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Kiev junta just do not need such a big Ukraine

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Kiev junta just do not need such a big UkraineCould the Kiev junta become a legitimate Ukrainian government throughout the republic within the boundaries of 2013 of the year? Easy. For this it was necessary:


1. To recognize Russian as the second state language. Instead, the Kolesnichenko-Kivalov compromise law, which guaranteed Russian rights to certain rights according to the European Charter on National Minorities, was abolished first. Then, waiting for the indignant reaction of citizens, the junta added fuel to the fire. Multiple claims have been made that repealing the law so far is not timely. It was constantly emphasized that the complexity of the moment forced a new power to temporarily postpone the resolution of the language issue. To top it off, it was announced that a commission would be created to develop a new language law. One of the members of the commission was Irina Fahrion - a deputy of the Ukrainian parliament and part-time reference Russophobe. This is so that no one even has an illusion about the sincere intentions of Kiev.

2. Allow all issues to be resolved (except for secession from Ukraine) in regional referendums. That is, to meet the people's rallies in Lugansk, Kharkov, Donetsk and Odessa. To transfer their energy from protest actions to a completely peaceful collection of signatures. Instead, the Kiev junta began to conduct counter-counts calling for the inadmissibility of any revision of relations between the center and the regions. Naturally, such actions should lead to the fact that the South-East will no longer consider itself Ukraine. This has not yet fully occurred, but the effective actions of the junta in the collapse of the country suggest what might happen in the coming weeks.

3. Initiate the reform of local self-government, transfer to the regional level a significant part of budgetary and managerial powers, take a course on federalization. That is, to shift part of the responsibility for the incipient economic collapse to the regions and local authorities. Instead, Kiev suppresses attempts at self-organization (the arrest of Pavel Gubarev, the arrest of Arsen Klinchaev), appoints the extremely unpopular oligarchs among the people to the governor’s posts. And it is in the South-East. Nobody offers, for example, Igor Kolomoisky as the governor of Ivano-Frankivsk region (in which he also has many assets). No, it is needed precisely in Dnepropetrovsk - exactly where the conflict is deliberately provoked.

4. To solve the Crimean question by negotiation (not to mention the fact that the crisis arose precisely because the junta purposefully undermined the country - see pp. 1 – 3). Instead, some kind of counter-terrorist operation is being prepared, the consequences of which will certainly close Ukraine to any hopes of the existence of the state, plunging the republic into chaos.

5. Take control of the country. Instead, Yulia Tymoshenko went to Germany for treatment (German doctors note that her Ukrainian colleagues could easily cope with her Ukrainian colleagues, but the former prisoner apparently does not stay at home), Arseniy Yatsenyuk consults in the US, Vitali Klitschko travels without authority in Ukraine. Who controls Ukraine? Pastor Turchinov does not control, "Right Sector" also does not control. In fact, no one controls. The rioters laid a bomb and, knowing full well that they were going to jerk soon, they themselves fled in different directions.

6. Transfer the civil conflict from the hot stage to the cold one. For this there is such a technology as elections. However, no one is preparing for the elections. Ukrainian TV (obviously, not without the sanction of the owners of the national media) is already waging war with might and main - as long as imaginary. But with such perseverance that it can become real.

So, again, the Kiev junta could do, wish it to become the legitimate government of Ukraine within the boundaries of 2013. They do exactly the opposite. Therefore, neither recognition throughout Ukraine, nor the 2013 border of the year is an end in itself for them. Judging by the persistent desire to be somewhere far away from Ukraine and the responsibility for what is happening in the country, first of all they are interested in the issue of personal security.

If we talk about far-reaching plans (in the conditions of accelerated scrolling of events - this is somewhere in the 2014 year perspective), then the goal of the new government is to legitimize in the territory of the western and central part of Ukraine. Including, of course, Kiev. The future will show if there is any flaw in this strategy.
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  1. Roman Skomorokhov
    Roman Skomorokhov 13 March 2014 23: 09
    +28
    It made me think. Indeed, somehow it’s not so. Either the plan was bad, or something else.

    I think "what else" is the right sector. Yarosh and his associates, who imposed just such a style of behavior, absolutely stupid from the point of view of a reasonable person, but quite logical from the point of view of a Bandera and a fascist.
    1. moremansf
      moremansf 13 March 2014 23: 11
      +13
      I absolutely agree, because such a scenario does not lend itself to the assessment of a sane person !!!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 March 2014 23: 30
        +18
        Quote: moremansf
        such a scenario cannot be assessed by a sane person !!!

        They came out too early !!! They took advantage of Yanukovych's blunder, who did not bother to explain, to disseminate in the media in detail the conditions for signing the association with the EU! We tried to lead the protest, which was originally EUROmaidan !!! Then the Euro somehow quietly faded away, the only thing left was "Get the gang!"
        They didn’t have enough endurance, but it is clear that the EU MUCH had to sign this association BEFORE its re-election! Also pushed to act! As a result, we got what we did not expect at all!
        1. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 13 March 2014 23: 36
          +7
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: moremansf
          such a scenario cannot be assessed by a sane person !!!

          They performed too early !!!

          Hello Elena! Sooner or later, it doesn’t matter anymore, Russia has stirred up, even the Russian media has "come to life", there is no turning back! Everything will be OK! wink There will be no war, that's for sure, God forbid, hold a referendum without losses. And with your statements, I always agreed, I wish you health, and thank you !!!
        2. sds555
          sds555 14 March 2014 00: 56
          +13
          German television taunts Maidan
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 14 March 2014 01: 34
            +5
            Class! sorry not spree, but funny. It is seen that they are bullied.
          2. sds555
            sds555 14 March 2014 01: 39
            +7
            To understand it, you need to enable subtitles
          3. bugaev2005
            bugaev2005 14 March 2014 07: 27
            +4
            Please translate what they are talking about, so I want to listen ... But in general the class !!!
            1. inkass_98
              inkass_98 14 March 2014 10: 58
              +1
              Yeah, "Intourist speaks well. - What about? - Yes, the dog knows him!"
        3. Aljavad
          Aljavad 14 March 2014 01: 24
          +2
          I agree with you: different processes were superimposed and a certain "cumulative effect" was obtained, unexpected for the organizers themselves. The lower the assessment of the mental and business qualities of those organizers. The more sad is the result for the country.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 13 March 2014 23: 43
        +6
        Quote: moremansf
        I absolutely agree, because such a scenario does not lend itself to the assessment of a sane person !!!

        Yes, everything lends itself. The author simply gave examples of actions that an adequate government of popular consent would apply. What could be adequate if we are talking about a pack of agitated Nazis, bandits and Bandera, sniffing the poisonous smoke of old burning tires !!? Even before that, they did not shine with intellect, and now they are intoxicated with power, that’s their brown, foul-smelling essence and climbs from all their holes! Don't you see what kind of audience this is ??
    2. a52333
      a52333 13 March 2014 23: 20
      +7
      Off topic: I’m going from Voronezh to Saratov now, I’ll meet a convoy, in the dark I’m not very visible, something like a radar based on KAMAZ. Units 10. Roman, meet the column. yes
    3. fif21
      fif21 13 March 2014 23: 35
      +3
      Everything is so, everything is according to plan! Crimea is separating, a majority in the presidential election is ensured. During or after the election (suddenly a misfire), power passes to the right sector. Here is the alignment (minimum program)
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 13 March 2014 23: 46
        +2
        Quote: fif21
        During or after the election (suddenly a misfire), power passes to the right sector. Here is the alignment (minimum program)

        Hot nonsense in comparison with this, so to speak, program, looks much more believable. The bullshit is full.
        1. fif21
          fif21 13 March 2014 23: 56
          +1
          Wait and see)))
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    5. Cherdak
      Cherdak 14 March 2014 00: 04
      +5
      Quote: Banshee
      Either the plan was bad, or something else.

      "Makhnovism for degenerates"
      Dmitry Lekukh was not shy in expressions. There are "crazy cancan", "ministers-homosexuals", "a woman with a scythe in a wheelchair", "affectionate gnomes-burglars", "botanists-extremists" and so on.
      http://www.odnako.org/blogs/pozhaluysta-pust-oni-perestanut-voobrazhat-sebya-ukr
      ainskoy-elitoy /
    6. de klermon
      de klermon 14 March 2014 00: 17
      +12
      "Ukrainian power" (in quotation marks, because Ukrainians are a minority there (!), And this "collective" somehow does not dare to call its language without skepticism) in its current composition, it is indeed a group of suicides by prior agreement. Moreover, the economy is far from the first reason: NOBODY can predict the behavior of a bull terrier! Euromaidanuty guys! Remember that even chipmunks and guinea pigs have a sense of self-preservation! You don't see your gallows in Yarosh's eyes? Tyagnibok, you fascist bastard, should I remind you what Hitler did to all his "senior" comrades who "shot" him before? Yaytsenyuk, it's not obvious to you about whom the European demonstrators under your windows "... Jews for knives, for knives ..." shout? Or are you Jewish only on Saturdays? Klitschko, are you a masochist? On the Maidan - with a fire extinguisher, in the east - with eggs and apples, and then? Are you waiting for a brick? Although ... it is quite possible, tk. getting on the head is a habit developed over the years! Here ... And you say: personal security, abroad ... They are HOSTAGE! Decent "options" are kept by the West "in reserve"! Let the crisis, collapse, perhaps a partial disintegration devour these clowns, which no one needs now, and when all this brew boils away, the West will put up some savior (or savior), but for now ... There is only one problem for the West, as he said the leader of the left in the Bundestag (especially for Frau Merkel), the Nazis do not concede their achievements without blood! Guys, Democrats, are you going to drive them away with a newspaper on Putin's advice? Yarosh himself will not leave, and besides the Russians and Jews, he still has a whole list in line, you cannot do business with this ... However, again, "Although ..."
      And about integrity ... The only way for Yarosh and his gang to fight for the unity of Ukraine is to disarm and surrender to some tribunal, which is guaranteed to imprison them for a long time!
      Yes, here’s where only ... where you will find such a tribunal, and there’s no one to plant, not the suicide bombers, however, Yaytsenyuk and Avakov really! ..
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      2. builder
        builder 14 March 2014 00: 24
        +3
        Well done - rightly said. hi
    7. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 14 March 2014 03: 26
      +2
      they didn’t hope to win, they waited from day to day when they will sweep them away, and then put the power on the dish for them, but in the language of pi ... they don’t turn over bags, guys and the girl yearned for no money, no army, police destroyed, people rebel against them, the evil Putin horn rested, etc. .. cry cry!
    8. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 14 March 2014 07: 35
      0
      So, again, the Kiev junta could do, wish it to become the legitimate government of Ukraine within the boundaries of 2013. They do exactly the opposite. Therefore, neither recognition throughout Ukraine, nor the 2013 border of the year is an end in itself for them. Judging by the persistent desire to be somewhere far away from Ukraine and the responsibility for what is happening in the country, first of all they are interested in the issue of personal security.

      If we talk about far-reaching plans (in the conditions of accelerated scrolling of events - this is somewhere in the 2014 year perspective), then the goal of the new government is to legitimize in the territory of the western and central part of Ukraine. Including, of course, Kiev. The future will show if there is any flaw in this strategy.


      they want to chop off and grab more on the bones of the caviar of the Slavic people
      1. dropout
        dropout 14 March 2014 14: 53
        0
        KIEV MILITARY AS A PENALTY LEAD TO THE SLAUGHTER!

        We were approached by servicemen of one of the military units of Kiev with a request to help distribute the following appeal:

        "AS IT WAS KNOWN, THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES HAVE DECIDED TO SEND A TROOP OF VV IN THE CRIMEA! THIS IS NOT A DEZA AND NOT A FEYK! FULL CLOTHING, AMMUNITIES AND WEAPONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPORTED IN SOME PARTS OF VVUETCHY VOLUETVA VOLUETVA VOLUETVA 2. Out of military units! US is exposed on the front line while bandits and terrorists AS TRAVEL UNITS GO behind us! will again be shooting a provocation! THIS IS WAR! MARCH 14 PREPARING OUR DEPARTURE in full combat! citizens of the RUSSIAN, soldiers and Special Forces units! WE AS WE CAN TRY TO PREVENT WHAT THE FASCISTS PLAN TO DO WITH US ALL! PLEASE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THIS IS WRITTEN AND HELP AVOID BLOOD SPILLING! BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ENEMIES AND DO NOT HAPPEN AT YOU! BETRAYED EVERYTHING! WE ARE SIMPLE SOLDIERS NO MORE! KNOW WE ARE NOT AN ARMY IN WE ARE THE FINE OF THE RIGHT SECTOR! WE ARE READY TO DIE, BUT FOR WHAT AND FOR WHAT?WE HAVE! HF-VV.G. KIEV ".

        FRIENDS, REPOST, REPOST AND AGAIN REPOST !!! HOW IT'S PLANNED THE FIRST ON THE "OCCUPANTS" SHOULD GO YOUNG NOT SHOOTED GUYS 18 YEARS OLD (!) WHO DO NOT KNOW TO SHOOT. AND BEYOND THEM THE RIGHT SECTOR! THE AUTHORITIES SEND INTO ANYTHING INnocent boys for provocation and for the next slaughter! I APPEAL TO THE RESIDENTS OF CRIMEA! BE CAREFUL - THIS IS SERIOUS! I AM ADDRESSING TO FAMILIARS, FAMILIARIES, ALL Whose CHILDREN SERVE IN BB! HELP US, WE DO NOT WANT TO WAR WITH RUSSIA AND AGAINST OUR PEOPLE, DO NOT WANT TO DIE AS AN ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE, DON'T WANT TO BE A ROSE COIN
        SPECIAL SERVICES OF UKRAINE AND MILITARY RIGHT ORGANIZATIONS ARE PREPARING AN ATTACK ON UKRAINIAN MILITARY SERVERS USING A MODERN OR ... UZZHII RUSSIAN PRODUCTION!
        THE PROVOCATION IS PLANNED IN THE MORNING OF MARCH 15 ON THE LINE OF CONTACT OF THE ARC AND APU SELF-DEFENSE FORCES IN THE AREA OF Perekopsky isthmus.
        In addition, on the night of March 15-16, liquidation of the prominent leaders of the Crimean Tatar public speaking out against the accession of the ARC to the Russian Federation will be carried out. TO STRENGTHEN THE EFFECT, TOGETHER AND THEIR KILLS WILL BE KILLED TOGETHER WITH THEM, INCLUDING CHILDREN.
        FOR THE CARRYING OUT OF THESE ACTIONS THE Militants of the "RIGHT SECTOR" WILL BE ATTRACTED, IN CASE OF A POSSIBLE FAILURE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING TO UNINSTALLED CITIZENS.
        THE INFORMED SOURCE IN THE NEW POWER STRUCTURES IN KYIV ALSO REPORTS THAT ON THE MORNING OF MARCH 16 A MASSIVE E-MAIL BROADCAST AND SMS MESSAGES ON MINING VOTES FOR VOTING WILL BE PRODUCED.
        TO PREVENT BLOOD SPILLING, WE SHOULD REPORT THIS MESSAGE TO AS MUCH A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

        MAXIMUM REPOST !!!
    9. Albert1988
      Albert1988 14 March 2014 19: 37
      0
      Quote: Banshee
      It made me think. Indeed, somehow it’s not so. Either the plan was bad, or something else.

      I agree with you - it is not clear how it can be explained that the Maidan seized power began to act in exactly the opposite way to behave correctly in such a situation!
      Of course, I am not a supporter of any "conspiracy theories", but the actions of the junta very much resemble the scenario of the country's collapse, staged from abroad.
      Indeed, the West is killing two birds with one stone: if you divide the country, then the Russophobic West will go to NATO, which is easier to feed, and there is no hostile population there. On the other hand, Russia is being pushed to take decisive and forceful actions, now the world will definitely believe that the "red threat" has returned, otherwise after Ossetia they did not completely believe, and the West after the "partition" will hate m-grins even more trenchant ... ...
      These are, of course, only my fears, and I would like to believe that this will not come to this, and the current gang is also "gettin '" like Yanukovych ...
  2. Gato
    Gato 13 March 2014 23: 11
    +12
    Instead, a counterterrorism operation is being prepared

    We know these operations. laughing
    For example, the epic shooting of a pig at a bear (uncontrollable associations - Ukrainian air defense against Russian airborne forces, forgive me "berets"):
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 13 March 2014 23: 17
      +9
      Quote: Gato
      (uncontrolled associations - Ukrainian air defense against Russian airborne forces, "berets" forgive me):

      You have forgotten about another character of this cartoon - bees (the Russian Air Force) who will sting five dollars as soon as they turn on the radar, and will not catch flies with bread at all.
      1. Gato
        Gato 13 March 2014 23: 32
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        bees

        If you noticed, then in the upper right corner of the picture there is a slight hint of bees. laughing
        When the ratio of Ukrainian and Russian bees is 1: 100, the sad fate of the piglet becomes even more sad crying
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 13 March 2014 23: 36
          +1
          Quote: Gato
          the sad fate of the pig becomes even sadder


          Otozh! For nefig!
    2. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 13 March 2014 23: 48
      +3
      Quote: Gato
      Instead, a counterterrorism operation is being prepared

      We know these operations. laughing
      For example, the epic shooting of a pig at a bear (uncontrollable associations - Ukrainian air defense against Russian airborne forces, forgive me "berets"):

      Thank you, Sergey! Thanks for the positive! Everything to the point and to the point! laughing I am sincerely pleased when people joke about the case!
      1. Gato
        Gato 14 March 2014 00: 08
        +1
        Quote: Nikoha.2010
        people are joking about the case!

        hi
        You know, namesake, I don’t want jokes to turn into black humor.
    3. Hudo
      Hudo 14 March 2014 00: 26
      +8
      [img] http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/890/2540/original.jpg?w=60

      0 & h [/ img]
      Quote: Gato
      Ukrainian air defense
      1. Gato
        Gato 14 March 2014 00: 35
        +7
        Quote: Hudo
        Ukrainian air defense

        You know, Gleb, I don’t really share your esoteric optimism. lol
        If such "commanders" remain in power as they are now, then the air defense of Ukraine will look something like this:
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 14 March 2014 00: 40
          +2
          Sergey, long ago I came across the sight of infa that during the inglorious adventures of the Yankees in Vietnam, a 3,14ndosovsky plane was shot down over Laos territory. As far as the truth, I don’t know, but I read it.
          1. Gato
            Gato 14 March 2014 01: 04
            +4
            Quote: Hudo
            A 3,14ndosovsky plane was shot down by an arrow from an bow. As far as the truth, I don’t know, but I read it.

            Anecdote in context:
            “Comrade Private, here’s a brick for you — you must bring down an enemy plane!”
            - Comrade Lieutenant! But how?! Brick !? Plane!? belay
            “But you are a Komsomol member!”
            A private breaks a brick on his head into two halves.
            - Comrade Lieutenant! I will bring down TWO airplanes !!! fellow
            Gee-gee. Theoretically, you can shoot down an airplane with an arrow. If you accurately shoot her into a turbine or into the pilot’s eye, when he pops a biscuit out of a blister to admire the scenery.
            Let the anti-aircraft gunners correct me, but it seems to me that this is not worth building the air defense concept on request
        2. 3axap
          3axap 14 March 2014 06: 59
          +1
          If they remain in power, then soon, very soon there will be very modern air defense systems, EDS. hi
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    5. Bi_Murza
      Bi_Murza 14 March 2014 06: 41
      +2
      Comrades RUSSIA is not against UKRAINE and the Ukrainian people! RUSSIA against the Nazis seized power in UKRAINE drinks
  3. Rus2012
    Rus2012 13 March 2014 23: 14
    +3
    ...Yes! It doesn’t matter, Whatever you do, only - Be the boss ...
    By the way, anek on this subject is about recruits:
    Russian asks - where is the kitchen, xoxol de sergeant training
    1. Gato
      Gato 13 March 2014 23: 51
      +6
      Quote: Rus2012
      By the way, anek on this subject is about recruits:
      Russian asks - where is the kitchen, xoxol de sergeant training

      And what's wrong?
      Or few of the Ukrainians commanders came out (not only Soviet):
      The same Khmelnitsky, Krivonos, Bogun, Sirko, then the marshals of the times of the USSR
      Rokossovsky K.K. (born in V. Luki, considered himself a Ukrainian, not a Pole),
      Malinovsky R.Ya., Eremenko A.I., M_o_s_k_a_l_enko K.S. (bl .. filter!)
      I’m generally silent about the generals of later times.
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 14 March 2014 01: 07
        +2
        Velikiye Luki is the Pskovchka region, well, in no way does Ukraine pull, at most Belarus. However, it is necessary to double-check, well, yes, I was born in Warsaw, I wrote myself in the scrapbook after receiving the second "Hero" - according to the law, you need to put a bust in your homeland, and put it over the hill, albeit in the social. the camp is not ideologically correct.
        1. Gato
          Gato 14 March 2014 01: 37
          0
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          However, it is necessary to double-check, well, yes, I was born in Warsaw, I wrote myself in the scrapbook after receiving the second "Hero" - according to the law, you need to put a bust in your homeland, and put it over the hill, albeit in social services the camp is not ideologically correct.

          Konstantin Konstantinovich, without a doubt, an outstanding commander!
          But at the same time - he was still dark, especially in relation to his autobiography. You must admit that a Pole, joining the Russian army as a volunteer in August 1914, is something not peculiar to the Poles.
          I am fatally far from the theory that all the great people were Ukrainians, but there are certain conspiracy theological hints regarding KK Rokossovsky yes
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 14 March 2014 05: 04
          0
          After receiving the second "Hero", according to the law, you need to put a bust in your homeland, and put it over the hill, albeit in the social. the camp is not ideologically correct.


          He simply foresaw that monuments would be demolished there.
          1. zeleznijdorojnik
            zeleznijdorojnik 14 March 2014 08: 17
            +1
            Well, by that time, the Poles for 150 years (6 generations) were subjects of the Republic of Ingushetia, and not all Confederates and rebels at all, this time, secondly, I don’t see the point of dividing the Great Russian People according to merit into Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians — the same Malinovsky was born in Odessa -Who will say that this is a Ukrainian city?
  4. zeleznijdorojnik
    zeleznijdorojnik 13 March 2014 23: 14
    +7
    Knowing more or less Ukrainians, I doubt that the PS will gain a foothold in Chernihiv, Poltava, and in general the center and north of Ukraine. They would cut them into 3 regions-Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopol and kick in the ass in a geyropa, and the Russians living in their territory to be relocated to the place of PS activists from the rest of Ukraine, those in turn, the Northern Trans-Siberian understudy to build, need to be maintained Rocky directions in the North Polar theater.
  5. Arh
    Arh 13 March 2014 23: 15
    +7
    The Kiev junta does not need Ukraine at all, they need slaves! ! !
    1. Committee
      Committee 13 March 2014 23: 30
      +2
      Slaves need to be ruled. This must be at least able to.
      1. Arh
        Arh 14 March 2014 00: 08
        +1
        You saw this zombie crowd, there is no mind, lower level monkeys.
        1. f.lourens
          f.lourens 14 March 2014 00: 53
          +4
          I saw this crowd alive and it’s not monkeys, you don’t need to exalt them like that ... it’s bacteria rather even a virus .. (what is a virus? .. is it such a form of life? .. no is it such a form of death .. (paragraph 78) ) am
  6. 51064
    51064 13 March 2014 23: 16
    +7
    The potential of the first persons of the state of Ukraine in the 20th century was very weak, and now even more so - none. However, for the EU it may come down. Ukraine was not lucky, probably such a fate - to be the other side of the coin (((
  7. George N
    George N 13 March 2014 23: 16
    +20
    There is very little reasonable in the actions of the Ukrainian authorities since 1991. Ukrainians cannot "independently" govern the country, moving towards progress. All their "independence" comes down to the banal plundering of what was created during the Soviet era.
  8. voliador
    voliador 13 March 2014 23: 17
    +4
    Yes, they are just trying to finish and grab something that Yusch and Yanukov did not manage to shove into their pockets.
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  11. Committee
    Committee 13 March 2014 23: 29
    +3
    Here I thought, in the AK’s horn - 30 rounds, if single - enough for everyone - for a boxer, for a bunny - for everyone! The time will come.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 13 March 2014 23: 42
      +5
      Quote: Committee
      if single - enough for everyone


      From the Donbass.
      Yes, who would finally give it! How much can people at rallies wave flags to collect! I would provide a report document in the form of a dead fascist for each cartridge.
    2. fif21
      fif21 13 March 2014 23: 47
      +1
      Think again! From a vending machine for bunnies?))) Puppeteers oh how far, and it seems events are not developing according to their scenario.
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    4. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 14 March 2014 03: 57
      +2
      Quote: Committee
      Here I thought, in the AK’s horn - 30 rounds, if single - enough for everyone - for a boxer, for a bunny - for everyone! The time will come.

      But I think that Klitschko is better in point, with brick and preferably flat. So that the head does not stagger. am
    5. Igor39
      Igor39 14 March 2014 07: 13
      +2
      In the horn - ice cream, cartridges in the store.
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  13. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 13 March 2014 23: 39
    +8
    All the rulers of post-Soviet Ukraine were engaged in only one thing - they plundered the inheritance left to them from the Soviet Union. The richest republic earlier was practically in ruins - the remnants of production would soon stop as soon as Russia turned off gas or at least raised prices to the world level. Highly developed science - where is it? Huge military arsenals have been sold out. The Army has been brought to a complete decline. And with all this, the constant maneuvering between Russia and the West, who will give more. Active anti-Russian propaganda has led to an increase in nationalism. But what about Bandera - the hero of Ukraine. The current temporary workers are direct heirs to this destructive policy. Indeed - why should he lead. We must seize the moment, grab some more money and away. And for everyone to consider them political refugees, a conflict with Russia is needed and it does not matter that this will lead to the collapse of the country!
  14. Russ69
    Russ69 13 March 2014 23: 39
    +8
    Today in Donetsk, the maydanists were dispersed ...
  15. Russ69
    Russ69 14 March 2014 00: 01
    +8
    Well, the chronicle of events in Donetsk ...

    Chronicle from the special correspondent

    [18:10:27] At present, about 3000 patriots of Donbass - supporters of the Donbass People's Militia and People's Governor Pavel Gubarev - have gathered on Lenin Square. They are holding Russian flags and flags with Donbass symbols. The people are chanting: "Russia! Gubarev!" Their opponents - supporters of European integration, are 3 times less. These are mainly students and state employees, driven away with the help of administrative resources. Between the sides of the protesters there is a chain of police officers in full uniform.

    [18:28:47] People keep coming up. The cries of home-grown European integrators are drowned out by whistles and shouts "Shame! Shame! Shame!"

    [18:29:56] Extras for the rally for European integration organized by the oligarchs continue to be taken to Lenin Square on comfortable buses.

    [18:36:01] From the foot of the monument to Lenin came the cry: "Russia!" Soon all the rumble in the square was blocked by a loud and amicable call: "Russia! Russia! Russia!"

    [18:36:50] In the square, the protesters began to throw firecrackers at each other, the smoke of the square began. Police have not yet intervened in the situation.

    [19:42:37] The rally sponsored by Taruta completely breaks down. As a result of a 1,5-hour confrontation, supporters of European integration tried to hide in buses, on which they were brought to Lenin Square in an organized manner. However, so far all their attempts have been unsuccessful. The tires were flat on the buses, supporters of the People's Militia of Donbass blocked all approaches to them. The European integrators were pelted with eggs and firecrackers. The people are chanting: "Russia! Russia! Russia !!!"

    [20:10:09] The Donbass people's militia drove down to Kalmius the European integrators paid for by the oligarchs. The militias are bringing Bandera's people to their knees and making them ask for forgiveness for encroaching on the lands of Donbass. Supporters of the People's Militia are seizing fittings, nunchucks, and iron shields from "peaceful" European integrators, and one of them has an empty holster.

    [20:22:09] The Donbass People’s Militia has once again declared to the whole world its position on the issue of European integration and European values.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 14 March 2014 00: 13
      +5
      Today's photo from Donetsk.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 14 March 2014 00: 34
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        Today's photo from Donetsk.

        To that which lies, it is not sickly in the belly that has flown, it may grow wiser, but somehow it is doubtful ...
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 14 March 2014 00: 37
          +5
          Quote: Russ69
          Quote: Hudo
          Today's photo from Donetsk.

          To that which lies, it is not sickly in the belly that has flown, it may grow wiser, but somehow it is doubtful ...

          It seems that they are telling ukro-sludge-media (UNIAN) that he is dead - the earth is a stone to him to the Euro-fascist!
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 14 March 2014 00: 53
            +2
            Quote: Hudo
            It seems that they are telling ukro-sludge-media (UNIAN) that he is dead - the earth is a stone to him to the Euro-fascist!

            He worked out his 300 tanks, to the fullest ...
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 14 March 2014 00: 58
              +5
              Quote: Russ69
              He worked out his 300 tanks, to the fullest ...

              It seems that already two people to the Adolf Hitler in hell Zemans Donetsk residents lowered. On Sunday, our turn to Luhansk.
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 14 March 2014 00: 45
        +5
        Quote: Hudo
        Today's photo from Donetsk.

        Russian Donbass
        Information from the forefront. Today, riots in Donetsk provoked the Maydan. They launched a pepper firecracker in our associates. What our guys could not help but respond. The police could not hold the warm hearts of Donbass and they broke through their cordon. In principle, the police did not particularly interfere, she is with the people! Banderlog punished and made it clear who is the boss. They were put on their knees. Police took activists of the Maydaug to district offices. Our guys suffered during the fight, mainly because there were no decals. Among the banderlogs there are many wounded, perhaps there are three dead, according to unconfirmed information. After a search of the provocateurs, they found many traumatic weapons, pepper grenades, and mounts. Also, passports were seized, mainly Kiev registration and from the western regions. Three hundred US dollars were found in the passports, which makes it clear that this share was fully paid.
        1. Native grandfather
          Native grandfather 14 March 2014 04: 11
          +2
          Quote: Hudo
          Three hundred dollars were found in passports.

          What, is it right that each one in the passport had 300 green ones ?! !! Doubtful unanimity. They have nowhere else to save money? Wallet or pocket for the worst.
          Not infrequently, interesting news is overshadowed by some kind of blooper that causes distrust of both the article and the author.
          Although I have no doubt that the maydaunas in Donetsk stupidly came for grandmas, and with a full military arsenal of shit democracy.
          Donetsk respect. Continue in the same spirit. Crush them. But do not forget to protect each other. The junta is not asleep, damn it.
      3. Gato
        Gato 14 March 2014 02: 03
        +4
        Quote: Hudo
        Today's photo from Donetsk.

        And here is how the govnosites comment on the same photos by "neuparejani":
        Today's rally for the unity of the country in Donetsk ended in the death of a 22-year-old guy. The Donchanin died in an ambulance from a knife wound. Another 17 people turned to doctors for help.
        Recall that supporters of a united Ukraine came to a rally on Lenin Square today, and pro-Russian activists took a rally nearby. The protesters were held back by a police cordon. Soon, activists of pro-Russian organizations launched an attack on opponents - threw smoke bombs and eggs at them, staged brawls and smashed a police bus.
        The sabotage was prepared in advance, it was announced in groups of pro-Russian supporters in social networks.

        Feel the difference! am
    2. Gato
      Gato 14 March 2014 01: 47
      +2
      Quote: Russ69
      [20:22:09] The Donbass People’s Militia has once again declared to the whole world its position on the issue of European integration and European values.

      good
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 14 March 2014 02: 00
        +2
        Quote: Gato
        Quote: Russ69
        [20:22:09] The Donbass People’s Militia has once again declared to the whole world its position on the issue of European integration and European values.

        good


        If only the Sovereign in Moscow did not disappoint!
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 14 March 2014 02: 10
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          If only the Sovereign in Moscow did not disappoint!

          There will be a reason, it will not rust. Today, Crimean Tatar (I forgot his name) said that Ukraine did not legally withdraw from the USSR ... We draw conclusions ... smile
        2. Gato
          Gato 14 March 2014 02: 26
          +2
          Quote: Hudo
          Sovereign in Moscow

          You know, Gleb, I am somehow skeptical about all kinds of "sovereigns". They come and go, but the kinship of peoples will always remain. Yes, Russia is lucky with a strong and sane president. Ukraine does not have this - and is not expected in the near future. So much the worse for Ukraine.

          During the Warsaw uprising in 1944, one Pole wrote such sentimental lines:

          Where are your Tommies, English?
          Where are your "armor", m_o_s_k_a_l_i?

          So (in relation to the current situation): the first line characterizes the mood of the West of Ukraine, and the second - of the South-East. What else to say?
          1. Native grandfather
            Native grandfather 14 March 2014 04: 23
            0
            Quote: Gato
            During the Warsaw Uprising in 1944

            As far as I remember, then they started their rebellion prematurely. And without coordinating everything in our troops. At that moment, our squeezed another direction. And as a result of this event, it was necessary to abruptly transfer troops to Warsaw and take it by urgent assault. There were a lot of losses then.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 14 March 2014 06: 15
              0
              Quote: Native grandfather
              As far as I remember, then they started their rebellion prematurely.

              The Warsaw Uprising was instigated by the so-called "Polish government in exile" and the British special services with the aim of "imprisoning" in Warsaw OWN, pro-Western government to the arrival of Soviet troops ...

              Have you come? ... And we are already here fellow , and you will decide "questions" with us ...

              It wasn’t here ... The headquarters reacted on time, halted the advance of the troops and a government of Popular Unity of renewed Poland was created in Lublin.

              The troops received a respite so necessary (do not forget that more than 600000 of our soldiers were killed for the liberation of Poland), but the damned fascists crushed the uprising ...
              To Churchill's hysteria about this, Stalin reasonably remarked that the troops were exhausted and could not immediately go on the offensive ...
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 14 March 2014 06: 01
            +2
            Quote: Gato
            So much the worse for Ukraine.


            You don’t give yourself a report,How many worse...
            1. Gato
              Gato 14 March 2014 21: 24
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              You don’t give yourself a report, MUCH MUCH worse ...

              Here you can only quote the Roman sources: Ex Orient Lux
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    4. Corsair
      Corsair 14 March 2014 05: 58
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      [20:22:09] The Donbass People’s Militia has once again declared to the whole world its position on the issue of European integration and European values.


      The most complete video of what was happening in Donetsk from the available on the network ...

      [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_embedded & v = iNqcwSwnybU
      ]
  16. konvalval
    konvalval 14 March 2014 00: 04
    +1
    Yes, give up. Is it the mind of this junta. This is the first. Secondly, if their brains had thought of it, then who would have allowed them to. Do their owners really need it?
  17. alexng
    alexng 14 March 2014 00: 06
    0
    So, I repeat, the Kiev junta could have acted if it had wanted to become the legitimate government of Ukraine within the 2013 of the year. They do exactly the opposite.


    because maydauny. fool
  18. kelevra
    kelevra 14 March 2014 00: 07
    +4
    The usual thieves and bandits came to power, what is there to guess.
  19. siberalt
    siberalt 14 March 2014 00: 11
    +4
    Something this plan does not fit with reality. Everything is done just the opposite. Even if we assume that this plan will be launched, then there is no time for its implementation. Well, the people will calm down, grab the carrot offered to him. So, what is next? Take power guys? No, they need something else. Work out the loot and rob the non-stop. In the end, Ukraine is unnecessary to them. Here the main task is hidden - to push Russia and the West together with their foreheads. And keep the crumbling world order.
  20. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 March 2014 00: 23
    +5
    That is, simply Ukraine cease to be Ukraine. It is simply ridiculous to read people who still do not understand that the whole point of the existence of Ukraine in Russophobia.
  21. Russ69
    Russ69 14 March 2014 00: 32
    0
    One person in Donetsk died ...

    Press Service of the Donetsk Regional State Administration with reference to the Department of Health.
    “According to doctors at 21:13 on Thursday, March 10, as a result of clashes between participants in two rallies on Lenin Square in Donetsk, one person died. About XNUMX more people were delivered to medical institutions of the city. Data on the number of victims are being specified, ”the report said.
  22. Rescuer
    Rescuer 14 March 2014 00: 35
    +5
    Look with what flags the procession in Kiev walks. An interesting sermon at the end.

    Russia is alive and will live forever and ever. Amen, I am speaking to you.

    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 14 March 2014 02: 17
      +1
      Verily, Russia is alive! and God is with us!
      the granny with a portrait of Georgy Konstantinovich and the St. George ribbons of the participants are especially touched.
    2. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 14 March 2014 04: 32
      +1
      Quote: Lifeguard
      Look with what flags the procession in Kiev walks. An interesting sermon at the end.

      The goal of a man with a megaphone is not entirely clear. And why didn’t the father lead the procession?
  23. Ross
    Ross 14 March 2014 00: 36
    +2
    Quote: moremansf
    I absolutely agree, because such a scenario does not lend itself to the assessment of a sane person !!!

    Because in fact, the American ambassador rules everything! And Parubiy and the right sector. About the trio of puppets - and so everything is visible. Controlled chaos - therefore, direct logic is not visible.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 14 March 2014 02: 06
      +4
      Quote: Ross
      Because in fact, the American ambassador rules everything! And Parubiy and the right sector.

      Yesterday, the dismissed employee of the Security Service of Ukraine contacted the editors of the portal “I am Ukrainian”. Fearing for the life of his family, he refused to give his last name and introduced himself as Victor. He also refused to inform the structural unit in which he served, however, said that his area of ​​activity was related to the protection of national statehood.

      In an interview, Viktor said that at present the SBU is in complete chaos, a total check has begun on the trustworthiness of the special services. The head of the SBU, Valentin Nalyvaichenko, gave the corresponding order after a joint meeting with employees of the US residency of the US Embassy in Kiev. According to Viktor, such meetings are held in the offices of the SBU leadership almost daily. New protocols have been prepared for cooperation between the Security Service of Ukraine and NATO special services on the participation of "specialists" from the United States in the retraining of Ukrainian special services in the interests of the new government.

      Victor was one of the first victims of American lustration. He said that he was summoned to the Personnel Management Department and announced that he was “politically unsuitable” for further service and was forced to resign under threat. After him, about 60 of his colleagues suffered the same fate, who for many years “faithfully” defended their homeland.

      According to him, Valentin Nalyvaichenko in early March ordered to intensify work on the so-called. "Russian direction." All events are subject to mandatory coordination with the "curators" allocated from the American Embassy. For obvious reasons, the Counterintelligence Department is suffering the most now. At the same time, no one even discusses the issue of secrecy.

      He also said in a conversation that, in addition to the Americans, the commanders of the Right Sector were frequent guests in the corridors of the SBU. Close cooperation with this organization began long before the EuroMaidan, but recently it has moved to a new level. Now, in fact, the “Right Sector” is gradually becoming almost a structural unit of the SBU, they are regular participants in all meetings on the current situation, their resources are used by the special services in relevant events.

      The interlocutor “I am Ukrainian” stated that the real owners in Kiev are now the Americans.
  24. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 14 March 2014 00: 37
    +8
    At my son, I found such an avatar in contact, at first I did not understand, but then it came ... And our children understand EVERYTHING! Honestly, I was just "hooked" and I am sincerely glad! goodWelcome Crimea HOME! love drinks fellow!
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 14 March 2014 02: 21
      +1
      But Bear’s face resembles someone!
      Or is this great politician already imagining to me?
    2. Manul
      Manul 15 March 2014 00: 36
      0
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      such an avatar

      It’s only a pity that the bear’s gesture is western. You should be truly Russian, like Stalin Churchill and Roosevelt made a riddle - guess what my middle finger (from the thumb, index and middle finger) is to be so - I’ll give you Crimea something. Then folded the cookie and said - Here you are, not Crimea! laughing
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 March 2014 00: 45
    +4
    Everyone forgot that the Crimea separated for a reason, because there are Russians. This happened after buses with Crimean activists traveling to protest against the coup in Kiev were stopped and burned on the Odessa-Kiev highway by people from PS and residents of neighboring villages. Drove approx. 400 people., People burned down, those who managed to escape for several days drove through the forests. As soon as they found out about it in the Crimea, they began to secede by the forces of the Crimean Golden Eagle from Kiev. After what happened, no one would have been negotiating with Kiev, you won’t forget about it.
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 14 March 2014 01: 02
      0
      Where the information came from, I’m more than sure that 95% of the people on the site are not up to date.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 14 March 2014 01: 11
        0
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        Where the information came from, I’m more than sure that 95% of the people on the site are not up to date.

        http://svidomitov.net/ там много крымчан, поделятся ссылью на видео зверств евро-фашистов. Сайт этот не цензурируется хунтой.
      2. Rescuer
        Rescuer 14 March 2014 01: 17
        +2
        Odessans ...

      3. alicante11
        alicante11 14 March 2014 06: 01
        0
        Where the information came from, I’m more than sure that 95% of the people on the site are not up to date.


        There was information on the web. About the fact that someone didn’t burn, but that the drivers disappeared and that they beat him, they kept him on their knees for several hours, and they ran away to the neighborhoods.
    2. Rescuer
      Rescuer 14 March 2014 01: 16
      +2
      How to burn Crimeans ...

    3. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 14 March 2014 04: 39
      0
      In. I don’t even know.
  26. Cristall
    Cristall 14 March 2014 01: 27
    +3
    Well, if it were so simple - ours would be too. It is no secret that it was precisely near Uman and the Crimeans (they might be exactly the same) and they stopped our people and partially burnt the buses and forced them to return on foot! Or on the way. These are activists of anti-Maidan and BB Odessa and Crimea.
    400 people block ambush near Uman (directions to Kiev were blocked in advance at the right time!) ... they there intercepted all of our ... the organizational preparation of the coup was at its best. And they did not give a damn about the laws of the constitution and in general everything. The question is why they all do not sit there, but the SBU sews us everything ...
  27. wax
    wax 14 March 2014 02: 00
    0
    I somehow did not think about the year of transfer of Crimea to Ukraine - May 1954. Just a year after Stalin’s death. Not bastard is vindictive. The Yalta Conference ended up on Ukrainian territory. But what Ukraine subsidized the Crimea, it’s a fairy tale, because the USSR itself was subsidized by the RSFSR. http://politobzor.net/show-15234-vnezapno-krym-stal-ukrainskim.html
  28. nomad74
    nomad74 14 March 2014 02: 09
    +3
    Video from Donetsk pleased! I heard the Maidan people called by their name and put on their knees! And so it is necessary and tougher! Paid students will piss on further nonsense! Yes, and the right sector will thin out! So God help the inhabitants of eastern Ukraine! Yes, and Russia, as it were, did not have to leave its brothers tight!
  29. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 14 March 2014 03: 46
    +2
    We'll have to scrub buses on the Maidan assault forces, oh, we’ll have to not ride knee-deep in shit! I heard that in those parts of the world a good slogan appeared- Klitschko-in-point !!! Intelligibly laughing
  30. shoemaker
    shoemaker 14 March 2014 04: 55
    0
    Watch this video. No comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ojlOfy6UI#t=606
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  32. Known who
    Known who 14 March 2014 06: 53
    0
    The article is kind, but how many people can resist the frenzied anti-Russian agitation? If everything continues in the same vein (the theft of leaders, beating after rallies, ...), then the hour of pacification of the eastern regions is not far off.
  33. ussrex
    ussrex 14 March 2014 07: 07
    0
    Yulia Tymoshenko left for treatment in Germany (German doctors say that Ukrainian colleagues could easily cope with her malaise, but the former prisoner, apparently, does not stay at home)

    It was just that simple: one lesbian went to another.
  34. Auralski
    Auralski 14 March 2014 08: 12
    0
    Strange article. I remembered a saying: "If my grandmother had eggs, she would be a grandfather." If all this had come true, but they would have been completely different people, this serpentarium cannot do otherwise. Alternative history, damn it ... Weak article. And the discussion is not an article, but a conversation about, and interesting in some places.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 14 March 2014 17: 11
      0
      Quote: AUralski
      A discussion is not an article, but a conversation about, and in some places interesting.

      As an option _ The power was seized, and what to do with it not a tooth leg !
      It’s from the top. UP everything is simple. _ He likes ice cream, he likes cake
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 14 March 2014 17: 37
        0
        The result sooner or later alone
  35. LV 1980
    LV 1980 April 19 2014 23: 33
    0
    The junta can save its skins only among the Galicians, so it does everything to split the country. This is also confirmed by their stated intentions to terminate the contract for the supply of products to the Russian defense industry by $ 15 billion, respectively, production, primarily in Kharkov, Dnepopetrovsk.