Israel attacked near 30 targets in Gaza

In response to the most intense Palestinian missile attack on Israel’s air force in one and a half years, they attacked 29 targets in the Gaza Strip, Israeli Prime Minister Ofer Gendelman said.

According to the Israeli military, in the south of the country 42 missiles fell, including at least eight - within the settlements. Three missiles were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense system. The shelling did without casualties and destruction, reports RIA "News».

"The Israeli Air Force attacked 29 terrorist sites in the Gaza Strip in response to a powerful rocket attack from the Islamic Jihad," wrote Gendelman in a microblog on Twitter. Two more targets in the Gaza Strip were shot at earlier.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised to respond “with all his might” to the truce violation, and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called on the local television to “re-occupy” the Gaza Strip, from where the Israelis left 2005.

Responsibility for the rocket attack on Israel took the Palestinian group "Islamic Jihad", three militants who died on Tuesday at an Israeli air strike, inflicted in response to mortar shelling.

Comments

[Stiletto]

Judging by the number of successful interceptions, the Israeli "Iron Dome" turned out to be not so iron.

[ReifA]

It has already been written more than once that missiles are being intercepted, the fall of which will entail casualties. There are no victims - an indicator of either luck, or the work of the dome, or this and that. Accordingly, to draw conclusions on the above infe is incorrect.

[Salamander]

Well, yes, what's the point of shooting down rockets flying into the desert?

[viktorR]

But, 8 missiles fell in settlements, and only three intercepted, respectively, three out of eleven, this is the result of the LCD.

[ReifA]

I repeat - missiles go down, the fall of which can lead to victims. There are no victims. Further down the text.

[Dazdranagon]

eight - within settlements.

Quote: ReifA

missiles go down, the fall of which could lead to victims

- i.e. LCD also with artificial intelligence? Or maybe he just could not intercept them?

[Papakiko]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- i.e. LCD also with artificial intelligence?

All natural nor any artificial substitutes.

Quote: Dazdranagon

Or maybe he just could not intercept them?

A knowledgeable person explains:

Quote: ReifA

that the interception is rockets, the fall of which will entail the victims. There are no victims - an indicator of either luck, or the work of the dome, or this and that

Quote: ReifA

Accordingly, to draw conclusions on the above infe is incorrect.

Quote: ReifA

missiles go down, the fall of which could lead to victims

It’s also a weapon of the 22nd century, and it’s scary to imagine how the efficiency will increase after the introduction of a highly advertised lasers.

[Pimply]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- i.e. LCD also with artificial intelligence? Or maybe he just could not intercept them?

Have you ever read about the system? It was originally sharpened so that in order to reduce the cost of shooting down only missiles flying to certain sectors, and not all.

[viktorR]

You did not understand the comment thread. A ReifA citizen claims that the LCD misses missiles even flying to populated areas, unless they harm the NP and kill people there. The algorithm of such calculations, for some reason, even the most simplified one, did not provide.

[Pimply]

Quote: viktorR

We did not understand the comment thread. A ReifA citizen claims that the LCD misses missiles even flying to populated areas, unless they harm the NP and kill people there. The algorithm of such calculations, for some reason, even the most simplified one, did not provide.

The whole question is in the parameters that are given to the system. Settlement - a loose concept

[viktorR]

A settlement is a point where there is a POPULATION. Why juggle? Why not just admit that in this particular case, the LCD did not work very well? Although the overall statistics, he is very not bad. Israeli cheers patriotism interfere?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: viktorR

You did not understand the comment thread. A ReifA citizen claims that the LCD misses missiles even flying to populated areas, unless they harm the NP and kill people there. The algorithm of such calculations, for some reason, even the most simplified one, did not provide.

The algorithm is simple - it makes no sense to shoot down a rocket that falls into an open scrap metal warehouse, for example, or an abandoned warehouse, even if it is within the boundaries of a settlement. Especially at night, all damage from such a hit is repaired with two shovels of new asphalt.
The ballistic "dome" eliminator allows very spot coverage even staggered "through the block" or even "through the house".
The problem can arise only in the case of guided and maneuvering ammunition, then you will have to switch the canopy to the "continuous coverage" mode due to the impossibility of calculating the ballistic trajectory.

[viktorR]

There is a watchman at any metal warehouse. Or in Israel, boundless fields of scrap metal)?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: viktorR

There is a watchman at any metal warehouse.

Far from any, many simply have a high fence, a large lock, an alarm system and a video surveillance system. 21 century in the yard.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: Pimply

It was originally sharpened so that in order to reduce the cost of shooting down only missiles flying to certain sectors, and not all.

- and every Israeli has a card "tuda ne hady - raketa will hit the head" ?!

[kirieeleyson]

It is very typical in the spirit of Israel to state

missiles go down, the fall of which could lead to victims

, in fact, you can see that this junk is ineffective. In India, the warriors who tested this "Iron Dome" spat, the efficiency is below 30%
According to calculations, something like that is. So, do not here))

[alone]

Quote: kirieeleyson

In India, the warriors who tested this "Iron Dome" spat, the efficiency is below 30%

In India, the MIG-21 was tested in due time. There was a lot of praise. Everyone was delighted. Except for the MIG-21, which "brave" Indians killed in hundreds. So the opinion of the Indians is somehow dubious.

[kirieeleyson]

and you noticed that even the developers themselves are guided by the indicators of these countries, they bring products. The Hindus always had this, they buy a lot, study, break up, then relearn and break up again, but they boost the development of their military industrial complex, train generations, and now India can not be compared with the same India 10 years ago. You will remember how relatively recently (about 50 years ago) they had nothing but guns, sabers and guns besides rifles. And now? Yes, they 3 aircraft carrier already want to accept!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: kirieeleyson

It is very typical in the spirit of Israel to state

missiles go down, the fall of which could lead to victims

, in fact, you can see that this junk is ineffective. In India, the warriors who tested this "Iron Dome" spat, the efficiency is below 30%
According to calculations, something like that is. So, do not here))

Continue to believe in it, even though the fact that the "dome" is an inflatable model, it seems to us purple The main thing for us is the result, but the result is obvious - more than 100 missiles per day, there are no casualties, material damage is not mentioned at all. So keep telling us how bad the dome is - we are amused.

[kirieeleyson]

Quote: And Us Rat

The result is the main thing for us, and the result is obvious - more than 100 missiles per day, there are no victims, material damage is not mentioned at all.

Yes thank God.

So keep telling us how bad the dome is - we are amused.

I'm just amused by the "selectivity" of target designation of your system, which may work according to completely different algorithms than you indicate. Do not be offended, there is a healthy argument, it is always better than nothing)
ps - I like your KAZ, so let's discuss further)

[viktorR]

What unbridled cheers-patriotism ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: viktorR

What unbridled cheers-patriotism ...

I am operating solely with the de facto results. There are no casualties or destructions - hence the system has fulfilled its task. What else does?
This is your "camp" they operate with phrases: "but if only ..."
"If my grandmother had eggs, her name would be grandfather."

And please note, I’m not trying to prove something or convince anyone, believe in anything you want, because of this I won’t sleep less at night

[Tourist Breakfast]

But, 8 missiles fell in settlements, and only three intercepted, respectively, three out of eleven, this is the result of the LCD.

It is necessary to look in what exactly the settlements were the rockets falling. As far as I know from the news, we are talking about small villages located close to the border with Gaza. LCD does not cover them. And he covers large cities 20 -40 km from Gaza.

[viktorR]

Wow screwed up). But as always)

[Pimply]

Quote: viktorR

Wow screwed up). But as always)

And what are you screwed up? There are really several villages and towns that are from Gaza in a 4-kilometer zone.

[Pimply]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

It is necessary to look in what exactly the settlements were the rockets falling. As far as I know from the news, we are talking about small villages located close to the border with Gaza. LCD does not cover them. And he covers large cities 20 -40 km from Gaza.

Well, not only that. Sderot and Ashkelon are much closer

[Tourist Breakfast]

Well, not only that. Sderot and Ashkelon are much closer

Sderot does not seem to hide behind the LCD. There just was a hit in the city. And Ashkelon is 20 km from Gaza.

[Pimply]

Ashkelon is 9 km from the border.

LCD battery deployed in Sderot including

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Sderot does not seem to hide behind the LCD. There just was a hit in the city. And Ashkelon is 20 km from Gaza.

For me, they would have closed the question with Gaza once and for all, the ceasefire had violated the truce, it’s unacceptable to live and constantly look around that a rocket will be fired at your house.

[Pimply]

Quote: saturn.mmm

For me, they would have closed the question with Gaza once and for all, the ceasefire had violated the truce, it’s unacceptable to live and constantly look around that a rocket will be fired at your house.

Close once and for all called genocide

[222222]

"In total, in 2011 there were 229 attacks, 386 missiles, the result: three dead, 38 wounded, 34 missiles were shot down by the missile defense system
As of March 12, 2012, since the beginning of 2012, 85 shelling and 185 missiles were carried out. Five wounded. 61 missiles shot down by the missile defense system. In total, in the first year of operation (by April 2012), the system intercepted 93 missiles
During Operation Cloud Pillar in November 2012, the system intercepted 421 missiles fired into Israel from the Gaza Strip. The percentage of successfully intercepted targets is estimated at 85% "

[viktorR]

Overall great! But in this particular situation, the C grade, and then only because no one died, although the missiles fell on the NP.

[Army1]

Air force power, if you do not say so, it’s not only about Israel, it’s necessary to quickly launch the production of large batches of military aircraft for our air forces

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Stiletto

Judging by the number of successful interceptions, the Israeli "Iron Dome" turned out to be not so iron.

This is an indicator of the club-handedness of those who shoot missiles at Israel, 3 interceptions indicate that only 3 missiles needed to be intercepted, the "dome" ignores non-hazardous missiles. Spend an anti-missile system to save 3-4 sq.m. there is definitely no sense in sowing in the field, it is cheaper to pay a farmer $ 100-200 compensation.

Py.Sy. - although ... continue to omit our technique, you are a great source of misinformation for our enemies

[Leisure]

I completely agree with the opinion about the "club-handedness" of the launchers, and about the quality of what is being launched across Israel.

[psychologist]

when will they calm down then ?? !!! all my life alone busy! both those and those !!

[Salamander]

Never ... only if one belligerent is completely destroyed ...

[kocclissi]

That they (those and those) have a national sport ....

[predator.3]

Quote: psychologist

when will they calm down then ?? !!! all my life alone busy! both those and those !!

They have it already, like "hello!" or "Good morning neighbor!" if there is no missile and bomb exchange, consider the whole day ruined!

[andrei332809]

But here terrorists have settled in Kiev, and common people are screaming at the thought that they can be "bombed". but about the Jews, no one is indignant

[woron333444]

Jews defend their territory and do not look at the UN

[Rider]

Quote: woron333444

Jews defend their territory and do not look at the UN

which does not cancel the strongest Jewish lobby.

[kirieeleyson]

And for this they are a plus in fact. There would be such a Russian lobby in the same countries .. although we usually, like, silently point a finger at "Topol-M" if something happens. Also, hmm ... option. Not diplomatically, but straightforward and honest.

[TEODOR]

What bothers me more is that they don’t notice the Ukrainian Natsik, someone and the Jews were the first to scream all over the world. Looks profitable ....

[shalk]

Quote: TEODOR

What bothers me more is that they don’t notice the Ukrainian Natsik

Do not find it strange Israel’s intention to send its observers to a referendum in Crimea?

[TEODOR]

Quote: shalk

Do not find it strange Israel’s intention to send its observers to a referendum in Crimea?

If this is not all started, this is a sign that they recognize the right of Crimea to self-determination. Do not throw off the news link.

[shalk]

Quote: TEODOR

.Do not throw off the news link.

Reported on all Russia 24 news bulletins.

[TEODOR]

Quote: shalk

Quote: TEODOR

.Do not throw off the news link.

Reported on all Russia 24 news bulletins.

Thank you.

[Pimply]

“The Supreme Council of Crimea invited a group of 7 independent foreign observers from among Russian compatriots who are citizens of Belgium, France, Poland, Latvia, Israel,” Petrosov noted. “We will fly to Crimea on Friday.”

Observers are one or two people from Israel, moreover, as a private initiative, as I understand it

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Pimply

Observers are one or two people from Israel, moreover, as a private initiative, as I understand it

There is no problem, apply and watch.

[Pimply]

Quote: saturn.mmm

There is no problem, apply and watch.

And why is this, explain?

[woron333444]

Mean support and Crimea and Russia

[shalk]

Quote: woron333444

Mean support and Crimea and Russia

Crimean authorities constantly say that the world will be very surprised when it finds out who the Crimean Self-Defense Forces are made up of. The presence of Belarusians and Kazakhs in these forces, in the light of recent events, no longer looks incredible. How could we not really be surprised. A bold assumption, of course, but ...

[Pimply]

Quote: shalk

A bold assumption, of course, but ...

Unlikely

[shalk]

Quote: Pimply

Unlikely

Well ... as a private initiative.

[Pimply]

Quote: shalk

Well ... as a private initiative.

All Israeli PMCs have a tight connection with the MO. And if in private, then you can rattle for mercenary

[shalk]

Quote: Pimply

All Israeli PMCs have a tight connection with the MO.

Israel Defense Ministry has someone to protect. And there is from whom. And not only in the Crimea. And not only in Odessa. Joke.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: shalk

The presence of Belarusians and Kazakhs in these forces,

Belarusians only if close relatives live in Crimea (son, daughter, mother, father).
In general, I want to say that the revolution will take place along with all its components, ordinary people who have essentially the same roots, who live in the neighborhood will remain, I think that we have enough patience and wisdom so that we would not be ashamed later.

[shalk]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Belarusians only if close relatives live in Crimea (son, daughter, mother, father).

Be that as it may, A.G. yesterday he indicated his presence, pointing out to the "desperate" ready to rush through Poland to Ukraine at their "weaknesses."

[And Us Rat]

Quote: woron333444

Mean support and Crimea and Russia

Unofficially - yes, they support, only the lazy one does not know about this. The official position is neutrality, we can’t take any side - again we’ll be extreme

[woron333444]

There was a speech on YouTube by an Israeli intelligence officer, who said that the territory of Ukraine is the interests of Russia, but not NATO. The Israeli rabbi said that Russia was the first, as in the year 41, began to fight against fascism.

[Pimply]

Quote: woron333444

There was a speech on YouTube by an Israeli intelligence officer, who said that the territory of Ukraine is the interests of Russia, but not NATO.

Cedmi is not a scout. He headed the service - the state analogue of Sokhnut

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pimply

Quote: woron333444

There was a speech on YouTube by an Israeli intelligence officer, who said that the territory of Ukraine is the interests of Russia, but not NATO.

Cedmi is not a scout. He headed the service - the state analogue of Sokhnut

Scout. Brigadier General. Until 1990, Nativ worked illegally.

[Pimply]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Scout. Brigadier General. Until 1990, Nativ worked illegally.

Kedmi headed it since 1992, when it was no longer illegal. I don’t remember that he was a brigadier general. He finished "Mihlala le-bitakhon leumi" - yes. But mostly he was mainly a career diplomat.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pimply

Kedmi headed it since 1992, when it was no longer illegal. I don’t remember that he was a brigadier general. He finished "Mihlala le-bitakhon leumi" - yes. But mostly he was mainly a career diplomat.

Since August 4, 1970 of the year voluntarily called up for military service in the Israel Defense Forces. He served in armored forces, graduated from an officer general school, then the military intelligence school was demobilized in June 1973.
He fought in the tank forces during the Doomsday War in the same carriage with the future Prime Minister Ehud Barak. He graduated from Tel Aviv University, then the College of National Security.
In the second half of 1977, at the suggestion of the head of the government, Menachem Begin, he began working in the intelligence agency Nativ, which was involved, in particular, with the illegal emigration of Jews from the countries of the Soviet bloc.

something like this. Everything else is a roof. I heard about the title once. But the source seems to be serious.

[Pimply]

The Wikipedia version is full of bugs. A native of the city of Moscow, born in 1947.
After graduating from high school, he entered the Moscow Institute of Transport Engineers. For about two years, he tried to leave the USSR for Israel, in connection with which he interrupted his studies at the university. In the same period, he began an independent study of Hebrew. In 1968 he turned to the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR with a request to deprive Soviet citizenship. His request was granted the following year, after which he repatriated to Israel. He continued his studies at the Haifa Technion (at the chemical faculty), and then at Tel Aviv University.
In addition, he graduated from the National Security College ("Mikhlala le-bithakhon leumi" - one of the most prestigious higher educational institutions in the country, whose graduates, as a rule, join the ranks of the special services and senior command personnel of the IDF). He served in the tank forces of the Israeli army, where he first became closely acquainted with the current Prime Minister E. Barak. Together with him, he took part in the Yom Kippur War of 1973.
For some time he worked in Sokhnut, in particular, he was the representative of the agency in Vienna. In addition, he held one of the leading positions in the "Russian department" of the Foreign Ministry.
In the first years of his life in Israel he took an active part in the activities of the right-wing Herut party. In 1978, on the recommendation of the leader of this party and the Prime Minister M. Begin, he joined Nativ.
In the period 1988-1990. He was an employee of the consular group of the Israeli Foreign Ministry at the Netherlands Embassy in Moscow. In 1992, M. Begin's successor - leader of the Likud party and head of government I. Shamir - appointed Kedmi to the post of head of Nativ.

Here is the dossier from Falkov. What is called "feel the difference". I know Mishin's meticulousness, his dossier is an order of magnitude more accurate than the wikipedia one.

[avg]

Quote: woron333444

There was a speech on YouTube by an Israeli intelligence officer, who said that the territory of Ukraine is the interests of Russia, but not NATO.

Unfortunately, in the same program they discussed the topic of "why in Israel they don't like Russia most of all."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cdNkkTSfys

[ReifA]

They wrote about 70
http://mignews.com/news/disasters/world/120314_190610_01368.html

[Siberian19]

Israel does not speak! Israel strikes!

[Salamander]

It strikes, but then it surely rings it around the world ...

I have a question in the picture: who else but the Jewish snipers thought of shooting from tripods?
Can I roll a chair? A beer with roach?

[uhu189]

Anna-news look, there the Syrians sit for hours in armchairs and graze through the holes in the walls of the militants, and the rifles on the coasters. The windows are high here - apparently they decided to use tripods. Not on hand, keep the rifle for hours ...

[ReifA]

Stationary point. If a shot is fired, there will be a change of position.

[shasherin_pavel]

Do not contradict yourself, please: if the point is stationary, but it takes a long time to remove the tripod, and they even have chips on the windowsill, apparently from impunity, or a fake frame in the rear.

[Pimply]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

Do not contradict yourself, please: if the point is stationary, but it takes a long time to remove the tripod, and they even have chips on the windowsill, apparently from impunity, or a fake frame in the rear.

http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/vtb275/media/20120819_124103.jpg.html

Here from here they will shoot for a long time, as you think?

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Salamander

I have a question in the picture: who else but the Jewish snipers thought of shooting from tripods?

A very good way. If you can stay in position for a long time.
And if the enemy is either burdock, or he has nothing to answer.
We would have instantly figured out where the firing point is. And they would have shunned around the house from something heavy (RPG, RPO Bumblebee, BTR, BMP, ZU-23, tank, self-propelled guns,), they would have called pro snipers to the edge.
Proven method, guaranteed.

[the polar]

Quote: Salamander

It strikes, but then it surely rings it around the world ...

I have a question in the picture: who else but the Jewish snipers thought of shooting from tripods?
Can I roll a chair? A beer with roach?

So they also have a "crooked gun" that you can shoot from around the corner.

[Pimply]

Quote: Polar

So they also have a "crooked gun" that you can shoot from around the corner.

Which was bought including by Russian special forces

[afdjhbn67]

staging. close to the windows

[kocclissi]

This is a shooting gallery close to reality))

[Ustian]

Quote: Salamander

It strikes, but then it surely rings it around the world ...

I have a question in the picture: who else but the Jewish snipers thought of shooting from tripods?
Can I roll a chair? A beer with roach?

This is fotoruzho!

[shasherin_pavel]

Americans use such tripods for shooting at gophers, in sports competitions. Only in Russia "civilization" has not yet reached the shooters. Also note that they shoot from "Mauser" converted for sport hunting. Real snipers don't carry M-16s with them. There is also no observer - a metrist, which is obligatory for professionals. Without wind speed instruments and a rangefinder, you can shoot in the city, but for the pros it is unacceptable.

[Pimply]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

Americans use such tripods for shooting at gophers, in sports competitions. Only in Russia "civilization" has not yet reached the shooters. Also note that they shoot from "Mauser" converted for sport hunting. Real snipers don't carry M-16s with them. There is also no observer - a metrist, which is obligatory for professionals. Without wind speed instruments and a rangefinder, you can shoot in the city, but for the pros it is unacceptable.

What nonsense are you talking about. The sniper - it is the sniper, not the Marxman, the assault rifle - a personal weapon in addition to the sniper. This is the standard. Here you are also looking at one photo and determine the lack of a metrist in a spark. To go nuts.

[Dezzed]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

Without instruments, wind speeds and rangefinder can be shot in the city, but for the pros it is unacceptable.

Respect, take a look at the photo.
distance to neighboring houses no more than 50 meters. what are the long-range meters? what is the wind speed?
at such a distance, even the first-day course of the young fighters would have put anyone.

Are you a sniper or something?

[Pimply]

I do not want to upset you, but shooting from tripods in a sniper is a common thing. Including in Russia

[Slevinst]

well, so much talk about such a beautiful iron dome

[andrei332809]

Quote: Slevinst

and so much talk about such a beautiful iron dome

well rusted, with whom it does not happen

[evgenii67]

For those who expressed themselves negatively about the "Iron Dome" I gave you a minus, sorry just why spend expensive rockets on something that does not fly on their heads, but "at least eight - within populated areas. Three missiles were intercepted by the Iron Dome batteries." those. Roughly speaking, more than 25% of conditionally dangerous missiles were intercepted, and given that "The shelling was done without casualties and destruction", then it is possible to give an estimate close to 100%, perhaps it is these 3 missiles that were intercepted and posed a real threat. Ps I'm not a Jew and not a fan of Israel. It is simply incandescent to talk about something arrogantly, or poorly not owning the full picture ...

[viktorR]

20% is not 100%, as Prokhfessor stated. And the fact that the missiles that fell into the NP did not kill anyone is pure coincidence. Or do you think the LCD monitors the position of all people in the NP and from this calculates to shoot down the rocket or not?)))

[evgenii67]

Quote: viktorR

no one was killed, pure coincidence

what do you not add: "The bombardment was done without casualties and destruction" what peace-loving rockets. Dear Victor, there probably are such sections in the NP where there is a chance that someone will turn out to be scanty, well, even God be with that, let the LCD recapture in 75% (8 missiles), and we have something, not so, but is there anything similar in the world that can bring down self-made rockets ?!

[viktorR]

Nuka nuka, more about places in the NP where there are no people)? Somewhere I claimed that the LCD is bad? I just stated its effectiveness. But why are you trying in every possible way to unscrew this as an achievement, this is not at all clear ...

Quote: evgenii67

The world has something like that that can bring down self-made rockets ?!

even an old shilka knocks down a mortar mine, and it’s cheaper than an LCD) (an example as a joke). The question is not what no one has, the question is what only Israel needs.

[evgenii67]

Quote: viktorR

Nuka Nuka, more about places in the NP where there are no people)

Victor, I beg you !!! I don’t know how in Israel, but in Russia it can be: abandoned warehouses; forest in urban areas; houses that are being prepared for demolition, or buildings and structures under construction; closed areas, landfills within the boundaries of the NP; after all, ordinary corn ... field (yes yes it happens that this can be within the boundaries of the NP)

[Professor]

Quote: viktorR

20% is not 100%, as Prokhfessor stated.

Young man, keep your fantasies with you. In general, distorting nicknames and blatantly lying is not good.

[viktorR]

Dear professor (so as not to distort the nickname I am writing with a small letter), these are not my fantasies, but somewhat exaggerated (maybe even distorted somewhere, I confess, by the way, that you also sin, and more than mine) the quintessence of your statements on this topic. And to be offended by the nickname, mine is not serious, all the same, this is not a name, but a nickname.

Well, and about the central park, comments below, people do not walk on it? Or is the LCD so smart that it determines whether people are there or not? Imagine that a projectile flies to the central park and they can intercept it, can it really be intercepted? About the industrial zone in general, pearl ... I can imagine how a missile from the BM-21 flies into the chemical plant at night ... Wash is not your most clever idea.

[Professor]

Quote: viktorR

the quintessence of your comments on this topic

The real figures on the effectiveness of the LCD have already been laid out and, of course, there is no question of 100%.

Quote: viktorR

Well, and about the central park, comments below, people do not walk on it?

You are completely off topic. During the air raid (sirens, SMS, etc.), only stray dogs walk in the park.

Quote: viktorR

Imagine that a projectile flies to the central park and they can intercept it, can it really be intercepted?

No, they won't intercept. Not necessary. For example, if a rocket is sent to the beach in Ashkelon, then no one will intercept it and then a message will come: "fell in the village."

Quote: viktorR

About the industrial zone in general, pearl ... I can imagine how a missile from a BM-21 flies into a chemical plant at night ...

In addition to chemical plants (there are only a few such in Israel), the industrial zone is full of high-tech enterprises where, apart from computers, there is nobody and nothing at night.

Quote: viktorR

Wash is not your most clever idea.

This thought belongs to the creator of the LCD and was also voiced by the leadership of the Tsakhal. They know better.

[Professor]

These "settlements" were given to you. Central Park is located in the heart of New York City downtown Manhattan. If a rocket flies there, intercept it too?
Here is "my" article on the LCD dated September 6, 2011: To make a decision, it was necessary to define a "defended territory" (footprint) - places that are considered strategic, and where a missile can cause significant damage. For example, important infrastructure, the damage of which could lead to a significant reduction in Israel's defenses. The definition of "defended territory" may vary depending on the situation. For example, an industrial zone can be included in a "defended area" only during the day to protect workers in the industrial area, while a hospital will be considered a "defended territory" at any time.

"Iron Dome": knowledge, and most importantly experience

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: andrei332809

well rusted, with whom it does not happen

The article is written
According to the Israeli military, 42 missiles fell in the south of the country, including at least eight within the settlements. Three missiles were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense batteries. The shelling cost no casualties or destructionRIA Novosti reports.

[siberalt]

I wonder how the "dome" will save you from shelling?

[ReifA]

The bombardment of positions where funds are deployed for this action will save from artillery bombardment. Given the size of Gaza and the number of drones in Israel, it is logical to assume that shelling from there is impossible in principle.

[Dezzed]

Quote: siberalt

I wonder how the "dome" will save you from shelling?

The question is right!

Add: How the iron dome will save from raids by wild monkeys and tautonian tribes! ???

[Zapasnoy]

I would not be surprised that the cost of the used anti-missiles exceeded the cost of missiles launched from the territory of Gaza. Although human lives are worth it.
By the way, for objectivity, you need to calculate the percentage of intercepted and non-intercepted missiles not from the total number of launched missiles (42), but from those that have fallen in the area of ​​settlements (8), since the radar of the installation calculates the path and does not issue a command for interception if, according to calculations, the rocket falls into an uninhabited area.

[Pimply]

Quote: Zapasnoy

I would not be surprised that the cost of the used anti-missiles exceeded the cost of missiles launched from the territory of Gaza. Although human lives are worth it.
By the way, for objectivity, you need to calculate the percentage of intercepted and non-intercepted missiles not from the total number of launched missiles (42), but from those that have fallen in the area of ​​settlements (8), since the radar of the installation calculates the path and does not issue a command for interception if, according to calculations, the rocket falls into an uninhabited area.

Bullet-proof vest is several thousand times more expensive than a bullet. Should I refuse bulletproof vest?

The cost of a volley of LCDs has now dropped to several thousand dollars, as opposed to 50000 in the late 2000s

[evgenii67]

Quote: Pimply

Bullet-proof vest is several thousand times more expensive than a bullet. Should I refuse bulletproof vest?

You are absolutely right, but I will add a little, not more expensive than the weapon from which the same bullet was fired, and I mean that who was shot must be saved by the "bulletproof vest", and who must have shot must lose the "machine gun"

[Pimply]

Quote: evgenii67

You are absolutely right, but I will add a little, not more expensive than the weapon from which the same bullet was fired, and I mean that who was shot must be saved by the "bulletproof vest", and who must have shot must lose the "machine gun"

When how when

[Professor]

Quote: Pimply

Bullet-proof vest is several thousand times more expensive than a bullet. Should I refuse bulletproof vest?

Eugene, this is my comparison. Infringe copyright.

[Pimply]

Quote: professor

Eugene, this is my comparison. Infringe copyright.

I repent 8)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: professor

Quote: Pimply

Bullet-proof vest is several thousand times more expensive than a bullet. Should I refuse bulletproof vest?

Eugene, this is my comparison. Infringe copyright.

"We have violated, we are violating, and we will violate" ©

[Vtel]

This is the cycle of "Islamic jihad" in the world and it is fueled by those who suffer from it in the ent "volcanic" place, but the same of them with the stars and stripes do not suffer. The paradox, however!

[mitya24]

[quote = sibiryak19] israel does not speak! Israel strikes! [/ quo
But how else should the state react when some frostbites bomb it? It is the Jews who are too aloof with them.

[787nkx]

Something the reaction of the "world community" is not heard.

[Bravo]

Yes, they are now not up to Israel and Palestine, here the Crimea from Bandera is taken away

[shalk]

Quote: bravo

here Crimea is taken from Bandera

Let's hope not only Crimea.

[uhu189]

I don’t understand, it’s like they were sitting in Gaza relatively quietly - and here you have so many missiles and all in one day. And what is most remarkable - all by. Why is there such an aggravation? And does it make sense to provoke Israeli strikes, which in turn will not beat? Maybe I don’t understand their logic because I’m not an Arab, who knows ... Because of the death of the 3 fighters, 23 will also die - what's the catch?

[zanoza]

Quote: uhu189

what's the catch?

As you yourself have noticed: you are not an Arab ....

[ReifA]

Distraction of the public from the drain by Amer of their positions in Ukraine?

[Tourist Breakfast]

I don’t understand, it’s like they were sitting in Gaza relatively quietly - and here you have so many missiles and all in one day. And what is most remarkable - all by. Why is there such an aggravation? And does it make sense to provoke Israeli strikes, which in turn will not beat? Maybe I don’t understand their logic because I’m not an Arab, who knows ... Because of the death of the 3 fighters, 23 will also die - what's the catch?

They did not sit quietly. Every day, one or two missiles were shot. It’s just that ours covered the missile crew’s link during the next launch, so they got excited. Video:

[uhu189]

And why was this shooting from a drone?

[Pimply]

Quote: uhu189

I don’t understand, it’s like they were sitting in Gaza relatively quietly - and here you have so many missiles and all in one day. And what is most remarkable - all by. Why is there such an aggravation? And does it make sense to provoke Israeli strikes, which in turn will not beat? Maybe I don’t understand their logic because I’m not an Arab, who knows ... Because of the death of the 3 fighters, 23 will also die - what's the catch?

There is an established industry of terror. Ideology plus money. Islamic jihad, in addition, is directly sponsored by Iran and is in balance with Hamas. And regularly shelling positions its independence

[made13]

A steep exchange - 3 militants against 29 sorties + missiles ... It’s somehow expensive ... Probably our Ukrainian sawmills, entrenched in the IDF, sold ammunition and fuel, and wrote off it for airstrikes ...

[Pimply]

It's easier to wave your hand. Army and security in general are not cheap

[Capyar 48315]

According to the Israeli military, 42 missiles fell in the south of the country, including at least eight within the settlements. Three missiles were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense batteries. The shelling cost no casualties or destruction, RIA Novosti reports.

Efficiency is low so far .. low .. And taking into account the technological level of goals, then generally nothing

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised to respond “with all his might” to the truce violation, and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called on the local television to “re-occupy” the Gaza Strip, from where the Israelis left 2005.

But when will this stale deja vu end already?
On the question of international law - the war is already sixty years old, tens of thousands of victims, and the warring parties are not outcasts of civilized humanity

[And Us Rat]

Quote: KapYar 48315

... and the warring parties are not outcasts of civilized humanity

Yeah, especially these are not outcasts at all ... generally an example of civilization and humanism ...

[rugor]

Quote: made13

A steep exchange - 3 militants against 29 sorties + missiles ... It’s somehow expensive ... Probably our Ukrainian sawmills, entrenched in the IDF, sold ammunition and fuel, and wrote off it for airstrikes ...

It seems that the issue price is not the main thing for them. There is a collision - get snot. The strategy is simple.

[maksim]

it is probably profitable to shoot down $ 100 Palestinian missiles with expensive "iron domes" and then raise aircraft and look for terrorists in the desert and talk about defending their lands

[Pimply]

Quote: maksim

it is probably profitable to shoot down $ 100 Palestinian missiles with expensive "iron domes" and then raise aircraft and look for terrorists in the desert and talk about defending their lands

Those that fly now have long been no longer a hundred bucks, but those that shoot down are not tens of thousands (the cost has dropped to several thousand per rocket)

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Pimply

Those that fly now have long been no longer a hundred bucks, but those that shoot down are not tens of thousands (the cost has dropped to several thousand per rocket)

I would also recall the safety of citizens, how and how much to evaluate it.

[Pimply]

Exactly

Quote: saturn.mmm

I would also recall the safety of citizens, how and how much to evaluate it.

[31231]

No way Qatar or the Saudis paid another wave of kipish. Looks like they want to remind Israel of their problems. And that he would be less loyal in relation to Russia in the Crimea.

[Pimply]

Islamic Jihad - Under the Protectorate of Iran

[Partizan]

Quote: shalk

Quote: bravo

here Crimea is taken from Bandera

Let's hope not only Crimea.

No, apparently only Crimea. The rest (southeastern part of the former Ukraine) is left to banderlogs, judging by the news.

[shalk]

Quote: Partizan

The rest (southeastern part of the former Ukraine) is left to banderlogs, judging by the news.

One should not read the news, but official statements from the White House or the Kremlin, and peer into their concrete actions.

[Partizan]

What should I read, I decide for myself, but for every official type of "statement" from the White House I want to defuse a couple of missile silos in his direction, and statements from the Kremlin ....? no, have not heard.

[shalk]

Quote: Partizan

and statements from the Kremlin ....? no, have not heard.

So, while there is no reason to lose heart about the surrender of Ukraine.

[Partizan]

It would be nice if so, but what about the news of the mass arrests of activists of the pro-Russian movement in eastern Ukraine?

[shalk]

Quote: Partizan-en

It would be nice if so, but what about the news of the mass arrests of activists of the pro-Russian movement in eastern Ukraine?

Superfluous motivation for the liberation of Ukraine from the "inadequate" in Kiev.

[Pimply]

Quote: shalk

One should not read the news, but official statements from the White House or the Kremlin, and peer into their concrete actions.

From them, too, not everything can be understood.

[shalk]

Quote: Pimply

From them, too, not everything can be understood.

That is why there is no reason for pessimism in the South-East of Ukraine.

[Andrey Ulyanovsky]

Soon (in May, like) the elections and Bibika will precede. Sharansky will replace the assessment, so sho Bibik and began to intercept ships and bullet in the Arabs. The people there are simple and can easily even begin the evacuation of Jews in Odessa.

[Pimply]

Quote: Andrey Ulyanovsky

Soon (in May, like) the elections and Bibika will precede. Sharansky will replace the assessment, so sho Bibik and began to intercept ships and bullet in the Arabs. The people there are simple and can easily even begin the evacuation of Jews in Odessa.

Tell me, where did you get such wild ideas about Israeli politics? Sharansky MAY BE promoted to the presidency of Israel, a ceremonial position. Israeli elections were relatively recent, and not yet expected

[Andrey Ulyanovsky]

ITON-TV. I listened in half - I was interested in Kedmi mainly, then I was mistaken.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The iron beam and the iron dome were not iron .. They solved it in the old proven way with airstrikes ...

[alone]

The iron dome of the missile defense is a defense weapon. It cannot answer. But the LCD has a very effective radar that not only detects the missile, but also gives the coordinates of the launchers. Immediately, the aircraft rises and hits the already known coordinates. A very good radar .Green Pine called.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: lonely

The iron dome of the missile defense is a defense weapon. It cannot answer. But the LCD has a very effective radar that not only detects the missile, but also gives the coordinates of the launchers. Immediately, the aircraft rises and hits the already known coordinates. A very good radar .Green Pine called.

Small correction, EL / M-2080 Green pine Block-B is used in the "Arrow" system.


The standard dome radar is EL / M-2084.


But yes, they can be united into a single network, in the case of repelling a multi-level attack.
Both radars were created using AFAR technology.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And the iron beam ..? (The article was ..) Just if Israel is fired with 130 missiles (stupid of course ..) Well, the answer is airstrikes and what ...? Soon, Arabs from outer space will start shelling Israel .. (and then launch rockets from Mars) And Israel is worth it! But it’s impossible to agree somehow ..? It's funny to watch all this .. Arab-Israeli love is just some sort of)))

[And Us Rat]

Quote: MIKHAN

But it’s impossible to agree somehow ..?

This is a question for the main puppeteer and sponsor of anti-Israeli terrorism - Iran.
(even the fanatical Sunite regime of Saudi reconciled with Israel, and Shiite Iran is not interested)

Iran: we will never recognize Israel.
Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi, who is on an official visit to Tunisia, said that Iran is fully prepared to resist any threat and repel any attack. He added that he stressed that Iran would never recognize the Israeli regime.

Interview with the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the Russian Federation, Mr. Reza Sajjadi:
The main reason for the US attacks on us is the clear position of Iran, which does not accept the Zionist regime in any form.

Nabil Shaat, a member of the negotiating delegation of the Palestinian Authority, said today at a press conference in Ramallah that the Palestinian Authority will never recognize Israel.

Summarize:

Over the past nearly three decades, the confrontation between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the State of Israel has consistently become more and more violent. This is based on the concept of the Islamic revolution, after the victory of which in February 1979, the regime of an Islamic republic was established in Iran. Having proclaimed the idea of ​​exporting the Islamic revolution as a fundamental one, at the first stage - to the vastness of the Middle East region, the Iranian clerical leadership naturally began to view Israel, which lies at the heart of the Islamic world, as the most important obstacle on this path. The founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, defined the task of combating it as "the liberation of Jerusalem," at the same time Khomeini positioned Iran as the leader of Islam and the entire Islamic world.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

"The Israeli Air Force attacked 29 terrorist sites in the Gaza Strip in response to a powerful rocket attack from the Islamic Jihad," wrote Gendelman in a microblog on Twitter. Two more targets in the Gaza Strip were shot at earlier.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised to "with all his might" respond to the violation of the ceasefire, and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called on local television to "re-occupy" the Gaza Strip, from where the Israelis left in 2005. "
Rather than argue about the merits and demerits of the "iron dome", pay attention to the fact that Israel NEVER lets down its offenders and responds with a blow much more powerful, regardless of the fact that someone will blame them for the disproportionate use of force. We have long had to take as a model both this practice and the practice of Israel's special services to find and destroy our enemies, wherever they are.

[Revolver]

Well, the Jews were beaten too long (especially the last couple of thousand years) and it hurt. So they learned 2 simple truths.
1. If you yourself do not care about your protection, no one else will care.
2. You need to respond to a blow with a blow, but rather with a few.
So, for some time now, the Arabs, when they get horny, rake "for themselves and for that guy", including what was deservedly due to Hitler. However, the Arabs are not so innocent sheep, including in the story with Hitler. The photo shows the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini in a very remarkable company.

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Yes, by the way, the maiden name of the mother of a certain Yasser Arafat is also al-Husseini. What is called an apple from an apple tree.

[Lone gunman]

The iron dome is certainly good, but in Israel there are 0 injured, the gas sector is probably not 0 injured, although they themselves are to blame ... in principle, I am for peace - Israel also needs peace for the Palestinians, but there’s one problem ... territory, to Moses and Egypt where did you live? There is only one way out or you recognize all Palestinians as Jews or Palestinians recognize yourself as Jews, you are one people ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Lone gunman

One way out or you recognize all Palestinians as Jews or Palestinians recognize themselves as Jews, you are one people ..

They were never one people. Jews descended from Isaac, the son of Abram and his lawful wife Sarah. And the Arabs, if they are to be believed, descended from Ishmael. Also the son of allegedly Abram, but illegitimate, from a servant. There was in the old days such a legal term "illegitimate" - so this is about such. It is not for nothing that Jewishness is passed down through the mother, because who else besides Abram had this servant, history is silent about that, and then they did not know how to do DNA analysis.

[Lone gunman]

Yes, you laugh, there is only one sperm, that means that there is only one people, do you think Sarah had only Abram? ETOGES dark ages, how can you say ??? Take the DNA of two peoples, they are all brothers ...

[Karabin]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised "with all his might" to respond to a ceasefire violation, while Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on local television called for "re-occupation" of the Gaza Strip

And note, no lamentation about the violated norms of law, no whining, no excuses, no complaints about the hostile backstage. Stupid - get it.

[Pimply]

Quote: Karabin

And note, no lamentation about the violated norms of law, no whining, no excuses, no complaints about the hostile backstage.

You are mistaken

[Krogan_Urdnot]

Reminded of a joke: This morning, Arab teenagers stoned an army jeep ... 20 terrorists were killed by the return fire of the Tsahal ... If only they would calm down, otherwise it’s not a desire to go to a showdown in Gaza (

[uhu189]

Duc, and the good of such campaigns - will subside for half a year, then again attacks on patrols, shelling, etc. will begin. There is a lot of gas, a lot is needed for the occupation of troops ... Maybe it makes sense for Israel to try to start a dialogue with Iran, since there is no more power in Ahmadinijat? You look and the shelling will stop ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: uhu189

Duc, and the good of such campaigns - will subside for half a year, then again attacks on patrols, shelling, etc. will begin. There is a lot of gas, a lot is needed for the occupation of troops ... Maybe it makes sense for Israel to try to start a dialogue with Iran, since there is no more power in Ahmadinijat? You look and the shelling will stop ...

Hinted a couple of times, Iran doesn’t want to speak with us, they want us to die - everything, from small to large.
Of course it sounds absurd, wild and surrealistic ... but this is a sad fact, and it makes no sense to argue against the facts.

[Pimply]

Quote: uhu189

Duc, and the good of such campaigns - will subside for half a year, then again attacks on patrols, shelling, etc. will begin. There is a lot of gas, a lot is needed for the occupation of troops ... Maybe it makes sense for Israel to try to start a dialogue with Iran, since there is no more power in Ahmadinijat? You look and the shelling will stop ...

a) Ahmadinajad - a person of secondary importance. All management is carried out by Khomeini. It's like Putin and Medvedev, de facto.
b) Iran clearly and consistently opposes the establishment of any relations with Israel. You do not know?

[uhu189]

Well, now is not the 80 years, when the ayatollah was a god, the generation still changed, and judging by the actions of Iran, there are still shifts. And Iran also clearly opposed the establishment of relations with the United States, and nevertheless, the dialogue began. Everything changes ... In the light of the confrontation with Saudi Arabia, maybe their position will change. It is unlikely that Iran needs a war now, they have other tasks

[Pimply]

Quote: uhu189

And Iran also clearly opposed the establishment of relations with the United States, and nevertheless, the dialogue began.

The dialogue began because they shut off oxygen. And it all the same began on the terms of Iran

[Lvovich]

And what’s interesting is that no European mongrel blathers about bloodthirsty Jews. Probably the firmware of the blather is wrong.

[Pimply]

Quote: Lvovich

And what’s interesting is that no European mongrel blathers about bloodthirsty Jews. Probably the firmware of the blather is wrong.

Are you kidding me? Blather and constantly. Boycotts organize against the evil Israeli military, demonstrations and so on. Do not live illusions.