"If it were a horse, I would have shot it ..."

The Black Sea Fleet refuses to stop the ship "Zaporozhzhya. The technical condition of Zaporozhye is catastrophic. Boat 44 of the year, of which 15 years on it did not carry out maintenance work at all. Sick animals in this state more mercifully put to sleep.

The Russian Navy is ready to transfer the boat to the Navy for its disposal - but the ardent desire of the Ukrainian is doubtful fleet to return the prodigal daughter - having relocated to Odessa, the remnants of the Ukrainian fleet fell into completely unsuitable conditions - both for ships, and for their crews and coastal services. Most likely, the dubious acquisition will remain the headache of Russia.

The crew was asked to undergo retraining and continue to serve on one of the 4 submarines currently under construction in Russia.

Comments

[Nevsky_ZU]

To give to Ukraine in Odessa is a risk. And if you beat off from the tug? This will be a whole drama for Ukraine.

[120352]

We must not give, but sell it to Ukraine as our trophy, but more expensive. And then their business: a tugboat, a grinder, a jigsaw, a sledgehammer - anything, but not in our territory. Garbage after itself all the same will not be removed.

[W1950]

Russia has long utilized the boats of this project.

[jjj]

Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum

[Rostovchanin]

Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum

This object needs to be restored !!! He is unique !!! in the world of such on the fingers of one hand !!!

[Sergey S.]

Support.
The ships were very good.
They served our fleet perfectly, including in the Mediterranean Sea.
And in Sevastopol there are conditions for the maintenance of such a museum, and tourists will certainly be found.
But for the sake of the museum, I would have pulled her ashore.
In general, the idea: to pull ashore the old decommissioned floating dock, cover it with a roof, and inside put a boat - a witness to many events.

[iConst]

Quote: Sergey S.

But for the sake of the museum, I would have pulled her ashore.

Yes! History is the future. If people forget the past, then they have no future.

[alexgrin]

And all Russian! Sweden alone has that miserable likeness!

[OST_51RU]

There were a lot of such unique objects throughout the union. Another thing is their condition at present - almost all are abandoned and plundered. But the idea is really very good - the underground base of the submarine, carved into the rock with a repair plant and a dock. There were even for the nuclear submarines.

[jjj]

Quote: Rostovchanin

This object needs to be restored !!! He is unique !!

New boats won't fit there

[Altona]

And even if they fit, the capabilities of high-precision weapons will nullify the grotto’s capabilities and make it a collective cemetery with one blow ...

[Simonov]

This is not a grotto, but a tunnel with two exits. It can easily accommodate 5-6 boats of the "Lada" type. The tunnel is difficult to hit, it is possible only if the missile is accurately approaching the tunnel opening. You won't be able to fly up at high speed either - a complex profile of the surrounding landscape.

[Simonov]

This object is not a grotto, but a tunnel with two entrances. It can easily accommodate 6-7 boats of the Lada type. It is extremely difficult to hit an object with high-precision weapons at high speed due to the complex profile of the surrounding landscape. And the air defense and missile defense systems are not asleep.

[Civil]

what a good shelter!

[Yuri Sev Caucasus]

it's hard to disagree with you the only boat that sailed in the steppes of Ukraine :-)

[Slavkovich]

In Kaliningrad, the Museum of the World Ocean has such an exhibit. If my memory serves me, in 98, he was transferred to the Museum with the Baltic Fleet. So the idea is gut. Here is the link: http: //world-ocean.ru/b-413

[smile]

Slavkovich
Exactly, we have this in Pregeli. All guests are compulsory driven there. :)))

[Ulysses]

Uh-huh.
And an urgent dive is made with the opening of the Kingstones.
Our river has two names that are equally used.
Pregel and Pregolya.
"Pregels" in Kaliningrad-Koenig have never been.
Please follow the toponomy of the names.
In order not to be ashamed of the members of the forum.

[alexng]

Quote: Slavkovich

In Kaliningrad, the Museum of the World Ocean has such an exhibit.

I visited this museum and walked through this boat through all the compartments. I admire the submariners who served on such a boat. The places are so limited and small that you are amazed, and how they rested there. Especially in the compartments of torpedo tubes, almost directly on the torpedoes. Respect and my respect!

[Ulysses]

We have in Kaliningrad.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Б-413

[Villas]

Unfortunately, this object does not fit modern submarines; they are much larger in size.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Rostovchanin

This object needs to be restored !!! He is unique !!! in the world of such on the fingers of one hand !!!

This is correct, but now it cannot be used, it is no longer suitable for new generation submarines and requires radical restructuring, modernization. In any case, you should think carefully before restoring it.

[Sergey S.]

In the Balaklava rock factory will not fit.
If only at the very entrance to put, where is the protective batoport.

[Nick]

Quote: jjj

Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum

But this, unlike the previous ones, is a sensible proposal. Museum of the World Cup. I think there will be many excursionists. Crimean leadership note.

[asar]

Of course, it’s better to make a museum! nefig Ukraine!

[Lelek]

The base in Balaclava is a unique structure, but it fell into filthy hands. I declare authoritatively since participated in the construction.

[starpom]

Quote: jjj

Bring to the base that is cut down in the rocks and make a museum

She won't go in there. Only 613 projects passed. Even 633, who came from the North, could not be dragged (and he will be smaller than 641)

[Nikita_Pilot]

Maybe it is better to restore to a normal state and make a combat training?

[kotyara]

And what is this project?

[Fiero]

Project 641

[Combitor]

Quote: W1950

Russia has long utilized the boats of this project.

<The Black Sea Fleet refuses to chovna "Zaporizhzhia">
After reading this phrase I thought that in the word the letter was replaced. Then I remembered that it was Ukrainian.

[Interface]

Do not grinder. Launching will be left as a museum exhibit. Let the excursions drive better.

[mad]

And they show to what state you can bring your armed forces if you hang your ears in front of the "good" State Department.

[Lelek]

And they tell the children that Ukraine once had a navy.

[Ulairy]

prkh ... Glory to the Fleet of Uraina !, hrmp ... sorry, could not resist

[Lazy]

It is better then all the remnants (or remains) of the nationalized former Ukrainian fleet, with the exception of a few normal ships, simply exchange for Sagaidachnogo. He doesn’t need them anyway, but at least their fleet will create the appearance of existence quantitatively -)))

[skrgar]

Present to the Russian "fifth column" with Navalny .. with the obligation to carry out a campaign on it to the glory of the western dermocracy .. round the world .. without calls to ports. And bases.))

[gispanec]

Quote: 120352

And then their business: a tugboat, a grinder, a jigsaw, a sledgehammer - anything, but not in our territory. Garbage after itself all the same will not be removed

Enough for you ... I’ll be happy to dispose of it .... since no matter what experience ... by the way, I’m going to Kerch .... we specialize in recycling floating materials ...)) ... and even money for we pay it ... please do not confuse with the creditation of the Russian Navy !!!!

[zanoza]

Returning to \ technology Ukraine, we support its metallurgy ....
Metal - a second life!

[svetlomor]

It is necessary to make a museum of the Ukrainian Navy in it, which fleet is such a museum.

[Lissyara]

- The crew! Urgent immersion!
- And where is our boat?
- And we are without a boat!
"72 meters"

[Rus2012]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

To give to Ukraine to Odessa is a risk.

Of course!
Once again, I have to transfer from Odessa ... and nowhere ... the seas on the Square will not remain ... if only in the steppe :)))))))

[Poldol]

The stolen has no diesel fuel to tow this "boat" to Odessa. The last solarium on Sagaidachny was poured. And that will soon be over. They will make a museum out of it.

[Altona]

Quote: PolDol

The stolen has no diesel fuel to tow this "boat" to Odessa. The last solarium on Sagaidachny was poured.

----------------
And I thought, you can fill with bacon and vodka ... And otozh ...)))

[predator.3]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Give to Ukraine to Odessa,

And where from Odessa? in the steppe ?!

[vo.dum]

What do you think to yourself again ??? Creep in a city close to me ??? Then we clean up ourselves ... Odessa is a Russian city and there is nothing to litter our future base ... ish ...

[platitsyn70]

To give to Ukraine in Odessa is a risk. And if you beat off from the tug? This will be a whole drama for Ukraine.

Ukraine will say sell to the Chinese on metal, and return the money to us.

[aviamed90]

But what about the famous saying:

"Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" ???

It must be justified!

[Klibanophoros]

They did repairs on it! ?? They sawed half, of course, but did they seem to bring it to a running state or not?

[Combitor]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

It will be a whole drama

Ukraine can not give a boat. Still, what good, put into operation. God forbid, drown. How many people will die. The boat must be left in Russia. Firstly, we will save human lives, and secondly, it can be used as a museum or a training simulator.

[Afinogen]

This boat seems to be able to do another dive, the last one.

[svp67]

Quote: Athenogen

This boat seems to be able to do another dive, the last one.

Well, in 2012, she was able to plunge and even emerge, this day, almost became - the day of submerging the Ukrainian Navy ...
Here it is after repair

And here is the day of HISTORICAL immersion

DIVING

HEROIC EXPLOSION

[Lissyara]

Well this is how many diapers had to be lime

[Afinogen]

Quote: svp67

Well, in 2012, she was able to plunge and even emerge,

Well, if that’s the case, and she swam in without help,
then she will still serve, sell it to Colombian cartels, let cocaine be shipped to America.

[nogBogHuk]

HERE so we walked

[Ulairy]

Did Poseidon kick her?

[RND]

Quote: Athenogen

This boat seems to be able to do another dive, the last one.

Crew list: Panov Yaytsenyukh, Turchinov, Klitschko, Yarosh ... As stewardesses - Panna Julia, Farion ...

[delfinN]

To give everything and not to bathe

[120352]

PionErov send there nasty. Let them carry out the plan for the collection of scrap metal and in social competitions they defeat everyone in a row.

[Vyacheslav 64]

It is a sin to laugh at a rusty fleet :)

[mamont5]

Quote: Vyacheslav 64

It is a sin to laugh at a rusty fleet :)

They themselves asked for it.

[svp67]

The Russian Navy is ready to transfer the boat to the Navy for its disposal

Only not so - Russia returns the property of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, left (abandoned) by them in the Crimea ... That is to say - a gesture of goodwill, we do not need someone else's "good", all the more this is not necessary ...

If it was a horse, I would shoot it ...

I'm sorry for the cartridges - she will die ...

[ZU-23]

Open next to this boat scrap metal reception, its syneboda will be torn in a week

[wasjasibirjac]

yesterday they showed that Putin allowed Shoigu to return arms to Ukraine, including aircraft and ship personnel. drive to the port and leave there.

[Serg 122]

Putin allowed Shoigu to return arms to Ukraine, including aircraft and ship
Yes, but only the one who did not go over to the side of Russia. In general, a good thing is to drive them to Odessa all the non-self-propelled trash and throw it in the roadstead (you can submerge it). And "Sagaidachny" will rot in this bay ...

[mamontoff1981]

The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue. It can be used as a museum exhibit for excursions,

[ZU-23]

Quote: mamontoff1981

The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue. Can be used as a museum exhibit for excursions

And tell on an excursion about her terrible rusty Ukrainian fate

[Ulairy]

..p ha ha, hrm, ... back, glory to the Ukrainian fleet!

[levandos]

To make of it a monument about the mournful memory of the Armed Forces

[Lissyara]

There is an underwater fleet in Ukraine!

[APASUS]

Quote: LiSSyara

There is an underwater fleet in Ukraine!

Well, Ukraine was the headquarters of underwater operations, where a bunch of generals were wiping their pants ............ well, for one treasury they lowered for money!

[Lissyara]

The statistics are old, but interesting ...
Despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine in comparison with 1992 were reduced by about 4 times, over fourteen years the rank of General of the Army 5 was assigned to the Generals, Colonel General 34, Lieutenant General 147, Major General 451 , not counting about two dozen rear admirals, vice admirals and admirals. Thus, in the Ukrainian army for 15 years, 637 general ranks were awarded. And although some decrees were never found on the presidential website, but this figure (with an error of no more than 5% upward) gives an idea of ​​the dynamics of the assignment of general ranks in the Armed Forces.
In 2005, the president was given the 21 general title, of which 7 people became lieutenant generals, 13 people became major generals and one became rear admiral, plus 7 people received the title Major General 6 on December.
In 2006, five were awarded the rank of lieutenant general, fifteen - the rank of major general and one - rear admiral.
In 2007 the chief of the General Staff - the commander in chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Sergey Kirichenko became the army general, the colonels general - the first deputy chiefs of the General Staff G. Vorobyov and Tsitsyursky N.N., four became lieutenant generals, 15 became major generals and three became rear admirals. Total 25 people.

[Grbear]

The statistics are old, but interesting ...

To it would add the salaries in $ and there would be a full "paragraph". (+)

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Zhoshzh Seryoga! interesting to read you, come on!

[Humpty]

The Chinese sell for scrap.

[HAM]

And where did you see the bad Chinese?

[Humpty]

Quote: HAM

And where did you see the bad Chinese?

In China . There are no less fools than everywhere else. And they willingly buy "ferrous metal" for processing.
Ukraine Varyag sold them at the price of scrap metal.

[Alex 241]

I got acquainted with the history of the submarine, as I feel sorry for it for the needles. Built in Leningrad at the Novoadmiralteysky plant. Launched on May 29, 1970. The USSR Navy entered the designation B-435 on January 20, 1971 and in February 1971 it was included in the Northern Fleet of the USSR Navy [1]. For 20 years of service as part of the Navy of the USSR, she made 14 long trips [2]. The submarine repeatedly served in the Atlantic Ocean, the Mediterranean and the Barents Seas, took part in large-scale exercises of the USSR Navy, and paid friendly visits to Cuba, Morocco, Syria [1].

In 1971, she visited Havana, in 1977, in the process of military service, paid a visit to Tunisia. In the summer of 1990, she transferred to the Black Sea via inland waterways, on August 27 she became a member of the Black Sea Fleet, and was enrolled in the 153rd brigade of the 14th submarine division. Based in the southern bay of Sevastopol.

In 1997, when the USSR Black Sea Fleet was divided between Russia and Ukraine, the B-435 was transferred to Ukraine and received the name U01 Zaporozhye (Ukrainian. Zaporizhzhia) [2]. On August 1, 1997, when the Navy Day was celebrated for the first time in Sevastopol, on the Grafskaya Wharf, the commander of the submarine, 3rd-rank captain Ivan Dzhemela, from the hands of the Minister of Defense solemnly received the Naval flag consecrated in Vladimir Cathedral in Kiev [1].

[Lissyara]

Sanya, hi!
It’s not to blame the ship, it’s to blame, which brought the army and navy to such a level (they say there is no plinth below, but, as it turned out, there is a depth with a minus and a trim in the center).
It's just that the theme of the fleet is dear to the memory of the father, but to bring it to a state of amusing flotilla (as under Peter, but only combat units grew from the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments).
About the Air Force APU modestly missed ....

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Alex 241

somehow sorry for her needles

You can make a museum ship or a monument ship.
After all, in Sevastopol they will revive Nakhimovskoye, so give them to them.
And you can, like "Sedov" on the go, leave young submariners to cook on it.

[Mihail177]

Give to the museum as a monument to the Khokhlyatsk nezalezhnosti, sailors-Ukrainians let them go sightseeing!

[Bobxnumx]

In this state, almost all Ukrainian equipment. I understand Putin, why do we need this trash.

[kelevra]

I already wanted to cry when I saw this boat!

[Ivan 63]

And why the US armed serf? They can throw up modern weapons only if their mongrel cannot bite anyone on their own by order of the owner. Or who thought differently about the outcome of the collapse of the Union?

[alex47russ]

Must be disposed of! True, why torment her! Better yet, restore and make a museum out of it !!!

[Cossacks]

I recalled the footage of 72 meters - Comrades submariners today, we swear allegiance to Ukraine .... In flying, but what about mother-in-law.

[Lissyara]

Taki remind ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

class Seryoga ...

[serega.fedotov]

Give it to me - in a month there will not be a single piece of iron!

[Cristall]

Well, she’s been to the museum for a long time .. I’m interested in returning the BOD, RTOs and the communications ship. The rest is not too bad. Yes, and Odessa is not enough for everyone - tea is not Sevastopol.

[Lissyara]

There was no BOD in the Ukrainian Navy, and apparently never will be. In the Soviet Navy, the Black Sea Fleet included "Komsomolets Ukrainy", "Kerch", "Fast" and "Restrained". Only "Kerch" remained in the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

[Field]

Do you need it?

[Baloo]

Of course the museum, as a reflection of the current state of Ukraine.

[fly fishing]

Will she reach Odessa on her own ?! I am doubting

[novobranets]

The Russian Navy is ready to transfer the boat to the Navy for its disposal - but the ardent desire of the Ukrainian fleet to return the prodigal daughter is doubtful

There are two crests on a country road. Suddenly, one had a stomach, he was in the bushes. Five minutes later, he shouts to a friend:
- Gritsko, do you have dumb papers?
- Mikola, why the sho it is tobi, lay in a ditch.

[delfinN]

- Look, Rabinovich appeared again, but some kind of sad?
- Still would! Six months ago, after listening to Yanukovych about joining Europe, he, for a lot of money, urgently bought Ukrainian citizenship and a house in the Crimea ... And the day before yesterday he was again joyfully handed a Russian passport !!!!

- The Verkhovna Rada dissolved the Crimean parliament!
- That way and the Martian Parliament will dissolve ..
- There is no parliament on Mars!
- Already dismissed?

[jPilot]

Yes, put it up for auction, I think everyone who wants to be found, also earn money on the restoration.

[saag]

"Zaporozhye" must be sent to Zaporozhye, there they will drink and float it

[Alexanderrr]

Quote: LiSSyara

There is an underwater fleet in Ukraine!

"Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" - how old is this saying!

[nnz226]

And I was still wondering why the St. Andrew's flag was raised over the "Zaparizh" ?! Floating scrap metal! To be towed to the horses of the Northern Bay, there "Vtorchermet" in Inkerman will gladly take her into the arms of its cutting units.

[SSR]

Quote: nnz226

And I was still wondering why the St. Andrew's flag was raised over the "Zaparizh" ?! Floating scrap metal! To be towed to the horses of the Northern Bay, there "Vtorchermet" in Inkerman will gladly take her into the arms of its cutting units.

But you can rejoice for the submariners, now they will get a new boat and finally begin to serve and not engage in any garbage, it’s scary to imagine what kind of hard labor it is to go to the service and pretend that you are serving and really try not to drown

[Lissyara]

Not a new boat will be received, but the Navy submarines will become the crews of the new Russian Black Sea Fleet submarines. The main thing is that, as in a joke, it does not work out:
"One is a partisan,
two Ukrainians-partisan detachment,
three Ukrainians partisan detachment with a traitor "
I am sure of the percentages at 99 that there are no graduates of the USSR Higher School.
But in Ukrainian it sounds great - pidvdny choven "Zaporizhzhya".

[SSR]

So there are not Russian but Russian))).
Ps
I also really hope that people will not be disappointed.

[Giant thought]

Like an old suitcase without a handle, it’s hard to carry and leave it a pity - the Navy command thought so. As a result, we got a museum exhibit, we had to drive people and show how not to handle the equipment.

[All1]

Barrel on v. O. recently "I am especially offended for our podldka, so much effort was invested in it, the repair is almost finished ..." - something like that, well, give this floating craft, there will be less talk.

[Kaetani]

The photo in the article is at least old, before modernization.
This creates an unhealthy feeling - as if she was standing at the berth wall.
But in fact it is slave-able. There are two submarines at the Black Sea Fleet now - and while the resource is throwing it at a scrap is at least silly.
Euphoria came early. There is still a lot of work ahead. New submarines will come - you can write off, but not earlier.
Launching 29 May 1970
Current status In service
Main characteristics
Ship Type Large DPL
Project designation 641 project
NATO Foxtrot Classification
Speed ​​(surface) of 16 knots
Speed ​​(Underwater) 15 Knots
Operating depth immersion 250 m
Extreme depth of immersion 280 m
The autonomy of swimming 90 day
Crew 83 rights
dimensions
Surface displacement 1 952 t
Underwater displacement 2 475 t
The greatest length (on KVL) 91,3 m
The width of the body naib. 7,4 m
Average draft (on design waterline) 5,9 m
weaponry
Torpedo
mine armaments of 6 bow and 4 stern TA caliber 533 mm, 22 torpedoes or 32 mines

Submarine "Alrosa"
Launching 10 September 1989
Current status as part of the Navy Black Sea Fleet
Main characteristics
Ship Type Multipurpose DPL
Designation of the 877 project "Halibut"
NATO classification “Kilo-II”
Speed ​​(surface) of 10 knots
Speed ​​(Underwater) 17 Knots
Operating depth immersion 240 m
Extreme depth of immersion 300 m
The autonomy of swimming 45 day
Crew of 52 people, including 12 officers
dimensions
Surface displacement 2300 t
Underwater displacement 3950 t
The greatest length (on KVL) 76,2 m
The width of the body naib. 9,9 m
Average draft (on design waterline) 6,2 m
Power point
Diesel-electric with full electric movement.
2 diesel generator according to 1000 — 1500 kW; main motor 4 050 - 5 500 hp 190 hp power-saving electric motor, two 102 hp backup motors, one low-noise experimental water jet, 2 rechargeable batteries according to 120 cells
weaponry
Torpedo
mine armament 6 nasal TA caliber 533 mm, normally charged, with automatic loading, 18 torpedoes or 24 mines
Air defense MANPADS "Strela-ZM" or "Needle-1"

[Lissyara]

Eugene, please joke? Joined the 1970. I wrote an opus about an underwater ram on a K-306 KSF boat. So, she is my age, commissioned in December 1969, 24 June 1991 year expelled from the Navy in connection with the delivery to the OFI for dismantling and disposal, and in Gremikha Bay (Ostrovnoy) was joked.
And this is an atomic ship.
How long does it take to be "brain-twisted" to serve on a 44-year-old boat?

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Everything is so, only K-308, not 306 ................... 670 project "Skat". I confirm that I myself served in Gremikha for a long time!

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Yes, yes, I apologize, K-306, three hundred and eighth Pacific Fleet

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: LiSSyara

How long does it take to be "brain-twisted" to serve on a 44-year-old boat?

He passed an internship in Sevastopol in 1985 on the submarine submarine of project 641-Buki, which the day before returned from a military campaign. During the campaign, the submarine had about five "contacts" with Turkish ships. The sailors proudly showed photos of Turkish ships taken through the Zenit periscope. Prior to that, the DPL of the 641st project went on a campaign. There was not a single "contact" during the trip.
In the yard of the 2014th ....

[saag]

Quote: nnz226

To be towed to the horses of the Northern Bay, there "Vtorchermet" in Inkerman will gladly take her into the arms of its cutting machines.

Gas cutters have the same nightmare every night - the submarine "Zaporozhye" cannot be towed to them in any way, then the tug bursts, then the boat runs aground, then it starts to sink and waking up screaming they realize that this street is just a dream :-)

[G8K]

A submarine in the steppes of Ukraine is no longer a joke

[sv68]

give it to the Ukrainians, so they will drive the boat back and they will blackmail us, buy or flood

[Ross]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

To give to Ukraine in Odessa is a risk. And if you beat off from the tug? This will be a whole drama for Ukraine.

This is the whole feature of a true Ukrainian. What I do not eat, I will bite. There is no submarine fleet, but I want to. Not solid as something for the great Ukrov, even the "ancestors" of the submarine fleet without submarine forces. So they contain a bucket. Although it is scary to start a hike, it is easier to dive than to surface.
It is imperative to tow them to Odessa, so that their sick pride does not hurt. As long as the Zaporozhye submarine choln stands at the wall, Ukraine will be proud of the presence of submarine forces in the Ukrainian Navy.

[kostya-petrov]

But don't they want to tow it to the Zvezdochka shipyard in the Murmansk region for disposal !!!
After all, it is "Zvezdochka" that deals with the disposal of both nuclear and diesel submarines in Russia !!!

[Saratoga833]

And how to transport it to Murmansk? Will it cost you more?

[NDR-791]

The 44 boat of the year, of which 15 years the boat did not carry out routine maintenance at all.
For a ship on which 15 has not been regulations for years, the boat looks great.
In general, the idea of ​​a Cold War maritime museum in the Balaklava repair dock area on the Black Sea makes sense. These are not Kamchatka cemeteries. It is easier for people to go here, and Crimea has financial support.

[Fanat1984]

It looks like a cross - this is thanks to the country of the manufacturer! And the Cold War along the way has not yet ended ...

[Mikado]

it was thoroughly repaired in 2012, about which 15 years the author speaks - it is not clear. And it does not look like the author’s picture. On the face of a clear distortion of facts.

[Amet Khan Sultan]

this is a photograph of the period when the boat was being repaired, it is evident that another author simply could not find it. They showed it on TV, it looks not bad, outwardly, and there the devil knows what is inside her. just would not return.

[tnship2]

Post an ad like: Scrap metal is cheap. Pickup from Crimea. China will pay a good price and build a couple of nuclear powered ships.

[chunga-changa]

We from Ukraine need the supply of power plants for frigates under construction pr.11356, like 4 more sets. Apparently, on the security of guaranteed deliveries they will give 4 MPCs, well, the rest of the trash.

[NDR-791]

That's it, trash and give. A few days ago I saw on Life News how the Ukrainian coat of arms was carefully removed from the rubberized cabin and the Russian coat of arms was hung.
Just did not show with which - from Alrosa or from Zaporozhye.

[kostya-petrov]

so Alrosa is the same Russian DEPL project 636 !!! But Zaporozhye is Ukrainian !!!

[konvalval]

Good punishment came up with Putin and Shoigu MO Ukriny. All weapons from the Crimea to give back. At first they mocked me while taking it away, now they give it back, let them suffer further with it. As they say a woman with a cart, mares are easier.

[Maiman]

Leave in Russia, as well as many Zaporozhets who are crawling around the country, just look and brush away a mean tear to a severe submariner

[Leshka]

what for you can give as a museum

[kostya-petrov]

Is it not possible to send this multipurpose attack submarine to the Zvezdochka shipyard so that the Yagrinsky shipbuilders modernize and install new strike weapons on it ?!

[Lissyara]

And they were given this scarecrow in the form of a Navy commander as a present. Irrevocably and free of charge.

[Akhtuba73]

How would we not have to pay extra ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I’m ready to make a modest amount, if only IT is a candidate of general education ....

[Lissyara]

To Hayropu him. So that his admiral's pants on the British flag would be torn with leather daggers

[Akhtuba73]

How would we not have to pay extra ...

[dedvictor]

Have fun! Pretty. Thank you.

[Sakhalininsk]

Wow vice asshole uncompensated fleet of homosexuals

[TAHK_4000]

That's right.

[polite people]

And can use it as a museum of the Navy for children.

[polite people]

And can use it as a museum of the Navy for children. To tint. Podshamanit. Like Aurora in St. Petersburg.

[Lelek]

Anyone can offend a piece of iron.

[sub307]

Given the "moment" - the practical complete absence of submarine combat units in the CFRF, in my opinion, it is better not to rush into the final write-off of the boat. Reasons: underwent repairs, started working out tasks at sea, raised the flag of the Russian Navy. Until the actual receipt of the new promised for the Black Sea Fleet 636, it may well be used for its intended purpose with restrictions. For the defense of the coast, the bases .... the charging station, the TCB from it "squeeze" finally. And, in order to specifically "procrastinate" the topic, you need to really know the technical state (not relying on the "opinion" of idle journalists, or "experts" who have thrown in "their unfounded" opinion "through the same journalists).
It's never too late to "shoot".

[Poldol]

Quote: sub307

Given the "moment" - the practical complete absence of submarine combat units in the CFRF, in my opinion, it is better not to rush into the final write-off of the boat. Reasons: underwent repairs, started working out tasks at sea, raised the flag of the Russian Navy. Until the actual receipt of the new promised for the Black Sea Fleet 636, it may well be used for its intended purpose with restrictions. For the defense of the coast, the bases .... the charging station, the TCB from it "squeeze" finally. And, in order to specifically "procrastinate" the topic, you need to really know the technical state (not relying on the "opinion" of idle journalists, or "experts" who have thrown in "their unfounded" opinion "through the same journalists).
It's never too late to "shoot".

I, of course, wildly apologize, but, would you personally dare to take it to the open sea? Body metal is over 50 years old! Even civilian iron vessels of this age will not be released into the sea by any maritime inspection. And you - "to supply weapons" ...

[Signaller]

We now have Theodosius with their naval arsenal. Well, it’s necessary to test specific missiles and shells for targets. Ready target. Still swimming. Drain the solarium. disinfect, so that the sea does not pollute, hang corner reflectors in a good way. And it is possible without them, like STELS, which is also interesting. In short, it can serve the benefit of the newly acquired homeland. Well, if you fill it with foam inside. then a generally unsinkable submarine. At least a dozen or two dozen missiles will take over. Until it falls apart.

[MrFYGY]

Well, firstly, the photo of the submarine is old.
Second, by rustling through the pages of news sites, you can see that they are linking to an "internal source". Well, very reliable .

[Gagarin]

How many ridicule and insulting about the state of "Zaporozhye" they wrote, sorry for the ship, not his fault.
GUILTY DUAL OWNERS.

[Afinogen]

Quote: Gagarin

How many ridicule and insulting about the state of "Zaporozhye" they wrote, sorry for the ship, not his fault.
GUILTY DUAL OWNERS.

The mockery is addressed to the owners, and if without jokes it would be necessary to make a museum out of the boat, put it in order, because it went out to sea and the best years the boat knew when we lived together as one family and did not poke a finger who speaks what language. Such a museum would be popular with tourists.

[olegkrava]

You are completely right.

[svp67]

Quote: Gagarin

GUILTY DUAL OWNERS.

Hurry - GREEDY

[cup]

donate to the fund of the National Guard of Ukraine.

[Bosk]

Raise it ashore, make a mess and leave it as a monument, otherwise just cut something like that, and then ooh and aah, soon there will be no boats of this series left at all.

[ssf2257]

You will need a lot of money, but how can you measure memory with money? I am for the DPL museum.

[Nasrat]

Give it to divers and they will use it as a base.

[Havoc]

This is what we were able to find on sites from Sevastopol. The boat has completed repairs that lasted 20 years, the hull is durable, despite its age, the boat is running.

[svp67]

Quote: Havoc

and the boat has been renovated, which lasted 20 years, the hull is durable, despite its age, the boat is running.

[Ulysses]

The dive never happened (who doesn’t know).
The cabin remained above the water.
This is called "urgent immersion in Ukrainian."

[Lissyara]

I don’t know how it is in the independent fleet, but in the Russian Navy, if there are no 2,7 cables under the keel (roughly 500m), the boat does not sink. It looks like there is generally action on the beach.
PS We don’t raise the topic about “Kursk” from 100-odd meters away. The boat was already at depth.

[smeh]

I AGREE ABOUT THE MUSEUM, I STILL GOT IT FOR A FREE

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Or maybe in Hebrew? Leave the ship in Crimea and demand rent from Ukraine for basing their fleet in Sevastopol?

[locman60]

this boat is f...metal

[individual]

Of course, this is a figurative expression “shoot”, but it is very suitable for a sick society, where the leaders of the sick “right” sector have already begun to be shot.
Example:
The music didn't play for long!

[Zomanus]

Give it to Ukraine. They captured it, took a photo with the trophy in the background and returned it. After all, there was really complete rubbish in Crimea. It was only suitable for parades.

[serohim]

don't give it back. Better drown it. So much money was laundered on it. The submarine fleet was financed, but the submarine remained at the pier.

[Submarine B-41]

Quote: Gagarin

How many ridicule and insulting about the state of "Zaporozhye" they wrote, sorry for the ship, not his fault.

I completely agree. The ship is not to blame! It has a glorious past, it is the submarine B-435 SF.
The boats of this series served their Motherland well. The boat is reliable, low noise, 22 torpedoes, including nuclear weapons, we used them for one-year autonomous missions.
It deserves to become a museum in memory of the Soviet sailors who sailed with honor under the flag of the USSR Navy, when it never occurred to anyone to look askance at this flag.

[Yuri11076]

Quote: Lelek

And they tell the children that Ukraine once had a navy.

Ukraine did not have a navy; they heroically squandered everything they got during the division of the USSR Black Sea Fleet, sold it, ruined it...

[DimDimych]

The Black Sea Fleet abandons the "Zaporizhzhya" submarine ship

[Sergey S.]

This is BENTOS - an underwater scientific laboratory.
Another unique historical artifact from the times of the USSR.
He'll definitely fit into the Balaklava rock plant.

and the cost of turning it into a museum exhibit will be very high.
And you can also put it in Sevastopol near the oceanarium.

[Artem1967]

Give all this junk to Ukraine! Why divert the necessary resources to maintain completely outdated weapons? It is much more correct to build new ships, and in large series for all fleets. Unification provides huge savings in future maintenance.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

It’s better to send this submarine to the southeast. And it’s nice for the Maidanists (to have their own fleet) and for us to gain!

[Spstas1]

I think that a more sensible proposal is to transfer the Zaporozhye submarine to the museum in Balaklava. there she will look worthy as a natural exhibit. I think that the museum staff will gratefully accept this gift and will only be happy to expand the exhibition. Museum visitors will also be sincerely happy.

[Lissyara]

Not so simple.
From the realm of fantasy, but the first nuclear-powered submarine K-3 "Leninsky Komsomol" was not cut into metal or melted down. It is located in Severodvinsk. Only the active zones in the reactor area were cut out.
So, our submariners have been fighting for 20 years to put it as a museum in the North or in St. Petersburg.

[Anton Gavrilov]

The museum is the best thing that can be done with it. The headline at the entrance to it can be made quite simply - “A submarine that has flown under three flags.”

[Indifferent]

Scrap metal costs money, and not a little. If there is no opportunity in Crimea to cut the boat for scrap, you can sell it to Turkey! They will be happy to buy there and not for small pennies. The price of scrap is about 10 rubles per ton. The boat weighs at least 000 tons. And this is 2000 million rubles. Minus cutting, minus towing. There will still be 20 million left.

[Garrin]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Giving it to Ukraine in Odessa is a risk. What if it gets away from the tug?

Send by railway.

[Agent 008]

Let me put my walrus h... on a Ukrainian submarine, no one needs it anyway!

[Vyacheslav 64]

Here comes the fleet :)

[Stinger]

No need to shoot. It’s better to make a stuffed animal of the Ukrainian submarine fleet.

[doc62]

use the noise around the coffin as a target

[awg75]

shoot the poor guy somewhere in the deep part of the Black Sea... take pity on the poor guy - give the order for euthanasia

[UPITER]

By the way, Putin showed Russian generosity and decided to help Yaitsenyuk arm the new Ukrainian Guard. Absolutely free of charge, it sends humanitarian aid from Crimea to Kyiv - captured weapons abandoned by the Ukrainian army in the bloody battle for vacant positions in the Russian army. The Ukrainian Guard will receive the Zaporizhzhya submarine into its submarine fleet absolutely free of charge. This legendary boat can and will still survive for several minutes of sailing in the event of a sudden violation of the sea borders of the Square.
Many magnificent tanks with the “Made in the USSR” emblem and quality mark are being transferred absolutely free of charge. This weapon is very necessary for today's guardsmen, who are eager to mount new equipment and go into battle as quickly as possible.
Ukrainian army soldiers recruited for service are now well fed and paid four times more than under Ukraine. Yudashkin sewed them a beautiful new military uniform absolutely free of charge.

[Gecko]

if you want to ruin a country (Ukraine) - give it a cruiser (submarine)

[andron352]

A similar boat is in the city of Visakhapatnam in India. You can go down into the boat. Nearby is a memorial in honor of the 1971 naval victory.

[andron352]

Here is the Indian boat.

[Vita_vko]

This submarine is much more valuable as a historical monument, since it is the first and only submarine of Ukraine. And its place is either on the pedestal of the Ukrainian Navy or on the pillory of a rotten army, everything is relative.

[Sergei75]

I agree with the previous speakers, the submarine is in the museum, but as a running model, even if it doesn’t dive, it floats, it will be useful for movies, otherwise it’s just not very good when the T-34/85 beats the Germans near Moscow, well, it wasn’t then it was a T-34/76, or converted from a T-44 - ala German tigers, by the way, there were no tigers near Moscow either. And there are also a bunch of “German” PT-76s, MLB, etc..

[vkrav]

Yes, on this boat for twenty years a bunch of “ukropodvodnikov” fed - they received titles, apartments, it was fashionable to retire and the “submarine fleet” ... "Zaporizhzhya" like that notorious battleship that fights by the fact of its existence ... Boat She honestly did her job back under the Union, but she was unlucky - she got it from the military service...

[alubushka]

probably a return with meaning, so that the boat with the entire submarine fleet of Ukraine, if he dares to dive into it, will not surface again

[vst6]

It’s cheaper to give it away than to dispose of it yourself, but it’s a pity for the boys if they don’t make it.

[a lion]

It’s not for nothing that there’s a complicated joke about her, that she was welded to the pier so she wouldn’t drown. 44 years... There is no metal left there, just rust. Indeed, we got a headache!

[SERGEY76]

Quote: sub307

Given the "moment" - the practical complete absence of submarine combat units in the CFRF, in my opinion, it is better not to rush into the final write-off of the boat. Reasons: underwent repairs, started working out tasks at sea, raised the flag of the Russian Navy. Until the actual receipt of the new promised for the Black Sea Fleet 636, it may well be used for its intended purpose with restrictions. For the defense of the coast, the bases .... the charging station, the TCB from it "squeeze" finally. And, in order to specifically "procrastinate" the topic, you need to really know the technical state (not relying on the "opinion" of idle journalists, or "experts" who have thrown in "their unfounded" opinion "through the same journalists).
It's never too late to "shoot".

And in general, first you need to take inventory of all your property and only then give something away somewhere.

[ASSARU]

I don't understand. Martial or semi-military situation between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine asks America for weapons for the war with Russia. America categorically refuses - no weapons, no war. Russia is arming the Ukrainian army. Absurd. Weapons for the enemy.

[alubushka]

It’s impossible to fight with this weapon, you should have seen her... she stood there like a laughing stock

[ASSARU]

I disagree... Not an inch of land can be returned to the enemy - Not a piece of rusty land can be returned. Weapons do not age.