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Accelerated to lead Ukraine to NATO Poroshenko promised Cameron

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Accelerated to lead Ukraine to NATO Poroshenko promised Cameron
Andrei Shevchenko, Petro Poroshenko, Vitali Klitschko, David Cameron, William Hague during a meeting on Downing Street. Reuters Photos


The attention of the European expert community on the problems of international relations was attracted by the publication in the latest issue of the generally well-informed French online publication “Courrier Diplomatique” (Diplomatic Courier). Under the title “Cameron’s Game,” former high-ranking French foreign minister Marc Levi, citing a confidential source surrounded by British Foreign Secretary Haig, reveals the essence of the talks behind closed doors that took place on March 26 in London. On this day, in Downing Street, Petro Poroshenko and Vitali Klitschko met with British Prime Minister David Cameron and Foreign Secretary William Hague.

According to Mr. Levy, the main purpose of the meeting for the British was to convince Klitschko not to participate in the presidential race and to support Poroshenko in the upcoming elections. Therefore, only these two politicians were invited for a confidential conversation with the British Prime Minister, who promised full support to Petro Poroshenko in the May 25 elections.

Poroshenko gave Cameron a firm guarantee in the event of a victory in the elections to immediately begin a fundamental rapprochement between Ukraine and NATO with the unconditional prospect of gaining membership in the North Atlantic alliance. All the more so in the unanimous opinion of Poroshenko and Cameron after the events in the Crimea for this there was a unique and extremely favorable opportunity.

According to the French diplomat, the meeting and this confidential agreement were personal initiative of Cameron, which was not coordinated with the White House.

Levi believes that there were three motives for such an initiative by the British prime minister:

The traditional confrontation between London and Moscow, which originated long before the Crimean War (1853-1856), was the culmination of this confrontation. And now London cannot forgive the fact that Moscow refused to extradite A. Lugovoi, accused by Scotland Yard of polonium poisoning with V. Litvinenko, a former FSB officer, etc.

Cameron took this initiative without consulting the White House, since there is an “Atlantic rivalry” between London and Washington. Cameron is "jealous" - he is oppressed by that second role in the dialogue with the Kremlin, which is now clearly taken by the White House to the owner of Downing Street. Pushing Kiev toward NATO, Cameron hopes, will make the puzzle of current US-Russian relations even more difficult to solve.

And finally, Cameron is experiencing a similar jealousy towards the unconditionally special relationship that exists between Merkel and Putin. The extremely negative reaction of Moscow to the turn of Kiev towards NATO will become the problem that will first of all be solved by Berlin as “looking” over the European Union and its relations with its neighbors.
The author of the article “Sourrier diplomatique” asks a reasonable question - what, however, was it necessary for Cameron to demand from Vitaly Klitschko the support of Petro Poroshenko if the latter is already the favorite of the presidential race?

According to Mr. Levy, Poroshenko’s possible victory in this case already in the first round will give him a very strong legitimacy, the right to speak as if on behalf of all Ukrainians. In this case, the breakthrough to NATO will not look like a gamble of the newly elected president, but as an expression of the will of the entire Ukrainian people.

Secondly, Levi believes, London has big doubts about the candidacy of the “Batkivshchyna” leader. "On the banks of the Thames, - writes the diplomat, - they know history Yulia Tymoshenko’s special relationship with the Kremlin (the result of which was the famous gas contract, etc.) - and they suspect that she may be a misguided Putin cossack who has repeatedly expressed dissatisfaction with the verdict issued by the ex-premier by the Ukrainian court. The current warlike rhetoric of Tymoshenko is just a smoke screen ... ”

Unfortunately, the author does not give an answer to the most interesting, perhaps the question: "And what was nevertheless promised by the West to Klitschko." After all, does not the same reward for such self-sacrifice guarantee the receipt of a troublesome position of the Kiev measure?
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde April 2 2014 07: 11
    +13
    Poroshenko gave Cameron a firm guarantee in the event of a victory in the elections to immediately begin a fundamental rapprochement between Ukraine and NATO with the unconditional prospect of gaining membership in the North Atlantic alliance.
    -----
    Pease - l, how can they enter NATO if they do not recognize Crimea? They will not take to NATO until territorial problems are settled! From that tie-eater and climbed into South Ossetia!
    1. Denis
      Denis April 2 2014 07: 20
      +37
      Here is our answer!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 2 2014 07: 39
        +2
        Quote: Denis
        Here is our answer!

        Why isn’t oland in the pool?
        1. Denis
          Denis April 2 2014 07: 42
          +3
          GDP will reach him laughing
        2. polite people
          polite people April 2 2014 07: 58
          +3
          He is cunning. He foresaw it.
          1. SHILO
            SHILO April 2 2014 08: 58
            +3
            This Levi, I look at that "ekspert" - jealous, insults, Crimean War of the Tsar of Peas. He did not have to write "Cameron's own game", but to watch Leontiev's serious work "The Big Game". By the way, I recommend - at the weekend I watched all eight episodes in one breath. A very serious and entertaining video - explains a lot from the current http://statehistory.ru/59/Bolshaya-igra/
        3. RUS96
          RUS96 April 2 2014 20: 25
          0
          Mistral builds)))
        4. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 April 2 2014 22: 32
          0
          Waiting for GDP to catch up more, I guess.
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 April 2 2014 07: 22
      +3
      The main thing is that people believe! smile
      1. afire
        afire April 2 2014 07: 53
        +6

        The House of Representatives of the US Congress adopted a package of economic assistance to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia. The bill was supported by 378 congressmen, against 34 were, ITAR-TASS reports.

        Photo: Igor Zarembo / RIA News www.ria.ru Sanctions of the European Union touched at least one Russian
        The document, which is now being sent for signature to US President Barack Obama, involves assistance to the Ukrainian government for one billion dollars in the form of loan guarantees, as well as visa and economic sanctions against Russian officials.

        Sanctions boil down to freezing assets under US jurisdiction and to refusing to issue US entry visas. Additionally, within the framework of the bill, it is planned to allocate $ 50 million to strengthen civil society in Ukraine and another hundred million dollars to expand security cooperation.


        Ancestors begin to work more actively in Ukraine. There was a need for countermeasures to deactivate their activities.
        1. thrower
          thrower April 2 2014 08: 01
          +5
          $ 1 billion assistance to the Ukrainian government in the form of loan guarantees


          This means that if someone gives Ukraine 1 billion, the United States will act as guarantors of this deal. Everyone remembers the price of guarantees when signing an agreement of February 21.
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      3. Aryan
        Aryan April 2 2014 07: 56
        +10
        The United States raised such a boil, as if it had been squeezed out of Crimea from him, and not from Ukraine ...
        A rare impudence, however! fool
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 2 2014 08: 19
          +7
          Quote: Aryan
          The United States raised such a boil, as if it had been squeezed out of Crimea from him, and not from Ukraine ...

          This is not the point here! They tried, prepared, MONEY invested in a big top, and at the exit they got that money was invested in the rejection of Crimea and the rise of patriotism in Russia! And friends are laughing!
          I think a lot of people who developed these plans and implemented them (for example, don’t you think that Vika herself went to distribute cookies?!), Now they rake the pretzels to the fullest, but were counting on big bonuses!
    3. polite people
      polite people April 2 2014 07: 57
      +2
      Well, they’ll take it.
      1. family tree
        family tree April 2 2014 09: 28
        +6
        Ukraine in NATO? Guys! It's just some kind of holiday! Do you see what they did with their sun? And what is the matter with the United States dry land? Taki, those were their own armed forces, but here NATO, well, it’s not at all a pity and such a vast fellow . Several years from NATO, only horns and legs, and those bitten laughing
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    5. petrT
      petrT April 2 2014 15: 31
      +1
      Yes, the flag is in their hands, here Scotland will move away from the Angles, and we’ll put something there, too, for fun! The main thing is to say about such intentions, and there the Angles themselves will give us everything we ask, if only we wouldn’t get into Scotland, yes and the Irish will be with both hands and feet!
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 2 2014 07: 14
    +6
    the "anti-Maidan" needs to hurry up, sweep these PAA zits from the body of Ukraine, otherwise the further, the more terrible, and the matter will end in a big war. where is the leader? who will lead the people ???
    1. domokl
      domokl April 2 2014 07: 27
      +9
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the "anti-Maidan" needs to hurry up, sweep these p.a.r.a. zits from the body of Ukraine

      Alas ... Information processing, the lack of alternative information channels, the dissemination of deliberately false information is doing its job. Ukrainians are sure that in the Crimea, for example, there is now a fascist dictatorship, that neo-Nazis are rampant in Russia, that Russia is sleeping and sees the destruction of all Ukrainians. ..not Russification, namely the destruction ... and add to this the permanent children of kindergarten age with posters-Russia is not an attack on us .. We want to live, which appear at intervals of 15-20 minutes ...
      Processing is professional and of high quality ... while we are losing ...
    2. polite people
      polite people April 2 2014 07: 59
      +1
      All leaders are quietly taken to the SBU.
  3. domokl
    domokl April 2 2014 07: 15
    +6
    everything is right ... It is urgent to solve the problem in the east ... The loss of the eastern regions for NATO will mean that all efforts to establish parity, or rather superiority over Russia, will go to hell ... Without missile defense in Kharkov, everything else makes no sense
    1. Name
      Name April 2 2014 07: 31
      +3
      hi All this will be decided after the "elections" in Ukraine,federalization of Ukraine and the West understands this and Lukashchenko (!?)(on which the Russian leadership focuses) will help both the Southeast and Russia.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 2 2014 07: 39
        +1
        Quote: name
        All this will be decided after the "elections" in Ukraine,

        Not sure they will take place lol
  4. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb April 2 2014 07: 16
    +10
    “But what was promised by West Klitschko.” After all, do not take the guarantee of obtaining the troublesome position of the Kiev measure as an award for such self-sacrifice?

    And Klitschko promised a new pear for the New Year.
    1. Ilja 22
      Ilja 22 April 2 2014 07: 26
      +3
      And a fixed armored helmet 60 kilogram))
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 April 2 2014 22: 36
        0
        Complete with the same underpants
    2. buzer
      buzer April 2 2014 07: 40
      +4
      Klitschko promised the Nobel boxing prize ...
    3. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 2 2014 07: 59
      0
      Marriage with Poroshenko
    4. sv68
      sv68 April 2 2014 09: 25
      +2
      and Klitschko promised not to hit on the head anymore, only in the balls laughing
  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 2 2014 07: 20
    +4
    Accelerated to lead Ukraine to NATO Poroshenko promised Cameron recourse I can imagine how this flock of sheep is driven all the way to a neighbor-baryge. as in the old saying: a goat jumped on a hearty feed, in the butcher’s edge ... wassat
  6. NIVH
    NIVH April 2 2014 07: 23
    +6
    Independent Ukraine is ready for anything. I won’t say it for the whole nation, but presidential candidates are competing among themselves - for whom else to lie!
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  8. konstantinus1770
    konstantinus1770 April 2 2014 07: 23
    +3
    they promise, if only they gave Babanov. Yes, the United States will not go to Kharkov.
  9. Strashila
    Strashila April 2 2014 07: 25
    +2
    The most interesting thing in the expansion of NATO was the intrigue ... and then what, like a magician, makes various passes with his hands distracting the audience ... makes a tragic and dramatic pause ... from where the Rabbit will come out ????
    In the past situation, a pause was held and the audience took away his magical chest from the magician, the idea was crumpled which Rabbit ... the chest is more important, and the Rabbit himself got out of his trouser leg and completely ruined everything ... killed the cattle all the intrigue.
  10. Sergg
    Sergg April 2 2014 07: 30
    +7
    Poroshenko gave Cameron a firm guarantee in the event of a victory in the elections to immediately begin a fundamental rapprochement between Ukraine and NATO with the unconditional prospect of gaining membership in the North Atlantic alliance.


    Empty chatter. Europe needs Ukraine only as cannon fodder, for this it will come down without membership in the alliance.
    Moreover, it is very likely that at least three regions Kharkov, Lugansk, and Donetsk will become part of Russia, since these are originally Russian lands illegally transferred to Ukraine during the revolution, now the USSR does not exist and everything needs to be returned. It is unlikely that the United States is ready for a large-scale war with Russia.
    1. thrower
      thrower April 2 2014 08: 05
      0
      Moreover, Ukraine is not needed at all in Europe.
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana April 2 2014 09: 29
      +1
      The West needs Ukraine as a vast training ground for the location of NATO bases on it with missiles aimed at Moscow and for the placement of nuclear waste near the borders with Russia.
  11. their
    their April 2 2014 07: 33
    +7
    Poroshenko can go bankrupt without buying Roshen chocolate factory products.

    Buy Roshen - support the expansion of NATO!
    1. drop
      drop April 2 2014 07: 51
      +6
      Very competent advice. Even in my time, when I worked in Moscow, the RSPP adopted an appeal to the Government of the country on the ban on the import of sugar and chocolate from Ukraine into Russia without duties. This must be done immediately. I have the honor.
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  12. waisson
    waisson April 2 2014 07: 35
    +7
    let Europe enter first
    1. waisson
      waisson April 2 2014 07: 36
      +9
      the window is open
  13. Bayonet
    Bayonet April 2 2014 07: 38
    +3
    And with what they will go to NATO - with a bare ass? Unless the territory under the base to provide.
    1. polite people
      polite people April 2 2014 08: 02
      +5
      That is enough.
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 2 2014 08: 29
        0
        Quote: polite people
        That is enough.

        Yes, not that enough!
        You also need to pay membership fees and participate in events (such as Syria, Afghanistan ...)
        I’ll love more money for a barrel!
        Well, yes, Ukraine has their own dox ... a lot!
        But now this is not the point! Either the Anglo-boys are kidding themselves over Poroshenko, or option 2!
        1) Select Crimea from Russia!
        2) rewrite the NATO charter for this situation!
        Which option are they ready to go? That is the question !!!
  14. Quantum
    Quantum April 2 2014 07: 38
    +4
    This is just a promise, and Cameron needs points, because ahead
    looming Scotland. Rooster, in a word!
  15. Grach710
    Grach710 April 2 2014 07: 44
    +3
    This is all English shits.
  16. Afinogen
    Afinogen April 2 2014 07: 45
    +3
    What is NATO? There, one of the requirements is the absence of territorial problems, so they will not be able to figure it out (either admit or conquer) with Crimea. Europe should not think about NATO, Where Europe will not take money for food, endlessly.
  17. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 2 2014 07: 48
    +3
    He also promised to restore the pavement on Grushchevskaya and the Dynamo stadium in one day. So again "dynamite")))
  18. bistrov.
    bistrov. April 2 2014 07: 55
    +4
    Let them live to see these elections. Otherwise, it may be necessary to choose the president of just one Galicia. Let her be taken to NATO.
  19. polite people
    polite people April 2 2014 08: 04
    +3
    Turchinov already openly says that he is not against the federalization of regions.
    Now they will give any promises, if only the elections are held.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 2 2014 08: 37
      +4
      Quote: polite people
      Now they will give any promises

      Somewhere I already heard it ..... and then we will hang it from here ?!
      If it comes to the elections, we should in no case agree with their results!
      Otherwise, we will tie our hands!
  20. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 2 2014 08: 13
    +4
    How long can you indulge in idle chatter? There are real economic levers against the Ukrainian oligarchs, it's time to cut off their oxygen. Let them devour their own candy of dubious quality and throw them out of Russian business! And then they limited themselves only to Kolomoisky's bank and then did not completely cut his roots. That again the fifth column in the leadership is sabotaging, it seems that we will not have our own payment system! The crow will not pick out the crow's eye. Let them continue to rob us, or wait When will we get tired of it? It will not seem so little to anyone! It's time to move on to real retaliatory measures! And there will be enough cases for traitors even in "places not so remote"!
  21. thrower
    thrower April 2 2014 08: 17
    +1
    We should also see Cameron’s meeting with Darth Vader, if he suddenly promises something better.
  22. loginovich
    loginovich April 2 2014 08: 23
    +3
    Another Moses, everyone leads somewhere. It ends up stuffing pockets, the population will cut back on improvements. On the contrary, look at the face of Malan.
  23. MAKSAK
    MAKSAK April 2 2014 08: 35
    +1
    It would be necessary to return Ukraine home! With a geyropa, she has no future, will be lost forever!
  24. Stinger
    Stinger April 2 2014 08: 36
    +4
    Where are we going with Piglet?
    Big, big secret.
    And we will not tell about him,
    Oh no and no and no.
  25. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 2 2014 08: 36
    +2
    Poroshenko gave Cameron a firm guarantee in the event of a victory in the elections to immediately begin a fundamental rapprochement between Ukraine and NATO with the unconditional prospect of gaining membership in the North Atlantic alliance.

    I did not understand something, but that Poroshenko is already the head of the alliance? !!!
    today, the entrance to the alliance is closed for "ukrov", it is necessary either to change the NATO laws or to recognize the legitimacy of the referendum in Crimea, well, apart from the fact that the same Germans are against Ukraine's joining the alliance
  26. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 2 2014 08: 46
    0
    Does he think that everyone in the alliance dreams of his chocolates? laughing
  27. 51064
    51064 April 2 2014 08: 54
    0
    Whoever doubts that there are those who want to drag Ukraine into NATO, we have been waiting for this for the first ten years.
  28. Thompson
    Thompson April 2 2014 09: 21
    +1
    Quote: avant-garde
    Poroshenko gave Cameron a firm guarantee in the event of a victory in the elections to immediately begin a fundamental rapprochement between Ukraine and NATO with the unconditional prospect of gaining membership in the North Atlantic alliance.
    -----
    Pease - l, how can they enter NATO if they do not recognize Crimea? They will not take to NATO until territorial problems are settled! From that tie-eater and climbed into South Ossetia!

    I’m starting to think that NATO wants to reconsider its views on the inclusion of new members in its ranks, they want to spit on the principle of problems with the territory ... It seems to me that they are going to BAD US, not recognizing either South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Crimea, EVERYTHING IS SAME TO ACCEPT AND GEORGIA AND UKRAINE! The goal is better in this form to clean up than to give Moscow in its entirety. It’s really painful for them strategically for them! It’s even scary to think what kind of politicians they have, who do not see beyond their nose and live one day!
  29. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 2 2014 09: 23
    +1
    Poroshenko and a nag on the eve of the elections decided to enlist foreign support .... give money for campaigning and then we will sell the whole Ukraine to you for a penny))))
  30. demon184
    demon184 April 2 2014 09: 25
    0
    A referendum does not require recognition, a referendum is the highest form of democracy. So that they can boldly join any d.
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  32. anfreezer
    anfreezer April 2 2014 09: 36
    +2
    "dmitriygorshkov If it comes to elections, we should in no way agree with their results!"That's right, under no sauce .. So that without anyone there from our side, "they say we don't like these people, but we will look for common ground in something" .. Ukrainian power is illegitimate according to the election results, period! Tymoshenko are now looking for "points of contact" with the West, they have complete freedom there regarding contact, who wants and with whom he wants .. wassat
  33. Leshka
    Leshka April 2 2014 10: 58
    +1
    the junta will burst with anger soon fellow
  34. Hope
    Hope April 2 2014 12: 03
    +1
    the meeting took place on Downing Street, what the talking name of the street ...
  35. Tektor
    Tektor April 2 2014 12: 39
    0
    So, there will be no elections, or Poroshenko will not live up to them ...
  36. razved
    razved April 2 2014 15: 35
    0
    It is believed that London was and is the player who stands behind Washington and whispers to him what to do. At the same time, the amers have the impression that they are the most important ...
  37. kelevra
    kelevra April 2 2014 18: 52
    0
    But who will take them to NATO! There are so many requirements that they will need 20 years to go to new standards and spend so much money that it is better to immediately abandon part of the territory, because there will be nothing to support the whole country!