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Carte blanche. Arctic can be Russian-Chinese

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Carte blanche. Arctic can be Russian-Chinese



In the Arctic region, Russia has legitimate and reasonable economic and geopolitical interests. But competition for sources of raw materials among traditional Arctic countries is becoming tougher, and the eighth session of the Arctic Council (CA) in Kiruna in May 2013 showed that claims to the Arctic are growing among new players, such as China, India, and Japan. That is why Russia needs to develop a strategy to protect its national interests in the region, and it is possible to involve in cooperation a long-time partner - the PRC.

However, why China can become a partner of the Russian Federation in the Arctic? First, Russia intends to develop its military presence in the region at the expense of sea, air, missile forces and means for deterring foreign military presence (especially Western countries) and protecting the most important infrastructure facilities. In this regard, it needs investments and technologies that can be obtained in the framework of the Arctic partnership with China.

Secondly, as one of the Arctic countries and the largest power and mineral resource reserves in Russia, Russia has a unique opportunity to fully utilize these reserves to use China’s financial, labor and technological resources, which have advanced technologies for resource extraction and are looking for partners for their development. .

Thirdly, the priority for the Russian Federation is the development of the Northern Sea Route, which could potentially be an alternative way for China to export its goods. During the passage of it, Russia will be able to receive regular financial income.

Fourth, China, as a permanent observer in the AU, officially confirmed its readiness to follow the principles of respect for the sovereignty and sovereign rights of the Arctic states. At the same time, as a major power, China wishes to contribute to strengthening peace and security in the region, which indirectly indicates a low level of its political ambitions and at the same time a desire to promote the development of the region. That is, China has no geopolitical claims to the Arctic.

Fifth, Beijing will not be able to use the new status in the AU as a lever for the implementation of economic plans within the framework of a regional strategy, since the AU is a forum that brings together all interested players in the Arctic space. The unanimity of all members of the AU is limited to the environmental sphere, since interests in other areas are often diametrically opposed. Outside the jurisdiction of the NPP are the issues of natural resource extraction, as well as the construction of infrastructure.

Sixth, the presence in the AU has only symbolic significance for China. He expects that he will be able to take part in shaping and implementing the regional agenda. At the same time, China’s involvement in projects will depend on building bilateral partnerships with each circumpolar country separately. Russia and China can use the AU as an additional platform for exchanging views on regional development issues.

However, one must take into account the arguments of opponents of cooperation between the Russian Federation and China in this region. First, according to some estimates, by the 2020 – 2040 years in the summer, the Arctic will be navigable. New trade routes can pass through the region. Such prospects cannot but interest China as the world leader in export volumes. Consequently, he will be interested in establishing his strategic control over this transport artery, possibly using military levers for this, which is disadvantageous for Russia.

Secondly, the lack of natural resources in China determines its interest in the natural resources of the Arctic. The development of raw materials and the development of new sea routes in the Arctic, of course, may have for China not only trade and economic, but also geopolitical and - especially in the long term - military-strategic importance.

Thirdly, China made significant efforts to become a member of the AU. Despite restrained statements, China in practice has noticeably intensified its diplomatic efforts in the Arctic direction, engaging in particular in the search for partner countries for the development of the region. This indicates that the PRC, playing on the contradictions of the Arctic countries, builds its own policy aimed at consolidating itself in the region.

Fourthly, the Arctic historically under the control of Russia, the USA and Canada is becoming a new playground for China. Melting ice opens up commercial and strategic opportunities for China. If in the future China manages to deploy a nuclear submarine in the Arctic, it will create the conditions for strategic deterrence of Russia, Europe and the United States. Taking into account the individual statements of Chinese military specialists and representatives of the generals, it is impossible not to admit that China will defend its military interests in the Arctic, creating a group of surface and submarine forces there.

Based on the pros and cons, it can be said that the most pragmatic approach for Russia is building strategic cooperation with China, aimed at developing the Arctic direction in foreign policy. With no valid claims for exploration and production in the Arctic, as well as its geopolitical consolidation in the region, China can gain access to resource extraction and the Northern Sea Route in exchange for investment and technology. Favorable joint mining contracts, guarantees of the most favorable conditions when using the Northern Sea Route will help Russia to gain substantial support from the PRC in defending its position on expanding the limits of the continental shelf at the UN Commission. In the case of Russia’s delay, China as an alternative will go towards rapprochement with other Arctic countries, including the United States and Canada, which will negatively affect Russia's position and influence in the Arctic as a whole.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 23 March 2014 15: 47
    +13
    The Arctic is a new field of geopolitical battles, and again we are in "business" ... and we will not give up ours.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 23 March 2014 15: 55
      +7
      Oh God!
      Quote: svp67
      If in the future China manages to deploy a nuclear submarine in the Arctic, it will create conditions for strategic containment of Russia, Europe and the USA.

      But what about Japan and Oceania? This is the terrible threat to the world posed by a Chinese submarine in the Arctic.
    2. avt
      avt 23 March 2014 16: 06
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      The Arctic is a new field of geopolitical battles, and again we are in "business" ... and we will not give up ours.

      Already quite old. A new battlefield - Antarctica, the treaty on a moratorium on industrial development of the continent ends, if the next year is not extended, or a new one is concluded, then it will begin. It is not for nothing that the Angles for the Falklands were not childish.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 23 March 2014 16: 07
      +24
      The author's "duet" probably dabbled in mushrooms for lunch. ... I quote-"If in the future China manages to deploy a nuclear submarine in the Arctic, it will create conditions for the strategic containment of Russia, Europe and the United States." and here "Without justified claims for exploration and production of resources in the Arctic, as well as for its geopolitical consolidation in the region, China can gain access to the extraction of resources and the Northern Sea Route in exchange for investments and technologies. Profitable contracts for joint production of minerals, guarantees the most favorable conditions for the use of the Northern Sea Route will help Russia to enlist significant support from the PRC ". Question- FUCK us such a partner in the development of our bowels who sleeps and sees how to drive the submarine into the Arctic Ocean in order to detach what belongs to US? China can and should be supported in political components, but not as in issues of joint management in resources. Let him take care of the ATF, it will not be so unprofitable .. We will figure it out in our pantry ..
      1. Alex Danilov
        Alex Danilov 23 March 2014 17: 03
        +5
        The Arctic can be made Russian-Chinese ...
        You can of course ..... but why the heck do we need this? The author, are you a stupid person?
        Yes, only the Arctic, we will not do the Russian-Chinese, and Russian, purely Russian! Correctly! Only Russia. Why the hell are we all sorts of those who want to chop off from Russia? Russia-to gain a foothold in the Arctic, including to gain a foothold, to entrench themselves strategically and, through the nozzles, to all and sundry whoever wants to chop off something from Russia. You can also create a Perimeter over the Arctic. Damn, everyone came here, we don’t climb somewhere in China, or we don’t climb on the mainland of the United States or somewhere else. This is our point!
        That's it!
      2. submelt
        submelt 23 March 2014 17: 48
        +2
        I completely agree with the author. The Arctic is already crowded. There is no need for new parasites there for nothing.
        1. poccinin
          poccinin 24 March 2014 05: 24
          +1
          these freeloaders will not be persecuted even later and the Arctic will be littered with their Chinese shit so that the moss will not grow and this is death like for Nanai
      3. Sea snake
        Sea snake 23 March 2014 17: 50
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        The author's "duet" probably dabbled in mushrooms for lunch.

        It seems that some mushrooms were not enough. In general, the article very much looks like a pro-Chinese one. Have you paid?
        Strange phrases:
        We need investments and technologies that can be obtained through the Arctic partnership with China. --- Investments, perhaps yes, but I didn’t hear something about modern technologies of China for the production of oil and gas hydrocarbons beyond the Arctic Circle. IMHO: Here Norway and Russia rule.
        China as a permanent observer in the AU --- by hook or by crook recently wedged ... and then under the cover of Iceland.
        China wants to contribute to peace and security in the region ... presence in the AU is only symbolic for China. и
        China has no geopolitical claims on the Arctic. --- Excuse me, but why would he need an atomic submarine in the Arctic Ocean, though one? laughing
        in, you yourself refute your writing:
        China will defend its military interests in the Arctic, creating a group of surface and submarine forces there. --- You grills only about ONE submarine! smile If you do not know, then the PRC authorities have already launched a large-scale program to build their own icebreaker fleet.
        help Russia enlist strong support from China --- China is already trading its support chtoli?
        If Russia is delayed, China will alternatively come closer to other Arctic countries, including the USA and Canada. --- an open attempt at blackmail! Good ally, damn it.
        In general, note, CNPC (China State Oil Corporation) already signed an agreement with Rosneft on a joint study of the potential of the West Prinovozemelsky site in the Barents Sea and the South Russian and Medynsko-Varandey in Pechora. But this is only a joint RESEARCH.
        China is not washed by the Arctic Ocean, so there is nothing for it to do there ... it can only participate in this way - by investments.
        The article is fat-rrrrr minus!
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 23 March 2014 18: 53
          +3
          Quote: Sea Snake
          It seems that some mushrooms were not enough.

          This is already very, very serious. sad .. So the mushrooms "shone" as an Afghan woman. yes It turned out to be picky, since they began to confuse the banks .. wassat .
      4. de klermon
        de klermon 23 March 2014 19: 18
        +1
        What technologies for the development of the ARCTIC can China provide for Russia? Stolen from us? Yes, within the framework of such "cooperation" he will trample everything that has not yet been done! They also found altruists in China! This is an offer from the category "we ourselves cannot, so let them, not the USA"! It's like in Western Ukraine: "I will give myself to anyone, if only not Russia!" Well, suppose we let them go there, but why do they need us there? And do you propose this with your own hands?
        Bullshit, not an article ...
      5. Sakmagon
        Sakmagon 23 March 2014 19: 43
        0
        That is why Russia needs ... to attract ... a long-standing partner - China

        LET THE GOAT TO THE GARDEN!
        By the way, what is this "Author ... Pavel Grachev"?
        Is it not that Pasha that with the Yeltsin, the Russian army derbanil?!?
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 23 March 2014 19: 52
          0
          Quote: Sacmagon
          By the way, what is this "Author ... Pavel Grachev"?
          Is it not Pasha that with Yeltsin

          From that light?
      6. lelikas
        lelikas 23 March 2014 23: 40
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        The author's "duet" probably dabbled in mushrooms for lunch

        I generally thought that P. Grachev had long died ....
    4. Alexha
      Alexha 23 March 2014 16: 52
      -3
      ... unless the Chinese ...
    5. Interface
      Interface 23 March 2014 18: 11
      +1
      The author of this article-- you are dumb. Why should we share OUR territory with the Chinese? fool
      1. Sergey.58
        Sergey.58 23 March 2014 18: 41
        -1
        The author of this article-- you are dumb. Why should we share OUR territory with the Chinese?
        Why grab more than you can hold? They slipped you a "Trojan horse" (Sevastopol) and you thought about yourself ...
    6. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 23 March 2014 19: 35
      0
      Only I would be careful with China kissing the gums. We ourselves with a mustache and our Antarctica! That's just under the harsh terrain needed harsh equipment. I have not seen her yet ...
    7. chehywed
      chehywed 24 March 2014 03: 34
      0
      Quote: Author Maria Ananyeva, Pavel Grachev
      Russia has a unique opportunity for the full development of these reserves to use China's financial, labor, technological resources, which has advanced technologies for the extraction of resources and is looking for partners for their development

      I read up to this point and realized that the article was ordered. The USSR began geological exploration in the Arctic in the early 80s. Arctic oil began to flow in the late 90s. And what, "yat", can China teach us, which does not have access to the Arctic? What loudly "advanced technologies for resource extraction"?
  2. Hairy Siberian
    Hairy Siberian 23 March 2014 15: 47
    +14
    What does China have to do with the Arctic? Obviously not geographic.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 23 March 2014 15: 57
      +6
      Quote: Hairy Siberian
      What does China have to do with the Arctic? Obviously not geographic.

      China will go farther than it sees if it opens its mouth on Our Arctic! She is OUR!
      1. Alex Danilov
        Alex Danilov 23 March 2014 17: 04
        +1
        Everyone will fly!
    2. svetlomor
      svetlomor 23 March 2014 16: 00
      +2
      China has money, and this is not enough.
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 23 March 2014 16: 04
        +4
        Quote: svetlomor
        China has money, and this is not enough.

        Money is just paper, they need something to reinforce. But the fact that China has nimble people. Wow! A lot of nimble people.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 23 March 2014 18: 33
          +1
          Quote: Hairy Siberian
          A lot of nimble people.

          So nimble that you should turn away for a second, as you can’t count something. request
      2. Alexha
        Alexha 23 March 2014 16: 53
        -3
        China also has nuclear weapons. A few years ago, China made 140 nuclear charges per year.
    3. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN 23 March 2014 16: 03
      +1
      This is the Antarctic-Arctic above.
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 23 March 2014 16: 11
        +4
        Quote: VNP1958PVN
        This is the Antarctic-Arctic above.

        You destroy the brain of the Chinese. winked
  3. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 23 March 2014 15: 51
    +1
    Let them help, a lot of them.
  4. hrych
    hrych 23 March 2014 15: 53
    +12
    We in the Arctic do not need the Chinese at all, we can handle it ourselves.
    1. a52333
      a52333 23 March 2014 15: 56
      +7
      Precisely. why a ferret in a chicken coop? We can handle it ourselves.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 23 March 2014 16: 19
      +8
      Quote: hrych
      We in the Arctic do not need Chinese at all

      Definitely! You can’t let the Chinese into the Arctic, then you can’t get them out of there just like that!
  5. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 23 March 2014 15: 55
    +8
    Excuse me, why the hell?
    We need China in the Arctic, like a bayan goat ...
    Let him use our logistics (for money), let him buy resources from us!
    But let the Arctic, NOO !!! Let graze in your region ...

    And in general, it is time to claim the right to Antarctica! By the right of discoverers!
  6. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 23 March 2014 15: 57
    +5
    Passed the article. Inadequate article. I don’t see logic. Instead of China, insert any country into the text, the meaning of the text does not change. And on the contrary, this article is why China needs to become a partner of the Russian Federation in the development of the Arctic.

    Russia needs to develop a strategy to protect its national interests in the region, and it’s possible to attract a long-standing partner, China, for cooperation.

    for this we need china as a partner (?):

    If China succeeds in deploying a nuclear submarine in the Arctic in the future, it will create conditions for strategic containment of Russia
  7. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 23 March 2014 15: 58
    +2
    The Arctic is the facade of Russia!
  8. w2000
    w2000 23 March 2014 16: 00
    +3
    Our Arctic, and China has nothing to do there. One has only to let the goat into the garden, then you won’t smoke anything from there. They want to use SevMorPut - please, after paying duties, icebreakers and refueling in our ports, but no more.
  9. andrei332809
    andrei332809 23 March 2014 16: 02
    +4
    and India, which side to the Arctic? and do we need china there? if you really want to, let Canada wring it. and I think we can handle the Arctic ourselves, without helpers
  10. Artois
    Artois 23 March 2014 16: 02
    0
    Haha China the Arctic they have a bunch of interests and problems in Okinawa, The interests of Russia and China lie in different territorial areas, but supporting each other on the political front is right
  11. delfinN
    delfinN 23 March 2014 16: 04
    +7
    This is our cow. And we alone will milk it.
  12. vinik1996
    vinik1996 23 March 2014 16: 06
    +1
    Arctic to the Chinese:
    There is that it is, only who will give him (them) ... laughing
  13. Dikson
    Dikson 23 March 2014 16: 11
    +6
    I didn't like the article ... To let the Chinese into our Arctic is to ruin the ecology forever ... I do not argue that China has made an impressive leap forward in its economic development, but at what cost to nature? They poison rivers at home with technological discharges, they have smog hanging over the cities - there is nothing to breathe ... The authors of the article think that the Chinese will take care of foreign territory? And what does Chinese technology have to do with protecting our Arctic? What, the Chinese have three hundred years of experience in the development of the Arctic Ocean? Some nonsense. It's not the Chinese names on the world map that the islands, seas and straits are signed ... This is the Russian North .. - from Spitsbergen to California itself ...)) We need to revive the icebreaker fleet and for VERY ADDITIONAL MONEY send Chinese ships along the Northern Sea Route. In our Arctic, anybody was in charge anyway .. - The Germans had a submarine base on Novaya Zemlya, the Admiral Scheer dangled in the Kara Sea .., then NATO RSs flew all the way along the edge of the radar zones throughout our Arctic .. And we have one Amderma, and a couple of MIGs in Alykeli on the DB .. Here you just need to revive points on the islands and the coast, to restore piers in ports for the entry of warships ...
  14. Sotnik77s
    Sotnik77s 23 March 2014 16: 12
    +4
    Yes, this partner will help and support when he was in Afghanistan, he also helped, he only supplied the dushmans with mines, which we copied from us, and all this helped to kill our soldiers, we already helped this China a lot, as a result we got a geopolitical enemy, which happened that he won’t miss his, including our territory !!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. mariya
    mariya 23 March 2014 16: 13
    +3
    I'm not sure that China has no geopolitical claims to the Arctic (and not only to the Arctic)! This multimillion-strong country must somewhere place its people, so they peacefully "conquer" and "master" territories ...
    They have already "mastered" the Far East, wherever they spit - the Chinese, now it remains to "master" the Arctic. What can you say, a cunning nation! ... But you need to cooperate with them even more cunning and smarter !!!!
  16. erased
    erased 23 March 2014 16: 15
    +8
    Or maybe just die to the joy of others? And we will free the place and do not interfere. China has no relationship to the Arctic in terms of geography. And this discussion can be closed. He wants to drive goods through the Northern Sea Route? Easy, pay and take it, on Russian ships with Russian icebreakers accompanied. Wants to buy resources? Easy. Pay and receive. By Russian pipes or on Russian ships.
    He wants the Russian land? Easy. Get a bit of rockets. And this applies not only to China.
    A strategic partner is good. A brazen invader is deadly bad.
  17. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 23 March 2014 16: 21
    +2
    We still lacked Chinese missile submarines in the Arctic! And they will come after the investment!
  18. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 16: 29
    +6
    The author either cut into a pine tree or fell from an oak tree. Which Arctic? Why not the Persian Gulf for example, there are the same resources .. What did the author even think about anything, but not about the geopolitical interests of Russia. Investment - let the oligarchs shake. And I have some vague doubts that China has experience in developing the northern deposits, and where did they get the technology from then ..? Delusional article ...
  19. konvalval
    konvalval 23 March 2014 16: 30
    0
    Give again. Tired of it.
  20. Neighbor from below
    Neighbor from below 23 March 2014 16: 32
    +1
    What the hell is China in the Arctic ????. The author be realistic, do not live by prejudices and stupid stereotypes. fool
  21. Chifka
    Chifka 23 March 2014 16: 32
    +4
    Is this an advertisement for a new smoking mixture? A recipe would be ....
    If the "Chinese nuclear submarine" by some miracle manages to swim into the Arctic waters (I won’t be surprised, Chinese navigators, Panimaish), then the Russian fleet and Russia in general, as well as the United States and Geyrope in the Arctic, has nothing to do? All type,? The size of the submarine will block all entrances and exits to the Arctic, and the billion submariners and two billion paratroopers deployed on it will devour all the reserves of the northern hemisphere, including Khrushchev's corn?
    It’s a good mix for the campaign ... Nada to smoke a little article to emboss ... About the upcoming capture of Washington by the Tumba-Yumba tribe from the Yumba-Tumba island ... Wait.
  22. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 23 March 2014 16: 33
    +2
    "Experts", oklmn! It is absurd to invite the Chinese to explore the Arctic when they have an army of unemployed people!
    It's like a single family couple inherited a 4-room apartment and, out of boredom, invite a "modest" gypsy family to live with them!
    The result will be the same, I think, in both cases!
  23. Metlik
    Metlik 23 March 2014 16: 33
    +2
    "In this regard, it needs investments and technologies that can be obtained through the Arctic partnership with China."

    What do authors understand by investment? Selling deposits to foreigners? What we ourselves can’t get?

    What special technologies can China share? None.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 23 March 2014 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: Metlik

      What special technologies can China share? None.

      Who can even share the technology for developing oil and gas fields on the shelf of the seas, half a year covered with ice? None. We will be the first!
  24. ssf2257
    ssf2257 23 March 2014 16: 39
    0
    Just started the unification of the Russian lands, here they offer a gift to China. Are the authors whitewashed at all?
  25. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 16: 40
    +4
    Quote: Neighbor from below
    What the hell is China in the Arctic ????. The author be realistic, do not live by prejudices and stupid stereotypes. fool

    And the author is a realist - the Chinas really pay him, you look at a couple of thousand of such articles, and the people get the idea that this is right.
  26. Maxim90
    Maxim90 23 March 2014 16: 53
    +3
    The author contradicts himself. Author: If in the future China manages to deploy a nuclear submarine in the Arctic, it will create conditions for strategic containment of Russia, Europe and the USA. Taking into account individual statements by Chinese military experts and representatives of the generals, one cannot but admit that China will defend its military interests in the Arctic, creating a group of surface and submarine forces there. That is why Russia needs to develop a strategy to protect its national interests in the region, and you can attract a long-standing partner to the cooperation - China. ???
  27. IGS
    IGS 23 March 2014 17: 02
    +3
    Still someone to file a couple of three thousand square kilometers? Since 2014 we do not serve, do not sell or give away!
  28. Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 23 March 2014 17: 10
    +1
    Neither is there any kind of China there for us. We ourselves will not give anything to anyone with a mustache of ours! What the hell is some China there for us?
  29. individual
    individual 23 March 2014 17: 17
    0
    How not to repeat "Alaska-Russian America".
    When in 1867 Russia, for 7,2 million dollars, sold its possessions in North America (with a total area of ​​1 km²).
    The prosperity of the company according to the annual reports of the General Board was a complete deception. In fact, by the end of the 1850s, the Main Board came to complete bankruptcy.
    The way out of this situation was found in the sale of American possessions.
    The Arctic should be Russian or allow the same Chinese to develop concessions, but only of individual complexes.
    Here, just let China gain a foothold in the Arctic.
    If the "Asian tiger" is gaining its power, if it doesn’t buy it, it will simply squeeze out any competitor where it is necessary to invest, invest and invest in undeveloped territories in order to obtain a distant final result.
  30. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 17: 19
    +1
    Northern Norway - Svalbard - there really is a Chinese Yellow River station there since 2003. And our villages - 3 pcs. there is not far relatively. Only Norwegians and Russians can carry out economic activities. So let them "smoke" on the sidelines for now.
  31. delfinN
    delfinN 23 March 2014 17: 20
    +1
    From that moment on, the "international tank sign" is on your collar, well, then you know ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 March 2014 17: 42
      0
      But we will indulge in values ​​and rules, and in terms of concepts, too, is the place of such General Secrets at p.arashi ...
  32. Frate
    Frate 23 March 2014 17: 28
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    The author's "duet" probably dabbled in mushrooms for lunch. ... I quote-"If in the future China manages to deploy a nuclear submarine in the Arctic, it will create conditions for the strategic containment of Russia, Europe and the United States." and here "Without justified claims for exploration and production of resources in the Arctic, as well as for its geopolitical consolidation in the region, China can gain access to the extraction of resources and the Northern Sea Route in exchange for investments and technologies. Profitable contracts for joint production of minerals, guarantees the most favorable conditions for the use of the Northern Sea Route will help Russia to enlist significant support from the PRC ". Question- FUCK us such a partner in the development of our bowels who sleeps and sees how to drive the submarine into the Arctic Ocean in order to detach what belongs to US? China can and should be supported in political components, but not as in issues of joint management in resources. Let him take care of the ATF, it will not be so unprofitable .. We will figure it out in our pantry ..

    Almost word for word I thought. But, late with comment. Thank you for your unanimity. Nicely.
  33. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 17: 32
    +2
    Quote: delfinN
    From that moment on, the "international tank sign" is on your collar, well, then you know ...

    "Rasmussen - aka a surface gauge, was born on the instructions of the intelligence center, is characterized" - Usually it is a rack with a clamp in which a scribe is fixed.
    Thicknessers can be made of hardwood and are a block with a rectangular hole-Wikipedia. smile
  34. NDR-791
    NDR-791 23 March 2014 17: 39
    0
    That is, China has no geopolitical claims to the Arctic.
    I propose to be wary of such statements. The fact is that the mentality of the Chinese with their more than five thousand years of history does not imply a relationship of partnership, but only a relationship of the "senior - junior" type. And as soon as they feel the slack, they immediately arrogantly take their own. Hasan, Khalkhin Gol, the Kwantung Army, Korea, Daman, Vietnam - all this is right in front of China's nose. Now so much mud is being poured onto these OUR victories. But if it were not for the above, we would have been in the "junior" category for a long time and Hitler would have seemed like a lamb.
  35. homosum20
    homosum20 23 March 2014 17: 39
    +4
    Can. But it is not necessary.
    China is no better than America. Just while weaker.
    No one else's investment. Enough of our fleet, army and air force.
    Here the entrance (to cooperation) is a penny, but there will not be enough cartridges to exit.
    IMHO.
    1. delfinN
      delfinN 23 March 2014 17: 46
      +1
      Reminded:
      -What's up?
      -So-so...
      - It turns out bad?
      - No, it’s good, it’s bad.
  36. Frate
    Frate 23 March 2014 17: 48
    +1
    Our ancestors (including my direct ones) mastered the North Seas, Siberia, the Far East. Siberia is already full of Chinese. About the Far East and say no. Is there a forum from the Khabarovsk Territory? I myself have not been there for a long time, but comrades said that many of our pensioners live in China, and they come to the Territory only for retirement. For this retirement of theirs, life in China is cheaper. The Chinese, on the contrary, have long crossed our borders and are doing business successfully. Our unemployed laborers on them. This mass will go back only by force. I myself saw a Chinese political map (in the near future) - before the Urals, their color. Our authorities know about this, but for some reason they monitor the people with this article. Touchstone. If we swallow it, tomorrow all the media will convince us how good we are with the Chinese at the poles of the Earth.
  37. kocclissi
    kocclissi 23 March 2014 17: 49
    0
    Explore is please, and dig .. let it be better to dig Antarctica!
  38. AleksPol
    AleksPol 23 March 2014 17: 51
    +2
    Give them a finger, they will swallow the whole hand. Kmtay guys guys imagine.
  39. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 23 March 2014 18: 01
    0
    The Arctic can be made Russian-Chinese
    - GOD Maria Ananyeva and Pavel Grachev "thought" for a long time, and with what?
    So you can go "far" to the JOY of the "WORLD COMMUNITY", they will instantly "MORE RUSSIA" !.
    It is necessary for Russians and Russians from the former USSR, who want to find their HOMELAND-Russia, to make the uninhabited expanses of Russia and Alaska attractive, and people will reach out, and give it to foreigners who are "drooling" on RUSSIAN lands, this is - surrender.
  40. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 March 2014 18: 06
    +3
    And I want and inject. China is a powerful player and it will not miss its own. One way or another, he will find a "weak link" in the AU and bind him by lobbying his interests in other areas. It is more profitable to have China as allies than opponents. The only thing that scares you is through dimensional gain in poorly developed areas. It may so happen that only Chinese citizens will be located in significant territories of the north of Russia and there will be no one even to control their activities. On the other hand, while we have the strategic nuclear weapons to formally seize the territory, we will have the same task, but in the future anything is possible.
    But in any case, the Chinese question will have to be resolved sooner or later. Therefore, it makes sense to start solving it now, before China reaches its peak, and Russia has the strength and resources. Moreover, there is an opportunity to start with allied relations, and this is a handicap.
    1. raven75
      raven75 23 March 2014 18: 49
      +1
      Fuck what he finds, this "powerful player", according to YaO-pissed puppy, in front of Russia and the United States. In terms of population, yes, there are no questions, ahead of the rest of the planet, for which it gets ahead. And he knows that even the powerful USSR and the United States were planning a possible war against this monstrous mass of people, only nuclear. And in SUCH a war, China, despite all its economic achievements, pisses off both Russia and the United States. But, bastard, cunning. Makes curtsies to us (bigger and lower) and the USA (smaller and thinner). It is clear that Russia, bordering on China, does not need to spend expensive ICBMs, etc. It is enough to dump the entire obsolete nuclear arsenal, and in China, not only will there be no Chinese mouse left.
  41. Partizan
    Partizan 23 March 2014 18: 29
    +2
    Let China grow rice in Africa, let the yellow asses go to the Arctic, you can expect all kinds of bullies from these "comrades". They are now arming with wild speed, and their special forces are trained to fight in the snow.
  42. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 18: 43
    +1
    Quote: homosum20
    Can. But it is not necessary.
    China is no better than America. Just while weaker.
    No one else's investment. Enough of our fleet, army and air force.
    Here the entrance (to cooperation) is a penny, but there will not be enough cartridges to exit.
    IMHO.

    There will be enough cartridges, but human people will end. The rest is FOR! It would be nice to introduce a small dry tip to us without fanaticism, it would not be bad, the birth rate will trample only this way.
  43. raven75
    raven75 23 March 2014 18: 44
    +3
    Neh there do the Chinese. No options.
  44. Dikson
    Dikson 23 March 2014 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: chunga-changa
    It may so happen that in the large territories of the north of Russia only Chinese citizens will be present and their activities will not even be controlled at all.

    And here I remembered a storyteller .. -Extreme jeepers in the taiga raided the Transbaikal raid ... Well, they drowned .. -The crawled week crawled where they looked. So they would have died if they had not gone to a logging in the taiga. And, characteristically, Chinese. With heavy equipment, the whole village. And - not a single Russian. So, they explained on the fingers, these Chinese people brought them to civilization ... Here you have the Russian taiga-Siberia ...
    But in general, the Chinese expansion in the world is the most correct ... They seem to not be at war, but look, in America - they built civilization on a par with Europeans, they’re settling in Africa, we have plenty of them in Siberia .. and Everything is so slowly, with smiles and polite bows, assimilating into the economy, and occupying territories without a fight ..)
  45. serge siberian
    serge siberian 23 March 2014 18: 50
    +3
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    guys !!! The Chinese leadership of the country launched to the east. RUSSIA ECOLOGY DAMAGE billions !!!!!! stop THERE WILL NOT BE ANYWHERE THAT THE ARCTIC WILL BE LAUNCHED UNDER ANY VIEW! EVEN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE !!! ecology affairs at the direction from the top have closed! Politics ma ........ shu!
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 23 March 2014 19: 13
      +4
      100-meter greenhouse Siberian Chinese brings a million rubles. for the season .. on chemical fertilizers and other nastiness ... and such greenhouses in Siberia - you can’t count .. and the earth is killed to death ..
  46. Status
    Status 23 March 2014 19: 06
    +1
    Quote: Interface
    The author of this article-- you are dumb. Why should we share OUR territory with the Chinese? fool


    You say the truth, the author on soap, a provocative article, it was necessary to think of constructing such a design! am
    We'll figure it out ourselves.
  47. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 19: 19
    0
    "The fact is that the mentality of the Chinese with their more than five thousand years of history"
    And someone forgot about our Ancient Slovian calendar-gift and recorded at least a history of 7000 years. And why are the defensive lines of the Chinese wall for the most part facing China? But tourists are not allowed there. I gave 200 tanks, they drove me in and showed me. Do not take a picture was an order at gunpoint Kalash.
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  49. Partizan
    Partizan 23 March 2014 19: 29
    0
    Quote: Dikson
    Quote: chunga-changa
    It may so happen that in the large territories of the north of Russia only Chinese citizens will be present and their activities will not even be controlled at all.

    And here I remembered one plot ..... And, which is characteristic, -Chinese. With heavy equipment, the whole village. And - not a single Russian. So, they explained on the fingers, these Chinese people brought them to civilization ... Here you have the Russian taiga-Siberia ...
    ... in Africa, they are getting settled, in Siberia we are already full of them .. And Everything is slowly, with smiles and polite bows, assimilating into the economy, and occupying territories without a fight ..)

    100-meter greenhouse Siberian Chinese brings a million rubles. for the season .. on chemical fertilizers and other nastiness ... and such greenhouses in Siberia - you can’t count .. and the earth is killed to death ..

    Yes, and all this with the tacit consent of Russian officials, generously paid in Chinese dollars with consent ... And clearly in Putin's way: "Whoever says" Russia is for the Russians, "is just a primer or provocateurs."
  50. Egor.nic
    Egor.nic 23 March 2014 19: 30
    +3
    Absolute nonsense, sorry for the expression. It would not work - "they put the pig at the table, and she and her feet on the table." It will be more expensive for such and similar investors to enter the Arctic. It will no longer be possible to get them out of there. First, there will be love to the grave, then scandals and twisting of hands, and then ..... I would not want a third world because of such stupidity.