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Ukraine: it will start now. Headed for war with Russia

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Events in Ukraine are developing so rapidly that one gets the feeling that one has only to imagine the worst, and it will come true. After a week of active, but absolutely unsuccessful protests of residents of the South-East and countermeasures undertaken by the rebels, it is possible to draw certain conclusions and outline the new Ukrainian reality.


New order

Over the past week, the rebels took control of all security agencies on the mainland. Thus, the Security Service of Ukraine took an active part in the work and began to imprison the leaders of civil protest, and added new commanders to the demoralized militiamen and the newly certified “Berkut” and reinforced them with revolutionary political directors. Hundreds of Maidan self-defense were transferred to the regions, and now the Nazis, together with the police, are engaged in suppressing protests in the South-East.

Attempts to retain the honor of officers to refuse to carry out criminal orders end with the junta replacing them with loyal persons. The oligarchs, on the other hand, strengthened control over the regions entrusted to them thanks to mercenaries from their security structures, and Kiev attracted troops of fighters from private military companies.

The situation with the Armed Forces is no better: in addition to the theft of man-portable air defense systems and the introduction of the institute of revolutionary commissars, there is a massive replacement of Southeast officers with loyal junta people. Next in turn is the transfer of army arsenals and military equipment parks to the Nazis from the Right Sector in order to pacify the South-East.

When protests lose their meaning


In the current situation, civilian performances of the Southeast have exhausted themselves and cannot create anything more than a television picture. Now it’s just the process of letting out steam for the Russian-speaking population and draining the protest. In some regions, those who previously positioned themselves as staunch supporters of Eurasian integration are engaged in this.

There is no real success for the protest movement on the mainland, it cannot be: the insurgents seriously strengthened their positions not only in law enforcement agencies, attracted foreign political technologists and specialists in information wars, but also launched unprecedented anti-Russian propaganda and hysteria, taking control almost all media.

The Nazis from the right sector and the mercenaries will crush the discontented in Ukraine. The Southeast cannot oppose anything to them, since it has neither a regional leader, nor organizational structures, nor tools to render resistance to the Nazis. Simply put, the protest movement will be crushed, the leaders, at best, hidden behind bars, and the discontented will be intimidated.

Your scream no one will hear

It is difficult to predict whether the upcoming economic collapse and dismantling of the social security system will fully awaken the masses. Undoubtedly, some people in the country will wake up and begin to look at the world sensibly, but this will take at least several weeks, or even months, before the masses take to the streets. However, propagandists will do their work, and through the Ukrainian media, the refusal to finance the junta Russia will be appointed guilty of everything.

Thus, almost without exception, television channels and the vast majority of online media are engaged only in creating disinformation and forming the image of Russia as an enemy. It is worth giving them their due: this process is proceeding extremely successfully and the most common “arguments” among the people of Ukraine are the talk that the treasury was stolen by Yanukovych, Putin is wrong, and Russia is the aggressor. To prove the opposite to the ordinary citizen of Ukraine is not possible. In addition, the process of rapid displacement of Russian TV channels from the Ukrainian information space begins.

Thus, the junta took the information space of the country under control and took up intensive brainwashing of citizens of Ukraine.

The course of exacerbation and war

Kiev and the West deliberately chose a course to exacerbate relations with Russia. Thus, the governors of the Russian regions are threatened and demanding their accession to Ukraine, the sites of the Russian media are hacked by “Internet hundreds” hackers.

But most importantly, in the south of the Kherson region, in the immediate vicinity of the Perekopsky isthmus, troops are concentrated, armored vehicles are being assembled and the Ukrainian air defense system is being deployed. It is obvious that the junta’s intentions are not to protect the continent from the “encroachments” of the Crimeans on the neighboring regions, but to restore the “constitutional” order on the territory of the peninsula and disrupt the referendum.

I believe that one of the scenarios for the rescue of Kiev insurgents from bankruptcy can be a war, as for simple maintenance of hysteria in the media, armored vehicles and air defense systems look redundant and extremely costly elements of information warfare.

However, for the use of force, the junta needs confidence that Moscow will not risk fully answering and introducing military units into the territory of Ukraine. I believe that Kiev now has no such confidence, and no one can give guarantees of non-interference of the Russian Federation. However, it is not known who of the “Western partners” that he promised to the Kiev radicals. And because the risk of a punitive operation against the Crimeans is very high, as well as the likelihood that such actions will end with the appearance of polite people in the Lviv region.

Subtotals

It is necessary to abandon the illusions that the collective South-East will be able to give birth to a single regional leader and force local elites to vote for a referendum on federalization. In the conditions of unfolding terror, the protest movement will simply die.

I believe that the decision-making time for the leadership of the Russian Federation with respect to Ukraine is little, and it will be extremely tough to act. However, Vladimir Putin has the right to use the armed forces, no one is afraid of sanctions in Russia, and the level of support of the Russian authorities among the population is extremely high.

And no reference to the norms of international, and even more so Ukrainian national law should not stop Russia: “revolution”, having destroyed Ukraine, nullified all Russian obligations to the international community and the Kiev rebels.

Otherwise, the Ukrainian Wild Field will give birth to such monsters for several years that it will take even more forces and resources to restore order, and the flame of terror and color revolutions will have to be extinguished in the territory of the Union republics.
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  1. Hs487
    Hs487 12 March 2014 09: 26
    +16
    Turchinov will not enter Ukrainian troops in the Crimea
    According to Turchinov, if Kiev decides to start a military operation in the Crimea, the eastern border of the country with Russia will not be protected. The politician claims that Russia pulled tank units to the border with Ukraine and provokes Kiev in order to create conditions for the introduction of troops.
    http://ria56.ru/posts/5684685468556.htm
    1. RND
      RND 12 March 2014 10: 42
      +118
      Hs487 RU Today, 09:26
      Turchinov will not enter Ukrainian troops in the Crimea

      Turchinov - "parsley" from the overseas booth. Eats, drinks, shits on command.
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      2. Turik
        Turik 12 March 2014 12: 42
        +261
        The end of the world will begin tomorrow! NATO will send troops to Russia! China will take over Siberia! Expected nuclear strike on Moscow! Chechens will slaughter everyone who is for the freedom of the Russian people!

        Here to breed a panic! How we lived and will live, only we will be in the 2-3 region more. Russia survived the Mongols, ditched the Poles, escorted the Frenchmen, scattered the Turks, buried Hitler.

        Benderofascists already somehow clamp.
        1. asadov
          asadov 12 March 2014 12: 49
          +45
          heal then we clamp only with what kind of blood? God forbid, no blood at all.
          1. sssla
            sssla 12 March 2014 13: 15
            +41
            Quote: asadov
            heal then we clamp only with what kind of blood? God forbid, no blood at all.
            What would you like to cook an fried egg an egg needs to be broken or not? )))
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 12 March 2014 13: 29
              +15
              Quote: Turik
              Russia survived the Mongols

              Yes there were no Mongols. In Mongolia, they asked:
              Do you know your heroes from the Tatar-Mongol yoke ???
              What they bulged their eyes and hiccuped for a long time, in the end they replied that there was no Tamerlan and others.
              That's enough for everyone for a week:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9JEDLUrHA&list=PLE4xEiL4SvYM8c0AxoQEa9_8TuQGzI
              Ufi
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              2. aktanir
                aktanir 12 March 2014 13: 53
                +19
                Personally, it seems to me that Putin and the RF Armed Forces are given a unique chance with two or three rapid maneuvers to seize all more or less combat-ready units of Ukraine. Look, the Ukrainians themselves gathered their best troops and led them into the clutches of our "polite" men to the Perekop Isthmus. At the moment, if there is accurate information about the goals of the enemy to move on the offensive to Crimea, you need to take them into a trap, encircling them from the west along the eastern regions of Ukraine, disarm and send those who have not been drinking home.
                1. 77bob1973
                  77bob1973 12 March 2014 16: 08
                  +11
                  You just need to conduct exercises of the Airborne Forces on real objects - Kiev, Kharkov, Donetsk.
                  1. dmitriygorshkov
                    dmitriygorshkov 12 March 2014 17: 22
                    +8
                    Not all objects are designated. Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk.
                    And then the fascist hydra can grow new tentacles!
                    1. APASUS
                      APASUS 12 March 2014 18: 55
                      +6
                      Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                      Not all objects are designated. Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk. And then the fascist hydra can grow new tentacles!

                      The Soviet authorities couldn’t finish off this hydra, and we won’t be able to. It most likely makes sense to put them in a can of spiders, let them marinate in their own juice!
                      Despite the fact that the west of the country, mainly agricultural, they will not allocate a lot of money for all sorts of fantasies
                      1. mihai_md2003
                        mihai_md2003 13 March 2014 01: 37
                        +3
                        Correctly do not retrain them. They must be protected both in nature reserves and high feeds.
                      2. GSH-18
                        GSH-18 13 March 2014 19: 10
                        0
                        Quote: mihai_md2003
                        Correctly do not retrain them. They must be protected both in nature reserves and high feeds.

                        Do not talk nonsense. You suggest to build a continuous reinforced concrete wall around brown areas, and to put protection ??! Well they will climb to us and crap in every way!
                        There is only one way. Change of power in an independent to normal, adequate. Its adoption of state laws prohibiting the activities of Nazi organizations in Ukraine. Changing the constitution towards democratic state. guarantees to ALL nationalities of Ukraine!
                        Only in this way, and not otherwise! Otherwise, BLOOD, destabilization of the situation, and involvement in the dismantling of major world players. What are Benders doing so?
                      3. mihai_md2003
                        mihai_md2003 21 March 2014 13: 51
                        0
                        Have you been to western Ukraine personally? Where are the monuments of Bandera on every corner and they always have a lot of flowers? Where celebrate the creation of the UPA. There, from childhood, they are vaccinated that if the rain on the street is to blame, the dog died is to blame. I myself was unpleasantly surprised where the eye came from and why they cultivated it in themselves and what the worst is taught to children since childhood. Hence my opinion that not to redo them in one day, and even more so by planting the government there, you will not achieve anything. No need to teach them life; one must fight for the temperate regions and for the moderate Ukrainians sharing our values. And let the zapadentsy boil in their own juice, they may need to grow another generation and survive the complete collapse of the economy so that they finally understand who their enemy is and who is their friend. There is no other way checked more than once. You just can not imagine how big a gap in the vision of the world is for you and for them.
            2. Su24
              Su24 12 March 2014 17: 22
              +9
              Thank you) I think GDP will take note of your outstanding operational plan))
            3. tds-8_78
              tds-8_78 12 March 2014 17: 57
              0
              This is a bluff! There will be no war! The dollar is still growing! Someone decided to earn money.
              1. Anper
                Anper 12 March 2014 18: 15
                +2
                Quote: tds-8_78
                This is a bluff! There will be no war!

                So European-oriented democratic Ukrainian media are systematically presenting a new feature - the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ready to repel an attack on the southern and eastern borders. And how to understand this?
              2. INVESTOR
                INVESTOR 12 March 2014 23: 15
                0
                And where is the dollar?
            4. vezunchik
              vezunchik 12 March 2014 18: 48
              0
              but will he do it? No. ??
            5. nnz226
              nnz226 12 March 2014 19: 59
              +14
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoDDvOId_vY это видео, где якобы ВС украины движутся к Перекопу. На визги придурррков на обочине внимания обращать не стоит - дебббилллы! А посчитать, что едет интересно: за клип проехало 11 БТРов, провезли 4 гаубицы, одну зенитную спарку-малокалиберку + пролетел 1 вертолёт Ми-8 даже без боковых пилонов, на которые обычно вешают оружие. Ребят украинских (если это не майдауны) просто жалко: смертники!!! Они на грузовиках в атаку пойдут? Если же едут майдауны, тогда их надо крошить в фарш, чтоб поганые пасти не раззевали в воплях про славу какой-то территории непонятного формирования...
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              2. APASUS
                APASUS 12 March 2014 21: 49
                +2
                Quote: nnz226
                Ukrainian guys (if this is not maydauny) is simply a pity: suicide bombers !!! Will they attack the trucks? If the maydaunas are coming, then they must be crushed into mincemeat so that the filthy mouths do not scream in shouts about the glory of some territory of an incomprehensible formation ...

                Are you probably talking about this video?
                Most liked the car with shell beds. There are practically no fuel trucks in the convoy, and there are different types of cars and even voracious OH-OH-OH. Communication machines 3 pcs but no generators are visible. One machine is honey baht at all then weak for war
                Collected from what it looked like a hodgepodge. I liked the headline about, I’m a Nazi face, ov. If this is the army, I better keep silent ...........
                1. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 12 March 2014 22: 22
                  +2
                  My God !!!! What nonsense. The people there have completely fallen from the coils. And the technology is all antediluvian. The main mass is support vehicles. And where is the military equipment. Or were they going to fight with a combatant?
                  1. oldy
                    oldy 12 March 2014 23: 26
                    +5
                    No, on other videos I saw T-64 tanks, sheathed mortars and guns and SRZO and more, they have a lot of S-300s ... It’s another thing that all the old and their warriors are not fired except those who were Ukrainian. the contingent in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it was precisely our planes that shot down in 2008 during the South Ossetian conflict, plus Yarosh’s militants as a guard ... we need a preemptive strike as if I didn’t want this, but ... the GDP and the General Staff wouldn’t do it - all the Slav brothers and we don’t want to be arsonists of the 3rd world although it has already essentially begun (at least in my head and not only in mine) -: ((((
                2. mr.vorodis
                  mr.vorodis 13 March 2014 03: 08
                  0
                  I remembered videos from Syria - there, too, every body movement is accompanied by a cry "Allah akbar!"
                3. fif21
                  fif21 14 March 2014 12: 14
                  0
                  Damn and there’s nothing to choose, perhaps I would take a hammer, and the rest to the museum
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              3. uizik
                uizik 12 March 2014 23: 01
                +8
                Any business must be brought to the end! The next time may not be!
              4. Skiff-2
                Skiff-2 12 March 2014 23: 37
                +6
                Quote: nnz226
                Ukrainian guys (if this is not maydauny) is simply a pity: suicide bombers !!! Will they attack the trucks? If the maydaunas are coming, then they must be crushed into mincemeat so that the filthy mouths do not scream in shouts about the glory of some territory of an incomprehensible formation ...

                Recruits of Vshnikov will be sent to the attack with detachments of the right sector, the boys are asking for help, they are not cowards, but they do not want to fight with their Russian brothers and their people, but they are not given a choice. The junta needs more fresh meat at Perekop for a picture in the media, as an occasion for NATO assistance. The advance of the Kiev explosives to the Crimea is tentatively on the night of March 14. Putin needs to rush working ahead of the curve, the East is waiting for Russia and is ready to take up arms, but the weapons are in the hands of the Junta.
            6. nik.tmn72
              nik.tmn72 12 March 2014 20: 19
              -19%
              then all Ukrainian people will defend their country, even those who were loyal to Russia
              and.
              1. GrayL
                GrayL 13 March 2014 09: 08
                0
                This is not sad, but it will be so ... Human psychology - they beat ours.
            7. EDW
              EDW 13 March 2014 10: 42
              0
              Further, we do not recognize the separation of the British colonies (USA) from Great Britain (symmetrically, as the Americans do not recognize Crimea), and "polite people" will come to Lviv and rename it to Putinsk (so that it’s inappropriate), and Washington, along with Putington. :)

              (Jokes as a joke, but seriously, I can't perceive the Ukrainians as an "enemy" because the fraternal people, though intoxicated by Western values. I hope they will sip on the promises of the Maydauns, compare them with reality, get enough of European prices and unemployment, and see their own They will bury the Nazis themselves. War is blood, the smell of burnt meat and intestines, the Ukrainians themselves (civilians) will not forgive us that.)
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 13 March 2014 19: 27
                0
                Quote: edw
                I hope they have plenty of fun with the promises of the Maydauns, compare them with reality, be saturated with European prices and unemployment, they will see their own eyes and bury their fascists

                Unfortunately, you shouldn't count on it. Public opinion in Ukraine is tightly controlled. And they won't let him come to his senses. To distract the "brain activity" of the Ukrainians, the enemy Russia will be appointed. And only this information will be circulated in the media, with various "confirming" facts.
          2. Alexei
            Alexei 12 March 2014 14: 15
            +4
            Quote: Sergh
            Yes there were no Mongols.

            Igo is a fiction. All documents, parchments, scrolls and even murals on ancient temples (describing those ancient times) are missing. Damn, if you find a bible of the century of 16, what can I say about something earlier? Everything is corresponded.
            1. NikoEro
              NikoEro 12 March 2014 15: 07
              +7
              History fans according to Fomenko and Nosovsky? No need to carry gibberish, Igo - a fact accepted by thousands of historians around the world, maybe not 300 years ago it lay in Russia - but it was, that's for sure. The nation cannot take and forget glassmaking and blacksmithing, there were reasons for that. The reasons are barbaric. Point. I apologize for the offtopic.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 12 March 2014 15: 31
                +9
                Quote: NikoEro
                History fans according to Fomenko and Nosovsky?

                I do not know what you have according to Nosovsky and Fomenko, but it is customary to prove theory in science.
                Quote: NikoEro
                Igo is a fact accepted by thousands of historians around the world

                What historians have taken for themselves there they can stick to yourself you know where. Are you not surprised that among these historians there is not a single Russian surname?
                How could I forget when the Germans wrote Russian history — the Russians were sitting in a den and designing a nuclear reactor with caviar.
                1. Su24
                  Su24 12 March 2014 17: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: NikoEro
                  History fans according to Fomenko and Nosovsky?

                  I do not know what you have according to Nosovsky and Fomenko, but it is customary to prove theory in science.
                  Quote: NikoEro
                  Igo is a fact accepted by thousands of historians around the world

                  What historians have taken for themselves there they can stick to yourself you know where. Are you not surprised that among these historians there is not a single Russian surname?
                  How could I forget when the Germans wrote Russian history — the Russians were sitting in a den and designing a nuclear reactor with caviar.


                  Comrade, are you normal? Do you understand what they just said? You said that knowing history is not the business of historians. And then who? Physicists? Or maybe the lyrics? Or uncle Petit plumbing?
                  And moreover, here, the names of historians ??? Do you know them yourself? And what did the names of Klyuchevsky, Solovyov, Vernadsky, Platonov not please you? My first teacher in the history of the Fatherland had a surname Pashin. Is there anything suspicious about this?
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 12 March 2014 19: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Su24
                    Comrade, are you normal?

                    From abnormal hear.
                    Quote: Su24
                    You said that knowing history is not the business of historians.

                    I said that history is an extremely unscientific "science". This so-called "science" does not rely on scientific facts, the only thing historians rely on is the order of the government of this and that state. And under this order, they, historians, "suck their theories.
                    Quote: Su24
                    And moreover, here, the names of historians ??? Do you know them yourself? And what did the names of Klyuchevsky, Solovyov, Vernadsky, Platonov not please you?

                    By the fact that they did not write history, they supplemented the history already written by the Germans.
                    Quote: Su24
                    My first teacher in the history of the Fatherland had a surname Pashin. Is there anything suspicious about this?

                    Your teacher did not write history.
                  2. Snipe 74
                    Snipe 74 12 March 2014 20: 18
                    -1
                    Your arguments are not convincing, in this dispute you lost with a crushing score
                  3. TiGRoO
                    TiGRoO 12 March 2014 21: 42
                    -2
                    Why did he lose, he is absolutely right! There was no Iga! There was a change in the power of the union state, we are Russia, the heir to the great Mongol empire. It's just that over time, the "capital" passed to Moscow and the Orthodox, that's all Igo.
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              2. Valrad
                Valrad 12 March 2014 20: 35
                +3
                Well, the recognition of the yoke is not evidence. but with them very good. tight. we begin at least with the graves of mass warriors. Mongolian no. no weapons. how did they fight? ghosts.
              3. ddd1975
                ddd1975 13 March 2014 04: 19
                +2
                Referring to surnames - at least you need to read their work and on the basis of what they are written. Strange, but I did not see the name of LOMONOSOV! For myself, I draw conclusions on the read works and specifically proven facts from the primary sources. If you want to read the works of historians of different periods (preferably early), evaluate the situation during the writing of works - to whom this assessment is beneficial, you should not draw conclusions only on the basis of the works of European historians - the truth is usually somewhere in between.
              4. GrayL
                GrayL 13 March 2014 09: 12
                0
                Well, if the latest story from World War 2 to the present day, everyone describes in different ways, pulling a blanket over himself, then what can we say about that time ...
          3. dr.star75
            dr.star75 12 March 2014 16: 40
            +9
            Besides the fact recognized by thousands of historians, is there any other evidence? Everyone who has eyes knows that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. But scientists insist on the exact opposite.
            1. Su24
              Su24 12 March 2014 17: 51
              +3
              Quote: dr.star75
              Besides the fact recognized by thousands of historians, is there any other evidence? Everyone who has eyes knows that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. But scientists insist on the exact opposite.


              Ugums. So I think now that all the fans of "alternative history" came to us from the Flat Earth.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 12 March 2014 20: 39
                -1
                Quote: Su24
                So I think now that all the fans of "alternative history" came to us from the Flat Earth.

                Not so long ago alternatives burned at the stake.
                In my memory, scientists who dared to talk about quarks were called dreamers and divorced from reality.
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 12 March 2014 17: 59
              +2
              Quote: dr.star75
              Everyone who has eyes knows that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth.

              No, the Foucault pendulum speaks differently in front of his eyes.
              Quote: dr.star75
              But scientists insist on the exact opposite.

              Is it really so?
              Well, why so, because these same scientists a little earlier just spoke about the flatness of the Earth!
              Then they changed their testimonies and now they are already talking ...
              By the way, here some scientists say _ Ether is an in vain rejected idea.
              wink
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 12 March 2014 19: 31
                +1
                Quote: Cynic
                Well, why so, because these same scientists a little earlier just spoke about the flatness of the Earth!
                Then they changed their testimonies and now they are already talking ...
                By the way, here some scientists say _ Ether is an in vain rejected idea.

                So who benefits from deadlocks in the sciences? Not for people - that's for sure.
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 12 March 2014 19: 44
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                So who benefits from deadlocks in the sciences? Not for people - that's for sure.

                that's just about not people we will not ?!
                well ?
                drinks
              3. Setrac
                Setrac 12 March 2014 20: 06
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                that's just about not people we will not ?!
                well ?

                Let's not.
                Damn, break off at the most fun place.
              4. Cynic
                Cynic 12 March 2014 20: 27
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                Damn, break off at the most fun place.

                Thanks for your attention _
      3. ReifA
        ReifA 12 March 2014 19: 52
        +4
        Historians say that the pyramids in Egypt were built by the Egyptians and Jews, in America in May there, the Incas. That in Russia and China there are pyramids, historians have not heard at all. Baalbek, these ancient people built from a small mind, etc.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 12 March 2014 20: 28
          +1
          About Europe did not mention, the same is.
      4. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 13 March 2014 02: 42
        +2
        Quote: dr.star75
        Besides the fact recognized by thousands of historians, is there any other evidence? Everyone who has eyes knows that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. But scientists insist on the exact opposite.

    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 12 March 2014 23: 28
      0
      NikoEroPlease tell me why you have the Russian flag in your avatar, you yourself set the Soviet flag, and do you write your opuses from the USA?
      You screwed up again, as with all your previous posts.
      Find yourself another job. This one doesn’t work for you.
    3. Alexei
      Alexei 13 March 2014 02: 02
      +1
      Quote: NikoEro
      History fans according to Fomenko and Nosovsky? No need to carry gibberish,

      I am not a fan of alternative history. But however, there are a lot of arguments and facts that make one doubt the generally accepted chronicle. Nikolay, open your eyes, you don’t have to go far — the Great Patriotic War is trying to redo it, and yet not all veterans in the other world are.
      Quote: NikoEro
      A nation cannot take and forget glassmaking and blacksmithing,

      Yes you? But the countries of Europe could do without the Yoke, and then they had a "renaissance", have you heard about this?
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 13 March 2014 18: 02
        0
        Quote: Alexej
        But the countries of Europe could without Iga

        As I understand it, the historiography of the Finnish Federal University is not familiar.
        I am writing this not as an assumption, but as an affirmation. _ They would have read, would have known DARK CENTURIES in the history of Europe.
        wink
  2. kare
    kare 12 March 2014 15: 14
    +16
    Quote: Alexej
    Quote: Sergh
    Yes there were no Mongols.

    Igo is a fiction. All documents, parchments, scrolls and even murals on ancient temples (describing those ancient times) are missing. Damn, if you find a bible of the century of 16, what can I say about something earlier? Everything is corresponded.

    The fact that the rotten pi.ndoisky west constantly rewrote history over the centuries, we saw for ourselves how the history of the Second World War is being rewritten, and after all, not a century has passed. good
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  3. Su24
    Su24 12 March 2014 17: 29
    +4
    Quote: Alexej
    Quote: Sergh
    Yes there were no Mongols.

    Igo is a fiction. All documents, parchments, scrolls and even murals on ancient temples (describing those ancient times) are missing. Damn, if you find a bible of the century of 16, what can I say about something earlier? Everything is corresponded.


    In fact, reliable sources on ser. 13 centuries were completely preserved among different peoples of Eurasia, and they contain a lot of descriptions of the campaigns of the Mongols.
    And about the Bible - there are surviving fragments from the Gospel of the 2nd century.
    1. Hey
      Hey 12 March 2014 17: 48
      -6
      Which page says it is the 2nd century.
      1. Su24
        Su24 12 March 2014 18: 06
        +6
        Method of radio-carbon analysis + linguistic and textological analysis.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 March 2014 19: 08
          -5
          Quote: Su24
          Method of radio carbon analysis

          Yes, you at least ask what kind of method it is! How can historians know what the percentage of radioactive carbon was in the past? From nowhere, the given figure, they, historians took "from a lantern equal" to the current one, without any scientific basis for such a step.

          Quote: Su24
          linguistic and textological analysis.

          The method "one grandmother said", as soon as it hits my head, we will write it down.
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 12 March 2014 19: 21
          +3
          Quote: Su24
          Method of radio carbon analysis

          Yeah, as I understand organic samples.
          Only _
          in accordance with the New Chronology of A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovsky (NH FiN) [Site New Chronology] pyramids were built no earlier than the middle of the 2nd millennium AD. There are two versions of the explanation for this discrepancy. Either NH FiN is incorrect in terms of dating the construction of the pyramids of Ancient Egypt, or our algorithms for falsifying and re-falsifying the results of radiocarbon dating are not finalized in terms of the radiocarbon dates of objects of Ancient Egypt from the period up to 2000 BC. If you accept the second version, then you can almost unequivocally affirm that the falsification of radiocarbon dates is based on the application of an unknown to us “contractual” standard for radiocarbon dating. Calculation on its basis of radiocarbon dates leads to their artificial chronological shift by about 3500 years. The solution to this problem is a matter of the future.

          In Russian speaking what standard you take, you will receive such date!
          By the way, it is very dangerous when such things are assigned arbitrarily, and apparently, the standard was not chosen scientifically.
          And the depth of his constancy.
          wink
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 12 March 2014 19: 04
      0
      Quote: Su24
      In fact, reliable sources on ser. 13 centuries were completely preserved among different peoples of Eurasia, and they contain a lot of descriptions of the campaigns of the Mongols.

      Everyone except the Martians themselves have preserved the Martian language, aren't you funny yourself?
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 13 March 2014 18: 06
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        The Martian language was preserved by all but the Martians themselves

        You are more careful, otherwise time will pass and a certain scientist of the future will, on the basis of this quote, assert _ What according to the statement of the army general Setrac The Martian language was preserved only by Earthlings, and the Martians forgot it!
        lol
    3. Valrad
      Valrad 12 March 2014 20: 43
      +1
      campaigns could be joint and the steppe cavalry was constantly used in allies in Russia. There is a version that it was not the yoke in Russia but the civil war, one for Christianity and other pagans. The Tatar cavalry was on both sides but not numerous. even Putin hinted about something.)
  • dr.star75
    dr.star75 12 March 2014 16: 32
    +1
    I agree. Only in VO this is not welcome. Although the evidence is complete.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 12 March 2014 17: 50
      +1
      Quote: dr.star75
      Although the evidence is complete.

      Yeah. Also say unambiguous and reliable.
      The reliability of evidence is related to the source of evidence. It can be questioned not only in connection with “defects” of the source of information, but also in the case of the existence of two or more evidence with the opposite content.
  • Su24
    Su24 12 March 2014 17: 19
    +4
    Quote: Sergh
    Quote: Turik
    Russia survived the Mongols

    Yes there were no Mongols. In Mongolia, they asked:
    Do you know your heroes from the Tatar-Mongol yoke ???
    What they bulged their eyes and hiccuped for a long time, in the end they replied that there was no Tamerlan and others.
    That's enough for everyone for a week:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9JEDLUrHA&list=PLE4xEiL4SvYM8c0AxoQEa9_8TuQGzI

    Ufi


    Sorry, but what is this brilliant information? Tamerlane among the Mongols? Tamerlane comes from Central Asia. But Genghis Khan is a well-known national hero in Mongolia. No, I'm freaking out - "there were no Mongols")))
    1. Chemicalin23
      Chemicalin23 12 March 2014 18: 01
      +2
      Quite right, the comrade says - there were no Mongols ... well, of course there were Mongols, but there was no yoke.
    2. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 17
      0
      The Mongols then are an Indo-European people, anthropologically indistinguishable from the Russians, having common roots with us. The modern population of Mongolia has the self-name "Khalkha" and has nothing in common with the Mongols.
    3. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 25
      0
      Quote: Su24
      Quote: Sergh
      Quote: Turik
      Russia survived the Mongols

      Yes there were no Mongols. In Mongolia, they asked:
      Do you know your heroes from the Tatar-Mongol yoke ???
      What they bulged their eyes and hiccuped for a long time, in the end they replied that there was no Tamerlan and others.
      That's enough for everyone for a week:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9JEDLUrHA&list=PLE4xEiL4SvYM8c0AxoQEa9_8TuQGzI


      Ufi


      Sorry, but what is this brilliant information? Tamerlane among the Mongols? Tamerlane comes from Central Asia. But Genghis Khan is a well-known national hero in Mongolia. No, I'm freaking out - "there were no Mongols")))

      Tamerlan - the founder of the Mughal Empire! You need to know the story! He is a Mongol like Genghis Khan, but from a different genus.
  • Su24
    Su24 12 March 2014 18: 02
    0
    Quote: Sergh
    Quote: Turik
    Russia survived the Mongols

    Yes there were no Mongols. In Mongolia, they asked:
    Do you know your heroes from the Tatar-Mongol yoke ???
    What they bulged their eyes and hiccuped for a long time, in the end they replied that there was no Tamerlan and others.
    That's enough for everyone for a week:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9JEDLUrHA&list=PLE4xEiL4SvYM8c0AxoQEa9_8TuQGzI

    Ufi


    And you, you know, there were no Poles either. In Poland, they do not know about any king Wladyslaw. And there were no Swedes. The Swedes did not hear anything about Charles XII. Needless to say that Napoleon and the French also did not exist?
  • aksakal
    aksakal 12 March 2014 18: 07
    +13
    Quote: Sergh
    What they bulged their eyes and hiccuped for a long time, in the end they replied that there was no Tamerlan and others.

    - sorry, what are you looking at? What does Tamerlane have to do with it? The Mongols know nothing about him - this is natural, since Tamerlane was born in the 15th century on the territory of present-day Uzbekistan, near the city of Shakhrisabs (the Yalla group had such a song dedicated to this city. Ironically, he himself undermined the power of Asia. At that time Khan Mamai headed the Golden Horde. The Russian prince Dmitry Donskoy piled him. But it was all frivolous. That's when the serious khan - Khan Tokhtamysh, the head of the Golden Horde, came to intercede for the offended brother-fool. the Mongols know him, Dmitry Donskoy reeled up the fishing rods, even abandoning his family. Having put things in order in Russia, Khan Tokhtamysh bowed against Tamerlane and got in the teeth. Then he got together again and got it again, but so that the Golden Horde came to At that time, Khan Bayazid worked in the West - on the territory of present-day Turkey, Khan of the Mamluks.A very talented commander, defeated the Serbs, Bulgarians, the Teutonic Order anda lot more, it was he who was the creator of the vast Ottoman Empire. But Bayazid's mistake was his trip to the east, where he stumbled upon our "lame". Here Bayazid also came a sevrenny fur-bearing animal. After which Tamerlane went to Europe, Europe trembled to a pulp with fear, but Tamerlane needed gold. Europe was poor. that saved her. Tamerlane then sent an army south, India. He very successfully washed his boots in the Indian Ocean, plundered gold ... He drove a whole bunch of Indians from there, making them slaves. Indians mingled with the locals, organizing an ethnos - "Sart". These are the current Uzbeks, the language is Turkic, but it is clear that they have Indian roots. With the death of Tamerlane, his empire fell into decay, and at that time Ivan the Terrible came to power in Russia, feeling the weakness of the Golden Horde. And he took something from her ... Only Shpak did not take it.
    Well, at least learn a little history from serious sources, in which there is more objectivity. The story from Zadornov and his associates is not serious. You will listen to Zadornovskys and then you will be surprised - why don't you take them seriously?
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 12 March 2014 19: 27
      -1
      Apparently, Dmitry Donskoy and Khan Toshtamysh are one and the same person. Not for you personally, but for the forum (although the topic is completely different) I want to say that the knowledge of modern historians (about history before the 18th century) is based on assumptions. For example: the age of the Egyptian pyramids was calculated as follows: on the walls of one of the tombs they found a list of names, AGREED that these were the names of the Pharaohs, decided that each ruled for about 25 years (the life span of 1 generation), multiplied these numbers - got the age:? T. .e. Is this a scientific approach? Although the walls of the pyramids are full of horoscopes (a horoscope is a diagram of the starry sky for a specific period of time, and not fortunetelling on coffee grounds as fortunetellers stuff us. I.e. this is a recorded date not in numbers, stars and planets) So the dates of this horoscope are from 12 to 16th century AD. The dates were calculated by the mathematician Fomenko using computer programs back in the USSR.
      1. aquatic
        aquatic 12 March 2014 20: 50
        0
        this is not true) not based on assumptions but on a scientific method)
        Donskoy and Tokhtomysh are two completely different historical personalities)
        Fomenko the same Suvorov with his facts about the Great Patriotic War) the same Ermakova with her "experiments" about the dangers of GMO) charlatans)
        1. Orc-xnumx
          Orc-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 33
          -1
          No need to interfere with history and GMOs!
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 14 March 2014 19: 11
          0
          Reject, offer! I’m asking you not to confuse Suvorov, the traitor and defector, and Fomenko, an academician of Moscow State University, who received his first scientific titles in the USSR!
    2. Berserk
      Berserk 13 March 2014 01: 55
      0
      They confuse Temuchin with Tamerlan. That is yes. But the yoke along the way and the truth was not there. There was some other batch.
  • alexdol
    alexdol 12 March 2014 19: 29
    +2
    Sergh (1) RU "There weren't any Mongols."
    ------------------------------------------------
    Yes, and I've read about it! In general, I must say that our history is little KNOWN to us, unfortunately! One gets the impression that SOMEONE is hiding it from us! For example, there was a PRAVDORUB website, now it has been REMOVED. There I happened to read an article about the Great Wall of China, and it turns out that the wall is NOT CHINESE at all! In a nutshell, what we are talking about: there is a photo of the wall. On the one hand, there are SEEDS, as it were, loopholes, and on the other, the wall is smooth. But the whole trick is that the "loopholes" look to the South? !! So the question is, who built it?
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 March 2014 19: 07
      0
      This is one of the facts (about the wall) that indicates that history is, to put it mildly, distorted.
  • real
    real 12 March 2014 19: 34
    0
    Tamerlan was an Uzbek ... from Samarkand ... In Samarkand there is his mausoleum, Gur Emir .... In 1941, Soviet scientists opened the tomb on the orders of Stalin. That day the war started .... June 22, 1941 .. ..
    1. Sour
      Sour 12 March 2014 20: 34
      +4
      Quote: real
      Tamerlan was an Uzbek ... from Samarkand.

      Then the nation was not like that - the Uzbeks.
      Timur came from the Barlas tribe, it is of Mongolian origin. He moved to Central Asia in the 13th century, after the Mongol conquest. By the time Timur was born, it already adopted the Turkic language.
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    3. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 13 March 2014 07: 49
      +2
      real "Tamerlane was an Uzbek ... from Samarkand ... In Samarkand there is his mausoleum-Gur Emir .... In 1941, his tomb was opened by Soviet scientists on the orders of Stalin. That day the war began .... June 22, 1941 .... "
      Then there were no Uzbeks as a nation. They as a people were formed later. Before the establishment of Soviet power, they were called mainly Sarts. His Timur, the Barlas clan, was a "Turkic" Mongol clan.
    4. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 36
      0
      Then there were no Uzbeks either!
      Quote: real
      Tamerlan was an Uzbek ... from Samarkand ... In Samarkand there is his mausoleum, Gur Emir .... In 1941, Soviet scientists opened the tomb on the orders of Stalin. That day the war started .... June 22, 1941 .. ..
  • nnz226
    nnz226 12 March 2014 19: 52
    +3
    Actually, Tamerlan (Timur) ruled in Central Asia, and is buried in Samarkand (if I'm not mistaken). And the Mongols of Genghis Khan are honored and the monument to him was cut off right up to the sky! Batu or Batu was the grandson of Genghis Khan, and it was he who brought his tumens to Russia (they did not hear about Ukraine at that time and never saw the view) in 1238. Well, it started, right up to the 1380 year, the Battle of Kulikovo, and + another hundred years before standing on the Ugra. Not the Mongols, not the Tatars, but someone was doing all this, that Russia was straining so much time ?!
    1. aquatic
      aquatic 12 March 2014 20: 55
      -1
      according to some reports, Batu’s blood was flowing in Rurik) as much of everything mixed up in us)
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 12 March 2014 20: 42
    +4
    Quote: Sergh
    Yes there were no Mongols.

    Were there proto-hides? So that!
  • Khamsin
    Khamsin 12 March 2014 21: 14
    +2
    And then they asked the Mongols? Any war is a cost in monetary terms. This is logistics in providing troops. Can you imagine the transition, Lets say, the ten thousandth Mongol army made such a distant transition? Each equestrian nomad must have at least two horses. And this is twenty thousand horses. How to feed so many mouths and faces? Why is the construction of the pyramids laid out in terms of logistics, and no one questions such a military company from the point of view of banal mathematics?
    Ukraine has no money for war now! The maximum that they can, at the moment, is sabotage. No need to breed a panic!
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  • Lawless
    Lawless 12 March 2014 13: 42
    +6
    We’ll not only break the eggs, but we will drive them through the tracks ...
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 12 March 2014 13: 44
    -2
    maybe better eggs in a cool
  • skeptic
    skeptic 12 March 2014 14: 24
    +7
    Quote: sssla
    What would you like to cook an fried egg an egg needs to be broken or not? )))


    Well, what about! Now there is an active separation of grains from the chaff, including in the Ukrainian army. An ideal option for the natural selection of the entire riffraff in the foremost units of the punitive Crimea. All the scum sticks out throughout Ukraine, which you can remember for future courts (shoot, record their crimes by name), now is the time of truth - who is the friend of the people, who is the enemy.
    YES! This vaccine is very painful, but you have the widest choice. If Ukraine becomes a worthy, rich country in Europe, then Crimea will also be asked to come to you on its own. Germany was divided into two parts, but it not only did not fall, but also did everything to reunite. And an attempt to combat will lead, only to the loss, of an even larger territory. And is it necessary for all of us?
  • pawel1961
    pawel1961 12 March 2014 22: 55
    0
    do you hint at what?
  • AVV
    AVV 13 March 2014 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: sssla
    What would you like to cook an fried egg an egg needs to be broken or not? )))

    In order to prepare the fried eggs, you first need to heat the pan to red, so that all this Bendery’s land would feel uncomfortable in the east of Ukraine, it’s time to create partisan detachments and drive this holy bastard from Ukraine to Western Europe !!!
  • Cynic
    Cynic 12 March 2014 15: 23
    +9
    Quote: asadov
    God forbid, no blood at all.

    God grant! (God is actually capitalized)
    But if Bandera’s need arises, it is not a problem for them, neither a stranger nor his own.
    On the Maidan they poured both of them without hesitation.
    If you thought about it, then how to effectively present the spectacle of sacrifice to the altar of the revolution!
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  • Mergen
    Mergen 12 March 2014 12: 55
    +37
    Quote: Turik
    The Mongols survived

    Russia and the Golden Horde were allies. And the fact that the Germans rewrote this in stories because the Rurikovich and the Romanovs were at odds. NOT HIM!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 March 2014 13: 09
      +33
      Quote: Mergen
      Russia and the Golden Horde were allies. And the fact that the Germans rewrote this in stories because the Rurikovich and the Romanovs were at odds. NOT HIM!


      Mergen (Zhas) let's just not start today about the Mongol Yoke .... take it easy there was no yoke, all is well - Mongols and Russian brothers forever! laughing
      1. Horn
        Horn 12 March 2014 13: 28
        +12
        Mergen (Zhas) let's just not start today about the Mongol Yoke .... take it easy there was no yoke, all is well - Mongols and Russian brothers forever!

        - In the 90s, at the entrance to Tashkent from the side of Chimkent, there was a poster: "A German is an Uzbek, brothers forever!"
        1. alex-s
          alex-s 12 March 2014 14: 32
          +11
          - In the 90s, at the entrance to Tashkent from the side of Chimkent, there was a poster: "A German is an Uzbek, brothers forever!"

          So Hitler to the brothers, it turns out, broke through! We just did not understand him! laughing
      2. Niki
        Niki 12 March 2014 13: 29
        +6
        There were no Mongols. The horde was Golden, not Tatar or Mongolian.
        1. kare
          kare 12 March 2014 15: 18
          +7
          Quote: Niki
          There were no Mongols. The horde was Golden, not Tatar or Mongolian.

          There were Mughals, not primitive Mongols, which means great.
          Horde - it was the name of a standing army.
          Of the princes, someone constantly rode into the horde, that is, into the army.
        2. DS14
          DS14 12 March 2014 18: 12
          +3
          Quote: Niki
          There were no Mongols. The horde was Golden, not Tatar or Mongolian.


          Germany, too, was not fascist, but Nazi, or rather, National Socialist. And not the Germans, but the Nazis. From this it follows that the Second World War with Germany and the rest of the riffraff was not?
        3. Valrad
          Valrad 12 March 2014 20: 50
          0
          great TARTARIA
      3. Sergh
        Sergh 12 March 2014 13: 32
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        The yoke of the Mongolian .... calm down there was no yoke, all is well - Mongols and Russian brothers forever

        I repeat again, Mergen is completely right

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9JEDLUrHA&list=PLE4xEiL4SvYM8c0AxoQEa9_8TuQGzI
        Ufi
      4. wot
        wot 12 March 2014 16: 39
        +5
        And the joke is that the Mongols and Russians are one and the same
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 12 March 2014 13: 35
      +6
      Quote: Mergen
      NOT HIM!

      Ask about the early meaning of the word "yoke".
      Comes from praindoevro. * jugom “union”, union, Mongol-Tatar yoke, in modern language the Mongol-Tatar union.
      Mongol - comes from the ancient "megalion" - the Great.
      Tatars - from Tartarus - a black abyss, I’ll add from myself: this is not an underground abyss since under the ground all is densely packed and there is no abyss, it is a black abyss of space.
      Thus, the Mongol-Tatar yoke literally translates as

      Great Cosmic Union.

      It must be remembered that the Old Slavonic reckoning is carried out from SMZH, Creation (Conclusion) of the World in the Star Temple.
      1. Niki
        Niki 12 March 2014 14: 48
        +2
        it just turns out that ancient proper names (more precisely, not names, but nicknames or nicknames) need to be translated into modern languages ​​and given a normal interpretation in modern terms, which inevitably entails "rewriting history" for each new generation of students.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 March 2014 15: 17
          -2
          Here it is also necessary to clarify 7521 from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple, according to which calendar? On the moon or on the sun? Because 7521 year according to the lunar calendar - according to the solar will be equal to 626 years according to the solar. And this is not some unknown antiquity there, but a very real 14th century, what happened there in the 14th century?
          The fourteenth century is neither more nor less, but the creation of the Russian state. The Russians, led by Dmitry Donskoy, are defeating the combined army of the West, led by Mamaia.
          1. TAGIR
            TAGIR 12 March 2014 16: 03
            0
            To arm the army with the cold steel of that time, iron was needed, but it was not in Mongolia. Scientists have long disproved the Mongol roots of the Golden Horde. Rather, they are ancient Uzbeks ... From Mongolia, Russia can only be reached through Siberia. Even the Suvorov would not have passed through the Himalayas ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 12 March 2014 16: 41
              0
              Quote: TAGIR
              To arm the army with the cold steel of that time, iron was needed, but it was not in Mongolia. Scientists have long disproved the Mongol roots of the Golden Horde. Rather, they are ancient Uzbeks ..

              But there is a lot of iron in the Tatra Mountains, Tatra Tatars, don’t you find that these words are VERY similar? At the same time in eastern Europe there was a knightly Golden Order.
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 12 March 2014 17: 31
            0
            This is according to the solar calendar, the change of the year is September 1, after the end of summer. Now we say: "Pete is 7 years old, for example 8 years old." There are big problems in modern chronology. We have "extra" about 1000 years in digital (did not drink, did not smoke, did not eat mushrooms, the certificate from the psychiatrist was fresh laughing ) back in the 17-18 centuries, the year was set without 1000, for example, the date is written on the map: year 751 from R.Kh.
          3. ReifA
            ReifA 12 March 2014 19: 56
            0
            Judging by the number 7521, it’s rather Jewish.
      2. Valrad
        Valrad 12 March 2014 20: 52
        0
        you can laugh but I also believe my intuition) there was no yoke.
    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 12 March 2014 17: 17
      +1
      Not entirely true. Previously, "horde" meant the armed forces, in the form in which they then existed. So "golden horde" can be roughly translated into modern language as "red army". It's just that the "army" is a subdivision of the Armed Forces, and the "Red Army" is already the entire Armed Forces of the state. The result is "Rus" and "ZO" is the civil power and the Armed Forces. During the campaigns, both branches of government were united in one person. (example I. Stalin and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief) In addition, at that time there was no name we were used to. There were several names and nicknames. (like Dzhugashvili and Stalin). It has survived to this day. I have already written, but I will add, a portrait of Tamerlane, for example.
  • Burmistr
    Burmistr 12 March 2014 14: 25
    +3
    only BanderaFascists will need to first set on a geyropu
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 12 March 2014 14: 33
    +8
    Here to breed a panic! How we lived and will live, only we will be 2-3 regions more.

    I agree with you in your conclusions. These conclusions are based on the fact that the Maidan lived not only on the money of the West, but also of local oligarchs. This issue is not often discussed in the media due not only to the fact that together with Kiev we are building one socio-economic society ... but also due to the certain nationality of these oligarchs. I do not deny that the cause of the events was the task of separating Ukraine from partner-friendly relations with Russia ... not allowing it into the Customs Union under the outer shell ... the idea of ​​combating the stealing Yanukovych regime. But no one has analyzed the reasons for such amicable unification of oligarchs - "sworn friends and partners" (with one abstaining). And the reason for supporting the idea of ​​Ukraine's separation from Russia is also that the Ukrainian oligarchs saw real threats of absorption from the more powerful Russian capital. Ukraine will enter the Customs Union and then all obstacles before the onset of the Russian oligarchs will be removed. This, oddly enough, has some positive aspects. Ukrainian oligarchs understand very well ... how Kiev's entry into direct armed confrontation with Russia will end. After all, the Russian army may not stop ... as in Georgia, on the outskirts of Kiev ... but will decorate the city with our Tricolors. Then, most of the enterprises of these oligarchs in Novorossia can simply be taken away as indemnity ... Therefore, they will be against active hostilities. And for TURCHINOV their words are the LAW! So the hope remains that it will not reach the hot stage in our confrontation.
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  • super-vitek
    super-vitek 12 March 2014 16: 05
    +3
    I agree with everyone !!! A small amendment. Because ordinary peaceful people will fall into the millstones of the conflict, and most likely the bandera will hide behind them, and they will simply hang the loyal Russia !!! What will we do about it ??? And how then to catch these bastards after the victory , they’ll hide among ordinary citizens in burrows, this was already after the Second World War. And I have no doubt in victory, but you can’t hesitate !!!
  • Ross
    Ross 12 March 2014 17: 33
    +1
    Benderofascists already somehow clamp.

    And they are already specifically asking!

    In one of his public speeches, the Ukrainian millionaire, an active supporter of the European integration of Ukraine and the “Right Sector” Gennady Balashov called for the shooting of Russian citizens located in Ukraine with the help of snipers, LifeNews reports.

    “Crimea, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk - this is all our territory, and if there is a Russian citizen with a St. George ribbon that breaks our flag, then he needs to be shot in the head. This is our enemy, do not talk with him! ”Said Balashov in Russian and continued:“ If snipers do not shoot them in the head, they will remain on our land! ”


    More details: http://comstol.info/2014/03/politika/8740
  • tds-8_78
    tds-8_78 12 March 2014 17: 54
    +1
    I agree completely
  • stillrat
    stillrat 12 March 2014 20: 30
    +1
    "Optimism is the essence of a cheerful attitude"
    The problem is that not everyone survived the Mongols, Poles, and other Germans.
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 12 March 2014 21: 01
    +1
    Quote: Turik
    Benderofascists already somehow clamp.
    Such a good, confident hat-making !!! The main mistake in the war is to underestimate the enemy! Hope for the best, count on the worst! The Kiev gang quickly withdrew from the shock, after the Federation Council announced that Putin had been empowered to enforce peace, and quickly took countermeasures, and Poland’s participation could not be discounted. So polite people can and will walk along the streets of Lviv, but you still have to get there!
  • valerei
    valerei 12 March 2014 21: 07
    +3
    Quote: Turik
    Here to breed a panic! How we lived and will live, only we will be in the 2-3 region more. Russia survived the Mongols, ditched the Poles, escorted the Frenchmen, scattered the Turks, buried Hitler.

    Benderofascists already somehow clamp.



    At the beginning of a war, one rarely finds a panicky opinion. each side thinks to win. But in our case, this is not to "kill" the Chechens, but to kill their own people. I do not think that the mercenaries will go into the attack first, and then the Ukrainians and Russians, tk. the goal of our "partners" (as our bosses like to call them) is to make Ukrainians and Russians kill each other. God willing, maybe we will "chew", but how bitter this "dish" will be, because this plate will contain not only Banderites. We can only hope that everything will be limited to a show of force.
  • Sasha1979
    Sasha1979 12 March 2014 23: 44
    0
    Neither add nor diminish. Plus, of course.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 14 March 2014 08: 53
    0
    We’ll start it now. But tomorrow the infection will start arming itself for the money of the United States and then it will go to Russia with such geeks whom the Nazis were afraid of. the east has already been shrouded in fear for their children and relatives.
  • katastrofa
    katastrofa 12 March 2014 12: 43
    +10
    I also read about Turchinov, but only on another site, the question is in another "WHAT IS ANYONE ASKING HIM?", some Yarosh will give a command and rush, so then you can't stop it! This is something we must try to avoid, as I don't know , not a military strategist, but I think analysts at the General Staff have been dealing with this issue for a long time and we have countermeasures!
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 12 March 2014 19: 43
      0
      Quote: katastrofa
      I also read about Turchinov, but only on another site, the question is in another "AND WHO WILL ASK HIM?", some Yarosh will give a command and rush, so that then you can't stop!


      Today Onotole posted a "copy" in LJ:

      From: Vasil Labaychuk
      To: [email protected]
      CC: [email protected]
      Subj: Potentially Thermal Posumi
      Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:20:46 -0700

      Oleg, it’s necessary to make a noise of the name of the airport at Melitopol. Tseba zrobiti up to 15 birch. Sam rosumіshom to whom.
      First, for all you need, call Pashko Tarasenko. This is the fault of the nobility, because of the freedom of the world and the theme of Volodya.
      Before you come 10-12 cotton from the Center. Naikrashchy bіytsі Trident. Head there Mishko, tyogo tezh guilty of the nobility. Details from nyy. The need for people to be safe and secure is necessary.
      Give carefully. Rosmovlyati rosiyskoy my. 25 brigade at a time vikonuє boyovі zavdannya, do not repair the great Skoda litakam. There є bagato scrap metal, you can use a robotic mustache with it. For you, let’s punish you. Necessarily, schob mustache bulo yak dysna attack sushidskogo special forces. Ale without corpses.
      Give me another time. Pennies come immediately, do not boast.
      Marvel at the dodatok. Tse butt diy. Take the richen special.



      From: Igor Protsyk
      To: [email protected]
      Subj: Active dіі at Melitopolі
      Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:50:35 -0700

      Vasil, it’s necessary to conduct an active meeting with Melitopol. There are 25 air transport brigades. The treason to marry our sworn friends and good friends. I’m guessing that it’s less dangerous.
      Just go respectfully and carefully. 25 brigade at a time at the battle stations, so don't fix the great shkodi for the litak. There, there are already pocketed letters, the axis with it can be robotic. Give you the numbers. Pam'yatay, treba, shchob mustache yak attack Russian spetsnaz.
      The brigade commander there is rosy. Details of the nobility will not be possible, but at the extreme times, you can be cursed. Mi yogo in turn.

      --
      COL Igor PROTSYK
      Chief, Bilateral Military Cooperation Division
      Main Directorate for Military Cooperation and PKO
      General Staff, Armed Forces of Ukraine
      tel +38044 481 5407-XNUMX
      cell +38067 407 97 40 XNUMX
      e-mail: [email protected]
      e-mail: [email protected]
  • Asgard
    Asgard 12 March 2014 13: 23
    +51
    Who is Turchinov? a guy from the Russian family, the Komsomol, a member of the CPSU (though they still understood his rotten essence and drove him out)))
    Native language is Russian, was born in Dnepropetrovsk

    The same Sashka Myzychko was born near Perm, then the family moved to Rivne, where he had problems with the Criminal Code of the USSR, the urka, who learned ukromova, was not excluded in places of deprivation of liberty and was recruited by special services, because he behaves very impudently (he thinks that they will cover) and apparently supervise ....

    Wait, such a time, People from nowhere become Presidents, of course not just like that, “smart” aside OBSERVE .... (what if it’s a ride and it can still be led by People)))))
    But I look at our Military Observer and see that People’s tendencies began to prevail, there were less transitions to personalities, the so-called Khokhlosrach))) monosyllabic comments still prevail beyond which there is no knowledge, but there are MASTERPIECES that enrich reading People, reforging consciousness, killing slaves and herd animals in humans,
    Although I tried to appeal to People here, but I didn’t support much ...... you are still slaves, but on the threshold of War, Sasha Bely (music) has a machine gun, and you are still individually or huddled in flocks of sheep that do not have their opinions and comments on the team are considered unprofitable))))
    Although in fact, if you read carefully, the letters will format your brain for Life,
    but not for survival - how long ....

    kill in yourself turchinovyh and little music, the time of Judas ends, write less on the number of posts, but it’s useful, try to post at least some kind of information, in the English-language forums, get something out of the fields of Ukraine, your opinion (more expanded)))
    Try to be helpful ........
    each other))))))))
    1. muginov2015
      muginov2015 12 March 2014 13: 35
      +4
      Asgard (5) kill the turchins and music in yourself, the time of Judas ends, write less
      ... Well, at least one adequate post against the background of the rabid hatred of urapatriots. Just open the history textbook and compare it with the outbreak of the Russo-Japanese war. The same srach in the newspaper and the minds, the same rejection of the opinions of others is the only difference; then there was a difference Japanese shrimp, now ukrosrach.
    2. DMB-78
      DMB-78 12 March 2014 15: 10
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      because it behaves very brazenly (thinks that they will cover it))

      he has long been friends with the Klitschko brothers. that's where the cover comes from. Photo is avaiable.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 12 March 2014 16: 28
        +4
        Quote: DMB-78
        he has long been friends with the Klitschko brothers. that's where the cover comes from. Photo is avaiable.

        is not?
        1. DMB-78
          DMB-78 12 March 2014 16: 50
          +1
          Quote: JonnyT
          is not?

          yes the same
        2. _Krechet_
          _Krechet_ 13 March 2014 12: 38
          0
          It seems that there are "bulls" of organized crime groups at the edges
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  • Grandfather Victor
    Grandfather Victor 12 March 2014 13: 31
    +10
    In no case do not believe Turchinov! This is an attempt to reassure Crimea and Russia, to ensure a surprise attack on the Crimea!
  • maks-101
    maks-101 12 March 2014 13: 40
    +6
    Turchinov - "parsley" from the overseas booth. Eats, drinks, shits on command
    he is not parsley but a hamburger rooster. When the shot teams will recruit, I will first sign up.
    1. Luga
      Luga 12 March 2014 16: 21
      +1
      Quote: maks-xnumx
      shot teams

      winked
      I would not dare to sign up smile
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 12 March 2014 13: 42
    +3
    Quote: RND
    Turchinov - "parsley" from the overseas booth. Eats, drinks, shits on command.

    Exactly, like a vane-cock in the farthest wind from Washington ... laughing
  • Gloria45
    Gloria45 12 March 2014 14: 17
    +7
    A video appeared on the Internet in which the acting "president" of Ukraine, Alexander Turchinov, is absolutely incoherently discussing the Bible.
    The politician on the video literally enters into a rage. Talking about the kings Herod and Solomon, the concubines of the latter, someone’s “golden bells and whistles”, the Lebanese cedars from which the Temple was built and about God - he squints, whispers, hangs on, pathetically appeals to the Lord. The impression, of course, is unforgettable.
    And this despite the fact that the United States and the EU consider it the most legitimate and adequate.
    komsomol'skaya pravda, a vot video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcL8DTt4L_Y
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 12 March 2014 15: 32
    +2
    They called Odessa as the main base of the Ukrainian Navy. They said goodbye to Crimea, but they will let the bubbles
  • SerAll
    SerAll 12 March 2014 21: 58
    +3
    In Crimea, the latest Leer-2 electronic warfare machine was spotted. So, at the Kerch ferry, the newest mobile automated complex for technical monitoring, radio-electronic simulation and jamming “Leer-2 ″, based on the multi-purpose vehicle“ Tiger-M ”MKTK REI PP, was noticed.
    The latest complex is intended primarily for radio reconnaissance of radio sources, jamming and radio suppression of radio electronic means (RES) of the enemy.
    In addition, the complex allows you to create a real jamming environment, simulate the work of various RES, as well as assess the electromagnetic situation during the conduct of combat training.
    The crew of Leer-2 consists of two people: a driver and an operator. The speed of the highway is up to 140 km / h.
  • skifd
    skifd 12 March 2014 23: 38
    +6
    Kuban 12.03.2014:

  • AVV
    AVV 13 March 2014 11: 19
    0
    Quote: RND
    Hs487 RU Today, 09:26
    Turchinov will not enter Ukrainian troops in the Crimea

    Turchinov - "parsley" from the overseas booth. Eats, drinks, shits on command.

    Turchinov with his entourage is a living troupe, and all sorts of trips to Washington, only bring its end closer, remember Sakaashvili and where is he now ???
  • a52333
    a52333 12 March 2014 12: 35
    +12
    Motzk at Turchinov turns into "ON" on Wednesday before lunch. Need to remember laughing
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 12 March 2014 12: 42
    +92
    It means to be Russophobic Poland No. 2? sad Eh ... will have to retreat to the East, to Russia. I do not have 30 yet, and I have already seen in life from pioneers to Russian-speaking Russophobes among relatives. And everything is accelerated - in the 1 generation. I want to go somewhere near Kostroma to a remote village, so that the news does not reach there, as the Southeast over the years will become Bandera ...
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 12 March 2014 12: 52
      +24
      Nevsky come to me in Omsk here around the wilderness.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 12 March 2014 13: 02
        +18
        Quote: nemec55
        Nevsky come to me in Omsk here around the wilderness.


        And if you seriously come? I have no time for joking ... sad
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 12 March 2014 14: 20
          +3
          Nevsky_ZU "And if I seriously come? I have no time for jokes for a long time .."
          Why not in the Crimea, how will everything settle down? It will be closer to you. And the climate is like yours.
          If you go to Siberia, then to the south of the Altai Territory - it's a little warmer there))).
        2. DMB-78
          DMB-78 12 March 2014 15: 37
          +2
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          And if you seriously come? I have no time for joking ...

          a lot of Kazakhstan came to us in Lipetsk. Do not regret. I think and from Ukraine will
        3. Cynic
          Cynic 12 March 2014 17: 27
          +2
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          But if I come seriously?

          http://www.ruvek.info/?module=regions&action=view&id=85
          И
          http://www.ruvek.info/?module=pages&action=view&id=13
          The Internet portal "Russian Century" was created by order of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and is aimed at compatriots living abroad. The project executor is the Institute of Russian Abroad.
        4. Papakiko
          Papakiko 12 March 2014 17: 37
          +1
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          I have no time for jokes

          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          I want somewhere in the outskirts of Kostroma in a remote village so that news does not reach there, as the Southeast over the years will become Bandera.

          Vyacheslav.
          Aren't you ashamed to RUN?
          After your victory, NATO will come to us and you will run too?
          Do we also have to pack our bags to start or prepare to defend our lands?
          Galician banderlog is not in a rush to Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk to measure "great Ukraine".
          Relatives live in Kharkiv and Donetsk and like a prayer in unison: "Least would not shoot, leash would not shoot."
          "pride" is bursting with such servility.
          For 20 years, the complete dullness of the whole country. crying

          banderlogs and maydaunas showed by their example that the fear of the fate of slaves and new roads is overpowered by the walking and desperately brave.
        5. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 12 March 2014 20: 35
          +1
          I advise you first to study the Old, about what specialists are required and where. OMSK I do not advise engineers, there are no places and zp small ones.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 12 March 2014 13: 03
        +17
        Quote: nemec55
        Nevsky come to me in Omsk here around the wilderness.

        stop Calm down! You have not seen Pelym yet! I invite you to Pelym! Arrange.
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        2. sscha
          sscha 12 March 2014 13: 44
          +7
          Explain, fellow countryman, that this is Ural! And then for the guys the word "Pelym" evokes associations with Kolyma! wink hi
          1. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 12 March 2014 14: 23
            +2
            sscha "Explain, fellow countryman, that this is Ural! And then for the guys the word" Pelym "evokes associations with the Kolyma"
            Northern Urals ... Northern.
            As for the Kolyma))) ... so Ivdellag was not far away.
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 12 March 2014 14: 36
            +3
            Quote: sscha
            And then for the guys the word "Pelym" evokes associations with Kolyma!

            The difference in geography, of course, is significant ... yes But essentially ... repeat Plus: there Gazprom !!! - good
        3. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 12 March 2014 14: 21
          +2
          pensioner "Calm down! You have not seen Pelym yet! I invite you to Pelym! We will arrange it."
          Okay, at least you don’t call a person in Ous.))) Or Ivdel there.)))
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 12 March 2014 14: 45
            +3
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Well, at least not in Ous you call a person.)))

            laughing laughing laughing
            I understood humor ... But the rest will have to explain for a long time: what's what ...
            Once I lived in Ous for a month. How we stayed alive - we still don't understand! Well, to the heap they remembered the movie "Groundhog Day" ... yes
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 12 March 2014 15: 57
              0
              pensioner "Once I lived in Ous for a month. How we stayed alive - we still don't understand! Well, we remembered the film" Groundhog Day "to the heap .."
              I lived in those parts for some time at the Geological station, aka Komsomolsky, aka Yugorsk.
              So that after reading Pelym could not help joking.)))
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 12 March 2014 18: 38
                0
                Quote: Nagaibak
                p. Komsomolsky, aka Yugorsk.

                Well so it is almost a civilization !! In the sense of Art. Pioneer, Art. Soviet ... And all that is nearby ... Contact!
                1. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak 12 March 2014 20: 13
                  +1
                  pensioner "Well Duc IT'S almost a civilization !! In the sense of Pionerskaya, Soviet ... And everything is near ... Contact!"
                  Well, in Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug civilization is almost everywhere. Although there are villages where they still drown with wood. Probably not one, not two, not one dozen ...
                  And that region in the Sverdlovsk region, in connection with the road finally built, also ceased to be a bear angle. In autumn 2013, put into operation. They promised to build 30 km of road and pass it still seems ... in 2009. Only that year in the fall completed.
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 12 March 2014 20: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: Nagaibak
                    that land in the Sverdlovsk region, in connection with the road finally built, also ceased to be a bear angle. In autumn 2013, put into operation. They promised to build 30 km of road and pass it still seems ... in 2009. Only that year in the fall completed.

                    Everything is right! The road of Khanty-Mansiysk-- Ivdel is! With how much we traveled along the winter roads through the gas pipeline in winter: both along the new corridor and along the old ... How many traveled along the road under construction (Well, they didn’t let anyone in! ... Well, except for us ...)! And my habitable place: from Lyavdinki to a new corridor (about 25 km ...) ... The caterpillar equipment was overloaded there and forward! To New Lyavdika. In the spring - 4-5 hours drive ...
                    1. Nagaibak
                      Nagaibak 13 March 2014 07: 04
                      +1
                      pensioner "How many have traveled along this road under construction (Well, nobody was allowed! ... Well, except for us ...)!"
                      That's for sure! Under the brick and go!))) And where to go? And after all, traffic cops could not stop anyone. Only managed to draw up protocols.
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 12 March 2014 17: 21
        +1
        Quote: nemec55
        come to me in Omsk here we are surrounded by wilderness.

        Residents of the Omsk region opened the hunt for chupacabra

        http://www.om1.ru/news/entertainment/25226/
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 12 March 2014 12: 54
      +7
      Yes, you will not be envied, but the army with the scarlet banner is ready to help, hold on bro for a short while!
    3. ele1285
      ele1285 12 March 2014 12: 54
      +69
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      I want somewhere
      1. Turik
        Turik 12 March 2014 13: 15
        +19
        You know, I feel sorry for a little Obama.
        He thought he would become the first US president to reconcile with the Russians, HEALTH CARE in America correct.

        And here Putin in manure as a demobilization of spirit, heaped out with a hefty Russian tarpaulin boot, also jumping to the end.

        In Syria, the poor girl could not bomb anyone - in the West they are already glad that Assad is sitting there, and not a gang of terrorists. In Ukraine, too, a bummer - instead of NATO missiles, tricolors flicker. With Europe, they completely broke up because of the bucks.

        It's hard to be president in the USA.
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    4. Voinnet
      Voinnet 12 March 2014 13: 06
      0
      As a resident of Kostroma, I will say that there is nothing to do here, the city is dying, the district too ((
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 12 March 2014 13: 15
        +28
        Quote: Voinnet
        As a resident of Kostroma, I will say that there is nothing to do here, the city is dying, the district too ((


        And it does not stop me. If only people around who speak Russian and have Russian surnames, did not consider themselves to be some other people with a different history, and did not demolish monuments, and pointedly did not switch to another language for a couple of hours until the convolutions started to hurt.
        1. Voinnet
          Voinnet 12 March 2014 13: 23
          +7
          Well, I myself have a Ukrainian surname and Ukrainian roots ... I actually love Kostroma, I am young, I dream of a house in the village, but the villages die ((.. there are no serious enterprises in the city, the youth are leaving .. it's a pity ... the city is beautiful, although it is mired in mud .. and nature, recently traveled to the Caucasus, beautifully, but nevertheless, the native birches are closer)
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 15 March 2014 11: 19
            0
            Quote: Voinnet
            There are no serious enterprises in the city.

            Have you tried to open a private business? Perhaps the youth will catch up.
        2. Kuvabatake
          Kuvabatake 12 March 2014 14: 04
          +3
          And I like Kazan ...
          1. alex-s
            alex-s 12 March 2014 15: 08
            0
            Me too! Especially after the Universiade!
        3. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 12 March 2014 15: 09
          +4
          There is a place for everyone in Russia, it was not long ago shown in the outback where a black man from Africa lives, he lives happily, I’ve never said such grace and couldn’t dream in Africa. He farms a little and everything is fine with him, he married a Russian ...
    5. TAMERLAN 7
      TAMERLAN 7 12 March 2014 13: 09
      +24
      Bandera has been preparing for years, but we don’t have time for organization. In western Ukraine, in general, one has only to rock the boat - they will catch! And I want to confront them, but until it comes out. The only chance is a single pro-Russian candidate. Now the votes will diminish with the departure of the Crimea. It’s hard, but if we start to retreat, we’ll get to Moscow: from Ukraine, the Caucasus, the Far East, Kazan .....
      RUSSIA WHERE WE ARE RUSSIAN! Tired of being silent and retreating, as in the 41st!
      1. Havoc
        Havoc 12 March 2014 13: 31
        +8
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        RUSSIA WHERE WE ARE RUSSIAN! Tired of being silent and retreating, as in the 41st!

        It was 41g but there was 45g.
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    7. Skaramaks
      Skaramaks 12 March 2014 13: 17
      +3
      Nevsky, come to us on the Volga in N. Novgorod, We have the wilderness beyond the River and the civility of the Highlands!
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      2. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 12 March 2014 15: 45
        +2
        We have the wilderness beyond the River and the civility of the Highlands!
        You would then post a couple of photos before calling a person to you.
        1. DMB-78
          DMB-78 12 March 2014 16: 20
          0
          Quote: Gomunkul
          You would then post a couple of photos before calling a person to you.

          photo here, by the way, I invite everyone, you will not regret it)
          1. DMB-78
            DMB-78 12 March 2014 16: 54
            0
            Quote: DMB-78
            photo here, by the way, I invite everyone, you will not regret it)

            forgot to give a link))))) http://www.kids-in-trips.ru/puteshestvie-na-kudikinu-goru.html
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      4. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 12 March 2014 15: 47
        +1
        There is also such a view. hi
      5. Maxsh
        Maxsh 12 March 2014 15: 52
        0
        Ohhh, yeah, you have beauties there !! Was in the year before last - according to Kerzhenets they rafted))
    8. sovety
      sovety 12 March 2014 13: 20
      +1
      With such a position, a strong Power will not be
    9. Thompson
      Thompson 12 March 2014 15: 47
      +2
      Of course it would be more useful to crush them there, on the spot and send to us in Kolyma, to raise Siberia further! And you will have a calm village and a quiet, sweet, Native corner! If the Russians rose for the Russians, you Ukrainians to rise for Ukraine, against Bandera and fascism, God himself ordered!
      And with logic, my hut is on the edge ... you can’t live anywhere
    10. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 12 March 2014 21: 48
      0
      Sucks to live in times of change.
  • Tanysh
    Tanysh 12 March 2014 12: 46
    +12
    But is it not an attempt to throw the word of Turchinov into disinformation?
    Banderlog now more than ever needs a mess, otherwise people will come to their senses, they won’t survive for long without salaries and pensions.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 March 2014 13: 11
    +22
    Quote: Hs487
    Turchinov will not enter Ukrainian troops in the Crimea

    I wonder at you and those who put the pluses to you. Are you really so naive or pretending to be? Who is Turchinov ????? The people are completely stupefied if they believe the words of this clown. Ukraine is not so rich that it would now throw millions of dollars into the wind pulling together the Crimea. Mobilization also costs money, a question for what it is all for yourself. Answer yourself and then give links to it fool Saakashvilli a few hours before he gave the order to start the warriors, spoke on TV and said that there would be no warriors.
    1. Black
      Black 12 March 2014 13: 22
      +5
      Quote: Hs487
      Turchinov will not enter Ukrainian troops in the Crimea


      I remember Galstukoed on the eve of 080808 recalled the world !!!
    2. sovety
      sovety 12 March 2014 13: 23
      +1
      She was not ...
      There was a "peace enforcement"
    3. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 12 March 2014 14: 15
      +6
      Oleksandr Romanov "Ukraine is not so rich that it would now throw millions of dollars down the drain, pulling together the troops in Crimea. Mobilization also costs money, the question is why all this."
      These troops will stand at Perekop and vigorously applaud the referendum in Crimea.)))
      1. soldier:
        soldier: 12 March 2014 14: 49
        +2
        They have fuel until mid-April. And the pickup is pickup.
      2. soldier:
        soldier: 12 March 2014 14: 49
        +1
        They have fuel until mid-April. And the pickup is pickup.
        1. witch
          witch 13 March 2014 00: 11
          0
          so it’s they brought metal to the Russian borders (after the referendum the border moves) the equipment. because then they won’t bring the money, but for the export itself, if ours goes a lot, the price will drop iron))
  • katastrofa
    katastrofa 12 March 2014 13: 16
    +2
    but what is said by Tenyukh (commander in chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine)

    Tenyukh reported that a rotation of Russian troops is taking place in Crimea.

    Russia rotates the military on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to prevent the appearance of loyalty on the part of the personnel to the local population, said the acting Minister of Defense of Ukraine Igor Tenyukh before a meeting of the Cabinet, reports RBC-Ukraine news agency.

    "The rotation is underway. Now the special forces are being exchanged for mechanized battalions. There is also a tendency ... to bring special forces there from Chechnya," Tenyukh noted.

    According to him, the rotation of personnel, among other things, is connected with the fact that the Russian military, who have been in Ukraine for a long time, are becoming more loyal to the local population.

    In addition, the acting Minister of Defense said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ready to repel attacks on the eastern and southern borders, but they hope for a peaceful solution to the conflict.

    "As a military man, we envisage both the eastern option and the southern option. But all issues must be resolved at the diplomatic level," the Defense Minister said at a government meeting on Wednesday, March 12.

    According to Tenyukh, it was with the aim of resolving the issue at the level of negotiations that the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk went to the United States, "in order to resolve the situation precisely by diplomatic means."


    afraid !!! most likely they will make a scapegoat out of him if a mess starts !!!
    1. Niki
      Niki 12 March 2014 13: 35
      +2
      Everyone is scared ... Yes, but Yatsenyuk ye ... l and seized the gold reserve in the end
    2. Slavapom
      Slavapom 12 March 2014 13: 41
      +2
      Well, let's just say, Tenyukh can still get out if he gives the order to surrender to the Crimea authorities =)
    3. Slavapom
      Slavapom 12 March 2014 13: 41
      +1
      Well, let's just say, Tenyukh can still get out if he gives the order to surrender to the Crimea authorities =)
    4. cumastra1
      cumastra1 12 March 2014 14: 01
      +8
      Still, the United States needs to be afraid. It is their anti-missiles that will appear in Kharkov. The population of the southeast did not rise to fight with Bandera. What is their choice. Soon the Russians will be forced to kill their own relatives. And the gang will lead this. Who's guilty? The local elite, which is justified by .. for fear of arming the people, and for fear of losing warm places. Well, the people themselves, of course, if they don’t give weapons, they take them by force.
      1. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 12 March 2014 19: 45
        0
        What are they afraid of.
        http://warfiles.ru/show-49753-sravnenie-i-realnoe-sostoyanie-vooruzhennyh-sil-ss
        ha.html laughing
    5. cumastra1
      cumastra1 12 March 2014 14: 01
      0
      Still, the United States needs to be afraid. It is their anti-missiles that will appear in Kharkov. The population of the southeast did not rise to fight with Bandera. What is their choice. Soon the Russians will be forced to kill their own relatives. And the gang will lead this. Who's guilty? The local elite, which is justified by .. for fear of arming the people, and for fear of losing warm places. Well, the people themselves, of course, if they don’t give weapons, they take them by force.
    6. skifd
      skifd 12 March 2014 16: 35
      0
      Quote: katastrofa
      In addition, the acting Minister of Defense said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ready to repel attacks on the eastern and southern borders, but they hope for a peaceful solution to the conflict.


      In the meantime:

      "Anonimous: the United States and the General Staff of Ukraine are preparing a sabotage

      2014.03.12 environment print version
      Anonimous: US and General Staff of Ukraine are preparing a diversion
      Anonimous hackers have published the hacked correspondence between the military attaché in Ukraine Jason Gresh and a high-ranking official of the Ukrainian General Staff Igor Protsyuk. "We hacked e-mails ... It looks like they are planning a series of attacks on Ukrainian military bases in order to destabilize the situation," the hackers write. They, having laid out files of correspondence


      and with reliable DKIM (as you know, it is impossible to forge specialized Google mail), they say that an American adviser writes to the Ukrainian General Staff that “the time has come to implement a plan that involves creating problems at transport hubs in southeastern Ukraine in order to frame a neighbor (Russia). will create favorable conditions for the Pentagon to act. " .... "

      In full:

      http://www.politonline.ru/rssArticle/20841652.html
    7. kush62
      kush62 12 March 2014 16: 45
      +2
      And here are the words of Turchinov, and here are the words of Tenyukh. And there were still words that NATO would not move to the borders of the USSR. You can not believe not overseas and especially their mongrel. In this case, it is better to overdo it, than to overdo it. Be vigilant, the enemy is not asleep !!!
  • RUS96
    RUS96 12 March 2014 14: 13
    +1
    Do not make me angry, and there’s nowhere to hide the corpses!
  • vlrosch
    vlrosch 12 March 2014 14: 42
    0
    HA HA HA. But how else to get loot from the West?
  • vlrosch
    vlrosch 12 March 2014 14: 42
    0
    HA HA HA. But how else to get loot from the West?
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  • Thompson
    Thompson 12 March 2014 15: 27
    0
    When already provoke, tired of waiting.! People are nervous!
    1. TEODOR
      TEODOR 12 March 2014 16: 45
      0
      Ukraine faces the threat of a full-scale invasion of its territory. On the border with Ukraine is the 80 thousandth group of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This was announced at a briefing by the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, Andrei Parubiy, UNIAN reports.

      According to Parubiy, the group has up to 270 tanks, armored combat vehicles - up to 180, artillery systems - up to 380, multiple launch rocket systems - up to 18, combat aircraft - up to 140, attack helicopters - up to 90, warships and boats - up to 19 " ...

      "Of these, from the Northern Polesie direction - up to two groups with a total number of up to 8 thousand personnel, up to 170 tanks, up to 520 armored combat vehicles, up to 120 artillery systems, up to 40 aircraft and up to 20 helicopters. This group is located in close proximity to the Ukrainian border, and in fact - a few hours of travel to the capital of Ukraine Kiev, "- said Parubiy.

      Several more groups, the NSDC secretary noted, "are located from the Eastern Slobodskoy direction, South Donetsk, Zaporozhye directions, on the territory of the Krasnodar Territory, as well as on the territory of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic."

      Parubiy recalled that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are on full combat readiness and are conducting planned exercises. "Some of them have been redeployed to the exercise sites, where they can most quickly and efficiently respond to the challenges that Ukraine faces today," the NSDC secretary said.

      Answering a question from journalists, Parubiy noted that "today our units are located in such a way that we could repel attacks from any direction."
      http://news.liga.net/news/politics/999728-ukraina_pered_ugrozoy_masshtabnogo_vto
      rzheniya_parubiy.htm

      Yeah, all 6000 people))
  • Su24
    Su24 12 March 2014 17: 13
    -2
    Hysterical article in the style "everything is gone." And, which is typical, no specifics.

    After a week of active, but completely unsuccessful protests by residents of the Southeast


    Only if the only possible success is considered immediate accession to Russia. Russian protests in the southeast were successful, we saw how our people occupied administrations, set Russian flags, and drove away the chiefs appointed by Kiev. This is just the beginning.
    P. S. And stop writing already that Kiev is sleeping and sees how to start a war. The attack on the Crimea is the worst scenario for the rebels, they will by all means avoid it.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 12 March 2014 19: 06
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsAhxVnNWag&list=UUrvYgzJEztQ5afwNpFYBvng&feature
    = share
  • igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 12 March 2014 22: 10
    0
    Hi, This is the result of all these expectations, Kiev is on the verge of a foul but quickly, Looking back six years ago I am convinced that we do not have a clear and coherent policy, We again step on the same rake, We then back in 2008 08, 08 completely blew out the information war, We were lucky then that the French could fit in and spoil all the mess that the Yankees were steeply brewing, Now obviously this will not be possible, from the very beginning a year ago we started losing to Ukraine, We did not learn the lessons of that war in terms of information learned, And she goes ahead of all actions, Of course, I am bitterly aware that our specialists in the information war are obvious losers, Defense is a sign that we are to blame and this postulate is being run around in Ukraine, In general, it seems that quick events just pull our elite, they do not oppose anything can, Calculate the options how events will go, our government couldn’t see it clearly, But now finding a very good option doesn’t give it time itself, it’s not enough, Economically, we will it’s more difficult, our economy will go even lower too much tied to Ukraine, the East they will take in tight pressure and will bring down the protest movement, these are the things, Expressed in a different HORNY CASE,
  • allexx83
    allexx83 12 March 2014 23: 26
    +3
    To believe Turchinov is not to respect yourself. The Ukrainian army is preparing for something. Nobody wants to fight, but they will follow the order. After eating the US psychostimulants and under the supervision of the Pravosek commissars. Mobilization is underway in central and eastern Ukraine. There are volunteers (enough - Russian-speaking!). First of all, they will throw the residents of regions loyal to Russia into battle to incite hatred. In the media, there is only talk about "occupiers" (by the way, hysteria, it seems to me, is connected with the diversion of attention from the agreement with the IMF, the terms of which have not been announced).
    It is hoped that, after all, the rest of the considerations are enough not to get involved.
    P.S. And the state of the material base, thanks to corruption !!! laughing
  • Alexander Ekb
    Alexander Ekb 13 March 2014 00: 36
    0
    And what is the Ukrainian army today? What can she oppose Russian?
  • Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 12 March 2014 12: 06
    +24
    Well, let's see when they start firing, the troops have already reached the isthmus. Or tonight after the statement of Yatsenyuk and Obama, or from 15 to 16 before the referendum, there is no other option
    1. Retx
      Retx 12 March 2014 12: 36
      +8
      Do they even realize that their entire attacking group will turn into mincemeat right on the isthmus? Anyone who gives such an order will become a criminal and a murderer.
      1. vlad0
        vlad0 12 March 2014 13: 13
        +6
        In 1980, in Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, after the revolution, solved the problem of the rolling economic crisis and an overabundance of revolutionary-minded masses simply: he sent his "maydauns" to war on Iraq. With sticks and green bands on his forehead, "Allah Akbar" - on the Iraqi machine guns. The revolutionaries were well thinned out there.
        We see something similar even now, after 35 years in Ukraine. The local junta urgently needs an external enemy - to distract from internal problems, and war - for at least a temporary consolidation of the population.
        1. DMB-78
          DMB-78 12 March 2014 16: 22
          0
          Quote: vlad0
          In 1980, in Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, after the revolution, solved the problem of the rolling economic crisis and an overabundance of revolutionary-minded masses simply: he sent his "maydauns" to war on Iraq. With sticks and green bands on his forehead, "Allah Akbar" - on the Iraqi machine guns. The revolutionaries were well thinned out there.
          We see something similar even now, after 35 years in Ukraine. The local junta urgently needs an external enemy - to distract from internal problems, and war - for at least a temporary consolidation of the population.

          and Mao transplanted his hunweibins laughing
      2. arane
        arane 12 March 2014 13: 27
        +7
        Americans and so are criminals and killers. At the same time massive. They will not be scared, but will only be pleased with the fratricidal war.
        By what I see, even with my own eyes, Russia understands this and is preparing.
        In general, nifiga is not funny ....
      3. Niki
        Niki 12 March 2014 13: 37
        +1
        Who gave the order in Georgia and how is he feeling now? Apparently everything is fine with him. Ukraine fights with his struggle, and he observes and comments.
      4. Kuvabatake
        Kuvabatake 12 March 2014 14: 10
        +1
        They are criminals and killers anyway. What do they lose? With a fool can go vabank. A lover of ties also thought that he would break the Russian Armed Forces easily and without compulsion.
        1. raven75
          raven75 12 March 2014 16: 56
          +4
          No, it is unlikely that Sukashvili thought that he would break the Russian Armed Forces, he certainly was not friends with his head, but not to such an extent, too different weight categories. Something like a snotty frail youngster against F. Emelianenko. And here, reassured by the assurances of the West that Russia would not intervene, the West would not, it could well have been. I forgot, moron, that nothing is new under the moon. In 1939, Poland, also reassured by the West, having lost all ties with reality, barked at Germany and the USSR.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 12 March 2014 18: 17
            0
            Quote: raven75
            reassured by the assurances of the West that Russia will not intervene,

            If the Roki tunnel had been blown up, it is not yet known how it was.
            According to semi-official information, like three subversive groups were sent to complete this task!
            And like Mishiko asked for a Yusov missile strike on the tunnel.
            And what? Some disappeared, while others escaped with words!
            History teaches us that no one wants to learn!
          2. stayer
            stayer 12 March 2014 18: 37
            +2
            I agree with you. Sukashvili is not in the sense that he did not think to break the Russian Armed Forces. He simply believed the west that they would support him. After all, just before the onset of Candolysis, she came to visit him and made friends.
            I think that the authorities in Kiev also understand that they can’t cope with the Russian Armed Forces in any way. But it will be the greatest mistake if they believe the West that he will support them.
            When the west smells of fried, it will merge them just like Sukashvili leaked.
            In this case, they will only have to chew on ties.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 12 March 2014 18: 43
              +1
              Quote: stayer
              just as Sukashvili leaked.

              A more recent example, the draining of the agreement of February 21 and Yanukovych!
      5. Cynic
        Cynic 12 March 2014 17: 36
        0
        Quote: RETX
        Anyone who gives such an order will become a criminal and a murderer.

        You might think that they are no longer criminals or killers.
        They will do anything to avoid getting on the bunks!
        hi
    2. small
      small 12 March 2014 13: 02
      +5
      Natsiks love mysticism, numerology therefore I think the order for provocation will be given either to 13 (a damn dozen), or to 14.03.14/08.08.08/XNUMX (by analogy to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX).
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 12 March 2014 13: 13
        +24
        Quote: small
        Natsiks love mysticism, numerology, so I think the order for provocation will be given either 13 (a damn dozen), or 14.03.14/08.08.08/XNUMX (by analogy XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)

        Rather, they will wait for the 14.14.14. and will not give an order in connection with the date not due wink
  • Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 12 March 2014 12: 11
    +41
    I see three reasons why Putin can give orders to the troops - the massacre in the South-East, the beginning of hostilities of the Armed Forces, the attempt to send NATO troops. There will be no other way. The East itself is to blame for its disorganization and indecision. In many respects, this is a miscalculation of Russia - for a long time it was necessary to work with pro-Russian groups (not shy of anything) as opposed to Western. The absence or lack of this is now apparent. I think the conclusions have already been made by the relevant analysts and authorities - maybe, Russia borders not only Ukraine.
    1. Irtysh
      Irtysh 12 March 2014 12: 43
      +35
      For a long time it was not possible to work with pro-Russian forces. Russia is still rising from its knees.

      Everything will be done gradually, first Crimea, then SEI and the center of Ukraine. There, Moldova and the Baltic states will catch up, and on their own. Western capitalism is not an ideal system, and moreover, it begins to stall and collapse. The dollar system is already out of date.

      So, we continue to equip our home, return to normal education, cut the wings of corruption and develop our economy. And the fragments will come back.
      1. Capyar 48315
        Capyar 48315 12 March 2014 12: 51
        +6
        and WHAT At the beginning of 00 during the Orange Revolution there was no strength? or could not be supposed? Or can't you do a lot in a decade? and as practice shows, such work is relatively inexpensive
    2. internatio
      internatio 12 March 2014 12: 46
      +62
      I agree with you. Enrolled in the protection of the Crimean referendum. This is the minimum that I can now officially. I handed over tickets to Ukraine - it’s not time to go even on important matters. But very, very worried about my native Eastern. They are really harder than us.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 12 March 2014 12: 48
        +23
        Quote: internatio
        I agree with you. Enrolled in the protection of the Crimean referendum. This is the minimum that I can now officially. I handed over tickets to Ukraine - it’s not time to go even on important matters. But very, very worried about my native Eastern. They are really harder than us.


        Lucky you with the Crimean registration wink Probably even the sky and the earth already looks different than before. Russian spirit is felt ... drinks
      2. TAMERLAN 7
        TAMERLAN 7 12 March 2014 13: 13
        +43
        I envy you kindly, I’m in Transcarpathia! Hold on, we are with you! If we are driven to war, I will shoot, but in the other direction (for Russia, mother!)!
        1. Cossacks
          Cossacks 12 March 2014 14: 00
          +2
          As the mood in the region. Served in your area.
          1. TAMERLAN 7
            TAMERLAN 7 12 March 2014 15: 15
            +12
            Indigenous Transcarpathians (especially lowland areas), as always: are phlegmatic, calm, tolerant and unfriendly towards the new government, although they try not to express their fear of it. But in the mountainous regions (especially the east of Transcarpathia), rare pearls are found. Recently I heard the arguments of such a mountaineer about Kozhedub, saying that he shot down 64 planes if in the 41st 275 German planes attacked the USSR and 270 .... flew back ... (complete insanity). I could not stand it - intervened, proved. The Highlander fell silent. It feels like he still doesn’t believe!

            Young people are worried - a complete lack of understanding, brainwashed or absent! Our Russian channels have been cut off, except for "honest" Ukrainian news, there is nothing, and young people on the Internet just play the fool and sit in contacts. I explain, sometimes it comes. Who was born under the USSR is easier.

            A lot of people came from Lviv, they are very aggressive, they came across a couple of times ...
            Explain or prove is not possible.
        2. Cossacks
          Cossacks 12 March 2014 14: 00
          +1
          As the mood in the region. Served in your area.
        3. Kuvabatake
          Kuvabatake 12 March 2014 14: 17
          +3
          Don't be so rude. How do they teach at the "Driving School"? Gather sympathizers around, capture commanders and secret documents with maps and across the front line ... fellow
          1. TAMERLAN 7
            TAMERLAN 7 12 March 2014 15: 21
            +2
            I hope you don’t have to, but if you have to, we’ll do it .... soldier
      3. sscha
        sscha 12 March 2014 13: 40
        +4
        But I've been on the Berdyansk website! I highly recommend on the advice of "Nevsky _ZU"
        I wrote down there in discussions something under the name -Ural. hi
    3. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 12 March 2014 12: 50
      +6
      Quote: KapYar 48315
      I see three reasons why Putin can give an order to the troops - the massacre in the South-East, the beginning of hostilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, an attempt to bring in NATO troops. <...>

      The first reason does not work anymore, since we will only learn about the facts and the extent of ethnic and ideological cleansing when we ourselves have cleaned up the garbage can into which this beautiful country has turned over the past 20 years.

      Article plus. The author directly reads my thoughts (or I have him).
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 12 March 2014 12: 59
        +2
        As Napoleon Bonaparte used to say, the main thing is to get into a fight, then we'll figure it out!
        1. Aleksandr12
          Aleksandr12 12 March 2014 14: 33
          +2
          So he got into a habit of fighting with Russia on its territory and lost the entire army))). Rushing a bear in his den, it will immediately become his lunch. laughing
    4. Orik
      Orik 12 March 2014 13: 23
      +14
      Quote: KapYar 48315
      The East itself is to blame for its disorganization and indecision. In many respects, this is a miscalculation of Russia - for a long time it was necessary to work with pro-Russian groups (not shy of anything) as opposed to Western. The absence or lack of this is now apparent. I think the conclusions have already been made by the relevant analysts and authorities - maybe, Russia borders not only Ukraine.

      If pro-Western groups intensely financed all the years of non-fallowing, the Russians crushed both during the USSR and during the non-fallowing. It’s easy to scream from the couch, and you try to get out when everything is against you by the SBU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Bandera, the oligarchic private security companies, the bureaucratic vertical, a significant part of society, the army is not clear for whom. The Russians were left to their own devices, in the same Crimea there were six centers of Russian culture with a staff of 36 people, and now there are 6 who guard the buildings.
      Russians in Ukraine were remembered only now, when a direct threat to Russia was created as a result of the pro-Western coup, and as a result, those in power.
      1. Com T-64a
        Com T-64a 12 March 2014 14: 59
        +5
        I don’t understand why WE (Russia) left HIS OWN in Donetsk, Kharkov and other cities !!! They bend for Crimea on TV, and they are silent about the fraternal Ukraine of us !!! THERE ARE BEATING OURS OUR !!! OUR !!! What * ** we then abandoned them ??! Who will protect the Russians there ?? Not organized ??? Complete nonsense! There, no less than in the Crimea, meetings were held, hung on the administrations of the RUSSIAN TRICOLOR !!! So what? WHERE HELP ??? belay
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 March 2014 15: 22
          +1
          Quote: Com. T-64a
          I don’t understand why WE (Russia) threw OURS in Donetsk, Kharkov and other cities !!! They bend the Crimea on TV, but they are silent about the fraternal east of Ukraine !!!

          Quietly, the office didn’t fall, the main thing is to attack, and there we will take ALL Ukraine.
    5. skeptic
      skeptic 12 March 2014 15: 13
      +9
      Quote: CapYar 48315
      It will not be otherwise. The East itself is to blame for its disorganization and indecision. In many ways, this is a miscalculation of Russia


      Here, I agree with you. In the days of the USSR, everything that was only produced in the RSFSR was transported to Ukraine. They had everything that gave rise to disdain for the Russians themselves, as "unable to live." Nothing corrupts like freebies. Even now, the new government is again waiting for a freebie from the West, without even turning on the brains, which will result in Nenko Ukraine. After all, all the problems started due to the fact that Yanyk wanted to feed from two nipples at the same time. Moreover, he began to juggle, then Russia, then the EU. The West does not understand jokes - this is the result. What has Russia to do with it? Putin clearly said - there will be genocide of Russians, we will have to save. Chechnya wanted to be independent - it was, while Yarosh, ugh, i.e. Basayev did not poke his nose into Dagestan.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 12 March 2014 12: 33
    +93
    Izya, and what is going on here in Ukraine? - Madhouse, Sema. The Russian military besieged a Ukrainian military unit near Crimea and shouted: "Surrender!" , and from there the answer: "RUSSIANS DO NOT GIVE UP!
  • Name
    Name 12 March 2014 12: 35
    +8
    Do not take me for Thomas, but:
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 12 March 2014 13: 26
      +4
      Quote: name
      Do not take me for Thomas, but:

      Rather a joke, but watch the interviews with the pilots "storming" the airfield, at the moment when they were waiting for negotiations - the person says that although they are Ukrainians, they are still Russians.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 March 2014 12: 39
    +13
    governors of Russian regions are threatened and demand that they join Ukraine

    no, it’s not the army that is needed, but psychiatrists. what is the disease called when a person invents a fairy tale and believes in it? and convinces others fool
    1. mamba
      mamba 12 March 2014 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      what is the disease called when a person invents a fairy tale and believes in it? and convinces others

      This is schizoaffective psychosis, described in two forms.
      The affect dominant form of the disease is manifested by the predominance in the psychosis picture of acute sensory delusions by type of perception delirium, as an option with visual-figurative delusions of imagination, or it can be characterized by a predominance of intellectual delusions of imagination.
      Schizodominant form. A characteristic sign is usually considered the presence of manifestations of acute sensory delirium and a tendency to the ideological development of delusional constructions. In connection with the predominance of various typological forms of delirium, an option is distinguished with a picture of acute paranoid syndrome, which is determined by delusions of perception with individual elements of interpretive delirium, a variant with the development of acute paranoid psychosis in the presence of a clearly-shaped delirium with elements of interpretation, as well as acute paranoid syndrome with unsystematic interpretative delirium and elements of sensual delirium.
      Who cares: http://www.plam.ru/medic/psihiatrija_rukovodstvo_dlja_vrachei/p7.php
  • erased
    erased 12 March 2014 12: 39
    +5
    Important issues are the repayment of a $ 3 billion loan and the repayment of a gas debt of nearly $ 2 billion. Here the reasons for the return of debts by force are fully justified. As well as ensuring the safety of Russians in the eastern regions of Ukraine. But only if the Bandera really begin the massacre. Well, plus another direct invasion of the Ukrainian army in the Crimea.
    I hope our army is ready for such options.
    I agree with the timing of the possible attack, the latest deadline is March 16th. Will the Ukrainian army go forward in a single rush or will there be deserters? It's not clear yet.
    How will it come out - we'll see.
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 12 March 2014 12: 39
    +3
    such actions will end with the appearance of polite people in the Lviv region.

    Yes, it's time!
  • pts-m
    pts-m 12 March 2014 12: 40
    +7
    Yes, in our RUSSIA they always pulled to the last, but to the friend “if it didn’t work out.” You can cite many examples of the Great Patriotic War and Chechnya and the p-island Damansky. .a for prschet people pay.
    1. raven75
      raven75 12 March 2014 17: 21
      +3
      Well, yes, they did. True, in the end, from the enemies only fluff and feathers scattered in different directions.
  • Monk
    Monk 12 March 2014 12: 40
    +9
    Quote: KapYar 48315
    I see three reasons why Putin can give orders to the troops - the massacre in the South-East, the beginning of hostilities of the Armed Forces, the attempt to send NATO troops. There will be no other way. The East itself is to blame for its disorganization and indecision. In many respects, this is a miscalculation of Russia - for a long time it was necessary to work with pro-Russian groups (not shy of anything) as opposed to Western. The absence or lack of this is now apparent. I think the conclusions have already been made by the relevant analysts and authorities - maybe, Russia borders not only Ukraine.


    I agree, and it’s already tired of it, hysteria all this west, along with the Maydan, weakness unbearable to the southeast with fake leaders Kernes and Dobkin (special correspondent from March 11, I advise you to look). There remains one option - to roll all this fascist evil under the asphalt, and then filter it so that no one hides, the Nazis on this land are definitely not living and those who believe otherwise are naive ..
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 March 2014 12: 51
      +24
      Quote: Monk
      I agree, and it’s already tired of the order, hysteria all this west, along with the Maydan

      A trifle, but nice !!!
      Stephen Seagal condemns the approach of Western media to coverage of events in the Crimea

      American actor and activist Steven Seagal condemned the approach of the Western press to covering the situation in Crimea. He stated this in an interview with Russia Today TV channel. “I hear a lot of political rhetoric and propaganda and I don’t hear here, in America, any statements by the Russian side at all. Not because it doesn’t make them, but because these comments, I think, remain unheard,” Sigal said. All this is not conducive to the real diplomatic relations that we need now. "
      The actor also emphasized that the interests of Ukraine and Russia in the existing conflict are more important than the interests of Europe, which is actively interfering in the negotiation process. Recall that Steven Seagal has been paying a lot of attention to politics lately. He is closely acquainted with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and also announced his intention to run for governor of Arizona.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-140890.html
      1. Rodriques
        Rodriques 12 March 2014 14: 55
        +1
        Seagal has many friends in Russia, he knows who to ask if what. )))
      2. DMB-78
        DMB-78 12 March 2014 15: 49
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Stephen Seagal condemns the approach of Western media to coverage of events in the Crimea

    2. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 12 March 2014 13: 00
      +2
      Quote: Monk
      dummy leaders Kernes and Dobkin

      That's for sure, I wanted to say everything. Another bracelets on his hands, without talking. And this house arrest, packaging bars - coping.
      1. avt
        avt 12 March 2014 13: 37
        +2
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        . And this house arrest, packaging bars - coping.

        Kernes missed his lover and now he himself ran to surrender, to Dopa under house arrest in a Kiev apartment. That would not bother with the protest movement. He was in such a hurry that he also intercepted the summons sent from his own words to someone else's address and got ready to go to Kiev. In general, "What does Tavarish Katz offer? Katz offers to surrender."
  • Makarov
    Makarov 12 March 2014 12: 41
    +4
    Well, those who were fired remained, there were no less dissatisfied ... not everything was so bad ... although everything was pretty sour ...
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 12 March 2014 12: 41
    +1
    Crimea leaves Kiev junta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZF3ckzjGE
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  • housekeeper
    housekeeper 12 March 2014 12: 43
    +23
    Obviously, the Gryzunsky Miho is in the advisers of the "new government". These idiots are pushing Ukraine into the abyss of civil war with all their might. After all, the war between Ukraine and Russia is a civil war in the truest sense.
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 12 March 2014 13: 10
      +4
      Obviously, the Gryzunsky Miho is in the advisers of the "new government".
      Yes, he pinned so long ago did not eat ties and with kent on the fat fried ties Wah how good laughing
  • RN40Y45
    RN40Y45 12 March 2014 12: 44
    -41%
    one-sided, emotional and propaganda article. Shit, in short ...
    1. Cyril7377
      Cyril7377 12 March 2014 13: 05
      +2
      well, I’m not quite messing up ... I think that the author is right about the protest movement in the southeast, as there is nothing else besides the demonstrations, and most importantly, even those leaders who were, all of a sudden, all at once already on the bunk .. .
      1. RN40Y45
        RN40Y45 12 March 2014 14: 12
        -4
        I, now, am a resident of Kerch (a little earlier I lived in Kerch-1, because in the east there will be nothing but the noise of the demonstrators, it was always clear that a special otmosis was formed in Crimea.
    2. Capyar 48315
      Capyar 48315 12 March 2014 13: 15
      +3
      Yes, and you hike crap. If you want articles on analytics or technology, there are plenty of them here. but no - you need to blather at least something, the main thing is where the glow is higher
    3. Black
      Black 12 March 2014 13: 31
      0
      RN40Y45 winked Flu virus?
      1. RN40Y45
        RN40Y45 12 March 2014 14: 07
        -5
        Rn40ya45 - not really a virus and not really flu.
    4. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 12 March 2014 13: 57
      +1
      one-sided, emotional and propaganda article. Shit, in short ...

      So, another one showed up ... Men, throw this stick.
      1. RN40Y45
        RN40Y45 12 March 2014 14: 14
        -5
        come on, sofas, atu !!! come to us in Crimea, take part in business.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 12 March 2014 18: 58
          +3
          Quote: RN40Y45
          come on, sofas, atu !!! come to us in Crimea, take part in business.


          don't wake up famously. I have someone to come for.
        2. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 12 March 2014 19: 46
          +5
          Quote: RN40Y45
          come on, sofas, atu !!! come to us in Crimea, take part in business.

          Who needs it already, and the sofas go to rallies in support of the Crimea and all Russians, collect humanitarian aid, support relatives via the Internet, telephone, etc. If you are a resident of Kerch, and not Peter, then you are doubly minus the way your tongue turns, and in general, you are on whose side. There will be no war! That's just all sofas also help to raise the economy in the Crimea in the first place ...
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        4. Vladimir73
          Vladimir73 12 March 2014 20: 06
          +2
          come on, sofas, atu !!! come to us in Crimea, take part in business.
          DO NOT TEMPTATE TEMPTATION !!
        5. Фокус
          Фокус 12 March 2014 20: 22
          +2
          Quote: RN40Y45
          come to us in Crimea, take part in business.

          Judging by the words you are not Crimean, so go aside.
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 12 March 2014 18: 57
        +2
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        Men, throw this stick.


        He has already been thrown, and still thrown. Even to argue with him desire.
    5. Victor-M
      Victor-M 12 March 2014 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: RN40Y45
      one-sided, emotional and propaganda article. Shit, in short ...

      I’m messed up by your mom and dad when you were designed.
  • Name
    Name 12 March 2014 12: 44
    +10
    Quote: Sergei Medvedev
    such actions will end with the appearance of polite people in the Lviv region.

    "Polite people" are now needed in Kiev as the Basmanny Court of Moscow on March 12 arrested in absentia the leader of the Ukrainian nationalist organization "Right Sector" Dmitry Yarosh, having granted the request of the investigation. It's time to "invite" the citizen to meet with the investigation.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 March 2014 12: 55
      +5
      Quote: name
      It's time to "invite" the citizen to meet with the investigation.

      And we want to "invite" Yanukovych !!!

      GPU expects cooperation with the investigation from Yanukovych
      Viktor Yanukovych's public promises to return to Kiev in the near future can be perceived by law enforcement agencies, only taking into account his voluntary cooperation with the investigation. This is stated in the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine, according to the press service of the GPU. "The official statement of Ukrainian citizen Viktor Yanukovych, which he made in Rostov-on-Don (RF) on March 11 this year, is clearly regarded as a provocation aimed at supporting separatist sentiments and inciting ethnic hatred in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the South-Eastern region of Ukraine "The press service of the General Prosecutor's Office draws attention to the inadequacy and inadmissibility of such statements in the context of an acute civil conflict."

      February 26, according to paragraph 17 h. 1 Art. 106 and Art. 112 of the Constitution of Ukraine, the duties of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took and. about. President of Ukraine - Verkhovna Rada Chairman Oleksandr Turchynov. As previously reported, the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine has instituted criminal proceedings against Yanukovych, in particular, about his abuse of authority from November 2013 to February 2014 and for the massacres of Maidan activists (under part 3 art. 27, part 3 art. 365 (as amended by the Law from 07.04.2011), part 3, article 27, paragraph 1, 5, 12 part, 2 article 115 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine).

      Also production was opened upon the seizure of state power by Yanukovych in 2010, belay these actions are qualified under part. 2 Art. 109 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (actions aimed at forcibly changing or overthrowing the constitutional order or seizing state power). In addition, the proceedings under Part 2 Art. 109 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine on the distribution of Decree No. 90 / 2014 of 27.02.2014, by which Yanukovych tried to restore his authority by transferring a number of state institutions to Sevastopol. In February of this year, the Main Investigative Department of the General Prosecutor's Office initiated a request to declare the fugitive President internationally wanted through Interpol channels.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-140904.html
      1. Name
        Name 12 March 2014 13: 06
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: name
        It's time to "invite" the citizen to meet with the investigation.
        And we want to "invite" Yanukovych !!!

        It’s time to make an exchange, so to speak, with two-legged objects, but we’ll give us Bilogo in addition ... winked hi
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 12 March 2014 13: 07
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        GPU expects cooperation with the investigation from Yanukovych

        An interesting abbreviation, probably the functions of this body in today's Ukraine are similar. wink
      3. sovety
        sovety 12 March 2014 13: 31
        +2
        Or they themselves are sick. Or they consider all patients.
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 12 March 2014 14: 36
      +2
      It's time to return the highest measure of social protection am
  • lord
    lord 12 March 2014 12: 47
    -11%
    dialogue must be maintained with mattresses they rule in Ukraine and threaten with nuclear weapons if war breaks out in Ukraine
    1. from punk
      from punk 12 March 2014 13: 10
      +2
      Quote: Lord
      dialogue must be maintained with mattresses; they rule in Ukraine

      we lead. telepathically. it’s not our problem that they do not understand. They will answer the question of what is the national interest of America in Ukraine then we’ll talk
  • mabuta
    mabuta 12 March 2014 12: 47
    +1
    I hope at the crucial moment, suddenly polite people will appear and disperse the Maidan chicken coop.
  • zzz
    zzz 12 March 2014 12: 47
    +6
    Otherwise, the Ukrainian Wild Field will give birth to such monsters for several years that it will take even more forces and resources to restore order, and the flame of terror and color revolutions will have to be extinguished in the territory of the Union republics.

    War is very, very bad !!! But it is in war that civilization is born. If fascism is not stopped now, it will stop all of us. Slavs. Damn, how hard. I never thought what I would write.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 12 March 2014 14: 11
      +1
      War. We will be scared for husbands and sons. How many of us will wear a widow's scarf? ... But what can we do - you can’t retreat anymore. We will fasten and hope.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 12 March 2014 12: 48
    +3
    It may be cheaper to eliminate the maydauns before they unleash a war. According to the law, they are bandits, the president of Ukraine asks us about this, it will not be worse for us in the West from this, they will end and it will end. And then we’ll return Yanek to Kiev for reforms and elections.
    1. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake 12 March 2014 14: 28
      0
      Where are our small mobile groups for pinpoint strikes? (or what is it called right there?)
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 12 March 2014 12: 49
    +15
    The Russians, too, pull up not so finely cyber weapons ...

    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 March 2014 13: 10
      +8
      Quote: Scandinavian
      The Russians, too, pull up not so finely cyber weapons ...

      This is for the fireworks on May 9th.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 12 March 2014 13: 46
        +5
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Scandinavian
        The Russians, too, pull up not so finely cyber weapons ...

        This is for the fireworks on May 9th.

        In Kiev, as I understand it?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 12 March 2014 14: 28
          +4
          Quote: Ivan.
          In Kiev, as I understand it?

          smile On May 9, the older generation celebrated in the lair of the Nazis, which means Lviv. wink
      2. Kuvabatake
        Kuvabatake 12 March 2014 14: 30
        0
        Salute is beautiful good
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 12 March 2014 12: 50
    +8
    continued ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 12 March 2014 13: 01
      +6
      yesterday the column the column spent the night at Dyadin, along the Rostov highway, apparently going further to Millerovo and to Lugansk, in a cantemation, it seems like the Pskov Airborne Division is unloading.
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 12 March 2014 17: 17
        +4
        Here is a relatively recent video:
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    3. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 12 March 2014 14: 34
      +1
      [quote = Scandinavian] continued quote]


      And what - a referendum - can you leave without a salute ???

      This is WHICH HOLIDAY!
  • Siberian19
    Siberian19 12 March 2014 12: 50
    +18
    Correspondence sailor with George Bush! a few days ago! “Where are you going, honey?”
    - Do not know yet
    - we heard about this ship in the Black Sea, but the names don’t say .. I was worried, suddenly it's yours.
    - honey, this is a duck. We were in Greece, everything is under control there. And now I don’t know where they will send us. I hope not in this puddle near Russia.
    - Ukraine. I said, remember? These are different countries.
    - So de civil war, about which we are always told?
    - In Ukraine.
    - Yes, I do ** ru where it is
    - I was afraid you would go there to fight with Russia.
    - To fight? Beloved, we cannot engage in battle. We can launch rockets or planes. But there is no landing on board. If they send us closer to the shore, we **. our guys say that it would be better to go to hell than to Russia. Our brainwaves are now working in two shifts. Trying to boost morale. Where will they send us now ??? I miss you, dear .. and mom and dad, and Ted .. Say hello to them .. I wonder if I will ever see them? ........
    - Honey, be courageous. You just have a depresnyak, I’ll tell you better than any doctor. You just need a beer and a day at the beach. We will do so as soon as you return.
    - I just looked at the map. It is near Poland. So let them fight from there ..
    I don’t believe that I will ever come back .. This time may be the last ... Beloved, you must be ready ......................
    - Don't you dare say that !!!! Maybe it's really a duck and no ship goes there.
    - I hope. How is hunting to get drunk ....
    1. Capyar 48315
      Capyar 48315 12 March 2014 13: 20
      +4
      Is there a link? or do you compose yourself? lol
      1. TEODOR
        TEODOR 12 March 2014 14: 06
        +1
        http://continentalist.ru/2014/03/depresnyak-u-amerikanskih-moryakov/
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  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 12 March 2014 12: 51
    +9

    There will be no winners.
  • KononAV
    KononAV 12 March 2014 12: 51
    +9
    Too bad the people of southeastern Ukraine. I really want to believe that our country will not abandon them.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 12 March 2014 13: 16
      +6
      This is exactly what worries me. That the words would not contradict the deed. If God doesn’t let this happen, it will be a quick start to the end of Russia itself.
      And so I want Russia to withstand all these tests and pass them with honor, dignity and glory!
    2. I read the news
      I read the news 12 March 2014 13: 18
      +3
      Do you feel sorry for people from the west of Ukraine?
      1. qwertynsan
        qwertynsan 12 March 2014 14: 05
        +5
        It is very unfortunate People from Ukraine from the east, west and south. Or maybe just chop off the hydra's head and that's it?
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      3. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 12 March 2014 14: 30
        +2
        Quote: I readNews
        Do you feel sorry for people from the west of Ukraine?



        What a pity? IT'S A PITY! current you have there "HALERA"! it is necessary to prop the door, pour gasoline and a match! ...... otherwise EVERYONE will die !!!

        "this" infection has a geometric progression = a drop of spilled blood, tomorrow - rivers of blood, tomorrow - rivers of blood, tomorrow - a sea of ​​blood ...
      4. Kuvabatake
        Kuvabatake 12 March 2014 14: 38
        +1
        People are always sorry, any. And there is no difference from where. But how to separate them from nonhumans? And they always hide behind beautiful slogans.
        1. I read the news
          I read the news 12 March 2014 15: 39
          +1
          People are always sorry, any. But how to separate them from nonhumans?
          We have been thinking for 20 years, and this issue is becoming more and more relevant. Now it is a matter of survival.
      5. raven75
        raven75 12 March 2014 17: 39
        +2
        No, not really. It’s a pity to ALL, Russia hasn’t grown this pity yet, it’s not easy for us. Even to help the South-East of Ukraine there is no reason - the people there are silent, by and large. The Crimean peninsula is a completely different matter, the population has not calmed down there, in expectation that everything will be resolved on its own. And I don’t even want to talk about western Ukraine.
    3. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 12 March 2014 13: 40
      +2
      Quote: KononAV
      Too bad the people of southeastern Ukraine. I really want to believe that our country will not abandon them.

      Of course he won’t give up. Who would doubt that. But not immediately and suddenly.
      They themselves are to blame for the situation they are in. They’ll go hungry, sit a bit in jails, and then of course we won’t leave them. But first, it is necessary that they, with all desperate obviousness, feel what their own toothlessness and indecision cost them.
  • loginovich
    loginovich 12 March 2014 12: 52
    +7
    Here I think as if 25 in May, Ukraine did not dream of a scribe. Our revolutionaries guys are generally good, all were members of the Komsomol. From not Komsomol members brought up people of the future, but only they were spoiled by bank notes and there is reason to believe to not humanity. For 30, the silver coins will be sold, bought and sold again, but more expensive.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 12 March 2014 13: 07
      +4
      Quote: loginovich
      Here I think as if 25 in May, Ukraine did not dream of a scribe. Our revolutionaries guys are generally good, all were members of the Komsomol. From not Komsomol members brought up people of the future, but only they were spoiled by bank notes and there is reason to believe to not humanity. For 30, the silver coins will be sold, bought and sold again, but more expensive.


      The new governor of the Zaporozhye region, Valeriy Baranov, is also a former Komsomol member-opportunist. He was the mayor of the city of Berdyansk, a lot of nakosyachil with resort land, is corrupt. Keeps at all modes of Ukraine. My acquaintance, thanks to his political prostitution, even 2 a year ago made a breed for him on the example of Hitler:

    2. Alex66
      Alex66 12 March 2014 13: 10
      +3
      But yak to drink ...
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 12 March 2014 12: 53
    +2
    The media is spreading more and more
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  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 12 March 2014 12: 53
    +21

    Watch everyone, Zhirinovsky comments on the video very interestingly and correctly, this is in Russian !!!
    1. Name
      Name 12 March 2014 13: 10
      +18
      Yes, and Johnnik gave out thoughts aloud, in the style of the namesake McCain ... wassat
      1. sergei.mihalev2012
        sergei.mihalev2012 12 March 2014 15: 08
        +2
        Pot calls the kettle black...
    2. Com T-64a
      Com T-64a 12 March 2014 15: 16
      +2
      CLASS !!! It is necessary to throw on the pro-American site! soldier
    3. Che Guevara
      Che Guevara 13 March 2014 08: 29
      0
      Thanks, and neighing and just a nice movie, you need to show Obaba.
  • shark
    shark 12 March 2014 12: 54
    +10
    Southeast lost essentially without starting. Those protests that were really like letting off steam. A protest not backed up by decisive actions is doomed to failure. Here you can learn from our "Western friends" Vaunted Donetsk was broken in 2004, and will be broken now. I'm afraid that there is no one to help in the active phase. Even if they introduce troops to the southeast, it will only be for the sake of Crimea. That's who really deserved it!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 March 2014 13: 01
      +6
      Quote: shark
      The southeast lost essentially without starting.

      Not yet evening!
      This is how the police will be renamed the police (the last wish of the VR), but they will recruit maidanutyhs into this police, so the South-East will rise! Painfully the word "policeman" is not popular there !!!
      And, despite the fact that the leaders seem to have been detained, the protests continue, and far from being "peaceful."
  • Kornilovets
    Kornilovets 12 March 2014 12: 54
    +5
    And there are facts that in the Kherson region the accumulation of troops?
    Where are photos and videos from the network, in contact, etc. ?
    Where is the photo of the defensive structures on the isthmus?

    Or they’ll go headlong without preparation, now it’s like someone is near Kherson and Melitopol, and then once they rush into the isthmuses ... Etozh is not a lightning storm, and not an attack by horse lava ....
    1. TEODOR
      TEODOR 12 March 2014 14: 12
      +1
      Quote: Kornilovist
      And there are facts that in the Kherson region the accumulation of troops?
      Where are photos and videos from the network, in contact, etc. ?
      Where is the photo of the defensive structures on the isthmus?

      Or they’ll go headlong without preparation, now it’s like someone is near Kherson and Melitopol, and then once they rush into the isthmuses ... Etozh is not a lightning storm, and not an attack by horse lava ....


      The trouble is that they won’t go and they’ll be sent to the West. They need blood, and local geys are glad to try.
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  • VengefulRat
    VengefulRat 12 March 2014 12: 56
    +19
    In Ukraine, a course towards Russophobia has been taken in the first place, the current "vlada" of course is still a circus of freaks, but the maximum I think is only capable of provocation.
  • shibi
    shibi 12 March 2014 12: 56
    +1
    Quote: mabuta
    I hope at the crucial moment, suddenly polite people will appear and disperse the Maidan chicken coop.

    So it’s not in vain that the GDP announced the exercises of the Airborne Forces soldier
  • CAMS
    CAMS 12 March 2014 12: 56
    +3
    let the west swallow it all! to fright, maybe it’s a ride, and these people will be worn like a flag all over the world and swear that they suffered for freedom
  • fisherman
    fisherman 12 March 2014 12: 57
    +4
    Not a few years. Not even months, maybe weeks. States, like air, need war, but they themselves do not want to be substituted. Send forward EU? Germany wants to live, work and trade, but not fight, especially in Europe. So, you need to force the Russians to fight with the Russians (Ukrainian, Tatars, Jews, they are all Russian) and gradually clean up the territories of Great Russia by 90%. The intermediate target is blood and bases, missiles in Ukraine.
    This is not about social benefits, wages, gas and a communal apartment. The question is whether they will be lucky enough to get into 90%, or in the remaining 10%, who will still envy the dead. They will come for us, too, to Europe, and the people know this instinctively, so everyone who cares about every Russian-speaking person: what is being done in Ukraine?
    Your fate, the fate of your country, the fate of the world depends on your choice, on your actions, Ukrainian brothers
  • Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 12 March 2014 13: 00
    +8
    Quote: RETX
    Do they even realize that their entire attacking group will turn into mincemeat right on the isthmus? Anyone who gives such an order will become a criminal and a murderer.

    They give, they really need this stuffing. But there will be no direct order. According to Gritsenko (the former Minister of Defense), if the authorities do not give such an order, it “can provoke independent (UNPREPARED and uncoordinated by the state) actions to protect the country from conscious patriotic citizens, with massive casualties”. These (UNPREPARED and uncoordinated by the state) are most likely already prepared and coordinated.
    1. CAMS
      CAMS 12 March 2014 13: 50
      0
      Yes, no, the case has already been filed for Yarosh in the interpol and sent, Yanukovych to the United States for a fair trial - someone will be killed or imprisoned, and who !? it doesn’t matter anymore. maybe ... and obamycha ...
    2. Niki
      Niki 12 March 2014 14: 00
      0
      Well then, just get ready and wait
  • dik-fort
    dik-fort 12 March 2014 13: 00
    +7
    The South-East has only one privilege - to vote in elections against the maydanuts, and even then it is ghostly, if the commissioners of the right sector sit in the Central Election Commissions, they count as it should and the West recognizes everything. It remains to rely on a social explosion from the "reforms" of the maydan population, from the Russian side it will be enough to hire from the western regions of Ukraine, from this they will not have love for Russians, their brigades in the highly paid North, where they come from, are especially outraged, priority should be given to citizens Russia, the bosses who arrange the Westerners, drive with a filthy broom.
    1. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake 12 March 2014 14: 45
      0
      It is important how and for whom they will vote, and who and how to count the votes ... sad
    2. max702
      max702 12 March 2014 17: 28
      +1
      Regarding the brigades in the north, I agree either from Ukraine or the Caucasus, what they do there, how it gets there is not clear (no, of course it is clear, no one canceled the rollback, but ..)
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 12 March 2014 13: 01
    +3
    It seems to me that there are not many options for development from this situation, the first army is still coming out to attack the isthmuses, and Russia is rapidly introducing troops and the second, more long-term, but not so bloody, which is more likely not realistic considering the bloodthirstiness of Sasha’s puppeteers, so people they begin to feel the full economic charm of new reforms and treaties with the IMF and, in one way or another, hold a referendum and are part of the Russian Federation,
    1. Black
      Black 12 March 2014 13: 57
      +4
      Quote: ars_pro
      It seems to me from this situation there are not so many development options,


      1. Sailors raise a riot (well, or a machine gun regiment)
      preferably within the city of Kiev.
      2. roads are blocked (signs are placed - road repair)
      2. the landing of the officers loyal to Yanukovych SBU GPU NKVD take mail, telegraph, airport
      3. the airport accepts 10-12 sides with polite guys
      and continues to work only on reception
      3,5. the people rejoice.
      4. YANUKOVICH RIDES INTO THE MAIDAN IN THE WHITE FRACK (he has the right, he said that he will be back soon, but he keeps his word!)
      5. well there ... Hurray !!!, PS to the nail, declaration of independence from Lviv, a request for admission to the RSFSR, Klitschko in the face, Yaytsenyukha for count. (Options are possible)

      An elaborate version of the idea expressed yesterday by Normman, .... but what .. This is the most bloodless option ...
      And very fast ...
      1. Niki
        Niki 12 March 2014 14: 06
        +1
        Kiev already has a lot of foreign specialists. If such a scenario (with landings) is allowed, then these specialists need to leave bloodlessly: either behind the cordon (but far away from the border), or give them a corridor to the airport.

        I don’t know how anyone, but to me such a probability is very doubtful.
        1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
          Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 12 March 2014 19: 02
          +2
          To catch foreign specialists from Kiev, close them, present them to the world, and then exchange them for ours in their prisons in one-to-one mode. This would be optimal. I did not find everything to catch and plant. If ours turns out to be not enough, we can hold off the "specialists" until better times, maybe we will change for someone else.
      2. kush62
        kush62 12 March 2014 16: 52
        +1
        Klitschko- in the face, Yaytsenyuha per count (options are possible)

        Options are preferred. one already in the face gets in the ring. So, that his count, and Yaytsenyuk in the face.
    2. raven75
      raven75 12 March 2014 19: 08
      +3
      Interestingly, and she "ukroarmiya" wants to fight? Even from the western regions. Thanks to the West, the Russian army in the past couple of decades has not crawled out of local armed conflicts even on its territory. The result is lightning-fast "forcing Georgia to peace." They do not compare the war on their own territory (Chechnya), when all and all reservations must be observed and the war against a formally foreign state. How many times Russia fumbled with Chechnya (by the way, now the Chechen special forces of the Russian army, licking their carnivores, look at the Bandera people ... There is something to devour, Georgians have just tried in due time, here the game is fatter). In general, when the hands of the Russian army were untied, the army put someone in their place without any special losses and in a short time. (It’s even interesting how much the United States invested in Georgia, pumped up money, supplied equipment, trained, taught in its own way, and the result was ... nah westen, in Tbilisi and a cracker for ties. Now, of course, not everything is so simple. And Ukraine is far from Georgia, and the opposite camp, albeit fooled by bad propaganda, is the same Slavs, who are not at all inclined to lift their hands in the air, which is what the West needs.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 March 2014 13: 04
    +3
    Yes, what are you worried about the East of Ukraine. As they feel bad, they will immediately run to us. Crossed, what's next? The plants are standing, the sowing is not going. That is, there is nothing to eat in Ukraine, there is nothing to buy a meal for. Like it or not, it is necessary to return people to the earth. Here dances with jokes will begin. In the meantime, Ukraine simply decided to show that it is against the detachment of the Crimea. Well, remember how Russia conducts exercises so well pre-planned? Here are just tutochki to the beginning of the war only one out of three soldiers managed / arrived on the battlefield. Yes, and that under its own power, hungry and without weapons. Well, at least something, after so many sales of his army. so look further. I personally do not expect anything big. But minor dirty tricks are quite possible, so we expose the fighters as a chain, with an interval of 20 meters for catching people carrying the flags of Ukraine, portraits of Bandera and retaliation for the renegades.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 12 March 2014 13: 06
    +2
    Turchinov has already stated that there will be no war with Crimea. It seems that he received instructions from the State Department, since his head is empty.
    1. Internet fighter
      Internet fighter 12 March 2014 14: 03
      +4
      Saakashvili said the same thing on 07.08.08. And now he is their adviser.
  • vorobey
    vorobey 12 March 2014 13: 07
    +17
    Smeared a shovel, stands in the corner. waiting ... Yesterday I wrote on this topic.

    He listened carefully to Yanek, Tenyukh, Turchinov. He came to the conclusion that Kerry took the time out unexpectedly for nothing. Apparently infa leaked from a statement of the only legitimate. Therefore, the Americans decided to wait. Drew attention to the reservations conscious reservations Janek. As soon I will be, earlier and more.

    Option crawls out one. Unequivocally, both Brzezinski and the State Department miscalculated in the results and slept ahead of the blows of Russia. As we said in a win-win situation. The outflow of protest in the southeast occurs but only then to be reborn again a little later when the red tape around Crimea subsides. It seems to me that Gambit began to play where the east is deliberately put under attack covering the main figure. Crimea is paramount because it is economically and politically more independent. The leaders of the east of Ukraine initially behaved timidly, but perhaps Gubarev and Dobkin will now become those Tymoshenko who will unite the people into a single force. Kernes leaked Kharkov. There is no leader. Dobkin, too, backtracked instead of leading the protest, relinquished his authority under the pretext of presidency. Now he has a second chance to rehabilitate himself in front of the people. If no one dares, maybe then they use Janek as a banner. Southeast covers the Crimea, creating a second precedent.

    I see several alternatives. Unfortunately, all are fatal for Ukraine and one is fatal for Russia.

    If in the General Outcome (I mean, not a short-term prospect) the Russian-speaking regions will be torn to pieces, this will be the collapse of Russia. Russians will see selectivity and stop believing. This will break not only the protest in the southeast but also the faith of the Russians in the Russians.

    the second option - power - an attempt to disrupt the referendum in the Crimea is a fatal scene for the whole of Ukraine. Russia sends troops and comes complete federalization of all areas and the flow of declarations of independence along the border of Kiev. You should not meddle further. Leave the crap west.

    third option they surrender Crimea to ours trying to maintain control over the southeast, but they will not pull it economically or politically (gas will rise in price, revenues will decrease and this is a wave of protest) and, accordingly, dispersal and repression, and this is blood and then option two.

    And the very last one. Chaos has already brewed. The bloodiest option. A forceful attempt to disrupt the referendum in Crimea with the massive involvement of the right sector and its legalization. Blood is being shed, a temporary government is being overthrown to the noise of a kind, the government takes the right sector and then it will be necessary to go to the western borders, burning evil spirits, and these are protracted battles with partisan formations.

    Sorry for the confusion I write briefly and in snatches.
    1. Black
      Black 12 March 2014 14: 19
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      Kernes leaked Kharkov. There is no leader. Dobkin, too, backtracked instead of leading the protest, relinquished his authority under the pretext of presidency.


      Did you see that face? So yes !? This is Kernes ....
      This does not deceive. considers this in cold blood.
      Leader? I beg you !!!
    2. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 12 March 2014 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: vorobey
      I see several alternatives. Unfortunately, all are fatal for Ukraine and one is fatal for Russia.

      Yes, there are a variety of options, not only three ... depending on what is taken as the main thing. My opinion is that Putin is and will be the main force in this chaos. He steers the game, as if it did not seem implicit to us. And one option is possible - restoration of law and order throughout !! territory of Ukraine, to the very last millimeter in the west. A temporary power structure will be established and elections and appointments held, law enforcement structures formed, etc. ... all according to the law, because Vladimir Vladimirovich has never once given us reason to doubt the legality of his actions with regard to Ukraine. Or am I wrong? wink
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 12 March 2014 15: 17
        +1
        Quote: Akhtuba73
        Or am I wrong?


        Rights. hi Even in the Tatar question, the Leader outplayed everyone.

        There is still a true price issue. I don’t want blood, but practice shows where the Americans put their nose in the blood and not from their nose. I really hope that Ukraine will become a turning point.

        Quote: Akhtuba73
        And one option is possible - restoration of law and order throughout !! territory of Ukraine, to the very last millimeter in the west


        This is not an option - this is the result.
        1. Akhtuba73
          Akhtuba73 12 March 2014 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          This is not an option - this is the result.

          Right! And the path to this outcome can be both lightning and phased. Here, one would know for sure and assure the brothers of our Ukrainians that there can be no other.
          Price. That is the question of questions. It is clear that Russia will not regret any pennies, and I am ready to share (and everyone), this is not the point. Blood ... God forbid! ... but the result should be (see above)
          hi
        2. raven75
          raven75 12 March 2014 20: 54
          0
          For the past 30 years, Americans have poked their nose where it is safe for them.
    3. GRDS
      GRDS 12 March 2014 16: 41
      +2
      That's just it, that over time the protest movement will come to naught + there is no bright leader. Strike the iron without leaving the cashier - you need NOW THE SOUTH-EAST to rise and very strongly, force the current "power" to make mistakes. One they did - they lost the Crimea. Then the assistants joined from behind a puddle and sensibly explained how to act. All little leaders will be caught and They will specifically explain what's what. Who is stubborn, he is not a tenant - that's all! There will be total intimidation and the disappearance of unwanted people (like: walking fell - woke up - coffin). Now in Kiev, it seems to me - people who are not pleasing are slowly being cut out, they are seizing real estate as a powerful person.
  • vinik1996
    vinik1996 12 March 2014 13: 11
    0
    frankly, I’m only interested in what recourse . How and what were they going to fight on if in the Ukrainian Armed Forces for 21 years they were picking their nose and doing nothing? there, all the equipment is already that - bye bye ... No.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 12 March 2014 13: 24
      +3
      As they say : when a Jew was born, he cried.I mean, they can get out. It’s just that other countries will sell equipment to them and that’s all. Maybe it’s like with Georgia who bought the equipment from everyone who gave it to her and that’s all. And there are specialists who can also find this equipment, so there’s a way out. Plus to they give loans to all of Ukraine and no one knows where, on what and by whom they will be distributed.
      As for the human reserves, the Zapadentsians will somehow be able to help + all provocations on their behalf.
      One must be prepared for everything and thoroughly prepared.
      1. Niki
        Niki 12 March 2014 14: 16
        0
        As if formally speculating: there is a certain airmobile brigade with a given staff strength put forward for training.
        Under the cover of the fact that this supposedly regular military unit is working by military experts ... Maybe these experts even speak Ukrainian a little, but this is not necessary.

        They will work out their order / work and try to escape from the battlefield. Ways of departure through Odessa (port, airport) to these specialists have already been prepared.

        Results will disentangle conscripts.

        Which of the work of these military will be concluded? Personally, the Customer’s layouts are not visible to me.
      2. raven75
        raven75 12 March 2014 21: 16
        0
        Mortgage loans ... t Steal. Technique to manage, which is even interesting. As for the specialists, yes, in Ukraine there can be and are, of course. Soviet-era specialists, to whom these Bandera screams, I hope that they were walking, that they were driving. Throwing bricks is one thing, and managing sophisticated military equipment is a little different.
  • The shy man
    The shy man 12 March 2014 13: 12
    0
    the article will die hysteria and hysteria .. unexpectedly roughly worked ..
  • Belarus
    Belarus 12 March 2014 13: 13
    +8
    As I said before, Russia cannot be taken back; Russia must not back down from its decisions in any case, it cannot. If Putin spoke of the introduction of troops into Ukraine, if necessary, it will have to be done.You can send Kadyrov’s men there, let them drive scumbags from the right sector and Bandera.
    But I have one more question: will Russia impose sanctions against those Ukrainian millionaires and billionaires (in particular, Akhmetov) who supported the Maydan and press the Russian population in Ukraine?
    PS Russia be strong, strong, decisive and smart. Hold on to your feet and give in the face to those who are against you.
    Russia is looking at you not only in Ukraine but also in Belarus.
    1. katastrofa
      katastrofa 12 March 2014 13: 34
      -3
      Well, with sanctions for the oligarchs, we have already filled our hand !!! lol
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 12 March 2014 14: 23
        +4
        It’s time to fill your face. angry
  • ren1999
    ren1999 12 March 2014 13: 15
    -17%
    I don’t know, fortunately or unfortunately, but I’m not even in stock now. But just with disgust I think that the West always wins. And you, gentlemen, patriots illustrate this in full growth. For you, there are no moral torments in the fact that the west confronts us with Ukrainians foreheads and rejoices in hiding. We are constantly losing in the cold war, which never ended. The entire space around the Russian Federation is surrounded by potential enemies. Out of habit, as the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union did, we try to pay off problems with money, gas, and oil. No channel! It is necessary to invest in this very cold war and, strangely enough, savings are possible. And now we must bring down from the Crimea, too, because the war was lost before it even started.
    1. f.lourens
      f.lourens 12 March 2014 15: 18
      +5
      The minus for the words must be blamed from the Crimea and the war was lost before it could start for it in the HE shot on the spot am
      1. Des10
        Des10 12 March 2014 17: 09
        +1
        He didn’t deserve a minus either - he won’t understand. Only treatment ...)
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      3. ren1999
        ren1999 12 March 2014 17: 23
        -4
        Honestly, gentlemen, your cons are the best assessment of my understanding of the situation.
        This does not comfort me. I really hope that the leader hears an opinion similar to mine, before giving the command "Fire!"
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 12 March 2014 18: 37
          0
          Quote: ren1999
          my understanding of the situation.

          Understanding?
          Very peculiar, to say the least.
          Started for health, finished for peace!
          I am sorry for you, the treatment is _ long, difficult, but cheap! At the expense of the state!
          1. Native grandfather
            Native grandfather 12 March 2014 23: 11
            0
            Quote: Cynic
            I am sorry for you, the treatment is _ long, difficult, but cheap! At the expense of the state!

            I propose another option. Fast, cheap and cheerful. Shooting from BSL110. Who doesn’t know this Бbig Сaperture Лopata 110 cm (like garbage, but it sounds like, huh;;)) It is brought up quickly. )))) And then it would be to us then the company. Two pancakes (anti-tank mines) in an armful and a circle around the NZ. With then all the nonsense comes out quickly. And humanely. )))
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    2. msv
      msv 12 March 2014 17: 33
      +1
      ren1999

      Get shot then.
    3. msv
      msv 12 March 2014 17: 33
      0
      ren1999

      Get shot then.
    4. raven75
      raven75 12 March 2014 21: 29
      +1
      Not in stock ... Is it dead, if not in stock?
    5. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 12 March 2014 23: 03
      0
      Quote: ren1999
      And now we must bring down from the Crimea, too, because the war was lost before it even started.

      Hamish, boy! am Although I’m already retired, I’ll take up the first green rocket to track down through my favorite optics the provocateurs, maydanuter, and others related to them! soldier
  • shyler
    shyler 12 March 2014 13: 16
    +2
    Acting President of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov said that there would be no military intervention by the Ukrainian armed forces in Crimea so as not to endanger the eastern regions of the country.

    We heard the exact same phrase before 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX !!!
  • project sity
    project sity 12 March 2014 13: 18
    -2
    Quote: Turik
    The end of the world will begin tomorrow! NATO will send troops to Russia! China will take over Siberia! Expected nuclear strike on Moscow! Chechens will slaughter everyone who is for the freedom of the Russian people!

    Here to breed a panic! How we lived and will live, only we will be in the 2-3 region more. Russia survived the Mongols, ditched the Poles, escorted the Frenchmen, scattered the Turks, buried Hitler.

    Benderofascists already somehow clamp.

    Tipun to the man who wrote that tomorrow is War! God forbid such conclusions, I want the future ...
  • project sity
    project sity 12 March 2014 13: 18
    0
    Quote: Turik
    The end of the world will begin tomorrow! NATO will send troops to Russia! China will take over Siberia! Expected nuclear strike on Moscow! Chechens will slaughter everyone who is for the freedom of the Russian people!

    Here to breed a panic! How we lived and will live, only we will be in the 2-3 region more. Russia survived the Mongols, ditched the Poles, escorted the Frenchmen, scattered the Turks, buried Hitler.

    Benderofascists already somehow clamp.

    Tipun to the man who wrote that tomorrow is War! God forbid such conclusions, I want the future ...
  • Ustian
    Ustian 12 March 2014 13: 19
    +2

    Russian Russians. Troubled destiny.
  • leon17
    leon17 12 March 2014 13: 19
    +7
    Very pessimistic article. Above your head! We have already seen tie-jacks running the NATO troops ahead of their sandals. It will be even funnier, a little patience ...
  • Pokerof13
    Pokerof13 12 March 2014 13: 20
    +5
    If the war begins (God forbid, of course), then our tanks must be stopped in Lisbon, and then, only to board the ships and go to create a colony from the USA