Source in USC: disruption of the Mistral contract involves serious penalties

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Source in USC: disruption of the Mistral contract involves serious penalties

The breakdown of the contract for the construction in France of two amphibious helicopter-carrying Mistral-type docks, more than half of which Russia has already paid, provides for serious penalties. This was reported to ITAR-TASS by a source in the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), commenting on the statement by the French Foreign Ministry about the possibility of the French party canceling the deal on these ships. "If you take the purely financial side of the issue, it is worth noting that the contract from 2011 of the year provides for very serious penalties in case of failure of your obligations by the party to the contract," the agency’s source said. "The contract for the construction of two" Mistral "Russia has already paid more than half the sum of France", - said the source. According to him, this is approximately € 700 million.

"Taking into account the fact that the cost of labor and industrial production as such in Europe is significantly higher than in Russia, we have the catalog cost of building one Mistral is € 250 million, while the contract with France is worth € 1,12 billion by two ships, "the source added. According to him, for this amount "here, in Russian shipyards, you can build not two, but four or five amphibious assault carriers with similar characteristics."

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, speaking on Monday on live television channel TF1, said that Paris may consider the option of canceling the sale of Russia to Mistral in the event of a further escalation of the situation in Ukraine. "The ability to cancel a deal to sell ships" Mistral "is included in the list of measures in the third series of sanctions against Russia," said the minister, adding that France is not ready to make such a decision on its own. She, Fabius explained, “does not intend to act alone in this case, other countries are also needed: France, in particular, will ask the UK to carry out similar (in scale) actions with the holdings of Russian oligarchs in London.”

In early March in Brussels, French President Francois Hollande said that the agreement to sell Russia two Mistral-type ships "at this stage" was not suspended. "France is in compliance with the provisions of the signed contracts. We are not yet at the stage when we need to cancel them - and we would like to avoid it," he said.

The contract for the construction of the "Mistral"

The contract worth € 1,12 billion for the construction of Mistral-type helicopter carriers for the Russian Navy was signed in June 2011 in St. Petersburg. It provides for the construction of the first two ships at the STX shipyard in the French Saint-Nazaire. The first ship "Vladivostok" was launched and according to the plan will be handed over to the Russian Navy at the end of 2014, the second ship "Sevastopol" - in 2015. The issue of the construction of the third and fourth Mistral in the Russian Federation should be resolved based on the results of the operation of Vladivostok and Sevastopol.

At the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg, the assembly of the stern for the second Mistral-type helicopter carrier continues, in the French Saint-Nazaire the bow of the ship is being collected in parallel. Stern from Petersburg to France is planned to be shipped by sea in July.

Technical specifications

Mistral-type helicopter carriers have a displacement of 21 thousand tons, a maximum hull length of 210 m, a speed of up to 18 knots, and a cruising range of up to 20 thousand miles. The size of the helicopter carrier team is 170 people, in addition, the ship can take on board 450 people. The air group includes 16 helicopters, six of which can simultaneously be placed on the take-off deck. The cargo deck of the ship can accommodate more than 40 tanks or 70 cars.

Mistrals can perform four tasks at once: take helicopters, land the military on land, be the center of command and a floating hospital.
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  1. +63
    18 March 2014 13: 35
    Well, survive. We’ll develop our military-industrial complex ... Something tells me that they won’t go for it ...
    1. jjj
      +28
      18 March 2014 13: 42
      This is how we get rid of "suitcases without a handle". The saved money will be enough to support Nikolaev after the referendum
      1. +23
        18 March 2014 13: 51
        Quote: jjj
        This is how we get rid of "suitcases without a handle". The saved money will be enough to support Nikolaev after the referendum


        They have already hinted to the British that they would compensate them with the loot of the Russian oligarchs. Otherwise they are not ready laughing
        1. jjj
          +10
          18 March 2014 14: 31
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          They have already hinted to the British that they would compensate them with the loot of the Russian oligarchs. Otherwise they are not ready

          Politically motivating private assets in the global financial center is a suicidal move. And they want to go to him. But there will be help to the new financial center, which we are trying to launch with China and India
      2. +34
        18 March 2014 13: 57
        French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, speaking on Monday live on TF1 TV channel, said that Paris may consider the option of canceling the sale of the Mistrals to Russia if the situation in Ukraine further escalates.

        Bluffing. Spending in the calculation that we will drive. They are too greedy to refuse money, moreover, in addition to penalties, they lose the status of a reliable supplier and partner, and in the current world of competition, this means a lot, the next customer will choose another manufacturer. So it's a chatter.
        1. +3
          18 March 2014 19: 59
          French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, speaking on Monday live on TF1 TV channel, said Paris could consider canceling the sale of Mistrals to Russia

          French business:
          Spite of the conductor - buy a ticket, go on foot! bully
      3. +9
        18 March 2014 16: 50
        In Nikolaev we can build any vessel, even an aircraft carrier, it is better to invest money in our infrastructure than to feed frank enemies.
        1. +9
          18 March 2014 18: 41
          Quote: Gakkoga
          In Nikolaev we can build any vessel, even an aircraft carrier, it is better to invest money in our infrastructure than to feed frank enemies.

          Only construction is better to begin after Nikolaev becomes the new subject of the Federation.
        2. +1
          18 March 2014 21: 35
          Quote: Gakkoga
          In Nikolaev we can build any vessel, even an aircraft carrier, it is better to invest money in our infrastructure

          But only after the referendum ... wink
      4. +4
        18 March 2014 18: 00
        we need the mistral - until we build a bridge, they will work by ferries
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    2. +6
      18 March 2014 13: 46
      Exactly, Semenych, they won’t go - what to do with the already finished good, and even for a lot of money.
      Let the frogmen scratch their turnips - 1,12 mldr (it seems that I have to say thank you to the gracious lady Serdyuchka) - they don’t lie on the road
      1. +12
        18 March 2014 13: 55
        Quote: Very old
        1,12 mldr (it seems like thanks should be given to the dear Madam seriously) - they don’t lie on the road


        So there is still a penalty is not frail. Or want to throw insolent? We can go behind them, the road is trodden ...
        1. +6
          18 March 2014 14: 26
          Here's another, trample the scissors, fly off or go. Or maybe fly and ride in the face? laughing
          1. 0
            18 March 2014 19: 20
            `` Or maybe fly and go in the face? ''. Yeah, check for allergies with Poplar. Here the splash will be unmeasured.
      2. +4
        18 March 2014 14: 25
        Quote: Very old
        what to do with the finished goods,

        In addition, they are adapted to our requirements, for our helicopters and provides for the installation of our weapons ....
    3. AVV
      +6
      18 March 2014 13: 57
      Quote: Semen Semenych
      Well, survive. We’ll develop our military-industrial complex ... Something tells me that they won’t go for it ...

      They will not build turn off the gas and abandon the French cognacs and wine !!!
      1. +11
        18 March 2014 14: 01
        We will refuse both wine and cognac, to me Muscat Crimean is much better
        1. +18
          18 March 2014 14: 16
          "Vladivostok" is already afloat, and the money has been paid for it - so there can be no revision of it in principle! But from the word "Sevastopol" they seem to be very puffy, so they whine ... Apparently, having given one, you will have to give the other. Although he is so - OUR !!!
          1. +4
            18 March 2014 15: 08
            Quote: vadimalehin76
            Muscat Crimean is much better for me

            Better not better, but anyway dearer. But what about the famous Soviet champagne produced in the Crimea (not the rubbish that is now being packaged under this name) you have not forgotten how to do it.
        2. +2
          18 March 2014 14: 33
          Quote: vadimalehin76
          Muscat Crimean is much better for me

          And I don’t need their wine for nothing. Sat down on the Chilean. Much better.
          1. +1
            18 March 2014 18: 46
            If someone does not understand, then I'm talking about the French- hi
          2. The comment was deleted.
        3. +8
          18 March 2014 14: 34
          Quote: vadimalehin76
          Muscat Crimean is much better for me

          Kokur, Jerez, and Port Wine are good. After a good year's vacation on the South Coast, I also sometimes enjoy these creations, though they have become a little expensive, well, you can refuse to love your beloved. And now it’s even more joyful for Crimea, for Russian history that was not destroyed there, people, well, for Artek !!! fellow
          1. +6
            18 March 2014 15: 03
            Quote: mhpv
            Kokur, Jerez and Port Wine are good

            I recommend the red semi-sweet "Old Chersonese", the Massandra garment is not bad good
            1. +2
              18 March 2014 16: 55
              Guys! We’ll drink Crimean soon, it’s not worse than the foreign ones. laughing drinks
            2. 0
              18 March 2014 21: 01
              AND I RECENTLY TAKEN PRINCE ABKHAZIA ATTEMPTED !!!! WESTERN VESCH, I WILL TELL YOU FOR 600 RE !!!!! good
            3. 0
              18 March 2014 23: 32
              The best of the masandra is the port "Ay serez" drinks
          2. +2
            18 March 2014 17: 00
            Do not poison the soul for Jerez and Port, today I will allow myself a bottle, in honor of the reunion drinks
          3. +2
            18 March 2014 17: 13
            And what did Artek remember? Have you been?
            If yes, then greetings from Artek residents! Azure 1987!
          4. +2
            18 March 2014 18: 45
            Quote: mhpv
            Kokur, Jerez and Port Wine are good

            Try Massandra "Muscat" (well, never an advertisement). Yes
            1. +1
              18 March 2014 20: 33
              Peel just missed the truth “White Stone Muscat” bites in Moscow - 1000rub drinks
              1. 0
                19 March 2014 03: 40
                Quote: mhpv
                in Moscow bites - 1000rub

                Yes, it is expensive. And from myself I recommend Black Muscat. hi drinks
        4. sPS
          +7
          18 March 2014 14: 48
          100% BETTER THAN GEORGIAN AND ALREADY THOSE WINES THAT COME FROM EUROPE WILL SUPPORT ITS MANUFACTURER drinks
          1. +4
            18 March 2014 15: 06
            Support and pour again drinks
      2. +2
        18 March 2014 14: 18
        Quote: AVV
        Quote: Semen Semenych
        Well, survive. We’ll develop our military-industrial complex ... Something tells me that they won’t go for it ...

        They will not build turn off the gas and abandon the French cognacs and wine !!!


        I looked after the "fawn" - can you wait? what
        1. 0
          18 March 2014 21: 04
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          I looked after the "fawn" - can you wait?

          Better to forget! Take the Japanese, do not think good
          1. 0
            19 March 2014 03: 49
            Quote: matRoss
            Take the Japanese, do not think

            Better to forget! hi fellow
    4. Rusin Dima
      +2
      18 March 2014 14: 06
      Frogs are discussing too serious money at stake
      1. +2
        18 March 2014 14: 31
        Bullshit. Shout, shout and calm down.
        This is now the trend, to frighten the goats towards Russia. Well, they cannot behave differently now. But even from the case to the case, and even more so they can’t move on.
    5. +4
      18 March 2014 14: 54
      Quote: Semen Semenych
      Well, survive. We’ll develop our military-industrial complex ... Something tells me that they won’t go for it ...

      Finally, there was public recognition that the contract value was four times overstated.
      The prosecutor’s office and the Investigative Committee are now obligated to open a preliminary investigation to whom when and how much are listed in the form of kickbacks from this contract.
      And the "combatant" stooltkin must be isolated in a pre-trial detention center, for the duration of the investigation
      1. 0
        18 March 2014 19: 41
        In fact, when they build for sale, they always demand more than they spend on construction, otherwise, what's the point of selling?
        In addition, not in four, but in two: 1120 / (250 + 250) = 2,24
      2. +1
        18 March 2014 20: 03
        I have such a suspicion that everything was planned in advance and this wild contract, too, couldn’t be refused.
        1. Space
          +1
          18 March 2014 22: 01
          Quote: Patriot.ru.
          I have such a suspicion that everything was planned in advance and this wild contract, too, couldn’t be refused.

          And the name "Sevestopol" seemed to hint ...
          hi
          1. 0
            18 March 2014 22: 10
            This contract was signed by Medvedev. This is suspicious.
    6. +1
      18 March 2014 14: 55
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      Something tells me that they won’t do it ...

      And if they do, then urgently need to freeze the export of frogs! winked
    7. +1
      18 March 2014 15: 12
      And I hope that they will go - finally, a lesson will be learned by our upper classes that we must do everything with our own hands. Because we have no allies in the west. And no FIG was from the very beginning to consider the Mistral. Money could be swelled into our developments, create additional. Scientific research institute, involving people, only very, very control, the benefit of the system of automated control, design and accounting is now at a good level.
  2. +25
    18 March 2014 13: 36
    It is necessary to terminate, return the money, let them float on their pelvis. The troughs were boiled up at exorbitant prices, our shipbuilders left without work. Politicians, your mother.
    1. +22
      18 March 2014 13: 40
      We do not need to dissolve, let them dissolve, and there the court, fines, penalties and other joys, let the paddlers pay.
      1. +8
        18 March 2014 13: 47
        Quote: Imperial
        We do not need to dissolve, let them dissolve, and there the court, fines, penalties and other joys, let the paddlers pay.


        May they not dissolve anything. INFA passed, about the comments about these same mistrals that they will put, but ATTENTION! without weapons! Although the weapons were not supposed to be installed there initially. Everything, coupled with the "obamka sanctions", clearly says - they will shout, shout and sit on that.
        1. +8
          18 March 2014 16: 28
          Quote: SHILO
          Yes, they will not dissolve anything

          Let them say, the tougher the sanctions and threats towards Russia, the better now. Since it unties our hands and allows us to get rid of those rules, norms and agreements with the West that were. Attention! March 4, we have already stopped saving money in the reserve fund, placed mainly in the debt securities of the West... The other day, Mironov said that Russia could withdraw from the WTO. Much can be done on the sly that Russia either did not really need, or even hampered its development. And the Mistrals are far from super-necessary ships for our fleet ... No one will sprinkle ashes on their heads, especially since all interested lobbyists have received their kickback.
          1. +1
            18 March 2014 18: 11
            Ascetic
            And the Mistrals are far from super-necessary ships for our fleet ... No one will sprinkle ashes on their heads, especially since all interested lobbyists have received their kickback.


            in general, it’s interesting to get used to yelling at what these Serdyukov’s lahans bought at a price of three from France, and now it’s clear why they should refuse them in time laughingYes, it’s worthless and profitable to cut off France. I still weigh the penalty for leaving the latter with my nose (you can put money into the bank at high interest rates)) France itself drove itself into a deadlock and was apparently not happy with itself)) and now it’s on its own these two unfinished floating troughs yes yes, and for which it seems to itself to cough up laughing well, or even the Anglo-Russian Alegarchate, which is also not a bad option, let them finally feel the true European democracy and look smarter))
            1. +1
              18 March 2014 19: 14
              [quote = regressSSSR] [quote] Ascetic
              And "Hmm, yes, and profitably cut down from France, I still quite weigh the penalty, leaving the last one with my nose (you could say they deposited money in the bank at high interest rates)) [/ quote]
              Do you seriously think that they will pay ?? Their entire judicial system will prove that we ourselves are to blame and that sanctions are imposed, we must pay them. they have seven aces in the speckled deck. Yes, to hell with them with the money RUSSIA is more expensive.
              1. +2
                18 March 2014 20: 07
                They will not return the money, we will freeze the assets of Rosbank (the Societé Generale) there are 14,5 billion. $ They have no choice.
      2. 0
        18 March 2014 19: 50
        Quote: Imperial
        We do not need to dissolve, let them dissolve, and there the court, fines, penalties and other joys, let the paddlers pay.


        That's right! Our producers have made money on the production of feed, now they will return the money previously paid, with penalties. Start manufacturing with us (the tooling is already available). And the French troughs, let them try, somewhere to attach the sanctions themselves. So, thanks to Serdyukov from the "grateful" shipbuilders of France.
    2. +2
      18 March 2014 13: 52
      These are not politicians vparil, but Serdyukov with his women !!
    3. mamba
      +5
      18 March 2014 15: 10
      Quote: Alez
      let them float on their pelvis.

      And there will be French shipbuilders with built "Mistrals" and penalties. Proud but sad. And on the sides of these ships Shoigu will write:
      - I didn't really want to! "
      1. +1
        18 March 2014 20: 12
        Quote: mamba
        Quote: Alez
        let them float on their pelvis.

        And there will be French shipbuilders with built "Mistrals" and penalties. Proud but sad. And on the sides of these ships Shoigu will write:
        - I didn't really want to! "

        The French, when the contract is broken, are guaranteed to say goodbye to the additional contract for the next two BDKs, and this is doubly unprofitable, such a pie will pass by. Indeed, if the French do not cancel the contract, the Russian side will sign the construction of two more BDKs.
  3. +24
    18 March 2014 13: 37
    Comrades, mind you, we have not even begun to impose retaliatory sanctions.
    1. +3
      18 March 2014 13: 38
      And if we introduce to them ourselves the sky with a sheepskin it seems lol
    2. +4
      18 March 2014 14: 25
      Comrades, mind you, we have not even begun to impose retaliatory sanctions
      And the State Duma of the Russian Federation requires the continuation of sanctions!
      State Duma deputies unanimously adopted a statement in which they ask US President Barack Obama and EU politicians to apply sanctions imposed on March 17 in connection with Russia's military aggression against Ukraine. 353 parliamentarians voted for the document, LIGABіznesіnform reports. “On March 17, the US State Department, (President Barack) Obama and the European Union made a ridiculous attempt to scare a hedgehog ...”
      Complete packing! laughing
      As it was in one movie:
      "Who among you seeks Harsh Justice?"
      "We demand Harsh Justice! Either tie everyone with ropes - or untie us!"
  4. +18
    18 March 2014 13: 37
    Hurray, there will be more work at our shipyards. One heart will feel bad - you have to give a rollback.
    1. jjj
      +3
      18 March 2014 13: 44
      By the way, about rollbacks, I also thought in that vein. But go and have already spent folk French money
    2. +1
      18 March 2014 14: 16
      Quote: FC Skif
      One heart will feel bad - you have to give a rollback.

      You don’t have to give anything to Serdyuk - they will take it away .....
      1. mamba
        +1
        18 March 2014 15: 35
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Don’t have to give anything to Serdyuk

        Will have to give the French taxpayers, and much more than the amount of the contract. What is not a way to return kickbacks and make money on French ambitions? They will know then, how much today is European solidarity. French authorities in their Russophobia resemble a snake biting its tail: http://www.twitube2.ru/video/-H3rggF2E9Y
  5. +8
    18 March 2014 13: 38
    Yes, everyone is already accustomed to the fact that the West can only scream and can, but there are no actions! Remember the year 2008! hi
  6. +8
    18 March 2014 13: 38
    Money is not the most important, the most important is the loss of Reputation. Who will cooperate with such people now? I would not call the French "great shipbuilders" anyway, but now they are also unreliable "not quite great shipbuilders."
  7. torrr38_41
    +7
    18 March 2014 13: 39
    If they blocked the tap, they would have grown wiser and would not have fooled around.
    1. ZSP
      +3
      18 March 2014 14: 38
      You can once a week in the winter in frosts steady cover up a miracle, they say Yarosh arranged a diversion, let them see how it is ....
      1. not good
        +3
        18 March 2014 17: 03
        No need to overlap, it’s better to arrange a sabotage for Yarosh. Then it will be possible to say that it’s your dog, you kissed your ass, clean and poop yourself.
  8. +6
    18 March 2014 13: 39
    Let them tear apart, not only will they pay the fines, so maybe at last at our shipyards there will be more work. And the fines, as I understand it, there on another such boat.
    1. +1
      18 March 2014 14: 01
      fines, as I understand it, there on another such boat.

      Here you look, and earn on sanctions! good
  9. anarch
    +5
    18 March 2014 13: 40
    That would be canceled.
    There will be laughter.
    A widow who has carved herself will become a reality.
  10. +8
    18 March 2014 13: 40
    which carablet builders are sitting without work?
    in my opinion they digest with difficulty
    1. +3
      18 March 2014 13: 45
      Already, fortunately, no: they are laying down, modernizing, by the end of next year we are expecting a couple more "Peter the Great".
    2. +2
      18 March 2014 13: 54
      Quote: Figvam
      which carablet builders are sitting without work?
      in my opinion they digest with difficulty

      Plus you. There are not enough shipyards now. Work loaded and even some queue organized. Or it is necessary to build new shipyards.
      1. 0
        18 March 2014 20: 15
        Quote: stayer
        Quote: Figvam
        which carablet builders are sitting without work?
        in my opinion they digest with difficulty

        Plus you. There are not enough shipyards now. Work loaded and even some queue organized. Or it is necessary to build new shipyards.

        But in Nikolaev, the shipyards are idle, and the "Ukraine" is rotting at the outfitting wall. Isn't it time to organize the free expression of the will of the masses in the Nikolaev region? In the form of a referendum with approximately the same parameters as in Crimea. Well, at the same time in Odessa and Kherson.
  11. +4
    18 March 2014 13: 41
    yeah, the French have a headache now from penalties, as they say, the first sign in the economic battle. Go Russia!!!
  12. +12
    18 March 2014 13: 41
    The Mistral should not bother us! The main thing in the event of non-delivery is to obtain compensation (and to cancel such transactions in the future). SORRY ONLY LOST TIME! The main thing is to start the production of their landing ships of a similar and smaller classes!
    1. In the Crimea, load the company "More" for the production of "ZUBRs" on an air cushion! For the Black Sea Fleet and for the Baltic!
    2. 2-4 helicopter carriers of our project involving the Crimean industry, consider the Sevastopol plant. Attract USC to re-equip this plant !!!
    In CRIMEA it is necessary to create the SOUTH SHIPBUILDING CENTER! While there is no Nikolaev in our structure!
    1. +1
      18 March 2014 13: 48
      I totally agree with you. And do it as soon as possible hi
    2. Spstas1
      +4
      18 March 2014 14: 18
      ! Sevmorzavod "is capable of repairing. But building large-capacity capital ships is possible only in Kerch and Nikolaev.
      1. not good
        +2
        18 March 2014 17: 05
        Means it is necessary to help Nikolaev, and at the same time to Odessa and Kherson, at least to federalize.
  13. Vtel
    +4
    18 March 2014 13: 42
    The order of Comrade Ser-Dyukov is canceled, the spices ran out of the custodians, there is nothing to mix Misral with - they smell strongly.
  14. mountaineer
    +4
    18 March 2014 13: 42
    yes he tries .. no one needs !!! this is a hybrid tanker-transporter! not designed for the northern latitudes !!!!! let Toko return the money !!!!!!!!
  15. +3
    18 March 2014 13: 43
    Well, dig a dig a hole for ourselves, and we will stupidly die.
  16. Arh
    +2
    18 March 2014 13: 44
    You Europeans already decide with us, it means for the truth, and not exactly the USA shit in the hole wink am bully
  17. +7
    18 March 2014 13: 44
    I will tell you so, the cancellation of the Mistral, will only benefit. finally, the issue of solving the problems of the Navy will be raised to another level and no one will be able to close their eyes. you need to understand that in the Crimea there are 2 good shipyards. and if we invest in modernization, we will get modern enterprises in the south. this will allow you to build much faster and better
  18. +8
    18 March 2014 13: 44
    Hollande, please finally feel for your eggs and cancel the contract for the Mistral, I’m even ready to go and buy French cheese in support of such a decision!
    1. +5
      18 March 2014 13: 53
      Quote: Ek.Sektor
      ready to go and buy french cheese!

      With mold?
  19. +2
    18 March 2014 13: 48
    that is not news, everything is at hand for us)))
    In any case, we partially participated in the construction and we took no experience whatsoever.
    1. +3
      18 March 2014 13: 56
      It’s also somehow strange: I read the news and I can’t understand, that it’s not a sanction either a loud zilch or one solid positive from it. belay
      What the hell is going on in the world? belay
      lol
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  20. Markusmooon
    +3
    18 March 2014 13: 50
    Serdyukov on the count you need to put a ghoul for such a contract, and he was amnestied
  21. +2
    18 March 2014 13: 50
    They ate an infectious frog on a hike, since they are delirious ... - Yes, we are ... yes, we are here ... Your backside is naked, but the guys "marry" each other or "marry a husband" ugh! Fools by God!
  22. +9
    18 March 2014 13: 51
    France, in particular, will ask the UK to carry out similar (in scale) actions with the holdings of Russian oligarchs in London. "

    Well stupid !!! Yes, we do not care about the oligarchs in London. Well, for sure, no one will cry if something is blocked by Abramovich, rather the opposite !!! Just because our people, the oligarchs, to put it mildly, do not like!
    1. +3
      18 March 2014 13: 56
      And to put it mildly, they don’t like the same hi
  23. +3
    18 March 2014 13: 52
    Questions arise on the merits of what Marshal Taburetkin, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, thought when concluding the contract. As far as I know, our admirals climbed the wall with grief that they want to vpendyurit this garbage. And who gave guarantees of eternal friendship with our potential adversary. The Crimean war was forgotten by the Anglo-French. It's like a subtle mockery of one of the frog self-propelled barges to call "Sevastopol"!
  24. +4
    18 March 2014 13: 55
    Therefore, they refuse that kickbacks are laid there ... although it could be assumed that we are paying for technology. The truth is that politics is a dirty business. They act like prostitutes - we’ll either build, or not ...
  25. +5
    18 March 2014 13: 57
    Well, gentlemen, we are waiting for the forfeit and we will develop our industry, and Mr. Serdyukov needs to go into the UK and clarify how the construction of similar ships in Russia is much less, and we decided to buy a French misunderstanding.
    1. Orc-xnumx
      +2
      18 March 2014 14: 12
      It stinks here not with "negligence", but with sabotage!
  26. +2
    18 March 2014 13: 57
    This stick is about two ends !! Well stupid !!!)))
  27. +8
    18 March 2014 13: 58
    Yes nifiga they are not upset!))) This is a bluff!
    Nobody will lose such huge money.
    Contracts, profits, incomes, taxes, budget, etc., everything is calculated and planned!
    It is only We are so "Rich", we can cut tanks, but new ships, abandon factories and whole cities and leave millions of people without trousers, only give your uncle an official bucks!
    And Europe, we must pay tribute to it in this, will count seven times with something, that it will do something!
  28. +3
    18 March 2014 13: 59
    The French are like mongrel, yapping and at the same time looking at the amers: do they approve or not !!! The French have no self, and the west does not !!! All look only on amers !!! Let them break the contracts !!! This is only at hand.
  29. +2
    18 March 2014 13: 59
    eat lumpen snails. and the word "fast" must be written correctly. not bistro, but fast jump jump on frog legs
  30. mountaineer
    +8
    18 March 2014 13: 59
    Be silent, shameful Europe and do not shake your rights! You are just an ass in Russia, but you think that your head! hi
  31. +5
    18 March 2014 14: 00
    Well, really it was not immediately clear that placing an order for the production of arms in a country that is a likely adversary is simply idiocy. And then they argued here on the forum until hoarseness. Whether there will be more if God forbid real hostilities begin. Who will supply us with spare parts for all these IVECO, thermal imagers, etc.? I hope this will be a cold shower for lovers of kickbacks at the conclusion of such dubious transactions.
  32. Capyar 48315
    +9
    18 March 2014 14: 01
    Mistral is generally a very interesting case. Russia will not get upset to say the least mildly. France before .. we are glad about this contract and very not happy about forcing it to break. And the joke of the situation is that, by and large, only the EU, and specifically France, loses from this gap. But they can’t do anything, because against the backdrop of calls for sanctions, putting the Mistral is absurd from the point of view of what is happening in the Western media - it doesn’t correspond at all. They are poor and already the Mistral issue put sanctions in the third place. Some Frenchmen are already directly asking partners - if you bet on the headstock, then everyone else, and then we are completely offended by one
  33. wax
    +5
    18 March 2014 14: 01
    Great sanctions! So our oligarchs would have basked in invented Western towers, and now we have to work for Russia. We will also unite. Finally, we will recreate our own defense industry with the latest elemental base. Late, gentlemen, zapadentsy: the bear stood on its hind legs. Now any of your sanctions work on the rise of Russia.
  34. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 04
    This is the same case from the proverb: "We are beaten, and we are getting fat." We will rely more on ourselves and rebuild our industry sooner. - "May the sanctions help us!"
  35. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 05
    Snooze rip off! They will pay the loot, and then let them thread their toys to someone else’s thread!
  36. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 06
    If the French would do this good deed, you see, if free money from Russia appeared to support our brothers in the south-east of Ukraine, I’m not talking about Crimea, he is already a subject of the federation and we are obliged to help in any case. I just don’t understand where the eyes of Serdyuk were and when. When they signed the contract, it’s obvious the kickbacks were oh .... e, if they overestimated the prices at times.
  37. Orc-xnumx
    +1
    18 March 2014 14: 07
    To me .... if they leave Abramovich without pants!
  38. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 07
    Something I did not understand about "building the bow". It seems they have already shown a picture of how the "head" and our "ass" docked, he was already on the water entirely. request
    1. 0
      19 March 2014 04: 09
      Reported for Vladivostok. The one afloat, at the outfitting wall. In fact (for now) an empty case, with a kit, but without equipment, and even more so without weapons.
      At the same time, work is underway on two docks on "Sevastopol". He has not yet been "paired".
      In total, the order was meant for 4 ships. I even read somewhere that the names will be given to them, too, by the cities located within the fleets. 2 at the TF - "Vladivostok" and "Nakhodka" (???), 1 at the Black Sea Fleet - "Sevastopol" and 1 at the Northern Fleet - "Murmansk" or "Arkhangelsk" ...
  39. +10
    18 March 2014 14: 08
    All this is the third package of sanctions in case troops enter Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine, as Sikorsky said yesterday.

    According to the answer - the most direct Union-ST, 30 PH were in the package of signed documents with the Mistrals. 6 has already been launched, 1 is being installed, another 13 launch vehicle will be launched before the end of the 2015 year. If the Unions are knocked out, then the KURU will become an anchor for the EU space program.

    For the alternative to the Union is VEGA, but it is unable to display the satellites that the Union displays (there are not enough 500 kg, for example, the 7 PH will launch the 2350 kg satellite, and Vega has 1800 real, 2000 calculated). Plus Vega is more expensive and there is no release yet, only 2 launch vehicles have been launched and another 5 is being assembled.

    Another alternative is Arian-5, but it is a completely different class. Yes, and expensive. For example, they launch Galileo by the Unions, but they will have to pack in ARIAN and it is not yet clear how much this is additional money.
  40. +7
    18 March 2014 14: 13
    France, in particular, will ask the UK to carry out similar (in scale) actions with the holdings of Russian oligarchs in London. "
    Yomayo, is that now the club will be taken away from Abramovich? And our Gazprom team has a football team in Germany? Oh, they’re not being pitied right under your breath. I'm going to drink valerian drinks
  41. +2
    18 March 2014 14: 13
    That's right, they won’t deliver these three irons, cut down penalties from the frogmen and build what we really need with this money, and not colonial transport, and its models are far from the best.
  42. +4
    18 March 2014 14: 21
    And it will be good. Will go to the piggy bank of sanctions, take the place of something more substantial.
  43. +3
    18 March 2014 14: 24
    She, Fabius explained, "does not intend to act alone in this case, other countries are also needed: France, in particular, will ask Great Britain to carry out similar (in scale) actions with the holdings of Russian oligarchs in London."
    I don’t even know .... ordinary Russians are simply shocked by the barbaric methods of Europe
  44. shyler
    +1
    18 March 2014 14: 27
    G8 has decided to suspend Russia's membership in the organization, Interfax reports with reference to French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.
    just do not stop, with the WTO also suspend the contract!
    1. +3
      18 March 2014 14: 57
      Of course they will suspend. All will be. And even the Mistals will give, although it would be better not to give. There are no economic sanctions and never will be. Cooperation with NATO, as well as especially the big eight, didn’t bother us anywhere. It’s Yeltsin’s tickled vanity, but Putin has BRIC, to which South Africa has also joined))) And you issue visas, imagine.
  45. okmijn
    +2
    18 March 2014 14: 28
    Sanctions must be introduced by the people ourselves. Just a boycott of all goods from the EU and the USA, this will be a real blow to their economies. Of course, 100% will not work, but still they will not be able to count billions, and their electorate will turn away from such rulers in an instant, and in the next elections they will enjoy the popularity of election campaigns restoring friendship with Russia !!!
  46. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 29
    Right children !!! They have money, work for people, and they succumb to tanu. Money and fines to the homeland. For that kind of money, we’ll load our plants with work. It is not clear one thing, why do we need helicopter carriers ???
  47. sazhka4
    +1
    18 March 2014 14: 31
    the cost of building one "Mistral" is € 250 million,
    I don’t want to go into details .. And what money did we buy? About 2 billion apiece? And in euros ... You can forgive everything to Putin for the Crimea. But here it is necessary to answer. Serdyukov is not to blame. They are victims .. And we?
    1. +2
      18 March 2014 15: 27
      At the time of the conclusion of the contracts, the country was led by a simple guy Dima.
  48. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 38
    This article once again confirms that it is impossible to support economically the NATO countries (buying Mistrals, buying cars Lynx), but it is necessary to develop their industries hi P.S. it’s good that I have documented everything I hope competently hi
  49. +3
    18 March 2014 14: 41
    For many years I have not bought Latvian sprats, although of course they can be the best from sprats! But I don't give a fuck, as they say, and they will trample Kaliningrad ones. Renault as a car has always been a bullshit, now if they throw a Mistral at them I won't look at them at all! "It's just that, in principle, at least Mistral and bullshit! But something tells me that Mistrals will first be in the third package of sanctions, then in the fourth , then in the fifth and so on. Otherwise, Masha Le Pen is the next president of France. And her predecessors will leave France forever! So think Olandushka think!
    1. Field
      +2
      18 March 2014 14: 52
      Quote: fregina1
      Masha Le Pen is the next president of France


      "Masha" Le Pen is a fighting woman, she herself will "ambush" Olanda along with 134, you just need to support her a little)))
  50. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 42
    The "Mistrals" float down the river towards Chuguev, well, let the pieces of iron float ........ !!! laughing
  51. +3
    18 March 2014 14: 42
    Do they think that someone in Russia will be upset if France keeps the Mistral? Or if the money of the oligarchs in England is blocked?!
    Yes please! we even have to ask for it!
    Look, we'll build ships at home, and the rich will keep their money in Russia!
  52. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 44
    And it’s too early to rejoice at any penalties in case of contract failure. If such a tough confrontation actually happens, then they won’t pay us anything. We’ll have to introduce some kind of retaliatory measures. Otherwise, we can be left without the Mistral and without money.
    1. 0
      19 March 2014 01: 02
      Quote: Ralex
      And it’s too early to rejoice at any penalties in case of contract failure. If such a tough confrontation actually happens, then they won’t pay us anything. We’ll have to introduce some kind of retaliatory measures. Otherwise, we can be left without the Mistral and without money.


      I completely agree! They want to stupidly throw at everything! ! You only have to rely on yourself!
  53. servant
    0
    18 March 2014 14: 47
    Taking into account the fact that the need for Mistrals for Russia caused a lot of controversy, maybe this is a good way to push the guards to break the contract and cut the dough from them as a penalty! Two birds with one stone, as they say...
  54. +1
    18 March 2014 14: 48
    Words words.
    Yes, they will hang themselves for a centime!
    And a contract worth €1,12 billion would sweep away any French government.
  55. 0
    18 March 2014 14: 50
    He apparently blurted out without thinking, and when he received a slap in the ears from those who would have to pay for his show off, he wagged his backside, like excuse me... well, you know who.
  56. 0
    18 March 2014 14: 53
    Our catalog cost for building one Mistral is €250 million


    Where do we make Mistrals? Why then did you order it in France?
    1. Space
      0
      18 March 2014 22: 07
      It's all about the documentation.
  57. 0
    18 March 2014 14: 55
    Scared a hedgehog naked booty.
    Divan divanych thought about his profit when signing contracts and wondered how they would get the money back, the workers weren’t paid all this time?
  58. 77bob1973
    0
    18 March 2014 14: 58
    The DCSN shipyards belong to a South Korean company, it is still unknown from which side it will arrive.
  59. 0
    18 March 2014 15: 07
    not bad, judging even by the incomplete characteristics of the ship. Such a “assortment” in one bottle. I would like to hear more about your weapons.
  60. 0
    18 March 2014 15: 21
    Let them choke on their MISRALS. If they pay a fine, we won’t build it.
  61. 0
    18 March 2014 15: 24
    Quote: fregina1
    So think, Olandushka, think!

    Don’t you know what Olandushka is thinking?
  62. 120352
    0
    18 March 2014 15: 25
    Let them swim in these long-outdated basins, and let us get our money back! And since the contract is terminated on their initiative, they will have to pay a penalty. Otherwise we'll let them go around the world. And we will be denounced to the whole world as an unreliable business partner.
  63. 0
    18 March 2014 15: 31
    the minister said, adding that France is not ready to make such a decision on its own. She, Fabius explained, “does not intend to act alone in this case; other countries are also needed: France, in particular, will ask the UK to carry out similar (in scale) actions with the holdings of Russian oligarchs in London.”

    Here are the strange concepts of adequacy among the French: the Britons are offered to freeze the loot (i.e., put it into circulation), and they themselves sign up for a penalty...

    Mysterious gay European soul...
  64. 0
    18 March 2014 15: 32
    will ask the UK to carry out similar (in scale) actions with the holdings of Russian oligarchs in London

    Hurry up, well done paddling pool people, I wish them to achieve this...
  65. Vi_RUS
    0
    18 March 2014 15: 45
    I will repeat for the thousandth time, I don’t give a damn about these mines!!! We have our own landing craft weighing in the air, we need to finish building it, and here are these UDCs, which we absolutely need!
  66. 0
    18 March 2014 15: 56
    Why are we worried and worried? One Mistral is already being mastered by our team in testing, and half of the other is still in Russia.
  67. 0
    18 March 2014 15: 59
    I propose counter-sanctions: a ban on supporting the military-industrial complex of countries that finance fascism. Let the troughs rust, especially since we have had all the construction and other documentation on the Mistrals for a long time
  68. -1
    18 March 2014 16: 05
    And so, who got into this project from Russia... Well, literally ALL people said that it was GREAT STUPIDITY, ordering weapons from the enemy... But no, one idiot said, Russia REALLY MISSED a billion already. From the same opera and 3 billion to Yanukovych, people's money is wasted in the sand... In the face of such a threat from the West, which loomed after the events in Ukraine, a GRAND CLEANING must be carried out in Russia. These are the MEDIA, THE STATE APPARATUS, THE OLIGARCHS... Only after this there is a chance for the country and the Russian world to survive... but it seems that the current leadership has not yet lost the illusion that “maybe everything will work out”, “they will lose much more benefits ", "The Western monetary system will collapse if ..." and other nonsense. There is no way back, and there never was one... Russia has only one way: either fight or disappear... If you don’t clean up right now, then all that remains is to disappear...
  69. 0
    18 March 2014 16: 14
    the legacy of the asshole Serdyukov, you need to support your production
  70. kelevra
    +1
    18 March 2014 17: 03
    That’s right, I’m for the same thing, ours will receive much more advantages from the failure of such a dubious and unnecessary contract!
  71. +1
    18 March 2014 17: 30
    Crimea is worth any number of Mistrals.
    I wonder when they realize that they cannot sell the new building to anyone but us, will we be able to demand a discount as for a used product?
  72. 0
    18 March 2014 17: 43
    Fabius and Hollande will be hung by the testicles by the shipbuilders on these same Mistrals if they say anything about freezing the order, and they have already been hinted about this.
    They don’t have a lot of orders there, but here they have such a problem.
    Putin is correct in saying that American and European politicians first blurt out something and then scratch their turnips...
  73. 0
    18 March 2014 18: 15
    And who will they attach these Mistrals to? A self-respecting person will not take a jacket from someone else's shoulder.
  74. +2
    18 March 2014 18: 47
    We'll take the Mistrals, don't worry.
    Firstly: these are not helicopter carriers in their pure form, but full-fledged large landing craft. We needed them precisely in the Black - Mediterranean Seas.
    Secondly: I feel, and this is not the first time I say this, that the Mistral is a prototype for an aircraft carrier.
    Thirdly: Geyropa, out of habit, spreads to the amers, but somehow it’s not like it was in the late eighties.
    And most importantly: By... Paid!!! If you don’t give it away with ships, we’ll take it with heating, the last winter is ending, but NOT THE LAST!
    But you will have to seriously check what you received so that it doesn’t turn out like with Novorossiysk (Giulio Cesare).
  75. MAKSAK
    +1
    18 March 2014 19: 01
    They and their dirty politics are like little children, a teenager who is a year older tells them what to do, and they dance to his tune with great pleasure! Isn’t it time to calm down, have your own opinion, and put your brains together and not act out and not be a corrupt puppet! After all, sooner or later this can come back to haunt you!
    1. 0
      18 March 2014 19: 21
      They can’t help but six. What is it called, Amsterdam Syndrome? Driving through Germany, a huge poster - Property of the US Army!!! They got used to it in SEVENTY! years that they have been occupied!!! They are stupidly afraid, despite all sorts of independent movements such as the adoption of the euro. At the same time, they know history very well.
      1. The amers and I fought only on foreign territory.
      2. Roughly speaking, if the Americans shoot at us, they will hit us, and if we shoot at the Amers, then it will go to Europe, and then geographically to the Amers (Iskander does not reach Washington, and even Point Uuu to Berlin - scary? )
  76. 0
    18 March 2014 19: 09
    To be honest, I would really like them to be caught at their word and forced to leave this rubbish in France, even at a small loss for us
  77. typhoon7
    0
    18 March 2014 19: 21
    I read in the news: “France does not exclude the use of force against Russia...” Is this a short joke or are they serious? I wonder how they want to do it, hold a gay parade near our borders? laughing
  78. +2
    18 March 2014 19: 22
    On the one hand, by ordering the Mistral, we prevented their shipyard, which makes them, from closing. On the other hand, we give this money not only for the helicopter carriers themselves, but also for technology, training, technical support, etc. Accordingly, they transfer patents to us along with the ships. And that's a different conversation. Everything is not so simple here, it is clear that most likely 2 more will not be built at our shipyards, but will do something of their own, using the technologies we need. Something like this...
  79. +6
    18 March 2014 21: 37
    According to his assessment, for this amount “here, at Russian shipyards, it is possible to build not two, but four or five amphibious helicopter carriers with similar characteristics
    Concluding a contract with a foreign country SOMEBODY clearly sought to ruin his defense industry. And this one SOMEBODY didn't answer for anything
  80. 0
    18 March 2014 21: 46
    I’m not very happy because our military industry has already been turned to these vessels. Ka-52 helicopters and everything it should have been equipped with. The flywheel is already spun, I believe. And where should we put it?
  81. 0
    18 March 2014 23: 52
    Quote: jjj
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    They have already hinted to the British that they would compensate them with the loot of the Russian oligarchs. Otherwise they are not ready

    Politically motivating private assets in the global financial center is a suicidal move. And they want to go to him. But there will be help to the new financial center, which we are trying to launch with China and India


    We don’t forget and also keep in reserve players from South America, Argentina and Brazil, they are also asking to join the economic union
  82. 0
    18 March 2014 23: 55
    But by and large, we don’t really need the Mistrals! This was really an economic step, but once you’ve paid, it means build, or a fine. Otherwise, you’ll have to pay it off with French money invested in other projects.
  83. 0
    19 March 2014 00: 45
    Putin does everything so quickly that no one can keep up with his logic. While they are discussing contracts with the Mistrals in Crimea, they will have time to build the Don-2 radar, the Kerch bridge and the South Stream laughing
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  85. 0
    19 March 2014 03: 09
    Quote: shyler
    G8 has decided to suspend Russia's membership in the organization, Interfax reports with reference to French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.

    30 minutes after Herr Putin’s speech in France, the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs denied the statement of his patron. They say they misunderstood - he wanted to say that they suspended the meeting in Sochi.
    1. IGS
      0
      19 March 2014 03: 23
      Moscow, March 18 – AiF-Moscow. German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Tuesday denied the statement of French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius that Russia's membership in the G8 has been suspended, reports the German publication Focus.

      There will be no sanctions, and if something happens, it will only be if we don’t stop. But I think whether we stop or not depends not on the threat of sanctions or their severity, but on the adequate behavior of the West and Ukraine. And they can impose whatever sanctions they want, the people are more united than ever, and for us this is much more important than money. And don’t tell me that “you won’t have anything to feed your children with, then you’ll start drinking differently.” We won’t die of hunger, and it’s unlikely that anything will change for the average person. Well, maybe we’ll buy the same household appliances and electronics, but cheaper, for example, I don’t care that instead of a bitten apple, the Great Wall of China will be painted there laughing
  86. 0
    19 March 2014 03: 11
    Quote: Ralex
    And it’s too early to rejoice at any penalties in case of contract failure. If such a tough confrontation actually happens, then they won’t pay us anything. We’ll have to introduce some kind of retaliatory measures. Otherwise, we can be left without the Mistral and without money.

    And we will simply stop paying interest on their loans and nationalize local enterprises....