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Crimean Referendum and Central Asia

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Crimean Referendum and Central Asia



The Ukrainian crisis has split Central Asians into two parts. Most of them support Russia, while the nationalist minority advocates for the new Kiev authorities. The power elites of the region took a wait-and-see attitude in this situation, waiting for when and how the Ukrainian crisis will be resolved.

On the eve of the Crimean referendum, Kyrgyzstan made a loud statement on the situation in Ukraine. 11 March The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic refused to consider V. Yanukovich as the legitimate president of Ukraine, stating that “the Kyrgyz Republic condemns any actions aimed at destabilizing the situation in Ukraine. Therefore, we consider the statement by V. Yanukovych of 11 in March of the current year inappropriate and inadequate. The only source of power in any country is the people. A president who has completely lost the trust of his people, has de facto lost his presidential powers and, moreover, has fled his country, cannot be legitimate. ” Recall that, speaking in March 11 in Rostov-on-Don, V. Yanukovych said that he remains the legitimate president of Ukraine and will return to Kiev "as soon as circumstances permit." Moreover, it was V. Yanukovych who was accused by Kyrgyz diplomats of the current situation, noting that “ill-considered actions and corruption of the former Ukrainian authorities led to today's crisis and the deaths of dozens of innocent people”, insisting on resolving the situation “by peaceful means, through negotiations and dialogue, unconditional observance of international law and the UN Charter. "

Against the background of the cautious position of the other Central Asian states, the demarche of the Kyrgyz Ministry of Foreign Affairs looked like obvious dissonance. However, the internal political situation in Kyrgyzstan is quite specific.

Over the past ten years, the republic experienced two coup d'états (2005 and 2010), during which its former presidents acted like V. Yanukovich, fleeing to the territory of another state. Supporting him, the current leadership of Kyrgyzstan, who came to power as a result of the “revolution” of 2010 and the fall of K. Bakiyev’s regime, would have questioned its own legitimacy. According to the assessment of the Kyrgyz expert Alisher Mamasaliev, the statement of the Republican Ministry of Foreign Affairs is no longer addressed to an external, but to an internal audience. “First of all, official Bishkek is trying to balance its pro-Russian vector a little,” he told 13 in March in an interview with the Regnum news agency. - Secondly, it is such a signal to our non-systemic opposition in order to eliminate any precedent of political reincarnation of the overthrown presidents. I mean a certain similarity of the current position of Viktor Yanukovich with the situation of the flight of two ex-presidents from Kyrgyzstan - Askar Akayev and Kurmanbek Bakiyev. ” Therefore, according to him, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not bear any antagonism with Russia, and cannot be the reason for revising bilateral relations.

The statement of the Kyrgyz Foreign Ministry, however, contains an important observation that the only source of power in any country is the people.
The conflict between the people's right to self-determination and the preservation of the territorial integrity of the state, which is invisibly present in international law, largely determines the specifics of the situation around Crimea. In a situation where there are no legitimate authorities in Ukraine, the only source of power is the people of Crimea, who in the 16 March referendum and determine its future. The realization that the results of the will of the Crimeans will have to be considered even if it is not recognized as a legitimate part of foreign states, and the hysterical reaction of the new Kiev authorities, the US and the EU, who have tried to stop the referendum by all means. The same circumstance is connected with the forcing of the referendum by the Crimea itself and Russia.

If the influence of Kyrgyzstan on the policy, economy and security of Russia is small, then this cannot be said about Kazakhstan. The Republic is the key partner of the Russian Federation in the Customs Union, possessing the second largest territory, economic volume and population potential. In addition, Kazakhstan is also the key ally of Russia in the CSTO, having a common border with it with a length of about 7 thousand km., And just recently signed an agreement on the creation of a common air defense system. Therefore, the opinion of Ak Orda (the official residence of the Kazakh president) in the Kremlin was always listened carefully. N. Nazarbayev was perhaps the only leader with whom V. Putin, after the start of the Ukrainian crisis, had so many telephone conversations.

It was N. Nazarbayev B. Obama in a telephone conversation on March 11 offered to take on the role of a mediator in the negotiations between Moscow and Kiev, designed to resolve the crisis peacefully.

Since the aggravation of the situation around the Crimea, Astana has taken a cautious position, calling for its settlement peacefully on the basis of international law. However, the assertion that N. Nazarbayev “did not support V. Putin,” whom the Ukrainian and Western media rushed to speak, is clearly exaggerated. According to Ak Orda’s website, 10 of March N. Nazarbayev held a telephone conversation with German Chancellor A. Merkel, during which “the President of Kazakhstan reaffirmed the importance of a diplomatic settlement of the Ukrainian crisis through dialogue between all interested parties, using possible international mediation mechanisms to ensure the territorial integrity of this countries, as well as the rejection of mutual threats and ultimatums. " During a telephone conversation with B. Obama on 11 in March, the presidents of the two countries also "reaffirmed the need for a peaceful settlement of the crisis in Ukraine using diplomatic methods that ensure the territorial integrity of this country and promote the convergence of the positions of all interested parties." That is, in negotiations with leading Western leaders, the President of Kazakhstan reaffirmed the importance of preserving the territorial integrity of Ukraine and the peaceful, diplomatic settlement of the crisis situation around the Crimean Peninsula.

Meanwhile, in the message about the telephone conversation with V. Putin, which took place on March 10, several other wordings were used. N. Nazarbayev, in particular. noted that "Kazakhstan, as a strategic partner, with understanding refers to the position of Russia, protecting the rights of national minorities in Ukraine, as well as the interests of its security." In addition, he "... expressed his opinion on the need for a peaceful settlement of the crisis in Ukraine based on the preservation of sovereignty and in accordance with the norms of international law." It is easy to see that Ak Orda “forgot” the need to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine, which had actually lost the Crimea, confining itself to the words of sovereignty and the norms of international law. Astana's “forgetfulness” is by no means accidental. The most experienced politician N. Nazarbayev simply said to each of the world leaders what he wanted to hear, taking a wait-and-see attitude. Well aware of the importance for Kazakhstan of the Customs Union and allied relations with Russia, and not wanting to spoil relations with the countries of the West, he chose to wait until the situation returns to normal.

Similarly, attempts to treat N. Nazarbayev as an anti-Russian position during the March 14 meeting of the Heads of State of the Customs Union 5 in Novo-Ogarevo are unproductive. According to A. Dubnov (“A day later, how the war did not start. By the results of the extraordinary summit of the Customs Union”, Fergana.news, 6.03.2014) the fact that the formal meeting lasted only about an hour and a half, and the informal meeting lasted another hour, after which N Nazarbayev and A. Lukashenko left Moscow without making any official announcements, talking about their negative position. This is evidenced by the conversation held on the eve of N. Nazarbayev with the head of the Kazakh Foreign Ministry Yerlan Idrisov, during which the president noted that "... the situation in Ukraine is directly affecting the relations between the countries within the CIS and indirectly concerns the states of the Customs Union ...". However, these statements, as well as in Kyrgyzstan, are not intended for external, but for internal audience, some of which sympathize with the new authorities of Ukraine, considering Russia to be the culprit for the crisis.

The behavior of Kazakhstan after the Crimean referendum only confirmed these assumptions. March 16 had a telephone conversation between V. Putin and N. Nazarbayev, during which “special attention was paid to the referendum held in Crimea today. The high level of its organization was noted, and satisfaction was expressed that the population of the peninsula was provided with the opportunity for free expression of will on a crucial issue for the Crimean people. ” The next day, the foreign ministers of the two countries, S. Lavrov and E. Idrisov, discussed by telephone "the positions of the parties in the context of the implementation of the strategic partnership, in particular on current events in Ukraine, as well as possible efforts to resolve the situation in this country."

No statements about the need to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine on the part of Kazakhstan did not follow, which is tantamount to agreement with the results of the referendum, clothed in veiled forms characteristic of the East.

A completely different reaction was shown by Kazakh nationalists, who not only fully supported the Ukrainian "revolution", but also once again opposed any form of integration with Russia. Kazakh political scientist Aidos Sarym praised the events in Kiev as a “national liberation, popular revolution aimed at the formation of the Ukrainian national state, political nation”, lamenting that “most of our people, especially the Russian-speaking part, events taking place in this country , mostly seen on Russian TV channels, that is, through the eyes of Russian experts and political scientists. ” In his opinion, “Ukrainian society has begun to cleanse its nation, structure of society, and the body of power from the Soviet cliché,” and “real decolonization, desovetization” is taking place in the country, aimed at freeing itself from Russian dependence. According to A. Sarym, the same tasks are facing Kazakhstan, because “... all countries striving for true freedom and independence pursue the same goals and objectives. All historical the changes, decolonization, desovetization experienced by Ukraine, Kazakhs will survive. ” It is noteworthy that during the Ukrainian crisis, Kazakhstan, according to his assessment, did not take an anti-Russian, but "as usual ... a wait and see attitude", since, on the one hand, it fears a negative reaction from Russia, and on the other hand, 50-60% of the population is under the influence of Russian television.

The fears of the Kazakh nationalists are actively fueled by the Western media. Thus, the American “The New Republic” 10 of March wrote that after the Crimea, the following candidates for joining the Russian Federation could be “the east of Ukraine and the north of Kazakhstan, both with a large share of Russians in the population”. “In the north of Kazakhstan, almost 50% of the population are Russian, and in some areas most of them,” continues the publication, “And it no longer seems inconceivable, after the logic behind the annexation of Crimea by the Russian army, that Putin might at some point want to return parts of northern Kazakhstan to the Russian orbit, especially - if political instability is established in this country ”. “The New Republic” echoed “Deutsche Welle,” noting that “a considerable number of Internet users have concerns that after the Crimea, Moscow will certainly take on the Republic of Kazakhstan. It is known that ethnic Russians mostly live in a number of regions in the northern and eastern regions of the country, from which sometimes you can hear statements of a clearly separatist nature. ” In the age of Internet technology, all these texts are quickly copied and republished on the right sites.

To speak out in support of Russia in such an environment for Ak Orda would mean giving additional trumps to the hands of the nationalist opposition, which, even without that, after joining the Customs Union, constantly accuses the country's leadership of giving up part of sovereignty. In a situation when the population is already irritated by the sharp drop in the tenge rate, the authorities do not want to create another reason for discontent of a part of the population. Therefore, Kazakhstan’s attitude to the events in Ukraine is very similar to its position during the “five-day war” 2008 between Russia and Georgia, when Astana did not publicly support any of the parties, and then de facto acknowledged the situation.

Politically and ideologically, the West uses the situation around the Crimea to the fullest, trying to complicate the implementation of the main post-Soviet integration project to the maximum - the creation of a Eurasian Union.

It is not by chance that Western, Ukrainian and Russian liberal mass media began to actively exaggerate the idea that the annexation of Crimea would put an end to Russia's hopes for the re-establishment of the USSR, which, in their opinion, is the main goal of V. Putin’s policies. Soros's EurasiaNet, for example, commenting on his meeting with N. Nazarbayev and A. Lukashenko on March 5, argues that “the Crimean crisis greatly complicates Putin’s Eurasian integration process, making it difficult for the Kremlin to conquer the minds and hearts of the people of the former USSR.” Encouraging fears about the possible annexation of the Russian Federation to Russian-populated territories is one of the tools of the information war of the West against Russia, designed to drive a wedge between the allies as deep as possible. And, judging by the reaction of a part of Kazakhstan society, it is used quite effectively.
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  1. a52333
    a52333 20 March 2014 18: 52
    +20
    Who is interested in the opinion of Kyrgyzstan? To the column one at a time. two. What, just two? Kapets, guys, deal with your problems, Maidan every Saturday, and still support other people's Maidan.
    is that a habit? fellow
    1. gfs84
      gfs84 20 March 2014 19: 10
      +5
      Kyrgyz Republic condemns any actions aimed at destabilizing the situation in Ukraine


      Funny guys, they can’t agree with themselves)))

      Foreign Ministry of Kyrgyzstan March 20 issued an official statement following the referendum in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The statement of the Foreign Ministry of Kyrgyzstan says that "pThe results of the referendum in Crimea of ​​March 16 this year represent the will of the absolute majority of the population of the autonomous republic". The statement emphasizes that the results of the referendum are an objective reality, no matter how polar assessments are given to this plebiscite. Kyrgyzstan, which has experienced two revolutions in its recent history, calls on international partners to do without a “double standards” policy in their actions. The Kyrgyz Foreign Ministry calls on all parties to exercise maximum restraint and resolve disputed issues through peaceful negotiations in the framework of international law and the UN Charter.


      http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2434081

      Or do they know something that others do not know? ...)))
      1. jjj
        jjj 20 March 2014 19: 30
        +1
        They themselves are precarious. What can they say otherwise. The most legitimate and sovereign leader of our states is Putin. He is directly elected. Even in China, this is done through its Chinese electoral system. And there, either the constitution is imprisoned under the main buy, or the kids are tied up because of business. That is cautious in words
    2. Tumbleweed
      Tumbleweed 20 March 2014 19: 10
      +5
      Quote: a52333
      Maidan every Saturday, and still support other people's Maidan. is that a habit?

      This is a feature of character ... Kirghiz, they are so Kirghiz. True, the "dad" for their exiled presidents organized a "alternate airfield" wassat
      Interesting phrase
      The statement of the Kyrgyz Foreign Ministry, however, contains an important remark that the only source of power in any country is the people.

      It reminded me of the slogan of the times of the USSR "Everything for the sake of man, everything for the good of man", and what is interesting all the people of the USSR knew the name and surname of this person. laughing
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 20 March 2014 19: 27
      +2
      It's even funny. How is the state formation of Kyrgyzstan very different from the forcible unification of clan-tribal communities from the rest of the adjacent ones? This applies to almost all Central Asian republics. With the same Kazakh jusi? The president of KZ also sits on a multi-chair. But what happens when the next one comes? I hope that the minus signers will at least indicate their position in the comments. There will be something to speculate about. Not so simple.
    5. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 20 March 2014 19: 59
      +4
      Kyrgyzstan has already changed its mind-
      Kyrgyzstan recognized the results of the referendum in Crimea on joining Russia, the Tengrinews.kz correspondent reports with reference to the press service of the Kyrgyz Foreign Ministry.

      As noted in the foreign ministry, Kyrgyzstan, as before, is of the opinion that it was the ill-conceived actions and corruption of the former Ukrainian authorities that led to the current crisis and the deaths of dozens of innocent people.

      "At the same time, the results of the referendum in Crimea on March 16 of this year represent the will of the absolute majority of the population of the autonomous republic. And this is also an objective reality, although this referendum is given opposite assessments," the statement reads.

      According to the Foreign Ministry, the responsibility of those politicians who took the fate of the country into their own hands in such a difficult period is extremely high now. "Any initiatives and actions should be aimed exclusively at preserving fragile peace and stability in Ukraine and in the region as a whole, and forceful methods of confrontation are unacceptable," the department added.

      More details: http://tengrinews.kz/sng/kyirgyizstan-priznal-rezultatyi-referenduma-v-kryimu-25
      2325 /
      Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz
    6. sv68
      sv68 20 March 2014 20: 24
      0
      it’s just that in Kyrgyzstan, under the local kings, a chair was swayed. stop
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 20 March 2014 22: 24
        0
        Quote: sv68
        it’s just that in Kyrgyzstan, under the local kings, a chair was swayed.

        Never mind! In a hungry year and fly meat!
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      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 20 March 2014 21: 42
        0
        Off topic, I know! But I want to advise you to watch, it’s possible with children, there’s a whole cycle in YouTube! memories of a veteran about Katyn!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opA2QtyPj_c

        Please see, veterans who can tell the truth, less and less! Pluses can not be put, this is not for the pluses!
  2. moremansf
    moremansf 20 March 2014 18: 54
    +3
    In history, there was already the fact of selling silver pieces for 30 ... and, as you know, the end was sad!
    1. a52333
      a52333 20 March 2014 18: 56
      +2
      In Kyrgyzstan, this "business" is on the stream .... lol
      1. mountaineer
        mountaineer 20 March 2014 19: 08
        +2
        laughing Kyrgyzstan generally recognized the referendum in the Crimea! the only one !! smile
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 20 March 2014 19: 31
      0
      It was before. In one famous "main race of humanity", someone sold their birthright for lentil stew. And who bought THIS is now the Tsar over the world. And who was right? Whoever had the soup at the right time was right. So what is the moment of need? Die or sell faith?
  3. darksoul
    darksoul 20 March 2014 18: 58
    +5
    He carefully listened to constructive criticism of Kyrgyzstan, waved his hand. To them there the people at one time also for the American woman ... brought democracy .... spoke out
  4. mountaineer
    mountaineer 20 March 2014 18: 59
    +5
    a penny saves a ruble! first Kyrgyzstan then Armenia, and then on the list! and now Russia alone !!!
    what does not it remind?
  5. avt
    avt 20 March 2014 19: 02
    +12
    Another call to Kazakhstan. Well, once again we state the simple fact that our partners, who are pursuing an understandable, friendly and predictable policy towards Russia, even in the presence of problems, have nothing to fear. But Batska - he asked to land the planes at the airfield at his place - it's not a question and we feel good, and he saved on aviation. The CSTO is in action. Even at his request, a whole regiment was planted, and not "adequate" to the number of amers in the Baltic region, they also brought fifty kopecks - highlight the goals of potential friends. With NAS, too, everything is smooth, but everyone is very annoyed that he does not fuss like the Kyrgyz Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Why should he fuss and blow his cheeks!? He is not in that age and weight category to play errand boy He has his own specific interest and so far he very clearly monitors and defends it. So he got the necessary guarantees from the GDP. Well, they will still be pumping through the local nationalists, it's like holy God. Vaughn, even here in Moscow, you guys marshmen under the Bandera banners came out for a demonstration. ”But where can you go? You have to work off the money, even if it is practically a political death.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 20 March 2014 22: 30
      +1
      Quote: avt
      . Where are you going? Money must be worked out, even if it is almost a political death.

      And let them not take this money and do not have to work out!
      Well, if you don’t take it weak, how did V.I. Lenin say there? A political prostitute !!!
  6. Gagarin
    Gagarin 20 March 2014 19: 02
    +8
    How everything is entangled in big politics.
    It will take 10-20 years and learn such details that we ourselves will not believe that we lived at these events.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 20 March 2014 22: 35
      +1
      Quote: Gagarin
      It will take 10-20 years and learn such details that we ourselves will not believe that we lived at these events.

      I’m afraid to disappoint you, but it’s unlikely! Since the end of V.O.V. almost 70 years have passed, and there are more questions than answers, and the collapse of 1991? .....
      Of course, we will learn something new (God give us health!), But whether this will clarify the situation or even more confuse the question!
  7. alex47russ
    alex47russ 20 March 2014 19: 08
    -6
    WHAT IS FIG Kyrgyzstan! LET NEXT IN YOUR STEPPE SIT AND SMOKED SILENTLY!
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 20 March 2014 19: 29
      +4
      If you are a child, then you will have a chance to teach geography. If you are an adult, then look at Zadornov, he’s just like you like to joke. wassat
    2. GP
      GP 20 March 2014 20: 57
      0
      Quote: alex47russ
      WHAT IS FIG Kyrgyzstan! LET NEXT IN YOUR STEPPE SIT AND SMOKED SILENTLY!


      If you have nothing to say, just say Thank you! It will not drop from you, but people are pleased.
    3. alone
      alone 20 March 2014 21: 33
      +3
      Steppe in Kyrgyzstan !! Congenial and inappropriate. Geographic institutes and academics are biting their elbows from this "great discovery." And the Nobel Commission just nervously smokes.

      Apparently there where you studied teachers in geography simply did not exist.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 23: 34
        0
        Quote: lonely
        Apparently there where you studied teachers in geography simply did not exist.


        Yes, apparently, all this was in the steppe.
  8. delfinN
    delfinN 20 March 2014 19: 11
    +25
    All in a bunch: honey, der% mo and bees.
  9. mamont5
    mamont5 20 March 2014 19: 11
    +1
    They will behave normally and no one will encroach on them. So there’s nothing to catch horror movies.
  10. Cthulhu
    Cthulhu 20 March 2014 19: 12
    +9
    "I love enemies, although not in a Christian way. They amuse me, excite my blood. Always be on guard, catch every look, the meaning of every word, guess the intention, destroy conspiracies, pretend to be deceived and suddenly overturn the entire huge and difficult building with one push their tricks and designs - that's what I call life. "
    (M. Lermontov. "Hero of Our Time")
    It looks like our president loves to read classics lol. Therefore, gentlemen, critics, it would be better to throw your Mein Kampf number and turn your eyes to smart and insightful people, maybe they can find something clever for themselves.
  11. fly fishing
    fly fishing 20 March 2014 19: 14
    0
    Like children, what’s the word these Americans ?! Dumbness is over the top! what IQ is there, one gyrus and that black love
    Yuri agree with your comments!
  12. Humpty
    Humpty 20 March 2014 19: 34
    +1
    Two statements of the Kyrgyz Foreign Ministry, opposite in meaning, or a consequence of a local petty fuss with the search for the 26th prime minister, or the level of competence and "incorruptibility."
  13. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 20 March 2014 19: 35
    +1
    Yusovtsy, like a monkey with a grenade, pulled out a check, now they jump and look where to go!
  14. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 March 2014 19: 56
    +11
    In any case, Kazakhstan should take a closer look at the Maidan. Until recently, things that happened on the Maidan seemed impossible to us in Ukraine. Are we Syria or Libya? It turned out that Syria, Libya and Ukraine are in the same row. Relatively recently, an article by a Kazakh economist was published here on the site, in which he considered the negative aspects of the Customs Union for Kazakhstan. There were very interesting comments from Kazakh comrades, mostly negative in relation to the vehicle, as if Russian migrant workers had taken away all the work from Kazakh entrepreneurs. They represent a certain section of the Kazakh society - medium and small business. Namely, representatives of these circles were the heart of the Maidan. Up to fundraising for the Maidan. The muscles of the Maidan were the Nazis. There are also enough of them in Kazakhstan. There is also an ideological (liberalistic) recharge from the local intelligentsia with "lace panties". And the funding - Aunt Nuland will bring more "cookies". Need a spark. In Ukraine, it was a European Association Agreement. It is worth considering the future. Nezarbayev is not eternal.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 20 March 2014 20: 14
      +2
      Quote: Rods
      In any case, Kazakhstan should carefully look at the Maidan.

      It seems that the conclusions from the Maidan have already been drawn. Public organizations are expressing their concerns about the introduction of certain articles into the new Criminal Code, which in one way or another will affect their work. In particular, the draft Criminal Code introduced the concept of "leader of a public association" as a special subject for a number of crimes, to which more severe responsibility will be applied than to all other citizens.
    2. Yerlan
      Yerlan 20 March 2014 20: 45
      +11
      With all due respect, the authorities and the security forces of Kazakhstan and Ukraine are two big differences! Ours, rolled into the asphalt without any discussion, at an early stage. Our leader is not perfect, but you certainly will not refuse him consistency, determination and wisdom.
      1. alone
        alone 20 March 2014 21: 34
        +1
        Quote: Yerlan
        Our leader is not perfect, but you certainly will not refuse him consistency, determination and wisdom.


        wink Well roll into the asphalt generally does not require special wisdom))
        1. Yerlan
          Yerlan 20 March 2014 22: 36
          +3
          This requires at least decisiveness.
    3. marshes
      marshes 20 March 2014 20: 48
      +4
      Quote: Rods
      medium and small business. Namely, representatives of these circles were the heart of the Maidan. Up to fundraising on the Maidan. The muscles of the Maidan were Natsik.

      You probably know better and for me what happened to you is Dnepropetrovsk, they moved Donetsk with the help of Natsiks.
      Our oligarchs are all on one side.
    4. dosyl
      dosyl 20 March 2014 21: 41
      -5
      Yes, Nazarbayev is eternal. It is very interesting what will happen when Nazarbayev will not be there. In Kazakhstan, they are not very fond of a Russian neighbor. I personally felt this in the mid-80s. At the time of 85, in percentage terms in Kazakhstan: 40% Russians, 36% Kazakhs !!! Germans are in 3rd place, and so on, because in due time (Soviet) Kazakhstan also cut Russian-speaking territories. Well, it will be interesting to see when Nazarbayev, the main guarantor of peace in Kazakhstan, is not enough, there are enough of them.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 23: 39
        +2
        Kazakhstan is changing. This is not the great wall of China, it is still the people. Yes, there were hiccups and twists, he flew into full. BUT: fools and rabid are everywhere. There was a time when they unbelted in Kazakhstan. But everything returned to normal. And today is somewhat different from 80-90's. We also had no paradise.

        And besides specialists there are also elders. Understand what’s cooler. Saw.
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  15. ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 20 March 2014 19: 58
    -6
    "... N. Nazarbayev, in particular. Noted that" Kazakhstan, as a strategic partner, is sympathetic to the position of Russia, which protects the rights of national minorities in Ukraine, as well as the interests of its security. "In addition, he" ... expressed his opinion on the need for a peaceful settlement of the crisis in Ukraine based on the preservation of sovereignty and in accordance with the norms of international law "...."

    Or maybe it's enough to vtyuhivat all brains already?!? What the hell is "sovereignty" if practically everything in these former republics was built not by "national cadres", but by citizens of the entire USSR. And the main contribution to the development and formation of these republics was made by the Russians, whom it has become so fashionable on the sly, and not only on the sly, to be called "occupiers" or, more mildly, "citizens of non-indigenous nationalities" ... Even whole institutions are being created that are looking for and moreover - FIND !!! "evidence" of the great importance of these former lesser brothers. Politics and government in these former republics is not much different from today's Ukraine ... for now, BUT, in a quiet swamp, usually all devils are found.
    The current "leaders" of the Asian republics are such medieval khanchiks, for the modern motive and they do not care deeply about the so-called "countries" and the people living in them ... they have one goal - to rob themselves and all their relatives more, and preserve the stolen ...
    Hence their whole multi-vector nature and great love for democracy
    1. Yerlan
      Yerlan 20 March 2014 20: 35
      +5
      As Vladimir Putin said, "the diplomat has been given language to hide his thoughts." So, not by words you need to judge, but by deeds!
      That's the thing, by the way:
      "At the end of May in Astana, the presidents of Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus can sign an agreement on the Eurasian Economic Union," the press service of the Executive Committee quotes the head of the secretariat of the member of the Board (Minister) for Economics and Financial Policy of the Eurasian Economic Commission Askar Kishkembaev.
      Read more: http://news.nur.kz/306953.html
      1. marshes
        marshes 20 March 2014 20: 39
        +3
        Quote: Yerlan
        "At the end of May in Astana, the presidents of Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus may sign an agreement on the Eurasian Economic Union"

        Firstly, secondly, it is necessary to survive before the end of May.
        1. Yerlan
          Yerlan 20 March 2014 20: 48
          +3
          Let's live where we go smile
        2. VladKZ
          VladKZ 20 March 2014 20: 52
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          Firstly, secondly, it is necessary to survive before the end of May.


          Most likely they will sign it, it’s clear that they are forcing it, I hope that NAS will have enough intelligence, wisdom and foresight not to get into it and not to get the country into it is not clear what.
          1. RusKaz
            RusKaz 20 March 2014 20: 56
            +1
            Quote: VladKZ
            Most likely they will sign it, it’s clear that they are forcing it, I hope that NAS will have enough intelligence, wisdom and foresight not to get into it and not to get the country into it is not clear what.

            In the sense? Do not get involved until the moment of signing? Or do you mean Evraz Union - is it a mess?
            1. VladKZ
              VladKZ 20 March 2014 21: 07
              +4
              Quote: RusKaz
              In the sense? Do not get involved until the moment of signing? Or do you mean Evraz Union - is it a mess?


              Well, it all depends on what this Union will be like, personally I don’t see any sense in a watered union, I am for an economic union, well, a military-technical cooperation, not more. It seems to me that an equal union will not work anyway.
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 20 March 2014 23: 44
                +2
                Quote: VladKZ
                Quote: RusKaz


                Well, it all depends on what this Union will be like, personally I don’t see any sense in a watered union, I am for an economic union, well, a military-technical cooperation, not more. It seems to me that an equal union will not work anyway.

                The whole bargaining goes around this issue. The NAS wants to get off the economy, and the GDP insists on the political part.
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      2. Revolver
        Revolver 20 March 2014 21: 48
        0
        Quote: Yerlan
        As Vladimir Putin said, "the diplomat has been given language to hide his thoughts."

        Actually, it was said by Talleyrand in eighteen hundred I don’t remember which year. http://greatwords.ru/quote/3394/
        Putin, unlike you, knows about Talleyrand. And you, unlike Putin, have not heard.
        But sneak tongue set off.

        smile
        1. Yerlan
          Yerlan 20 March 2014 22: 41
          +3
          It’s not very smart of you to give my comment such an assessment.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 23: 40
      0
      Take it easy. I give you a warning.
  16. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 20 March 2014 20: 02
    +6
    So, the American “The New Republic” wrote on March 10 that, after Crimea, the next candidates for joining the Russian Federation could be “eastern Ukraine and northern Kazakhstan, both with a large share of Russians in the population.” “In the north of Kazakhstan, almost 50% of the population is Russian, and in some areas they are the majority,” the publication continues.

    Russians usually live quietly in any setting, find an opportunity for themselves. Until their lives are endangered. I don’t think that in Kazakhstan under Nazarbayev the nationalists will bring it to that, in Ukraine they have already approached.
    1. sv68
      sv68 20 March 2014 20: 33
      -1
      urgently need to publish an article in Kazakh newspapers that Texas urgently wants to secede from the United States and join Ukroin
  17. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 20 March 2014 20: 10
    +2
    The current Asia is no different from the one that was 100-200-500 and can be dropped even deeper years ago.
    All their pseudo-democratic Europeanness is a "ritual" that must be carried out in order to correspond, but with a taste of national and only her, politics.
    No matter how the world develops, builds and changes, Central Asia has always been, is and will be "Baiskaya". And it doesn't matter on whom and how it relies or orientates itself.
    Kyrgyzstan has slipped to the level of classical feudalism, "high growth rates" of political and state growth after 91.
    Kazakhstan, however, is better, but only at the expense of the hard hand of the Nazarbayev clan, which is not without difficulty, trying to maintain the status quo, for its family, taking into account national interests ...
    But this hand is no longer so solid, and there are many hunters to chop it off, and there are many ...
    The last speech of Nazarbayev is a vivid example. A weighty "curtsey" to the very significance and highly national Spirit, with a reservation, to the reference point for Russia, as the main "draft" partnership.
    The message is quite clear: I am for Nationality, I am for identity itself, But, to anyone who crosses the "line", I can call Uncle Vova, if anything ...
  18. Zymran
    Zymran 20 March 2014 20: 13
    0
    Understanding perfectly the importance for Kazakhstan of the Customs Union and allied relations with Russia,


    More precisely for your family.

    I think that there is no reason to fear the detachment of Northern Kazakhstan, for a wise and radiant ruler will soon surrender to the Russian Federation not only Northern Kazakhstan, but the whole country.
    1. sv68
      sv68 20 March 2014 20: 39
      +5
      YES Nazarbayev will never give anything to anyone. I spoke with familiar Kazakhs in Rostov with us guys say that Nazarbayev quickly draws conclusions from other people's mistakes and there is no sense in fearing Kazakhstan’s moidan
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 20 March 2014 21: 08
        0
        Quote: Zymran
        the radiant ruler will soon surrender to the Russian Federation not only Northern Kazakhstan, but the whole country.

        I do not think, playing along with the nationalists. Nationalists in Ukraine, for example, surrendered everything to the Americans, from cultural values ​​to the economy and power (through puppets). Again, a bolt to the people, if not worse. But nationalists are the same everywhere, in their shit.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 20 March 2014 21: 11
          +2
          Nationalists are also under the control of the radiant in fact.
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    3. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 23: 43
      0
      Not very high quality you think.
  19. kirqiz ssr
    kirqiz ssr 20 March 2014 20: 24
    +2
    I want to the Soviet Union, probably most of the Kyrgyz people will support me in this.
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz 20 March 2014 20: 38
      0
      Quote: kirqiz SSR
      I want to the Soviet Union, probably most of the Kyrgyz people will support me in this.

      Back to the past ?? Computers are not welcome) and the Internet too!
  20. andrey_kz
    andrey_kz 20 March 2014 20: 31
    +2
    Quote: ekzorsist
    namely, citizens of the entire USSR

    golden words "the whole USSR", and the rest is a set of clichés that only worsen life in the war countries from the former USSR and feed the Natsiks of any nationality. The result can be seen in Ukraine.
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz 20 March 2014 20: 40
      +2
      do you have anything to do with that "Andrey KZ"? (see above)
      O_o
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 20 March 2014 20: 48
        0
        Quote: RusKaz
        do you have anything to do with that "Andrey KZ"? (see above)

        No, just the namesake.
  21. Igmail
    Igmail 20 March 2014 20: 58
    0
    Quote: a52333
    Who is interested in the opinion of Kyrgyzstan? To the column one at a time. two. What, just two? Kapets, guys, deal with your problems, Maidan every Saturday, and still support other people's Maidan.
    is that a habit? fellow

    read carefully, from the fifth paragraph about Kazakhstan and indirectly about Belarus. They are waiting for everything... That’s the catch.
  22. kind
    kind 20 March 2014 21: 00
    +3
    I think that many in the post-Soviet space are envious of Crimea, but pride does not allow to admit !!!
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  23. Anuarkz
    Anuarkz 20 March 2014 21: 12
    +9
    Our main difference from Ukraine, as noted above, is that power and security officials and oligarchs are in the same boat. Everything is simple with the opposition with us, either they end their lives with suicide like Nurkadilov, who killed two shots in the chest and one in the head, or they start business on them and they run away to Austria and other Europe. Well, the existing opposition is more likely to be pocketed so that everyone sees that we have it like any other democratic state. Z.Y. I fully support Crimeans
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 23: 45
      0
      Where to get a recipe, how to raise the opposition like this?
      1. marshes
        marshes 20 March 2014 23: 52
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        Where to get a recipe, how to raise the opposition like this?

        Old as the world, it must be created. smile And then somehow it is not right.
  24. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 20 March 2014 21: 19
    +4
    Regarding the situation in Crimea and Russia's actions in Ukraine, and Kazakhstan's reaction, I am reminded of the following story: Once the chief architect of the "Empire State Building" received a letter from a student of the construction institute with calculations for a skyscraper. According to them, the building under construction must collapse. The architect urgently double-checked the data and it turned out that everything was correct in the letter sent. It is just that during the design of the skyscraper they missed some of the factors that caused the error in the final calculations. The building itself was 80% complete. And, just a miracle did not collapse. Without raising too much noise, and without provoking panic, work was carried out to strengthen the skyscraper. As we all know, quite successfully good
    I am writing from memory, sort of like that ..
    Those. unequivocally, the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan, has already drawn conclusions on the annexation, or the return of the Crimea - to whom, as you like wink And, work is already underway to prevent this scenario in Kazakhstan ..
    How successful, I think in my lifetime, we learn ..
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      1. Zymran
        Zymran 20 March 2014 22: 31
        +4
        Take it - get the NATO base under your nose.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 March 2014 02: 38
          0
          And then they still take offense at the Russians ...
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 20 March 2014 23: 08
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        Do not help, return the so-called. North Kazakhstan in an amicable way, or sooner or later they will pick it up for the bad.
        Go model airplanes glue ..
        This you do better ..
        And, don't get into an adult conversation ..
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        in any case, do not gang up on Russians.
        Why snatch wink
        In fact, the Kazakhs didn't even have to do anything ..
        Themselves voluntarily and with songs ..
        Read Duvanov's article ..
        Quote: Oleg Sobol
        The current Asia is no different from the one that was 100-200-500 and can be dropped even deeper years ago.
        All their pseudo-democratic Europeanness is a "ritual" that must be carried out in order to correspond, but with a taste of national and only her, politics.
        No matter how the world develops, builds and changes, Central Asia has always been, is and will be "Baiskaya". And it doesn't matter on whom and how it relies or orientates itself.
        If put instead "Present Asia" - Russia, it will also be true .. repeat
        Present Russia, is no different from the one that was 100-200-500 and can be dropped even deeper years ago.
        All their pseudo-democratic Europeanness is a "ritual" that must be carried out in order to correspond, but with a taste of national and only her, politics.
        No matter how the world develops and builds and changes, Russia has always been, is and will be "Barsky"And it doesn't matter who and how it relies or orientates itself.
        As the saying goes, find the 10 differences ..
    2. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 20 March 2014 22: 09
      0
      It will be successful, in any case, not to pounce on the Russians. A level playing field is generally fine. If "work is in progress" then the clamp is automatically implied, in one form or another. In Ukraine, it turned out sideways, there really began to break openly.
  25. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 20 March 2014 21: 33
    +2
    Quote: mamont5
    They will behave normally and no one will encroach on them. So there’s nothing to catch horror movies.



    Guys, everything is clear as daylight, all the desires of amers are visible under a microscope. To sow enmity between the former republics of the USSR and Russia, to tear them away from us, leaving one on one with the whole world. To fence us with a wall and destroy, for this they feed us various fighters for human rights, such as Prokhorov with his party, the toad Novodvorskaya, Borovoy and the "greatest singer of the era Makarevich, who joined them, this is how one banderlog called him. The list is long All the peoples of Russia need to unite and respond with blow to blow in such a way that our enemies order their grandchildren not to even look askance in our direction. And our CIS partners have nothing to fear, their land for us no need, my own enough.
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    1. Anuarkz
      Anuarkz 20 March 2014 22: 39
      +4
      Unlike Ukraine, no one gave us territories, but if you look at the map of Kazakhstan, on the contrary, you will see that with the generous hand of the Soviet leaders we have got several areas less. Well, where did so many Russians come from in the country, those who were sent into exile during the empire (and not only exiled to Siberia) were later sent here many dispossessed, and those whom the homeland sent to develop virgin lands.
      Our country has accepted all and received warmly, given shelter to food and land, but what moves you? desire to quarrel us with Russia? judging by your comments, yes!
      1. Walking
        Walking 20 March 2014 23: 13
        +5
        Do not get fooled by a fellow countryman, you can see the provocateur
        1. Anuarkz
          Anuarkz 20 March 2014 23: 22
          +5
          That’s what it is that it’s a provocateur, but people read and many take such stuffing for the truth, and here there is apparently a new training manual written based on the works of Limonov-Kasparov.
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 23: 49
            +4
            Quote: Hiking
            Do not get fooled by a fellow countryman, you can see the provocateur


            Yes, everything is fine, I introduced him to the ban. The world is not without such here ... what to do.
  27. Alexgs
    Alexgs 20 March 2014 22: 16
    +2
    As a person who trampled urgent on the territory of Kazakhstan in the most terrible years for Russia, and I served in 93-94 in the city of Baikonur, which was considered the most Russian in the republic. I can say that the Kazakhs who served with me defended the demobilization at the railway station, me from the Kazakhs, who simply tumbled down from the surrounding villages at that time. I will never forget how we Russian demobilization on Tyura-Tam, local Kazakhs gathered and just stood in a chain, between us and raging youth. And this was done not for some lofty purposes. And so far I have been in touch with Kazakh fellow soldiers and I can assure you ... They are for Russia, against fascism ...
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 23: 49
      +1
      You are not the only one. There are a lot of us.
  28. Michael KG
    Michael KG 20 March 2014 22: 30
    +2
    Quote: a52333
    Who is interested in the opinion of Kyrgyzstan? To the column one at a time. two. What, just two? Kapets, guys, deal with your problems, Maidan every Saturday, and still support other people's Maidan.
    is that a habit?


    Here you are laughing, talking about the Maidan as if it were a parade on May 1, and you yourself have been in this situation at least once, but what is it like when you all see this difficultly and does it concern you? It concerns your safety, the safety of your family, friends, relatives ...

    We’ve already experienced two coups of power, I’ll tell you frankly that it can be tolerated and it can calmly relate to this, is it really a finished man.
    Many people have left my circle over the years, and the part that is still in the republic is thinking about moving to another camp. People are simply afraid of this outrage and outrage.

    Do you say maidan at least every Saturday? Here is a link to a local inform resource, look! Saturday is coming soon! http://news.mail.ru/inworld/kyrgyzstan/society/17464189/?frommail=1

    Here's how to go next?
  29. 51064
    51064 20 March 2014 22: 45
    0
    Quote: Zymran
    Understanding perfectly the importance for Kazakhstan of the Customs Union and allied relations with Russia,


    More precisely for your family.

    I think that there is no reason to fear the detachment of Northern Kazakhstan, for a wise and radiant ruler will soon surrender to the Russian Federation not only Northern Kazakhstan, but the whole country.

    I cannot fully agree, because if the Ukrainian situation is projected onto Kazakhstan, it should have happened something like this - Islamic nationalists and / or radical Islamists come to power, who want, for example, to establish warm and friendly relations with Al-Qaeda and organize radically state according to Sharia, with its subsequent inclusion in the global Islamic emirate, in the vastness of Central Asia, or organize Turan from the Indian Ocean to the North and from Turkey to India. This is unrealistic, although I am sure that certain forces in the world would benefit from this. But in practice, this very scenario is extremely unlikely, and besides, a large number of Russians should remain in the vastness of Kazakhstan by the time the scenario "starts" - in the northern regions, the Ural and Ust-Kamenogorsk (East Kazakhstan) regions. Or another option - after a certain amount of time, China "wakes up", the West is finally degrading by that time, the communists in Kazakhstan are getting stronger, and they want to establish special relations with China (become its protectorate, with all the consequences starting from Chinese as one of the state languages) Russia feels "not shaky, not roll" at the same time. Almost science fiction, in which Kazakhstan should begin to fall apart as a state, which is roughly what is happening in Ukraine.
  30. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 20 March 2014 23: 31
    +2
    Yes, stop declining Kazakhstan! Better look around: Vaughn, Karakalpakia, for example. Kazakhs are Kazakhs, but live in Uzbekistan. Gold, gas of Karakalpakstan would make them the Emirates, but no, they quietly glue tiles in Kazakhstan. After all, they tried to roll away from the Uzbeks in the 90s, but it didn’t work out. Why? Yes, then Obama was not with Merkel, it was not necessary. And we have? And here, if any Cossacks venture into a detachment, the Russians themselves will kill them. Our Elbasy will not even tell. And Natsik in Kazakhstan is nonsense. Kazakhs are historically patient with people. Just keep your human face and habits.
  31. marshes
    marshes 20 March 2014 23: 50
    +1
    All the same, Kazakhstan will remain a mystery, for which some brains and forecasts can be made as many as you like.
  32. R1a1a
    R1a1a 21 March 2014 02: 15
    -3
    But the territory of northern Kazakhstan is nothing more than southern Siberia and the southern Urals, with cities founded under the kings, transferred to Kazakhstan by the Bolsheviks either out of stupidity, or treacherously, and which Undoubtedly must be returned to Russia. And there will still be an opportunity when Nazarbayev leaves the post of president and Kazakh Natsiks come to power ...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 March 2014 02: 37
      -3
      Well, I, as I understand it, you, too, for stating a fact?
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 21 March 2014 22: 57
        0
        Naturally.
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        3. R1a1a
          R1a1a 22 March 2014 00: 50
          0
          no, well, of course I can take the side of Ukraine and accuse Russia of occupation and violation of international law)))
  33. Aydin
    Aydin 21 March 2014 05: 06
    +2
    Yes, the opinion of Kyrgyzstan may not be interesting, but Russia's interests in Central Asia? And if the Americans want to take revenge there? We have enough of our own "maydanutyh" I really liked the quote from Putin's speech:
    Presidents, premieres, deputies of the Rada changed, but their attitude to their country and to their people did not change. They "milked" Ukraine, fought among themselves for powers, assets and financial flows. At the same time, the powers that be were of little interest to how and how ordinary people live, including why millions of Ukrainian citizens do not see prospects for themselves at home and are forced to go abroad for daily work in other countries
    This is about us.
  34. Michael KG
    Michael KG 21 March 2014 07: 14
    0
    Here is the latest news. I apologize for the repost but ... in our case, as they say, the spring has come and after it the next unread.

    Since April 7, the people have restrained their indignation, anger at the authorities. Due to the lack of decisive opposition, united by a single ideology, the people are forced to endure and sit underground and silently look at the destruction of the country, ”the Uchur newspaper writes.

    But patience comes to an end too. Given this, the current situation is really alarming for the authorities. As soon as a signal arrives, the people can wake up and flood like a village. According to the publication, in the near future a grand rally will be held with the participation of over 10 thousand people. It is organized by the National Opposition or supporters of Keldibekov, the newspaper notes.

    That’s how long I live in Kyrgyzstan, I’ve never heard of any popular ideology, and the fact that social tension is already quite noticeable in the country is hard to miss.
    People are already TIRED of this chaos and disgrace, no one wants ordinary people to squabble and civil strife, people just want to live quietly and do their usual business.
  35. Kustanayets
    Kustanayets 21 March 2014 09: 59
    +2
    Recently, the friend of "political scientist" Aidos Syrym, "political scientist" Taizhan, received a call and persistently asked him not to chat about the Maidan in Kazakhstan anymore and not to get involved in politics at all. Putting it in his pants, he instantly merged and wrote that he was leaving politics. But this "analyst" apparently has not yet been called ...