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"If it were a horse, I would have shot it ..."

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The Black Sea Fleet refuses to stop the ship "Zaporozhzhya. The technical condition of Zaporozhye is catastrophic. Boat 44 of the year, of which 15 years on it did not carry out maintenance work at all. Sick animals in this state more mercifully put to sleep.


"If it were a horse, I would have shot it ..."


The Russian Navy is ready to transfer the boat to the Navy for its disposal - but the ardent desire of the Ukrainian is doubtful fleet to return the prodigal daughter - having relocated to Odessa, the remnants of the Ukrainian fleet fell into completely unsuitable conditions - both for ships, and for their crews and coastal services. Most likely, the dubious acquisition will remain the headache of Russia.

The crew was asked to undergo retraining and continue to serve on one of the 4 submarines currently under construction in Russia.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 29 March 2014 12: 23
    +50
    To give to Ukraine in Odessa is a risk. And if you beat off from the tug? This will be a whole drama for Ukraine.
    1. 120352
      120352 29 March 2014 12: 29
      +18
      We must not give, but sell it to Ukraine as our trophy, but more expensive. And then their business: a tugboat, a grinder, a jigsaw, a sledgehammer - anything, but not in our territory. Garbage after itself all the same will not be removed.
      1. W1950
        W1950 29 March 2014 12: 32
        +30
        Russia has long utilized the boats of this project.
        1. jjj
          jjj 29 March 2014 12: 37
          +88
          Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum
          1. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 29 March 2014 12: 56
            +55
            Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum

            This object needs to be restored !!! He is unique !!! in the world of such on the fingers of one hand !!!
            1. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 29 March 2014 13: 04
              +37
              Support.
              The ships were very good.
              They served our fleet perfectly, including in the Mediterranean Sea.
              And in Sevastopol there are conditions for the maintenance of such a museum, and tourists will certainly be found.
              But for the sake of the museum, I would have pulled her ashore.
              In general, the idea: to pull ashore the old decommissioned floating dock, cover it with a roof, and inside put a boat - a witness to many events.
              1. iConst
                iConst 29 March 2014 20: 04
                +5
                Quote: Sergey S.
                But for the sake of the museum, I would have pulled her ashore.

                Yes! History is the future. If people forget the past, then they have no future.
            2. alexgrin
              alexgrin 29 March 2014 13: 17
              +5
              And all Russian! Sweden alone has that miserable likeness!
            3. OST_51RU
              OST_51RU 29 March 2014 13: 35
              +7
              There were a lot of such unique objects throughout the union. Another thing is their condition at present - almost all are abandoned and plundered. But the idea is really very good - the underground base of the submarine, carved into the rock with a repair plant and a dock. There were even for the nuclear submarines.
            4. jjj
              jjj 29 March 2014 14: 04
              +6
              Quote: Rostovchanin
              This object needs to be restored !!! He is unique !!

              New boats won't fit there
              1. Altona
                Altona 29 March 2014 20: 51
                +1
                And even if they fit, the capabilities of high-precision weapons will nullify the grotto’s capabilities and make it a collective cemetery with one blow ...
                1. Simonov
                  Simonov 29 March 2014 21: 26
                  +2
                  This is not a grotto, but a tunnel with two exits. It can easily accommodate 5-6 boats of the "Lada" type. The tunnel is difficult to hit, it is possible only if the missile is accurately approaching the tunnel opening. You won't be able to fly up at high speed either - a complex profile of the surrounding landscape.
                  1. Simonov
                    Simonov 29 March 2014 21: 46
                    +8
                    This object is not a grotto, but a tunnel with two entrances. It can easily accommodate 6-7 boats of the Lada type. It is extremely difficult to hit an object with high-precision weapons at high speed due to the complex profile of the surrounding landscape. And the air defense and missile defense systems are not asleep.
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 30 March 2014 09: 28
                      0
                      what a good shelter!
            5. Yuri Sev Caucasus
              Yuri Sev Caucasus 29 March 2014 14: 30
              +4
              it's hard to disagree with you the only boat that sailed in the steppes of Ukraine :-)
            6. Slavkovich
              Slavkovich 29 March 2014 14: 41
              +5
              In Kaliningrad, the Museum of the World Ocean has such an exhibit. If my memory serves me, in 98, he was transferred to the Museum with the Baltic Fleet. So the idea is gut. Here is the link: http: //world-ocean.ru/b-413
              1. smile
                smile 29 March 2014 17: 00
                +6
                Slavkovich
                Exactly, we have this in Pregeli. All guests are compulsory driven there. :)))
                1. Ulysses
                  Ulysses 29 March 2014 19: 29
                  +4
                  Uh-huh.
                  And an urgent dive is made with the opening of the Kingstones.
                  Our river has two names that are equally used.
                  Pregel and Pregolya.
                  "Pregels" in Kaliningrad-Koenig have never been.
                  Please follow the toponomy of the names.
                  In order not to be ashamed of the members of the forum. repeat
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              3. alexng
                alexng 29 March 2014 22: 47
                +2
                Quote: Slavkovich
                In Kaliningrad, the Museum of the World Ocean has such an exhibit.


                I visited this museum and walked through this boat through all the compartments. I admire the submariners who served on such a boat. The places are so limited and small that you are amazed, and how they rested there. Especially in the compartments of torpedo tubes, almost directly on the torpedoes. Respect and my respect! hi
            7. Ulysses
              Ulysses 29 March 2014 18: 11
              +14
              We have in Kaliningrad.
              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Б-413
            8. Villas
              Villas 29 March 2014 18: 44
              0
              Unfortunately, this object does not fit modern submarines; they are much larger in size.
            9. bistrov.
              bistrov. 29 March 2014 23: 18
              0
              Quote: Rostovchanin
              This object needs to be restored !!! He is unique !!! in the world of such on the fingers of one hand !!!

              This is correct, but now it cannot be used, it is no longer suitable for new generation submarines and requires radical restructuring, modernization. In any case, you should think carefully before restoring it.
          2. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 29 March 2014 13: 00
            +3
            In the Balaklava rock factory will not fit.
            If only at the very entrance to put, where is the protective batoport.
          3. Nick
            Nick 29 March 2014 13: 25
            +2
            Quote: jjj
            Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum
            good
            But this, unlike the previous ones, is a sensible proposal. Museum of the World Cup. I think there will be many excursionists. Crimean leadership note.
          4. asar
            asar 29 March 2014 13: 30
            +3
            Of course, it’s better to make a museum! nefig Ukraine!
          5. Lelek
            Lelek 29 March 2014 13: 42
            +15
            The base in Balaclava is a unique structure, but it fell into filthy hands. I declare authoritatively since participated in the construction. stop
          6. starpom
            starpom 29 March 2014 16: 07
            +4
            Quote: jjj
            Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum

            She won't go in there. Only 613 projects passed. Even 633, who came from the North, could not be dragged (and he will be smaller than 641)
          7. Nikita_Pilot
            Nikita_Pilot 29 March 2014 16: 11
            +1
            Maybe it is better to restore to a normal state and make a combat training?
        2. kotyara
          kotyara 29 March 2014 19: 54
          0
          And what is this project?
          1. Fiero
            Fiero 29 March 2014 20: 17
            0
            Project 641
        3. Combitor
          Combitor 29 March 2014 23: 22
          +2
          Quote: W1950
          Russia has long utilized the boats of this project.


          <The Black Sea Fleet refuses to chovna "Zaporizhzhia">
          After reading this phrase I thought that in the word the letter was replaced. Then I remembered that it was Ukrainian.
      2. Interface
        Interface 29 March 2014 12: 44
        +16
        Do not grinder. Launching will be left as a museum exhibit. Let the excursions drive better.
        1. mad
          mad 29 March 2014 13: 44
          +8
          And they show to what state you can bring your armed forces if you hang your ears in front of the "good" State Department.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 29 March 2014 13: 46
          +5
          And they tell the children that Ukraine once had a navy. winked
          1. Ulairy
            Ulairy 29 March 2014 22: 59
            0
            prkh ... Glory to the Fleet of Uraina !, hrmp ... laughing sorry, could not resist laughing
      3. Lazy
        Lazy 29 March 2014 14: 55
        +3
        It is better then all the remnants (or remains) of the nationalized former Ukrainian fleet, with the exception of a few normal ships, simply exchange for Sagaidachnogo. He doesn’t need them anyway, but at least their fleet will create the appearance of existence quantitatively -)))
      4. skrgar
        skrgar 29 March 2014 16: 00
        +4
        Present to the Russian "fifth column" with Navalny .. with the obligation to carry out a campaign on it to the glory of the western dermocracy .. round the world .. without calls to ports. And bases.))
      5. gispanec
        gispanec 30 March 2014 10: 16
        0
        Quote: 120352
        And then their business: a tugboat, a grinder, a jigsaw, a sledgehammer - anything, but not in our territory. Garbage after itself all the same will not be removed

        Enough for you ... I’ll be happy to dispose of it .... since no matter what experience ... by the way, I’m going to Kerch .... we specialize in recycling floating materials ...)) ... and even money for we pay it ... please do not confuse with the creditation of the Russian Navy !!!!
    2. zanoza
      zanoza 29 March 2014 12: 31
      +17
      Returning to \ technology Ukraine, we support its metallurgy .... laughing
      Metal - a second life! lol
      1. svetlomor
        svetlomor 29 March 2014 12: 38
        +7
        It is necessary to make a museum of the Ukrainian Navy in it, which fleet is such a museum.
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara 29 March 2014 12: 53
          +13
          - The crew! Urgent immersion!
          - And where is our boat?
          - And we are without a boat!
          "72 meters"
    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 29 March 2014 12: 51
      +5
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      To give to Ukraine to Odessa is a risk.

      Of course!
      Once again, I have to transfer from Odessa ... and nowhere ... the seas on the Square will not remain ... if only in the steppe :)))))))
      1. Poldol
        Poldol 29 March 2014 16: 15
        +3
        The stolen has no diesel fuel to tow this "boat" to Odessa. The last solarium on Sagaidachny was poured. And that will soon be over. They will make a museum out of it.
        1. Altona
          Altona 29 March 2014 20: 54
          0
          Quote: PolDol
          The stolen has no diesel fuel to tow this "boat" to Odessa. The last solarium on Sagaidachny was poured.

          ----------------
          And I thought, you can fill with bacon and vodka ... And otozh ...)))
    4. predator.3
      predator.3 29 March 2014 13: 15
      +17
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Give to Ukraine to Odessa,

      And where from Odessa? in the steppe ?!
    5. vo.dum
      vo.dum 29 March 2014 14: 38
      +12
      What do you think to yourself again ??? Creep in a city close to me ??? Then we clean up ourselves ... Odessa is a Russian city and there is nothing to litter our future base ... ish ... wink
    6. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 29 March 2014 14: 48
      +1
      To give to Ukraine in Odessa is a risk. And if you beat off from the tug? This will be a whole drama for Ukraine.
      Ukraine will say sell to the Chinese on metal, and return the money to us.
    7. aviamed90
      aviamed90 29 March 2014 15: 02
      +2
      But what about the famous saying:

      "Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" ???

      It must be justified!
    8. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 29 March 2014 21: 05
      0
      They did repairs on it! ?? They sawed half, of course, but did they seem to bring it to a running state or not?
    9. Combitor
      Combitor 29 March 2014 23: 19
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      It will be a whole drama

      Ukraine can not give a boat. Still, what good, put into operation. God forbid, drown. How many people will die. The boat must be left in Russia. Firstly, we will save human lives, and secondly, it can be used as a museum or a training simulator.
  2. Afinogen
    Afinogen 29 March 2014 12: 23
    +20
    This boat seems to be able to do another dive, the last one. laughing
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 March 2014 12: 33
      +20
      Quote: Athenogen
      This boat seems to be able to do another dive, the last one.

      Well, in 2012, she was able to plunge and even emerge, this day, almost became - the day of submerging the Ukrainian Navy ...
      Here it is after repair

      And here is the day of HISTORICAL immersion

      DIVING

      HEROIC EXPLOSION
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 29 March 2014 12: 39
        +15
        Well this is how many diapers had to be lime smile
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      3. Afinogen
        Afinogen 29 March 2014 12: 42
        +28
        Quote: svp67
        Well, in 2012, she was able to plunge and even emerge,

        Well, if that’s the case, and she swam in without help,
        then she will still serve, sell it to Colombian cartels, let cocaine be shipped to America. laughing
      4. nogBogHuk
        nogBogHuk 29 March 2014 19: 24
        +4
        HERE so we walked fellow
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      6. Ulairy
        Ulairy 29 March 2014 23: 12
        0
        Did Poseidon kick her? winked
    2. RND
      RND 29 March 2014 12: 53
      +16
      Quote: Athenogen
      This boat seems to be able to do another dive, the last one. laughing

      Crew list: Panov Yaytsenyukh, Turchinov, Klitschko, Yarosh ... As stewardesses - Panna Julia, Farion ...
  3. delfinN
    delfinN 29 March 2014 12: 26
    +47
    To give everything and not to bathe
    1. 120352
      120352 29 March 2014 12: 31
      +6
      PionErov send there nasty. Let them carry out the plan for the collection of scrap metal and in social competitions they defeat everyone in a row.
  4. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 29 March 2014 12: 26
    +32
    It is a sin to laugh at a rusty fleet :)
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 29 March 2014 12: 29
      +3
      Quote: Vyacheslav 64
      It is a sin to laugh at a rusty fleet :)

      They themselves asked for it.
  5. svp67
    svp67 29 March 2014 12: 28
    +5
    The Russian Navy is ready to transfer the boat to the Navy for its disposal

    Only not so - Russia returns the property of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, left (abandoned) by them in the Crimea ... That is to say - a gesture of goodwill, we do not need someone else's "good", all the more this is not necessary ...


    If it was a horse, I would shoot it ...
    I'm sorry for the cartridges - she will die ...
  6. ZU-23
    ZU-23 29 March 2014 12: 28
    +3
    Open next to this boat scrap metal reception, its syneboda will be torn in a week laughing
  7. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 29 March 2014 12: 30
    +6
    yesterday they showed that Putin allowed Shoigu to return arms to Ukraine, including aircraft and ship personnel. drive to the port and leave there.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 March 2014 13: 58
      +3
      Putin allowed Shoigu to return arms to Ukraine, including aircraft and ship
      Yes, but only the one who did not go over to the side of Russia. In general, a good thing is to drive them to Odessa all the non-self-propelled trash and throw it in the roadstead (you can submerge it). And "Sagaidachny" will rot in this bay ...
  8. mamontoff1981
    mamontoff1981 29 March 2014 12: 31
    +6
    The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue. It can be used as a museum exhibit for excursions, good
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 29 March 2014 12: 35
      +3
      Quote: mamontoff1981
      The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue. Can be used as a museum exhibit for excursions

      And tell on an excursion about her terrible rusty Ukrainian fate laughing
      1. Ulairy
        Ulairy 29 March 2014 23: 26
        +1
        ..p ha ha, hrm, ... back, glory to the Ukrainian fleet! laughing laughing
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  9. levandos
    levandos 29 March 2014 12: 33
    +4
    To make of it a monument about the mournful memory of the Armed Forces sad
  10. Lissyara
    Lissyara 29 March 2014 12: 37
    +30
    There is an underwater fleet in Ukraine!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 29 March 2014 13: 12
      +6
      Quote: LiSSyara
      There is an underwater fleet in Ukraine!

      Well, Ukraine was the headquarters of underwater operations, where a bunch of generals were wiping their pants ............ well, for one treasury they lowered for money!
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 29 March 2014 13: 38
        +9
        The statistics are old, but interesting ...
        Despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine in comparison with 1992 were reduced by about 4 times, over fourteen years the rank of General of the Army 5 was assigned to the Generals, Colonel General 34, Lieutenant General 147, Major General 451 , not counting about two dozen rear admirals, vice admirals and admirals. Thus, in the Ukrainian army for 15 years, 637 general ranks were awarded. And although some decrees were never found on the presidential website, but this figure (with an error of no more than 5% upward) gives an idea of ​​the dynamics of the assignment of general ranks in the Armed Forces.
        In 2005, the president was given the 21 general title, of which 7 people became lieutenant generals, 13 people became major generals and one became rear admiral, plus 7 people received the title Major General 6 on December.
        In 2006, five were awarded the rank of lieutenant general, fifteen - the rank of major general and one - rear admiral.
        In 2007 the chief of the General Staff - the commander in chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Sergey Kirichenko became the army general, the colonels general - the first deputy chiefs of the General Staff G. Vorobyov and Tsitsyursky N.N., four became lieutenant generals, 15 became major generals and three became rear admirals. Total 25 people.
        1. Grbear
          Grbear 29 March 2014 14: 05
          +3
          The statistics are old, but interesting ...

          To it would add the salaries in $ and there would be a full "paragraph". (+)
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 29 March 2014 19: 02
          +2
          Zhoshzh Seryoga! interesting to read you, come on! hi
  11. Humpty
    Humpty 29 March 2014 12: 37
    +1
    The Chinese sell for scrap.
    1. HAM
      HAM 29 March 2014 13: 02
      +4
      And where did you see the bad Chinese?
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 29 March 2014 17: 27
        0
        Quote: HAM
        And where did you see the bad Chinese?


        In China . There are no less fools than everywhere else. And they willingly buy "ferrous metal" for processing.
        Ukraine Varyag sold them at the price of scrap metal.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 March 2014 18: 12
          +8
          I got acquainted with the history of the submarine, as I feel sorry for it for the needles. Built in Leningrad at the Novoadmiralteysky plant. Launched on May 29, 1970. The USSR Navy entered the designation B-435 on January 20, 1971 and in February 1971 it was included in the Northern Fleet of the USSR Navy [1]. For 20 years of service as part of the Navy of the USSR, she made 14 long trips [2]. The submarine repeatedly served in the Atlantic Ocean, the Mediterranean and the Barents Seas, took part in large-scale exercises of the USSR Navy, and paid friendly visits to Cuba, Morocco, Syria [1].

          In 1971, she visited Havana, in 1977, in the process of military service, paid a visit to Tunisia. In the summer of 1990, she transferred to the Black Sea via inland waterways, on August 27 she became a member of the Black Sea Fleet, and was enrolled in the 153rd brigade of the 14th submarine division. Based in the southern bay of Sevastopol.

          In 1997, when the USSR Black Sea Fleet was divided between Russia and Ukraine, the B-435 was transferred to Ukraine and received the name U01 Zaporozhye (Ukrainian. Zaporizhzhia) [2]. On August 1, 1997, when the Navy Day was celebrated for the first time in Sevastopol, on the Grafskaya Wharf, the commander of the submarine, 3rd-rank captain Ivan Dzhemela, from the hands of the Minister of Defense solemnly received the Naval flag consecrated in Vladimir Cathedral in Kiev [1].
          1. Lissyara
            Lissyara 29 March 2014 23: 53
            +1
            Sanya, hi!
            It’s not to blame the ship, it’s to blame, which brought the army and navy to such a level (they say there is no plinth below, but, as it turned out, there is a depth with a minus and a trim in the center).
            It's just that the theme of the fleet is dear to the memory of the father, but to bring it to a state of amusing flotilla (as under Peter, but only combat units grew from the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments).
            About the Air Force APU modestly missed ....
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 30 March 2014 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            somehow sorry for her needles

            You can make a museum ship or a monument ship.
            After all, in Sevastopol they will revive Nakhimovskoye, so give them to them.
            And you can, like "Sedov" on the go, leave young submariners to cook on it.
  12. Mihail177
    Mihail177 29 March 2014 12: 38
    +3
    Give to the museum as a monument to the Khokhlyatsk nezalezhnosti, sailors-Ukrainians let them go sightseeing!wink
  13. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 29 March 2014 12: 42
    +3
    In this state, almost all Ukrainian equipment. I understand Putin, why do we need this trash.
  14. kelevra
    kelevra 29 March 2014 12: 43
    +6
    I already wanted to cry when I saw this boat!
  15. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 29 March 2014 12: 46
    +2
    And why the US armed serf? They can throw up modern weapons only if their mongrel cannot bite anyone on their own by order of the owner. Or who thought differently about the outcome of the collapse of the Union?
  16. alex47russ
    alex47russ 29 March 2014 12: 47
    +1
    Must be disposed of! True, why torment her! Better yet, restore and make a museum out of it !!!
  17. Cossacks
    Cossacks 29 March 2014 12: 47
    +4
    I recalled the footage of 72 meters - Comrades submariners today, we swear allegiance to Ukraine .... In flying, but what about mother-in-law.
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara 29 March 2014 17: 39
      +9
      Taki remind ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 29 March 2014 19: 08
        +1
        good class Seryoga ... hi
  18. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 29 March 2014 12: 48
    +1
    Give it to me - in a month there will not be a single piece of iron!
  19. Cristall
    Cristall 29 March 2014 12: 53
    +1
    Well, she’s been to the museum for a long time .. I’m interested in returning the BOD, RTOs and the communications ship. The rest is not too bad. Yes, and Odessa is not enough for everyone - tea is not Sevastopol.
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara 29 March 2014 13: 00
      +2
      There was no BOD in the Ukrainian Navy, and apparently never will be. In the Soviet Navy, the Black Sea Fleet included "Komsomolets Ukrainy", "Kerch", "Fast" and "Restrained". Only "Kerch" remained in the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
    2. Field
      Field 29 March 2014 13: 33
      +4
      Do you need it?
  20. Baloo
    Baloo 29 March 2014 12: 54
    +2
    Of course the museum, as a reflection of the current state of Ukraine.
  21. fly fishing
    fly fishing 29 March 2014 12: 54
    +1
    Will she reach Odessa on her own ?! I am doubting winked
  22. novobranets
    novobranets 29 March 2014 12: 57
    +23
    The Russian Navy is ready to transfer the boat to the Navy for its disposal - but the ardent desire of the Ukrainian fleet to return the prodigal daughter is doubtful
    There are two crests on a country road. Suddenly, one had a stomach, he was in the bushes. Five minutes later, he shouts to a friend:
    - Gritsko, do you have dumb papers?
    - Mikola, why the sho it is tobi, lay in a ditch. laughing
    1. delfinN
      delfinN 29 March 2014 13: 32
      +14
      - Look, Rabinovich appeared again, but some kind of sad?
      - Still would! Six months ago, after listening to Yanukovych about joining Europe, he, for a lot of money, urgently bought Ukrainian citizenship and a house in the Crimea ... And the day before yesterday he was again joyfully handed a Russian passport !!!!

      - The Verkhovna Rada dissolved the Crimean parliament!
      - That way and the Martian Parliament will dissolve ..
      - There is no parliament on Mars!
      - Already dismissed?
  23. jPilot
    jPilot 29 March 2014 12: 59
    +1
    Yes, put it up for auction, I think everyone who wants to be found, also earn money on the restoration.
  24. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 12: 59
    +2
    "Zaporozhye" must be sent to Zaporozhye, there they will drink and float it
  25. Alexanderrr
    Alexanderrr 29 March 2014 13: 00
    +2
    Quote: LiSSyara
    There is an underwater fleet in Ukraine!

    "Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" - how old is this saying!
  26. nnz226
    nnz226 29 March 2014 13: 02
    +8
    And I was still wondering why the St. Andrew's flag was raised over the "Zaparizh" ?! Floating scrap metal! To be towed to the horses of the Northern Bay, there "Vtorchermet" in Inkerman will gladly take her into the arms of its cutting units.
    1. SSR
      SSR 29 March 2014 15: 30
      +3
      Quote: nnz226
      And I was still wondering why the St. Andrew's flag was raised over the "Zaparizh" ?! Floating scrap metal! To be towed to the horses of the Northern Bay, there "Vtorchermet" in Inkerman will gladly take her into the arms of its cutting units.

      But you can rejoice for the submariners, now they will get a new boat and finally begin to serve and not engage in any garbage, it’s scary to imagine what kind of hard labor it is to go to the service and pretend that you are serving and really try not to drown
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 29 March 2014 17: 51
        +3
        Not a new boat will be received, but the Navy submarines will become the crews of the new Russian Black Sea Fleet submarines. The main thing is that, as in a joke, it does not work out:
        "One is a partisan,
        two Ukrainians-partisan detachment,
        three Ukrainians partisan detachment with a traitor "
        I am sure of the percentages at 99 that there are no graduates of the USSR Higher School.
        But in Ukrainian it sounds great - pidvdny choven "Zaporizhzhya".
        1. SSR
          SSR 29 March 2014 18: 33
          0
          So there are not Russian but Russian))).
          Ps
          I also really hope that people will not be disappointed.
  27. Giant thought
    Giant thought 29 March 2014 13: 04
    +2
    Like an old suitcase without a handle, it’s hard to carry and leave it a pity - the Navy command thought so. As a result, we got a museum exhibit, we had to drive people and show how not to handle the equipment.
  28. Alll1
    Alll1 29 March 2014 13: 05
    +2
    Barrel on v. O. recently "I am especially offended for our podldka, so much effort was invested in it, the repair is almost finished ..." - something like that, well, give this floating craft, there will be less talk.
  29. Kaetani
    Kaetani 29 March 2014 13: 06
    +5
    The photo in the article is at least old, before modernization.
    This creates an unhealthy feeling - as if she was standing at the berth wall.
    But in fact it is slave-able. There are two submarines at the Black Sea Fleet now - and while the resource is throwing it at a scrap is at least silly.
    Euphoria came early. There is still a lot of work ahead. New submarines will come - you can write off, but not earlier.
    Launching 29 May 1970
    Current status In service
    Main characteristics
    Ship Type Large DPL
    Project designation 641 project
    NATO Foxtrot Classification
    Speed ​​(surface) of 16 knots
    Speed ​​(Underwater) 15 Knots
    Operating depth immersion 250 m
    Extreme depth of immersion 280 m
    The autonomy of swimming 90 day
    Crew 83 rights
    dimensions
    Surface displacement 1 952 t
    Underwater displacement 2 475 t
    The greatest length (on KVL) 91,3 m
    The width of the body naib. 7,4 m
    Average draft (on design waterline) 5,9 m
    weaponry
    Torpedo
    mine armaments of 6 bow and 4 stern TA caliber 533 mm, 22 torpedoes or 32 mines

    Submarine "Alrosa"
    Launching 10 September 1989
    Current status as part of the Navy Black Sea Fleet
    Main characteristics
    Ship Type Multipurpose DPL
    Designation of the 877 project "Halibut"
    NATO classification “Kilo-II”
    Speed ​​(surface) of 10 knots
    Speed ​​(Underwater) 17 Knots
    Operating depth immersion 240 m
    Extreme depth of immersion 300 m
    The autonomy of swimming 45 day
    Crew of 52 people, including 12 officers
    dimensions
    Surface displacement 2300 t
    Underwater displacement 3950 t
    The greatest length (on KVL) 76,2 m
    The width of the body naib. 9,9 m
    Average draft (on design waterline) 6,2 m
    Power point
    Diesel-electric with full electric movement.
    2 diesel generator according to 1000 — 1500 kW; main motor 4 050 - 5 500 hp 190 hp power-saving electric motor, two 102 hp backup motors, one low-noise experimental water jet, 2 rechargeable batteries according to 120 cells
    weaponry
    Torpedo
    mine armament 6 nasal TA caliber 533 mm, normally charged, with automatic loading, 18 torpedoes or 24 mines
    Air defense MANPADS "Strela-ZM" or "Needle-1"
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara 29 March 2014 13: 22
      +4
      Eugene, please joke? Joined the 1970. I wrote an opus about an underwater ram on a K-306 KSF boat. So, she is my age, commissioned in December 1969, 24 June 1991 year expelled from the Navy in connection with the delivery to the OFI for dismantling and disposal, and in Gremikha Bay (Ostrovnoy) was joked.
      And this is an atomic ship.
      How long does it take to be "brain-twisted" to serve on a 44-year-old boat?
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      2. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 29 March 2014 14: 19
        +2
        Everything is so, only K-308, not 306 ................... 670 project "Skat". I confirm that I myself served in Gremikha for a long time!
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 29 March 2014 15: 49
          0
          Yes, yes, I apologize, K-306, three hundred and eighth Pacific Fleet
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      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 March 2014 23: 08
        +1
        Quote: LiSSyara
        How long does it take to be "brain-twisted" to serve on a 44-year-old boat?

        He passed an internship in Sevastopol in 1985 on the submarine submarine of project 641-Buki, which the day before returned from a military campaign. During the campaign, the submarine had about five "contacts" with Turkish ships. The sailors proudly showed photos of Turkish ships taken through the Zenit periscope. Prior to that, the DPL of the 641st project went on a campaign. There was not a single "contact" during the trip.
        In the yard of the 2014th ....
  30. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 13: 11
    +3
    Quote: nnz226
    To be towed to the horses of the Northern Bay, there "Vtorchermet" in Inkerman will gladly take her into the arms of its cutting machines.

    Gas cutters have the same nightmare every night - the submarine "Zaporozhye" cannot be towed to them in any way, then the tug bursts, then the boat runs aground, then it starts to sink and waking up screaming they realize that this street is just a dream :-)
  31. G8K
    G8K 29 March 2014 13: 13
    +1
    A submarine in the steppes of Ukraine is no longer a joke laughing
  32. sv68
    sv68 29 March 2014 13: 15
    +3
    give it to the Ukrainians, so they will drive the boat back and they will blackmail us, buy or flood laughing
  33. Ross
    Ross 29 March 2014 13: 15
    +3
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    To give to Ukraine in Odessa is a risk. And if you beat off from the tug? This will be a whole drama for Ukraine.

    This is the whole feature of a true Ukrainian. What I do not eat, I will bite. There is no submarine fleet, but I want to. Not solid as something for the great Ukrov, even the "ancestors" of the submarine fleet without submarine forces. So they contain a bucket. Although it is scary to start a hike, it is easier to dive than to surface.
    It is imperative to tow them to Odessa, so that their sick pride does not hurt. As long as the Zaporozhye submarine choln stands at the wall, Ukraine will be proud of the presence of submarine forces in the Ukrainian Navy.
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  34. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 29 March 2014 13: 17
    +1
    But don't they want to tow it to the Zvezdochka shipyard in the Murmansk region for disposal !!!
    After all, it is "Zvezdochka" that deals with the disposal of both nuclear and diesel submarines in Russia !!!
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 29 March 2014 14: 52
      +2
      And how to transport it to Murmansk? Will it cost you more?
  35. NDR-791
    NDR-791 29 March 2014 13: 18
    +9
    The 44 boat of the year, of which 15 years the boat did not carry out routine maintenance at all.
    For a ship on which 15 has not been regulations for years, the boat looks great.
    In general, the idea of ​​a Cold War maritime museum in the Balaklava repair dock area on the Black Sea makes sense. These are not Kamchatka cemeteries. It is easier for people to go here, and Crimea has financial support.
    1. Fanat1984
      Fanat1984 29 March 2014 17: 44
      +1
      It looks like a cross - this is thanks to the country of the manufacturer! And the Cold War along the way has not yet ended ... sad
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 30 March 2014 12: 57
      0
      it was thoroughly repaired in 2012, about which 15 years the author speaks - it is not clear. And it does not look like the author’s picture. On the face of a clear distortion of facts.
      1. Amet Khan Sultan
        Amet Khan Sultan 31 March 2014 10: 48
        0
        this is a photograph of the period when the boat was being repaired, it is evident that another author simply could not find it. They showed it on TV, it looks not bad, outwardly, and there the devil knows what is inside her. just would not return.
  36. tnship2
    tnship2 29 March 2014 13: 24
    +2
    Post an ad like: Scrap metal is cheap. Pickup from Crimea. China will pay a good price and build a couple of nuclear powered ships.
  37. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 March 2014 13: 25
    +2
    We from Ukraine need the supply of power plants for frigates under construction pr.11356, like 4 more sets. Apparently, on the security of guaranteed deliveries they will give 4 MPCs, well, the rest of the trash.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 29 March 2014 13: 31
      +1
      That's it, trash and give. A few days ago I saw on Life News how the Ukrainian coat of arms was carefully removed from the rubberized cabin and the Russian coat of arms was hung.
      Just did not show with which - from Alrosa or from Zaporozhye.
      1. kostya-petrov
        kostya-petrov 29 March 2014 13: 36
        0
        so Alrosa is the same Russian DEPL project 636 !!! But Zaporozhye is Ukrainian !!!
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  38. konvalval
    konvalval 29 March 2014 13: 36
    +5
    Good punishment came up with Putin and Shoigu MO Ukriny. All weapons from the Crimea to give back. At first they mocked me while taking it away, now they give it back, let them suffer further with it. As they say a woman with a cart, mares are easier.
  39. maiman
    maiman 29 March 2014 13: 37
    +3
    Leave in Russia, as well as many Zaporozhets who are crawling around the country, just look and brush away a mean tear to a severe submariner
  40. Leshka
    Leshka 29 March 2014 13: 37
    +3
    what for you can give as a museum laughing
  41. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 29 March 2014 13: 43
    -3
    Is it not possible to send this multipurpose attack submarine to the Zvezdochka shipyard so that the Yagrinsky shipbuilders modernize and install new strike weapons on it ?!
  42. Lissyara
    Lissyara 29 March 2014 13: 44
    +43
    And they were given this scarecrow in the form of a Navy commander as a present. Irrevocably and free of charge.
    1. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 29 March 2014 15: 20
      +1
      How would we not have to pay extra ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 29 March 2014 19: 12
        +2
        I’m ready to make a modest amount, if only IT is a candidate of general education .... lol
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        2. Lissyara
          Lissyara 29 March 2014 23: 59
          0
          To Hayropu him. So that his admiral's pants on the British flag would be torn with leather daggers winked
    2. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 29 March 2014 15: 20
      0
      How would we not have to pay extra ...
    3. dedvictor
      dedvictor 29 March 2014 15: 58
      +1
      Have fun! Pretty. Thank you.
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    5. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 30 March 2014 03: 14
      +2
      Wow vice asshole laughing uncompensated fleet of homosexuals
  43. TAHK_4000
    TAHK_4000 29 March 2014 13: 47
    +1
    That's right.
  44. polite people
    polite people 29 March 2014 13: 47
    0
    And can use it as a museum of the Navy for children.
  45. polite people
    polite people 29 March 2014 13: 48
    +5
    And can use it as a museum of the Navy for children. To tint. Podshamanit. Like Aurora in St. Petersburg.
  46. Lelek
    Lelek 29 March 2014 13: 50
    +10
    Anyone can offend a piece of iron. soldier
  47. sub307
    sub307 29 March 2014 14: 01
    +9
    Given the "moment" - the practical complete absence of submarine combat units in the CFRF, in my opinion, it is better not to rush into the final write-off of the boat. Reasons: underwent repairs, started working out tasks at sea, raised the flag of the Russian Navy. Until the actual receipt of the new promised for the Black Sea Fleet 636, it may well be used for its intended purpose with restrictions. For the defense of the coast, the bases .... the charging station, the TCB from it "squeeze" finally. And, in order to specifically "procrastinate" the topic, you need to really know the technical state (not relying on the "opinion" of idle journalists, or "experts" who have thrown in "their unfounded" opinion "through the same journalists).
    It's never too late to "shoot".
    1. Poldol
      Poldol 29 March 2014 16: 33
      +3
      Quote: sub307
      Given the "moment" - the practical complete absence of submarine combat units in the CFRF, in my opinion, it is better not to rush into the final write-off of the boat. Reasons: underwent repairs, started working out tasks at sea, raised the flag of the Russian Navy. Until the actual receipt of the new promised for the Black Sea Fleet 636, it may well be used for its intended purpose with restrictions. For the defense of the coast, the bases .... the charging station, the TCB from it "squeeze" finally. And, in order to specifically "procrastinate" the topic, you need to really know the technical state (not relying on the "opinion" of idle journalists, or "experts" who have thrown in "their unfounded" opinion "through the same journalists).
      It's never too late to "shoot".

      I, of course, wildly apologize, but, would you personally dare to take it to the open sea? Body metal is over 50 years old! Even civilian iron vessels of this age will not be released into the sea by any maritime inspection. And you - "to supply weapons" ...
  48. Signaller
    Signaller 29 March 2014 14: 03
    +2
    We now have Theodosius with their naval arsenal. Well, it’s necessary to test specific missiles and shells for targets. Ready target. Still swimming. Drain the solarium. disinfect, so that the sea does not pollute, hang corner reflectors in a good way. And it is possible without them, like STELS, which is also interesting. In short, it can serve the benefit of the newly acquired homeland. Well, if you fill it with foam inside. then a generally unsinkable submarine. At least a dozen or two dozen missiles will take over. Until it falls apart.
  49. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 29 March 2014 14: 06
    +1
    Well, firstly, the photo of the submarine is old.
    Second, by rustling through the pages of news sites, you can see that they are linking to an "internal source". Well, very reliable lol .
  50. Gagarin
    Gagarin 29 March 2014 14: 11
    +11
    How many ridicule and insulting about the state of "Zaporozhye" they wrote, sorry for the ship, not his fault.
    GUILTY DUAL OWNERS.
    1. Afinogen
      Afinogen 29 March 2014 15: 02
      +3
      Quote: Gagarin
      How many ridicule and insulting about the state of "Zaporozhye" they wrote, sorry for the ship, not his fault.
      GUILTY DUAL OWNERS.

      The mockery is addressed to the owners, and if without jokes it would be necessary to make a museum out of the boat, put it in order, because it went out to sea and the best years the boat knew when we lived together as one family and did not poke a finger who speaks what language. Such a museum would be popular with tourists.
    2. olegkrava
      olegkrava 29 March 2014 15: 02
      +1
      You are completely right.
    3. svp67
      svp67 29 March 2014 15: 19
      +1
      Quote: Gagarin
      GUILTY DUAL OWNERS.

      Hurry - GREEDY