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Historical names will be returned to former ships of the Ukrainian Navy in Crimea

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Some of the former ships of the Ukrainian Navy in Crimea will return their historical names or get new ones as part of the Black Sea fleet Russia, a senior source at the headquarters of the fleet said.


“It was decided to return their historical names to former Ukrainian ships or to assign new ones. The former names will be reserved for those ships whose names do not contradict the history of the Russian fleet, ”he said.

Within two months, the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation will work out a decision on the further use of ships and property of the Ukrainian Navy in the Crimea, ITAR-TASS reports.

“We are ready to do all the work on the inventory of the nationalized property of the Ukrainian armed forces within two months,” said a source.

He explained that Black Sea sailors will have to give an objective assessment of the state of the Ukrainian Navy’s property in the Crimea and then decide on the most effective forms of its use. According to him, the property of the Ukrainian Navy is outdated, a significant part of it needs urgent repair or decommissioning.

Recall, on Tuesday, Russia and the Crimea signed an agreement on the admission of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol to Russia. Kiev refused to recognize the contract.

Before that, President Vladimir Putin gave a speech in connection with the appeal of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol on admission to the Russian Federation.

On Sunday, a referendum on the status of autonomy was held in Crimea. According to the results of processing 100% of protocols, 1 million 274 thousand 96 people, or 83,1% having the right to vote, voted for the referendum, of which 96,77% of residents expressed autonomy in Russia.
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  1. Tumbleweed
    Tumbleweed 19 March 2014 10: 43
    +33
    This is the right step !!! On the censor there is news that Ukrainian sailors with grenades in their hands "defend" their ships
    That is:
    02: 30Ukrainian sailors in Donuzlav keep active
    defense with grenades in their hands 33250 375

    I especially liked the "active defense" wassat
    The news itself is nonsense stoned graphomaniac
    At night, 700 meters from the coast, they do not see at all how the Russian military is moving. However, for several hours now they have been defending on the water. Ukrainians had to drive off the ships as soon as the Russians last night ordered them to surrender and swear allegiance to Russia. Occupants captured and tied Ukrainians, so the sailors had no choice but to moor off the coast.

    "We are far from the coast. They cannot get to us in any way. Organized universal defense. Throw grenades in different directions so that no one can come. They put out people with weapons, "- recounted the source of the event in the Ukrainian fleet.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 19 March 2014 10: 46
      +5
      They probably throw training lemons :)
      1. olegff68
        olegff68 19 March 2014 11: 13
        +21
        Quote: Riperbahn
        They probably throw training lemons :)

        REUSABLE - ON THREAD laughing
        1. Che burashka
          Che burashka 19 March 2014 12: 22
          +1
          Quote: olegff68
          Quote: Riperbahn
          They probably throw training lemons :)

          REUSABLE - ON THREAD laughing

          There is another option - to make them out of polystyrene so that they do not sink. It is extremely convenient - firstly reusable, secondly, you can declare them floating mines due to the lack of the latter.
          I propose to take away real combat ammunition, as Matches for children are not toys. It’s also true that they themselves will be blown up by stupidity, but they will say that this is Russia with a coordinated strike of all Strategic Missile Forces 4 months drowned their trough, and they were heroically thrown away with grenades.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 19 March 2014 11: 22
        +33
        good here is the latest news: Don Cossacks broke into Donetsk

        As reported by the TIRAS news agency, today reinforcements from Russia broke through to the Anti-Maidan forces in Donetsk across the Russian-Ukrainian border. In particular, several hundred Don Cossacks in full ammunition entered the city. They explain their arrival by the fact that they came to support the Russian-speaking population of Donetsk in the fight against the Bandera and fascist invaders. "
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2014 11: 30
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          In particular, several hundred Don Cossacks entered the city in full ammunition.

          In full ammunition, is this everyone’s minimum machine gun? Hello Donetsk, what started there ???????????????
          In short, infa crap, was two days ago. There is no confirmation.
        2. GDP
          GDP 19 March 2014 12: 10
          0
          here is the latest news: Don Cossacks broke into Donetsk

          As reported by the TIRAS news agency, today reinforcements from Russia broke through to the Anti-Maidan forces in Donetsk across the Russian-Ukrainian border. In particular, several hundred Don Cossacks in full ammunition entered the city.

          Oh, if it's true, I will be very surprised!
          Recently, I have finally made sure that being a Cossack now means wearing a hat and no more ...
          Really respect the Cossacks if they are capable of this!
      3. RBLip
        RBLip 19 March 2014 11: 42
        +2
        Quote: Riperbahn
        They probably throw training lemons :)

        grater got from caches. as in brother 2. misfire about 50/50 ... laughing
      4. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 19 March 2014 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: Riperbahn
        They probably throw training lemons :)


        ... they throw themselves.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 19 March 2014 10: 49
      +42
      Quote: tumbleweed
      The invaders captured and tied the Ukrainians, so the sailors had no choice but to moor from the coast.

      belay Related? Moored? Did they give the mooring with their legs? The fence is grass, not more than direct deliveries from Afghanistan, laughing
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 19 March 2014 11: 20
        +5
        Where did they moor there? All outputs are blocked ... Yes, and where is Salyara?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2014 11: 33
          +12
          Quote: klimpopov
          All outputs are blocked.

          Yes, now our fleet, or what’s left of it winked
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 19 March 2014 11: 55
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, now our fleet, or what’s left of it

            ! good! The demotivators are stormy and long ..
        2. Riperbahn
          Riperbahn 19 March 2014 11: 39
          +4
          Gee-gee. Salyara :))) Estimated :)))) A new word in the classification of fuels and lubricants. Probably soon only this will remain in Ukraine :))))
        3. Simon
          Simon 19 March 2014 11: 43
          +1
          So probably on the oars! laughing
        4. RBLip
          RBLip 19 March 2014 11: 44
          +3
          Quote: klimpopov
          Where did they moor there? All outputs are blocked ... Yes, and where is Salyara?

          rowing. with legs. they are related. laughing
      2. Simon
        Simon 19 March 2014 11: 42
        +1
        Probably there were Maidan monkeys, otherwise as if they threw grenades with their hands tied, it remains only with their feet. wassat
      3. woron333444
        woron333444 19 March 2014 11: 55
        +2
        Americans from Afghanistan carry them
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 19 March 2014 10: 50
      +8
      Danger, however! All coast of Crimea will throw grenades! laughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 19 March 2014 10: 51
        +13
        Quote: siberalt
        Danger, however! All coast of Crimea will throw grenades!

        I don’t know with grenades, but der @ mom are trying, they now have plenty of them, wassat
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 March 2014 10: 56
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Danger, however! All coast of Crimea will throw grenades!

        We get stuck then pick up grenades.
      3. Duke
        Duke 19 March 2014 11: 30
        0
        Danger, however! All coast of Crimea will throw grenades!

        It will be bad to swim.
      4. Simon
        Simon 19 March 2014 11: 46
        +2
        As if the NATO divers to the top of his stomach did not emerge from these grenades, they probably spy. laughing
    5. Andrey57
      Andrey57 19 March 2014 11: 02
      +7
      Interestingly, these clowns in the galley have at least something other than hemp ?! wassat
      1. Tumbleweed
        Tumbleweed 19 March 2014 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: Andrey57
        Interestingly, these clowns in the galley have at least something other than hemp ?!

        Apparently the Georgians brought in a large batch of pomegranates of the new harvest ... So they got high and "actively" defended themselves, throwing them into the water shouting: "Go away, the proactive ones !!!" laughing
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 March 2014 11: 52
        +1
        Quote: Andrey57
        Interestingly, these clowns in the galley have at least something other than hemp ?!

        Do they even have a galley?
    6. alexkross83
      alexkross83 19 March 2014 11: 23
      +1
      What do they smoke? Apparently from the USA they brought not only dry tea .... :-) :-) :-)
    7. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 19 March 2014 11: 50
      +6
      rolling stone "The very news is the delirium of a stoned graphomaniac."
      That's right!!!
      tumbleweed "We are far from the coast. They cannot get close to us in any way. We have organized a universal defense. We throw grenades in different directions so that no one can approach. We have put up people with weapons," the source of the event in the Ukrainian fleet recounted.
      Hehe hehe ... I haven’t laughed like that for a long time ... here are the clowns.
      Somehow inspired ...
      "Hello, mother, I am writing to you from a burning tank, sorry for the uneven handwriting, as I am writing on the back of a killed comrade and hot steel dripping by the collar from a burning tank tower ..." Or "I am writing on the boot of a murdered comrade.")))
      1. Kazakh
        Kazakh 19 March 2014 12: 49
        +4
        "Hello, mother, I am writing to you from a burning tank, sorry for the uneven handwriting, as I am writing on the back of a killed comrade and hot steel dripping by the collar from a burning tank tower ..." Or "I am writing on the boot of a murdered comrade.")))
        Ink is blurred because I write under water I have to drive away Russian dolphins, they bite me ... m. Leeches, but I give up laughing
    8. Good cat
      Good cat 19 March 2014 11: 55
      0
      Leave them their old stuff
    9. Evgeniy-111
      Evgeniy-111 19 March 2014 12: 00
      +1
      Are they related moored? Copperfields, however ...
    10. Horst78
      Horst78 19 March 2014 12: 09
      0
      Shiza however wassat
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 19 March 2014 17: 53
        +1
        What is incomprehensible? Read carefully! Occupants captured and tied Ukrainians
        This time! therefore, the sailors had no choice but to moor off the coast and go to sea. Two! Do you feel? Bound UKRAINIANS remained on the shore! Sailors left the coast!
    11. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery 19 March 2014 17: 56
      0
      Fumbled at the Maritime Forum - Balancer: In Donuzlav, the Navy ships departed to the middle of the lake. As for grenades, this is a regular PPSO watch, possibly with preventive grenade throwing. But what they will do next is unknown. In the worst case, they will flood, or even undermine, at the best, they will chop everything that can and surrender when the fuel, water and grubs are over. Yeah, somersaults of history, 1918, Novorossiysk, the order of Lenin to sink the ships of the Black Sea Fleet.
  2. Antibrim
    Antibrim 19 March 2014 10: 46
    +3
    we’ll give a little to the Black Sea Fleet) until the new ships arrive well)
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 10: 53
      +4
      Two tubs, three troughs, there is not even enough for the OVR brigade.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 19 March 2014 10: 57
        +2
        we will sell to the Chinese - there will be more sense (for scrap)
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 March 2014 10: 57
        +3
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        Two tubs, three troughs, there is not even enough for the OVR brigade.

        Build something like Popovok on their base.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 March 2014 11: 04
      +5
      Quote: AntiBrim
      we’ll give a little to the Black Sea Fleet) until the new ships arrive well)
      laughing the names will change so that the eye doesn’t hurt ... but in fact there’s only one scrap metal! 35-40 years old! for the coast guard so far and that's all ...
    3. Doznanied
      Doznanied 19 March 2014 11: 29
      +2
      To drive to the Kerch Strait, let them work like minibuses to the continent, while there are not enough ferries and a bridge has not been built.
  3. Dimkin
    Dimkin 19 March 2014 10: 46
    +7
    Well, well, we are returning our property laudably, but it seemed to me that the Ukrainian fleet, in addition to Sagaidachny, does not particularly have ships.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 19 March 2014 11: 01
      +4
      Judging by the emblem of this frigate - although he is a dog, he is on a chain.
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/372/rfkc971.jpg
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 19 March 2014 16: 38
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Judging by the emblem of this frigate - although he is a dog, he is on a chain

        But no one paid attention to whose flag the pennant of a non-landing Navy looks like? So I think - is it so simple, is it a coincidence?
    3. 222222
      222222 19 March 2014 11: 04
      +6
      Dimkin GB Today, 10:46 .. "the Ukrainian fleet has no ships except Sagaidachny.

      ..And the submarine ..in the steppes of Ukraine .. ??? .. It seems "Zaporozhye" was called?
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 19 March 2014 11: 10
        +3
        And the submarine ..in the steppes of Ukraine .. ??? .. It seems "Zaporozhye" was called


        I beg of you!! Have you seen this diesel trough ?? It was they who, when sharing the KChF, got what did not manage to reach the OFI and disposal !!
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 19 March 2014 11: 16
        +3
        Quote: 222222
        ..A submarine ..

        She was hanged at the pyrichalu so that she wouldn’t drown ... laughing
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 19 March 2014 11: 22
          +4
          It was renovated recently, they wanted to use it for training.
          This is me for the sake of objectivity. By the way, our submarines also do not shine on the Black Sea Fleet - the same 20 - 30 years.
          1. Simon
            Simon 19 March 2014 11: 55
            +1
            Ours will shine soon, there was a secret plant for the production of nuclear submarines. Now they will also restore the khan to all enemies of our people. There will be order on the seas and oceans, Amerian aircraft carriers will all be in ports, and the Amerian government will eat tiesyes
          2. kostya-petrov
            kostya-petrov 19 March 2014 12: 12
            +4
            It is worth noting the fact that as many as 6 submarines of the Varshavyanka project are being built for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, plus one more will be added to them - Alrosa, a good shock pack !!!!
      3. Russ69
        Russ69 19 March 2014 11: 33
        +2
        Dimkin GB Today, 10:46 .. "the Ukrainian fleet has no ships except Sagaidachny.

        There is a large landing craft "Olshansky", but it should be in good condition. In 2013, it was renovated ....
      4. Simon
        Simon 19 March 2014 11: 51
        +2
        To her, I remember doing the repair for several years, just enough for the paint, now it is painted. laughing
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 19 March 2014 11: 27
      +5
      Quote: Dimkin
      Well, well, we are returning our property laudably, but it seemed to me that the Ukrainian fleet, in addition to Sagaidachny, does not particularly have ships.

      Well, something is there. But the most important thing is not even this, and not the "reusable grenades"!
      Today will be the launch of water in the North Crimean Canal
      On March 19, 2014, the 56th launch of the Dnieper water in the North Crimean Canal will take place. This is the traditional beginning of the irrigation season in Ukraine and the supply of water to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the press service of the State Agency for Water Resources reports. Dnieper water will be launched from the Kakhovka reservoir into the North Crimean canal through the main canal structure located in the city of Tavriisk, Kakhovka district, Kherson region, to supply water to the Kherson region and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and to ensure the organization of irrigation of irrigated lands and filling of bulk reservoirs located on the Crimean peninsula, which are used for the needs of drinking water supply.

      Reference. The North Crimean Canal is the longest in Europe. Its length is 400,5 km, and its throughput is 294 cubic meters. m / s The channel provides water for irrigation 343,3 thousand hectares of farmland in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and 101,7 thousand hectares in the Kherson region, water supply to Kerch, Feodosia, Schelkino, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Sudak and 54 rural settlements of Crimea.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-141403.html
      XXXX
      The water needs to be "insured" so that the "activists" do not block and add something there !!!!
      1. PN
        PN 19 March 2014 13: 38
        +1
        If there are brain residues, they will not block it, but they will sell it.
      2. romaskadarv
        romaskadarv 20 March 2014 01: 02
        -3
        The water needs to be "secured" so that the "figures" do not block or add anything there.

        Others are not judged by themselves. As of today, all the mean things come from only one side ... And this is not Ukraine. Who violated the "truce"?
    5. Simon
      Simon 19 March 2014 11: 49
      +2
      Yes, there was a sea power, but it became the majestic one. laughing
  4. Sergg
    Sergg 19 March 2014 10: 48
    +4
    Some of the former ships of the Ukrainian Navy in Crimea will return their historical names or receive new ones as part of the Russian Black Sea Fleet


    It’s so great that Crimea is with us again !!! We will decide his future fate. This is super, no one of us has words, so glad, glad for humanly glad.
  5. pts-m
    pts-m 19 March 2014 10: 50
    +5
    all right. but somehow it doesn’t fit where the ship called hetman saigadachny and in the Russian Navy. complete nonsense.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 19 March 2014 10: 58
      +2
      it’s good that they didn’t have Admiral Mazepa, they would still be laughing ...
    2. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 11: 04
      0
      Sahaidachny in Odessa, however.
  6. Chifka
    Chifka 19 March 2014 10: 52
    +7
    Judging by the state to which the Ukrainian fleet has been brought, the historical names of the ships will sound ... somewhat strange. It is better to rename them according to their current state: "Rusty Eagle", "Invincible Trough", "Leaky Arrow", etc. and donate to Ukraine. Let the expanses of the Ukrainian steppes plow. And the Black Sea Fleet, taking into account the situation, should be equipped with modern ships to the maximum.
    1. Altona
      Altona 19 March 2014 11: 02
      +4
      Yes, it's straightforward to call it "Stepnyak", "Kievskiy shlyakh" and "Thunderstorm of the Maidan" ... laughing
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  7. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 19 March 2014 10: 58
    +1
    Justice will triumph sooner or later, that's a holiday on our street
  8. kopar
    kopar 19 March 2014 10: 59
    +1
    I also think that it is necessary to carefully examine these ships .... I fully admit that their repair will become more expensive than their cost ....
  9. Alexgs
    Alexgs 19 March 2014 11: 07
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    We get stuck then pick up grenades.


    I love pomegranates - delicious and very healthy wassat
  10. zeleznijdorojnik
    zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 11: 07
    +3
    Would give this "fleet" to the Ukrainians, nevertheless old stuff, in fact, they will drive it to Odessa, and in half a year they will return to us anyway, let them bear the costs of its maintenance for these six months. These ships do not represent a serious force, and if they cannot reach Odessa, they can take rent for their downtime.
    1. Simon
      Simon 19 March 2014 12: 12
      +1
      So they will not find money for their repair, the treasury is empty. Americans give loans only rations. wassat
  11. Berimor 2
    Berimor 2 19 March 2014 11: 14
    +7
    Quote: Altona
    Yes, it's straightforward to call it "Stepnyak", "Kievskiy shlyakh" and "Thunderstorm of the Maidan" ... laughing

    Ships are not to blame for what politicians did to them in 91. Therefore, returning them to their previous names is a perfectly sensible step. After that, a full inspection of what can be restored to service (there are still a long way to go for new ships in the fleet), the rest are scrapped, but with all the naval honors relying on the ship in that case!
  12. lukke
    lukke 19 March 2014 11: 18
    0
    Russian shipbuilding enterprises will be able to independently build helicopter carriers if France terminates the contract for the supply of two Mistral ships to our country. This was reported to "Izvestia" by a source at the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) - it acts as the project coordinator on the Russian side
    Well
  13. rasputin17
    rasputin17 19 March 2014 11: 19
    +1
    Banderlogs live in forests and they don’t need ships !! These are our ships, even if not new, but built with the money of the Soviet people, and therefore Russia, as a legal successor, has all rights to the Black Sea fleet !! Return to these ships of historical names a fair and uncontested decision !!
  14. Rustam009
    Rustam009 19 March 2014 11: 20
    0
    Oh guys, now everyone is going to mess with me. I am glad that the Crimea returned is a precedent. Becoming a champion is easy, but hard to hold on to. Today we have acquired Crimea, but will not we lose something else? Suppose the Chinese are settled in the Far East by a majority, then most of the residents (Chinese) will vote to enter China, what will we do? With the population we have a hard time.
    1. Ivan Russky
      Ivan Russky 19 March 2014 11: 53
      +3
      That a lot of Chinese in our seaside is a fact, but without them we will simply be left without work. The entire forestry industry is based on them only and is holding on at the moment. Our authorities still do not think to resolve this situation in our favor, and if they do something only to the detriment of simple hard workers. Recently, our timber industry enterprise was bought by the Muscovites, and here is the result, the salary has dropped below the plinth and a general reduction has taken place. Such an enterprise is falling apart before our eyes. Someone may be a Chinese enemy, but not in Primorye. And it’s not necessary to say that they rebuilt the Russian one, shook off such a bridge, invested so much money in Primorye, and you are all unhappy. And then what? Not one of our authorities even wondered how people live and how they earn a living in other parts of the region. So we won’t raise a question about the Chinese. While they feed us here.
      1. Ivan Russky
        Ivan Russky 19 March 2014 12: 01
        +1
        Just don’t think that I am for letting the Chinese surrender and give Primorye. NO, I’m not talking about the fact that much more work needs to be done by our government so that we can live normally without foreigners.
    2. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 19 March 2014 11: 56
      +1
      Do not feel a clear contradiction? In the Far East, there is no majority, and it’s not close, are we in the Crimea? Have Russians been shared with the Ukrainians?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 19 March 2014 12: 07
        +3
        Quote: SkiF_RnD
        are we in the Crimea, Russians, Ukrainians hooked?

        Now many Ukrainians think so! "Russians came in large numbers to our Crimea, which has always been Ukrainian!"
        1. SkiF_RnD
          SkiF_RnD 19 March 2014 15: 38
          0
          Well ... probably it's their problem. Some people think that the Crimean Tatars are natives there. Who is to blame for what they bring nonsense? When I talk with the people there, it seems like no one has included a fool on this topic yet, they pressed on international law winked It seems like we are the guarantors of their safety. And through the commentary they told that wherever they want, they enter there (meaning NATO) laughing In general, such funny people ... hi
    3. Simon
      Simon 19 March 2014 12: 15
      +1
      This regiment will not be, China will need an ally, but they still have not forgotten Domansky. soldier
  15. moreman78
    moreman78 19 March 2014 11: 21
    +1
    Quote: Dimkin
    Well, well, we are returning our property laudably, but it seemed to me that the Ukrainian fleet, in addition to Sagaidachny, does not particularly have ships.

    Well, in addition to Sagaidachnogo, it’s quite possible to use a couple of MPK pr.1124 for the OVR, it’s useful, plus their control ship (the former Soviet air defense missile system) can be equipped with new radio reconnaissance systems - and go on to Middle Earth. It’s enough to pick up the little things ...
  16. konvalval
    konvalval 19 March 2014 11: 22
    0
    Quote: PTS-m
    all right. but somehow it doesn’t fit where the ship called hetman saigadachny and in the Russian Navy. complete nonsense.

    I suggest: 1. Pick up the ship "hetman sahaidachny". 2. Rename it to "President Putin".
    1. Simon
      Simon 19 March 2014 12: 19
      +3
      Better to build a new, modern one than to call it "President Putin". I think Putin deserves the best. hi
  17. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 19 March 2014 11: 23
    +1
    there is an opinion that after the official inventory of the Ukrainian Navy and the entry of warships into the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the Zaporozhye submarine will be sent to the Zvezdochka shipyard for modernization and installation of new strike weapons on the submarine !!!
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 19 March 2014 11: 51
      +3
      Hochmi !!!!! It is all rusted and it is contraindicated to plunge ...
      1. Quantum
        Quantum 19 March 2014 12: 03
        +2
        And how does she plunge if Midshipman Mutko, the chief
        battery compartment, drinks for 2 weeks!
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  19. Altona
    Altona 19 March 2014 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: lukke
    Russian shipbuilding enterprises will be able to independently build helicopter carriers if France terminates the contract for the supply of two Mistral ships to our country. This was reported to "Izvestia" by a source at the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) - it acts as the project coordinator on the Russian side
    Well

    -----------------------------
    Mistral as a piece of iron of technological and other value is not particularly valuable, if it were supplied with NATO systems with identification of "friend or foe" and reconnaissance, then another matter ...
    1. Simon
      Simon 19 March 2014 12: 22
      0
      Yes, of course, for the money that we will rent from France, it will be possible to build three helicopter carriers. France broke off. lol
  20. Monk
    Monk 19 March 2014 11: 30
    0
    Quote: Tersky
    Quote: tumbleweed
    The invaders captured and tied the Ukrainians, so the sailors had no choice but to moor from the coast.

    belay Related? Moored? Did they give the mooring with their legs? The fence is grass, not more than direct deliveries from Afghanistan, laughing


    They don’t deliver grass from Afghanistan, this Chuy valley.
  21. Ivan Russky
    Ivan Russky 19 March 2014 11: 30
    +1
    Quote: tumbleweed
    The invaders captured and tied the Ukrainians, so the sailors had no choice but to moor from the coast.

    How could they have managed to escape the poor little bound. belay Houdini is resting laughing
  22. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 19 March 2014 11: 41
    0
    Quote: Rustam09
    Oh guys, now everyone is going to mess with me. I am glad that the Crimea returned is a precedent. Becoming a champion is easy, but hard to hold on to. Today we have acquired Crimea, but will not we lose something else? Suppose the Chinese are settled in the Far East by a majority, then most of the residents (Chinese) will vote to enter China, what will we do? With the population we have a hard time.


    But will they be constantly registered there?
    By the way, in China there are places where many Russians live ...
  23. donavi49
    donavi49 19 March 2014 11: 44
    +7
    The main thing is to squeeze the fleet - not to let it float.

    Among the trophies:
    IPC 1124M Ternopil - 2006 year of entry into operation, 2002 descent.
    IPC 1124M Lutsk - 92 year, but the Navy runs incomparably less than the Black Sea Fleet.
    IPC 1124P Vinnitsa - this one is bad.
    PSKR / MAK / MPK - former lightning, without a main missile system but with 4x1 TA.
    BDK 775М Konstantin Olshansky is a good, second flagship, with repairs and upgrades.
    KFOR 773 Kirovograd - this one is bad, but on the NLMB - Sevas line it will go, it had repairs in the 2011-12 years.
    KU Slavutich - according to rumors, the filling is interesting there.
    2 stilts 226M
    1 MB
    1 KIL
    2 Tanker
    small ships, diving vessels, demagnetization, floating warehouses, etc.

    From the ambiguous:
    MRK - it seems to be needed (P-15M - is now very much in demand, because they are shooting at targets with shipborne air defense systems from such ships), but "under repair" - more like a funeral.
    Zaporozhye - the boat is not needed, but it is lively and running.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 19 March 2014 13: 09
      +1
      "Zaporizhzhia" to rename and make a museum, we have saved very few ships for history.
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 19 March 2014 13: 36
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      Zaporozhye - the boat is not needed, but it is lively and running.

      They wrote it back welded so that it would continue to be "alive".
      If the ships are flooded and the boats are not in great trouble, the depths are shallow. The main danger is that the mechanisms and machines will be damaged before leaving, if there are grenades, it is not difficult.
  24. fregina1
    fregina1 19 March 2014 11: 47
    +1
    They say the people's governor of Donetsk is in a coma! If the rumors are confirmed in Donetsk, I will think a grandiose rascal !!
  25. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 19 March 2014 11: 47
    +8
    Dear forum users, let’s not insult the Ukrainian Navy and what we got, they didn’t get any horseradish, they didn’t drown either, I think we should take off our hat for the officers for keeping the situation under control. what )
  26. via75
    via75 19 March 2014 11: 50
    +4
    Excerpt from the article "The noose was removed from the Black Sea Fleet"
    In Kiev, however, they are building illusions that they will be able to help out their Navy. In any case, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Admiral Igor Tenyukh said that the sailors subordinate to him did not intend to redeploy from Crimea. And it is right. Because no one will let them out of there. Only the headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy, also blocked by self-defense in Sevastopol, will leave home. Admiral Gaiduk, head of the headquarters defense, says he is ready to stand to the last. Apparently, the plumber Uncle Vasya will make a decisive blow to the besieged. He will come with a wrench, turn off the water supply and sewage. And the last stronghold of Ukraine in Sevastopol will fall.

    and not only ships will return to us
    .– Here we can talk about the Sevastopol Marine Plant (formerly it was named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze). This is the largest enterprise, which in the Soviet era employed about 12 thousand people. And today only 200 of them remain. In essence, these people are only guarding what has not yet been plundered. The plant belongs to the "chocolate baron" of Ukraine Poroshenko, who did not invest anything in it. As a result, production facilities degraded. But if Moscow has a desire, plus it will be possible to arrange financing, then Russia will be able to pull this plant out of the pit.

    Theodosian factory "More" produced hydrofoil and hovercraft. But recently, there have been few orders. In addition to the construction of two Bison for China - large hovercraft. Nevertheless, in the interests of the Russian fleet and shipbuilding, this plant definitely needs to be used.

    “SP”: - What else can Russia return from the “fleet division” lost in the early 1990s?

    - In particular, we then lost a large airfield network and many basing points. For example - Black Sea, Donuzlav, Balaklava, Theodosius, Kerch. Only Sevastopol and two airfields remained in the Guards and in Kache. Now the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation gets the opportunity to return to historical bases, registration on which he received from the moment of his birth.
  27. semuil
    semuil 19 March 2014 11: 51
    0
    But I’m wondering, is there anything to give these names to? Are there still some seagulls?
  28. bender8282
    bender8282 19 March 2014 11: 53
    0
    all unnecessary, for scrapping, we will give in scrap metal!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 March 2014 12: 07
      +3
      There are also delicious factories of the Sea and the Gulf.

      The first builds the Bison and, in general, hovers can raise + PSKRs - recently the second one was brought out for China. Although everything is bad there, but nevertheless, it’s not quite a ruin like the 61 communard. However, it can be nationalized.

      Here with the Gulf, everything is more interesting. The plant is quite lively, at least something is being built there, specifically boxes for filling to Turkey. Opportunities - 65k launch tonnage (record 181000k total - Crimean tanker), already after the collapse of 32k Chemical carriers NB 610, with modernization, if not an aircraft carrier, then DKVD can be worth it (right now there can be assembled 1000 tons of blocks). BUT! This is a private property of Zhevago - part of the KRAZ group.

      The most delicious Bay - but Zhevago is still unclear what position it takes.
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 13: 16
        +4
        The most delicious Bay - but Zhevago is still unclear what position it takes.
        In what position we put - this will take.
  29. machete
    machete 19 March 2014 11: 55
    +2
    Of the entire fleet, they only have "Getman Sagaidachny", and the ships are simpler. So the fleet is gone. Well, the people on board are not to blame for what is written about them in the "advanced" press. Everyone has their own purely personal motives to remain in the same state until the dilemma is somehow resolved. Many are not of their own free will, as they are threatened, or otherwise blackmailed. Some are unable to make their own decisions and look at the commanders. So to say, they exist in the form in which they were left. Isolated from the coast.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 March 2014 12: 25
      +2
      Sagaidachny is like the ocean PSKR - in our Marine Guard, the DV Vorovsky, for example, is running, of the same project.

      I wrote above what trophies are.

      Actually, 1 is a new IPC, 1 is a so-called IPC, 1 BDK, 1 MB, 1 KIL + for trifles and Slavutich for disassembling foreign equipment.
  30. ed65b
    ed65b 19 March 2014 12: 04
    +4
    They took Crimea without a single shot, the fleet again took without a single shot. That's how the gentlemen of their NATO learn to fight. we’ll check. laughing Well, the layout of the President of Ukraine continues to exude stench and win. Already just not even funny .....
  31. machete
    machete 19 March 2014 12: 09
    0
    Of the entire fleet, they only have "Getman Sagaidachny", and the ships are simpler. So the fleet is gone. Well, the people on board are not to blame for what is written about them in the "advanced" press. Everyone has their own purely personal motives to remain in the same state until the dilemma is somehow resolved. Many are not of their own free will, as they are threatened, or otherwise blackmailed. Some are unable to make their own decisions and look at the commanders. So to say, they exist in the form in which they were left. Isolated from the coast.
  32. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 19 March 2014 12: 10
    +1
    and what will happen to the multipurpose attack submarine "Zaporozhye", it is true that after modernization on "Zvezdochka" it will be sent to serve in the Northern Fleet !!! And it will be renamed "Pobeda" and only conscripts from the Republic of Crimea will serve on it !!!
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 13: 19
      +1
      multipurpose attack submarine "Zaporozhye"
      /// Don’t tell my slippers - the maximum training submarine is like the D-2 in St. Petersburg, only the last one was remade to the museum in the early 90s due to reductions in submariners, and now give this to the cadets.
  33. darksoul
    darksoul 19 March 2014 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: tumbleweed
    Ukrainians had to drive off the ships as soon as the Russians last night ordered them to surrender and swear allegiance to Russia. The invaders captured and tied the Ukrainians, so the sailors had no choice but to moor from the coast and go to sea.



    Oh, these unbiased Ukrainian media. Whether I’m that. Sing or the boat is sailing in the wrong direction laughing Is it like they were tied up and they took and sailed away? laughing Rimbaud on the pot, Chuck Norris under the table, Hollywood in shock, I'm in hysteria .... a joke laughing
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 19 March 2014 17: 50
      0
      What is incomprehensible? Read carefully! Occupants captured and tied Ukrainians
      This time! therefore, the sailors had no choice but to moor off the coast and go to sea. Two! Do you feel? Bound UKRAINIANS remained on the shore! Sailors left the coast!
  34. Quantum
    Quantum 19 March 2014 12: 17
    +2
    For a long time it was necessary to go to the side of the ARC and get a normal salary.
    What was hoped for is unknown? Just what was reported: the headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy
    raised the flag of Russia, after the penetration of the parents of sailors. Hurray!
    Guys will serve in rich Russia, and not in Ukraine, rolling into the abyss. Good luck, guys!
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  36. Hey
    Hey 19 March 2014 14: 27
    0
    Prime Minister of Ukraine Yatsenyuk instructed Defense Minister Tenyukh and Deputy Prime Minister Yarema to urgently fly to Crimea to resolve the situation

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/lenta/#13952284012624&message=resize&relto=login&action=removeClas
    s & value = registration # ixzz2wPId4L5l
  37. Cristall
    Cristall 19 March 2014 16: 20
    0
    As and above all, I am concerned about the question - how did the "transfer" of the fleet to the Naval Forces of Ukraine take place?
    The Navy itself did not transmit anything. The crew (as far as I know) did not go over, the ships did not surrender. the blockade did not allow them to withdraw from the Crimea at all. Now the news of the return of the titles. Arrived.
    They were "privatized" together with the crew? As it all does not fit. Previously, the reason for the blockade was an attempt to interfere. Now the name is being changed.
    I remain of the opinion that this is not necessary. It is necessary to quietly peacefully withdraw all Ukrainian garrisons and release all the ships of the Navy. The crew that wants to stay, but those who do not want or are faithful to the oath, let go. Peacefully civilized and at the same time it is necessary to highlight this event. So that the world and, first of all, Ukrainians see that there were no violent seizures! \
    What do we see now? Really - I personally see the blockade / capture. So things are not done. For all my Russian position, a little envy of the Crimeans and joy for them and the chagrin of the coup in Kiev --- I am absolutely not satisfied with the seizures of the Navy + the blockade of units + the blockade of ships. These are corns - if you press them, then except Crimea, there will be no loyal people.
    Quietly parted, gave this property. This is not subject to nationalization, as the crew did not cross!
    I'm afraid what will be done according to the worst scenario for the perception of an ordinary Ukrainian scenario
    They will capture / force, the ships will become the property of the Russian Federation - everywhere the headers will be Russia has captured treacherously our fleet! And I will agree with them, because it was done not in a civilized way and not in fairness! Besides, is this junk worth becoming an instrument of exacerbation? Or perceptions or changes in loyalty? It is not worth it, but the cost of perception will be very high.
    So far, for me, this is the cornerstone of the doubt whether the RF is doing everything correctly and fairly in relation to Ukraine.
  38. Leshka
    Leshka 19 March 2014 18: 43
    0
    at least something and then not much negative
  39. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 19 March 2014 18: 46
    +2
    "So far, for me, this is the cornerstone of doubting whether the Russian Federation is doing everything correctly and fairly in relation to Ukraine."
    I agree that there are fears that we will embitter the servicemen of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, but this is only if they, humiliated and expelled from the units, ships, but who have remained faithful to the oath, will amicably form a long, long marching column of units and subunits, which will be led by the Commander The Naval Forces of Ukraine or the Ministry of Defense Tenyukh itself will proudly go in the direction of Kiev towards their bright future, piously believing the promises of "the government that has not abandoned them."
    The principled position of Russia is no negotiations with the illegitimate authorities of Ukraine. In fact, the units and units of the Navy are subordinate to these authorities. Is there a guarantee that some crazy order will not come from there, and some valiant commander, a faithful oath, will not fulfill it (is he faithful to her)? No!
    Therefore, the disarmament and seizure of units began after a provocation at the cartographic unit and the order of Kiev to allow the use of weapons, which, thank God, have not yet been used. And so far, before that, everyone was happy with everything. But really, that would not be offended - a decent dismissal with Russian pensions, benefits, housing, etc.