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Where is the Russian help. What is the independence of Ukraine and how to win it

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Now, from Ukraine, many people write that they came out on the square and asked for help from Russia, but the Red Army is not visible, and there are more and more bad guys with bats. Where is help, where is Russia?

Well, let's first figure it out. Who asks for help? Protesters? Some of the protesters call Russia, and in the next square other protesters call NATO. Who do you want to count as people? The reality is that so far no region, except Crimea, has appealed for help - and, therefore, has not received it. Even Donetsk is not considered yet, although it has advanced the furthest.

No appeals were registered, because rallies are not self-governing. Why the buildings of regional councils pass from hand to hand, and people sit in them all the same? Any official who recognized the new Kiev government automatically becomes an accomplice to the insurgency. There is no difference between him and the militants in masks.

This axiom clearly demonstrated Odessa. Protesters cordoned off the administration building, seemingly achieved mutual understanding with deputies. As a result, the regional council adopted an appeal to the illegitimate Verkhovna Rada, condemned the introduction of any foreign troops into the territory of Ukraine and asked to give itself “sufficient authority to restore order”. In the light of the replacement of the top of the Odessa militia by a loyal junta, this sounds rather ominous. The people did not achieve anything, except for a handful of agreements on reports to voters and a referendum. During this time, the local Euromaidan managed to mobilize, bring up militants from the outside and arrange a number of counter-countering.

The result is logical. Despite all the compromises, the reinforced Euromaidan demanded the arrest of Anton Davidchenko, an extremely moderate activist, and in case of non-fulfillment of the ultimatum he promised to take over the functions of the police. The price of the referendum agreement is the same - having got stronger, this power will step over all the words. Moral: What progress can there be in negotiations with deputies supporting an armed insurgency? What should it look like?

- Petlyura-Petlyura, let's surrender to the Red Army?

- I do not want!

- Come on, eh?

- I will not!


In the regional administrations of Ukraine captured by the people, the word LIZLEN is acutely lacking. Either you recognized the Kiev revolt, or you remained a deputy. To ask the deputies who among them recognizes the current Kiev government is a matter of ten minutes. Nominations from the people for their vacant mandates are also short-lived.

This is the only completely legal behavior. Kiev junta illegitimate? Yes. Is President Yanukovych Legitim? Yes. If local authorities, against the will of the people, try to negotiate with armed rebels, does this give the people the right to overthrow them? Of course. Does the people have the right to choose the authorities that will express their position? This is generally the basis of the Constitution.

After that, real deputies adopt a resolution that the Kiev authorities do not recognize, they ask Crimea for help, and Yanukovych, whoever he is, is still their president. He, in turn, is happy to approve the national candidate for the peak of the junta, and Russia includes the region in the assistance program.

Time is running out. The head of the Donetsk Internal Affairs Directorate, Colonel Romanov, has already resigned from his post, as he promised to do if he is forced to use illegal methods to rally participants. Simply put, he received orders to shoot at people.

Romanov did not stain his uniform, only now there is still a coup in the country and the people who gave him the criminal order have not gone away. What are the guarantees that the post of Romanov will no longer be occupied by someone more compliant, as in Odessa? And what should his successor do, shoot him or put his ID on the table too? This staff turnover does not have a good end, as long as the local ATC submits to Kiev, not Donetsk. And the choice of ordinary police officers is exactly the same as that of the residents - either to submit and try to live with it, or take measures to be controlled by people who are not subject to Kiev.

Only when there is a legitimate government in the region, defended by militia sworn to the people, or at least by people on the barricades, and there is no longer any collaborationists in power, can we talk about anything. We must begin with this, and not with the referendum agreements. Only the people's power is able to provide a referendum, but so far there is neither its nor its defenders, nor the final understanding and determination to go to the end. And time is running out.

Now you can still defend yourself. Then it will be worse, and it’s not even about default, gas prices or the deadly conditions of the IMF loan, which Yatsenyuk accepted. Fuel at Ukrainian NPPs remained until the end of April. What is the point of filling the Rivne nuclear power plant, so that Sashko Bilyy would come to her with a gun and start blackmailing a half of the continent with a new Chernobyl? And who will pay for this fuel? Armed rebels do not sell nuclear materials.

Recall, 46% of Ukrainian electricity is produced at nuclear power plants, and the fuel for them is made only at TVEL and cannot be replaced. American Westinghouse has already tried to put its own rods two years ago, it ended in an accident. One thing is good, without electricity, Ukrainian television will shut up, which has already broken all records for stupid lies.

So this is not yet the leaders of the Resistance, and as soon as people really start to sit without light, heat and bread, they will immediately be there. Only in this case, the security forces have already abolished the additional payments, and the junta cannot pay the salaries, but the oligarchs give cash, and in two months the betrayal will cease to seem impossible to many people. The state employees left without pensions go to meetings of oligarchs.

Yes, this is not even a war, and we will win the skirmish with Nazism. There are enough resources, understanding is, experience obliges. We, unlike Europe, who has diligently forgotten everything, do not need to explain to what the “reforms” of the putschists lead and we don’t need to wait for the sweeps to give a brown infection. The question is only in time and price, which will have to pay for the liberation of Ukraine, and then, and the other now depends only on the determination of the Ukrainians themselves.
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  1. biglow
    biglow 8 March 2014 08: 48
    +67
    Putin is waiting right, the economic situation in the former Ukraine will raise the people, now many of its residents still do not understand what happened, so factories are still working and many think that it will be possible to sit out ... But when the supply of gas at gas stations runs out, and now gas all export and comes from Belarus, then people will start to think what to do ...
    1. sinandju
      sinandju 8 March 2014 13: 22
      +38
      Putin is waiting right, the economic situation in the former Ukraine will raise the people, now many of its residents still do not understand what happened, so factories are still working and many think that it will be possible to sit out ... But when the supply of gas at gas stations runs out, and now gas all export and comes from Belarus, then people will start to think what to do ...

      I'm afraid you don't quite understand the situation correctly. Yesterday they showed a video from Poroshenko's Facebook page. "Promise the Russian-speakers whatever they ask, let them stop going out to rallies. We will crush them later and put them in jail and cut all this bastard." They have already begun to catch and plant all the most active ones. Without activists and organizers, people don't take to the streets so easily, at least in large crowds. Organization is required everywhere. Now time is working not only for Putin. but also against Bandera. Another couple of months and the rallies could collapse completely. There will be no one to simply take people out into the street. And if the number of protesters decreases, then Bandera's people will be free to remove all those they dislike under the sign of the law. And there will be no one to ask us for help. People will be intimidated. This is psychology. Most people are not heroes. When a pack of jackals is against you, and you are alone, a person prefers to remain silent. Genocide will begin, and we will not be able to do anything. Now our media speaks mostly only about Crimea, it seems that the rest of the government has decided to leave the rest.
      1. sniper
        sniper 8 March 2014 13: 48
        +37
        Quote: sinandju
        And the number of protesters will decrease - then Bandera’s hands will be untied to remove all those who are objectionable under the sign of the law. And no one will ask us for help. People are intimidated.

        To my great regret, you are completely right, most likely it will be so ... But to introduce troops ??? How do you imagine that ? Several hundred armed and trained terrorists, mixed with ordinary people can arrange this ... Inevitable losses, both from our troops and from the civilian population, and the losses are not small ... No, this scenario is not good ... Troops can to introduce only into the territory self-determined, with its own self-government and having formally applied for help and protection ... I see no other options ... Alas ...
        Unless the detachments of former special services fighters, such as the disbanded Golden Eagle, will help the regions to restore order, take on the protection of the leaders of the liberation movement, some public organizations will provide financial assistance to the participants of the liberation movement so that the protests take place not only on weekends ... Well, something like that, in my opinion ...
        1. cros
          cros 8 March 2014 14: 29
          +5
          Indeed, it is possible to help the population self-determined, having an Official governing body in the Southeast, this is not the case. Therefore, in the absence of an appeal from the official body, it will interfere in the internal affairs of the state. For the United States, this situation is not a problem: IRAQ, YUGOSLAVIA. In other cases, Libya, Syria fought mercenaries.
          1. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 9 March 2014 00: 07
            +14
            Interview with an Israeli intelligence officer.
            Good analysis of the situation and prospects.

            1. Current 72
              Current 72 9 March 2014 01: 04
              +8
              He carefully watched the video. He understood the situation correctly and clearly, and most importantly truthfully, put everything on the shelves. His conclusion was that the Ukrainians should decide everything absolutely correct. And that Russia will help in this, I have no doubt, but how it will help, time will tell. So Ukrainians need to think with their heads, and not with the place they are sitting on.
              1. v53993
                v53993 9 March 2014 07: 43
                0
                . His conclusion that Ukrainians should decide everything is absolutely correct.

                Actually, he said that everyone owes Jews. But essentially right, because Western Ukrainians are defective Jews
        2. vlademaev
          vlademaev 8 March 2014 21: 06
          +4
          But send troops ??? How do you imagine that ? Several hundred armed and trained terrorists, mixed with ordinary people can arrange this ... Inevitable losses, both from our troops and from the civilian population, and the losses are not small ... No, this scenario is not good ...

          What is there to imagine? Yes, not an easy walk is possible. But ... Bandera are not terrorist shahids. Different weight categories. Secondly, it is southeast. Covering them with "raspberries" will be easy enough - people will help. Arrest all the "political instructors", and the kid, of whom the "meat" of the Banderaites mainly consists, will scatter in the corners.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 8 March 2014 22: 25
            +6
            Quote: vlademaev
            Covering them with "raspberries" will be easy enough - people will help.

            who will help?

            I have such a popular opinion too now that the scale of protests in the southeast is still somewhat exaggerated ...
            today they showed a rally from Donetsk, they said that there were several thousand, and judging by the picture, it’s good if there were three or four hundred ...

            And yet, I already wrote about this, we will be able to send troops only after the referendum, because then they will blame us for the fact that the people did not invite us ...

            and objectively, we cannot now accept the southeast as part of the Russian Federation, this is not a small Crimea ...
          2. sniper
            sniper 9 March 2014 01: 04
            +4
            Quote: vlademaev
            people will help.

            Dear ... they themselves wrote:
            captured the leaders of the pro-Russian opposition in Kharkov and Donetsk.

            If they didn’t help their leaders ... Only five people took part in the capture ... And this is in the territory where sanity allegedly won ... Don’t tell my slippers ... It’s bitter, but it’s not Crimea and it’s sprinkled with Russian blood on the southeast hardly worth it ...
            1. Suhow
              Suhow 9 March 2014 03: 02
              -1
              dear Sniper.te hto fled even having abandoned their defense (VV and golden eagle in Kiev) -the leaders are not pulled and those whom you can trust-NO ...
          3. Suhow
            Suhow 9 March 2014 02: 56
            -1
            it’s not a fact that they’ll run away and it’s hard to fight with the underground. We also have enough fanatics here.
        3. erdixi
          erdixi 8 March 2014 21: 26
          +3
          Lost illusions are also a valuable asset.

          What is is pretty bad
          That which was is ashamed
          What will happen ?! Probably, yeah,
          That which is, and that which was ...
      2. from punk
        from punk 8 March 2014 14: 12
        +9
        Quote: sinandju
        Now our media mainly speaks only about Crimea, it seems that the government decided to quit the rest.

        you can’t rush into the Ukrainian whirlpool with your head. we can lose more. the tail is still not as homogeneous as the Crimea
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 8 March 2014 14: 33
        +19
        Quote: sinandju
        A couple of months and rallies can completely collapse. No one will just take people out into the street.

        Hunger and the final impoverishment of the population will lead ...
      4. wax
        wax 8 March 2014 21: 16
        +12
        Crimea is that link in the chain, grabbing at which you can extend the entire chain. It is impossible to solve everything at once.
        1. zadotov
          zadotov 8 March 2014 23: 46
          0
          I agree. Our annexation of Crimea and the official cantonment of Russian military units on its territory is a destabilizing factor for pro-Russian regions. But even the best analyst cannot predict the further development of events.
      5. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 8 March 2014 21: 45
        +15
        Quote: sinandju
        it seems that the government still decided to quit the rest

        Regarding aid, in the case of Yugoslavia, one clever Serb spoke out this way - the Russians cannot be more Serbs than the Serbs themselves! Those. now there really is no one to help, except for the Crimea. There they said their word and they won't play back with their heels. And in Odessa, Kharkov, etc. who to help, those who are sitting at home and waiting for "brother"? And then he will express himself, they say, the invaders came, I did not call you. Principle - my hut is on the edge, has always been strong.
      6. Evgeniy-111
        Evgeniy-111 8 March 2014 21: 51
        +17
        Russia can intervene in three cases:
        1. A variant of the Crimea. The people chose parliament, parliament appointed a government, leadership was chosen. They asked for help as legally elected authorities.
        2. Bendera began the genocide of the entire non-Ukrainian population of the country and Russia will have the right to intervene to protect the Russian-speaking population.
        3. The "Right Sector" with the military units that had recognized the new Kiev power began attacks on the Russian border regions. Then there is a 100% right to defense, with the ability to clean up ALL of Ukraine.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 8 March 2014 22: 28
          +4
          Quote: Evgeniy-111
          Russia can intervene in three cases:

          4 option: NATO troops will enter Ukraine ...
      7. dark_65
        dark_65 9 March 2014 01: 41
        +2
        then these ..... and deserve their fate. that they whine? they don’t want. they don’t have to. life will teach. have they groaned — for whom does the bell ring? Does the cock bite in the anus? no other way.
        or rather, Ukrainians need blood. Then they will understand their own blood-comes faster.
      8. Suhow
        Suhow 9 March 2014 02: 35
        0
        in case of repressions, the current moderately dissatisfied will begin active resistance underground. Yes, there were not only Natsik on the Maidan, but the underground is a serious thing and you Russians know this better than others — the tragic experience of Chechnya.
      9. SAVA555.IVANOV
        SAVA555.IVANOV 9 March 2014 02: 39
        +1
        “According to the expert, it is obvious that the missing MANPADS fell into the hands of radical nationalists from the Right Sector, who do not obey the current government of Arseniy Yatsenyuk and do not want to disarm, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine do not have real mechanisms to control their activities.” These are excerpts from the news. And since there are no mechanisms, it means they are already enemies of the common people, and how can we now fight the security forces without the help of other countries (Russia)? And to leave means to give up your legal right to vote against the putschists. This means that it is necessary to respond to the request to provide military assistance even from one Russian-speaking compatriot in Ukraine, or then again, step by step, restore the Slavic world.
      10. Myth
        Myth 9 March 2014 09: 12
        0
        And what surprises you buddy? The number one target is the Russian Crimea peninsula? The naval base is forever, and everything else is secondary goals, well, at least I see it that way.
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    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 8 March 2014 13: 32
      +69
      Now, from Ukraine, many people write that they came out on the square and asked for help from Russia, but the Red Army is not visible, and there are more and more bad guys with bats. Where is help, where is Russia?

      For Russia, so far the main thing is Crimea and Sevastopol ..! In order not to be plundered and destroyed ..! And let Ukraine first show their desire to be with Russia .. This scum appeared with your tacit consent ..! You gave birth to you and must destroy ..! But we don’t want to substitute our soldiers under the bullets of mercenaries and Bandera ..! We are like the USA ..art preparation first .... Come on, Ukraine, rise! Otherwise, the fat tax in the future you will start to pay and feed someone else’s army (there’s been no longer your own) .... I really feel sorry for your WWII veterans. They probably die in large numbers in Ukraine, seeing all this for which they shed blood .. Oh bl ...
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 8 March 2014 13: 54
        +9
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And let Ukraine first show its desire to be with Russia.

        Yes, let their hand be extended, and that’s all. But they want to be independent, and they wait, if it’s bad, Russia is to blame, if it’s even worse, then Ukraine
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 8 March 2014 14: 01
        +50
        Southeast Ukraine needs an example for decisive action! Russia will take Crimea into its membership if the referendum confirms this desire of the people of Crimea, then - “the domino principle!”, Otherwise in 1992 the Russian first prizeIdent drunk did not do a damn thing for Crimea and actually betrayed the ARC. Therefore, the people should clearly know that Russia will help. Then the deputies will be replaced and the governors will be taken out in the wheelbarrow of their administrations ...
        1. angarchanin
          angarchanin 8 March 2014 20: 32
          +6
          Already met in not so long ago with this: "Let someone set an example, and we will see ...." The situation is such that it is no longer possible to sit behind your back. The definition should be clear - for whom.
      3. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 8 March 2014 14: 13
        +58
        I have to agree with the previous speaker. Only I would like to add something. I am absolutely unacceptable (forgive me!) Ukrainian philosophy expressed in one word "ME" !!! And this applies to both sides. Let me explain. Maidanutyes dream of merging with Europe with bloody hands. Why ??? Europe will give money, NATO will protect. And what are they going to do themselves? That nothing !!! Have fun hunting for m.s.kaley.
        Take the other side. They somehow believe that in the dilemma Moscow or Kiev, he chose Moscow, (and lying on the couch!) And that's it! Russia tearing pieces from not too full of its citizens MUST feed and protect him !!!
        You don’t catch the similarities? Why is it that someone owes this to them! For 23 years they instilled Nazism in their country, didn’t they see this? For 23 years Russia explained to them all the bad Russia, the West is good, didn’t they see it too? And now they deigned (!) To look favorably towards R.ashka (and even a considerable part because of fear for their own skin!) And then the aforementioned R. SHOULD come running and solve his problems!
        Guys! Of course we will go, as someone here said "Russia has the destiny to save the Russian world", but we can hardly help those who lie on the couch! And sorry, there is no desire!
        1. rauffg
          rauffg 8 March 2014 14: 31
          +17
          But what about NATO? NATO does not even pull on a paper tiger with its teeth pulled out. NATO is simply a hoax, a shadow of itself and a mechanism for supplying cheap cannon fodder to the exotic colonial military of the richer and stronger countries of the Union. In them, the more “cheaper” ones can die completely pointless, but not worse than the trained soldiers of the less affluent member countries, who are still loyal to their governments. It is terrible to ask whether plans for all cases have been prepared for Poland, and how we are going to protect the Baltic states. What about Russia's defensive doctrine, which reserves the right to preemptive tactical nuclear strikes? Can gender generals of fictitious armies - in which women, transsexuals and homosexuals (with the exception of the Turkish army) - can imagine, that they have to fight with a well-armed opponent, able to fight without Western fizzy drinks, and not with half-naked militants with manually forged „ Kalashnikovs, who are called terrorists? Gender NATO is a fiction. Unfortunately, the Polish Foreign Minister was not able to even convene a meeting at the ministerial level, the time for the meetings of the ambassadors has already passed. Apparently, the Organization is even incompetent in the area of ​​document management.
          http://www.sdelanounih.ru/jexr/aHR0cDovL29ic2Vyd2F0b3Jwb2xpdHljem55LnBsLz9wPTE5N
          zQy
        2. Normal
          Normal 8 March 2014 15: 32
          +28
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          .And what are you going to do yourself? That is nothing !!! Have fun hunting for MAs Kale.


          Right. Zapadentsi will actively Ukrainize Russian-speaking.
          I deliberately write Russian-speaking, not Russian, because there are almost no Russians left on OkrAin. For more than 20 years, they ALL were proud of their difference from the Russians. What 20 years - much more. From childhood, from Soviet times, I remember the arrogance of Ukrainian cousins ​​from Kiev and Gorlovka towards us k-tsap. They ALWAYS believed that they fed the impoverished, bastard Russia.
          So no troops before the official appeal of the local authorities, supported by the masses.
          But targeted, unofficial work with activists, the attraction and organization of former Berkut members, the formation and financing of pro-Russian forces in the South-East of Ukraine is necessary. We must work for the very near future, since the "Right Sector" will not stop only at Ukraine, but will go to our regions. The West will only be glad of this, and will not refuse help and support to the Westerners.
          1. not good
            not good 8 March 2014 20: 30
            +6
            With the connivance of the authorities, the right in Ukraine, with the money of the West and the oligarchs, managed to organize, with the connivance of the authorities, not only a political, but also a security structure. All this time, instead of actively working to create and develop pro-Russian forces, it silently watched the development of events. Now, when the need arose for a leading and directing force, it turned out, as in Vysotsky's song: "There are few real violent, and there are no leaders ..." So it turns out that it is impossible to send troops because no one can legally ask, but to legally first asked to be organized. But without leadership and funding from the side, more than one popular movement will not stand against the well-organized and constantly financed maydanutyh. Therefore, until the popular protest has been stifled, it must be financed, organized and rallied. And the Russian government, if it does not hurry, will lose time and will invest money in receiving refugees. It is not known what will be more expensive. You can't hesitate, "delay is the death of the uprising" (V. I. Lenin)
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 8 March 2014 22: 34
              +3
              Quote: Negoro
              All this time, instead of actively working on the creation and development of pro-Russian forces, Russia silently watched the development of events. Now, when the need arose for a leading and guiding force, it turned out as in Vysotsky's song: “There are few real violent, so there are no leaders .. . "

              should Russia again?
              no, yourself, yourself ...

              no need to buy anyone, they have to do it themselves, decide once and for all with whom they ...
              otherwise their appetite will come with food, and after the counter-revolution they will sit on our neck and hang their legs ...
        3. Che Guevara
          Che Guevara 8 March 2014 20: 37
          +5
          I am surprised with you, Dmitrigorscov, there the state machine worked for bender and with the cash infusion of non-profit organizations, and the southeast was plowing in factories and mines, no one read or reported political studies to them there like everything is crap, but on the contrary, all the media shouted about the opposite yah and their shitty historical roots. There guys 25 years old felt flawed, they were drummed about the greatness of the West for 25 years. There is such a thing in psychology that if you tell a person a lie every day, he begins to believe in it. For 25 years they were forced to be passive in politics, and they became. This is not their fault, these are technologies that work absolutely in any nation (we have the same), here until you get in, you won't understand, but then it's too late to change anything, there is no strength. So it will be with the southeast, hotly and as long as there is no legal power, you can change something, but then when the power is legalized, and the cops, the SBU will receive "reliable" leadership, the hell who twitches, everything will be the same, if not tougher than in our marsh.
          1. pl675
            pl675 8 March 2014 23: 14
            -3
            Quote: Chegevara
            I am surprised with you, Dmitrigorscov, there the state machine worked for bender and with the cash infusion of non-profit organizations, and the southeast was plowing in factories and mines, no one read or reported political studies to them there like everything is crap, but on the contrary, all the media shouted about the opposite yah and their shitty historical roots. There guys 25 years old felt flawed, they were drummed about the greatness of the West for 25 years. There is such a thing in psychology that if you tell a person a lie every day, he begins to believe in it. For 25 years they were forced to be passive in politics, and they became. This is not their fault, these are technologies that work absolutely in any nation (we have the same), here until you get in, you won't understand, but then it's too late to change anything, there is no strength. So it will be with the southeast, hotly and as long as there is no legal power, you can change something, but then when the power is legalized, and the cops, the SBU will receive "reliable" leadership, the hell who twitches, everything will be the same, if not tougher than in our marsh.


            your koment to this video, if not difficult -

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNfw-QeWasE
            1. Waroc
              Waroc 9 March 2014 00: 46
              +1
              The answer is simple - the half-truth looks much more plausible than the pure truth - the comrade expresses a simple idea - he is for the so-called authorities in Kiev, but he is, like, against the riots - a good intention, but the road to HELL is paved with such intentions. Pure lies, only seasoned with an attempt to attract attention by saying that he was a peaceful demonstrator, and they did so wrong with him ... In Kiev, there were also purely peaceful "protistuvalniki" armed (apparently purely by accident, and this is actually not true - Molotov cocktails and clubs, and subsequently firearms) exclusively with flags and transporters ... And what happened in the end ...

              I draw the conclusion that the comrade in the video is a provocateur, bought for apparently "normal" grandmothers, and is lying to the lost one, because there are no traces of such cruel treatment on his deceitful face as he describes (and there would have been traces, he did not even bother to give his tale at least some semblance of reliability), in one word - FALSE, an attempt to pass white as black, and black as white !!!
      4. alekseinew
        alekseinew 8 March 2014 14: 48
        0
        here is a help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGm3IvBR8Zo
        1. PN
          PN 8 March 2014 16: 28
          +1
          The column is impressive. But what has the imperial flag flashed at 1:15?
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 8 March 2014 22: 35
            -1
            Quote: PN
            But what has the imperial flag flashed to 1: 15?

            This question has already been asked today by all Russian forums ...

            nobody understood anything ...
    4. AVV
      AVV 8 March 2014 13: 36
      +19
      Yes, and fuel for nuclear power plants is made in Russia, and it’s profitable for the West to close all nuclear power plants in Ukraine, people conclude where this Bendera’s drain is dragging you !!!
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 8 March 2014 13: 49
        -20%
        Quote: AVV
        Yes, and fuel for nuclear power plants is made in Russia,

        I’m always pleased with such experts, fuel in Russia, but what about almost all additives supplied by the West? It's just about fuel for ICE, and for nuclear power plants, there’s such a goblet, mom don’t grieve. No offense, a little more info.
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 8 March 2014 14: 11
          +4
          Quote: ele1285
          I’m always pleased with such experts, fuel in Russia, but what about almost all additives supplied by the West? It's just about fuel for ICE, and for nuclear power plants, there’s such a goblet, mom don’t grieve. No offense, a little more info.

          So share it. Gasoline, but nuclear fuel should be 100 percent of its own.
        2. RND
          RND 8 March 2014 14: 32
          +15
          Quote: ele1285
          Quote: AVV
          Yes, and fuel for nuclear power plants is made in Russia,

          I’m always pleased with such experts, fuel in Russia, but what about almost all additives supplied by the West? It's just about fuel for ICE, and for nuclear power plants, there’s such a goblet, mom don’t grieve. No offense, a little more info.

          Colleague, what additives does the West supply to Russian TVELs? Enlighten. NPPs in Ukraine operate on our technologies and on our fuel elements. They tried to make replacements, but they didn’t arrange a second Chernobyl.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 8 March 2014 15: 25
            0
            "What is the point of refueling the Rivne nuclear power plant, so that Sashko Bilyy comes to it with a gun and begins to blackmail half the continent with the new Chernobyl?"
            And then the refueling of the nuclear power plant and blackmail ?? The author writes outright garbage. the reactor is not a diesel engine, it is not so easy to turn it off, and even shut down reactors require serious maintenance ... And as for blackmail, this is a completely different topic ..
            1. GROOZD
              GROOZD 8 March 2014 21: 45
              +4
              SASHA TOGETHER WITH YANUKOVICH TO THE HAGUE TRIBUNAL FOR ONE BENCH, AND THEN TOGETHER IN ONE CAMERA. LET BETWEEN YOURSELF UNDERSTAND WHO WHO IS MORE THAN A PATRIOT.
            2. Suhow
              Suhow 9 March 2014 03: 18
              -1
              plus the NPP is adequately guarded itself was once in Kuznetsovsk (Rivne nuclear power station) it and 100 are unlikely to take it ..
    5. katastrofa
      katastrofa 8 March 2014 13: 53
      +12
      "The agency of Sergei Lavrov intends to provide the leadership of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) with evidence of the crimes committed by the participants of the protest camp on the Independence Square in Kiev."
      This was announced last night from the Russian Foreign Ministry
    6. katastrofa
      katastrofa 8 March 2014 14: 10
      +13
      Damn, even the Bulgarians gathered a rally - "in Sofia, a rally in support of Russia's actions in the Ukrainian conflict has gathered at the Russian Embassy!"
      1. Luga
        Luga 8 March 2014 14: 44
        -19%
        Our president has a decision to make. A tit in the hands or a crane in the sky. Get Crimea and start from scratch drawing Ukraine into the orbit of Russia, or after a few years get a stable friendly and strong state, indissolubly connected with Russia near its borders.

        In my opinion, the ideal outcome for Russia is not the annexation of Crimea, but its abandonment as part of Ukraine. Do not rush to minus. By joining one Crimea, we oppose ourselves to the rest of Ukraine, leaving it to be torn to pieces by Yarosh. For the zapadentsev we are invaders, for the southeast - traitors. Our Crimea, but the rest of Ukraine, including Kiev - the mother of Russian cities - will only get further from us.

        The ideal outcome is a profound reform of public administration in Ukraine, in the form of the creation of the Ukrainian Confederation of two entities: east and west. The confederation should be on such conditions that the central authority in it is purely nominal, the possibilities of influence of one subject on another are minimal, while the subjects of the confederation have the opportunity to solve all economic issues independently without looking at Kiev. Accordingly, and this is the main thing, it is necessary to revise the size of tax deductions to the center in the direction, naturally, of their significant reduction. In such a life, the West will quickly become poorer, the East will become richer. The central regions will naturally be pulled east and off and on. By the next election everything will be in chocolate.

        And in order for this to happen, it is necessary not to be content with the small Crimea, but rather actively promote the idea of ​​the Ukrainian Confederation in the eastern regions, persuade her oligarchsat the same time organizing mass demonstrations of citizens in cities, while stressing in every possible way the disinterest of Russia in the direct accession of the regions of Ukraine, which will satisfy ukro-patriots.

        In the place of the current Ukrainian government, I would have acted just like that - I would have taken the loss of Crimea as a given, which you can only put up with, but would isolate Crimea from the rest of Ukraine with constant threats and provocations, call everything that happens an occupation, and meanwhile restore its order in other disloyal regions. Well, they say, Russia offended us, but we will take revenge on them. It seems that the maydaunas are not quite downs, for that is exactly what they do. am
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 8 March 2014 14: 49
          +1
          ) that so that Ukraine and I are enemies. so shish them and not the Crimea!
        2. vostok68
          vostok68 8 March 2014 15: 19
          +4
          It seems you are right, but after 3-4 years, no one will care about western Ukraine! Well, it won’t be easy!
        3. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 8 March 2014 15: 49
          +19
          Luga
          Knowing the Luga border near Leningrad, I do not understand Luga in this article, with whom Luga was going to negotiate, with the oligarchy, completely tied to the Nazis-Bandera and, in addition, strange at first glance, but understandable from the events, the connection of Jewish money bags-Zionists like Kolomoisky and Beylakh with Yarosh and Tyagnibok. So with whom to negotiate? With the Kooynevskaya plague, increasingly enveloping Ukraine?
        4. Zomanus
          Zomanus 8 March 2014 16: 20
          +15
          Yeah. Only now, while we will do all this, in agreement with everyone (otherwise we will be wrapped up with our proposals), the Crimeans will simply be cut out like rams, and our fleet nafig from Sevastopol. And so we will have a fleet base, we will have a bridgehead for working with other areas, a crystallization point.
        5. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 8 March 2014 16: 55
          +12
          Dear Luga SU, I always like your deliberate comments, not from the floundering bay. But now I have to disagree with you. No, what you painted is definitely correct, but in this situation we play in a state of constant time pressure and pressure, from all sides , so as you say
          Quote: Luga
          Perfect outcome
          it’s something desirable, but utopian! I certainly agree with your program of action, but unfortunately we don’t have the time or resources to do it. And most importantly, it’s possible to pay for delay by blood!
        6. RONIN-HS
          RONIN-HS 8 March 2014 20: 44
          +11
          Comrad LUZH!
          Do you not see anything in the world except the events in Ukraine ...? And Big Arctic Fox - Crisis Crisis Where Has Gone? ALL countries from "day to day" are waiting for the collapse of the world economic system, and you kindly propose to postpone the decision "until later." Yeah, it's like pregnancy - it can resolve ... laughing
          Putin slowly but surely began defending the Russian Federation on the field. This is the Americans and NATO brazenly climb into our gardens. What for??? For the gifted I answer - to destroy Russia. This process has been going on for centuries, like this passage for you:
          "..." ... The power of Russia can only be undermined ... by the separation of Ukraine from her ... it is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, set the two parts of a single people against each other and watch how a brother will kill his brother. all that is needed is to raise traitors among the national elite and, with their help, change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it.
          Everything else is a matter of time. " Otto von Bismarck (1815 - 1898) 1st Reich Chancellor of the German Empire ".
          One fear, ONLY PUTIN WOULD NOT DRIFT, and did not back down ...
          And NOBODY will dodge a new redivision of the world, this is an objective historical process. So "... sit - don't sit, but start something NECESSARY!" angry
          We all have - SIMPLY NO TIME ...!
        7. wax
          wax 8 March 2014 21: 40
          +6
          I fundamentally disagree with you (at the same time I did not minus, since you expressed not a slogan, but an opinion). We cannot talk to the Kiev junta, because this will de facto mean recognition of the accomplished anti-constitutional pro-NATO and deeply anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox, anti-Russian coup. No wonder Obama insists on direct negotiations between Russia and the junta (well, there, with the mediation of the UN, the EU, which is of no fundamental importance). High-level negotiations with the Ukrainian "legitimate" authorities are unacceptable. By the way, the whole position on Crimea also rests on the concept of Kiev's "illegitimacy". Putin expressed his position bluntly and clearly at a press conference recently. The position is impeccable. As for the current government in Kiev, it has another concern - how to survive, otherwise they will not see freedom. At the same time, like bandits, they row and will row to the last. This will destroy them. Let the American and EU aid row, while we must freeze aid tranches and demand to pay for gas. Also, you must not miss the moment of customs closure. Liquidate all subsidiaries of Ukrainian banks. Only with a complete disregard for contacts with the Kiev supreme power will we allow them to tighten the noose around their necks. Ukraine has no future without Russia, and this factor is of increasing importance as the situation develops.
        8. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 8 March 2014 22: 41
          +2
          Quote: Luga
          The ideal outcome is a profound reform of public administration in Ukraine, in the form of the creation of the Ukrainian Confederation of two entities: east and west. The confederation should be on such conditions that the central authority in it is purely nominal, the possibilities of influence of one subject on another are minimal, while the subjects of the confederation have the opportunity to solve all economic issues independently without looking at Kiev.

          and who will do all this, my dear? who will carry out this reform, Bandera with maydanutymi? and why should they?

          we don’t have money in the budget for your revolution ...
          to bribe your oligarchs too ...
          1. Luga
            Luga 9 March 2014 01: 31
            +2
            He returned home and here on my comment is ... recourse winked
            I’ll try to explain more.
            To be content now with one Crimea, in my opinion, means to possess a tit, but to let go (possibly forever) of a crane. Those authors who say that we do not have time are absolutely right - there really is no time, only it is not in a global sense. In 10 years, those who were born after 1991 will come to power in Ukraine, and those who remember the great common past will retire. Perhaps this is the last chance for Ukraine to preserve its culture and mentality, and for Russia - to save a friend, ally and, in the future, a very significant member of the new supranational entity under the auspices of Russia. Therefore, you can’t rush, the responsibility is too great.
            I did not talk about official negotiations with the Maydan, and especially with the oligarchs. They themselves must offer this option, in the absence of others, in order to stay in power and preserve the acquired (stolen).
            Moreover, I did not speak of revolution.
            I spoke about the need to achieve maximum economic and political independence of the regions that are allied to us without the legal separation of Ukraine. You need to bargain with the oligarchs - their weakness is that they have something to lose, they have joint projects with our oligarchs.
            I talked about the fact that pushing away Ukraine now (and with the accession of Crimea, everyone who is still vacillating and doubting Ukrainians will take the side of the Maydan people), we risk pushing her into the arms of the geyropa, from which she will not get out, blaming it on us, not the geyropa , and, especially, not myself.
            To annex Crimea is to give a reason to bite the gay shawls (do not care, of course, but why?), And to limit itself to Crimea is to betray Kharkov, Donetsk, Odessa, the undecided Nikolaev, Kherson ... Zaporizhzhia, Poltava ...
            And only if our defeat in the remaining regions finally becomes inevitable - to take the Crimea and drink the bitter. There is no chance.
            1. demel2
              demel2 9 March 2014 06: 54
              +2
              In my opinion, not even ten years later, but in a year, NATO bases will already be there and then there will definitely be no chance.
            2. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 9 March 2014 11: 22
              +1
              Quote: Luga
              I spoke about the need to achieve maximum economic and political independence of the regions that are allied to us without the legal separation of Ukraine.

              how and who will achieve something?
              you speak with correct, but still slogans ...
              it's time to get back to reality ...
              Quote: Luga
              To annex Crimea is to give a reason to bite the gay shawls (do not care, of course, but why?), And to limit itself to Crimea is to betray Kharkov, Donetsk, Odessa, the undecided Nikolaev, Kherson ... Zaporizhzhia, Poltava ...

              so now you propose to give the Crimea to pieces?
              after that, all anti-Maidan protests in the regions will collapse by themselves, because they will understand that if something happens they don’t have anyone to rely on ...
        9. xan
          xan 9 March 2014 00: 58
          +5
          Quote: Luga
          In my opinion, the ideal outcome for Russia is not the annexation of Crimea, but its abandonment as part of Ukraine

          Yeah! To betray the Crimeans and Sevastopol residents is a very ideal option for Russia.
          Go to the garden, and I said softly, geopolitical horseradish
          1. Luga
            Luga 9 March 2014 01: 43
            -1
            Quote: xan
            Go to the garden, and I said softly, geopolitical horseradish

            In vain rude. I understand that the holiday itself is not without sin - I drank it. Usually I don’t put down my opponents, basically. I made an exception for you - for rudeness, for inattentive reading, unwillingness to think and understand.
            Good luck.
            1. xan
              xan 9 March 2014 22: 31
              +1
              Quote: Luga
              I made an exception for you - for rudeness, for inattentive reading, unwillingness to think and understand.

              Advise to think and understand Crimeans, thinker
        10. AndreyS
          AndreyS 9 March 2014 10: 05
          0
          Quote: Luga
          The ideal outcome is a profound reform of public administration in Ukraine, in the form of the creation of the Ukrainian Confederation of two entities: east and west.

          Unfortunately, there is no time for these actions!
          If we examine the current situation in detail, then we can draw an interesting conclusion! The Yankees, along with the EU, were very scared, scared so much that they were ready to recognize the fascists for legitimate power (do not consider them complete idiots). The plan for alignment with our president was designed until 2020, this is evidenced by the rearmament of the army and navy, but the calculation for the situation of practically armed conflict was a long time ago! Not in vain did they serve in the army for 1 year! (so more people will undergo training, at least minimal, that is, there will be millions of reservists trained in the minimum skills in military affairs) Ten years ago they began modernizing the supply of troops! And Serdyukov, as I understand it, was for averting eyes, for the west.
          I’m leading the thought: I think in terms of that it was to change everything in Ukraine, but somewhere it did not grow together. And now Crimea is like a red rag for all Natsiks (it does not sound cynical), but a red rag will make a big bunch of mistakes that cannot be corrected from across the ocean!
        11. builder
          builder 9 March 2014 22: 41
          0
          Quote: Luga
          In my opinion, the ideal outcome for Russia is not the annexation of Crimea, but its abandonment as part of Ukraine.
          1. bercut
            bercut 21 March 2014 13: 59
            0
            Let Korchinsky not scare us, we are already scared
    7. ele1285
      ele1285 8 March 2014 14: 20
      +9
      Yes, dear friends, yes, after the previous questions you started shouting: “No, no,“ Right Sector ”, of course, goes too far in some places, it's all terrible, disgusting, but this is not the whole Euromaidan, and we do not support ".

      No, gentlemen are good, it’s not they who are standing next to you. No, gentlemen are good, you are standing next to them. And since you support Euromaidan, you support this disgusting component of it. Or do you think that without the trained and armed young men of the "Right Sector" who broke through the defense of the "Golden Eagle", you would have succeeded? And if so, you, together with these scumbags, are responsible for all that hell and trash that is happening in Ukraine now.

      And yes, please, do not say "you do not see the difference between fascism and national socialism." Given the intellectual and moral level of the militants operating in Kiev, this is the difference between a hippopotamus and a hippopotamus.

      And yes, why was the first bill introduced in the new Parliament already on February 22, which was the abolition of responsibility for the glorification of fascism?

      And yes, why is Euromaidan in the worst traditions known who is launching reprisals against its defeated opponents?

      No, do you really think that Ukraine, where meetings of regional councils are held at gunpoint by Sasha Muzychko, is that Ukraine in which you want to live and raise children? Do you really think that Ukraine, where the only thing that Muzychko DOES THE MINISTER OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS MYSELF is to threaten him on a Facebook post, is this the Ukraine that the EU will be happy with?

      No, wide Ukrainians, “pranks” Muzychko are not individual accidents. This is just what got on the Internet. And what is not horrible


      Naive question №4. Why Euromaidan glorifies fascist Bandera?

      A word to Alexander Sych, deputy chairman of the Svoboda party, deputy prime minister in the new government of Arseniy Yatsenyuk. Statements about the leadership of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), an interview from 22 in September 2009 g .:

      [Stepan] Bandera is a phenomenal organizer, [Yaroslav] Stetsko is a sample of a diplomat and international politician, [Roman] Shukhevych is an outstanding military strategist, [Stepan] Lenkavsky is a brilliant ideologue.

      Word - Stepan Bandera: Lyakhov, destroy the Jews, communists without mercy.

      A word to Roman Shukhevych: To treat Jews like the Poles and Gypsies: to destroy mercilessly and not regret anyone (clan)

      A word to Yaroslav Stetsko: I stand on the positions of extermination of the Jews and the expediency of transferring to Ukraine the German methods of exterminating Judaism, excluding their assimilation (clac)

      Yes, you can say: in Russia, too, many glorify Stalin, who deported Western Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, and even carry his portraits at demonstrations.

      But.

      Those who praise Stalin, and repression is considered the ideal of public administration, are on the sidelines of Russian political life, in the marginal sector, which will hardly ever become mainstream. We, the residents of a multinational country, even in a nightmare, do not dream of Zheleznyak or Zhirinovsky from the rostrum of parliament justifying the deportations of entire nations.
      1. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 8 March 2014 15: 53
        +5
        ele1285 (
        Rave?
        Do you think that the scum that is nation-wide, all these Bandera, Shukhevych and other rabble and the SUPREME, who in 1945 celebrated the VICTORY over the brown plague, are equivalent?
        You’re my friend, at least very unlucky, but by and large, you’re exactly the same c = accomplice of all this national scum in Ukraine, if you write this.
        Gray, BLACK will be brought to power, and Black will be removed from the front of the story only RED, you, not a very smart person, from the GRAY breed. Just remember, BLACK coming to power always cuts the gray population.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 9 March 2014 15: 28
          -1
          well, at least learn to write in Russian, adiet, one verbiage is a dog
      2. Anper
        Anper 8 March 2014 16: 43
        +2
        Quote: ele1285
        A word to Yaroslav Stetsko: I stand on the positions of extermination of the Jews and the expediency of transferring to Ukraine the German methods of exterminating Judaism, excluding their assimilation (clac)

        A word to Kostya Pankivsky, anti-Soviet, Russophobe, leader of the Ukrainian government in 1941, Lviv (my translation)
        Y. Stetsko, as the head of the Management Board, was unable to earn ... neither personal sympathy, nor the necessary respect among our people ... Leading person at the OUN, so self-confident in meetings and speeches in front of society ... in conversations with Dr. Koch .. . Looked like a delinquent boy, lying to his children’s pranks ...
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 8 March 2014 17: 22
          +1
          Anper
          A donkey in Gromada monument,
          restored ...
          Donkey on the monument
          With a trident in J....
          Otkel is so unseen in the capital?
          Yes then raguli, brought us a donkey
          The donkey's name is Bandera.
          And next to that donkey
          grazing, eating up
          Shukhevych.
          Nearby, covered in bloody foam
          Yarosh.
          A little off, wounded in a dupa
          heels
          donkey yelling
          what they call Julia.
          In short, in the menagerie,
          gathered
          the dumbest
          blood black
          beast from hell.
          In that hell, back in 45
          they plunged you once.
          REPEAT required?
          Repeat you will be.

          One Bandera man wrote in verse, he had to answer, it was somewhat uncomfortable, not in rhyme, but it is understandable how to respond to all this BROWN infection.
      3. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 8 March 2014 17: 04
        +7
        For some reason, there are so many, almost all! Stalin’s deportations a priori are considered brutal, inhuman and, most importantly, unfair. I won’t throw any links. There are plenty of material. Read and then we’ll talk.
        1. RONIN-HS
          RONIN-HS 8 March 2014 21: 03
          +5
          And 450.000 Americans (ethnic Japanese) after Pearl Harbor sent to camps ... ???
          And England, the stronghold of tolerance and humanism - sent all GERMANS living on the GB land to Canada, to camps, where upon arrival they were given three meters of rope (as a "joke") - to hang themselves ... ??? Many, by the way, did so after a couple of months ...?
          For 16 years I lived in the Arctic, where Stalin sent Germans, Lithuanians, Kalmyks, Chechens. From those who were then children, I know that ON THE ROAD it was extremely difficult (but fed and guarded), upon arrival I immediately had a tool in my hands, a task to settle down and a half plan for fishing. And the work was very hard, but NEAR all the local Russians worked in the same way (there were also gonads evacuated to 1942 from St. Petersburg). It was very hard for everyone, not only deported ... WAR.
      4. raven75
        raven75 8 March 2014 19: 57
        +7
        Actually, at that time, these peoples were deported for the cause. Stalin showed generosity uncharacteristic of him. Deported. But in fact, according to the laws of the country, all these freaks were entitled to the death penalty.
    8. Mr. Whirlwind
      Mr. Whirlwind 9 March 2014 05: 35
      +1
      Awaiting pending final decision with Crimea. If the referendum in Crimea confirms joining the Russian Federation, then the remaining thousands of Ukrainian troops who did not go over to the side of the Crimeans should be disarmed and withdrawn from the peninsula.
      Then it is already possible to really help the most prepared for this help Russian-speaking region of Ukraine.
      And do not forget that the territory of Ukraine exceeds the territory of France in its area - the largest in the country of Western Europe. Therefore, spraying their forces in many directions simply does not work.
    9. brosai_kurit
      brosai_kurit 18 March 2014 03: 08
      0
      What to expect Something to the East of Ukraine ALREADY came Kiev defenders of the Maidan with weapons and tanks. And the self-defense units of the Southeast have only hunting weapons, and there are no tanks at all

      THE CASE IS NOT IN PETROL AND NOT IN MONEY. THE FASCISTS HAVE ALREADY COME TO KILL, AND TO PROTECT SOME PEOPLE. After the Crimea, our Russian media are generally silent about the situation in the South-East of Ukraine. I have brothers in Donetsk. The Maidan Defense Army stands near Donetsk itself. People are waiting for help from Russia, they do not have a single leader, and those in the Southeast are arrested one after another by the Kiev authorities.

      THE BROTHER ASKS ME ME WHERE YOUR RUSSIAN TANKS ARE WHEN YOU WILL COME - AND I SAY SAYS Nothing ... I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO ... PEOPLE FEAR FOR HIMSELF, BECAUSE THERE IS THEM FOR THEM.
      And in the news about Ukrainian Southeast silence! Here!
  2. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 8 March 2014 12: 45
    -22%
    A good article in itself. But tired of procrastinating this topic already. There is no genocide of the Russian-speaking population, there is no bloodshed, there are no junta militants in the southeast - there is no reason to send Russian troops to the territory of independent Ukraine
    1. ars_pro
      ars_pro 8 March 2014 13: 08
      +34
      There is a respected all this truth is not in mass forms yet pointwise, but there is! They have already decided to ban sites in the Russian language, and this is only the beginning of the oppression of our people by the Kiev junta, and they just bake them on a plane and flew away, and you sort of figure it out yourself, that's all politics, at the same time, quarreling peoples at the direction of the usa, so !
      1. bercut
        bercut 8 March 2014 13: 17
        +7
        Moreover, it will be so as soon as the west reaches its goals, and the gentlemen the impostors will get enough
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 8 March 2014 14: 09
          +2
          Quote: bercut
          Moreover, it will be so as soon as the west reaches its goals, and the gentlemen the impostors will get enough
          They say the gold reserves of Ukraine were taken out yesterday by an unknown cargo plane ...
          1. bercut
            bercut 8 March 2014 20: 55
            +2
            Well, that's what was required to prove, although not everything is true what they say. But the goals of these "comrades" are quite clear. Although they diverge from the WEST and Zapadentsev, they are still in the same team, but very soon the "Bandera" will kick, unless the remnants are sold to the West
      2. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 8 March 2014 14: 47
        +1
        This is the fifth or sixth article in the last four days. with the same content. Words change the order, some facts are added. From what is banned, for example, "Voennoye Obozreniye" in Ukraine, the number of articles of the same type on this resource will not increase the number of readers. Don't confuse soft with warm.

        If the article wrote "we are being killed, but where is the help?" then it would be another article. And another conversation
    2. Genur
      Genur 8 March 2014 13: 10
      +6
      How not to be late. We got used to postponing everything "for later" ...
    3. Thompson
      Thompson 8 March 2014 13: 19
      +8
      What are we waiting for? Second Kosovo? The direction vector, which is taken by the new authorities in Ukraine, is so clear. They will not change their minds, they will only begin to cunningly pursue their policies. . They don’t think. They think it’s not in Kiev at all ... Recall that the United States spoke of Pinochet- YES, HE IS BAD, BUT HE IS OUR! Comments are unnecessary!
      1. Aleksandr68
        Aleksandr68 8 March 2014 13: 37
        +4
        They said only not about Pinochet. "Yes, Samos is a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch!"
      2. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha 8 March 2014 14: 33
        +1
        In I was just thinking, however brave the entry into the Crimea would turn into a second Pristina. There we remember, they also bent everyone and put them in a dumb position, but in the end ... In general, in the light of the last misunderstandings, it’s alarming somehow ...
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 9 March 2014 01: 02
          0
          Quote: Ivan Tucha
          did not turn into a second Pristina. There we remember, they also bent everyone and put them in a dumb position, but in the end ...

          In the summer of 1999, who was "in charge" of Russia? Not EBN and his team?
      3. bercut
        bercut 8 March 2014 20: 58
        +1
        Well, I must say directly that Ukraine as a single country is unlikely to exist, the differences are very strong. There is only one way out to remove the whole new elite, but this is unlikely to succeed, so the split of the country is very high, it is already looming on the horizon
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    5. Stalker
      Stalker 8 March 2014 13: 22
      +27
      there is no reason to send Russian troops to the territory of independent Ukraine




      The Secretary of State runs into the oval office of the White House.
      - Mr. President, Russian troops entered the Crimea!
      - How?! Without bombing and shelling ?! Barbarians !!!
      1. bercut
        bercut 8 March 2014 21: 03
        +2
        Well, our army has the honor, and if we fight, then honestly, but we are only capable of bombing, moreover, peaceful cities, so everyone there is stubborn, albeit large, but their spirit is weak. They do not have the experience of large direct clashes in contrast to the Russian Army
  3. lord
    lord 8 March 2014 13: 05
    +16
    if we miss Ukraine, we will lose Russia in the future for Ukraine, we must fight to the end
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 8 March 2014 13: 08
    +7
    Well, it is not for nothing that Yatsenyuk runs to seek financial help URGENTLY !!!

    Yatsenyuk hurries IMF with financial assistance
    On Friday, March 7, the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk held a meeting with the Director of the European Department of the International Monetary Fund Rez Mogadam. This was reported by the Department of Information and Communication of the Secretariat of the CMU. During the meeting, the parties analyzed the difficult economic situation in Ukraine. It was noted that negotiations with the IMF should be completed as soon as possible, since Ukraine needs immediate financial assistance. Recall, on March 4, the mission of the International Monetary Fund began in Kiev. An agreement on the work of the Fund’s specialists was reached at the end of February, when the Ukrainian government asked the IMF to resume dialogue. The estimated amount of financial assistance that Ukraine expects to receive is about $ 15 billion over 2,5 years.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-140717.html
    1. bercut
      bercut 8 March 2014 13: 15
      +4
      This money is not enough to even out the situation, and given that the authorities in Ukraine are crooks, the plight of the Ukrainian economy will remain for a long time
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 8 March 2014 13: 22
      +9
      Let the IMF slurp, we slurped - I didn’t like it somehow. Ukraine where was 23 of the year? on your globe or what?
      Happy Holidays!
  5. bercut
    bercut 8 March 2014 13: 12
    +8
    Sooner or later, we will have to move on to certain actions, as the brown bastard in Donetsk will not stop. And given that Bandera’s educated leaders do not have, then most likely we should expect rough provocations
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 8 March 2014 13: 17
      +6
      Quote: bercut
      Bandera educated leaders do not, then most likely we should expect rough provocations

      they have "educated" Americans and rejected bosses! And oh, it is not unimportant!
      1. bercut
        bercut 8 March 2014 21: 09
        +1
        We will help the Natsiks only as long as they need it, and this will not last long for a number of reasons: firstly, if we can’t squeeze Crimea, and we see that it’s unlikely to succeed if they cannot take control of Bandera, and this is also unlikely to succeed, they will simply crush the country, arm the bastard and get out.
    2. Stalker
      Stalker 8 March 2014 19: 12
      +2
      And when you consider that Bandera’s educated leaders do not have

      ... then their "army" will look like this ...
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  6. Genur
    Genur 8 March 2014 13: 13
    +1
    The headline in the NEWSPAPER is very doubtful:
    ... "Lukashenko: I am friendly with the Maidanites, we have common goals for Ukraine." Something is wrong here ...
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 8 March 2014 13: 24
      +2
      Quote: Genur
      ... "Lukashenko: I am friendly with the Maidanites, we have common goals for Ukraine." Something is wrong here ...


      Friendly !? Lukashenko !? laughing TA-dah! Friendly Like a dog with a stick! laughing Thinly troll.
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      2. Stalker
        Stalker 8 March 2014 19: 31
        +2
        Friendly !? Lukashenko !? laughing That yes! Friendly Like a dog with a stick! laughing subtly troll.

        Someone on his behalf will set up Old Man
        1. operator35
          operator35 8 March 2014 19: 49
          -3
          Quote: Stalker
          Friendly !? Lukashenko !? laughing That yes! Friendly Like a dog with a stick! laughing subtly troll.

          Someone on his behalf will set up Old Man

          Old Man is not as simple as it seems, he is also ours and yours ...
          1. operator35
            operator35 8 March 2014 23: 29
            -1
            to me on the cons .., but when they put it like that unreasonably-childish like that ...
  7. siberalt
    siberalt 8 March 2014 13: 15
    +16
    Russia can’t interfere there with army bayonets. So far there is no extraordinary situation and bloodshed. Even the "weaning" of Crimea will put the whole pseudo-state structure of Kiev on the ears. Nezalezhnost covered with a copper basin. Let's face it. A humanitarian catastrophe could be avoided here! Which is very even on the horizon. And this plays into the hands of our enemies in the geopolitical aspect. The most powerful support of the Russian relatives from many cities of Russia clearly forced the Westerners to pin their ears. And there is no way to rush events. Here Wasserman is right about something. No one wants non-viable miscarriages. And Russia is not a world shelter for everyone. "I left the hut and went ..." No, not to fight, but to another, where it is warmer and more satisfying. It’s not in Russian anymore.
  8. alone
    alone 8 March 2014 13: 15
    -23%
    So for now, the Resistance has no leaders, and how people will really begin to sit without light, heat and bread, there will be


    will you starve women and children? The author clearly goes too far. Such actions can finally lose those who still doubt in their hearts. And the leaders who appeared in this situation still do not know where to lead the crowd. Do you think there will not be those who will be used situation for their own purposes.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 8 March 2014 13: 26
      +14
      Quote: lonely
      will starve women and children?

      No need to juggle, they have husbands and fathers, let them feed.
      1. alone
        alone 8 March 2014 13: 38
        -14%
        This is not a juggle. The author of the article is a provocateur to the bone. And his advice does not contribute to the normalization of relations. For someone to understand that Russia wants the Ukrainian people well, it is not necessary to turn off the light and water. There are more reasonable options for this.
        For starters, you can at least start contacts at ministerial levels. Further escalation of tension, moreover on both sides, will not lead to good.
        1. alone
          alone 8 March 2014 13: 41
          -3
          As always, only one person found the courage to explain their minus. The rest, like hamsters, throw minuses. Hamsters, I have your minuses to one place. As you yourself.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 8 March 2014 14: 19
            +9
            Well, here the Lonely rolled down to rudeness. Ay-yai-yay.
          2. Platov
            Platov 8 March 2014 14: 25
            +7
            "For a start, you can at least start contacts at the ministerial levels. Further escalation of tension, moreover, on both sides, will not lead to good." before that, contacts were virtual at the plebeian level, whether you dishonor yourself or feed yourself so write about it directly, any legitimate work requires respect. I rarely put a minus on sheer stupidity.
          3. shuhartred
            shuhartred 8 March 2014 14: 26
            +12
            Quote: lonely
            As always, only one person found the courage to explain their minus. The rest, like hamsters, throw minuses. Hamsters, I have your minuses to one place. As you yourself.

            What does courage have to do with it? I did not like the man, he minus and reads on. Why should you explain something? And you really distort. That is, Russia is obliged to support Ukraine by receiving mud flows in gratitude? No one ever appreciates what he has at the expense of others. Water in taps, heat in houses, gas in pipes, electricity. All this cannot be given simply to Uncle Vasya. This is all given to the state, the government. And now there’s no one to talk to.
          4. AndreyS
            AndreyS 9 March 2014 10: 27
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            This is not a juggle. The author of the article is a provocateur to the bone. And his advice does not contribute to the normalization of relations.

            I didn’t set a minus, but I can object to everything that you wrote! Of course, you will forgive me please, but I will ask the question - Why is Russia obliged to feed and warm those who hate it, those who stole without a twinge of conscience for many years, did not pay even at the lowest prices for gas? Ukraine is an INDEPENDENT state, I will once again emphasize an INDEPENDENT state. And do not hold the Russians for suckers (yes they will give gas anyway, only so that children, women and the elderly would not suffer)! Such as Yarosh, Muzichko and all sorts there next to them understand only the position of power.
        2. kare
          kare 8 March 2014 14: 02
          +5
          Quote: lonely
          For starters, you can at least start contacts at ministerial levels. Further escalation of tension, moreover on both sides, will not lead to good.

          Like this, contacts at ministerial levels. Which of the so-called ministers do you want to agree with? What are your last names?
          cons did not set
          1. alone
            alone 8 March 2014 19: 34
            -4
            Quote: kare
            Like this, contacts at ministerial levels. Which of the so-called ministers do you want to agree with? What are your last names?

            I can’t give names, because I’m not familiar with the names of those who were appointed in Kiev.
            But the ministers of energy, industry, culture and many other departments can very productively contact each other. Well, let's turn off the water, start cutting down the light. Do you think it will raise people against them? Do you think they have not calculated these options? Think they don’t fallback options?

            those who propose to do this, at least understand the fact that Crimea depends more on Ukraine’s electricity supply than Ukraine on Russia. And if you turn off all this, Crimeans will suffer the first debt.
            That’s why I write that it won’t benefit anyone.
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            2. Stalker
              Stalker 8 March 2014 22: 01
              +2
              those who propose to do this, at least understand the fact that Crimea depends more on Ukraine’s electricity supply than Ukraine on Russia. And if you turn off all this, Crimeans will suffer the first debt.

              N-yes .... Such trifles are now resolved one-two, Sir! hi . Throwing through the strait where ferries go, 2 pipes and cable is not a problem .... lol
            3. Suhow
              Suhow 9 March 2014 03: 40
              -1
              I put you +
        3. Ivan.
          Ivan. 8 March 2014 14: 03
          +9
          Quote: lonely
          The author of the article is a provocateur to the bone. And his advice does not contribute to the normalization of relations

          Alone!
          In general, your statements are similar to provocative. The Russians fought in the Second World War with the brown plague and the result is known, and now you are proposing to support the brown regime imposed by the West for fear that famine could happen in the occupied territories. Sorry, but the analogy with polling "rain" - that it would be better to surrender Leningrad to save people's lives, is absolutely direct. I can't even believe that you lived in the USSR. Do not provoke people and there will be no downsides.
          1. alone
            alone 8 March 2014 19: 24
            -1
            brown plague fought all the peoples of the USSR. Enough to ascribe a common victory for themselves.
            I am already enraged by such statements: if the Russians fought for 4 years, when for what and why did my grandfather die near Smolensk in the 43rd? Why did another grandfather work 16 hours a day working in the oil fields, having the 3rd disability group? If even theoretically allow the Browns to seize power in the West and therefore it is necessary to turn off the water and all the vital arteries of the regions, you personally as a person will take responsibility for the death of at least one dead child who cannot be saved because there is no light to operate on .
            I also hate fascists and Nazis, and besides everyone, regardless of nationality.
            I am disgusted with the one who shouts "Russians at the knife" as well as the one who in Moscow raises the banner of the 3rd Reich and stands in front of everyone, hung with the symbols of the Reich.
            But I do not understand those who, urging to fight against fascism, push the fighters to fall to the level of fascists. hi
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 8 March 2014 20: 30
              +6
              Quote: lonely
              I am already enraged by such statements. If all 4 years the Russians fought, when for what and why did my grandfather die near Smolensk in the 43rd?

              On you so on you. It can be seen that rage, where did I mention that only the Russians fought? I remember everything perfectly, and if I mentioned only Russians, then because I mentioned in connection with this conflict, which concerns only Russians and a few Tatars. Ukrainians are the same Russian only reformatted.
              Quote: lonely
              Even if we theoretically allow the Browns to seize power in the West and therefore we must turn off the water and all the vital arteries of the regions

              Firstly, they practically captured, secondly, what is the basis for the statement about turning off the water and all vital arteries? It was really about disconnections, but from the side of banderlogs, it was they who threatened to disconnect Crimea from all of the above and now these issues will have to be resolved in an emergency!
              All that can be infringed on the stub of Ukraine is that they will not receive fuel of all kinds for free, and to put it mildly, it is not surprising to remember their hatred bordering on insanity + communications and production chains will be lost that will undermine the economy (due to the Euro association). Do not believe me, look at Ukrainian TV and Internet channels and comments, as well as those who have seized power, whose desire is only to rob and kill mos-kaley. Why should Russia give free again, let your richer country feed them if you feel sorry for them.
              Quote: lonely
              But I do not understand those who, urging to fight against fascism, push the fighters to fall to the level of fascists.

              Does this have any direct or indirect relation to me?
              I hope that on your part I’m simply not understanding the situation, then just contact the guys from Ukraine for explanations, they will explain and there will be no conflicts.
              1. alone
                alone 9 March 2014 00: 23
                -1
                Quote: Ivan.
                , where did I mention that only Russians fought?

                . The Russians fought in the Second World War with the brown plague and the result is known, and now you are proposing to support the brown regime imposed by the West for fear that hunger could happen in the occupied territories.

                It wasn’t written by me. And you are Ivan (Come on you, it’s more convenient).

                Quote: Ivan.
                Does this have any direct or indirect relation to me?

                No, this does not apply to you, but to all those who propose to do this. Unfortunately, there are those in the forum who propose to act by the same methods.
                1. Ivan.
                  Ivan. 9 March 2014 01: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: lonely
                  It wasn’t written by me. And you are Ivan

                  If something is misunderstood, better ask again,
                  In order for someone to understand that, Russia wants the Ukrainian people well, it is not necessary to turn off the light and water. There are more reasonable options for this.

                  You see, you presented claims only to Russia, and therefore I justified it, I could have guessed. On the account that not only Russians live in Russia - those who love their homeland (not only small) Russia call themselves Russian Tatar, Russian Chuvash, Russian Dagestan, etc. This is the reason that I said that the Russians fought and note the words were not won because in this context it is not important, it is important that they are sworn enemies. If I mentioned victory, I would be forced to emphasize that not only Russians deserved it. And in World War II, not only the peoples of the USSR fought against the brown plague, but many other peoples, including Germans, anti-fascists. Be careful and don’t say something that you’re not sure about.
          2. Suhow
            Suhow 9 March 2014 03: 43
            0
            fought in the Second World War, not only Russian, I would say Soviet!
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 8 March 2014 14: 10
          +9
          Quote: lonely
          Further escalation of tension, moreover on both sides, will not lead to good.

          And what to do with the already held "escalation of tension"? Your claims to the wrong address, the US is escalating tensions, this should have been thought about before the Maidan.
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        5. Normal
          Normal 8 March 2014 16: 06
          +9
          Quote: lonely
          As always! Only one person found the courage to explain his minus. The rest like hamsters throw minuses

          I do not put minuses, although there is a desire and reasons.
          Quote: lonely
          The author of the article is a provocateur to the bone. And his advice does not contribute to the normalization of relations.

          First of all. The opinion of the author that does not coincide with yours is not yet a provocation or, as we like to write "nonsense". Therefore, who is the provocateur to the bone is still a question. Do not throw accusations and negative definitions. There is nothing provocative in the article. Politics and interethnic relations are not the literature of the Silver Age or the Soviet friends of the people. This is pragmatics.
          If foreign policy is not pragmatic to cynicism, then this policy is not in the interests of its own population. What kind of normalization of relations are we talking about? For more than 20 years, an anti-Russian policy has been pursued in UkrAin, and all this time there have not been any significant protests against this. Who do you propose to normalize relations with? With Sashko DeBily and others like him? Or with those who did not lift a finger in order to prevent such sashki from getting to power?

          Quote: lonely
          will starve women and children?


          What kind of demagoguery? Why should we think about the citizens of another state? They decided and turned to us for help? No! Did they organize and fight back the zapadentsam? Also no! (Well, unless very long and far from everywhere)
          Nezalezhnih harsh climate and poor soil? Missing agricultural skills? What kind of hunger are we talking about? Are we obliged to feed the citizens of another state? You still remember the famine.
          Sorry for women and children of Ukraine? No one forbids Azerbaijan to take UkrAina for allowance.
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        8. Boatsman_Palych
          Boatsman_Palych 8 March 2014 21: 40
          +5
          PMSM, copyright. Russians cannot be more Ukrainians than Ukrainians themselves. Historical example: relations with Bulgaria since 1977. The Russians started a war for its independence, shed a sea of ​​blood. And brothers-Bulgarians in BOTH world wars were against Russia, as now. In addition, the UNSPOIED introduction of troops by many Ukrainians will be perceived as an occupation - their euphoria has not yet passed from the "popular" elections of ministers on the Maidan. And you confuse, the junta is going to turn off the light and water in the Crimea, not Russia-Ukraine. Contacts even at ministerial levels on the part of the Russian Federation are a recognition of the legitimacy of the junta. It was not Russia that started the escalation of tension: ask yourself the question why the junta FIRST of doing declared about the deprivation of Russian rights, and did not start establishing elementary order; and thirdly, it announced the inclusion of Nazi "hundreds" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia only accepted the challenge of the Nazi junta. She has already proved that she will act decisively.
        9. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 8 March 2014 21: 56
          +3
          Lonely

          I'll try to explain to you. According to your post, you say that Russia will turn off electricity and water, while the article talks about the internal crisis in Ukraine. They will turn everything off for themselves. And tell me what kind of contacts, with what ministers? And there is no need to talk about further escalation of tension. Do they talk in Russia about the prohibition of the Ukrainian language? In Russia, crowds go around the cities shouting "Khokhlov - to knives!" Try to look at the situation not only from one side.
        10. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 9 March 2014 01: 11
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          For starters, you can at least start contacts at ministerial levels

          Russia had the sad experience of negotiating with bandits (Budennovsk, 1995). Keep your advice to yourself.
        11. kotvov
          kotvov 9 March 2014 11: 22
          0
          I explain why I set a minus, you can’t negotiate with an illegitimate government. Having entered into negotiations, you acknowledge it. Hamsters scatter you in vain, you are too lazy to write to someone, and someone may not be able to form their thoughts.
    2. Alekst
      Alekst 8 March 2014 14: 40
      -1
      I'll put a plus. Although I do not quite agree.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 8 March 2014 19: 19
        +4
        Lonely.

        I put you a minus. I do not like your tone and your opinions. But I am not obliged to explain anything to you.

        And do not slip into open rudeness - I will pack in a ban very quickly.

        If you consider yourself the truth in all instances - for God's sake, but do not impose this on everyone.
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 9 March 2014 11: 32
          0
          and you go there, in a ban I’m packing. maybe he sees it this way, but he just doesn’t understand what this “right sector” is, but soon, I think, this will manifest itself fully.
    3. wax
      wax 8 March 2014 21: 54
      +3
      We have been helping Ukrainians for 22 years, but where did the help go? - went into the capital of the Ukrainian oligarchs (in the hands of the 100 richest citizens of Ukraine capital is as much as 80 percent of their budget). Here the citizens of Ukraine starve their old people, women and children, and older children will defend these, if I may say so, "citizens" with weapons in their hands, arguing that it is the Russians who are blaming Ukrainians and are cursed pits who betrayed their brothers. In this case, we must set an example in Crimea.
  9. ed65b
    ed65b 8 March 2014 13: 16
    +13
    Andrei thinks right. But Sanya is not right yet
    genocide of the Russian-speaking population, there is no bloodshed, there are no junta militants in the southeast - there is no reason to send Russian troops to the territory of independent Ukraine
    Everything is in the quote. And the leader must be sought and protected. Gubarev then leaked. in a safe house or is it elementary negligence, mobile computers, etc. conspiracy, conspiracy and again conspiracy.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 March 2014 14: 17
      +7
      Quote: ed65b
      conspiracy and again conspiracy.

      What a conspiracy of public man against special services! Gubarev could send his family to Russia, taken out due to constant threats, only through a living corridor! What does genocide mean? Yes, 10% of the population is not destroyed, but even for the crumbs of information that they get to know that the population is being terrorized, robbed, raped and even killed across the country! There are even those killed among friends and relatives among readers of VO and not one. Of course, it’s silly to introduce troops so far, but how can help be different? Even in the time of Lenin, the revolutionaries helped each other, maybe she is still there, only we don’t see her, but it’s a pity ...
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 8 March 2014 15: 05
        +6
        After VVP spoke about the possibility of bringing in troops, the "friendship trains" did not leave the Maidan to the east. In fact, the GDP prevented a massive mix-up. And regarding friendly help, the article has the answer:
        Well, let's first figure it out. Who asks for help? Protesters? Some of the protesters call Russia, and in the next square other protesters call NATO. Who do you want to count as people? The reality is that so far no region, except Crimea, has appealed for help - and, therefore, has not received it. Even Donetsk is not considered yet, although it has advanced the furthest.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 8 March 2014 15: 33
          +2
          Quote: MainBeam
          After VVP spoke about the possibility of bringing in troops, the "friendship trains" did not leave the Maidan to the east.

          Quote: MainBeam
          And about friendly help, the article has the answer:

          I strongly agree with the first and vice versa, because it is clear that I was not talking about rallies, but about helping specific people in specific difficulties (information, material and technical support).
      2. Suhow
        Suhow 9 March 2014 03: 52
        -1
        I live in Kiev with some difficulties, but so far they are small and it’s good that they do not grow.
  10. vo.dum
    vo.dum 8 March 2014 13: 17
    +9
    Yes, after all the people take weapons, it will be difficult to pick them up later ... and Putin understands this very well and does not want to be guilty of rivers of blood ... he leaves the choice to the people of Ukraine, is he ready for this? Question .... Cynical? Yes ... but such is politics ...
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 March 2014 14: 26
      +1
      Quote: vo.dum
      Yes, after all the people take weapons, it will be difficult to pick them up later ... and Putin understands this very well and does not want to be guilty of rivers of blood ... he leaves the choice to the people of Ukraine, is he ready for this? Question .... Cynical? Yes ... but such is politics ...

      And what do you want from the people then? Only bandits have weapons in huge quantities, the people do not even have them to protect their leaders! In the Crimea, arm "polite lyudi" and the militia is safe and in the east the people are not adequate not to shoot at you? What choice does he leave? If the government is not ashamed of harsh punitive measures, as well as meanness and lies, the divided people have no chance, there are plenty of examples.
      1. Borus017
        Borus017 8 March 2014 20: 03
        +2
        Duc can a machine gun that from under the tomato garden is still worth digging out? And then all "Help!" yes "Help!" Was it in vain that he watered tomatoes with oil? You cannot help yourself - no one will help you.
  11. andrei332809
    andrei332809 8 March 2014 13: 19
    +1
    to whom they sold? where now it will come out? if in Europe begin to fall, then again, Moscow is to blame? will they do it all?
    During the unrest in Ukraine, portable Igla anti-aircraft missile systems were stolen from the country's military depots. This was reported by RIA Novosti with reference to a high-ranking Ukrainian military man.
  12. major071
    major071 8 March 2014 13: 20
    +11
    I liked the article. Correctly, the author said - there is no will of the people and the leader. Why pour from empty to empty? There will be a distinct message from the east of Ukraine of Russia - measures will be taken. Although now Russia is most likely waiting for the outcome of the referendum in Crimea, it will burn out there (and there it will definitely burn out!) - we’ll deal with the east. hi
    1. Boatsman_Palych
      Boatsman_Palych 8 March 2014 22: 10
      +1
      [quote = major071] Although now, most likely, Russia is waiting for the outcome of the referendum in Crimea, it will burn out there (and there it will definitely burn out!) - we will take up the east.

      PMSM, Russia is waiting for the invasion of Ukrainian police with maydan commissars before March 16th. For this, the deadlines were postponed - Schaub spur assholes from the junta. And when the invaders are dispersed - in Slobozhanshchina and Donbass they will definitely burn out
  13. paul1992
    paul1992 8 March 2014 13: 25
    +1
    the author literally removed from the language :-)
  14. Siberian19
    Siberian19 8 March 2014 13: 27
    +5
    time works for Russia! no panic! every step must be calculated! look at what battles are going on at the highest level, and I think we will win them! Double standards give a crack, the case of snipers is gaining momentum! Everything's under control!
  15. 020205
    020205 8 March 2014 13: 27
    -1
    Today the wife called up her brother, he pulls an urgent urgency in Samara, was taken away in the fall. Yesterday the guys said, with an appeal to the older ones, they were loaded into the train to Ukraine together with the officers. Only now I talked to him about 15 minutes ago
    1. Andrei Forge 67
      Andrei Forge 67 8 March 2014 15: 11
      +2
      these tales also go to our forge. And I asked the informant who says why our riot police were on the Maidan. I’m out.
  16. witch
    witch 8 March 2014 13: 31
    +7
    Yes, you must understand at last that you yourself must help and not someone will come to save you. If you don’t need it, the Russian Federation will not do it for you. But when you get up to the present. Then only the Russian Federation can help you and so it it will look like aggression. you are being trembled by a minority although you are the majority there.
  17. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 8 March 2014 13: 35
    +4
    Time works for us and is still against the junta. The economic situation is deteriorating, militants are committing more crimes, and who ordered snipers have already begun to find out. After some time, they will throw out some more nasty things about Bandera, such as, for example, the theft of the Igla complexes. It is unlikely that Europeans will like the fact that banderlogs can now bring down planes!
  18. Havoc
    Havoc 8 March 2014 13: 37
    +4
    It seems to me that the catalyst will be May 9, Victory Day.
    1. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 8 March 2014 21: 19
      +2
      Earlier. Everything will be decided before the end of the month. 16 March - referendum. Then - the reaction of the parties. hi
  19. konvalval
    konvalval 8 March 2014 13: 40
    +5
    The article is logical. To enter troops into the territory of another state without reason is occupation. Crimea showed how to do it. Apparently, this is not so clear in other regions of Ukraine. Their people did not show a will to win.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 March 2014 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: konvalval
      Crimea showed how to do it.

      Well, yes, the "polite people" who were trained and equipped had no effect, Sevastopol and other bases too! It is easy to organize a meeting of many thousands if there is almost no fear for your life. The East did not receive even part of the help that Crimea received - it was help and not the troops, the East itself will cope if you help, although the outrageous things that are happening now will certainly do their job and raise the people, but without help they will quietly be killed at night and ultimately suppressed.
  20. Ivan.
    Ivan. 8 March 2014 13: 40
    +4
    Why are the buildings of the regional councils changing hands, and are the people sitting in them the same? Any official who recognized the new Kiev government automatically becomes an accomplice in the rebellion. There is no difference between him and the masked militants.

    This axiom was clearly demonstrated by Odessa. The protesters cordoned off the administration building, as if they had reached mutual understanding with the deputies. As a result, the regional council adopted an appeal to the illegitimate Verkhovna Rada, condemned the introduction of any foreign troops into Ukraine, and asked that it be endowed with "sufficient authority to restore order."

    This is the main reason! The deputies are the spokesmen for the "people's will" and express the will of the oligarchs and what about the people? And the people want peace and tranquility and WORK, thereby feeding Kiev. Conditions cannot be better: the troops do not suppress, half of the cops or all (depending on the region) refuse to suppress the people and what about the people? They ask the deputies, the very ones who brought the situation to this point. There is no leader, it is dangerous for them to be, and they are waiting for them to be built ... how long can you swing?
    1. YRAL59
      YRAL59 8 March 2014 13: 46
      +5
      There are worthy people in Ukraine and they can lead the East. These are the guys and commanders of the Golden Eagle. You can’t buy and scare them. I want to help, I really want to.
  21. Aleksandr68
    Aleksandr68 8 March 2014 13: 41
    +8
    Ukraine is predictable. It's not for nothing that the saying "my house is on the edge, I don't know anything" came out of there
  22. Zaharoff
    Zaharoff 8 March 2014 13: 43
    +9
    As long as there is fuel in the nuclear power plant and we still supply gas to them, let it be as it is - we will defend Crimea, a referendum will take place, Crimeans will vote for us, we will begin the process of including the peninsula in the Russian Federation, and there, just in a couple of months, the fuel will run out, and together with they will have electricity, heat, all communications, including the Internet, will fall, then really ordinary people who have been robbed of everything will have no choice - either to stay at home without light and also almost without a livelihood and kneel in front of Kiev or go on square and beat in the face scum that arranged it all, beat so that it burst in the back of the head and if you need to die standing, but do what you can ... what should
    1. YRAL59
      YRAL59 8 March 2014 13: 54
      0
      It is right
    2. Anper
      Anper 8 March 2014 17: 03
      0
      Quote: zaharoff
      what should

      But on our memory, even those who didn’t really care for the Maidan believe that everything is fine now. Sashko Bily sat down, Kiev is establishing relations with the European Union, Russians are not poisoned (and this is true). Everything works — schools, hospitals, shops, and the fact that there is someone in the center running at the cameras with AK runs, it’s already sort of put things in order.
      The word PRESENT does not say anything.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 8 March 2014 19: 23
        0
        Well, if so.
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 9 March 2014 01: 24
        0
        Quote: Anper
        The word PRESENT does not say anything

        Case law is a dangerous thing. It is like a knife in different hands: either to cut bread, or to "liver".
  23. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 8 March 2014 13: 55
    +6
    On infe from soap our types tried to capture the command post of the tactical group "Crimea" and supposedly unsuccessfully. Link: http://news.mail.ru/politics/17295663/?frommail=1
    It seems that if ours had really stormed, then the assault would have been a success. In general, an incomprehensible throwback directed clearly against us, and even from a territory that wants to be under our jurisdiction. Not clear, weird what
  24. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 8 March 2014 13: 59
    +5
    I completely agree with the author!
    To help, you need to know who and to know how and by what!
    I have already spoken out, What help is to substitute a shoulder under a common burden, and not to bear someone else's for someone!

    There are many cities, but there is no unity, there is no single program.
    Some just want to join Russia, others only require independence within the framework of autonomy, the third is enough for the “extreme right” to leave, the fourth is enough and simple financing no matter who, the main thing is that there is work, there are pennies and that they don’t touch.
    After all, what is the strength of the Maidan - they were able to unite all the dissatisfied, regardless of their views. There was a common goal - to overthrow Yanukovych and come to power! (the rest is a consequence) Result - READ!
    And here - everyone is dissatisfied, but each on his own, and time is running out.
    It’s immediately a no brainer that, unlike the Crimea, the territory of Ukraine will never become part of Russia, even hypothetically, even if there is a division of Ukraine to the west and east!
    Russia will be able to help, but to whom and by what? Organize your opposition as a last resort! Build your power in the east of the country! Do anything to untie your hands ... .. Unless of course you - Ukrainians - need it! Literate people, I think you have.
    1. Ivan 63
      Ivan 63 8 March 2014 15: 40
      +4
      I don’t know how anyone else, but it was clear to me for a long time, somewhere in the early 90s, that what happened to the Union was carried out as if by notes. The conductors are located in London and Washington. These years were not in vain. The so-called "Western values" have penetrated into our daily life - the denial of everything great and solemn, which, despite the never-ending subversive activities of the Anglo-Saxons and other evil spirits, our country has managed to achieve. The blow struck by the traitors to the Motherland was terrible. I repeat, all these years people have been drummed with completely false values, but as for Ukraine, even more so, even before the Great Betrayal, the soil had been sown with anti-Russian seeds for more than a century. Therefore, you should not start long discussions - it is necessary to use all available opportunities and resources in order to return to the maximum what was lost. And most importantly, a complete audit of all power structures in Russia itself, primarily the media. One should not be particularly afraid of the oligarchs' reaction - they know very well what awaits them in the West. And of course, the upbringing of a new generation that has not yet been spoiled, a deep study of history using specific examples in a patriotic way.
    2. Ivan 63
      Ivan 63 8 March 2014 15: 40
      0
      I don’t know how anyone else, but it was clear to me for a long time, somewhere in the early 90s, that what happened to the Union was carried out as if by notes. The conductors are located in London and Washington. These years were not in vain. The so-called "Western values" have penetrated into our daily life - the denial of everything great and solemn, which, despite the never-ending subversive activities of the Anglo-Saxons and other evil spirits, our country has managed to achieve. The blow struck by the traitors to the Motherland was terrible. I repeat, all these years people have been drummed with completely false values, but as for Ukraine, even more so, even before the Great Betrayal, the soil had been sown with anti-Russian seeds for more than a century. Therefore, you should not start long discussions - it is necessary to use all available opportunities and resources in order to return to the maximum what was lost. And most importantly, a complete audit of all power structures in Russia itself, primarily the media. One should not be particularly afraid of the oligarchs' reaction - they know very well what awaits them in the West. And of course, the upbringing of a new generation that has not yet been spoiled, a deep study of history using specific examples in a patriotic way.
  25. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 8 March 2014 14: 01
    +2
    ) with Crimea it’s easier there 75% of Russian. and with the rest it’s not so straightforward .50 to 50. why should a Ukrainian rally for Russia, it’s better to wait when a Russian neighbor runs away in his underpants. You look and profit from what will be.
  26. YRAL59
    YRAL59 8 March 2014 14: 02
    +3
    We hear, but do they hear us from the East-Kharkov, Donetsk, Odessa?
    1. Ivan Tucha
      Ivan Tucha 8 March 2014 14: 22
      +5
      not really. on Thursday called a classmate in Odessa. says everything seems to be normal there, within normal limits. they run around with flags, shouting something, but who doesn’t understand what and why. for the fact that we help the Crimea-you are well done, and blah blah no specifics. more worried about pressing problems.
      I generally did not understand what they want and whether they want at all ...
  27. parus2nik
    parus2nik 8 March 2014 14: 18
    +6
    I paraphrase one of Dr. Aibolit’s songs (hf Aibolit-66)
    It’s even good that so far they’re feeling bad ..
    And here is what a friend from Ukraine writes to me:
    Hi, I'm sorry, I threw phrases from the network, I know that you don’t follow links. And now, and in general, no one sees anything from Ukraine, they turned off your conversions to our sites. We have a war here. The Army of the Way is now crushing Ukraine. They do not show you, but show everything in an eversion. For example, no one has escaped from Ukraine, there is not a single refugee, but there is Goebbels propaganda that there are hundreds of thousands of refugees. They remove their own theater from their artists, dress up as supposedly Uraintsy, they tour the cities, take pictures of someone who is dressed as actors, and then they say that Russians are shot right in the streets. Well, very bad rhetoric. And you know, if the third world war is muddied up, it’s not because Ukraine went to Russia, but rather, on the contrary, it intervened in the country's internal affairs in such a brazen way that the nuclear powers could not keep silent ... That we threw off the thieves’s power really do not like your thieves power. In general, everything ... we will not prove to each other anything! mixed people and horses. And it makes no sense to debate, just no one will prove anything to anyone. And I’ll just lose friendship if we discuss fragments of this or that. This is a minimum of three nights over the bottle you need to chat, to clear at least a fraction of this kawatashi ... I’m coming. set fire to the farm.
    Oh how, brainwashed ... Sorry, for cynicism, when they starve, sit without electricity .. as a result of the actions of the beloved Nazi government ..then they will start to grow wiser ..
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 9 March 2014 01: 26
      +2
      Quote: parus2nik
      when they will starve, sit without electricity .. as a result of the actions of the beloved Nazi government ..then they will begin to grow wiser ..

      Getting smart is never too late.
  28. techmesh
    techmesh 8 March 2014 14: 37
    +5
    Well, we can’t come to tanks in Ukraine, separate the bad from the good and choose a leadership. They must decide their own fate. What Ukrainians themselves allowed now to happen, which allowed the West to feed rabble all these years, which is now spreading rot on the people. We are obliged to help, because most of the fraternal people, and the enemy at our borders, are not needed.
  29. barbiturate
    barbiturate 8 March 2014 14: 38
    +4
    here the president’s most important thing is, if the president is a rag, then the 48 millionth people will submit to a couple of tens of thousands paid and ten thousand more ideological people together. They will express the aspirations of the Ukrainian people. If the president is a little different from no one, then he will simply disperse this whole shobla and call the elections either closer (that is vryatli) or on time, but he will not let his country fall into chaos. The people of Ukraine turned out to be at the head - SOMETHING. The consequences will be felt for many more years. In Russia, with all the shortcomings of government (whoever sends you better, probably from Mars), the president is very similar to a statesman at least.
    1. Boatsman_Palych
      Boatsman_Palych 8 March 2014 22: 26
      +1
      It's not about Yanukovych's decisiveness. He is hated and despised both in the west and in the east of Ukraine for the fact that he used his power ONLY for the personal enrichment of his family. Can you imagine the popular support for Yeltsin in 1999 in Russia under similar circumstances? That is why practically all Ukrainians were outraged by Moscow's acceptance of Janek under its protection. And they are still euphoric from the "popular" elections of their new rulers on the Maidan. So far, the Nazi putsch seems to them to be a people's revolution. Time will quickly set their brains - the junta is doing everything for this.
  30. Savva30
    Savva30 8 March 2014 14: 44
    +4
    In a normal state, outlawed
    There are two classes:
    Criminal
    And the ruling one.
    During the revolution
    They change places, -
    In what
    There is essentially no difference.

    Maximilian Alexandrovich Voloshin
  31. bubnovitnik
    bubnovitnik 8 March 2014 14: 45
    +1
    Your statements are empty chatter!
    You and I (including me) elected the president.
    And he (the president) is authorized on behalf of the people to act on the basis of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    1. Boatsman_Palych
      Boatsman_Palych 8 March 2014 22: 34
      0
      And your statements are brainless. I, like 85% of those eligible to vote, did not vote for Putin: 30% of the electorate came to the polls, therefore - 70% did not vote for Putin, 53% of those who came, allegedly, voted AGAINST Putin. Somehow you do not have the right to speak ALL of us.
      1. GP
        GP 8 March 2014 22: 54
        0
        Boatsman_Palych
        As if you are authorized.
        It must be remembered that silence is a sign of agreement, in this context with the majority, i.e. with those 53% who voted FOR. A person who ignored, indifferent to the elections, a priori agrees with his result. Such pies wink
      2. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 9 March 2014 02: 04
        +1
        Are you so sure of YOUR numbers? Did you really communicate personally with 85 percent of the Russian population?
  32. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 8 March 2014 14: 46
    +6
    not a single Russian will call the Ukrainian an enemy. We are BROTHERS, we are SLAVES! Hold on and fight BROTHERS! Russia with YOU !!! Russia and Ukraine should be together !!!!
  33. Platov
    Platov 8 March 2014 14: 49
    +1
    Let the new so-called government prove that it did not provide Igla MANPADS to terrorists. And so any attack on a civilian plane will be a terrorist attack, and on a military one can be a declaration of war. It's time for the Ukrainians to pull out their hair in one place. Played out.
  34. schizophrenic
    schizophrenic 8 March 2014 15: 12
    +4
    A little bit of a joke.
    Obama went to hunt a bear, crept up to the den and thrust his trunk into it and fired, and then Obama slammed on the shoulder, and there was a bear.
    Bear and says "And what to do with you" Obama "I can bend down" Bear "Let's bend over"
    Obama returns home, combing the ass, takes the plastit and re-establishes itself to the den, lays back in it, undermines and again the cotton on the shoulder turns around.
    Mishka asks "Do you want" Obama "What is the last time"
    Returns very angry and thinks "Why go to the forest, Mishka will catch again, I'd better send the UAV"
    Obama went to the command post, entered the data, only press the fire button, clap on the shoulder.
    Obama turns around, sees Mishka and immediately says "Just like last time"
  35. Monk
    Monk 8 March 2014 15: 15
    +3
    Quote: biglow
    Putin is waiting right, the economic situation in the former Ukraine will raise the people, now many of its residents still do not understand what happened, so factories are still working and many think that it will be possible to sit out ... But when the supply of gas at gas stations runs out, and now gas all export and comes from Belarus, then people will start to think what to do ...


    I agree to all 100, because until the inhabitants of Ukraine themselves understand what the Nazis want to do with them, Russia will be to blame for everything .. So the Russian leadership is absolutely correct policy ..
  36. Stinger
    Stinger 8 March 2014 15: 22
    +4
    So far, in Ukraine, only talk and exclamations6 have beaten ours. Virtually neither in the east nor in the south is there anyone to contact, and there is no one to help, excluding Crimea. Those leaders who arise from time to time by us are not promoted, do not appear in the media, and therefore quickly disappear (or are neutralized by more impudent oppositionists). We don’t set conditions like the states (like you want to receive the tranche and save the price of gas, remove Bandera’s government and close the Maidan). Passive policy on both sides, based on emotions. There are no fights, but everyone is afraid. Hence the results.
  37. 111 soldier
    111 soldier 8 March 2014 15: 24
    +4
    I think if there is at least one provocation, Russia will not leave its there !! most likely waiting for a more acute occasion!
  38. Nikxnumx
    Nikxnumx 8 March 2014 15: 24
    +9
    Yes, the European Sorrow.
  39. patriot123
    patriot123 8 March 2014 15: 27
    +3
    Yes, and the EU can start to go for firewood !!! ))) help will definitely come! our authorities seem to have understood that it is no longer possible to lose ground !!
  40. Ribatsek
    Ribatsek 8 March 2014 15: 33
    +8
    In addition to Crimea, the southeast of Ukraine simply put in pants! I will not hide, and we were afraid, but we managed to organize and rebuffed banderlogs in the first 3 days! And now it’s much easier.
  41. Dikson
    Dikson 8 March 2014 15: 40
    +6
    The title itself is semi-provocative, in my opinion, "Where is the help?" .. that is, the whole of Ukraine is sitting, waiting for the Russian Vanka to come and start tidying up in a pretty filthy hohlyatsky hut? And the Ukrainians themselves will watch with interest, who will? - not very correct questions are posed, in my opinion. Here in Crimea, they correctly understood the words of Russia. And so, dear and beloved Ukrainians, to sit and wait until everything is decided and done for you - this will not be so ... While the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians behave according to the good old principle "If only we were not touched" and "My house with edge "...
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 8 March 2014 19: 27
      +1
      And the worst thing is that in any case there will be someone to blame for everything.
  42. katastrofa
    katastrofa 8 March 2014 15: 59
    0
    NATO came to Crimea lol
    http://youtu.be/USjjHheZwOc
  43. 1aspid1
    1aspid1 8 March 2014 16: 29
    +11
    I will try to explain simple and seemingly obvious things.
    Differences of Crimea from South to East:
    1. Crimea is autonomy anyway and has its own set of authorities that have the right to hold all kinds of referenda there (the Southeast must first be federalized)
    2. Crimea immediately realized that there would be no kina and fenced itself off from the Nazis (block road posts) (Southeast just walks with rallies and posters)

    Well, I’ll add my vision of the situation.
    Unfortunately, no matter how cynical it sounds, there is no way to do without victims.
    If the South-East wants Russia, then you must act first and foremost. Hammer you for this work in the near future it will not be of much use. Take down your cowards, liberals, fascists, or for whatever other reason local authorities do not show decisiveness, choose a leader, expel Bendera men dressed as police, etc. etc. and hold a referendum. If the fascists try to disperse you by force with the use of weapons, then at least some reason to send troops.
    And you want to do everything with Russian hands.
    YOU even have a rally of 2 thousand people shouting "Russia help!"
    And on the next 3 thousand fascists from Lviv ask NATO to help.
    What should be done in RUSSIA in this situation ???? !!!!!

    That's why I say that you need to score and forget about work now. Gather 100-200 thousand people (then go and 3 thousand fascists be afraid to draw) and go choose your regional leader.

    And to the village, enough already to rebuke Russia. She will help, after you begin to move to a meeting, and not stagnate in indecision.
  44. Platov
    Platov 8 March 2014 16: 40
    +1
    Outskirts give a tiny reason to cover you with a polite landing party do not be shy do not be greedy well, a little droplets of occasion. Pity your lads and do it right, your sweeter stranger. Release with Russia those territories that it indicates and continue to boil your own juice. That is, you are now very similar to a dog in the manger, take pity on your children and grandchildren. In the current scenario, you will soon die of hunger and cold 36. You will seem God's grace. How many of your citizens and the world will be saved from death, and this death will be in your hands. Nobody will save you from retribution, everyone wants to be white and fluffy. In your own juice, you can cook for a long time and maybe cook something and Sasha Bely, along with Yarosh, will calmly run around the forests like partisans in their homeland and nobody will touch them. Do not forget to slaughter the fights on the machines, take care of their accident, let them laugh and do not forget for what merits the Russian special services did not liquidate them.
  45. Alexander Tikhiy
    Alexander Tikhiy 8 March 2014 16: 44
    +2
    We have the moral right to send troops to Ukraine only if we request at least some legitimate authority (an example of the Crimea), but at the same time morally obligated send troops to protect civilians from unbridled bandits or local authorities pursuing the policy of genocide of any group or groups of the population.
  46. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 March 2014 16: 48
    +3
    Yes, the correct article. To be honest, I had the impression of last year's Ukraine that they allowed everyone to steal openly there. You just can-steal. Just do not go into someone else's territory. And now, one way or another, we will cover them with this shop. Of course there will be a lot of disgruntled. Again, we are already giving earnings opportunities to half of Central Asia. We will save these Tajik-Uzbek states from a humanitarian catastrophe in fact. And now, Ukrainians will also be added. I understand that these are Slav brothers and all that. But they are an independent, independent state. They constantly tell us about this, shout, point out ... I think that there should be pure pragmatism on our part. If you want help and support from us, give us your land for this. Just give, and not demand, that we cleanse your land, which the Nazis have memorized. So, they made an uprising, overthrew the Kiev, chose their own. And amicably (amicably !!!) passed under the arm of Russia. We crossed as a territory with people living on it, working on it, people who bring benefits and income. And the orphan-wretched-penniless in our pocket did not come running to us.
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  48. tokin1959
    tokin1959 8 March 2014 16: 57
    +5
    What the hell is international law? What is the inviolability of borders? As the Soviet Union collapsed, not without the help of the West, everyone only bounced for joy, despite the 1975 Helsinki Accords.
    the Final Act of the Helsinki Conference was signed, in which European countries were guaranteed invariability of borders, territorial integrity, peaceful resolution of conflicts, non-interference in internal affairs, non-use of violence, equality and equal rights of sovereignty. The partition of Yugoslavia, then Serbia. The Kosovo Territory was chopped off from Serbia, and no one is planning to transfer Serbia inhabited by Serbs to Serbia. The seized territories do not correspond to the ethnic boundaries of the settlement. And they say at the same time - this is a special case. In the world there is only one international law - the law of the Strong. And the goal of the West, now and many centuries ago, is the destruction of the Russian state, they will not stop until the Russians are driven into several areas near Moscow. Russia, in its propaganda, always exposes the Evil Empire. You just need to take yours. The West does not shun methods. Opinions are expressed - here you are Ukrainians, let us yourself, overthrow the bosses, and only then we will help. and while you are being cut there, we will watch. Maidan would not have won without the help of the West. They did not look away, the messengers of their leaders were on the Maidan and supported them financially and morally. And they stood until the end, until they won. And from our ambassadors or officials there was someone at meetings in Kharkov, Odessa, Donetsk. They told the Russians with their presence, material and moral help - WE ARE HERE, WE ARE WITH YOU, WE WILL NOT THROW YOU, WE WILL BE TILL THE END, UNTIL THE WINNING ????? no, no one helped.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 8 March 2014 19: 34
      +3
      Quote: tokin1959
      And from our ambassadors or officials there was someone at meetings in Kharkov, Odessa, Donetsk. They, by their presence, material and moral help, told the Russians - WE ARE HERE, WE ARE WITH YOU, WE WILL NOT DEFLECT YOU, WE WILL BE UNTIL THE END, UNTIL THE WINNING ????? no, no one helped.


      Well, this if you have not seen - does not mean that they were not.
      4 governor with the vice speaker of the State Duma in Kharkov - is that what?
      I don’t take Crimea, yes, many people have been there.

      Quote: tokin1959
      Opinions are expressed - here you are Ukrainians, let us yourself, overthrow the bosses, and only then we will help. and while you are being cut there, we will watch.


      And with what, excuse me, should we send our sons to fight, if in Ukraine no one really tears your ass off the chair? Yeah, move it.
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 8 March 2014 20: 26
        0
        Well, this if you have not seen - does not mean that they were not.
        4 governor with the vice speaker of the State Duma in Kharkov - is that what?
        I don’t take Crimea, yes, many people have been there.

        ------ Well, 4 governors were hanging out and left.
        Americans on the Maidan were always there.
        I don’t talk about Crimea - everything has already been decided there, and they threw eastern Ukraine.
      2. tokin1959
        tokin1959 8 March 2014 21: 20
        +2
        They will not be full of Ukraine.
        They will come to us later.
        I don’t want to send my son anywhere either.
        and I’ll go.
  49. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 8 March 2014 17: 15
    +1
    Quote: sniper
    Troops can only be introduced into the territory of self-determined, with its own self-government and formally asked for help and protection ... I see no other options ... Alas ...

    At one time, Chechnya self-determined and became the Republic of Ichkeria. Why didn’t anyone slip into this territory free from Russia. Once the president of Tatarstan hinted at secession from Russia and was not self-determined, because he was told that they would be crushed economically, he did not have the opportunity to communicate with the West directly. Therefore, your theory is incorrect.

    Each country decides the issue of bringing its troops into foreign territory for itself, hiding behind international law or without it at all. It is obvious that the introduction of troops into the Crimea or the southeast of Ukraine can lead to civil war, and not only on the territory of Ukraine, but also in Russia. Russia does not need this. The Russians will support Putin, but the Ukrainians (non-Bandera) will be divided, and 99% of the Tatars will be against Putin. Even if NATO members do not bring in their troops, the militants will be gathered from all over the world. We won in Chechnya with the number of our troops, but in Ukraine we will be opposed by several million people. Our "swamp" will certainly take advantage of the weakening inside the country and a similar armed revolt in Moscow and the seizure of power is possible. Does Putin need it?
    Putin, it is obvious, chooses the lesser evil. The territories of Ukraine themselves are fighting against fascism. And temporarily defeating this evil, they decide to join Russia. Russia consolidates this legally and only then does the counter-terrorist operation with the fascist opposition. Where the peoples of Ukraine did not want to arm themselves and oppose fascism, there Russia will not be able to help Ukraine with anything.
    In short: There is a prospect, there are resources, there is support, there is a military economy, and if it is not too late, then the deployment of troops is possible.
    Unfortunately, Putin, like Yanukovych, missed the initial stage of the fascist rebellion. When it was still possible to resist with the help of organizing a guerrilla war to destroy the Nazis and eliminate the leaders.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 8 March 2014 17: 34
      +2
      guerrilla warfare is not needed. need the work of special services.
      again))) - looking back at NATO, the Tatars, the militants and other mischief, we are looking back - and they are not, they are acting. Tatars are just making noise - there will be Russia, they will live in Russia. they don’t need a war, they won’t fight, the holiday season is coming, they need to earn money. NATO - they scare these NATO, they also do not need war.
      The West supports fascism in Ukraine morally and financially, and we certainly do not support anti-fascism. Let's say the guys themselves. Without our support, they themselves will not succeed. But the Bandera act - and do not hesitate to speak - we will expel the Russians, who will not run away and fall under us - we will cut them, and they will succeed. They will cut one by one, and despite the fact that the police and the army are already under their gangster control and leadership, and they will select their cadres there, they will succeed. and we will continue to discuss - NATO, Tatars, militants, the complication of the international situation.
      they complicate and do not reason.
      Putin, act. we will support.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 8 March 2014 19: 27
        -2
        A real guerrilla war is always supported by special services. This is a historical fact since 1812 of Bandera. They are also supported by special services. I can say about Putin that the appearances of support are a complete zero. I will say about the Tatars that in the Middle East, Muslim wars with Jews have been going on for decades and Muslims did not give a damn about the immediate benefits. They are always ready to fight, just give weapons.
        1. tokin1959
          tokin1959 8 March 2014 19: 42
          +2
          in the Middle East, Palestinians are currently fighting the Jews.
          whoever has something to lose, they themselves do not fight, and oil is only added to the fire.
          Tatars in Crimea are neither beggars nor fools. everyone has families, children. they have something to lose. and they understand very well - that they unleash a war - oh how they will respond.
          and then the majority of Russians - but it turns out we were afraid of the minority. and in your opinion, the minority is so aggressive that it is not at all afraid of the majority.
          at the joke about the Chukchi.
          the Chinese come to the Chukchi and ask - how many are you?
          Chukchi - 15000.
          the Chinese - oh, that's good, let's fight with you!
          Chukchi - come on, but how many are you?
          Chinese - one and a half billion !!!
          Chukchi - oh, damn it !!! where are we going to bury you ????
    2. tokin1959
      tokin1959 8 March 2014 17: 54
      0
      and about the "swamp". The "swamp" in our country, in principle, cannot grow into a Maidan.
      to put it marshy, to put it mildly, dissatisfied with the internal economic policies of our government, dissatisfied with the constant rise in prices and dishonest elections. but we will not have a revolution. people are unhappy, but overthrowing power is an even greater evil. it's a crash. this is the collapse of the country, banditry and crime. the Russian people are always patient, hoping for a good king from time immemorial. It is possible to destroy Russia only with external help, with the help of the visiting militants of Trotsky, as in the year 17.
      only through external financing. but it cost 5 billion how the Maidan cost them, Russia cannot be blamed. here you need 500 billion. the West does not have that kind of money, and it’s not a fact that even with such an amount something will burn out. but if we surrender eastern Ukraine to them, then it will be easier for them to make a revolution with us. they will not stop. and then the Russian world will split off piece by piece.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 8 March 2014 19: 37
        +1
        Oh smart ... you already take a terrible thing.
        It’s a pity that you are not in the State Duma, that Putin would have been taught how to.
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 8 March 2014 19: 41
        +3
        You are wrong! Putin harshly dispersed the unarmed swamp, because knew that slack cannot be done. Even minor victories inspire extremists.
        Now about the collapse of Russia. As history showed in 1917, the Bolsheviks took power only in St. Petersburg. How did it end? The collapse of the whole empire. Poland, Finland, Western Ukraine separated. The Far Eastern Republic was formed in the East.
        Nowadays. Yeltsin completely destroyed the USSR (without Trotsky’s help) with one single goal - to become president of the country. And the anti-communist coup took place only in Moscow. The whole country did not hit finger to finger to participate in the coup.
        Trotsky did not have any visiting militants; they were all Russian.
        An armed rebellion in Moscow is enough to make a coup. The next morning, the whole country will wake up, either under communism or under fascism.
      3. Borus017
        Borus017 8 March 2014 20: 23
        +2
        Not funny. The Ukrainians' Maidan was a COVERAGE of the fighting detachments. Are "Marsh" different? And what is the difference then? Unfortunately, there are enough combat units. Criminalized diasporas, a radical youth ... If a kind grandmother splashes a tea with chemical additives to them (as on the Maidan), they will give out a concert no worse than Kiev. So unfortunately I do not share your complacency.
        1. tokin1959
          tokin1959 8 March 2014 21: 15
          +1
          maybe I expressed a somewhat inexplicably thought - I wanted to say - that our people, unlike the people of Kiev, are not Maidan.
          one thing is protest, another thing is the overthrow of power.
          all the more - when it was revealed - that Udaltsov was a troll paid by Georgians
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 9 March 2014 01: 35
          0
          Quote: Borus017
          Are "Marsh" different? And what is the difference then? And here comes the fighting units unfortunately enough.

          What do you regret?
  50. Bakht
    Bakht 8 March 2014 17: 23
    +2
    Information on nuclear power plants.

    After Fukushima, Europe abandons nuclear power. All nuclear blocks in Germany should be shut down by 2020. So, aspiring to the European Union, Ukraine does not need nuclear power plants. Moreover, it is not Germany and all power units can begin to shut down right now. Where to get electricity? Question to the European Union. Let them buy there. But who will sell them?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 8 March 2014 17: 49
      +1
      from a muffled nuclear power plant there is even more hemorrhage than from a working one. - contain spent fuel, deactivate systems, and other very expensive measures ... Operating at least brings money, and muffled - losses. Well this is not a reactor with a nuclear submarine - you won’t solder a jar ...
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 8 March 2014 18: 26
        +3
        Quote: Dikson
        from a muffled nuclear power plant there is even more hemorrhage than from a working one. - contain spent fuel, deactivate systems, and other very expensive measures ... Operating at least brings money, and muffled - losses. Well this is not a reactor with a nuclear submarine - you won’t solder a jar ...

        I completely agree. And even more. And the reactor with the nuclear submarines is properly decontaminated, it’s not a can of beer to drink. Here Germany has set a deadline. Almost 10 years. And why green reactors in Ukraine in Europe are green? Anyway, it was rightly noted - how can nuclear materials be sold to terrorists? So it's time to bring them to idle run. And buy electricity in Europe.