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Finland: part of Russia or a member of NATO?

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Last year, the Finnish public talked about the fact that it would be nice for Finland to join the Russian Federation with rights similar to those of Hong Kong in China. Entry would be beneficial because the north-western region of Russia is an established market for Finns. And in some places in Finland they began to accept rubles. Also, the Finns decided to learn Russian in large numbers - starting right from the schools. However, now, after the “Crimean crisis”, the attitude towards Russia has changed. Already in Helsinki, the voice of a brisk public figure and lawyer Hanna Krogerus, who hatched ideas about uniting the two countries, is not heard. There are completely different voices - from the government. In Helsinki, once again thinking about joining NATO. Finnish Prime Minister Jyrki Katainen said in an interview with the German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel that his country does not take a neutral position in the Russian-Ukrainian conflict. This is how politics can stick a stick in the wheel of the economy.


Finnish schools are intensively studying Swedish. However, in January 2013, residents of Eastern Finland Province decided that the time had come to learn Russian. Finns briskly trade with Russians, sometimes they drink Russian vodka, speak with Russian tourists, and they themselves go on tours. Does St. Petersburg speak Swedish? In addition, the Swedish will soon become obsolete: by the 2021, the “Swedes” and “Norwegians” will speak Arabic. So think analysts.

However, President Sauli Niinistö last year explained that “you shouldn’t oppose Swedish and Russian. It is in our interests to offer young people maximum opportunities for success. ”

And yet, as пишет The Finnish edition of Iltalehti, according to the survey, about 90% of the population in Eastern Finland speaks in favor of replacing Swedish school lessons with Russian language lessons.

In March of the same 2013, as reported Information portal of the Russian community of Latvia With reference to the press service of Johan Beckman, Hanna Krogerus, an influential Finnish public figure, lawyer, and lawyer, said that he wanted to see his homeland as part of Russia.

In the influential Finnish magazine Suomen Kuvalehti, Comrade Krogerus wrote down his economic and political idea in detail: “Of course, Finland must be Hong Kong within Russia. It is the international economic community from Asia to America that demands this. Finland still has a chance to occupy the same position in Russia as Hong Kong occupies in China. ” He cited the following argument: "For us, the entire north-western region of Russia is already a home market." The only problem is young politicians-russophobes. They want to isolate Finland from Russia, the lawyer believes.

In this opinion about the fate of the motherland, Hanna Krogerus is not alone. Earlier, Juho Eerola, a member of the Finnish parliament from the True Finns party, proposed the creation of a strategic military alliance between Finland and Russia. According to Comrade Aerola, this is the only way to guarantee the safety and well-being of Finland. And his fellow party member Hemmo Koskiniemi went further: he demanded to include Finland back into Russia.

According to the friendly opinion of True Finns, an autonomous Finland within the “Russian empire” is the only way to fight against the EU, NATO, as well as aggressive Swedes.

And here is another Finnish fact in favor of Russia, also from 2013 of the year.

According to recent opinion polls, the majority of Finns oppose the country's entry into NATO. According to the research center “Taloustutkimus”, which polled the population last summer, only 29% percent support the country's entry into the alliance. He writes about it RBC. Opponents of Finland’s entry into NATO are already 52%. As noted by the head of research at Taloustutkimus, Juho Rahkonen, the majority of Finns believe that Finland should make decisions on its own, regardless of what the neighboring countries are doing.

However, in March 2014, after the famous referendum in Crimea, the Finnish government took the floor. As it turned out, his opinion not only does not coincide with the opinion of the progressive part of the Finnish people, but even diametrically opposes it. It turned out that the independence of the political decisions of the Finnish people - alas - can only dream.

Finnish Prime Minister Jyrki Katainen сказал in an interview with the Berlin newspaper Der Tagesspiegel, that the country is not a neutral party to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict. This statement was a kind of "third party" response to the proposal of the former US Secretary of State G. Kissinger, addressed to Ukraine.

Mr. Kissinger suggested that Kiev adhere to the “Finlandization” policy, i.e., maintain neutrality. The Finnish Prime Minister noted that he deeply respects Kissinger, but does not agree with all his provisions. I do not agree because the former US Secretary of State sees Finland as a country during the Cold War. Jyrki Katainen reminded GK that Finland has been a member of the EU for almost two decades. He added: "We no longer take a neutral position, although we do not join any military alliance." And then Mr. Katainen told the German newspaper that Finland is constantly considering the possibility of joining NATO. The decision to join the alliance does not depend on the country's desire to maintain good relations with Russia.

Such a harsh and unpleasant statement for Moscow. Whether it was a response to Kissinger’s unambiguous statement, partly resembling good advice to a “non-independent” player in the political arena, or the whole West represented by Barack Obama gave Helsinki’s valuable instructions — that is, made some offers that could not be refused. All this is covered by the darkness of political secrets.

As for Kissinger’s statement, it’s not lonely either.

Jack Matlock Jr., who worked as the US ambassador to the USSR in 1987-1991 (that is, to reorganization), recently published a plan of necessary Western actions in Ukraine in Time magazine. Excerpts from this plan leads St. Petersburg portal online812.ru.

First, Western states should abandon harsh criticism and concentrate on stabilizing the situation in Ukraine. Secondly, Ukraine itself does not need to mourn the loss of the Crimea, on the contrary, we should be glad about the future fortification: “Nothing makes a nation weaker than the territory whose residents want to become citizens of another country.” Thirdly, Matlock advises Ukraine to give Russian the same status as Ukrainian. Fourth, the former ambassador invites Ukraine to declare that the country will not join NATO or another military alliance, which does not include the Russian Federation. Fifth, the ex-ambassador cited the example of Finland, resigned to the territorial losses 1939 year. The former diplomat described the behavior of this country in the political arena by the Russian saying “Hush the waters below the grass”. As for the USA, they are advised by Matlock “to try not to play an active role, but to facilitate negotiations and bring the parties closer together.”

However, it is obvious that the West does not heed sensible advice. How is that - Washington will play the role of some kind of second or even third plan? Well, in extras? .. The White House got used to the main roles!

As for the “cold war” mentioned above, whatever the Finnish rulers say, it never ended. Political, they are also economic, conflicts in the world will never cease at all - to think otherwise means not to understand either the theory of evolution or the reasons for the existence of competition. Therefore, the statement of the Finnish Prime Minister is not at all a rejection of the rhetoric of the Cold War, but just its confirmation. And the objection to Kissinger looks like the most real "dependent" behavior of Finland - not to mention the fact that the statement of the Prime Minister contradicts the wishes of the Finnish people. Of course, this is another big question - will Finland join NATO, or not. But the fact that Katainen made a rejection of neutrality precisely after the Crimean referendum is very symptomatic ...

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  1. Romanychby
    Romanychby 24 March 2014 08: 49
    +40
    Something everyone broke into the structure of Russia. Is this fashionable this season? :)
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 24 March 2014 08: 57
      +24
      no fair and safe.
      1. jjj
        jjj 24 March 2014 11: 22
        +32
        Once upon a time, Finland already asked to become part of the Russian Empire in order to protect itself from the Swedes. They had great independence. And women, the first in Europe, even had the right to vote. Their legislation was different. And the troops were Russians. And the governor was Russian. Now Finnish culture and language may disappear. "European values" are pressing very hard. But the Finns themselves want to do better with Russians than with others.
        1. raven75
          raven75 24 March 2014 12: 10
          +29
          She did not ask, she was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, with completely unimaginable rights and almost no duties. So I live like this! Then she became independent, began to take a lot on herself, received a pill from the Bolsheviks, and calmed down. Until 1939, when she again imagined a lot about herself and received a second time much more large lyuli. Whatever the shit about the Winter War shouted, Finland lost it with a crushing score. It calmed down, until 1941. Then, again they climbed into the war and got to the point that in 1944 they were afraid to even pull towards the USSR, suddenly, they would find a hole.
          1. Canep
            Canep 24 March 2014 12: 57
            +7
            Finland as part of Russia on the basis of broad autonomy ??? Something is not believed, although it would be interesting to see the reaction of the United States. They must be offered gas and oil at the cost of production and transportation in exchange for becoming part of Russia, though they will have to leave Schengen. If it does, then the EU will bend in a few years.
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            2. atalef
              atalef 24 March 2014 13: 24
              -5
              Quote: Canep
              Finland as part of Russia on the basis of broad autonomy ??? I don’t believe it, although it would be interesting to see the reaction of the United States

              Better to start by looking at the reaction of the Finns.
              Quote: Canep
              They should be offered gas and oil at the cost of production and transportation in exchange for joining Russia,

              Yes, they already live well
            3. DS14
              DS14 24 March 2014 14: 09
              +5
              Quote: Canep
              They must be offered gas and oil at the cost of production and transportation in exchange for joining Russia

            4. allexx83
              allexx83 25 March 2014 00: 59
              0
              Another condition is not to sell "nokia" to "microsoft")))))
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 24 March 2014 21: 24
          +1
          In the ass of these Finns, let them go to hell with us, yet they didn’t figure it out with hohland and Transnistria, and South Ossetia wants to unite with North Ossetia. We’ll take care of these problems for now, but let’s go and fuck them ...
        3. lana044
          lana044 25 March 2014 00: 50
          0
          European values ​​and the massive migration of Somalis, Kosovars and many others with a completely alien culture are killing Finnish culture, replacing it with some dubious ersatz. And in general, it is doubtful that the Finnish government can say or decide something ... It simply, like all European governments, trivially voices the opinion of the person watching over Europe.
    2. bvi1965
      bvi1965 24 March 2014 09: 16
      +20
      No news from Alaska yet?
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 24 March 2014 09: 44
        +11
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 24 March 2014 09: 51
          +7
          The redivision of the world begins, well, as the redivision of the world, sane peoples begin to act. Crimea has already done this. Who is next?
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 24 March 2014 16: 47
          +1
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          News from Alaska

          and the drafters of the petition completely uh ... how to say, ceased to be friends with the head
          Groups of Russians in Siberia crossed the Isthmus (now the Bering Strait) 16-10 thousand years ago. Russians began to settle on the Arctic coast, the Aleuts inhabited the Aleutian Archipelago.

          we, Russians are not ancient Ukrainians, then we were not there yet.
          1. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov 24 March 2014 21: 57
            +2
            Quote: wasjasibirjac
            we, Russians are not ancient Ukrainians, then we were not there yet.

            Now it’s already difficult to judge, in what century Russia originated. But judging by how it was etched from documents and people's heads, the bill was not at all in favor of the West!
            Well, there are no secrets with Ukraine. I won’t even repeat, it’s already disgusting!
        3. Kuzbassovets
          Kuzbassovets 24 March 2014 19: 25
          +2
          I also signed it))) the trouble is registered there, but now I’m signing them, they’ll fuck up raking
        4. Ivan79
          Ivan79 24 March 2014 19: 41
          +3
          I signed up ... smile
        5. Kazanec
          Kazanec 24 March 2014 22: 19
          0
          And they said that this vote was removed from the database site ??? And it is :) Until April 20, you still need to collect a bunch of signatures, you need to activate activists :))))
        6. Kazanec
          Kazanec 24 March 2014 22: 23
          +1
          The Chinese should be asked to set a task for their people to support the petition :))) Since the UN Security Council abstained, then they will support it :)
      2. poccinin
        poccinin 24 March 2014 10: 31
        +8
        11 people have already signed up. The process is underway fellow
        1. wolfhunter2035
          wolfhunter2035 24 March 2014 11: 13
          +4
          already 13000 people! Hooray!
          1. DeOS78RU
            DeOS78RU 24 March 2014 13: 43
            +2
            144550 is growing pretty fast)
            1. tyumen901
              tyumen901 24 March 2014 21: 51
              0
              identity signed, 17,897
      3. bif
        bif 24 March 2014 21: 08
        +3
        Quote: bvi1965
        No news from Alaska yet?

        There is news! Even interesting than trolling about Alaska!
        “Argentina, the second largest country in South America, has agreed to place Russian military bases on its territory.
        Following the logical chain, it can be understood that this move of the Russian Federation will cause concern to the United States. After all, Argentina and its close ally Venezuela have friendly relations with Iran.

        This decision was made precisely when the whole world — and the USA — was fixated on the events taking place in Ukraine. For the first time, the idea of ​​locating military bases in South America was discussed by Vladimir Putin with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in February.

        Forming Russian bases and increasing the Russian presence in the Western Hemisphere will be a daunting task for US policy and will be marked by a decrease in Washington’s influence.

        America has never had sufficient missile defense systems along its southern borders and cannot adequately defend them against any missile strike from the south. "Http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/88993/
  2. awg75
    awg75 24 March 2014 08: 59
    +2
    Several years ago, an international poll was conducted among most countries of the world - "Which country does not like Russia the most." so it’s not strange, Finland won. like this...
    1. Ilja 22
      Ilja 22 24 March 2014 09: 02
      +12
      Yes, they were always traitors, they remained them, where the homeland is warmer there, with the Finns you have to be on a short leg
      1. bif
        bif 24 March 2014 11: 07
        -2
        Quote: Ilja 22
        Yes, they were always traitors, they remained them, where the homeland is warmer there, with the Finns you have to be on a short leg

        Meanwhile, on the Finnish border ....
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 24 March 2014 15: 57
        +4
        "On a short leg" means to be in a trusting, friendly relationship with someone who is "above" you. Maybe you wanted to say on a "short leash"?
      3. Reks
        Reks 24 March 2014 22: 59
        +1
        .. "sometimes they drink Russian vodka" laughing as liberally written. "the inhabitants of the province of Eastern Finland decided it was time to learn Russian." what In, I did not get it right away. As it is, the day worked, stamped and, the word "abroad" has already been removed from Dates! laughing "province" - has brought confusion in the brain. Nope, in some cases drinks and so understood 100 percent of each other.
  3. shitovmg
    shitovmg 24 March 2014 09: 01
    +6
    Putin likes the western man in the street, especially against the background of his politicians!
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 24 March 2014 14: 24
      0
      Against the background of their leaders, and like a monkey, it’s not that GDP. Although they themselves chose
  4. NOMADE
    NOMADE 24 March 2014 09: 06
    +28
    If Finland ever becomes part of the Russian Federation, it will be good. Since the Finns, good guys, know how to fight and, unlike "sprats", do not "bend" much, and also know how to make good military equipment with a rather original approach. Perhaps, if the economic collapse of the European Union begins, then there is a probability of joining us.
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 24 March 2014 10: 17
      +5
      I also think so Finns are not bad people and in Russian Iperia they treated them well. Soon the world will reassess the actions of Russia, although the fact is that every day more and more citizens of other states look at the situation in the world with our eyes.
  5. Sashka_Gusar
    Sashka_Gusar 24 March 2014 09: 07
    +4
    Crimea - entered Russia before it became mainstream :)
  6. svp67
    svp67 24 March 2014 09: 08
    +26
    I don’t know how to be part of the Russian Federation, but to the Customs Union - you are welcome ... You will not lose.
    1. tihi-o
      tihi-o 24 March 2014 09: 23
      +16
      They cannot join the Customs Union with the RF. They are in another union and not even on the basis of an "association agreement"! Alas, they will have to suffer for a long time before they realize that there is no bread there ...
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 24 March 2014 09: 36
        +2
        Quote: tihi-o
        They cannot join the Customs Union with the RF. They are in another union and not even on the basis of an "association agreement"! Alas, they will have to suffer for a long time before they realize that there is no bread there ...


        Or until the EU itself falls apart, and such an option is not ruled out.
  7. Petrovich T
    Petrovich T 24 March 2014 09: 17
    +3
    If the Finns take a closer look at the Crimean operation, then over time they will see that it’s better to join Russia without a single shot with the help of polite people than to harness for the democratizer bombers. Nobody canceled the laws of the universe and the force of attraction of large objects is great. They will have to decide sooner or later ...
  8. Vanya Ivanov
    Vanya Ivanov 24 March 2014 09: 19
    +12
    Finland is unlikely to become part of Russia. The likelihood of joining NATO is the same. They have suffered and defended their independence (as it was, the question is different). In my opinion, the only education worthy of respect is those who fell off the Russian Empire. For them, it is more important to be in good neighborly relations with all neighbors.
    1. GP
      GP 24 March 2014 09: 45
      +4
      Quote: Vanya Ivanov
      Finland is unlikely to become part of Russia. The probability of joining NATO is the same. They have suffered and defended their independence


      Who and when encroached on the independence of the Finns so that they would suffer it? In the Winter War, the goal was to push the borders back to the pre-revolutionary ones, in fact, the Finns themselves started device when the state was created, grabbing the excess, but not capturing the country.
      1. Vanya Ivanov
        Vanya Ivanov 24 March 2014 10: 02
        +1
        Finland’s history begins long before the Winter War, doesn’t it seem so to you? One way or another, with the help of someone (RI) they achieved independence from Sweden. And in RI they lived apart, with their parliament, with their money, in fact their gosudarstvo.nu they did not bend ... national protest is also a form of upholding their independence as we see in the Crimea.
        1. GP
          GP 24 March 2014 12: 41
          +6
          Quote: Vanya Ivanov
          they ... national protest is also a form of upholding our independence as we see in the Crimea.


          The state of Finland appeared as a result of the revolution and the collapse of the Russian Empire. Up to this point, they lived under the Swedes for 600 years and I never know. After the war with the Swedes, it passed into Russian citizenship, and I also don't. Such a cheerful "national protest" as a form of upholding "independence". Absolutely nothing to do with Crimea.
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 24 March 2014 16: 24
            +3
            Yes, Finland was constantly dependent from 1150 to 1917. But neither the Swedes nor Russia eliminated the geographical and national affiliation of the Finns and other Finnish peoples. And the people themselves have existed for 10500 years. For example, both Scotland and Ireland did not disappear from the world map, although England ate them, and there are borders, languages, and customs.
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          3. Vanya Ivanov
            Vanya Ivanov 24 March 2014 17: 32
            +2
            and under Sweden I was buzzing. And under RI I was even more buzzing, and I have listed some principles for you. You didn’t want to notice them, unfortunately. You are probably an adult and if you are interested, then at least get acquainted with the history of Finland. ... well, read the book "overhaul" of Sobolev. believe me, absolutely nothing has changed since that moment. they say we did not become Swedes, they say we did not become Russians. believe it this way. they have determined themselves and it is unnecessary to drag someone by the hair. in Crimea, people said - WE ARE RUSSIAN. and it says ... that's all.
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    2. tolancop
      tolancop 24 March 2014 09: 51
      +13
      I probably agree. I have never heard that after the war the Finns stank towards the USSR. Neutrality was kept clearly. And they had considerable benefits from this. And the USSR was quite happy with this. The northern flank was covered by buffer territory, and for this, orders of the Finnish industry were thrown up and raw materials were supplied and Finnish products were bought.
      1. Nikolay74
        Nikolay74 24 March 2014 12: 40
        +5
        Like in the film Afonya, when he changed the Finnish plumbing professor to cast iron, he changed laughing
    3. Good cat
      Good cat 24 March 2014 14: 11
      0
      What for do we need them?
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      2. Vanya Ivanov
        Vanya Ivanov 24 March 2014 17: 39
        0
        here I am for the fact that they would be unnecessary to anyone. A normal non-aligned state.
  9. Siberian19
    Siberian19 24 March 2014 09: 25
    +5
    The Finns were part of the Russian Empire, there were no problems! So, recently in Finland the idea of ​​close integration with the Russian Federation is becoming more and more popular - up to joining it.

    “Could Finland become Russian Hong Kong?” This is the name of the article in the authoritative journal Suomen Kuvalehti, written by an influential Finnish public figure, businessman and lawyer Hannu Krogerus. He himself answers this question positively: “This is what the current economic situation throughout the world requires, from Asia to America. Finland should seize the opportunity and gain the same international status with respect to Russia as Hong Kong has with respect to mainland China. ”

    According to him, in the current difficult economic conditions, the national tragedy lies in the fact that modern young, talented, but inexperienced politicians representing the interests of a narrow stratum of the elite practically want to isolate Finland from Russia.

    Interestingly, Hannu Krogerus is not alone in her opinion regarding the joint Finnish-Russian future. Recently, a member of the local parliament from the True Finns party, Juho Eerola, proposed to conclude a strategic military alliance between Finland and Russia. In his opinion, this is the only reliable way to guarantee the safety and welfare of the Finns. His party colleague, Hemmo Koskinini, went even further and demanded that Finland rejoin the Russian state. “Russia is for us the most reliable partner we trust,” the deputy said.

    Before the 1917 revolution, Finland, as you know, was part of the Russian Empire, although with a very high degree of independence. And she didn’t just have autonomy - Swedish laws acted on its territory, had its own currency, its own customs worked. So there is experience.

    According to a well-known Finnish human rights activist, doctor of socio-political sciences Johan Beckmann, a similar pro-Russian turn in the views of some Finnish politicians and public figures occurred over the past year. And the reason for this was the permanent European and global financial crisis. “There is a strong opinion that the EU has no future, like NATO. So the collapse of these structures looks more and more likely, ”the human rights activist believes.

    In this sense, the position of the True Finns party is interesting. Some time ago, they opposed the "dominance" of Russians in Finland, who are actively buying up real estate in this country. However, according to Johan Beckmann, that Russophobic campaign was deliberately inspired by the Finnish media. Her motive was the thesis that land plots were allegedly bought by Russian special services for further espionage. And individual representatives of various parties participated in it. Today, as the human rights activist notes, the intensity of Russophobic propaganda in the Finnish media has noticeably subsided.

    By chance or not, but this also coincided with the passing away of such a venerable fighter with Russia as Max Jacobson, who died on March 9 at the age of 89. Johan Beckman calls him the "gray cardinal" of Russophobic propaganda, which he conducted in the interests of the United States and Great Britain. In particular, Max Jacobson was an ardent supporter of Finland's accession to NATO. He motivated this, of course, with the “Russian threat”, stating in his articles that in relations with Russia one should always prepare for the worst. In contrast, Finnish nationalists, whose interests are represented by the True Finns party, are confident that only Finland’s accession to Russia as an autonomy will protect the country from the claims of the EU, NATO, and specifically the Swedes.


    The Prime Minister of Finland also recently announced that he has a positive attitude towards the idea of ​​integrating Finland and Russia. And Johan Beckmann, a doctor of social and political sciences, believes that Finland’s accession to the Customs Union could be an example of such integration.
    1. fif21
      fif21 24 March 2014 10: 19
      -4
      Finns goodbye, and do not even dream.
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    3. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 24 March 2014 22: 05
      +1
      Finland as part of Russia is a political bomb - Europe will go crazy, the Anglo-Saxons will fight in hysteria. smile
  10. Voenruk
    Voenruk 24 March 2014 09: 27
    +8
    Finns? Yes, let them come in and learn Russian. We have many Finno-Ugric peoples living. At the same time, roads will help to build in the north) Why do they need an old woman Europe, the USA will soon end. There is nothing to think about.
    1. RPG_
      RPG_ 24 March 2014 09: 55
      +5
      Many acquaintances live in Finland. So there many people know Russian better than some of ours. Yes, and there they accept in full rubles especially in the east.
  11. johnsnz
    johnsnz 24 March 2014 09: 36
    +4
    What a funny phrase: a member of NATO))))
    1. DeOS78RU
      DeOS78RU 24 March 2014 13: 48
      +3
      sex shop slogan "NATO member?" fellow
  12. Weniamin
    Weniamin 24 March 2014 09: 39
    +1
    And why are these Finns not sitting. No one touches them. The cat scratches at its ridge.
  13. ssf2257
    ssf2257 24 March 2014 09: 42
    +4
    Why become an EMPIRE? Better to be just RUSSIA! And it is possible and necessary to be friends with neighbors as in ordinary life (salt, matches, to consult). For me it’s easier as in the country, all comrades, but there is a fence.
  14. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 24 March 2014 09: 44
    +4
    Quote: Ilja 22
    Yes, they were always traitors, they remained them, where the homeland is warmer there, with the Finns you have to be on a short leg

    Not on a short leg, but at a stroke distance! And the Finns piss absorption geyropoy, and Russia, although everyone criticizes, but this is the only guarantee of freedom, and you can’t do anything!
  15. Nayhas
    Nayhas 24 March 2014 09: 51
    +4
    Fifth, the ex-ambassador cited Finland as an example, resigned to the territorial losses of 1939.

    Amendment. Finland resigned to the territorial losses of 1944. which was preceded by two bloody wars that cost both countries great losses.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 24 March 2014 09: 52
    +2
    Hysteria will pass ... Shifted, flour will be ..
  17. Grenz
    Grenz 24 March 2014 09: 56
    +8
    The title of the article is a withdrawal from the true state of affairs. Johan Beckman - always considered a Russian-minded public figure. And in this case, he is not an example. The Finns' dreams of Great Finland, with the inclusion of the territory of the North-West of Russia, where the peoples of the Finno-Ugric group live, have not disappeared. The mood of most Finns is anti-Russian. They study Russian - it will be so convenient later to speak with plebeians and recruit into their empire. A couple of years ago, a survey was conducted among residents of Petrozavodsk. Many of them supported the possibility of joining Finland. And the author broadcasts about the desire of the Finns to become part of Russia. Nonsense. On NATO, yes. Caution. Finns never openly express their opinions - that is why the false impression that they are loyal to us is formed. No and no!!!
    Crimea simply showed that the Finns did not fully appreciate the changes taking place in Russia. After all, by 2015 they wanted to create Great Finland on the ruins of Russia. Now you have to wait. Yes, and scared of course.
    1. poquello
      poquello 24 March 2014 19: 24
      +3
      Quote: grenz
      The title of the article is a withdrawal from the true state of affairs. Johan Beckman - always considered a Russian-minded public figure. And in this case, he is not an example. ...

      Well, of course, but perhaps an example
      Famous Finnish host Jari Sarasvuo with 20 years of television experience was fired after an interview with local human rights activist Johan Bekman, who demanded that Europe be freed from the Kiev fascist junta and accused the Finnish foreign minister of supporting the fascists.

      http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/3/24/678656.html
      I fully believe that in Finland the authorities and people have slightly different views
      1. Grenz
        Grenz 24 March 2014 20: 45
        +4
        poquello
        I agree with you. I have deep respect for Johan Beckmann, if only for the fact that he was seizing from the authorities the children taken from Russian parents. A very famous fact. Well, about "in Finland, the government and the people have slightly different views," I will express my purely personal opinion - not everything is so simple.
        In this regard, I will quote the same Beckman: “... many Finnish officials expect Russia to fall apart in 2015–2025, with the result that vast territories will move to Finland. According to the Finns, Russia is economically an insignificantly small parasite state.
        Finnish media broadcast extremely negative information about Russia and Russians. According to the Finns, all Russian women are prostitutes, and men are thieves and bandits.
        Unfortunately, the Russians have formed an overly positive image of Finns and Finnish politics. At all times, Finland presented itself as a benevolent country. But everyone who lived in Finland knows that the atmosphere in Finland is anti-Russian. Finnish revanchist sentiments are hidden. The Finns know that Russians should not openly threaten. ”

        Well, everyone draws conclusions himself. I have stated my conclusion above.
  18. fif21
    fif21 24 March 2014 10: 13
    +7
    The richer and stronger Russia will be, the more countries will want to join it, only now we need it? History teaches us that
    Whatever Ross warmed up, they would certainly give her a shit. The Latvian arrows helped Lenin, Stalin and Beria abused Russia, Khrushchev and Brezhnev led Russia into a dead end. And who has recently watered Russia
    slop, right, the Balts, Georgians, Ukrainians. And how many times Russia saved Europe from Genghis Khan, the Turks, Napoleon, Hitler, and in return NATO. Maybe stop charity work? It's time to understand
    that we also have our own interests, and the true friends of Russia are ONLY the army and navy.
  19. shurup
    shurup 24 March 2014 10: 19
    +4
    The union of the wolf and the hare is not always useful for the hare. The illusion of security can turn into gastronomy.
    I think that the Finns will continue to maneuver between the hung carrots, and they themselves will eat cabbage.
  20. lukke
    lukke 24 March 2014 10: 33
    +2
    it seems to me that everything will remain as it is (unless of course there is no force majeure). The Finns are well aware that favorable conditions in the Russian markets are their neighborhood and "neutrality." By joining NATO, they will be imposed additional costs and Russia will accordingly set economic barriers - do they need it?
  21. Memorandum
    Memorandum 24 March 2014 10: 52
    +1
    Quote: Voenruk
    Finns? Yes, let them come in and learn Russian ... At the same time, roads will help build in the north ...

    Not only roads - excellent shipbuilding, Patria armor plates (AMV) ... but a lot of things ...
  22. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 24 March 2014 11: 17
    0
    Funny, funny ...
    However, it is unlikely in the near future. The complete discredit of NATO and the EU has not yet occurred, alas.
    Although, if the European Union continues its foreign and domestic policy in line with the current main trends (globalization, multiculturalism, erasure of boundaries between nations, genders, diversification of traditional religious and philosophical systems with a focus exclusively on evangelism, "neo-Christianity", and "neo-paganism"), I will not be surprised that in 15-20 years the map of Europe will be completely different.
  23. andruha70
    andruha70 24 March 2014 11: 19
    -2
    However, in March 2014, after a famous referendum in Crimea, the Finnish government took the floor. As it turned out, his opinion not only does not coincide with the opinion of the progressive part of the Finnish people, but even is diametrically opposed to it.
    it is necessary - a hundred, two thousand finals - to issue Russian citizenship ... then - a referendum ... then - the protection of citizens ... polite, green people ... laughing I smell - this is the trend - of the next decade ... tongue
    1. poquello
      poquello 24 March 2014 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: andruha70
      However, in March 2014, after a famous referendum in Crimea, the Finnish government took the floor. As it turned out, his opinion not only does not coincide with the opinion of the progressive part of the Finnish people, but even is diametrically opposed to it.
      it is necessary - a hundred, two thousand finals - to issue Russian citizenship ... then - a referendum ... then - the protection of citizens ... polite, green people ... laughing I smell - this is the trend - of the next decade ... tongue

      catch a minus for two thousand, learn to count, then write your jokes about Crimea
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 24 March 2014 20: 10
        -2
        catch a minus for two thousand, learn to count, then write your jokes about Crimea
        and you - catch ... tongue if with a sense of humor - a problem, then this is to the doctor ... wink for special "steamers" - I translate: 100-200 thousand fin ... laughing
        1. poquello
          poquello 24 March 2014 23: 41
          +1
          Quote: andruha70
          catch a minus for two thousand, learn to count, then write your jokes about Crimea
          and you - catch ... tongue if with a sense of humor - a problem, then this is to the doctor ... wink for special "steamers" - I translate: 100-200 thousand fin ... laughing

          the population of Finland is 5 lyam people
          1. andruha70
            andruha70 25 March 2014 07: 10
            0
            the population of Finland is 5 lyam people
            Why am I a d-league? crying and where does the whole population of Finland? what ok, ok ... don't get excited. you are smart and excellent. wink I am a stupid and doppelganger. sad the universe is in balance laughing and this is good! laughing
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  24. 1536
    1536 24 March 2014 11: 33
    +3
    Yes, what actually climb to the Finns? Im so good. But if the Swedes try to capture them from an old memory, then Russia will assist Finland in protecting its independence. And the Finns know this.
    1. poquello
      poquello 24 March 2014 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      Yes, what actually climb to the Finns? Im so good. But if the Swedes try to capture them from an old memory, then Russia will assist Finland in protecting its independence. And the Finns know this.

      and this is another question, we are not connected with Finns
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  25. vasyliy1
    vasyliy1 24 March 2014 11: 48
    +3
    They will join in the event that they see that we have a rich and democratic state. But unfortunately Russia still needs to restore order in itself in many ways.
    1. clidon
      clidon 24 March 2014 20: 31
      0
      Yes, everyone will come running to us as soon as we become rich, well-fed and satisfied. But the basis of this satiety and wealth is not clear. NU except keen desire and screams.
  26. Leshka
    Leshka 24 March 2014 11: 51
    0
    look forward to
  27. ren1999
    ren1999 24 March 2014 12: 05
    +3
    Finland's public debt exceeds the cost of its entire infrastructure. At the same time, the average pension is 1,5 thousand €. Thinking Finns understand that this cannot go on forever. Before my eyes are examples of Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain, ie the old EU members who are today in the deepest crisis. Therefore, of course, common sense tells us not to give our neighbors cause for discontent, but rather to expand our cooperation with him in every way. Yes, and it does not hurt us. I must say how diverse the work style of Finnish border guards-customs differs from ours, clarity, speed, debugging, funny faces, however, both of them are unfriendly.
  28. Strashila
    Strashila 24 March 2014 12: 05
    0
    Normal healthy political pragmatism ... he helped the Finns to live well during the Cold War.
  29. HAM
    HAM 24 March 2014 12: 23
    0
    quote: "Georgia will provide NATO with air, sea and rails" and POPU.
  30. pensioner
    pensioner 24 March 2014 12: 25
    +3
    Here on RBC, it seems, they quoted one Finnish politician on the weekend. Almost literally:
    1. During the Cold War, Finland played the role of a bridge between the USSR and the West.
    2. The cold war is over.
    3. Russia is no longer an enemy of the West.
    4. Finland is not threatened by anyone now.
    And then he concludes: "And therefore Finland urgently needs to join NATO." belay !?!
    I understand that hemp in those parts does not grow ... But there are enough mushrooms yes - I saw it myself, was there ... Interesting - do they still smoke them or just make them like tea? what
    1. Barsik
      Barsik 24 March 2014 13: 35
      +1
      3. Russia is no longer an enemy of the West.

      Well don't tell fool to the west, modern Russia is like a bone in the throat.
      They bastards sleep and dream: Russia is not, and the land on which it was am
      But to hell with them all over their insolent face soldier
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 24 March 2014 18: 01
        -1
        Quote: Barsik
        Well don't tell

        stop Not to me!
        I just quoted that Finnish politician. yes
        Quote: Barsik
        But to hell with them all over their insolent face

        But this is for me. yes
        drinks
    2. kocclissi
      kocclissi 25 March 2014 01: 44
      0
      So, chew raw! And rods ....
  31. valersvet
    valersvet 24 March 2014 12: 33
    0
    I will refrain
  32. Nikolay74
    Nikolay74 24 March 2014 12: 35
    -2
    Quote: Romanychby
    Something everyone broke into the structure of Russia. Is this fashionable this season? :)

    This is trend bully
  33. misham1978
    misham1978 24 March 2014 12: 36
    +7
    Finam and so good what they do in the Russian Federation ?. All the trump cards they already have in their pockets. Tourism, the rich Russians probably bought half of the country, the babos go back and forth, they really want to introduce the ruble (it's one thing to have settlements in rubles as in ordinary currency, another is the ruble-national currency)? What is the point of this article? some handful of Finnish science fiction politicians wanted to join. One water, with a reference to "Latvian springs" and elderly ambassadors. Finns want to learn Russian - it's very good and right. In Turkey and Egypt, Russian is also taught. But it's not worth making a sensation of geopolitical significance out of this.
  34. rauffg
    rauffg 24 March 2014 13: 00
    +3
    Finns need to join the Russian Federation with the rights that they had before leaving the Empire in 1917.
    1. klavyr
      klavyr 24 March 2014 15: 31
      0
      like before...
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  35. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 24 March 2014 14: 10
    0
    Quote: Canep
    Something is not believed though

    Willy Haapasalu is our man in Chuhland (and vice versa)! :-)))
  36. sv68
    sv68 24 March 2014 14: 14
    0
    let them come in but a little later, we have according to the list after the Crimea Ukraine Moldova and Georgia, occupy them laughing laughing
  37. ussrex
    ussrex 24 March 2014 15: 46
    +1
    I do not know. Finns may not be bad guys, but their juvenile justice, whose perverted manifestations deprived the child of more than one Russian mother, is unacceptable!
  38. kind
    kind 24 March 2014 15: 59
    0
    If the Finns enter at least a customs union, the Balts will fight in a nervous tantrum !!! bully
  39. shelva
    shelva 24 March 2014 15: 59
    0
    Finland wouldn’t hurt us, and Estonia will catch up with it. This will significantly strengthen our position in the Baltic. For the Karelian-Finnish!
  40. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 24 March 2014 16: 37
    0
    Let the Finns themselves decide what is beneficial for them: to be part of Russia on special conditions or to be independent, but soon poor.
    Russia’s alliance with Finland is beneficial in all respects. This is the culture of production, the absence of border obstacles, the expansion of our missile defense and offensive means from the North to Europe and enemy Norway.
    The entry of Finns into the State Duma can make the majority of thieves in the Duma change, because Finns are very principled and more honest figures, they can go on principle and survive all ... obviously from the ranks of the Duma.
  41. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 24 March 2014 17: 02
    0
    Finns understand the resources. And why is it for Russia -
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Let the Finns decide for themselves what is profitable for them: to be part of Russia on special conditions

    maybe Russia needs to decide - to take someone under its protection or not. what will this union give Russia? additional territory - they have not really mastered their own, additional population - after all, the population is non-Russian, and even non-Russian-speaking, and even with a "special status", industry - there is little of its own and can order the necessary products cheaper and pay for it in dollars and euros than in Russians lives.
  42. N-FORCER
    N-FORCER 24 March 2014 18: 37
    0
    Attention! Attention!
    Special offer:
    Arrange 20 referenda
    and collect the Russian empire!
  43. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 24 March 2014 19: 23
    +2
    nonsense. I’m in Finland, I drove it all the way up and down several times, I was in all the major cities (by their standards). Finns do not speak Russian, even in those hotels where half of the guests are from Russia. of the staff in Russian speak only immigrants from Russia.
    who is where there was going to join Russia? maybe there are such freaks, but there are crazy everywhere. they - Finns - visit us, see how we live and how they live, these are 2 different worlds, comfortable, well-groomed Finland and "killed" Russia. Finland is adjoined by by no means demonstrative Sochi or Moscow City, Finland is adjoined by Murmansk, Leningrad regions and Karelia. For example, when I go to St. Petersburg from Murmansk and back, I stupidly go around Karelia in the Finnish, although, it seems, the Leningrad woman has made most of it, but still it is calmer and more pleasant to drive in Finland, you don’t worry that you’ll kill a car in some hole ...
    Finland has always been oriented to Sweden, the west of Finnish is largely bilingual (especially some Tornio and Turk).
    our tourists, of course, are needed there. but they will be there anyway, for this there is no need to unite.
    summary: let's do without fantasies, no one but Russians is going to Russia.
  44. Arkan
    Arkan 24 March 2014 20: 07
    0
    Chicken is not a bird, Finland, not abroad. Residents of some regions of the NWFD go to the finals, more often than to their mother-in-law. Talking about the prospect of Suomi joining the Russian Federation is interesting news for us. I am for the old status of Finland, the one that she had in the Russian Empire.
  45. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 24 March 2014 20: 50
    0
    Katainen rejected neutrality after the Crimean referendum, very symptomatic
    Finland has not been a neutral state since 1995. does not deny external military assistance with a lack of its own forces and means. Where this "help" should come from, one can not guess for a long time: the transfer of the army to NATO standards, the increased purchase of weapons in the United States, joint exercises, participation in NATO operations, admission of the NATO contingent to its territory - these are the events that are being held in France more and more intensively from year to year. And this is the real state policy of France. In neighboring Sweden, things are similar. Formally, these two states do not need to be included in NATO. Provide their territories and contingents for joint actions with the bloc both countries are already technically ready
  46. 1goose3
    1goose3 24 March 2014 21: 52
    0
    Last year, Finnish public talked that it would be nice for Finland to join the Russian Federation on rights similar to those of Hong Kong in China.

    No laughter, laughter, but only on a competitive basis. They left voluntarily, and now prove that we need this return. This is not a failure, but guys, it’s the turn.
  47. Smoke
    Smoke 24 March 2014 22: 39
    +2
    Quote: Vanya Ivanov
    Finland is unlikely to become part of Russia. The likelihood of joining NATO is the same. They have suffered and defended their independence (as it was, the question is different). In my opinion, the only education worthy of respect is those who fell off the Russian Empire. For them, it is more important to be in good neighborly relations with all neighbors.

    I completely agree, and for Finland this would be the best option, there are so few of them, but imagine the Tajiks against the background of reindeer ... And what about the position on Crimea, so that they do not declare there, and during the time of "total sanctions" they buy weapons from us, negotiations have just passed.
  48. Sledgehammer
    Sledgehammer 24 March 2014 22: 43
    +2
    Give wishful thinking. smile
    Learn Russian in order to trade with Russians more efficiently.
    Although due to the abundance of emotions in the light of recent events, who
    then the self-image thermometer clearly scales laughing
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  50. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 24 March 2014 23: 23
    +2
    I think that the dates are not "eager" to enter Russia and lose their statehood, which they inherited not so long ago, on a global scale.
    And about who is "torn" to Russia, or not "torn" it is better not to think, but to work and live like a human being. As soon as the standard of living in our country is higher than the European one, then you can see who is in line to enter.
    Pisi: Only I wouldn’t take anyone to Russia, because in the days of satiety and prosperity they are not checked for loyalty, and only true citizens-patriots of their Fatherland who can’t betray and overrun for material wealth can overcome the hardships and hardships (well, something like that) .