The State Duma terminated the Russian-Ukrainian agreements on the Black Sea Fleet

The State Duma on Monday unanimously adopted a bill on the denunciation of Russian-Ukrainian agreements on the Black Sea the fleet. 443 deputies voted for with the required minimum of 226 votes; nobody voted against.

The relevant document was submitted by Russian President Vladimir Putin on March 28, he was supported by all parliamentary factions.

The law terminates the Russian-Ukrainian agreements on the parameters of the division of the Black Sea Fleet, on the status and conditions of the Black Sea Fleet in the territory of Ukraine. These documents were signed in Kiev on 28 May 1997. The intergovernmental agreement on mutual settlements related to the division of the Black Sea Fleet, also signed on May 28 of 1997, also terminates.

In addition, the State Duma denounced the agreement of 21 on April 2010, signed in Kharkov. According to the document, the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine after 2017 was extended by 25 years. In exchange for this, Kiev immediately received a gas discount in 100 dollars per thousand cubic meters, which was provided from the Russian budget.

As a result of the denunciation of this agreement, the price of gas for Ukraine from April may amount to $ 450-500 per 1 thousand cubic meters.

The explanatory note to the bill approved by the State Duma states that the subject of the Russian-Ukrainian agreements was lost as a result of the adoption of the Crimea and Sevastopol into Russia. The document refers to the articles 61 and 62 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of International Treaties 1969, according to which Russia has the right to terminate the relevant agreements.

Leonid Slutsky, head of the relevant committee for CIS affairs, Eurasian integration and relations with compatriots, presenting the committee’s position at the meeting, said: "From now on, the status and conditions of the Black Sea fleet in the city of Sevastopol will be regulated in the constitutional field of the Russian Federation."

He named historical The vote in the State Duma on the denunciation of Russian-Ukrainian agreements.

Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin, in turn, said that Russia would be ready to discuss with future legitimate authorities of Ukraine legal and financial issues that may arise after the denunciation of the agreements.

Comments

[avant-garde]

The noose around the neck of the H.H.L.O.H.

[platitsyn70]

they will buy gas at the market price, the freebie has ended; there is nothing to blackmail Russia; let the EU now blackmail with a pipe and see how they succeed.

[tronin.maxim]

Everything is back to square one.

[Russian]

Well, 450-500 dollars, you bent it! They increased it by only $ 100, to $ 385,5, although before the discount they were paying $ 400. So, as usual, we are all shy, and show signs of tolerance

http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1088572

[petrT]

they’ll have enough of this for their eyes, they will fall in love with Moscow, they will lie at the Gazprom’s feet, at first they scare, of course, but then they will lie. Here you just have to bash to the bash, didn’t pay for half a year, give the Kharkiv region, and so on further bye don't take it all

[Duelist]

Quote: avant-garde

The noose around the neck of the H.H.L.O.H.

It would be more accurate to say American puppets, neo-fascists, etc. We do not wish bad things to the people.
Money on the barrel! It's time to pay the bills!

[JoylyRoger]

And now it will truly be. It is high time)

[mamont5]

"Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin, in turn, said that Russia would be ready to discuss with the future legitimate authorities of Ukraine legal and financial issues that may arise after the agreements are denounced."
This is correct - "with the future legitimate authorities of Ukraine." There is nothing to talk about with the nonesh authorities.

[Keeper]

And for God's sake! The EU is generally reminiscent of a "girl with whims," ​​but gas will still be bought at the price Russia needs!
That would be bought for rubles - it would be generally super!

[Afinogen]

Quote: Keeper

That would be bought for rubles - it would be generally super!

That would be a blow to the Americans, otherwise they produce dollars in such quantities, we do not do so much toilet paper.

[svetlomor]

If Lenin’s decree on the creation of the Ukrainian SSR were canceled, the whole southeast could be legally demanded.

[parus2nik]

Russia will be ready to discuss with the future legitimate authorities of Ukraine the legal and financial issues that may arise after the denunciation of the agreements.
It’s interesting, but who will be legitimate with us .. I think no one who would not win the election ...

[JoylyRoger]

That is, if Yanukovych returns, brings about the appearance of order, and holds early elections. Which is basically impossible.

[Dragon-y]

Now you don't have to pay for Sevastopol, gas will go at a real price ... I wonder what is more - "pluses" or "minuses"? .. And for whom ...
I hope that "a completely different life" will begin in Crimea, as in one old advertisement. :)

[bubalik]

Dragon-y RU  Today, 08: 29

I wonder what is more - "pluses" or "minuses"?

,,, for ordinary citizens of Ukraine, and so everything is bad, from the phone conversation with a sign. prices have already increased by 4 times, goods from the Russian Federation are prohibited ,,, people on what and how to live in this troubled time ???

[johnsnz]

I went to read the Ukrainian press

[Dezinto]

Oh hold on. Me from their press or neighing pierces or angry fierce! )) But you can try to be neutral, it’s better to just laugh. But here Ukrainian forums, this is kapets !, one annoyance, from the dirty tricks that they give out from their fermented brains there !!! Every day the invaders sank the same thing to Putin, how could they get sick of it !!

[polite people]

I also tried to talk with them. It will not work - only zombies.

[Dezinto]

Yes, of course, there’s no reason to talk with the current authorities there. They are there, as a whole, have not yet got tired of driving tanks along the borders, choking in hysteria that they are threatened by bloodthirsty Russia. Not? Skating yet? damn, you would have pensioners and state employees and kids support their! No damn they have a terrible threat of their fucking nezalezhnosti threatens! It’s necessary to spend the last fuel! ))))

[Stanislas]

Quote: DEZINTO

They’re there, in general, aren’t tired of driving tanks along the borders yet

Have you seen dummies "traffic cop with a car" on the roads? Due to the shortage of fuels and lubricants, the same plywood "tanks", only tied to "tankers", run along the borders with the Russian Federation. Terror is catching up.

[KOH]

Benefit in action, it is for those who yelled whether it is profitable for us to take Crimea ...
And for me, what kind of benefit can I discuss when there are 2 million Russians, they constantly try out profitably, not profitably on RBC, hunting spit in the face with ... and ...

[VNP1958PVN]

Great Freebie End Day! Must be brought on holidays!

[kvnvolga2008]

The logical conclusion of the restoration of justice! And amerikosam-fak!

[Vityok]

Quote: bubalik

Dragon-y RU  Today, 08: 29

I wonder what is more - "pluses" or "minuses"?

,,, for ordinary citizens of Ukraine, and so everything is bad, from the phone conversation with a sign. prices have already increased by 4 times, goods from the Russian Federation are prohibited ,,, people on what and how to live in this troubled time ???

Take the pitchfork and go to Kiev!

[fly fishing]

We will be friends only with equal partners.
Long live independence!
The EU is waiting for you, welcome!
After a couple of years, please us with good news.

[KBPC50]

Quote: Duelist

Quote: avant-garde

The noose around the neck of the H.H.L.O.H.

It would be more accurate to say American puppets, neo-fascists, etc. We do not wish bad things to the people.
Money on the barrel! It's time to pay the bills!

Absolutely right! The people have nothing to do with it! And let the neo-fascists rejoice at their own stupidity and stupidity ...!

[KOSMOS]

Who would have said six months ago, would not have believed! But it happened! And it pleases!

[Humpty]

With gas, they seem to have solved the problem.

[bubalik]

Humpty (1) SU  Today, 09: 26


With gas, they seem to have solved the problem.

,,, and like that ,,,

[Vitaly Anisimov]

$ 100 million in annual savings for Russia (that's at least ..) So the screams "Stop feeding Crimea .." look ridiculous! Clear operation ..

[Giant thought]

The decision is right. Now I’ll dig deeper into Lenin’s decree on the formation of the Ukrainian SSR and you can find some kind of legal clue, invalidate the ruling and present a territorial claim to Ukraine, even then try to join NATO, having such a presentation on hand. Yes, and we will have an official reason to send troops to the south-east, only legally it is necessary to make sure that the mosquito does not undermine the nose.

[Aleksandr12]

Unfortunately, this will hit ordinary citizens. The juntas both stole and will steal. They will introduce some kind of law that they are not obliged to pay taxes, anyone pays utility bills, only those who do not hold power, and they wanted to spoil the rapid increase in prices, followed by impoverishment of the people.

[Cristall]

Quote: Alexander12

Unfortunately, this will hit ordinary citizens. The juntas both stole and will steal. They will introduce some kind of law that they are not obliged to pay taxes, anyone pays utility bills, only those who do not hold power, and they wanted to spoil the rapid increase in prices, followed by impoverishment of the people

yes, and here the joy of the Russians is incomprehensible. Everyone thinks that all the time with trade wars and other whips - they spoil Kiev .. yes he didn’t spit on it. And even more so ..
yes people will die. Or the hungry and the pauper will hysteria .. but hardly as needed .. as far as I know from hunger there are no right thoughts - if you are treated with the causes of hunger.
Although what is there to you ... you have euphoria. Crimea gave back no discounts, no blackmail. Have fun brave Russian ..
Now about my question about legal casuistry.
For multilateral treaties, the rules are established in Article 60, and a definition of a material breach of the contract is made which consists in such a waiver of the contract that is not provided for by the Convention or violates a provision that is essential for the implementation of the object and purpose of the contract.

Another ground for termination of the contract is the impossibility of its implementation, as defined in article 61.

Article 62 lays down the rules applicable in the event of a radical change in circumstances (the so-called “Rebus sic stantibus” principle). The state has the right to invoke a fundamental change in circumstances if such circumstances constituted an essential basis of the state’s consent to be bound by the contract or if the consequences of the change of circumstances radically change the scope of obligations still to be fulfilled under the contract.

A radical change in circumstances cannot be invoked in relation to agreements establishing a border, and if a radical change in circumstances was the result of a violation by this party of an obligation under this or that agreement [19].

The contract is also terminated due to the emergence of a new peremptory norm of international law, which it contradicts.
I will say that KIEV is legitimate or not SHOULD NOT sign anything now. And he will be right.
An illegal referendum not supported by the international community, which is legally the argument for ending it, does not work in the international arena.
Something like this
If I were in the place of the dolls, I would gather lawyers. Here they have enough expanse for work. Yes, and consulted.
However strange the legal field, Kiev can and must win.
No wonder the end says - Moscow is ready to discuss - for the final win - you need to make KIEv sign a new one. And if the new one does not sign?

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Cristall

And if the new one does not sign?

Just here and do not care. Sign, not sign ... And who are the signatories? A bunch of freaks that give weapons to crime?

[Curculum]

Quote: Cristall

An illegal referendum not supported by the international community, which is legally the argument for ending it, does not work in the international arena.

Incidentally, not the words of a student-dvoechnika law faculty ukro-high school?

[Baboon]

I have no joy, no gloating, I am neutral, and not only me. Well, a breach of obligations, in principle, can be found, only they will have to sue, and nobody needs it. It seems to me, most likely, the refusal of a discount is justified just like that, and this is said in the load for the big picture, such as a politician.

[anfil]

The basis for termination of the contract or suspension of its validity in whole or in part is its substantial violation by another participant (for a bilateral agreement). For multilateral agreements, the rules are established in Article 60, and a definition of a material breach of the contract is made which consists in such a waiver of the contract that is not provided for by the Convention or violates a provision that is essential for the implementation of the object and purpose of the contract.
"In accordance with the current gas supply contract, its price for Ukraine will be $ 385,5 in the second quarter. The December discount on gas can no longer be applied. This is predetermined and follows from the non-fulfillment by the Ukrainian side of obligations to repay the debt for gas supplies in 2013, the absence of one hundred percent payment for current supplies and, accordingly, an increase in debt for the supplied gas. The amount of debt for today is $ 1,711 billion, "- said the head of Gazprom.

[Lynn]

Well sho? The State Duma can stop anything. In Ukraine, just neighing and all. The contract is bilateral.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Lyynn

Well sho? The State Duma can stop anything. In Ukraine, just neighing and all. The contract is bilateral.

Yes, funny, of course ...
laugh on.

[Aleksandr12]

As the bill for utility bills for April passes, just laugh and stay.

[biglow]

Quote: Lyynn

Well sho? The State Duma can stop anything. In Ukraine, just neighing and all. The contract is bilateral.

the subject of the contract has been lost ... Ukraine has no more Crimea and that’s all, for now

[Al_lexx]

That's okay. 20 years have been waiting ...

[anfil]

Quote: Alexander12

Unfortunately, this will hit ordinary citizens. The juntas both stole and will steal. They will introduce some kind of law that they are not obliged to pay taxes, anyone pays utility bills, only those who do not hold power, and they wanted to spoil the rapid increase in prices, followed by impoverishment of the people.

In the city of Lugansk, the population pays for 1000 m3 gas 2335rub. This price applies to the 2500m3 rate per year, anything higher is more expensive. I in Volgograd pay for 1000 m3 - 4082,50 rub.
Even if the population is raised by 50%, the price for 1000 and M3 will still be lower than what I’m paying now, but we again expect an increase from July 1. And if you are also charged with the norm, then the payment will increase significantly. Over the 2013 year, 2660 m3 gas was consumed.
True, their salary is many times less.

[Lynn]

[quote = anfil] [quote = Alexander12]
True, their salary is many times less. [/ Quote]

We found something to brag about. Throw away the oil and gas component from your salaries, get the usual Moldovan salary.

[JIaIIoTb]

We are the fifth economy of the world. What kind of person are you?

[Curculum]

Quote: Lyynn

Throw away the oil and gas component from your salaries

Powerful! And if an individual works in the production of contraceptives, what component should he throw back from his salary?

[Fitter65]

Quote: Lyynn

We found something to brag about. Throw away the oil and gas component from your salaries, get the usual Moldovan salary.

But why throw away what is, that's when it will not be then and we will throw it back. And while she ate, she will eat and will eat. But you all wait and wait when it will be worse in Russia than yours. Nu-nu.

[johnsnz]

Miller announced 385,5 since April 1

[Lynn]

Nothing, we’ll reconsider. Ordinary Ukrainians are not the first to experience the oppression of the Russians.

[Curculum]

Quote: Lyynn

Ordinary Ukrainians are not the first to experience the oppression of the Russians.

And when was the first time? (pure neighing).

[Lynn]

The one who laughs is the last one who laughs. We have not even smiled.

[Curculum]

Quote: Lyynn

The one who laughs is the last one who laughs. We have not even smiled.

And when did you laugh last and smile?

[Lynn]

The one who laughs is the last one who laughs. We have not even smiled.

[Siberia 9444]

The EU and the USA WILL HELP YOU TO BE ABLE! Rich will be so the price is just ridiculous for you!

[Baboon]

What harassment? What do we want to switch to market prices? Without any preferences as before? Seriously, Russia just collapses this shop, world prices.

[JIaIIoTb]

Heh. We have not oppressed yet. Apart from subsidizing Ukraine over the past 20 years, oppression

[anfil]

[quote = Cristall] [quote = Alexander12]
[i] For multilateral treaties, the rules are established in Article 60, and a definition of a material breach of the contract is defined which consists in such a waiver of the contract that is not provided for by the Convention or violates a provision that is essential for the implementation of the object and purpose of the contract.

The grounds for termination of the contract or suspension of its validity in whole or in part it is a material violation of another party (for a bilateral agreement). For multilateral of contracts, the rules are established in Article 60, and the definition of a material breach of the contract is given, which consists in such a waiver of the contract that is not provided for by the Convention or violates a provision that is essential for the implementation of the object and purpose of the contract.
Does Ukraine and Gazprom have a multilateral agreement ?!
And while working not in the oil and gas industry, I didn’t notice that my salary was multiplied by some kind of oil and gas ratio

[Lynn]

Quote: JIaIIoTb

We are the fifth economy of the world. What kind of person are you?

Not you". And your billionaires. And you, this is a kirzachi, a pick and a quilted jacket.

.

[Curculum]

Quote: Lyynn

And ordinary people live at the level of Mongolia

Some data: the real GDP growth of Mongolia in 2011 amounted to 17,3%, and the nominal - 27,8%. Mongolia ranks 2nd in the world for the production of cashmere wool. GDP at purchasing power parity totaled $ 15,746 billion in 2012. In 2012, experts noted the special interest of investors in the territories of Mongolia, since 70% of the land of this country has not yet been studied by geologists.
Since 2009, Electrotransport has been producing JEA800-E duobuses designed by Mongolian designers. Cars are exported to Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. Orders for this vehicle also came from the Czech Republic, Uzbekistan and several Asian countries.
The production of trams on rubber wheels by 2018 plans to launch the Mongolian company Electrotransport. A new type of public transport will be called the “BRT System”. Such a road train can carry from 300 to 450 passengers in one trip. It is planned to allocate 212 million dollars for the production of a new type of passenger transport, which the Asian Development Bank is ready to provide.
And you?

[JIaIIoTb]

Dressed in a padded jacket and kirzachi, waving a Kyle every day, I change my car every year
I live well and I wish you.

[Galich Kos]

Piglets on the Maidan have not grown yet? Pricing is not the time

[Dezinto]

Ukrainians lose not only land and contract but also the brains of logic and their last friend.

[Cristall]

Quote: DEZINTO

Ukrainians lose not only land and contract but also the brains of logic and their last friend.

Sorry - but nobody really explained to me at all. Cons gladly set neighing again, lamented that they say you lose a friend (well, while a friend took advantage of it, he squeezed out the desired piece and now presses it because of this - it's the media version and you will confirm it with your actions)
I ask you to explain the situation legally and not de facto "my gas" "not your Crimea" - pay the money, the vile coward
How can one be forced to pay gas - if Kiev did not sign the termination once, legally Crimea is Ukraine. It doesn’t matter physically, because international treaties take into account the international legal background.
I’m not a lawyer, but I ask you to explain how you intend to demand more from Kiev in general? This is a new contract. Who will sign it?
Not well, I understand everything can be - to say that the price is higher and all. But how to justify for the court?
And guys - I ask you to explain, you generously minus - and at the same time you offend all Ukrainians who disagree with you in one way or another. And they slapped me only for the question and logic. And also think of yourself as "friends" and complain about losing a friend.
In general, I really have a terrible logic comes from your comments.
Prior to this, I supported the decision on the return of Crimea, I was glad that our military did not shoot peacefully and so on. Yes, the fleet is tough - to return.
Now I hear a completely different thing - Pay! Fascists pay ... I'm sorry, we gave it back, we pay fascists (Well, you Kiev think that he will pay and not Ukrainians and think that we are all fascists)
You yourself are turning consciousness. You make us believe that we bloodlessly agreed precisely for you to despise us now, demand a contribution, etc.
I do not see the answer on these questions. Euphoria.
Threat-I'm sorry those who really adequately perceived the price increase that they will fall precisely on the people, and not on overseas power. You are few, but still you are.
The rest do not know what they are doing, much less write.

[JIaIIoTb]

You go to Svidomo forums understand our reaction.

[Baboon]

It’s not worth adopting bad examples, after all, a person is extremely loyal to Russia, therefore he went to our forum, not Svidomo.

[Baboon]

Well, do not worry, I put you a plus. Well, I read the contract, in the evening I’ll answer a thread. So yours also had a lot of maidan intoxication, the same euphoria.

[Lars_xiii]

Now we are talking about canceling the discounts provided, if I am not mistaken, in December last year. One of the conditions for providing the discount was timely payment, which is not observed now, respectively, there is a significant violation of the contract and the discount is canceled. No one needs to sign anything, the agreement remains old and nothing to do with Crimea.

[Curculum]

Quote: Cristall

if Kiev did not sign the termination once, legally Crimea is Ukraine.

There is such a term "force majeure", regulated by the ICC ("International Chamber of Commerce") edition # 650, Paris, France. The inclusion of such a clause in any international treaty is practically mandatory (with the sane mind of the signatories). Much has been written about this, it is not difficult to find.
In the event of force majeure events, one of the parties has the right to withdraw from the terms of the contract unilaterally. In our case, such events occurred and were followed by jur. termination procedures. In short, that's it. The rest - let the state men understand.

Quote: Cristall

Now I hear a completely different thing - Pay! Fascists pay ... I'm sorry, we gave it back, we pay fascists (Well, you Kiev think that he will pay and not Ukrainians and think that we are all fascists)

I will not speak for everyone, personally for myself: I think power fascist, but not a population within the borders of modern Ukraine. That is the whole point.

Quote: Cristall

You yourself are turning consciousness.

And how will our consciousness be at rest with inadequate shouts and statements (and sometimes during actions) such as "mosk @ liv that zhiv - to knives", etc.?

[mamont5]

"As a result of the denunciation of this agreement, the price of gas for Ukraine from April may reach $ 450-500 per 1 cubic meters."

We regretted Ukraine. So they did not pick up the price.
"" In accordance with the current gas supply contract, its price for Ukraine in the second quarter will amount to $ 385,5. The "December" gas discount can no longer be applied. This is predetermined and follows from the failure of the Ukrainian side to fulfill its obligations to repay the debt for gas supplies in 2013 and the absence of 100% payment for current supplies, and, accordingly, an increase in debt for the supplied gas. The amount of debt as of today is $ 1,711 billion, "Miller told reporters."
http://ria.ru/economy/20140401/1002043042.html

[Lynn]

Quote: mamont5

"As a result of the denunciation of this agreement, the price of gas for Ukraine from April may reach $ 450-500 per 1 cubic meters."

We regretted Ukraine. So they did not pick up the price.

No, they just understand the whole nonsense of the so-called denunciations.

[kopar]

Quote: Lyynn

No, they just understand the whole nonsense of the so-called denunciations

This is not nonsense. These are economic sanctions. The West clearly distributes where friendship ends and where money begins. Their "economic sanctions" towards Russia were clearly shown on whose side they are. You are a bargaining chip for them ....

[LIS 25]

Well, right, from a legal point of view, these contracts are not needed. and de facto too.

[Cristall]

It is too early to draw conclusions. Make Kiev pay. Make all the people understand what you are doing.
But the main thing ... if we broadcast the comments of such topics for Ukrainians, this would be a hard blow from the side where they thought that there was support. I mean loyal.
Threat Trade wars, we have already passed ... the best anti-advertising TC.
It will be bad for the general idea to put pressure on the population of Ukraine in general - making it an enemy not only on TV screens but also economically. And psychologically. Now every Ukrainian will understand that he gave Crimea in vain.

[kopar]

As far as I can judge by my friends, most of us don't give a damn about Ukrainians. You chose this power for yourself, "Maidanis" themselves. Why should we take less money from you than from the European consumer? .... Prices for customs duties will rise and that's it, it will be more profitable for us to trade with Asia ....
And your phrase "every Ukrainian will understand that he gave Crimea in vain" ... Don't be cunning. You understand perfectly well that it was not you who gave us Crimea, it was we who HAVE TAKEN it. The right of the strongest ...

[Curculum]

Quote: copar

Do not dissemble. You perfectly understand that it was not you who gave us the Crimea, it was we who took it. The right of the strongest .....

I allow myself to disagree: the Russian Federation only ensured the free expression of the will of the Crimean population, practically without a single shot, which turned out to be enough for Crimea to become part of the Russian Federation. Nobody took anything from anyone, nobody gave anything to anyone - the people themselves decided where and with whom it is more comfortable for them to coexist.

[Galich Kos]

Quote: Cristall

Now every Ukrainian will understand that he gave Crimea in vain.

For that matter, let every Ukrainian remember how Crimea became part of Ukraine! Whatever they say, but in the Crimean question the truth is on the side of Russia!

[Baboon]

In general, you are on an economic site, at least RBC. There are no economists with lawyers sitting. It is clear to you that the media will quickly explain where is good and where is bad. Russia, too, climbed out of everything, the IMF also came, God forbid once again to see these swaggering, arrogant faces that come with checks before each tranche. Who then thought about people?
And how in Russia for 23 years they thought that they had given Crimea in vain, can you imagine?
http://top.rbc.ru/economics/01/04/2014/914764.shtml

[Standard Oil]

Finally, Crimea was found.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Lyynn

The one who laughs is the last one who laughs. We have not even smiled.

When they say then, wake up to smile, but for now you have to jump (by the way, those who shouted into the microphone: "Who does not jump ..." never jumped ...) And when you gallop, you may understand what kind of nonsense your state is. As far back as I can remember, you cried, they say, if it weren't for Russia, we would have lived the best. From 91 on our own and again we are to blame, then the gas is expensive, then the cows don't rush, the pigs don't calve, then the chickens don't moo Russia did not separate correctly, it left all of Siberia with oil, gas and other resources. So how much you don’t let you, all the same, except how to pollute the territory, you don’t know how to do anything else, the Maidan is an excellent indicator. If the Russians work in Ukraine, then they don’t when they go to shit in the capital, since they need to feed their family and the country. But true "Ukrainians" are ready to do anything, just not to do anything, but they are the first to run away to devour. .os.s.k.a. or independence is stifling ". These parasites got it.
They shouted: "We will live more beautifully. We have a mustache, even worms in pope" - and in fact, even worms and those pros.rali. Therefore, when Russia tells you to go in the direction of writing, then you go and do not snap. ..

[Siberia 9444]

Now, every Ukrainian will understand that he gave Crimea in vain. And only the residents of Crimea were asked for nothing, and it was ridiculous to give Crimea in vain! After all, EUROPE will help you abroad !!!!!!!!!!! AND YOU A LIGHT FUTURE .

[Nonik]

Quote: Lyynn

We found something to brag about. Throw away the oil and gas component from your salaries, get the usual Moldovan salary.

And I work in a holding company that is engaged in the construction of modern plants completely from scratch. A brick factory was built (which is recognized as one of the best in Russia, if not the best), a cement factory is being built (approximately 80% is ready). The oil and gas component is zero.

Quote: Cristall

It will be bad for the general idea to put pressure on the population of Ukraine in general - making it an enemy not only on TV screens but also economically. And psychologically.

Of course, Mos / Kali is again to blame. Or maybe the leadership of Ukraine after all? In Ukraine, the leadership is stupid as usual (it is not capable of doing anything smart by definition) and refuses to cooperate with Russia http://warfiles.ru/show-51404-chtoby-nasolit-moskve-v-kieve-reshili-ugrobit-svoy
u-military-promyshlennost.html
Chops the branch on which it sits. And what do they care about the people? Yes, no. Well, do you like your government?

[jayich]

[quote = Cristall] [quote = DEZINTO] Ukrainians lose not only the land and the contract but also the brains of logic and the last friend. [/ quote]
Sorry - but nobody really explained to me at all. Cons gladly set neighing again, lamented that they say you lose a friend (well, while a friend took advantage of it, he squeezed out the desired piece and now presses it because of this - it's the media version and you will confirm it with your actions)
I ask you to explain the situation legally and not de facto "my gas" "not your Crimea" - pay the money, the vile coward
How can one be forced to pay gas - if Kiev did not sign the termination once, legally Crimea is Ukraine. It doesn’t matter physically, because international treaties take into account the international legal background.
I’m not a lawyer, but I ask you to explain how you intend to demand more from Kiev in general? This is a new contract. Who will sign it?
Not well, I understand everything can be - to say that the price is higher and all. But how to justify for the court?
And guys - I ask you to explain, you generously minus - and at the same time you offend all Ukrainians who disagree with you in one way or another. And they slapped me only for the question and logic. And also think of yourself as "friends" and complain about losing a friend.
In general, I really have a terrible logic comes from your comments.
Prior to this, I supported the decision on the return of Crimea, I was glad that our military did not shoot peacefully and so on. Yes, the fleet is tough - to return.
Now I hear a completely different thing - Pay! Fascists pay ... I'm sorry, we gave it back, we pay fascists (Well, you Kiev think that he will pay and not Ukrainians and think that we are all fascists)
You yourself are turning consciousness. You make us believe that we bloodlessly agreed precisely for you to despise us now, demand a contribution, etc.
I do not see the answer on these questions. Euphoria.
Threat-I'm sorry those who really adequately perceived the price increase that they will fall precisely on the people, and not on overseas power. You are few, but still you are.
Yes, understand on what basis should we give a discount on gas? Here you have independence, rejoice. Do not want to pay at the price at which they give up, use firewood. But citizens need to pull themselves together to throw off your freaks and welcome to our home in Russia and we will not need any discounts or agreements, we will live in a large and friendly country. The Soviet people built both your and our factories, infrastructure, and there was no division between it and Ukrainians were a citizen of the USSR. Look at least at Belarusians and take an example from them how to build a market, and not beat with a heel in the chest on what basis should they sign? The question is essentially correct, they do not have the right to sign any documents, or can they say that there were legitimate elections of the government, are you tired of whining yet, that Russia is to blame for everything?

[Nonik]

Quote: Cristall

It is too early to draw conclusions. Make Kiev pay. Make the whole people understand what you are doing. But the main thing ... if we broadcast the comments of such topics for the Ukrainians, this would be a hard blow from the side where they thought there was support. I mean, still loyal.

But this is already amusing. You constantly spit in the direction of Russia. Constantly making yourself worse. And then you still constantly require help, naturally free? Are you out of your mind? If you constantly spit in the hands of the giver - do you think patience is endless? Now you want to bury your plants in spite of Russia. Only now did not take into account a small nuance. In Russia, this will create only TEMPORARY difficulties. And to you - this is forever. That’s it, the end. In Europe, they are not waiting for you, for nafig you surrendered to someone. Trying to turn away from Russia - proudly do not give a damn to the giver. And then you need help and understanding?
I was able to prove it seems to only one Ukrainian that they have big problems and everything from your stupid, stupid policy. The rest are still impenetrable. Yes, Mos / Kali is to blame for everything, absolutely everything. Dot.

Quote: jayich

Yes, understand on what basis should we give a discount on gas? Here you have independence, rejoice. Do not want to pay at the price at which they give up, use firewood. And citizens need to pull themselves together to throw off your freaks and welcome to our home in Russia and we will not need any discounts or agreements, we will live in a large and friendly country

It's too difficult for now. Crimea must be "digested" first. So far, this will not bring this strain to the Russian economy, since funding comes from the reserve fund. But with other territories of the southeast - not so rosy. Although there are strong enterprises, feeding on contracts with Russia (although some have already been suspended due to the blunt policy of the current government of Ukraine's blunt).
It should be thrown off, this is the government. Choose the same Darth Vader with Tsarev. These are almost the only normal comrades. Even Darth Vader is more attractive than the current government, think about what you've come to ...

[Vtel]

Everything is not clear here, of course, normal people on the outskirts are not to blame, they are creating banderlogs, but they have a common gas pipeline for everyone. The only way out is as the eastern regions will become federal republics and turn off the tap in the direction of Bandera, then you can reduce the price of gas fraternally.

[kelevra]

And now, comrade revolutionaries, live without our subsidies!

[Nonik]

Quote: Vtel

but their gas line is common to all.

For a long time it will not work to blackmail. They will finish building the South Stream, and they will reach the pipe to China, if they have not yet reached it (did not follow this). Ukraine needs to tune in not to confrontation, but to cooperation. It’s time, before it’s too late. If Russia completely rebuilds its work from domestic components, many enterprises in Ukraine will come to an end. I personally do not want this. And you, Ukrainians?