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Russian airship for anti-missile and air defense

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Russian airship for anti-missile and air defense



Russian developers will create an aerostatic complex based on the ATLANT airship to solve the problems of anti-missile and air defense.

“The Avgur aeronautical center, with the support of the Advanced Research Fund, plans to start developing a new aerostatic complex in the interests of missile and air defense in the near future,” Interfax reports with reference to its source in the department.

The new device will contribute to the creation of a single radar field in Russia. The equipment of the complex will allow to transmit commands in real time and will allow to effectively deal with various goals, including hypersonic ones.

“The complex should occupy a niche between the orbital group, in terms of monitoring space and airspace, and the grouping of Voronezh stations, C-300, C-400, C-500 anti-aircraft missile radar systems,” the source explained to the agency .
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  1. Rusik.S
    Rusik.S 26 March 2014 07: 09
    +14
    Airship "Kirov"
    1. Civil
      Civil 26 March 2014 07: 12
      +18
      Airships have a future, especially in air defense and communications.
      1. Rus2012
        26 March 2014 08: 11
        +11
        Quote: Civil
        Airships have a future, especially in air defense and communications.

        as well as in observation and target designation ...
        My friends are engaged in one more direction - round-the-clock duty in the polar latitudes. T.N. "small ball" - small-diameter round-the-world flight at high altitudes ...
      2. itr
        itr 26 March 2014 08: 42
        -33%
        Civilian Of course, I'm sorry, but what is the future of airships ???? This is a dead end branch in the aircraft building, they were abandoned in WWI in the yard in 2014. Count zeppelin is probably spinning in a coffin with a propeller)))) Maybe we will return the cavalry, she does not consume diesel fuel But high-quality manure also helps a lot in agriculture Yes, a bullet fool bayonet well done!
        The future in space!
        1. Chukcha
          Chukcha 26 March 2014 08: 51
          +16
          Not certainly in that way. Airships are cheaper than spacecraft, so they will certainly find their niche in use.
          1. itr
            itr 26 March 2014 09: 05
            -13%
            For peaceful purposes, yes, but for the military, no
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 26 March 2014 15: 57
              +1
              Quote: itr
              For peaceful purposes, yes, but for the military, no

              Air defense balloon (roughly the same radar, only at altitudes 500-3000m, with all the ensuing advantages over the radio horizon)
        2. FID
          FID 26 March 2014 08: 52
          +23
          Quote: itr
          This is a dead end branch in aircraft construction

          Excuse me, but what does an airship have to do with aircraft construction? An airship is "aeronautics" ... Any aircraft are important and UAVs, and airships, and airplanes with helicopters ... For the development of the Far North - an airship is irreplaceable. Who can compare with the duration of stay in the air?
          1. itr
            itr 26 March 2014 09: 03
            -12%
            SSI in aeronautics!
            the topic of becoming missile defense and air defense
            Delirium of the Mad
            1. w2000
              w2000 26 March 2014 11: 47
              +11
              Quote: itr
              SSI in aeronautics!
              the topic of becoming missile defense and air defense
              Delirium of the Mad


              Nothing like this. An airship is a great way to place radars at high altitudes for a long time and at low cost. How long can an AWACS aircraft be in the air? 12 hours, well, a day, when refueling in the air. Finding an AWACS aircraft in the sky is expensive, and when used in peacetime, precious motor resources are wasted. Staying in the sky of a balloon tied with a cable to the ground is practically free of charge and it can be there around the clock for months. Americans use balloons and airships for air defense / missile defense, completely excluding this as crazy stuff.
              1. Canep
                Canep 26 March 2014 12: 25
                +4
                And the airship can be made of radio-transparent fabric and it will be practically invisible to the enemy radar, add noiselessness here and get an almost perfect means of delivering saboteurs to the enemy rear over a huge distance.
              2. dmitrij.blyuz
                dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 14: 25
                0
                Cool said. Something like that and I tried! Now I am silent, alas, education does not allow!
            2. aleks 62
              aleks 62 26 March 2014 13: 20
              0
              Amers incidentally have in the service and with the same goals ...
          2. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 09: 11
            +5
            SSI! hi By the way, the same question. However, it is also in the air. In these "balls" (not in offense, but in respect) there is a lot of potential. Not only in the quality of cargo transportation, but also in the military sphere, even more. Not for me with you argue. There is a video on YouTube about our development of these pepelatsev. Suggests! Perhaps, after a while, airship building will be referred to Aviation. Why not? They fly, chubby! With respect! hi
            1. FID
              FID 26 March 2014 09: 23
              +3
              Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
              Fly, chubby! Regards!

              You see, an airship is Lighter than air, unlike an AIRPLANE (it flies itself). A somewhat different approach to both strength and control systems. There are no concepts of "stabilization of height, speed", there is no balancing of the aircraft (instrumental, hardware, so to speak). But the applicability of airships is enormous, you can't argue with that! They will still find their application!
              1. dmitrij.blyuz
                dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 09: 36
                +2
                SSI! Hmm. With all Respect to you, I also belong to Aviation. I perfectly understand the design and direction of these "balls", maybe I blurted out something, I beg your pardon. And I know well the stability of the course and pitch of these balloonists. In Krasnoyarsk a couple of flies. The brother of his wife is a commander in the OVE, they are in his field of activity.
              2. Rus2012
                26 March 2014 10: 41
                +4
                Quote: SSI
                You see, an airship is an Lighter than air device.

                Correct a little ...
                Modern airships also have negative buoyancy, i.e. heavier than air. Maintained at the expense of engines ...
                Only the difference in lift to lift engine power is not big. The difference is provided by the mass of the payload, the ratio of air and light gas in the shell. If you turn off the engines - he sits down. So the same control laws apply to them as to airplanes. Naturally, taking into account the features. Fire safety, unlike the ancient ones, which were on hydrogen, is provided by helium. They also have a rigid, truss design. Well - everything on modern materials ...

                But the balloons - yes, they are lighter than air.

                They are also produced in the former MAP system in Dolgoprudny at an old factory.
                laughing
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 10: 52
                  +1
                  Rus! hi I didn’t understand a little. How can modern airships stay in the air at the expense of engines? Although it is. But the cat writes less in terms of fuel consumption. (Sorry for the comparison) Where do they get negative? If so, what the hell do they need them at all? ! However, their development is not only ours. Airships exist for that, when filled, in the past, with hydrogen (zepellin) and with the present helium, they perform purely observational functions, a little tracking. And like DRLOs, they are generally a song!
                  1. Rus2012
                    26 March 2014 11: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                    Why do they have negativity? If so, why the hell do they need them at all!

                    If there wasn’t a specially created negativity, it would be necessary to poison a light gas in order to land. And drop ballast - to go higher ...
                    Airships are specially dynamically balanced according to the principle of lift = light gas-air + lift from engines-payload
                    The easiest way to operate in this system is the lifting force of the engines. And optionally ICE. Mb solar powered electric motors ...
                2. FID
                  FID 26 March 2014 10: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Modern airships also have negative buoyancy, i.e. heavier than air. Maintained at the expense of engines ...

                  At one time (1989-1990), a TERMOPLAN was built on Aviastar, where positive buoyancy was provided by hot exhaust ... The point is not that it provides buoyancy, but in the way to create lift - airplanes ONLY due to the fuselage running onto the wing, anything, air flow, and balloons and airships, mainly due to hot or light gases. Motors are secondary. So, in my opinion ...
                  1. FID
                    FID 26 March 2014 11: 07
                    +2
                    It turns out that hearings on balloon construction were held yesterday in the Duma. The initiator was the head of the "Augur" company ... Looks like he wants money, now the appearance of this topic is clear ...
                    1. Rus2012
                      26 March 2014 11: 26
                      +3
                      Quote: SSI
                      Looks like he wants money, now the appearance of this topic is clear ...

                      they’ve been collecting money for twenty years ...
                      So it came to the statesmen ...
                      1. FID
                        FID 26 March 2014 11: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        they’ve been collecting money for twenty years ...
                        So it came to the statesmen ...

                        I am afraid that the statesmen will give up this business, or an aeronautical superjet will appear ... And the firm - prosperity, nowadays few people work in the field of inventions, more and more trade, but "innovations" God forgive me.
                    2. Corsair
                      Corsair 26 March 2014 12: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: SSI
                      Looks like he wants money, now the appearance of this topic is clear ...

                      As in any other question, SPECIALISTS should understand this.

                      And money ... Well, money can be given if, according to the conclusions of the SPECIALISTS, "the game is worth the candle" ...
                    3. dmitrij.blyuz
                      dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 14: 30
                      0
                      Opachki. Another Manturov. How so it is possible.
                  2. dmitrij.blyuz
                    dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 14: 39
                    0
                    I think (I'm not Nicholas II. Just my own opinion.) What kind of a gobbled balloon is needed, unable to stay in the air without the use of engines? They only have to give it movement. This is the difference between balloons and airships. YouTube, where- that is, videos about "gibons" I beg your pardon, but "airships" for shortening, that's what I call.
        3. Evgeniy-111
          Evgeniy-111 26 March 2014 09: 01
          +4
          That's what the Americans are now building them hard (for the same purpose) ...
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 26 March 2014 09: 16
            +1
            Quote: Evgeniy-111
            That's what the Americans are now building them hard (for the same purpose) ...

            They make balloons, that’s another topic.
            1. Rus2012
              26 March 2014 10: 45
              0
              Quote: Nayhas
              They make balloons, that’s another topic.

              ... however, the topic is very good. close. We have the same people and aerostats and airships developed and produced at the same enterprises ...
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 26 March 2014 11: 37
                0
                Quote: Rus2012
                ... however, the topic is very good. close.

                Only by the fact that both relate to devices lighter than air and nothing more. Airships are aircraft with a propulsion system and rudders. A balloon is a hypertrophied baby ball on a string.
                1. Rus2012
                  26 March 2014 12: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  A balloon is a hypertrophied baby ball on a string.

                  Not necessary!
                  They also have many performances and are divided into different types ...
                  1. Nayhas
                    Nayhas 26 March 2014 14: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    Not necessary!
                    They also have many performances and are divided into different types ...

                    Yes and .... It doesn’t matter ... What the hell is an airship for a missile defense system? To hell with him somewhere to fly away from the PU anti-aircraft missiles? Why is this hemorrhoids synchronized? Let it hang on a leash around S-400/500, we decided to change the location-lowered / deflated / curled / packed / went. Came to a new place and in the reverse order ...
        4. umah
          umah 26 March 2014 09: 30
          +2
          You certainly excuse me, but what is the future of airships ????

          Well at a glance: use in the radar to increase the radio horizon.
          There are also thermoplans (I don’t know if there are any existing ones or not) for cargo transportation.
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        6. serega.fedotov
          serega.fedotov 26 March 2014 10: 23
          +2
          Airships allow you to "plug holes" in the air defense field, possibly perky and hidden / unlikely the airship is clearly visible on radars / mix radars, and not depend on roads. "Playing" in height, you can unexpectedly increase the coverage area at times, or, on the contrary, hide the radars to raise elsewhere, and all for a reasonable price.
        7. hummel83
          hummel83 26 March 2014 11: 41
          0
          On the contrary, they now have a new impetus in development. The Americans used them in Libya - as carriers of communications equipment, intelligence and electronic warfare. - This is much cheaper than the constant duty of Avax or skyhawk aircraft. - I remind you of the aforementioned aircraft flying far from the line of interaction and are out of the air defense range. We are also developing in this direction — in my opinion, by avax too, in communication — exactly (like repeaters).
        8. Saratovets
          Saratovets 26 March 2014 12: 58
          0
          the airships were abandoned first of all because of backward technologies, and this is the transport of the future, joke around on the network, you yourself will come to this conclusion
        9. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 26 March 2014 14: 41
          0
          Quote: itr
          Civilian Of course, I'm sorry, but what is the future of airships ???? This is a dead end branch in the aircraft building, they were abandoned in WWI in the yard in 2014. Count zeppelin is probably spinning in a coffin with a propeller)))) Maybe we will return the cavalry, she does not consume diesel fuel But high-quality manure also helps a lot in agriculture Yes, a bullet fool bayonet well done!
          The future in space!

          Tell this to the Americans, who use airships even in Afghanistan, hovering at high altitudes and carry out video surveillance.
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      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 26 March 2014 11: 45
        0
        In transport, too, there is, the main thing is to apply and develop for specific tasks.
      4. stoker
        stoker 26 March 2014 15: 15
        0
        Only let it be air defense and the connection of the probable enemy
      5. stoker
        stoker 26 March 2014 15: 26
        0
        Only let it be air defense and the connection of the probable enemy
    2. Duelist
      Duelist 26 March 2014 08: 52
      +1
      Cheap and cheerful.
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    4. ka2
      ka2 26 March 2014 10: 05
      0
      Without a drop of sarcasm - I have long waited for them to find use!
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 26 March 2014 14: 39
      0
      Quote: Rusik.S
      Airship "Kirov"

      Here he is handsome

  2. Sergg
    Sergg 26 March 2014 07: 11
    +5
    It is not entirely clear how balloons can be used for military purposes, since they are very vulnerable and what is the radius of action of these balloons. You need to write similar articles in more detail, although I believe that the radius of target detection with-400 increases significantly, but by how much?
    1. Weniamin
      Weniamin 26 March 2014 07: 46
      +7
      TTX is most likely a military secret, but the idea is good, I like it. And yet, I would love to ride this miracle.
      1. itr
        itr 26 March 2014 09: 04
        +5
        Military secret))))) this is where Serdyukov money matters
        1. Srgsoap
          Srgsoap 26 March 2014 09: 24
          +2
          Bravo! Offset! I haven’t laughed so long. good
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 26 March 2014 07: 58
      +3
      As an analogue of aircraft of aviation complexes of radio detection and guidance. All that is required of him is to fly at a certain point and observe the surrounding space with his radars.
      1. scientist
        scientist 26 March 2014 09: 20
        +3
        It is a normal technical solution. Nothing secret and unique here. The United States has long created an entire group. We in the Union did not develop this direction of air defense only because it was believed that balloons were vulnerable to wind loads.
        But in fact, an aerostat is indispensable for creating a reliable radar field at low and very low altitudes. It is at these altitudes that an air defense system breakthrough and cruise missile flights are usually carried out.
    3. Nayhas
      Nayhas 26 March 2014 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: Sergg
      It is not entirely clear how balloons can be used for military purposes, since they are very vulnerable and what is the radius of action of these balloons.

      This is an airship. Balloons on a leash.
  3. Tron
    Tron 26 March 2014 07: 12
    +4
    Amazed by our Kulibin! Minimum funds - maximum returns
    1. 222222
      222222 26 March 2014 10: 16
      +1
      Airships "Atlant-100" and "Atlant-30". View according to the draft design.
      http://www.newstube.ru/media/dirizhabli-atlant-100-i-atlant-30-vid-po-ehskiznomu
      -proektu
      ... Au-30 has a volume of 5400 cubic meters. m, payload up to 1400 kg, speed up to 95 km / h and range (while estimated) is 1500 km. In September 2008, the airship flew to a distance of 630 km, which is a record for the range for this class of vehicles. Flight performance of the Au-30 airship:

      The volume of the shell of the airship: 5065 m3.
      Length: 55,0 m.
      Diameter: 13,5 m.
      Maximum take-off weight of the airship: 4850 kg.
      Payload mass: 1400 kg.
      Maximum flight speed: 110 km / h, cruising speed: 80 km / h
      Powerplant: 2 engine Scrap-Prague M332С, power 2х170 hp
      Flight time at maximum speed: 5 h.
      Maximum flight duration: 24 h.
      Distance range: 3000 km.
      Flight altitude: up to 1500 m.
      Maximum flight height: 2500 m.
      Airship capacity: 8 man
      Crew: up to 2 people.
      Starting team: 4-6 people.
      http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2009/09/03/180765.html
      http://forum.zr.ru/forum/topic/383684-sovremennyi-rossiiskii-dirizhabl/
  4. ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 March 2014 07: 16
    +1
    Well, that’s good, but the airships seem very vulnerable to me. smile
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 26 March 2014 07: 34
      +7
      But on this, you can turn off all systems and become invisible to enemy radars. smile
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 26 March 2014 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: theadenter
        But on this, you can turn off all systems and become invisible to enemy radars

        So such a barn will be visible to the unaided eye from space, within 5 years anyone who has a computer has been promised online surveillance from space smile
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    2. tanit
      tanit 26 March 2014 07: 51
      +12
      So no one seems to be going to drive them for an attack smile And over their own territory - no more "vulnerable" than the same S-300/400 hi
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 26 March 2014 10: 51
        0
        [quote = tanit] And over their own territory - no more "vulnerable" than the same S-300/400 Home airship smile hi
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  5. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 07: 18
    +11
    And, in fact, the guys started a good thing! As an "eye" for air defense for long distances, that's the very thing! And, Valentine! hi , they will be designed for long-range radar! This balloon hangs for itself, doesn’t ask or eat. Only crews change! Fuel-miserable. It will be able to scan larger territory! It’s not necessary to approach the database.
    1. KOH
      KOH 26 March 2014 07: 27
      +9
      And why is there a crew? They can also be made unmanned ...
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 07: 42
        +1
        It’s possible. Even better!
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 26 March 2014 09: 26
      -4
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      And, after all, the guys started a good thing! As an "air defense" eye for long distances, that's the very thing! And, Valentine! Hi, they will be designed for long-range radar! Hanging, this ball, does not ask for food or drink.

      Not hanging, and struggling with the wind spending fuel. A futile undertaking.
      1. Dimych
        Dimych 26 March 2014 10: 18
        0
        And put him on a cable and now you don’t have to spend fuel. I sniffed it in one place - at any moment I transferred it to a new point or transferred it to the barrage mode. There's something about it.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 26 March 2014 10: 35
          0
          Quote: Dimych
          And put him on a cable and now you don’t have to spend fuel.

          This is a balloon.
      2. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 10: 42
        +1
        Zhenya! hi These are not the airships that were at the beginning of the last century. You lagged behind the good news. For stability on the course and pitch, these devices can also be inserted into solar batteries. Batteries now do not weigh tons. Yes, if everything is simple with ordinary automatic engines will do. This is not a plane. It does not require tens of tons of fuel. Nabey in Yandex! MODERN AIRSHEPS!. By the way, for the second time today. Does God love the trinity?
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 26 March 2014 11: 41
          0
          Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
          These are not the airships that were at the beginning of the last century.

          Undoubtedly, the materials are different, the engines are more economical ...
          Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
          .Yes, if you just do it with ordinary engines, automation will do it. It's not a plane.

          During the flight, at an altitude of 10km. Of course there are no difficulties. The question is how to land in high winds. No, of course you can land, but how long it takes.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 26 March 2014 13: 30
            0
            And how did you land before ??? The approach against the wind, the approach to the mooring mast, the release of the mooring line, the ground crew catches and draws it ... In general, there are many similarities with the mooring of ships ...
  6. Com T-64a
    Com T-64a 26 March 2014 07: 22
    +9
    History is cyclical. "Graf Zeppelin" returns! Everything new is well forgotten old ...
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 07: 44
      +3
      No Tsepellina! Finished badly. recourse Although the meaning is clear! drinks
    2. Ulyan
      Ulyan 26 March 2014 11: 35
      +2
      Mankind once invented a knife, how many years nobody knows this weapon, but over the years it has not lost its effectiveness. The same thing happens with personal protective equipment, chain mail has turned into a Kevlar body armor, and I see the airship as an opportunity to solve complex problems with technologically simple solutions.
  7. sazhka4
    sazhka4 26 March 2014 07: 25
    0
    http://rosaerosystems.ru/airships/obj676
    The airship Au-30 is designed to fly for a long time, including at low altitude and at low speed. The main areas of application of Au-30 are patrolling, special control of power lines and pipelines, photo and video shooting, rescue operations, as well as high-end tourism.

    Cool .. And why not convert for poplars? Or poplar in an airship? It's just that, of course, this is not exactly what is in the picture. Well, it was possible after all to search for better and better.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 26 March 2014 07: 29
      +3
      Cool .. And why not convert for poplars?

      How do you imagine launching Topol from an airship?
      1. sazhka4
        sazhka4 26 March 2014 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        How do you imagine launching Topol from an airship?

        There’s a lot of links there ..
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 26 March 2014 13: 36
        0
        About the same as launching an ICBM from a transport aircraft (IL-76) .... There were such developments ... Google ...
  8. VADEL
    VADEL 26 March 2014 07: 27
    +2
    Good Avax will work.
  9. Revolver
    Revolver 26 March 2014 07: 28
    +3
    In America, airships of about this size fly over stadiums during football matches and are painted in advertising for Budweiser or Goodyear. And something I did not hear that they were used for something more productive thread.
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 07: 46
      +2
      We also fly. But, it seems, there are a few of them in the Police Aviation.
    2. ICT
      ICT 26 March 2014 07: 52
      +3
      ...............
  10. shitovmg
    shitovmg 26 March 2014 07: 28
    +6
    Grandfather and grandmother said that in the 20s the airship flew over them twice. The little ones looked curiously, and the women climbed into haystacks ... wink
  11. shinobi
    shinobi 26 March 2014 07: 28
    +9
    Yeah, they decided to fix the locators on them. It’s high time. There will be 10 times cheaper for airborne AWACS aircraft. For deployment and take-off, space is required only in size. In servicing a penny compared to the same AWACS. And the disguise is what a dream! I hid the locator’s washer under shell of the balloon and go and figure out what is floating in the sky. Walking, observer or something else. The main thing is that everything on paper would not be left again.
  12. archimedes 33
    archimedes 33 26 March 2014 07: 34
    +3
    great alternative in case of destruction of space grouping
  13. individual
    individual 26 March 2014 07: 35
    +3
    The first flight of the airship registered September 24, 1852.
    More than 160 years have passed and for the entertainment purposes of launching, the airship finds a defense missile defense specialization.
  14. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 26 March 2014 07: 36
    +12
    Kirov reporting, now it remains to introduce mammoth tanks and assault bears laughing
  15. Humpty
    Humpty 26 March 2014 07: 36
    +8
    The reincarnation of old ideas at a new technological level is quite possible and can find its place in the modern army. A vivid example of this is smooth-bore artillery, which in fact has always remained in service from the moment it appeared. When the fleet became armored, they were used with great efficiency on land .. .Unicorns. Mortars and finally tank smoothbore guns appeared a little later. Maybe large-caliber anti-aircraft missiles are not completely forgotten.
    Balloons can probably be reborn, they have not completely disappeared.
  16. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 March 2014 07: 38
    +3
    Everything that is not being done is all for the best. And the airships will go into operation, guarding the borders of the Motherland, and this is not a promising direction for you. Everything will work out in our economy.
  17. Ulairy
    Ulairy 26 March 2014 07: 45
    +2
    The airship, of course, is cheap and cheerful ... But it’s too painful to get on and hit this carcass. (Why not convert for poplars?) And if this structure is crushed with "poplars", it will be the same as in 56, when an American bomber fell apart in the air and lost four hydrogen bombs over Spain. Two fell to the ground, one split, infecting an entire area ... Well, what a joy.
  18. silver169
    silver169 26 March 2014 07: 47
    +4
    Quote: Nagan
    And something I did not hear that they were used for something more productive thread


    Meanwhile, according to The Defense News, from 2007 to 2012, the Pentagon spent $ 7 billion on the development of various military airships. Another thing is that a large-scale attempt to rehabilitate the airships by the US military seems to have ended in failure so far. However, the use of airships is very promising. They can be used as universal communications and intelligence. The Americans are going to use airships for the needs of the missile defense system. They can also serve as a means of warning about a missile attack, carry out the capture of targets, monitor the terrain, engage in reconnaissance and monitoring of nature and solve other tasks ...
  19. pensioner
    pensioner 26 March 2014 07: 48
    +3
    I remember in 1991. was in Moscow. We talked in the "Arbat" district with the guys from the Moscow Aviation Institute (sort of). Then the topic of airships was very actively discussed. So ... They told me then that they had invented and made a shell that would hold helium for an arbitrarily long time, and that soon the whole world would fly on airships ... And what: are airships really on helium now? I don’t just follow, but I’m too lazy to study the topic ... Who knows - enlighten in 2 words ... And if so, then the guys must be millionaires!
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    3. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 08: 57
      +1
      Even I have problems with the link. I'll try again. Better, Yur, fill in Yandex- "MODERN AIRSHIPS", there about ours.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 26 March 2014 09: 12
        +1
        Thanks Dim! Already gone! hi
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 March 2014 07: 54
    +5
    For our territories the most. Well, yes, vulnerable. But the system is not being created for wartime probably. And so search, communication, monitoring ...
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 26 March 2014 08: 01
      +2
      Any surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft is very vulnerable. In fact, these machines are flying radars and in principle are not capable of fighting, so they are covered by fighters.
  21. jPilot
    jPilot 26 March 2014 07: 58
    +3
    New technologies, new opportunities for old inventions. The airship carrier is good, promising. Of course you can’t hang poplar, it’s utopia. But the laser system for illuminating the target for a highly accurate weapon to hang, this is an option, as well as AWACS systems as an option
  22. Moore
    Moore 26 March 2014 08: 08
    +3
    If I understood correctly, something like a phased array will be installed on this miracle of technology. OK, there are no questions except:
    - how many kilowatts the device will consume and how it will affect its carrying capacity (generators are not easy pieces) and, accordingly, sizes;
    - apparently, it is necessary to keep it at the borders, incl. in the north, which are arctic - a matter of hangars, l / s and other infrastructure;
    -Do I understand correctly that when the weather is set with a storm or so wind, ] "a niche between the orbital constellation, in terms of space and airspace control, and the Voronezh station constellation" nothing will be filled.
    Colleagues, you’ll excuse me, but I think this is an attempt by the developers of the original project (they are great and I respect them for the work that they are doing) to solve some of their problems by financing experimental development from the Moscow Region.
  23. visitor
    visitor 26 March 2014 08: 12
    +2
    Airships are needed, they have their own niche, their own +/-, you just need to use it wisely
  24. buzer
    buzer 26 March 2014 08: 53
    +2
    more such airships need to be launched, let the pentagon wonder which one is actually carrying out the task, and which one just hangs like that ... There is no need for the airship of fuel, do not ask for food. 10 thousand of these balls, and not stationary ones, but to ply all over Rasea back and forth. They will monitor the airspace and carry cargo.
    1. Moore
      Moore 26 March 2014 12: 33
      0
      Sorry, why the airship is not necessary? What does he not ask?
  25. Million
    Million 26 March 2014 08: 53
    +2
    Airship named after Serdyukov!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 26 March 2014 09: 19
      +1
      Quote: Million
      Airship named after Serdyukov!

      And what ... what It is. yes Just not them. Serdyukov, but for Serdyukov. I think that pulling Serdyukov on the airship is a spectacle no less exciting than pulling an owl on a globe ... repeat
  26. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 26 March 2014 08: 57
    +1
    As a means of primary detection in areas with complex terrain, it is quite possible. By the way, do not confuse the balloon and the airship. Things are a bit different.
  27. svp67
    svp67 26 March 2014 08: 57
    +5
    It would be nice to make them in the shape of a torus ... and along the northern border ... Here you have a covered border ...

    You give RUSSIAN DERIBISTER ...
  28. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 09: 01
    +1
    Zhenya! hi Directly “we read one book!” I, too, call them “derizbabli”! Although, in fact, a sensible technique.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 26 March 2014 12: 12
      0
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Straight "we read one book"

      welcome hi Rather, the same jokes. This term is from a joke about Vasily Ivanovich and Furmanov. wink
  29. saag
    saag 26 March 2014 09: 05
    +2
    wind-sail, wind-sail
  30. il2.chewie
    il2.chewie 26 March 2014 09: 07
    +1
    Quote: itr
    Civilian Of course, I'm sorry, but what is the future of airships ???? This is a dead end branch in the aircraft building, they were abandoned in WWI in the yard in 2014. Count zeppelin is probably spinning in a coffin with a propeller)))) Maybe we will return the cavalry, she does not consume diesel fuel But high-quality manure also helps a lot in agriculture Yes, a bullet fool bayonet well done!
    The future in space!

    The refusal to use them was primarily associated with an insufficient level of technology on that day. The idea is great and its potential is far from exhausted.
    1. Nikitin
      Nikitin 26 March 2014 09: 13
      +2
      Don't airships fly against the wind! That's the whole idea, and technology has nothing to do with it.
      1. Vita_vko
        Vita_vko 26 March 2014 09: 55
        +3
        Quote: Nikitin
        against the wind!

        This is not necessary. They stand still. They rise in the endangered period on special cables. By the way, the cable for such an airship is a unique technological design. Firstly, it must be very durable to keep it at a height of several km. Secondly light. Thirdly, energy for the radar and information must also be supplied through it. These three controversial factors were a major development challenge. The United States spent $ billion on manufacturing technology for a special cable cable for balloons. But as experience and calculations show, it's worth it. Because to create a radar field at low and extremely low altitudes with the parameters of one radar on a balloon, you need a dozen ground-based radars. But it is precisely at low altitude that cruise missiles and airplanes break through air defense systems.
  31. Nayhas
    Nayhas 26 March 2014 09: 45
    +3
    About ten years ago, in the USA, the development of airships in the interests of intelligence and missile defense began, it turned out that all this is complete crap. All projects were frozen or curtailed. Those. After spending a certain amount of money, the Americans stepped on a rake, got it on their forehead and abandoned the idea. As always, we follow after not noticing that the rake is lying on this path, we even see where they are lying. Americans have already found them and showed them to everyone, but we don’t care. Favorite Russian fun ...
    PS: The United States, having taken on lighter-than-air vehicles, found the most optimal use for the far from most noticeable cousins ​​of airships, balloons. The result was a complex of JLENS, radar and optical reconnaissance equipment deployed balloons. From a height of 3 km. for 30! days, the radar makes an overview around detecting air targets at all altitudes, ground conditions are controlled by optical means. The JLENS system strengthens ground-based air defense systems by increasing the radius of view, eliminating the effect of the radio horizon, allowing the use of SAMs at all altitude ranges to the maximum range. At the same time, ensuring the security of the covered object for penetration of sabotage groups.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 26 March 2014 10: 32
      +4
      The Americans never, do nothing, but only suspend it. Before solving technical issues.
  32. EDW
    EDW 26 March 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Quote: Wedmak
    How do you imagine launching Topol from an airship?

    turn the airship into a bagel, in the center hang the TPK with poplar and let it be healthy =)
    1. Moore
      Moore 26 March 2014 12: 55
      0
      Before folding into a bagel, a little count.
      The Zeppelin airship (hydrogen, not helium) with a volume of 8225 cubic meters lifted a payload of 1,9 tons (length 74 m, height 19,5 m).
      The mass of the TPK with start-up and support equipment (102t - chassis) well, let it be 70t.
      Having compiled the children's proportion, we see that the volume of the bagel will be 303026 cubic meters - only 37 times more than the Zeppelin's creation. For helium, we multiply by another 1,2.
      Now imagine it soaring it is not clear why (it is not clear, because it will be visible from the moon) in the sky.
      The enemies scatter in horror ...
      1. EDW
        EDW 29 March 2014 02: 33
        0
        even with a delay, but still answer =)
        Yes, in the case of 8225cubes at 1900kg, the ratio is really terrible.
        But Zeppelin also had more successful models:
        By 1906, Zeppelin was able to build an improved airship that interested the military. For military purposes, semi-rigid and then soft Parseval airships were used, as well as rigid Zeppelin airships; In 1913, the rigid Schütte-Lanz airship was adopted. Comparative tests of these aeronautical devices in 1914 showed the superiority of rigid type airships. Last at length 150 m and shell volume 22 000 m³ raised to 8000 kg payloadhaving a maximum lift height of 2200 m (for German military airships from the times of the First World War, the ceiling was up to 8000 m). The payload included 10-kilogram bombs and 15-centimeter and 21-centimeter grenades (totaling 500 kg), as well as wireless telegraph equipment.


        Here the ratio of volume to load capacity is much higher.
        By a similar proportion for 70 tons of payload we get: volume 192500 cubic meters and length 1300 m with the same thickness in the form of a donut is 418 m in diameter. Is this a lot for the airship? :

        After the collapse of the USSR, the state enterprise “DKBA” received the status of “federal unitary state enterprise” and headed the Russian aeronautical technology industry, or rather, became the pivotal enterprise of the emerging industry.
        In the 1990s, DKBA develops a draft airship with a soft design 2DP with a carrying capacity of about 3 tons, and after revising the terms of reference and indicating the need to create an apparatus with a higher carrying capacity, the project continues under the name "DS-3 airship." In 2007, an advance draft of this apparatus was prepared.
        Today, on the basis of FSUE DKBA, airships are being developed with a carrying capacity of 20, 30, 55, 70, 200 tons. A significant part of the project was carried out on the project of the “lens-shaped” airship DP-70T, which is designed to transport goods with Belling-free year-round operation in all climatic zones. On the constructive basis of this airship worked out airship options 200—400 t.
  33. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 10: 01
    +2
    Zhenya! hi To be honest, deeply spit on them. They have different views on the world. Let them design whatever they want. They are "hegemon" or whatever. We just need Mir. It is desirable ALL! laughing Therefore, we are doing everything more intelligently and more seriously. Our President, Count of Tauride, is not yet concocting something. Chess is a game of minds. Our ordinary "" is in cards, a game of attentiveness. A preference game of blue bloods. And our GDP in this game of cards pomnit.And the rest - "the locomotive" will be grabbed. So, to register the "bullet" - it is necessary to choose smart rivals. Although they are selected, most likely. There will be bases in Argentina. good
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  35. marder4
    marder4 26 March 2014 10: 12
    +1
    well - an interesting idea, let's look at the implementation ...
  36. major071
    major071 26 March 2014 10: 16
    +8
    The ensign built a platoon and says: -So, fighters! I give the combat mission: the Derizhopl is flying in the sky!
    Voice out of order: - Comrade Warrant Officer, not an airship, but an airship!
    -Who said?
    Ryadovoy Ivanov!
    Ryadovoy Ivanov, two steps forward! Twenty push ups!
    -I continue, so, the derzhopl flies and carries a vigorous bomb!
    Again out of order: -Tov. ensign! Not nuclear, but nuclear!
    -Who said?
    Ryadovoy Ivanov!
    Ryadovoy Ivanov, two steps forward! Thirty push ups!
    -Continue! The Derizhopl flies and carries a vigorous bomb! Your actions?
    Voice out of order: -Save comrade ensign!
    -Who said?
    Ryadovoy Ivanov!
    -Ryadovoy Ivanov in place, platoon two steps forward! Forty push ups!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 26 March 2014 11: 47
      0
      Vova! Count what I thought. Do we have inflatable tanks? There is. Is there an S-300 inflatable unit? There is.
      But what about combat airships ??? belay
  37. Semenov
    Semenov 26 March 2014 10: 24
    +2
    What is the correct way to say: "Statosrat or sratostat"? That's right - an airship (anecdote).
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 March 2014 12: 36
      0
      Excuse me, I heard this anecdote a hundred years ago, so it said - "DIRIZHOPEL"!
  38. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 26 March 2014 10: 32
    +1
    This is from the book, Author-Some Furmanov. Don’t you find it stupid?
  39. Vtel
    Vtel 26 March 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Now the task is to make it invisible.
  40. brainkiller
    brainkiller 26 March 2014 11: 11
    +1
    Well, to make it invisible in any way, but as a means of intelligence - why not? if you imagine that the whole body is a screen and behind it a powerful antenna, then I think that even in passive mode it will be able to collect enough energy.
    1. Roman 57 rus
      Roman 57 rus 26 March 2014 13: 10
      0
      Quote: brainkiller
      Well, to make it invisible in any way, but as a means of intelligence - why not? if you imagine that the whole body is a screen and behind it a powerful antenna, then I think that even in passive mode it will be able to collect enough energy.

      You can make it invisible, in particular graphite absorbs radio waves very well
  41. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 26 March 2014 11: 31
    0
    Personally, this news made me happy. Finally, we are closely engaged in this direction. In my humble opinion, a rather promising direction ...
    With all my heart I wish every success to the engineers of the "Augur" center! ..
  42. polite people
    polite people 26 March 2014 11: 35
    0
    - How to describe the airship?
    - This is an egg that flies.
    “I have two eggs, but I don’t take off?”
    - Means, the propeller does not work.
  43. rasputin17
    rasputin17 26 March 2014 11: 36
    0
    How good and effective it will be, time will tell! Now it makes no sense to argue weighing all the pros and cons, since each has its own truth, both supporters and opponents!
  44. Homeless
    Homeless 26 March 2014 11: 39
    +2
    Quote: Sergg
    It is not entirely clear how balloons can be used for military purposes, since they are very vulnerable and what is the radius of action of these balloons. You need to write similar articles in more detail, although I believe that the radius of target detection with-400 increases significantly, but by how much?

    Well, at the expense of vulnerability today, you are very mistaken. Aerostats and airships are divided into a large number of sections and each section has a huge number of small balloons filled with helium. Our air defense aircraft in the 70s were hard to shoot down enemy balloons, precisely because of the many balloon filling system small balls.
  45. polite people
    polite people 26 March 2014 11: 47
    0
    The son began to ask me about the airships - he saw in some program and
    became interested. I asked how you can reverse the main flaw of the airship -
    large size - in its main advantage in hostilities, if
    replace expensive metal shell with cheap cloth, remove
    crew cabin, deprive of any weapons and generally tie on
    The cable. I inspiredly described how hundreds of these huge monsters were piled once for years.
    over Moscow, London and many other megacities, after which he asked
    the only simple question is why?

    The son thought for a second and suddenly shone: “Was there an advertisement on them ?? !! "
  46. brainkiller
    brainkiller 26 March 2014 12: 03
    0
    Quote: polite people
    I inspiredly described how hundreds of these huge monsters were piled once for years.
    over Moscow, London and many other megacities, after which he asked
    the only simple question is why?
    apparently the son knew the difference between airships and balloons, which you think had in mind when asked =)))
  47. erased
    erased 26 March 2014 12: 21
    0
    And give a ride? Cool stuff!
  48. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets 26 March 2014 12: 33
    0
    All good, this is a long forgotten old ....
  49. Bayonet
    Bayonet 26 March 2014 12: 33
    0
    Since the beginning of the sixties, after a long oblivion, a wave of enthusiasm periodically arises about the revival of the airship building. Many projects of passenger, cargo and special purposes, from small patrols to monsters with a nuclear power plant, many forms - from disks to multihulls. Unfortunately, there are NO serious advances in this matter, but it's a pity. With the use of new technologies, materials, design systems - the problem is really solved, you only need a strong-willed solution!
  50. Cristall
    Cristall 26 March 2014 12: 45
    +1
    not such a cheap way to replace. There are a number of advantages / disadvantages. But history loves cyclicality and technological solutions are sometimes repeated (for example, a ram of the ancients and a ram of armadillos)
    progress itself can transform an old idea into a completely new solution.
    The USA is experimenting with airships. Someday we will see an UAV air carrier.