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There are dual citizenship - write letters

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There are dual citizenship - write lettersNone of the Russian citizens is prohibited to have a second citizenship (citizenship). This fact is stated in the article 62 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Here, in fact, is the material from the mentioned article:


1. A citizen of the Russian Federation may have citizenship of a foreign state (dual citizenship) in accordance with federal law or an international treaty of the Russian Federation.

2. Having a citizen of a Russian citizen of a foreign state does not detract from his rights and freedoms and does not exempt from obligations arising from Russian citizenship, unless otherwise provided by federal law or an international treaty of the Russian Federation.


Some time ago, Russian lawmakers decided to oblige individuals who receive dual citizenship (citizenship or citizenship of a foreign state while retaining Russian citizenship) to notify the special state authorities. Initially, this initiative was voiced during the conversation of President Vladimir Putin with senators, during which the head of the Committee on Legislation of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, Andrei Klishas, ​​made a proposal specifically for individuals with dual citizenship to tell about their second citizenship to the state. Vladimir Putin, after the statement by Andrei Klishas, ​​noted that it is worthwhile to work on this initiative, but without excesses, adding:

... should know who lives in Russia and what they do.


The other day with the same initiative, a deputy from the LDPR faction in the lower house Andrei Lugovoi. He carried out work on the preparation of the bill, which, apparently, in the near future should go through hearings in the State Duma. The draft law is reduced to the introduction, no less and less, of criminal liability for concealing the fact of dual citizenship for citizens of the Russian Federation. The bill, according to the idea of ​​the deputy from the LDPR, should work as follows:

a citizen of Russia, having received a passport of a foreign state (with the preservation of a Russian passport), must within a month from this moment inform in writing “the relevant territorial authorities” (as an example, the FMS of the region is given). If a citizen already had dual citizenship before signing the relevant law (let us call the bill a Klishas-Lugovoi bill), then he (the citizen) will be obliged to notify in writing all the same Federal Migration Service (its regional administration) within three months after the law enters into force. ). If no notification is received from citizens with dual citizenship before the expiration of the said deadlines, the responsibility will be as follows: fine in the amount of 200 thousand rubles, or fine in the amount of earnings received up to one year, or mandatory work for up to 400 hours. Such excerpts from the bill represents Kommersant.


Before proceeding to the consideration of the initiative of Russian lawmakers, it is necessary to bring some clarity to the concept of “dual citizenship” and “two citizenships”. And these are different things. If a citizen of a foreign state giving the right to two citizenship has a passport and a citizen of this country, and a passport of a Russian citizen, then when moving to the territory of Russia such a citizen turns into a citizen of Russia only.

In other words, if he in the Russian Federation, for example, violated the law, then he no longer has the right to use the help of the consular service of the country whose citizenship “in reserve” he has (dual citizenship gives this right). The only legal status of such a person in a sounded situation is the status of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

Such rules are also mentioned in the 6 article of the Law on Citizenship. The same article makes some exceptions in those cases that are separately stated in international treaties signed by Russia. Another thing is that in respect of far from all countries of the world, Russia recognizes dual citizenship. In a number of cases, the Russian Federation defines dual citizenship simply as a “citizen of Russia”, not paying attention to having a second passport. Because of these subtleties, it became necessary to introduce a full-fledged civil accounting.

As soon as the “masses” left the first words of the lawmakers about the need to notify the FMS about the dual citizenship of the Russians who have such citizenship, immediately representatives of the hyper-liberal community, as if on cue, scored their alarm: “Guard! Parliamentarians deprive Russians of the right to have a couple of passports! This is arbitrariness! This is a violation of human rights! This is the middle ages!

Whether the gentlemen, who think in this way, did not deign to get acquainted with the bill, or familiarity with the document for them is altogether superfluous, but the fact remains that there are a lot of shouts, there is much less sober reflection ...

In fact, the presented bill is not something out of the ordinary. What, in fact, is so terrible, if a person is obliged to inform about his dual citizenship. There is more than enough time for such a message. All the work fits into the following algorithm: type text with passport data, print it out in several copies, send one copy to the post (you can electronically send it to e-mail) of the Federal Migration Service for the region, make sure that the letter is registered - that's all.

If this is a violation of human rights, how does such a “violation” differ from the need to pay taxes or declare movable and immovable property? How does it differ from entering data about children (both born and adopted) into a citizen passport? Is the initiative to inevitably deprive a person of dual citizenship? Is it to oblige him to leave only a Russian passport? No, of course. The whole initiative is quite a common practice, in which population and its, let's say, state affiliation are recorded. If a person persistently tries to conceal the fact that he has dual citizenship - so this is no accident ...

At the same time, one should not forget that dual (second) citizenship today is not provided for state officials, military personnel, and law enforcement officers. This is a peculiar form of nationalization of the Russian power elite. But a person with dual citizenship today and so perfectly aware that he did not become a minister, deputy or head of the regional administration. There are, however, those who do not understand this fact. And yet there hasn’t been any effective method for bringing such “non-understanding” gentlemen to clean water until now. The only thing that threatened them for concealment was dismissal from the government post. After the approval of the new law may appear at least some tool. Of course, 200 thousand rubles a fine for such persons - zilch, but still a precedent, at least informational, will, and therefore, those who want to "persist in not understanding" will obviously be less.

How does the new bill threaten ordinary Russians (who do not claim gubernatorial, ministerial, and other powerful posts) who have dual citizenship (and there are quite a few such people in Russia and abroad)? Yes, nothing threatens. How does it hit their wallet? It does not hit, since they are not deprived of any of the rights of a citizen of the Russian Federation on the basis of paragraph 2 of article 62. No one is going to cut salaries, pensions, scholarships, other cash payments due to the citizen.

As already mentioned, the main goal of the law is to create an information field, which will be primarily aimed at the nationalization of elites. In addition, the law with the rational performance is able to form a high-quality information segment concerning the civil field. Indeed, today not a single controlling authority is able to say exactly how many Russians with dual (second) citizenship live in the territory of the Russian Federation, which even at the theoretical level allows people with two passports to participate in the management of both regions and the country generally. And in today's times this state of affairs is quite capable of striking, if not for the national security of the country as a whole, then for the interests of a single region for sure. From the latest precedents: Vitaly Malkin - ex-senator from Buryatia. He received the prefix "ex" after it became known that Malkin also had Israeli citizenship in addition to his Russian citizenship. Whose interests Vitaly Borisovich defended in the upper chamber more actively - the Buryat or Israeli - the question ... It is to ensure that there are no such questions in the air that the draft law on notification of dual citizenship appears on the agenda. Why today? So circumstances ... As an option, they appear precisely because in the future, foreign influence forces could not crush Russia through those who possess several passports and closely link their activities with the economy or politics.

This is a kind of continuation of the law on “foreign agents”, but already in the form “for individuals”. If a person does not intend to use his dual citizenship for certain dubious (including selfish) purposes, then notifying the FMS about the existence of two passports for such a person will definitely not become something deadly. Well, and if a person suddenly raises the uproar, then why would it ... What kind of rights do he have, sorry, pinched? ..

By the way, how are things in other countries with dual citizenship? Half the world is not nearly as democratic as the Russian Federation. Dual citizenship at the legislative level (with the exception of some special cases) cannot be obtained in such countries as China, India, Chile, Norway, Indonesia, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Denmark, Egypt, Japan, Ukraine and a number of others.

But in the United States, dual citizenship is not prohibited by law, but for a person who has dual citizenship, there is an interesting practice. Even if this person lives on a permanent basis in another country, he will pay taxes to the American treasury (in fact, double taxation. As they say, a complete triumph of democracy and justice: if you want a second passport in the form of an American - for God's sake, but also taxes “Second homeland” kindly send it off regularly ...

So, the Klishas-Lugovoy initiative in comparison with examples from world practice is the top of humanism ... Write a letter to the FMSA and walk even with all your passports in your pockets, breathing deeply in the air. It's a pity to spend the envelope - lay out 200 thousand rubles ... What problems? .. That's just if there are any difficulties in identifying those who do not want to write letters, and it will begin to swear that he has one passport, but in fact the second "passport" is in caches just in case of fire? There is no need to do without international contacts at the diplomatic level to obtain relevant information.
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  1. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 1 2014 08: 40
    +40
    Penultimate paragraph of interest. If a person lives in Russia, but also has American citizenship, then does he pay taxes to America, and not at the place of residence? Are we playing democracy?
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 1 2014 08: 52
      +33
      Let them pay taxes wherever they want, only let us pay first! And prohibit getting into politics! For it’s not bad, first, when you get an American passport, you defend the interests of the United States, and then they depict law enforcement officers !!!!
      1. domokl
        domokl April 1 2014 09: 02
        +39
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        Let them pay taxes wherever they want, only at first let them pay! And prohibit getting into politics!

        well, no ... Of course, taxes are a necessary thing and so on. But it is not clear to me if you are a citizen of several countries, then who are you? Where is your Homeland? What will you protect in the war? What will your children be like?
        We have such an interesting practice, to give birth abroad, so that the child has some kind of American or French citizenship there. Well, excuse me for harshness, who did you give birth to? Russian or American?
        I think that the institute of dual citizenship should be canceled. Close a loophole. I’m so taut, but I’ll become stupid there. I’ll just take another passport. No, gentlemen, citizens of the world, you are either citizens or the world ... It's time to decide.
        1. elmi
          elmi April 1 2014 10: 03
          +11
          A citizen has one homeland, nothing should be double, he cannot have a second mother, his father means a second homeland. I don’t have any double standards, opportunists — where I live, I live there. Moreover, I think that they should work in their homeland and have nothing to go abroad to earn money, also applies to athletes, playing there means forgetting about the national team. The state spent money on education, and he rose so quickly abroad, of course, it’s profitable for Western countries to give citizenship to good specialists, because you don’t have to spend millions on training. When a person faces a choice: either you are a citizen of your country or foreign citizenship, but then he’s the citizenship of Russia and a ban on entry are forever sought. It’s stern, but fair, because the opportunists got it looking for where to live better, they want to eat fish and *** to sit. In which material goods are superior to spiritual principles.
          1. atalef
            atalef April 1 2014 13: 21
            +9
            Quote: elmi
            A citizen has one homeland, nothing should be double

            homeland and citizenship are not completely related things. A Russian born abroad can feel Russia as his homeland and vice versa.
            Homeland is in the soul. Citizenship is just a piece of paper. Citizenship can be deprived, homeland never
            1. domokl
              domokl April 1 2014 13: 35
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              Homeland is in the soul. Citizenship is just a piece of paper.

              Well, yes, yes ... It’s stupid to argue on this issue ... Everyone chooses for himself. But if you follow your logic, then a person who has changed citizenship has also changed his soul ... And as for just a piece of paper ... Again, who cares. ..For one, the combat banner of a part is the honor and pride for which life is laid, for another, a piece of rag on a stick ...
              Once I would agree with you ... We saw a descendant of princes, white officers and other immigrants from Russia who spoke Russian, I love Russia, I want to live in Russia. To experience all the hardships and troubles of my country ... But then more than 20 years have passed ... And they still want to, but they live somewhere else ... So excuse me, but all the same, immigrants from Russia or descendants of immigrants will be more correct ... But not Russians ..
              1. atalef
                atalef April 1 2014 14: 41
                0
                Quote: domokl
                But if you follow your logic, then the person who has changed citizenship has also changed his soul ...

                You probably somehow misunderstood, Homeland in the soul - citizenship is a piece of paper. Therefore, somehow I did not catch your question
                Quote: domokl
                But then more than 20 years later ... And they still want to, but they live somewhere else ... So excuse me, but it will still be more correct to come from Russia, or descendants of immigrants ... But not Russian

                Therefore, I say, in the soul. Someone declares, someone loves, someone tells fairy tales. And the presence of citizenship does not make either a patriot, nor does his absence a traitor.
                Once again I say - Homeland and citizenship are not related things, or rather, communication is very ephemeral.
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              3. denis02135
                denis02135 April 2 2014 01: 34
                0
                But what about the inhabitants of Crimea
            2. elmi
              elmi April 1 2014 19: 07
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              homeland and citizenship are not completely related things.

              Where did I talk about citizenship? If a person was born in another country, and his parents, for example, are citizens of the former USSR, then his homeland is the one whose language he speaks, where the soul lies closer, nevertheless many have ancestors in Russia, so the homeland is Russia.
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          3. krechet-1978
            krechet-1978 April 1 2014 16: 22
            +2
            If a war starts, then only one helmet can be worn on the head. Whose?
          4. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg April 1 2014 17: 13
            +1
            Interestingly, and two Russian Olympic champions renounced their citizenship, American and Korean? Ours also love to give citizenship without asking, but whether the person refused the previous one. Another example is Depardieu
            1. AndreyS
              AndreyS April 2 2014 07: 38
              +1
              Quote: DoctorOleg
              Interestingly, and two Russian Olympic champions renounced their citizenship, American and Korean?

              Why should they refuse ?! If you carefully read what is written in the article, then in a nutshell: do you want to have dual citizenship? Have it! But at the same time notify the Federal Migration Service about this and do not go into government of the country !!!!!!!!
              At the same time, it is not necessary for our Americans, Koreans and French to renounce the citizenship of their homelands, as they do not climb into management!
              1. raptor1975
                raptor1975 April 2 2014 10: 04
                0
                I live in France, I served more than ten years in a foreign legion, I work here, I have French citizenship and pay taxes here, but I was born, raised, studied, served (fought) in RUSSIA, and I think I have every right to have dual citizenship. As for the notification, so when you receive a new passport (Russian), the price tag in France in the application form must indicate if there is another citizenship.
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 1 2014 10: 38
          +9
          Quote: domokl
          I believe that the institute of dual citizenship should be canceled. To close a kind of loophole. I’m tutny for the time being, but I’ll become shitty there.

          That's right! good
          Better not say.
        3. Antor
          Antor April 1 2014 11: 00
          +8
          I believe that from the very beginning it is necessary to understand and understand:
          first, who and for what purpose takes a passport of another state
          second, who wrote this in the constitution of our country, writing it for themselves and at what stage
          the third is the consequences of such duality, and even the trinity of citizenship, etc.
          fourth, why do countries like China, India, Japan, and even our neighbor Ukraine, and not only, are not allowed to have dual citizenship, are they stupid, not democratic, worse than us, sorry for such a comparison! ???
          In the end, let's remember what oath the recipient of US citizenship takes, if for a short time - to serve only this state and its people !? This is a mild, sophisticated form of recruiting foreign citizens to advance their interests in other countries, and they also increase the well-being of this American people at the expense of taxes that the owner of the American "ksiva" is obliged to pay, wherever he lives in the world! I feel like saying, well done Yankees, but only then
          who are those who receive them ?? And of course this does not apply to those who should have them for official and other state purposes and needs, but for the rest, especially for those who today are not embarrassed and not hiding, pouring mud over our country, whether it’s Pusky-Wright or joining Crimea, etc.?
          It is forbidden to have officials, etc., so today he
          for example, an official, and tomorrow having quit his job or just boarded a plane, he’s flying straight to his rather big
          accounts and he is already on a different passport a citizen of another country and try to get him out of there, even if he fenced
          a country for many billions, sometimes not rubles.
          Much can be said on this topic, but I am sure that this is the path ultimately to a split in the head, morality, one’s conscience and honor, and as a result to a split in debt to one’s people and homeland.
          This is the path of betrayal, betrayal if you want.
          You can change and have a bunch of prostitutes, wives and mistresses, friends and enemies, addictions and talents, but you need to have your homeland once and for all and let this be Russia for the Russians, whose passport and what we Russians will be
          proud in all corners of the globe!
        4. pahom54
          pahom54 April 1 2014 12: 04
          +5
          for domokl
          A thousand pluses !!! And no other way. You are either ours or not ours.
          I have two classmates who have two citizenships (I don’t know how they were released only outside of Russia, a mess), one lives in Belarus, the other in Germany. They retain their Russian citizenship for only one purpose - to receive our pension ... Is this - greediness or what to call it? To the homeland - give a shit, "we're kind of uehamshi", but give a pension - give-give-give, give a bottle of Motherland ...
          1. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg April 1 2014 17: 16
            +1
            Not just because of retirement. Often people have relatives here, my girlfriend has parents. In order not to receive a visa, leave our passport
          2. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg April 1 2014 17: 18
            0
            Quote: pahom54
            for domokl
            A thousand pluses !!! And no other way. You are either ours or not ours.
            I have two classmates who have two citizenships (I don’t know how they were released only outside of Russia, a mess), one lives in Belarus, the other in Germany. They retain their Russian citizenship for only one purpose - to receive our pension ... Is this - greediness or what to call it? To the homeland - give a shit, "we're kind of uehamshi", but give a pension - give-give-give, give a bottle of Motherland ...

            By the way, if I’m not mistaken, in Germany, if they find out that you have another citizenship, they will annul everything that was after obtaining their citizenship (and citizenship itself too). But maybe I'm wrong
          3. denis02135
            denis02135 April 2 2014 01: 44
            +2
            My mother left for the USA 96 in Russia, doctors gave her 3 months, and in America she is still alive.
            Quote: pahom54
            To the homeland - give a shit, "we're kind of uehamshi", but give a pension - give-give-give, give a bottle of Motherland ...
            only she earned her pension for 30 years in hazardous work, so there is no need to puff righteous anger. And the Americans of EARNINGS move their pension to other countries (South America for example) and there is nothing wrong with that. If you earned a pension, then why not get it.
        5. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat April 1 2014 20: 50
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          Quote: serega.fedotov
          Let them pay taxes wherever they want, only at first let them pay! And prohibit getting into politics!

          well, no ... Of course, taxes are a necessary thing and so on. But it is not clear to me if you are a citizen of several countries, then who are you? Where is your Homeland? What will you protect in the war? What will your children be like?
          We have such an interesting practice, to give birth abroad, so that the child has some kind of American or French citizenship there. Well, excuse me for harshness, who did you give birth to? Russian or American?
          I think that the institute of dual citizenship should be canceled. Close a loophole. I’m so taut, but I’ll become stupid there. I’ll just take another passport. No, gentlemen, citizens of the world, you are either citizens or the world ... It's time to decide.

          It’s time to decide ... smiled, you can argue and debate this topic on the forums until you turn blue, but in the end PUTIN will decide, as he says - it will be so, and all our discussions here are a breeze in the field.
      2. the polar
        the polar April 1 2014 11: 16
        +4
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        Let them pay taxes wherever they want, only let us pay first! And prohibit getting into politics! For it’s not bad, first, when you get an American passport, you defend the interests of the United States, and then they depict law enforcement officers !!!!

        There is another loophole with a second citizenship, which the gentlemen of the State Duma seem to consciously not notice. For many deputies and civil servants, family members have a second citizenship, such as I. Kobzon (this is the simplest example). Therefore, the second citizenship must be generally prohibited, or even then divided at the physical level, which part of the citizen is Russian, and which foreign and if God forbid such a valuable citizen gets on the bunk, then feed only one part of it - Russian, and let the foreign state feed him the second. Also with pensions and other benefits. And if such a citizen infiltrates the civil service, then immediately put him in espionage, as having penetrated his foreign body into the office building.
    2. demon184
      demon184 April 1 2014 08: 57
      +4
      Although he has at least 5 citizenships, he should not have the right to work in state structures and authorities, and commercial structures should be advised not to hire such people or to create conditions under which it would be unprofitable for them to hire such people.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 1 2014 09: 03
        +12
        Quote: demon184
        Even though 5 has citizenships, he should not have the right to work in state structures

        And will you protect your homeland too? Yes, and does this multi-citizen need to take care of the country? He has enough of his own pocket.
        1. demon184
          demon184 April 1 2014 09: 25
          +2
          If there are the conditions that I voiced, it is unlikely that someone will want to live with us with several citizenships, and if so, then under these conditions he will not be able to harm the state.
        2. serega.fedotov
          serega.fedotov April 1 2014 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          And will you protect your homeland too? Yes, and does this multi-citizen need to take care of the country? He has enough of his own pocket.

          Duc will not be able to do this shit .. but get someone else's passport, all the same shit .. ostanets! And you can't hope for him in defense!
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 April 1 2014 10: 36
            +10
            To take and repeal the law on dual citizenship, if you want to go abroad, take your passport and go, or you’ve taken it into fashion - we earn money in Russia, we live on the Cote d'Azur, children study in Landon, money on caimans!
            1. serega.fedotov
              serega.fedotov April 1 2014 10: 44
              +3
              Quote: predator.3
              To take and repeal the law on dual citizenship, if you want to go abroad, take your passport and go, or you’ve taken it into fashion - we earn money in Russia, we live on the Cote d'Azur, children study in Landon, money on caimans!

              I completely agree, but there are also exceptions / the truth is not enough / when they live in Russia, they spend money here, but they stir up something over the hill! Business, however, they need a quick start!
            2. Ptah
              Ptah April 1 2014 10: 45
              +2
              Quote: predator.3
              dual citizenship law ...
              и
              ... we earn money in Russia, we live on the Cote d'Azur, children study in landon, money on caimans

              These are different things. Here is the last thing to pay attention to. Economics is the blood of the state.
              A lot of blood - the state is strong, then it will be possible to start "natural selection". In the meantime, if only prohibitive measures are thoughtlessly introduced, then hundreds of thousands of oppositionists will appear, who would never have become such before.
              And "love-carrots for the Motherland" has nothing to do with it ...
            3. iConst
              iConst April 1 2014 13: 20
              +3
              Quote: predator.3
              To take and repeal the law on dual citizenship, if you want to go abroad, take your passport and go, or you’ve taken it into fashion - we earn money in Russia, we live on the Cote d'Azur, children study in Landon, money on caimans!

              Actually, then, along with the ban on deputies to have accounts and securities abroad, a ban on the education of any relatives over the hill should be introduced.

              As deputy Fedorov has shown, everyone who has children studying over the hill is in that very fifth column. The sanctions have just begun: already many relatives of our servants of the people have been studying for a long time, working and simply living on "honestly" earned millions beyond that very mound.

              And they begin to receive notifications that they can only remain until the expiration of the visa, with a clear hint that it may not be renewed if ... And now all these bloodsuckers, essno, will rush to their depot. A deputy Tatyu will call or another deputy will come up and say what he has to do, which law to support, which to promote ... and he will have everything chocolate - the kids will get a new visa and continue their studies in London ... It's simple. ..

              They ruin our education, withdraw money, etc.

              If so it is necessary to have prestigious crusts, then let our universities make prestigious, otherwise they will grow fat and do not do nichrome ..
              1. muramax
                muramax April 2 2014 00: 30
                +2
                Envy is a bad trait, a vice, you would have to take everything and prohibit, close, plant, shoot, immure! You can not do it this way! This we have already passed! Of course, there must be political correctness. Moreover, government officials, representatives of power structures-citizenship should be one that you serve! You want a double, it's your choice, but not in the civil service!
          2. domokl
            domokl April 1 2014 13: 42
            0
            Quote: serega.fedotov
            Duc can’t do such crap .. but to get someone else’s passport, anyway crap .. we are Ostanets! And

            That's just the point. But all the benefits and payments (such as old-age pensions and other things, 0 will be received by a well-deserved citizen, his mother ... citizen ... am
        3. atalef
          atalef April 1 2014 13: 25
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          And you will protect the homeland

          PROTECTION OF THE HOMELAND - THIS IS THE INTERNAL SENSE OF A MAN, citizenship plays a secondary role here.
          I believe that a person with dual citizenship cannot occupy positions in defense structures and be a high-ranking official - the rest - does not play a role.
          1. domokl
            domokl April 1 2014 13: 48
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            PROTECTION OF THE HOMELAND IS THE INTERNAL SENSE OF HUMAN

            Which country is it? As far as I know, in Russia and in Israel the defense of the Motherland is a sacred DUTY, and not some kind of inner feeling .. A citizen (or citizen, if you will) will take care not only of his pocket, but also of country. Just because this country will go to his children. And then to his grandchildren.
            But having a backup airfield in the form of a passport of another country and children will be born in other countries and the country will be robbed in black ... These are the ones that spread the most. After us, at least the flood ... Others will drown ...
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            2. atalef
              atalef April 1 2014 13: 58
              +1
              Quote: domokl
              Which country is it? As far as I know, in Russia and in Israel the defense of the Motherland is a sacred DUTY

              For those . whoever feels it, I think no one will force me to fight, if I do not want it and do not feel the need (as an example) - you can call it ten times a sacred duty - but it only works if a person feels this duty

              Quote: domokl
              But having a backup airfield in the form of a passport of another country and children will give birth in other countries and the country will be robbed in black

              Stupidity - whether to rob or not, to fight or not - depends on a person's specific attitude. Enough thieves and traitors and with one citizenship.
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    3. mamont5
      mamont5 April 1 2014 10: 12
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      Penultimate paragraph of interest. If a person lives in Russia, but also has American citizenship, then does he pay taxes to America, and not at the place of residence? Are we playing democracy?

      No, he pays taxes here and there, i.e. double taxation. And if a person with two passports lives in America, then he pays only there. So it turns out.
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 1 2014 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      If a person lives in Russia, but also has American citizenship, then does he pay taxes to America, and not at the place of residence?

      I explain. I have a lot of relatives who have both Russian and Azerbaijani citizenship. Taxes are paid to both countries. And on the drum, that you still have passports. The war will begin in Karabakh, and if you are in Baku, they will send you to war, and even with you there will be an American or some other passport. And the same thing if you are in Russia and the war in the Caucasus starts, they will be sent there.
      In short, you are under the jurisdiction of both countries, but you really file the sanctions against the one in whose territory you are located. That is, while in Russia, Baku cannot really do anything against you and vice versa.
      1. muramax
        muramax April 2 2014 00: 43
        +1
        But does this blogger with an avatar in uniform of large general stars know that we have dual citizenship agreements with Azerbaijan? And here, please, in more detail about the relatives and where did they get the Russian sport? And vice versa, where did you get Azerbaijani?
    5. conscientious
      conscientious April 1 2014 12: 34
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Are we playing democracy?

      Russia has dual citizenship only with Tajikistan wink
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    7. Hon
      Hon April 1 2014 13: 03
      0
      I am poorly versed in tax law, but it seems like if it works in Russia, then the personal income tax is paid by us, if the individual entrepreneur also depends on the place of registration, like the legal entity. face.
    8. atalef
      atalef April 1 2014 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Penultimate paragraph of interest. If a person lives in Russia, but also has American citizenship, then does he pay taxes to America, and not at the place of residence? Are we playing democracy?

      Oddly enough, but the main Russian companies are registered in offshore or Cyprus. Where do you think they pay taxes?
      In general, the registration of Russian companies in Europe, offshore or Cyprus - is this not dual citizenship for enterprises? Why is this not mentioned? TC is inconvenient to the top.
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    10. Auralski
      Auralski April 1 2014 13: 45
      0
      Of course they played too much!
      The law must be adopted. And for its violation - not a fine (just ridiculous!), But deprivation of Russian citizenship!
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    12. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 1 2014 16: 36
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      Penultimate paragraph of interest. If a person lives in Russia, but also has American citizenship, then does he pay taxes to America, and not at the place of residence? Are we playing democracy?


      It pays taxes both in America and in Russia. Do not be confused. If people live here then let them try not to pay something. They will immediately bring out the clean water and wrest from the hands the state.

      And let it as much as you want in America ... I don’t think that someone is also submitting an American declaration. Rather, they submit data that they were dependent and did not have earnings.

      In principle, from the point of view of the state, the law is normal. The only thing I can trace is that all judicial measures of the type will be tightened, instead of subscribing, they will immediately be closed in jail and the like. It seems that he didn’t hide under the second passport from the heavy hand of the law on the territory of the embassy and did not fly out by mail to the destination country.
    13. timer
      timer April 1 2014 21: 18
      0
      We played it up to a dope in our head! Democracy is not needed in Russia! We need to take into account national interests, order and justice! Democracy is doing what I want and I’m not responsible for anything.
      Not a single employee in the civil service can have dual citizenship and passports of a foreign state! The next of kin should also be included in this law. on the public service! And for the rest, you want to have 2 passports, except for the Russian one, have it. Just consider the taxes pay to the Russian treasury wherever you live and will be put on special. accounting in the FSB!
  2. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 1 2014 08: 45
    +23
    For me, this is generally some kind of strange phenomenon.
    Two citizenships, two homelands ...
    YOU SHOULD BE A CITIZEN OF YOUR COUNTRY - and in other places YOU ARE GUEST.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 1 2014 08: 55
      -1
      Quote: Gagarin
      and in other places YOU ARE GUEST.

      / thoughtfully, with longing in gray-green eyes / ...
      And we are generally on this planet - GUESTS. In a metaphysical sense ...
      Quote: Gagarin
      Two citizenships, two homelands ...

      Homeland alone. Like the womb of a woman.
      It's like mom and stepmother, but sometimes the stepmother is more affable and kinder. In different situations, different people with different views.
      It also happens that you and I really want to throw out on ... some "uterine" representatives, and some "stepchildren" on the contrary to accept ...
      In the language of teachers, everything depends on upbringing. It often happens in life that "kind" mothers who do not take care of children with a belt in their hands are very frequent potential criminals.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 1 2014 09: 08
        -1
        Quote: Ptah
        It's like mom and stepmother, but sometimes the stepmother is more affable and kinder.

        Are you looking for someone who will give you a trough of satisfying food?
        The motherland, like the mother, is not chosen. In it are born and die.
        1. Antiquetoy
          Antiquetoy April 1 2014 11: 19
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          The motherland, like the mother, is not chosen. In it are born and die.


          If the homeland is the DPRK, then this is so.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah April 1 2014 11: 45
            +1
            Quote: Antiquetoy
            If Homeland - DPRK

            I heard such an expression ... wink
            Good people after death end up in the USA, and bad people go to Somalia ... laughing
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood April 1 2014 17: 01
              +2
              Yeah, and also: the inhabitants of Russia, who behaved badly in this life, after death will again fall into Russia. wassat
    2. domokl
      domokl April 1 2014 09: 04
      +2
      Quote: Gagarin
      YOU SHOULD BE A CITIZEN OF YOUR COUNTRY - and in other places YOU ARE GUEST.

      And you can’t argue. It’s exactly written in the target ... good
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik April 1 2014 09: 28
        +2
        In general, it’s right - again, as a measure of influence for defamation of one’s Homeland - it’s gorgeous to take a passport and expel it from the country. Adopt the law, collect all the liberal shobla-ebla, put him in a carriage, take it through Brest to Poland and drive it to the neutral strip - let the humane European Union deal with this shit.
    3. TAMERLAN 7
      TAMERLAN 7 April 1 2014 09: 51
      +6
      Quote: Gagarin
      YOU SHOULD BE A CITIZEN OF YOUR COUNTRY - and in other places YOU ARE GUEST.
      I agree! For this reason, I don’t understand people draping to the side. But, there is one caveat ..... For example, I was born in the USSR and this is my homeland! And I don’t know the present Bandera Ukraine! It turns out that either I am a man without a homeland, or .... my homeland was just captured and occupied ?! Everything seems to be the same as it was - here they are the native places where I was born and raised, here are friends and acquaintances, but it suddenly turned out to be a foreign country! And you’ll leave for Russia, it seems like you fled from your house. And what if you are Russian and you support Russia, but live in a country that is eager for NATO and against Russia? It remains only to fight for their homeland, not for the one they are trying to make of it, but the one that it was! What do we have in the end? The split and the civil war! Some do not want to be with Russia and aspire to Europe and NATO, while others do not want to be in Europe and NATO and aspire to Russia. The only chance and way out is if Ukraine takes into account the aspirations of all its citizens, but these aspirations are too contradictory. How to connect the unconnectable?
      1. domokl
        domokl April 1 2014 14: 04
        0
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        . And what if you are Russian and support for Russia,

        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        It remains only to fight for their homeland, not for the one they are trying to make of it, but the one that it was!

        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        . How to connect the unconnectable?

        Alexander, you yourself answered your own questions. I just have to add a little ... I was also born in the USSR. It’s also like you were left without a Homeland. But my Homeland is Russia, Siberia, if you like ... And this country I will pass on to children and grandchildren.
        And the unconnected ... Huh ... And who said that this is so? For decades, even for centuries it has been connected, and it suddenly stopped? You just need to build a rich, or at least prosperous country, you need to live honestly earning, honestly spending and building houses, planting gardens so that you can then transfer all this to the children.
        You know, when the mess started in Ukraine, it turned out that I watched the film Tractor drivers ... Damn, I don’t even see such a glorification of Ukraine ...
      2. Crimean
        Crimean April 1 2014 14: 15
        +2
        TAMERLAN 7 I LIKE AS YOU WERE BORN IN THE USSR, AND I ALSO FEEL MYSELF
        AN UNLOVEABLE LITTLE UKRAINE. ONLY BECAUSE I AM RUSSIAN !!! AND LIVE IN CRIMEA! And UKRAINE was Occupied and seized, and not Banderlogs (they are just weapons in the hands of others). AND I OO-VERY DOUBT THAT THE AUTHORITIES OF UKRAINE WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DESIRE AND OPINIONS OF ALL ITS CITIZENS. THERE IS FRESH EXAMPLES. A FREEDOM SHOULD BE FIGHTED! IT IS A FACT. ANY QUESTION. OPTIONS IS. AND IF SILENT, ALL UKRAINE DEMOCRACY AND TOLERANCE ALL ABOUT UKRAINE WILL FEEL RATHERLY SOON. UNFORTUNATELY.
    4. Petergut
      Petergut April 1 2014 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: Gagarin
      For me, this is generally some kind of strange phenomenon.
      Two citizenships, two homelands ...
      YOU SHOULD BE A CITIZEN OF YOUR COUNTRY - and in other places YOU ARE GUEST.


      You are absolutely right, dual citizenship is complete nonsense.
      Dual citizenship is prohibited in the Republic of Belarus. Either you are a citizen of Belarus or not, there is no third. Upon obtaining the citizenship of another country, a citizen of the Republic of Belarus shall be deprived of the citizenship of the Republic of Belarus.
      Oh yes, I almost forgot, the citizens of Russia are completely equal in rights with the citizens of Belarus, with the exception of political rights.
      1. ermolai
        ermolai April 1 2014 10: 54
        +2
        You talk, but what? about dual citizenship or about what the Motherland eats? Homeland is the area where your kind resides! and citizenship is where you live.
        1. Petergut
          Petergut April 1 2014 11: 47
          0
          Quote: ermolai
          You talk, but what? about dual citizenship or about what the Motherland eats? Homeland is the area where your kind resides! and citizenship is where you live.


          And we talk about dual citizenship about what is homeland.
          For example, if there is a conflict between a country, "where does your ROD live" and country "where you live". And you have passports of both countries. It means that both one and the other have not only rights, but also obligations. And duties must be performed. So the duties of which country you will fulfill, the homeland or "where you live"? And if you do not fulfill, responsibility will come. And if you are mobilized into the armed forces it will be very amusing.
          So the issue of dual citizenship is far from simple.
          Think about it.
    5. oblako
      oblako April 1 2014 11: 07
      0
      According to the "law of communicating vessels," if something arrives somewhere, something else must decrease. As long as the planet has national states and borders and separate interests of these countries, a citizen of one country has all the rights and priorities on the territory of this country. A citizen of two countries or persons with dual citizenship should logically: firstly, pay taxes in accordance with the laws of these two countries, and secondly, they should not hold positions related to the civil service of these countries (although this depends on the legislation of each of the countries), and should not engage in political activities in the interests of any country (also from the legislation). This is a reasonable price to pay for your choice. There are also obvious exceptions: if a certain union is concluded between states, then this should be taken into account both in taxation and in participation in the political life of states. If there is a separation of families as a result of changes in boundaries, etc. By definition, the law on dual citizenship cannot be simple, but must take into account both the personal freedom of a person and the interests of states, moreover, in this sense, it must constantly be adjusted in accordance with the changing interests of states.
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    7. iConst
      iConst April 1 2014 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: Gagarin
      Two citizenships, two homelands ...

      This was invented by the liberals ...
  3. Ptah
    Ptah April 1 2014 08: 46
    -4
    Well, I have dual citizenship. Whom should I SPECIALLY NOTify?
    Who needs it, they already know. And why there are various databases (databases).
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 April 1 2014 08: 50
      0
      Do not hold public office and sleep peacefully. Who needs to be watched by you. bully

      People with dual citizenship should be prohibited from holding public office. If you want to serve Russia, serve without a trace, but we will not offend, we will reward according to your deeds.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah April 1 2014 09: 12
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        Do not hold public office and sleep peacefully.

        Sophie Auguste Friederike von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg, in Orthodoxy Ekaterina Alekseevna also held a certain state post. And even for 34 years ....
        Quote: Boris55
        People with dual citizenship should be prohibited from holding public office.

        And where is the level, or the line, which I, as a citizen of a NATO member state, by the way, should not cross in my "irrepressible striving for power / state government / opportunity to pop from the state. Feeding trough"?
        Every day, leaving the entrance to the courtyard, I really want to tangle my face about the dirty heaps of garbage of a CITIZEN OF RUSSIA - the head of the local housing office. And can I take his place, because I know firsthand how it SHOULD BE "there", where the entot boss was also, sure?
        Quote: Boris55
        If you want to serve Russia, serve without a trace, but we will not offend, we will reward according to your deeds.

        Without a trace of what? Hemoglobin, patriotism, the euro in the "foreign account" ....
        "For deeds and oil" (c). Who determines the measure of this "oil" and how much it will cost with ineradicable corruption.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 1 2014 09: 23
          +4
          By your questions you convinced me even more of my innocence. People with double brains have nothing to do with us in power.
          By the way, what about NATO. What state positions can a person hold the first Russian citizenship, and the second "NATO"? Can he become president? If not, why not?
          1. Ptah
            Ptah April 1 2014 10: 15
            +7
            How is NATO? How do I know, I do not have "NATA citizenship". Do I want to be president of anything? I was not confused with "Shenderovich and Nemtsov"?

            "Double brains" - how's that? Two hemispheres, have several formations, speak and think in several languages, or something else?
            Quote: Boris55
            Are you looking for someone who will give you a trough of satisfying food?
            The motherland, like the mother, is not chosen. In it are born and die.

            This is not for me, but for my late grandfather. He, too, found a "nourishing trough" in the form of engineering positions at Moscow and other factories after he fled with his family from Germany in the 20s. Not from Hitlerism (it did not exist then), but from the fact that in those years there was no "trough" there at all. I wanted to eat so much that they exchanged the future NATO member (so nice) for Soviet Russia. Later he paid for this privilege in full with his own (German) krovushka as part of a howitzer battery. So he tried to visit the "historical", and his fellow tribesmen were against it, to the extent that they planted a fragment of an aerial bomb in his thigh. I didn't have a chance to visit my homeland, I only reached Romania.
            For that in Russia, Russified German, unfinished in WWII the Germansoperated on German... Brains "double" did not help, and new legs did not grow ... And even died not where he was born ...
            As for me, I am free to choose this notorious "trough" myself, without waiting for "favors" from someone who "will not offend, will reward according to my deeds" / quote /.
            I have seen many countries and peoples. I know how people live and I can compare where I feel better. All factors are very difficult to take into account, but taken together decided that in Russia.
            Take care of the "Svanids", read them the moral about "Motherland" and how to behave with it. But they will spit on YOU from high floors with the connivance of the authorities, who wanted to tackle the "problems" of dual citizenship not from the top, but from below. For what?
            What "military secrets" can millions of Russians like me know? Who are we interested in in the West, if Russia so easily rejects those who, with their minds and work, have achieved at least something in the "decaying" and far from hospitable West. A million compatriots are easily exchanged for 10 million Asians. Here they are easily ready to give up their aul-abrek CITIZENS, instead of the racial (in their opinion).
            Meet. These new "citizens" will bring "breakthroughs" in all scientific and technological fields ...

            Shl. From the moment of filing (for the second time) the application for granting me citizenship to the receipt of "Der Deutsche Reisepass" a little more than a month passed. It took my jerk son almost 5 months to obtain Russian Citizenship. What does this mean? That he is less needed by Russia than, for example, the offspring of Ksyushadi-Vitorgan, or ...
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 April 1 2014 10: 50
              +1
              Sorry if I offended you.

              I have seen many countries and peoples. I know how people live and I can compare where i feel better.

              And here I was born and here I will die and do everything so that my children can live here better than me.
              (not in the sense of transferring a rich inheritance)
              There is a motto: "Think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself". It's not about you.
              Therefore, those who think not only about the country where they live ... are not needed in power.
              1. Ptah
                Ptah April 1 2014 11: 15
                +5
                Quote: Boris55
                Sorry if I offended you.

                Never mind. Everything is within the rules, but contrary to common sense, unfortunately ... yes hi
                I want to say one last thing. Do not believe the one who says that Russians are not needed at all in the West. We are very needed there. Someone with money, someone with brains, and someone with hands that can not only hold a broom, but also a micrometer or even a wrench.
                They also have something to compare with. Against the background of the "color horde", visitors from Russia look like elite and piece goods, especially those who remember the USSR.
                Quote: Boris55
                And I was born here and die here and do my best for my children to live better than me

                Show them the world. Or give such an opportunity. Then they will appreciate the value of citizenship of RUSSIA. Otherwise, nothing.
                And the law, even if it is adopted, of course for good purposes and designed for cut-off bloodsuckers-oligarchs and "gerber-makarevichs", will shy away first of all on those who are not mentioned, but will cause, at least, dissatisfaction with the authorities and distrust to the laws he adopted.
                It is necessary to operate carefully, and not to carry out amputation.

                But my dad did not die in Russia. And even the money didn’t help either here or there. He had his first heart attack in the morning, just two weeks after being appointed Deputy. Gene. Technical Director of a large plant.
                And I remember the last of his words - "Yo *** s * idy, they are ending Russia ..."
                1. atalef
                  atalef April 1 2014 14: 46
                  -1
                  Quote: Ptah
                  I remember the last of his words - "Yo *** s * idy, they are ending Russia ..."

                  He remained German until the last minute, his relatives said the same thing in Germany - under Hitler.
                  Blood is not voditsa, do not dilute. laughing
                2. atalef
                  atalef April 1 2014 14: 46
                  -1
                  Quote: Ptah
                  I remember the last of his words - "Yo *** s * idy, they are ending Russia ..."

                  He remained German until the last minute, his relatives said the same thing in Germany - under Hitler.
                  Blood is not voditsa, do not dilute. laughing
                3. yastr
                  yastr April 1 2014 14: 50
                  +1
                  I agree with you! Having traveled abroad, I became an even greater patriot! "Germany is a great country, but there is one drawback: Germans, etc." :) the mentality is different, everything is different ..
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah April 1 2014 15: 05
                    -1
                    Quote: yastr
                    but there is one drawback: the Germans, etc.

                    Yes. That's what five million Turks and other ** iths think, all day hanging around in all departments in search of a free social. Where can they understand that all the GDP is 95% created by the hands of the GERMANS. Both current and their descendants.
                    But in Russia, the disadvantage is numerous rusky, according to radical Islamists.
                    To eliminate these shortcomings - and then there will be happiness ...
                  2. iConst
                    iConst April 1 2014 15: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: yastr
                    I agree with you! Having traveled abroad, I became an even greater patriot! "Germany is a great country, but there is one drawback: Germans, etc." :) the mentality is different, everything is different ..

                    The Germans are not there for long. The number of mosques has already caught up with Christian churches.
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            3. atalef
              atalef April 1 2014 14: 15
              +2
              Quote: Ptah
              A million compatriots can easily be exchanged for 10 million Asians. Here they are then easily ready to abandon their aul-abrechny CITIZENS, instead of Raseyansky (in their opinion).

              I have Russian citizenship and do not want to renounce it, my children born in Israel - they speak and write in Russian - that it cost me a lot of money given to private teachers. I do not want to tear that thread that connects me with a great country and culture. And there is no connection to deprive me of RF citizenship or not.
              If the Russian Federation decides to deprive me of citizenship - no problem. there is no benefit (I personally do not have this citizenship) - but no power will deprive me of my attitude and desire to beat part of the culture in which I grew up, no power can make me raise children and speak the language I want and love.
              Of course, deprivation of citizenship (if this happens) is of course some spit in the soul of a person who loves and appreciates Russian culture, literature, language - but this is just power, with its moronic laws. It has nothing to do with the country itself. You can deprive the citizenship of the country, you can not deprive the love of the country.
              When they understand this in the Russian Federation, a lot can change.
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              2. supertiger21
                supertiger21 April 1 2014 18: 59
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                I have Russian citizenship and do not want to renounce it, my children born in Israel - they speak and write in Russian - that it cost me a lot of money given to private teachers. I do not want to tear that thread that connects me with a great country and culture. And there is no connection to deprive me of RF citizenship or not. If the Russian Federation decides to deprive me of citizenship - no problem. there is no benefit (I personally do not have this citizenship) - but no power will deprive me of my attitude and desire to beat part of the culture in which I grew up, no power can make me raise children and speak the language I want and love. Of course, deprivation of citizenship (if this happens) is of course some spit in the soul of a person who loves and appreciates Russian culture, literature, language - but this is just power, with its moronic laws. It has nothing to do with the country itself. You can deprive the citizenship of the country, you can not deprive the love of the country. When in the Russian Federation it will be understood - a lot will change.


                Dear Alexander, can I ask you? What is your native language - Hebrew or Russian? After all, your native language also plays an important role in such a definition to any community.
      2. Bobxnumx
        Bobxnumx April 1 2014 17: 17
        0
        So everything goes to that.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 1 2014 13: 28
      -1
      Quote: Ptah
      Well, I have dual citizenship. Whom should I SPECIALLY NOTify?

      But it’s interesting - if I have a triple (to get a fourth - the same thing for 5 minutes)) - does this also apply to me? Talk about double wassat
      1. Ptah
        Ptah April 1 2014 14: 10
        0
        Quote: atalef
        And interestingly - if I have a triple

        Like a thick-witted V. Pozner ... Hatched in one place, recruited in another, eat and * eat in the third. But here, too, probably lying.
        Most likely, he has a whole bunch of Ausweis, sorted according to the catalog: A-Ameria (there are curators), ... G-Germany (there, if again foshizdy, then he is the chief ideologist), I-Israel (there shekels go, what if the doldar will be canceled), R-Russia (here, in addition to absorbing the emotions that he spiritually feeds, his Destination), ....
        I-Jamaica (there is just the warmth of a shiny flash) ....
        Quote: atalef
        (to get the fourth - the same thing for 5 minutes)) - is this the same for me?

        I do not know. I am not an employee. You need to go there, maybe they will sympathize and falsify something ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 1 2014 16: 00
          0
          Quote: atalef
          I have Russian citizenship and I do not want to refuse it

          No one is going to deprive anyone of citizenship, have as much as you want.


          Completely: http://www.kremlin.ru/video/1743 (about citizenship from the 30 minute).
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  5. awg75
    awg75 April 1 2014 08: 51
    +6
    My personal opinion in Russia is to prohibit dual citizenship --- There must be one motherland. if you want to be a citizen of America - no problem, but then be a foreigner in Russia. DOUBLE CITIZENSHIP MUST BE CANCELED
  6. darksoul
    darksoul April 1 2014 08: 54
    +1
    those in power should have one citizenship and without options, and I would have thrown out all NPOs, despite all the indignation, even if they are fighting abroad for freedom of speech, ped..ik.ov and so on ....
  7. AleksPol
    AleksPol April 1 2014 08: 58
    0
    Dual citizenship is like two motherlands, like two mothers. Well, in what families there are two mothers it’s not difficult to guess. It's my opinion
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    2. atalef
      atalef April 1 2014 13: 31
      0
      Quote: AleksPol
      Dual citizenship is like two motherlands, like two mothers

      In order to understand this - you must at least have it.
      I’m not going to fight for Canada, I don’t feel her Motherland, but for Israel - unconditionally - therefore I say again - do not mix the Motherland and citizenship. By the way, Homeland is not always where you were born, this is what you feel.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah April 1 2014 14: 13
        0
        Quote: atalef
        I’m not going to fight for Canada, I don’t feel her Motherland, but for Israel - unconditionally

        But there are prerequisites or the possibility of such a war.
        Well, in more detail, what was rubbed there at the last meeting in Mossad?
        1. atalef
          atalef April 1 2014 14: 18
          +1
          Quote: Ptah
          Well, in more detail, what was rubbed there at the last meeting in Mossad?

          They say all Germans and their descendants will be evicted from Kazakhstan to Kazakhstan (although apparently you are already there laughing )
          1. Ptah
            Ptah April 1 2014 15: 14
            0
            Quote: atalef
            They say all Germans and their descendants will be evicted from Kazakhstan to Kazakhstan

            And the "tip" will be considered for attaching a mohel to it? If not, then I will quickly put the appropriate nationality in the passport. You don't even have to change your surname.
            What if with such a nationality they will teleport to Alpha Centauri?
            Or is it all the same / quote / "blood is not water"?
            And the march is German ... Video from the archives of the Imperial Chancellery. Approved by Walter Kaltenbrunner.

  8. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 1 2014 09: 01
    +6
    dual citizenship - political prostitution. Two citizenship - is that two homelands?
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  9. parusnik
    parusnik April 1 2014 09: 06
    +1
    Two citizenships ... so that someone could be betrayed, but with the other they would be left out of business .. You can’t sit on two chairs, the ephedron will break ..
    1. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx April 1 2014 09: 52
      +3
      That to the "scoop" blew that almost vomited! Why every stupidity should be brought to the ABSURD? Another "what if he was carrying cartridges!" just laughs!
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 1 2014 09: 07
    -1
    A man with two passports is a potential spy! And do not rub our ears.
  11. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka April 1 2014 09: 11
    +1
    comrades, congratulations, Obama is considering transferring Alaska wassat
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WT5K_unF-3E/Ucdx3mPdd6I/AAAAAAAACNE/RK5b2fMCqSk/s1600/
    381492_5631-800x600.jpg
  12. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 1 2014 09: 12
    +1
    Well, Cho Dipartier may not be the other, it’s enough to attract specialists to us, whatever the Skolkovo type, because many are afraid to lose their native citizenship, then over time if we have too many unnecessary people, this law will change .
  13. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 1 2014 09: 14
    0
    Dual citizenship is like "double standards", "double conscience"!
  14. koksalek
    koksalek April 1 2014 09: 15
    +4
    and I agree that for officials and law enforcement agencies it is necessary to cover a shop with additional citizenships, they simply can’t have a leftist on the side according to their position and admissions to various state secrets. Here we have a recent governor calmly dumped in France and nothing, lives there spit on everyone and the fact that such an owner of various secrets, secrets and other important information released no one hesitates. Well, officials are not afraid of anything; for them, working in Russia is like a coven without any responsibility for what they have done, and if something is so, skis will cover the hill and was like that. How long will it be? On the number of such
  15. gandalf
    gandalf April 1 2014 09: 15
    0
    In my opinion, prohibit dual citizenship altogether. Dual citizens are the Klondike of foreign agents of influence. A person with Russian and Israeli citizenship, for example, "cheated" in the Russian Federation by order of another country and fled to where he was guaranteed an indulgence from the Russian Federation.

    Well, you can't have two Motherlands!

    If dual citizenship is allowed, then only with an agreement with such a country on unconditional extradition in case of a request for extradition. In case of violation of this agreement - termination + the possibility of deprivation of citizenship of all who still have dual citizenship by such a country with expulsion to their "homeland" so that others will not disdain.
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    2. atalef
      atalef April 1 2014 13: 40
      -1
      Quote: gandalf
      In my opinion, prohibit dual citizenship altogether. Dual citizens are the Klondike of foreign agents of influence. A person with Russian and Israeli citizenship, for example, "spoiled" in the Russian Federation by order of another country and fled to where he was guaranteed an indulgence from the Russian Federation

      Well, to paint and run away - it is possible with one citizenship or without citizenship of the Russian Federation.

      Quote: gandalf
      deprivation of citizenship of all who still have dual citizenship by such a country with deportation to their "homeland" so that others will be discouraged.

      Understand correctly what entails the deprivation of dual citizenship of people who left the Russian Federation for any reason (other than criminal) - you simply limit the ability of these people or their children to return to Russia and benefit it. Break those fragile ties that may still remain. Not a few high-class specialists have left - those who rode for the ruble. someone to make a career - well, deprive, well? Let's show those millions of Russians that they are nobody for Russia, will this bring any advantages to the country? Hardly. The bulk of these people, generally arranged, is like a memory and that thread that connects them and their children with their distant Homeland - tear it. Who will win? Everyone will lose.
  16. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 1 2014 09: 38
    +1
    I remember how Mr. Berezovsky was shown on TV for a long time, he was then intensely eager to go upstairs and therefore intensely promoted in the media. So there was a casual conversation that they say that Berezovsky cannot be like "upward" so he has not one citizenship, but several. To the fact that Birch, with his characteristic charisma, began to say, well, he has Israeli citizenship, so what, he’s a Jew, and it’s even indecent to reproach a Jew with Israeli citizenship. But the host of the program turned out to be meticulous and said that we had prepared for this interview and found out about all the citizenships of Mr. Berezovsky and found that you on such and such a number, on the basis of such and such a provision of US laws, applied to the State Department of this country and for 1 million dollars , bought yourself US citizenship - here is a copy of the response from the US State Department on granting you the citizenship of this country. Berezovsky paused for a while, pondering what was said, then smiled disarmingly: "Well, you must ... Oh, I forgot ..."
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    2. atalef
      atalef April 1 2014 13: 45
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      To the fact that Birch with his inherent charisma began to say, well, he has Israeli citizenship, and what’s like, he’s a Jew, and it’s even indecent to put a Jew on Israeli citizenship

      Berezovsky renounced Israeli citizenship in some 90th or that year. So what ? He received it - without feeling anything for Israel, he had Russian citizenship - did he feel like Russia, lived in London (I don’t know if he had citizenship) - but he set England as an example to everyone. Therefore, I say once again - Homeland and citizenship are completely independent of things.
  17. kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 April 1 2014 09: 43
    +1
    It is high time! But taxes must be paid in the state where he lives!
  18. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 1 2014 09: 50
    +3
    1. A citizen of the Russian Federation may have the citizenship of a foreign state (dual citizenship) in accordance with a federal law or an international treaty of the Russian Federation.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Just add the item "but does not have the right to be a deputy and an official in the state authorities and also have access to state secrets" ... Well, something like that.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 1 2014 14: 29
      0
      Quote: sazhka4
      Just add an item

      good Very sensible and "painless" for the majority of ORDINARY HONEST PEOPLE!
      This is where you can start. It is not necessary to immediately wave a saber from right to left, but to do with a stab with a sword.
      It would not hurt to jumble in the law regarding money transfers both online and in real life. Restrictions, declarations, binding to an organization or individual, etc. what
  19. onegin61
    onegin61 April 1 2014 09: 55
    +4
    Tikhushnikov for clean water, and taxes must be paid in the region where you work, where the company is located, and the legal entity of this company is not registered (many in Moscow, for some reason).
  20. Gvozdovsky
    Gvozdovsky April 1 2014 10: 09
    +2
    I support this draft law with both hands. And then they got all these "posners", "Alekseevs" and others like them. Let all this bastard roll to where they read "... protect the Constitution and laws of the United States of America from all enemies ..."
  21. bulvas
    bulvas April 1 2014 10: 23
    +3
    We will not slip into the rhetoric of party meetings
    I do not see a problem in dual citizenship, but a notification about this is necessary. An official with foreign citizenship is not permissible.

    Let a person choose who he should be and choose freely, without pressure,
    and the government should strive to improve life in the country and increase its attractiveness.

    And if someone likes to pay taxes in two countries - his personal business, with us if a person makes money in Russia - he will still pay in Russia.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 1 2014 10: 35
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      And if someone likes to pay taxes in two countries - his personal business, with us if a person makes money in Russia - he will still pay in Russia.

      Yes, at least five ... If I'm not mistaken, even in Russian laws it is prescribed that taxes are paid at the place of earnings. This is a worldwide practice. But in Russia, too, she distinguished herself. Millions of Gaster take out billions of dollars ...
      They will receive Russian citizenship, while nothing will prevent them from spending money through numerous relatives in "their homelands." Where is the logic?

      A striking example is the nickname. He pulled 150 mulions of mortars into the European economy, and a couple of pennies into the Ukrainian. And does not stop him from showing attempts to occupy the presidency. Until recently.
      Most likely, he still has German citizenship, so carefully concealed ...
      1. Marine One
        Marine One April 1 2014 12: 17
        +3
        Quote: Ptah
        Where is the logic?


        And here, by the way, about logic. It is interesting why the author and the commentators are a priori convinced that if a person has citizenship of the Russian Federation and, for example, of Sweden, then he "does not care" about the Russian Federation, and he sets the interests of Sweden extremely high and lives only by them. Why not the other way around?
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 1 2014 13: 54
          +2
          Quote: Marine One
          if a person has citizenship of the Russian Federation and, for example, of Sweden, then he does not care about the Russian Federation, and he puts the interests of Sweden extremely high and lives only by them. Why not the other way around?

          That's it! I’m talking about this.
          1. The homeland (not only as a place of birth) is ONE.
          2. M / F can be a lot, somewhere for a comfortable stay (it is not necessary to contact special services) it is more convenient to have citizenship.
          3. Judgment by actions and statements (somewhere to take into account the publicity of the "prepared"), and not by the number of passports.
          4. Have laws that protect, first of all, the economy of the COUNTRY, and not the wallets of "pilgrims".
          5. Take into account the position held. After all, the Uzbek janitor and Tajik plumber at the Foreign Ministry are also on the State. Service and also with dual citizenship.
          6. What else? Can they be forced to sit on the "polygraph"? I'm ready to be the first.
      2. atalef
        atalef April 1 2014 13: 47
        0
        Quote: Ptah
        If I am not mistaken, even in Russian laws it is prescribed that taxes are paid at the place of earnings. This is a worldwide practice.

        You are mistaken, this is not a world practice, especially when it comes to international corporations. He can work in Russia, and he will be paid salaries in New Zealand.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 1 2014 14: 40
          0
          Quote: atalef
          especially when it comes to international corporations.

          Russia also has such corporations, but the proportion of workers in them is insignificant, even against the background of seasonal migrants.
          One could say - "You pay taxes where the campaign is registered", but there are also pitfalls.
          In short, let the lawyers and economists rake if the state has a desire and awareness of the need.
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  22. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 1 2014 10: 35
    +2
    Dual citizenship is unacceptable. Why does a person need dual citizenship? AND? Here answer me, apologists of double or triple citizenship, why does a citizen need it? That's right, because a person prepares for himself a "reserve" position, an "escape route" or "retreat" for something. That is, a person no longer associates himself with his homeland, he now spit on it - he already has a "spare site" - therefore, you can not hesitate in choosing the means and ways of enrichment, etc. In addition, such a "double" citizen it is necessary, after all, to curry favor with his second "homeland" - so that he would be considered our own there, so that for this he needs to make efforts, otherwise he may be accused of "disloyalty", "non-compliance" with the standards that are adopted on this second homeland ". The "double" citizen has actually already decided everything for himself: he uses one "homeland" for "feeding", and on the second "homeland" he will dump when he has already enough "nourished" or when this "feeding" is forcibly stopped. So, a person with dual citizenship is an enemy, a hidden "fifth column", a potential "recruit" of forces hostile to Russia.
    1. Walk
      Walk April 1 2014 13: 38
      +3
      Here are two simple examples for you. A friend of mine, a middle manager in a private company, has dual citizenship to make it easier to go to visit a sister who lives with her husband abroad. The second acquaintance has a restaurant, which is managed by his son, and he lives on the Adriatic in his own house, but he often comes to Russia. For such people, dual citizenship is needed to avoid red tape. But officials and employees of state corporations, I would really forbid to have a second passport.
    2. slon53
      slon53 April 1 2014 14: 34
      -1
      a "double" citizen must, after all, curry favor with his second "homeland" - so that he and there would be considered their own, so for this he needs to make efforts, otherwise he may be accused of "disloyalty", "non-compliance" with the standards that are adopted in this second "homeland". The "double" citizen has actually already decided everything for himself: he uses one "homeland" for "feeding", and he will dump the second "homeland" when he has already enough "nourished" or when this "feeding" is forcibly stopped. citizenship is an enemy, a hidden "fifth column", a potential "recruit" of forces hostile to Russia.

      Therefore, it is necessary to amend the abolition of dual citizenship in Russia.
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  23. pts-m
    pts-m April 1 2014 10: 36
    +1
    Persons with dual citizenship DO NOT categorically admit to the State structures! Permissiveness is striking for TRIETNESS. But even there they look at them as traitors. It’s not in vain ... the betrayer doesn’t stop once in the future ..!
  24. mabuta
    mabuta April 1 2014 10: 58
    +2
    All this is strange. The situation is not entirely clear. If you are a citizen of two warring states, then it turns out that for both you are either a spy or a soldier. Citizenship should be the same as a mother (native or adoptive). And the rest is a residence permit. It will be fairer.
  25. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 1 2014 11: 07
    0
    Putin needs a separate law to allow dual citizenship. At least for the sake of it:
    http://www.e-news.in.ua/news/5744-srochno-v-nomer-putin-idet-v-prezidenty-ukrain

    y.html
  26. Hort
    Hort April 1 2014 11: 10
    +1
    dual citizenship can be left. But to prohibit persons who have it, to hold public duties, public service, in principle, and deprive of voting rights.
  27. anip
    anip April 1 2014 11: 17
    0
    In general, it would be necessary to issue a law for those who have dual citizenship, on the prohibition of occupying leadership positions in ministries, government, the Duma, in the management of regions, territories, cities, villages, in the management of strategic and vital enterprises and branches, in the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs etc. etc. Otherwise, it is not clear which country the interests of such persons will fulfill and protect.
  28. Stinger
    Stinger April 1 2014 11: 18
    +1
    A person with a double bottom should have a second passport. However, they’re not beating according to the passport.
  29. siberalt
    siberalt April 1 2014 13: 05
    +2
    Good initiative. It got to the point that Israeli citizen Berezovsky in 1996 served as deputy secretary of the Russian Security Council! You don't have to go far here. All officials, politicians, journalists, art workers and law enforcement officers who appear on TV, who have especially American citizenship, should in fact be recognized as members of the fifth column, acting against the interests of our Motherland. And the list! Mandatory list! On a dedicated website. And when they are presented in the media, to complement their "countless" merits and titles one more thing - an agent of foreign influence, a double citizen. And to fine, to fine for concealing this shameful "dignity".
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    2. atalef
      atalef April 1 2014 14: 03
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Good initiative. It got to the point that an Israeli citizen Berezovsky in 1996 served as deputy secretary of the Russian Security Council!

      Before receiving this position, he renounced Israeli citizenship. So what ? Does having one citizenship automatically make him a loyal citizen who loves his homeland?
      It is foolish to mix homeland and citizenship.
  30. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 1 2014 13: 47
    0
    I’ve been told so many minuses for the previous comment, I can immediately see how many double agents are among us, how I hurt them for the living. But am I not right, will we ask ourselves why a person has dual citizenship? prove to me that I'm wrong.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 1 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      you can immediately see how many double agents are among us, how I touched them for life.

      I am a double agent, I graze on VO, calculating as smart as you, able "touch the quick". But we (the agents) do not like this situation, therefore, after I receive instructions from the center and receive a new mechanism that can emit poison, from which there is no antidote and which are not recognized in the body after 5 minutes, also camouflaged under a dirty nail, I will be forced to eliminate you, through an injection in line in the social security ...
      Sorry, nothing personal - only obligations to the "new Motherland" ... hi
      We agents have no heart and soul. They are being removed to us at foreign consulates upon delivery of a new passport ...
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 1 2014 17: 10
      0
      Hmm, but you yourself in the 90’s didn’t want to take off to the West, when the country slipped into the abyss of poverty and lawlessness, when factories and enterprises were massively closed, salaries were not paid for half a year, crime reigned on the streets, and the government was busy squandering state property? ! Many wanted to do this, not everyone had the opportunity. Remembering those times, now many of these are safe. I believe that it is not worth abolishing dual citizenship, since the situation in our country depends on a specific person in the presidency. The only thing is that a person with dual citizenship does not have the right to hold government posts.
  31. Crook
    Crook April 1 2014 13: 48
    +1
    "Dual citizenship at the legislative level (with the exception of some special cases) cannot be held in countries such as China, India, Chile, Norway, Indonesia, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Denmark, Egypt, Japan, Ukraine and a number of others."

    Forgot to add the Republic of Kazakhstan, we also cannot have dual citizenship.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 1 2014 13: 55
      0
      Quote: Crook
      cannot be kept in countries such as China, India, Chile, Norway, Indonesia, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Denmark, Egypt, Japan, Ukraine and a number of others. "

      Why. Ukraine is not entirely true, everyone in my family (except for me, but they just don’t get my hands on it) has a Ukrainian passport, which is regularly updated at the consulate. This is called a citizen - not a resident. Upon arrival to Ukraine for residence. this passport gives the right to instantly obtain an internal passport. So, in fact - this is the second citizenship - there are some restrictions for non-residents, but if you decide to return, this is decided within a few weeks.
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  32. polite people
    polite people April 1 2014 14: 40
    0
    Born, I live and die in RUSSIA !!!
  33. Mkrtumyan
    Mkrtumyan April 1 2014 15: 27
    0
    Prohibit dual citizenship, and let people determine the citizens of which country they are
  34. denkastro
    denkastro April 1 2014 15: 40
    +2
    “I hereby swear that I absolutely and completely surrender loyalty and devotion to any foreign monarch, ruler, state or sovereign authority whose subject or citizen I was until this day; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America from all enemies, external and internal; that I will faithfully serve the United States; that with arms in hand I will fight on the side of the United States, when I will be required to do so by law; that I will be serving in the armed forces of the United States when I will be required to do so by law; that I will do civic work when I will be required to do so by law; and that I take this oath openly, without any second thoughts or intention to evade its fulfillment. God help me. ” This is the full version of the oath of obtaining a US passport by a citizen of another country. I think the comments are unnecessary.
  35. srha
    srha April 1 2014 16: 33
    -2
    Strange are these articles. Recognizing a citizen of a foreign state as ours is the same as recognizing a foreign virus as one. It may be partially useful, but rather harmful, as it carries alien structures. In terms of loyalty - clearly a contradiction arises, and also taxes, the number of wives and other mur ... In general, this is stupidity, imposed by liberals and globalists. Generally need to be banned.
  36. ioann1
    ioann1 April 1 2014 16: 57
    +1
    The "fifth column" in Russia necessarily has an American passport as the first or second document. To obtain this passport, you must, among other things, take an oath. Here, “A mandatory procedure before the issuance of such a document is the public taking of an oath, an oath, the essence of which is to faithfully and undividedly serve the United States of America.
    Dual citizenship puts Russia in a disadvantaged position from all sides: both politically and economically. Well, in the event of military aggression by the United States against Russia, all "our" Russian citizens stand up on command and take up arms. Most likely, there will be one on the territory of the US Embassy. But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that many officials who come under the influence of the United States for any reason are already torpedoing the President's decrees and by their opposition or "inaction" create a threat to Russia's national security.
  37. Greenwood
    Greenwood April 1 2014 17: 14
    0
    I see nothing wrong with dual citizenship. The only thing, I think that a person who has one, should not have the right to hold public office, and even more so to work in the government. And to have a second passport in our situation is quite justified, especially considering the shit in which Russia lived 10-15 years ago. Unfortunately, the situation in the country still depends on the president. Putin himself is far from eternal and it is not known who will come in his place. In the West, there is much more stability in this regard.
    1. ioann1
      ioann1 April 1 2014 18: 11
      0
      Quote: Greenwood
      down

      In the west, everything is moving steadily to an end. If you do not understand this, then these are your difficulties. But with such a treacherous position, (I dare to argue like that, because you do not see point-blank problems that Russia already has, which might arise in the event of a war, and the USA is a geopolitical opponent of Russia!) You cannot go far! Market conditions have always hindered the development of any state. In the West, just for the policy of double standards they beat and very hard, but in Russia this is the norm, this is in the order of things.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 2 2014 02: 57
        +1
        Quote: ioann1
        In the west, everything is moving steadily to an end.
        We have been told about the decaying West since the 60s. Then they started talking about it again from the beginning of the mortgage crisis of 2007, Panarin even predicted the collapse of the United States into 6 states in the summer of 2010. I have no sympathy for the United States, although I occasionally order goods from there with Ebay. I do not want to amuse myself with mantras about the collapse of the States and the West. That's when they fall apart, then we'll talk.
        Quote: ioann1
        US geopolitical adversary
        Strange, but Putin calls the United States our strategic partner.
        Quote: ioann1
        in the West, just for the policy of double standards beat and very hard
        As it were, the policy of double standards and the presence of a second passport are still slightly different things, don’t find.
  38. bestpr2009
    bestpr2009 April 1 2014 17: 29
    0
    Yes, the most interesting is how they will track such heroes.
  39. regul002
    regul002 April 1 2014 20: 32
    0
    Dual citizenship must be prohibited, and those who have, forbidden to occupy leadership positions at any level. And also work in all media.
  40. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 1 2014 20: 45
    +1
    God, how many years I go, but didn’t take a step,
    God, how many days have I been looking for what is forever with me.
    For how many years I chew raw love instead of bread,
    How many lives are in the temple,
    I'm spitting a blued barrel
    The long-awaited distance.

    The black lights at the neighboring gates
    People, handcuffs, torn mouth.
    How many times rolled my head
    With a crowded block flew here, where ...

    Homeland, I'm going home,
    Let them shout - ugly
    And we like her,
    Although not beautiful.
    Gullible to the scum,
    Well, to us tra-la-la-la-la-la,
    La la la la la la,
    Hey boss.

    God how much truth
    In the eyes of state whores
    God how much faith
    In the hands of retired executioners.
    You do not let them roll up their sleeves again
    You do not let them roll up their sleeves again
    Fussy nights.

    The black lights at the neighboring gates
    People, handcuffs, torn mouth.
    How many times rolled my head
    With a crowded block flew here, where ...

    Homeland, I'm going home,
    Let them shout - ugly
    And we like her,
    Although not beautiful.
    Gullible to the scum,
    Well, to us tra-la-la-la-la-la,
    La la la la la la,
    Hey boss.

    A red cock is tearing from under black shirts,
    Marmalade pours out from under the good kings.
    This world has never contained two
    Father was god to us, but what the hell ...

    Homeland, I'm going home,
    Let them shout - ugly
    And we like her,
    Although not beautiful.
    Gullible to the scum,
    Well, to us tra-la-la-la-la-la,
    La la la la la la,
    Hey boss.
    DDT
  41. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 1 2014 20: 50
    0
    DDT at the root of ripening!
  42. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 1 2014 21: 33
    0
    What dual citizenship, what fines! It was the holders of foreign passports that brought Russia to its knees! Call them in your own words - "the fifth column." A person must choose where to live, but he must know: he left, so he left forever, if you really wanted to return, deserve this right. "VAKHTOVIKI" - NOT NECESSARY IN RUSSIA !!!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 2 2014 03: 03
      +1
      Nonsense. Now is the era of globalization. Borders between countries are growing thinner, many of ours work abroad, many foreigners work in Russia, many joint projects with Americans, and with Europeans, and with Asian countries. Therefore, the phrase about "left forever" only shows your lack of understanding of modern realities. Strive to see the whole world, otherwise you will talk about many things, only based on what you saw on TV, heard out of the way from someone and read on the Internet. And so you will have an independent opinion about things around you.
  43. DimDimych
    DimDimych April 2 2014 01: 33
    0
    None of Russian citizens are prohibited from having a second citizenship

    Never even in my thoughts had any additional citizenship,
    I was always proud to be a citizen of Russia (when the USSR) and raised children as well.
  44. postman
    postman April 2 2014 03: 12
    +1
    Quote: Author
    But in the United States, dual citizenship is not prohibited by law, but for a person who has dual citizenship, an interesting practice applies. Even this person permanently resides in another country, then he will pay taxes to the American treasury (in fact - double taxation

    Not quite right!
    1.All US citizens including non-resident and aliens resident in the United States pay tax on gross income derived worldwide. For an American citizen, the only way to avoid the need to submit an income tax report to the US tax authorities during a period of non-residency is to renounce American citizenship. Moreover, a U.S. citizen who renounced citizenship in order to avoid paying an American tax, under the law, it usually remains a taxpayer for the next 10 years.
    but!
    2.According with double taxation agreements payable in the USA World income tax may be reduced by the amount of taxes paid abroad. As for non-residents, only income derived from sources in the United States is taxable.
    3. more than 6 months abroad (subject to the extraction of income abroad) -YES, NO, such as in Germany (Individuals, non-resident in Germany, are limited tax liability. In this case, tax is subject to income received only from sources located in Germany (although there are other rates).
    4. + more (important)
    When paying income tax in the USA Deductions apply:
    Income and state taxes levied by states
    - business costs associated with generating income (for example, transportation costs, communications, etc.)
    Medical expenses (within 7,5% of taxable income)
    pension contributions within the established limits
    mortgage interest on the first and the second house
    - contributions to charitable, religious, scientific organizations, donations to political parties,
    - non-profit-related expenses for caring for children and the elderly losses from passive investments (investments in the management of which the investor does not take personal part). These losses only reduce the taxable amount of income from passive investments.
  45. Ivan Russky
    Ivan Russky April 2 2014 06: 09
    +2
    Yes, it’s better if I get the citizenship of another country if possible, it doesn’t matter which one I’d better pay taxes to another country, otherwise these pigs in our government have gotten too tired. On my taxes, they create laws such that the nuts are generally nowhere else to turn. That's right, they raised the salary of the army and the police so that they could give their people their views on certain laws with their own hands. I saved up the last penny with a salary of 12000 rubles and bought a moped so that I could not get to work by passing cars. At the same time, my purchase hit my family hard, my retired wife and daughter are in the second grade. So these little crooks in our vaunted government introduced the rights to mopeds and to get them now I need to pay another 12000 rubles, go to the city to study for 70 km and pay for the exam because they won't let me go to the exam. And there are many such examples that I come across. So nahren I will feed these freaks, pay taxes, overpay for everything several times. And you are all yelling that glory to Putin, etc. What president of his country is he, if ordinary people have turned nuts so hard that it’s hard to breathe. Everything is good, I talked here, read what others write, patriotism is not mine. A mess in the country and they then discuss the outskirts of how bad it is then some kind of haemorrhoids but not words about internal affairs in the country. In China, executed for bribes and abuse of authority, and this is in the order of things. If there is a war with China, it’s better to surrender to them. EVERYTHING has accumulated. And endure all this is already tired.
  46. Ruskiye
    Ruskiye April 2 2014 22: 23
    0
    For American citizens, pay taxes from abroad if your income is more than $ 80,000 per family even more. For most it means no taxes.