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Obama is going to squeeze out Gazprom from Europe

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20-21 March in Strasbourg was the next summit of EU member states. The key strategic decisions of the summit are: a promise to help the countries of Eastern Europe come out of energy isolation by 2015; the planned reduction of the EU’s dependence on Russian gas, as Herman van Rompuy said. It is also known that Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary in Strasbourg appealed to the United States with a general request for deliveries of liquefied natural gas and ousting Gazprom from their markets. Open economy what you want.


The final statement by European Council President H. van Rompuy was this: the EU intends to reduce its dependence on Russian gas. And cut - in the next few years. “We are determined to reduce our energy dependence on Moscow,” said the head of the EU Council.

What Europe will replace Russian gas? American! Shale gas is expected to be imported from the USA.

Also in the press they write that the four Central European states of the EU, namely Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary, at the March summit asked the US to supply them with liquefied natural gas and oust the Russian Gazprom from their markets. Washington received an official letter from these very central Europeans: "The presence of American gas in Central and Eastern Europe at this critical time for the region will be highly desirable, as well as the decision of the Congress to supply the region with liquefied natural gas."

A few days later BH Obama himself flew to Europe (to Brussels) for a special summit of the EU and the USA.

It turns out that from now on there are no contradictions between Washington and Brussels in raw materials and economic issues in general. In a recent meeting, in addition to Obama, said Van Rompuy and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso participated.

With regard to Ukraine, Europe and the United States fully agreed: they supported "the desire of the people of Ukraine for a better life", condemned the entry of the Crimea into Russia and said a lot about stability in the world.

From here, a direct transition was made to the "stability of the transatlantic relationship." Mr. Van Rompuy spoke on this topic, noting that the stability of transatlantic relations was “verified history».

Then B.H. Obama developed the topic of joint sanctions against Russia. According to him, the EU and the United States are already "agreeing on possible sanctions against the Russian Federation, which can be taken in the event Russia moves into the depths of Ukraine." Obama said that "sanctions against the energy sector" of Russia could become part of the planned measures. The European Union does not need to be afraid of the consequences of such measures: Obama will simply fill up the EU with gas, he has this kind of excess.

Americans really are going to deliver liquefied shale gas to Europe. America has so much gas that it has nowhere to go. Here are the words of B.H. Obama: “We understand that the strengthening of sanctions will have a different impact on different countries, including the EU countries. The United States can already supply more gas than Europe requires. We need to agree on the verification of this process, and we intend to do that. ”

In parallel, the United States will "help" Ukraine with the elections, as well as restore its crisis economy.

Obama immediately asserted van Rompuy, ready to make efforts to "stabilize the Ukrainian economy" and "comprehensively support Ukraine." Under the IMF program, Van Rompuy is easily prepared to give Ukraine money. And where did they come from?

As for the upcoming conclusion of the Transatlantic Trade Pact to create a single free trade zone between the EU and the USA, it is the Pact that will facilitate the supply of American gas to Europe. This was stated by Barack Obama, whose activities in the sphere of wiretapping and peeping, as we know, the same EU was previously very unhappy. Now, the EU has found a far more terrible enemy - the Russians, who have lost their gas in the spring. The stories from Snowden were a little forgotten, and the USA again became kind and fluffy. “As soon as we conclude a trade agreement, the process of issuing licenses for the export of liquefied gas to Europe will be greatly facilitated. Obviously, this is in line with today's geopolitical situation, ”B. Obama explained to Europeans.

The Russian press also notes that Mr. Van Rompuy announced the planned meeting of G-7 ministers of economy. The meeting will focus on the issue of Europe’s dependence on Russian energy resources. In addition, a special summit of ministers of the European Union and the United States will be held in early April, and the issue of “energy cooperation between the EU and the US” will also be discussed there (according to J. M. Barroso). The summit will be chaired by US Secretary of State John Kerry and head of European diplomacy Catherine Ashton.

By the way, the same Barroso told how the EU imagines a “drastic” reduction of dependence on Russian gas. The European Union will organize the internal energy market, build pipeline connections between member countries, and also conduct the so-called Southern Gas Corridor from the Caspian (through Turkey).

Probably, brotherly Turkey will once again promise acceptance into the EU to implement this plan. The only question is how long is the Turkish government going to go and make a fool ... Judging by recent frank statements, Ankara finally tired of her uncomfortable role. “You are obsessed with communism. Russia is a civilized country with its own laws ", in February сказал representative of the Turkish Foreign Ministry in the European Union (he is the main negotiator) Mevlüt авavuşoлуlu. Through its mouth, Turkey blamed Europe for inciting a civil war in Ukraine and provocations against Russia.

And another question is what money the gas from Uncle Sam will cost the Europeans. Here are the opinions of experts on the subject of European "shale" plans.

An equal replacement for Russian gas in Europe is unlikely to be found, says Vladimir Feygin, director of the Institute of Energy and Finance, whose words "Voice of Russia": “Europeans all the time say that their economy must be competitive. They finally realized that this is the most important thing. So, from this point of view for the European Union there are not and cannot be seen any cheap sources of energy, including gas. If gas exports from the United States, from Canada will be developed, then, firstly, it will first of all go to Asia, because it’s just cheaper, and secondly, if it goes to Europe, then its price will be all costs (liquefaction of gas, its transportation, etc.) will in no way be lower than the prices that have formed on the European market. ”

About the same said Pravde.ru Alexei Gromov, Director for Energy at the Institute of Energy and Finance: “Europe simply does not have an adequate alternative to Russian natural gas, whatever Mr. Van Rompuy would say at any meeting devoted to this issue. Shale gas will come to Europe no earlier than 2016 of the year if it comes, because today the US is more profitable to supply its gas to the premium market of the Asia-Pacific countries. ... it is not possible for Europe in the coming years to change the situation significantly in favor of Russian gas. Either Europe should openly say that it is starting to save gas drastically and significantly reduce its consumption. Only in this case will Europe be able to buy less Russian gas than it has purchased in recent years. ”

And one more opinion. "In my opinion, the real alternative to Russian energy is a return to the development of nuclear energy in Europe, although this may be negatively perceived by the population," said Pravde.ru co-director of the analytical department "Investkafe" Gregory Birg. - With regard to gas imports from the United States, this will require the construction of additional regasification capacity in Europe, which, together with the cost of transportation, will not make the import of American gas more profitable than Russian. At the same time, political ... arguments may outweigh the decision on this issue. "

To summarize To count on the profitability, cost-effectiveness and reliability of purchasing shale gas from the United States is about the same as believing that the Americans liberated Europe from the German occupiers in the final stages of World War II. Rather, the fruits of the shale revolution at some stage will play into the hands of America itself, and even Asians - the same Chinese. Asians will benefit even if they do not buy cheap gas from the United States. With the continuation of the anti-Russian political bravado by the European Union, Beijing will be able to bargain with its own and Gazprom. And if Moscow is largely reorienting towards the East (if there is nowhere to go, Miller will have to give way to the Chinese, who are clearly not going to pay the “world price” for gas), then Western Europe, and with it Poland, Hungary and others, will know what double-edged sword. As for the Kremlin, it may finally come to mind that gas and oil are not all that it would be necessary for Russia to “grow” ...

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  1. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 1 2014 08: 40
    +23
    “You are obsessed with communism. Russia is a civilized country with its own laws, ”said Mevlut Cavusoglu, representative of the Turkish Foreign Ministry in the European Union (he is also the chief negotiator) in February. Through his lips, Turkey accused Europe of inciting civil war in Ukraine and provocations against Russia.
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 1 2014 08: 48
      +8
      Russia must say EU, but for God's sake, buy gas in the United States, that's just the United States did not tear your navel.
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan April 1 2014 09: 12
        +29
        They promise to 2016 to overtake us in gas production, but by what methods: this is a photo of production:
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 April 1 2014 09: 51
          +13
          Quote: Samaritan
          They promise to 2016 to overtake us in gas production, but by what methods: this is a photo of production:

          Yes, scary. As I understand it, this is something like our "Podzemgaz" from the times of the USSR. He worked there in the 80s, and in the 70s Americans came there to learn from underground coal gasification. The ground in those places is still smoking, and carries phenol for many kilometers.
          1. jjj
            jjj April 1 2014 19: 25
            +1
            The results of the first quarter of 2014 are being summed up. Gazprom has noted an increase in supplies to Europe compared to the same period last year. The exact numbers will be published later
        2. kirieeleyson
          kirieeleyson April 1 2014 14: 31
          +1
          "It's not a tricky business."
        3. jjj
          jjj April 1 2014 19: 23
          +2
          Not only do the landscapes begin to resemble the desert, so special earthquakes also begin. They are called shale.
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 1 2014 11: 07
        +12
        Quote: platitsyn70
        Russia must say EU, but for God's sake, buy gas in the United States, that's just the United States did not tear your navel.

        Yes. But at the same time, remind that "... for the European Union there is no some cheap energy sources, including gas, are not visible. If gas exports from the United States and Canada are developed, then, firstly, it will primarily go to Asia, because it is simply more profitable, and secondly, if it goes to Europe, then its price all costs (gas liquefaction, its transportation, etc.) will in no way be lower than the prices that have formed on the European market. ”
        And when they build LNG terminals from America, take and lower the price (the cost of natural gas pipe, by definition, is much, many times lower). wink Let them torment ...
        In addition, the horse understands that if Gazprom’s profit decreases, then the purchase of European goods will decrease as much, if not more. yes With all that it implies ... Let Russophobic helmets scratch their turnips.
    2. W1950
      W1950 April 1 2014 09: 53
      +4
      Just do not choke on the EUsessovtsy expensive overseas gas.
      1. Ased
        Ased April 1 2014 11: 28
        +4
        Until American gas reaches Europe, refining and logistics will gobble up profitability.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 April 1 2014 14: 15
        +3
        Quote: W1950
        Just do not choke on the EUsessovtsy expensive overseas gas.

        Yes, shale gas has clouded all the brains of the EU.
  2. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 1 2014 08: 40
    +7
    Yes, it's just PR. Does not come out with shale gas. It is fraught with seismic activity. And local European green plants will not allow building nuclear power plants.
    1. Flinky
      Flinky April 1 2014 09: 20
      +2
      So already started to whine. Yellowstone woke up.
  3. awg75
    awg75 April 1 2014 08: 41
    +5
    a flag in their hands and a drum on their neck. to carry gas from another hemisphere .... well, I don’t know. and small lozobyudov in the form of Poland and the Czech Republic, etc. must somehow be punished, economically harm them with all our might we are very able
  4. darksoul
    darksoul April 1 2014 08: 41
    +8
    squeeze out of Europe? well, the largest gas producing station, liquefaction plant and port are being built on Yamal. The most interesting future supply capacities are already sold out ... China, Japan, Korea, Europe, America. Strange get rid of addiction
    1. johnsnz
      johnsnz April 1 2014 14: 31
      +4
      maybe ours decided to resell? They are
  5. Kirzhak
    Kirzhak April 1 2014 08: 43
    +3
    “We are determined to reduce our energy dependence on Moscow,” said the head of the EU Council.

    Refuse EU gas only after the invention of the Perpetual motion machine.
  6. mountain
    mountain April 1 2014 08: 44
    +2
    We have something to grow, let the west boast.
  7. avant-garde
    avant-garde April 1 2014 08: 45
    +15
    The article should be called differently! Anyway, "Obama was going to squeeze gas out of the Zh.o.p." laughing, it will sound more realistic!
    1. Kapralwdw
      Kapralwdw April 1 2014 09: 48
      +3
      MIXED !!! bully good
    2. 52
      52 April 1 2014 18: 30
      +1
      What if the truth is squeezed out? There are enough beans, corn, and pepper in omega ... And they will ask for the ungraded peas.
  8. pensioner
    pensioner April 1 2014 08: 52
    +3
    From here a direct transition was made to the "stability of transatlantic relations."
    Che, add steamers, what? Well, Schaub fidgeted back and forth without a break ...
  9. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 1 2014 08: 52
    +4
    Quote: avant-garde
    The article should be called differently! Anyway, "Obama was going to squeeze gas out of the Zh.o.p." laughing, it will sound more realistic!

    laughing laughing What he basically does in recent years ..))) Everything is puffing and puffing ...))))
  10. pensioner
    pensioner April 1 2014 08: 56
    +3
    Concerning Ukraine, Europe and the USA completely agree

    stop Not. Not in opinions. In ecstasy! yes
  11. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 April 1 2014 08: 57
    +2
    from the Don.
    Cheap Ponte!
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 1 2014 11: 06
      +3
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Cheap Ponte!

      Yes, they will not be so cheap at the exit - the States need to build a fleet of gas carriers, Europe - terminals to receive LNG, and from them - new pipelines along new transportation routes. Such a gas will pour into that penny to the Americans and the common people.
  12. Predator-74
    Predator-74 April 1 2014 08: 57
    +4
    As long as the barrack (with a small letter) is in power, the collapse of the "West" continues, he is not some kind of "Feng Shui" president.
  13. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 1 2014 09: 07
    +9
    Putin controls the matrix of sanctions))))))))))
    1. I do not care
      I do not care April 1 2014 17: 38
      +5
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Putin controls the matrix of sanctions))))))))))
  14. SS68SS
    SS68SS April 1 2014 09: 07
    +7
    ... As for the Kremlin, it may finally come to his head that gas and oil are not everything Russia needs to “grow” to ...


    Siberia must be mastered. Develop the Far East intensively. And then the Chinas are not asleep, but all multiply and multiply ....
    1. sibiriak38
      sibiriak38 April 1 2014 09: 20
      +3
      In fact, Chinese civilization is several thousand years older than Russian, so if the Chinese wanted to get Siberia, they would have lived there for a long time, long before Yermak came there.
      And in order to remove all doubts - in the middle of winter, look at any Chinese in the "Shanghai", which is in any regional Russian city beyond the Urals. In his eyes, which by the way are not Far Eastern in this cold time, but so big and round, almost Russian, and in them such a puppy longing for the homeland is written-aa !!!
      So, to trade, to buy resources, to steal as little as possible the little things that are bad - that’s China’s ability. And one more fact - China has not won a single more or less major war in its entire thousand-year history.
      1. Ased
        Ased April 1 2014 11: 39
        +1
        Until the 19th century, the Chinese Empire considered seriously all Europe as their vassals (such a cult). They didn’t not know how to develop mining, they were lazy. And the wars were exclusively internal.
  15. 120352
    120352 April 1 2014 09: 25
    +3
    But what, are we in vain restoring the submarine fleet? As for the environment, gas is not oil. Everything will be clean. The main thing is to come up with a weapon, as a result of which no one will doubt that the boat has died spontaneously due to a gas explosion on board, due to technological errors by the designers and transporters. And it’s even more reliable to use our people in their team. Not kamikaze, of course, so that they could leave on time and be met.
    Two or three of these boats - and the passion for transporting liquefied gas will subside. Gas, of course, is inexpensive, but the boats ... Yes, and the international prestige of the supplier ... After all, they will carry it on an advance payment and with insurance. So denyushki may soon end completely.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik April 1 2014 09: 30
    +8
    Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary, at the March summit, they asked the United States to supply them with liquefied natural gas and oust the Russian Gazprom from their markets. Well, first, liquefied gas by sea from the United States, let's say to Poland, and then a steam locomotive to the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary .. And how much will it all cost ... If they were poor, they want to become poorer .. well, good luck ..
  17. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 1 2014 09: 30
    +4
    Yes, look b. (Sorry) at the map, even in a school atlas, well, what kind of "diversification"? Who will "diversify"? And at whose expense? At the moment there are several ways of gas supplies to Europe: Russia, Africa, in the future the United States and Spain. Russia is the most reliable supplier that has never violated its obligations in terms of business and not a nasty politot, Gazprom has an impeccable reputation as a reliable partner in Europe. What is offered to replace it, gas from Africa, yeah, right through terrorist-infested Libya, Tunisia or the civil war Syria? From the point of view of business, it is not very promising + will raise the price for gas several times since here, in addition to insurance, it will be necessary to include the services of PMCs to protect the gas pipeline + pay the local Fuhrer, well, what does it mean? In Europe, to extract, but the green ones spurred on by the Americans will run in and they will fuck everything. This is how it remains, deliveries from the USA or Russia, but then again take a look at the map and is it clear that the gas pipeline should be built or transported by tankers? In short, all these are just empty show-offs. And you should generally think about your future in addition to selling energy resources.
  18. sibiriak38
    sibiriak38 April 1 2014 09: 32
    +3
    As for shale gas, the energy efficiency from it is at least three times lower than from ordinary natural gas (there was an article a couple of months ago on the same site). And production costs are not small, but it is better to be silent about environmental costs in general.
    So when Europe gets tired of playing politics, then the time will come to count and cry.
    For example, on the market, the Chinese iPhone is five times cheaper than the original, but no one takes them anymore, they realized the difference. And with shale gas it will be the same.
  19. basil200
    basil200 April 1 2014 09: 39
    +1
    NU NU ... buying gas from a marriage is three expensive to find out Russia.
  20. Ghost
    Ghost April 1 2014 09: 44
    +1
    "... As for the Kremlin, it may finally come to mind that gas and oil are not all that Russia needs to" grow "with ..."-keywords...((
  21. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 1 2014 09: 46
    +5
    In general, there is a share of the threat ..... it is naive to believe that the European market is not going away from us ...... besides the export of oil and gas, Russia needs to develop high-tech industries, since there is potential!
    Of course, I doubt that Obama will persuade practical Europeans to buy gas of unknown quality, at an inflated price .... politics by politics, but the benefits have not been canceled yet ... but everything flows and everything changes, maybe new supply routes will open in 5-10 years bypassing Russia ...
    1. allexx83
      allexx83 April 1 2014 22: 20
      0
      but no one has yet canceled the benefit ...
      "There is no crime that the capitalist would not commit for the sake of 300% profit" (c). K. Marx
  22. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 1 2014 10: 03
    +1
    Now, if Putin reduces gas for Europe by a few cents, and when compared with the state, our gas will triple. The EU is kicking, but humble.
  23. Semenov
    Semenov April 1 2014 10: 08
    +2
    Young Europeans most of all want the owner of the train. lick. The Transatlantic Trade Treaty is the goal of the arrival of Obama and Xi Jinping. The EU treaty is disadvantageous, as well as the Chinese - markets are losing, and the US is increasing. Events in Ukraine are an instrument of pressure on the signatories of the treaty, but Crimea was not included in the US plans. And the Russian Federation will always find buyers for gas and oil - non-renewable resources, Malaysia, BRICS, China are growing and gaining strength, the USA is slowly wrinkling.
  24. elga5
    elga5 April 1 2014 10: 13
    +1
    It is also known that Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary in Strasbourg turned to the United States with a general request for the supply of liquefied natural gas and ousting Gazprom from their markets. How much these boisterous Eastern European prostitutes got to, who already has a plebeian psychology ... It’s disgusting. And Russia will have the strength and ability to get out of the status of a raw-material power, so your songs, political gnomes, are only good for us to concentrate and act!
  25. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 April 1 2014 10: 26
    +4
    Quote: Kapralwdw
    MIXED !!! bully good

    In our place, we must not laugh, but accept it as an alarm.
    Will Obama succeed in delivering gas or not. Time will tell. In karma, it would not be bad to have a backup option. I have in mind China's eastern neighbor.
  26. reader1964
    reader1964 April 1 2014 10: 49
    -1
    when politics interferes in economic relations, ordinary citizens on both sides usually suffer, which leads, to put it mildly, to unrest and unpleasant consequences for politicians. In Europop, they will again start hitting the police and burning cars
  27. Arhj
    Arhj April 1 2014 10: 50
    +3
    We have long been told that it is time to get off the oil (gas) needle. Now the United States and B. Obama personally began to help us in this effort. So we really will win the World Cup.
  28. anfreezer
    anfreezer April 1 2014 11: 08
    +1
    Advisor and Envoy of the Chinese Embassy in Moscow Zhang Di. “The West does not take into account that Russia can redistribute the flow of its energy products and redirect it to the countries of the Asia-Pacific region, including China. The supply of Russian hydrocarbons to the Asia-Pacific region is more reliable and safer, as the countries of the region and Russia do not have a strategic conflict of interests and hostility in relation to each other ”.. So the Yankees are barking off topic. The first of the export-approved LNG terminals approved for construction will start operating only at the end of 2015, the remaining five from 16 to 20, with a capacity of all about 118 billion cubic meters ... Europe receives more from Russia (135 billion last year). If the United States and send all this gas at once. then how yourself (? request ) They still had gas deficiency back in the year 12, now only a little more than zero, there are an abundance of ropes .. How much they can from their generosity, so as not to raise the price of gas in the domestic market (and Amrekan petrochemicals cheap gas oh how needed ), yes, energy security again .. And in Eastern Europe, LNG terminals are sort of like no, again troubles with pipelines or the construction of LNG-ter. In short, where not to throw, everywhere a wedge.
  29. Stinger
    Stinger April 1 2014 11: 29
    +3
    It seems that Russia is supplying them with drugs instead of gas and everyone has become addicted. And state dependency is much better. Is heroin cleaner than one cubic meter of stupidity?
  30. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 1 2014 11: 47
    0
    I don’t believe it, America will replace Russia with deliveries of its gas to Europe, how many gas carrier ships need to be built to meet Europe’s needs? Fresh promise, but hard to believe. Europe needs to understand if it refuses Russian gas, then the road will be closed back. After all, we also have pride, we can not regret it later.
  31. Deniska
    Deniska April 1 2014 12: 30
    +1
    it’s up to the Kremlin, then it’s finally possible for him to think that gas and oil aren’t all that Russia needs to “grow” ...


    Hurry ....
  32. sv68
    sv68 April 1 2014 12: 39
    0
    To begin with, let Obama pretend to be a Negro, or an African-American, and we look at the result
  33. Don
    Don April 1 2014 13: 20
    +1
    I’m interested in the cost of shale gas if it is transported across the Atlantic to Europe ?! And also the cost of LNG. I do not think that the cost of this gas will be lower than the cost of Russian gas. In addition, the companies Germany, France and the Netherlands together with the Russian Federation built the Nord Stream, now they own it together and why should these companies, which have a strong lobby in their countries, suffer losses ?! Why do they need shale gas? Italy and the Balkans are participating in the construction of the South Stream. Why do they need shale gas? In addition, the Russian Federation in May will sign a new gas agreement with the PRC, I think there will be an agreement on even greater gas supplies to the PRC.
  34. KAZ
    KAZ April 1 2014 16: 10
    +2
    Interestingly, everyone is talking about gas, few people stutter about oil supplies from Russia. The question can be not only about gas (as a product), but also about the gas transportation system of Europe - remember about the 3rd energy package, so actively imposed on the EU countries. Firstly, someone very much wants to participate in the revenues of the same Gazprom, and secondly, to get leverage on Russia (Ukraine, willingly or unwittingly, used this lever at one time). After all, if they squeeze out their energy package, Gazprom could build liquefied gas plants at the outlet of its streams, send the European pipeline network farther and supply liquefied gas to any consumer on the free market in tanks. this can be a signal where to go.
  35. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 1 2014 16: 24
    0
    Yes, in general, everything is clear with this shale gas from America. Europe, in order to somehow bite us, is going to pay the Americans a big price for their gas, abandoning ours. How marketable it is! If they want to worsen the financial and social situation of a European citizen to please the political games of their leaders, this is their legal right. But there is another question - with an increase in the gas component in the cost of goods manufactured in Europe, their price for the end consumer will also increase. Their competitiveness will fall. This political prostitution of Europe draws so many negative factors for Europe itself that at the time to doubt the mind of the leader of the EU countries.
  36. sinukvl
    sinukvl April 1 2014 16: 59
    0
    Doesn't Obama have a row?
  37. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx April 1 2014 17: 08
    0
    The West is already tight with money, and if you buy in the USA, it’s 1,5 times more expensive, it will be really bad.
  38. white_f
    white_f April 1 2014 17: 27
    0
    Quote: mamont5
    Quote: Samaritan
    They promise to 2016 to overtake us in gas production, but by what methods: this is a photo of production:
    Yes, scary. As I understand it, this is something like our "Podzemgaz" from the times of the USSR. He worked there in the 80s, and in the 70s Americans came there to learn from underground coal gasification. The ground in those places is still smoking, and carries phenol for many kilometers.

    Yes, let their ecology be destroyed, because of the ambitions of a handful of people, the population of the sailor community will wash away with bloody tears.
  39. Crazyzyear
    Crazyzyear April 1 2014 17: 31
    +2
    Obama does not have enough brains to convince the EU to buy gas from the United States. In the EU, too, are not stupid and understand the full benefits of Russian gas. It’s just that Obama doesn’t know how to bite Russia already, all the sanctions are in failure, as is the US economy.
  40. vovka
    vovka April 1 2014 17: 54
    +2
    I think this is all a bluff, although they will carry on some work or imitation of work. As far as I know, shale gas will end about 10 years and I think it makes no sense to build a serious infrastructure for such a period. But in any case, the GDP should lay the foundation of the economy for the future independent of hydrocarbons. Otherwise, there may be some other gas or other source of energy. Europe is a force for all and it will be tensed all the time to get away from dependence on Russia.
  41. ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 April 1 2014 17: 59
    +1
    Quote: sibiriak38
    In fact, Chinese civilization is several thousand years older than Russian

    A very controversial statement (I do not think that the emergence of Slavic culture is the merit of pirates and mercenaries - the Vikings)
  42. Koliamba_TV
    Koliamba_TV April 1 2014 18: 55
    +1
    Well, let's see who, in a few years will "cry" from these sanctions, I don’t argue Russia may also suffer, but not so much. As for gas, in the geography lesson about gas: the United States has developed some way of extracting gas from the bowels land, but this gas production has negative consequences for the land, so America will have to dirtiest its land for Europe.
  43. Antibrim
    Antibrim April 1 2014 20: 25
    0
    and it will cost 1000 probably) because it turns out expensive. what infrastructure is needed, nonsense in general
  44. regul002
    regul002 April 1 2014 21: 21
    0
    riches rich, and the West. NABUKO already built? Yes, they don’t have money, neither for the new gas pipeline, nor for the Amer’s SPG. Do they even imagine what idiots they look from the outside? Obama, nosebleed, needs the Transatlantic Alliance. Capture the markets of Europe, otherwise kirdyk. So he will hang all noodles on his ears.
  45. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 1 2014 22: 10
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    I don’t think that gas from America, previously liquefied, delivered across the ocean, followed by gas pipelines from 1 to 1000 kilometers, will cost less than Russian gas. Rave! This is the "spring exacerbation" of the EU politicians; in the fall, as soon as it gets colder, everything will pass, but only gas can rise in price!
  46. Federal new
    Federal new April 1 2014 22: 50
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    PR is not PR, but lowering the price of oil by at least 20-30 percent is a nightmare for Russia under the social load and the army, stop talking nonsense, Obama’s decision is correct, I don’t know the embodiment ... But if a political decision is made to start abandoning Russian gas , for Russia that's all. Selling for pennies to the yellow brothers ... And it's just survival, what kind of growth is the economy there. The back in the East of Ukraine seems to be explained by this ... The economy has not jumped off the oil needle. But turnips need to be scratched, and it’s better to change Dima iPhone and the team of liberals. We need mobilization of economy and real projects, rather than caulking holes in the Stab funds. Dima obviously can not cope ....
    1. Don
      Don April 2 2014 14: 04
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      Quote: Federal new
      but lower oil prices by at least 20-30 percent

      And why does it suddenly fall? Do you think the world's largest corporation, ExxonMobil, which has a strong lobby in the Senate, will want to suffer losses? Do you think the Russian Federation will not be able to agree with Iran, Venezuela, Algeria, Ecuador, Bolivia, Angola, Kazakhstan on limiting oil supplies to the world market in order to stabilize prices? These states also depend on oil prices.
      Quote: Federal new
      But if a political decision is made to start abandoning Russian gas, that’s all for Russia. Selling for pennies to the yellow brothers

      In May, a new contract will be signed with China to increase supplies, at a mutually beneficial price. Japan is increasing supply. South Korea is about to buy. Europe simply will not refuse anything and this is not a matter of one month, or even not one year. Moreover, German E-On and BASF, French Total, Italian Eni and other European corporations have long-term contracts with Gazprom and they share in the North and South streams. Why do they need to change something?
  47. DimDimych
    DimDimych April 2 2014 01: 14
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    Obama is going to squeeze out Gazprom from Europe

    Banana was going to do a lot of things .., only Europe does not share his plans. bully
  48. Fanat1984
    Fanat1984 April 2 2014 02: 14
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    And a week before this, the Obama shouted that the United States would be able to build the necessary number of plants for gas liquefaction in the shortest possible time by 2020 ... recourse

    Oh yes, he was talking about a referendum in Europe in Kosovo ... recourse

    wassat
  49. vfck
    vfck April 2 2014 03: 41
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    If you run an ax in your hands and chop firewood, otherwise winter is just around the corner :))))