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In Crimea, 23 from 34 military units sided with the authorities of autonomy

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23 from 34 military units of Ukraine, located in the Crimea, went over to the side of the authorities of autonomy, according to the city council of Sevastopol. It is more than five and a half thousand troops, including the regiment of the internal troops, the Belbek air base and air defense units. In the Verkhovna Rada, according to some information, they are already ready to enter into negotiations on the empowerment of autonomy. But the leadership of the Crimea refuses, since it considers the Kiev authorities illegitimate and believes that the residents of the peninsula themselves should decide the status of autonomy in the upcoming March 30 referendum.


In the Crimean armed forces - replenishment. 204 airbase of the Ukrainian Air Force moved to the side of autonomy, say the local government. We are talking about about eight hundred soldiers. Another thing is that the technique, to put it mildly, is not in the best condition. This is already a question of the state of the Ukrainian army. So, at the Belbek airfield there are more than forty MiG-29 and four training aircraft L-39. But in good condition - only five cars.

On the tail of one of the fighters is visible a red star, left over from Soviet times, it was not even able to paint over it. The army of Ukraine is really in many ways and kept on the Soviet backlog. Now the airfield is under the control of self-defense detachments so that there is no looting.

Assess the situation in the Crimea flew delegation of the Public Chamber of Russia. Meetings were held with the city administration, as well as a conversation with students and teachers of the Sevastopol branch of Moscow State University. “The situation in Crimea is calm,” says Sergey Markov, director of the Institute for Political Studies. “All Ukraine is burning, but not Crimea.”

The university works as usual, classes were interrupted only in some schools of the city. However, when Ukraine began to seethe, the leadership of Moscow State University seriously thought about the possible evacuation of students and staff. “Moscow was worried about Sevastopol students,” says Mikhail Sokolov, advisor to the rector of Moscow State University, director of the Sevastopol branch of the university. “Moscow State University was ready to transfer everyone to Moscow at the slightest danger. Nobody was going to throw students. But now we don’t allow panic be".

In the near future, the Public Chamber is going to discuss the situation in Crimea in detail. This will happen in Moscow. A hotline has been opened, it is planned to create a special fund to help residents of the region.
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  1. Edge_kmv
    Edge_kmv 5 March 2014 14: 31
    +7
    Well, already 2/3, and by 30mu already 99.99% will take the side of the autonomy authorities
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 5 March 2014 15: 41
      +1
      Quote: Edge_KMV
      Well, already 2/3, and by 30mu already 99.99% will take the side of the autonomy authorities

      And by winter, the whole Ukrainian army.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 5 March 2014 16: 59
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        And by winter, the entire Ukrainian army
        Well, where it will stand by then is unclear. And even to herself. But what freezes is for sure.
        1. elmi
          elmi 5 March 2014 17: 48
          +4
          In Crimea, 23 from 34 military units sided with the authorities of autonomy

          Where will they go. They will go under the Crimean rule themselves, as soon as they hear that Russia will pay large salaries by swearing the floor of the Crimean government.
  2. bender8282
    bender8282 5 March 2014 14: 34
    +3
    keep it up!
  3. vo.dum
    vo.dum 5 March 2014 14: 37
    +7
    Now Russia needs to organize humanitarian aid to Crimea ... such as was provided by Tbilisi and Ukraine during the coercion of the peace of Georgia ....- to bring all the equipment into combat ... and send instructors for training ... and let them later if they can will agree with Crimea ... good
  4. lukke
    lukke 5 March 2014 14: 38
    +7
    I hope the information is reliable - not like with Sagaidachny ?!
    1. cerko
      cerko 5 March 2014 15: 32
      +2
      if you have reliable info about "Ssagaidachny", share with us
  5. alex56
    alex56 5 March 2014 14: 39
    +5
    The news, of course, is promising, but "Hetman Sagaidachny" returned to Odessa under the Ukrainian flag (thereby confirming his loyalty to the new government (
    So you need less faith in such messages.
    1. apostol88
      apostol88 5 March 2014 16: 45
      -4
      Not a single part has yet crossed to the Crimea tongue . Except Berezovsky and the golden eagle. negative
  6. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 5 March 2014 14: 40
    +15
    The feeling that they are losing the initiative - the army is holding on to a comfortable position of "neutrality", like the SBU during the Maidan battles, so they can also speak for Kiev. And the stop-order after fear that the polite people would go further, only fueled the activity to pacify the southeast. IMHO - if something like Crimea is not organized in a week, there will be seams. The cops were bought, the SS were armed and legalized, the power was directly given to the oligarchs, and they prefer to solve problems with the people at the root, and will not nurse for the sake of votes.
    It is alarming - Pu spoke out for the indivisible, for the Crimea we are talking about, but about the rest - no ... As I hear about "Svidomo Kharkiv", and how they drain everything over and over again, I want to spit.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 5 March 2014 15: 08
      +11
      Well, well done guy. I respect you. The lad's nerves are iron. These zhurnalyugi clean water provocateurs. I probably would not have restrained, would have exhaled to them everything I think about them.
    2. Staff Sergeant
      Staff Sergeant 5 March 2014 22: 23
      +3
      Thanks for the great video! The chief of staff is just a young man! More to such.
      But Kharkov is in an unenviable position. There is no power around which you can unite, unfortunately. Fluffy feathers advertised on TV - Dobkin, Kernes, Oplot, simply merged. Who ran in, who had already surrendered Kharkov, caved in under the fascist invaders. Itself would volunteer in the same company in Kharkov, but nowhere ..
  7. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 5 March 2014 14: 40
    +2
    The Ukrainian military see what is going on in the "rest" of Ukraine, and what is going on in the Crimea. Now everyone (judging by the videos and news) in Ukraine wants one thing: safety and peace, work and some kind of confidence in the future.
    Only Crimea and the Russian army can provide this for them. Just because of her, the Nazis didn’t go there, the appointed commanders immediately transferred to the Crimean Armed Forces.
  8. Vtel
    Vtel 5 March 2014 14: 40
    0
    Sho for 11 parts - ethno "bridgehead" or maybe there is no one outside the fence.
  9. TRex
    TRex 5 March 2014 14: 45
    +11
    About Belbek - did they lie? Was it not there that it came to shooting in the air from the side of the "volunteers", when a group of servicemen of the Ukrainian Air Force marched somewhere with a combat red banner and a "zhovto-blakit" state flag? I saw the link on the Sevastopol "Outpost" ... Interesting statements about "some people with weapons" are out of order: "Don't you see - we are going with a battle banner!" Some patriot shouted: "America is with us !!!"
    From the air defense combat regiment, there are four MiG-29s and one training apparatus ... After the referendum, it is easy to disperse this "combat unit". Although, of course, obstinacy in the matter of "oath" is commendable. Only to whom?
    In pursuit - the MP battalion in Feodosia is still holding on. This is for OBJECTIVITY INFORMATION.
    1. Turkestan
      Turkestan 5 March 2014 17: 44
      +6
      Can't you see - we are marching with a battle banner! "

      Can't you see - we are going with the red banner! "I think so.

      The whole story in BELBEC is very sad.

      The commander deliberately led the personnel of the brigade to the guarded object. Risking the lives of the brigade personnel.

      FOR WHAT?

      Why didn’t they unfurled the red banner to restore order in KIEV?

      AMERICA unfurled the red regimental banner of Shouting with us. WHAT CINISM.

      Without a doubt, the Ukrainian army was in a very difficult situation. But she was in this position only because
      that the commanding staff of the Ukrainian Army seeing the collapse of the country, the rampage of the Nazis, banditry and lawlessness are sitting on the stove and VODKA GRAVE with Dumplings
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 5 March 2014 19: 30
        +1
        Turkestan "Unfold the red regimental banner Shouting with us AMERICA. WHAT CYNISM."
        I agree with you.
        In one sentence, all about ... whether. And this is called bestiality.
        Whether it’s a matter of staff at the headquarters of the Navy pleased with the singing of the Ukrainian anthem.
        Well, at least long live America did not shout.
      2. Staff Sergeant
        Staff Sergeant 5 March 2014 22: 31
        +2
        Yes, otozh! The "command" structure of the army would be stupid ... to lose a warm place, no matter what happened (Looking at the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for these 22 years, I am simply amazed - in the SA these cocks would have reached the maximum to lieutenant colonel).
        And the “sworn-in” unit commander just, as it seems to me, is a careerist - he will stand the illegal regime - he will be the HEROE OF THE ENERGY and ENERAL, but no, there is nothing to take either - he fulfilled his duty in accordance with the oath and the charter. And, of course, from his side it was the purest PROVOCATION. Given the current situation, put the personnel at risk, as well as risking many times the escalation, and God forbid, and in general, with victims ...
  10. Auralski
    Auralski 5 March 2014 14: 46
    +8
    Guys from 1/3, warriors, do not slow down. Help the people among whom you live!
    The criminals in Kiev need you just like cannon fodder. You did not swear to them.
  11. Mercenary
    Mercenary 5 March 2014 14: 52
    +7
    The main thing is not to rush! After the results of March 30, provide the most powerful support and assistance. in the meantime, prepare the power cable along the bottom of the Black Sea, having ensured independence from Kiev, prepare food containers, fuel tanks in the Kerch Strait area. And in the summer in the season of resorts to translate it all into normal market direction. Crimea will survive and we will have a trading partner.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 5 March 2014 15: 46
      +6
      Crimea will survive and we will have a trading partner.


      Which trading partner? Crimea to be a part of Russia!
      Restore historical justice.
      Crimea, illegally transferred to Ukraine, should be accepted into Russia on the basis of a referendum of Crimean citizens.
      1. mark7
        mark7 5 March 2014 21: 01
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Crimea, illegally transferred to Ukraine, should be accepted into Russia on the basis of a referendum of Crimean citizens.

        I agree one hundred percent, but most of the Crimean population should want this, and we need to help them in this
  12. Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 March 2014 15: 00
    0
    And what is the composition of the remaining troops?
  13. magadanets
    magadanets 5 March 2014 15: 10
    +5
    But about six years ago, and we had air regiments in this state. It’s scary to remember ...
  14. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 5 March 2014 15: 12
    +9
    "Those who have not crossed over" should not be pressed under any circumstances, each soldier must be worked separately and carefully. Water sharpens a stone, the local military will move on their own, the rest will want to either join or go home after a while. BUT it is necessary to block communication and control everything their movements.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 5 March 2014 15: 32
      +3
      49 aircraft of the 204th airbase: 45 MiG-29s and 4 Albatrosses - Czech combat training L-39s in an amusing "digital" coloring. On one of the aircraft with tail number “04”, a Soviet star peers through the trident on the tail, an uncomfortable symbolism appeared despite the fact that they tried to paint it more than once.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 5 March 2014 15: 38
        +4
        Quote: Alex 241
        On one of the aircraft with tail number “04”, a Soviet star peers through the trident on the tail, an uncomfortable symbolism appeared despite the fact that they tried to paint it more than once.

        In native penates, the bird asks ....
      2. cerko
        cerko 5 March 2014 16: 25
        +2
        damn, even the quality of the paint of the USSR could not be exceeded, what can we say about the rest
        1. demel2
          demel2 5 March 2014 17: 54
          +5
          Quote: cerko
          Damn, even the quality of the paint of the USSR could not be surpassed

          Not this is not paint, this is how the tear icon begins from such a shame.
  15. guran
    guran 5 March 2014 15: 25
    +5
    How easily and habitually Ukrainians move from one side to the other. Today with Old Man Makhno, tomorrow with Ataman Grigoriev.
    Some officers are noticeably aged and already have two oaths in their combat account.
    The prostituted people are all the same. Those who are stronger at the moment are sung praise and swear allegiance. The belly-bellied officers of Belbek Air Force Base were flying with the Ukrainian flag and shouting like women: "America help us!"
    What do you call it? Foulness and obsequiousness. How do they raise their sons, educate, on what principles, ideals? Until sebe, my son, always tilka to sebe pull and think a little thought, like your dad.
    And why did they remain silent for 23 years in a rag, while the planes were falling apart? Why didn’t they go with the flag to the former authorities of Ukraine? Because they wanted to spit on Ukraine and Russia.
    Such people have no homeland.
    Because corrupt by nature, genetic opportunists. In 1990, they took the oath of office to Ukraine only because they wanted to stay in a warm place, and even if all the planes fall apart, the main thing is that the boar in the shed will shout.
    Pilots, damn it
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 5 March 2014 15: 37
      0
      Quote: guran
      Because corrupt by nature, genetic opportunists.

      How cruel you are. But I agree, I spoke out here with disapproval of the betrayal of the oath, I mean Berezovsky, they did so. True, without reasoning, apparently, conscience all the same suggests that it smells bad, although it looks beautiful ...
      1. Vital 33
        Vital 33 5 March 2014 17: 35
        -10%
        NONE of the military part of Ukraine has gone over to the side of the "people". ALL parts remain true to the oath. Look at some other news besides Russian, and open your eyes. And then I watch the Russian news and see ... millions of refugees, whom no one saw, crossed over troops, whom no one shows, except for the full-time admiral who was sent to **** all the Ukrainian Navy, and who is awaiting trial. And, no, he will hide in Russia, in the company of Yanyk, Pshonka, and other scum. Well, the more you shelter, the cleaner it will be. In general, shoot them, these political "refugees", even the South-East does not recognize them in life ... do not mess with Mr. Vnom.
        1. GP
          GP 5 March 2014 18: 51
          +5
          Quote: Vital 33
          ... do not mess with Mr. Vnom.

          They themselves all got dirty, and now someone has to rake it so that it does not splash over the edge.
          1. Vital 33
            Vital 33 5 March 2014 19: 10
            -3
            If you "rake", it is to store the city ... but at your own place, then for God's sake, rake it ...
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  17. Sypress
    Sypress 5 March 2014 15: 34
    +7
    Well done guy. 15 minutes of testing for patience and correctness. I would kick these yeti with a microphone ....
  18. officer29
    officer29 5 March 2014 15: 35
    +5
    Information is not very believable! My classmates living in Crimea say that the Ukrainian military took a wait and see attitude (neither yours, nor ours request ), it remains to be seen how Russia will behave in this situation and what it would be like if Sevastopol was left alone for Russia, and after all they would serve and live here, Russia would not take all to itself and not all would be able to leave. It will be very unpleasant when, after taking the new Oath, everything will drown and the masked guys from the Right Sector will knock on you in the middle of the night! crying
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 5 March 2014 15: 51
      +2
      Now, the guys need confidence, God forbid, they will not settle it in their favor and then they will sit for the rest of their lives. Actions on our part should be clear and confident then the people will reach out. And to say that our troops are not in Crimea for the whole world and it turns out that they are afraid to admit in this and in the end, all this that Yanukovych asked about it that the Crimeans asked it all down the drain where will they switch to our side ???
    2. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 5 March 2014 15: 53
      +4
      And that’s how most Ukrainians are going to sit out under the bed or by the Zhinka under the hem! It’s not known how it will turn out.
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 5 March 2014 16: 00
      0
      Quote: officer29
      My classmates living in Crimea say that the Ukrainian military took a wait and see attitude

      And on whose side are they generally leaning, how is everyone looking at?
  19. erased
    erased 5 March 2014 15: 49
    0
    Now do not lose pace and do not miss the initiative. Next in turn are neighboring areas!
  20. tasey
    tasey 5 March 2014 16: 12
    +5
    No guys. Crimea from Banderlog definitely "left" ...
    1. guran
      guran 5 March 2014 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: tasey
      No guys. Crimea from Banderlog definitely "left" ...

      I really hope for it.
  21. targitai
    targitai 5 March 2014 16: 28
    +2
    what kind of military are they ?! They sit and wait how Russia will behave. But they themselves cannot do anything. Even if the whole of Ukraine drowns in blood, they will sit and wait, if only they would not be touched.
    1. GP
      GP 5 March 2014 16: 43
      0
      Quote: Targitai
      what kind of military are they ?! They sit and wait how Russia will behave. But they themselves cannot do anything. Even if the whole of Ukraine drowns in blood, they will sit and wait, if only they would not be touched.


      The military, who are friends with the head. The Russian units have already been located in the Crimea for 20 years under the agreement. And nowhere else except in the Crimea they are not. What happens if the banderlog gangs do the assault? Nothing good for sure. And they do not want to add oil to the fire of an existing mess. And who will guard the weapons depots will not be so important, the main thing is not to be sacked and shot. Now this is not necessary at all.
  22. riaba
    riaba 5 March 2014 16: 42
    +1
    The guy is just handsome. Sensibly everything says. do not dig
  23. Hey
    Hey 5 March 2014 16: 52
    0
    In order to understand the real picture of what is happening and to predict something for myself, at least, I am interested in more earthly problems. How many more people can pour into the Armed Forces of Crimea. Who and what kind of monetary allowance will be paid by those who have sided with the Crimea. Actions of the transferred units in the event of a conflict. How quickly financial assistance will come from Russia. Will the allocation of money be made up from this assistance to the Crimean Armed Forces? And just what kind of currency is now in circulation in the Crimea. What are the problems with tax collection.
  24. terrible
    terrible 5 March 2014 16: 56
    +1
    for whom the power of the Ukrainians and will fall. so it was under Alexei Mikhalych, and Peter, and under Stalin. not without reason the best prostitutes in Ukraine.
  25. Muxalet
    Muxalet 5 March 2014 17: 24
    0
    Anuka for objectivity, call at least a couple of No. h. Who have switched to the side of Russia?
  26. anarky
    anarky 5 March 2014 17: 53
    +1
    There is a black assumption that the political instructor is lying (s) and the Ukrainian units do not run over so swiftly to the new government. But this does not negate the fact that they allowed to seize their land, and in places and places of their location it is not clear to anyone without a single shot. And there is no need here about "brotherly blood". I swore an oath - defend the Motherland, act according to the charter. Not that I expected some kind of fierce resistance from them, but without firing a single shot is a shame.
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 20: 40
      +1
      And formally, no one captured them. In this situation, the one who shot the first one started the war, with all the ensuing consequences. So they stand so opposite each other. Nobody wants a stupid death.
  27. Former
    Former 5 March 2014 18: 18
    -6
    P.I.ZD.UN.YE FUN AS AND ALL PUTIN TV
  28. guran
    guran 5 March 2014 18: 26
    +2
    Quote: Turkestan

    The commander deliberately led the personnel of the brigade to the guarded object. Risking the lives of the brigade personnel.

    FOR WHAT?



    I, too, do not understand this circus with horses and flags. The commander lived up to gray eggs, and behaves like a hysterical woman. Durik himself rushing at armed people and the herd leads. With such an ataman, they obviously did not have to bother. Wanted to kill himself? Well, let him personally shoot in the office, but rather, sit down in the toilet, put the barrel in his mouth and - glory to Ukraine!
    To a Ukrainian officer, fleeing shame, committed suicide? Who is it and where has it been seen? Shame did not fat, shook - lagged behind.
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 18: 41
      -12%
      The commander brought the personnel to his base, which was captured by "unknowns". He and his subordinates are such cowards that they came unarmed to their base and were not afraid. But the armed "polite representative of self-defense", OBO FIRED at the sight of people armed with flags that he began to screech hysterically and shoot in the air. He even promised to kill, but did not kill ...
      And who was about to fight?
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 5 March 2014 18: 58
        +3
        And you would really like that. Well, of course "bloody gebnya" wets the patriots of Ukrland. Ugh on you.
        1. Vital 33
          Vital 33 5 March 2014 19: 24
          -7
          I don’t. Even in a nightmare. Because after the first shot, coffins will go in both directions. But it is your troops who are attacking our military, and not vice versa. And ugh on your frantic napoleonchik ...
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 5 March 2014 19: 53
            +2
            Quote: Vital 33
            But it is your troops who are attacking our military, and not vice versa. And ugh on your frantic napoleonchik ...

            Here, on the contrary ... Only for some reason the people began to run into your army, and not ours. And not a statement to journalists ...

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v1YkT4GEDGU#t=151
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 5 March 2014 21: 13
              +1
              Yes-ah ... Strong video. I understand that there is shown one of the units of the Armed Forces, which still has not heroically switched to the side of the Crimean Republic?
          2. GP
            GP 5 March 2014 19: 57
            +1
            Vital 33

            You are so difficult or slow-witted, sad.

            And after all, the simple idea that "after the first shot" does not reach the coffins will not be on both sides, and the Ukrainians in Ukraine will bury the Ukrainians. Haven't you drunk blood on the Maidan yet? Internet fighters pants with straps, ugh, one shame.
            1. Vital 33
              Vital 33 5 March 2014 20: 12
              -4
              Slow-thinking is you. You can immediately see the intellectual level when there is nothing to say ...
              And about the blood, it was just enough for us. But your Fuhrer is not enough to see ...
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    3. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 20: 42
      0
      Judging by the number of magazines, everything was well paid. They now need to somehow equip themselves.
  29. Leshka
    Leshka 5 March 2014 18: 52
    +1
    Crimean army already represents a serious force
  30. guran
    guran 5 March 2014 18: 58
    +5
    Quote: Vital 33
    He and his subordinates are such cowards that they came unarmed


    yes, and most importantly, they didn’t forget to take foreign journalists with them, to cover the cooling anuses, apparently)) I would have taken the commander’s mother on a hike)) Although there are already wife cannons loaded with dumplings for some of their Ukrainian soldiers near the Ukrainian units.
    And what's the point of sitting so stupidly in part? What does this give Ukrainians? The glory of the defenders of the Brest Fortress does not give rest? So there they fought, not sat. Here they sit, wait, figure out the options, they are afraid to cheapen.

    Naturally, the patrol opened warning fire, what is cowardly here? The usual practice of holding back inadequate crowds.
    And the commander immediately began to explain to reporters that he de did not guarantee their safety))
    Here, in principle, is the whole comedy. And what did they achieve by coming with flags (why the hell with flags? Why not with one flag of Ukraine?)?
    In short, all this hysterical theatrical tusunya campaign was especially for journalists.
    Like, here we are, what kind of heroes, with flags and accredited by the most I can not))
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 19: 21
      -5
      Well, yes, journalists would have covered them from bullets wassat So there they fought, not sat
      Do you want the war to go? request And no one is wondering. All immediately refused. One admiral was agreed, and then the scribe will be to him if he does not run away in time.
      And if you do not know, then one flag of Ukraine, and the second is the banner of the unit. Go to the army, there they will teach ...
      And the journalists themselves come here and give at least information. And not a mythical nonsense about "millions" of refugees who apparently crossed the border, and immediately all went into the woods to hide so that no one would see. Yes, even if the governors were warned, otherwise they were so surprised about hundreds of thousands of refugees on their territory wassat
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  31. darksoul
    darksoul 5 March 2014 19: 03
    +2
    Quote: Muxalet
    Anuka for objectivity, call at least a couple of No. h. Who have switched to the side of Russia?


    no one will say anything, we don’t show the soldiers of our blocking parts of the Crimea, you have real hysteria against Russia on the forums and tv. Information war in one word. The main thing to remember is that we are brothers and the blood did not spill.
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 19: 32
      -7
      We have no hysteria against Russia. There are (unlike you) reports from the Crimea, with videos and interviews. And not just notes from the presenter, without anything.
      Here, unlike you, we can watch news from both Russia and Ukraine, and you can compare what and where they show. And honestly, this comparison is unfortunately not in Russia's favor. According to Russian news, they are driving such chernukha that it’s just amazing. And this is a pity. If someone in Russia had the opportunity (and desire) to watch Ukrainian news ... But few people know the language.
      1. TRex
        TRex 5 March 2014 19: 48
        +8
        Vital! Stop driving the blizzard yourself - "millions of refugees", etc. Where did you hear about it yourself? Not millions, but some one and a half hundred thousand in two months. I myself am closely following the events in Ukraine from all sources ... I’m talking about rosum. Of course, it is a pity for the military in Crimea - they remain practically surrounded by their fathers-commanders. Here you have to think with your head - how to live on ... But I remember the beginning of the 90s, tk. witnessed those events. I remember how naval schools were raided in Sevastopol, how they seized the commandant's office and many other things, including the "train of friendship" from the Westerners ... How they tore up red flags on boats and bawl their anthems. So that it's time to collect stones.
        Do not blame me - history is developing in a spiral. You will have to get out of Crimea.
        1. Vital 33
          Vital 33 5 March 2014 20: 09
          -4
          Of course I was joking about "millions". About one and a half hundred thousand were shown on your news. True, they showed one man, with a bag, obviously went to work. And they didn't even get an interview. The man himself probably does not know that he is a refugee. Moreover, the governors of the border regions of Russia were very surprised to hear about a bunch of refugees, but oh well ... request
          And, while still showing the border, and a number of cars, but then everyone looked closely, and saw what they showed the Ukrainian-Polish cordon .. wassat In general, cheap ...
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 5 March 2014 21: 18
            +1
            Quote: Vital 33
            About one and a half hundred thousand showed on your news. True, they showed one man with a bag, obviously went to work.

            Actually, a representative of the FMS said about 150+. Official. Yes on the news. Yes, the FMS did not make a special official statement on this subject. But! Can he lie? Brazenly lying to the whole world. Can? So you have to believe it.
            1. Vital 33
              Vital 33 5 March 2014 21: 24
              -3
              Well of course he can't lie. True, I repeat, where are these refugees ??? Show at least one, show the interview ... and of course ... believe ...
              AND!!! More about the Polish border, if you explain, then of course ... I believe sincerely ...
              About "sahaidachny" and the entire unfortunate fleet of Ukraine also said ... but it turned out .... in general, I believe ... fellow
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 5 March 2014 21: 58
                +2
                Quote: Vital 33
                True, I repeat, where are these refugees ???

                How difficult you are all the same ... The word refugees was not spoken. It is said: for such a period, 150+ people crossed the border and registered. Besides. Matvienko spoke about the same thing at the Federation Council. If there is a desire, you will find it all on the Internet. At the same time you will get acquainted with her and with the state device of Russia. But the governors of Kursk and Belgorod regions spoke about the refugees. In the sense that the flow has already begun, but so far people are resolving according to relatives and friends, but in order to be prepared in case of something to take a large number of them, appropriate measures are being taken. You will find some in the internet if you want.
                By the way. For 8 months (sort of like that - too lazy to look ... Look for yourself. Everything can be found on the official websites) a little less than 700 citizens of Ukraine crossed the border, and 000 seem to have crossed over 150 months
                1. Vital 33
                  Vital 33 5 March 2014 22: 09
                  -3
                  No, it was precisely "refugees" that was said. And the governors first saw the light, and then they were enlightened from the Kremlin and they confirmed ...)))
                  In Russia there are (according to various estimates) from 1,5 to 3 million Ukrainians in earnings. Every month, a bunch of people cross the border to a bunch of people in one direction or the other. They were simply recorded as refugees))) You have four million Tajik refugees)))
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 5 March 2014 22: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: Vital 33
                    No, it was precisely "refugees" that was said.

                    Listen to the official (you know, right?) Sources. And to stop the empty bazaar, climb into the Internet and about what I told you to look for. In the news archive, this story probably has not yet been demolished. This is me about the FMS and Matvienko. Well, everything else is there. Well, look at RBC.
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              2. beige
                beige 6 March 2014 11: 40
                0
                Quote: Vital 33
                Well of course he can't lie. True, I repeat, where are these refugees ??? Show at least one, show the interview ... and of course ... believe ...
                AND!!! More about the Polish border, if you explain, then of course ... I believe sincerely ...
                About "sahaidachny" and the entire unfortunate fleet of Ukraine also said ... but it turned out .... in general, I believe ..


                Victim of UkrSMI ... Unhappy ...
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      2. GP
        GP 5 March 2014 20: 07
        +3
        Vital 33 turn your blizzard back. In Russia, there are a lot of all kinds of channels from all over the world, incl. from Ukraine. And to write on the Internet forum nonsense about "no possibility" is already out of delirium.
        1. Vital 33
          Vital 33 5 March 2014 20: 10
          -6
          A cannon in your head. I wrote about the desire more ...
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  32. darksoul
    darksoul 5 March 2014 19: 45
    +4
    Quote: Vital 33
    If in Russia someone had the opportunity (and desire) to watch Ukrainian news


    What we need, we have already seen. And how were the golden eagles heralded by beggars, and how did your right sector promise to wash aunts and Crimea with blood to wash ... or is it a photo montage.? Temoshenko gathered in NATO and our fleet was to be removed, well, as for the fleet, I’ll tell you friendship is friendship and we’ll bend cancer so that it won’t seem enough ...... I agree the information war is going tough in both directions. Ukrainians, you just don’t understand that the usual pawn in the geopolitical war of the USA and the EU against Russia, Russia really has recently become strong and is afraid of it.
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 20: 02
      -3
      That's right, you see (unfortunately) only what you need ... or rather what you are shown. As for the golden eagle, I agree (in part), but did you see how they beat people to death on November 30 (before this whole canoe)? There are in the yu-tube, look how five, ten golden eagles, lying down, they cheat with a club, with their feet. People have become disabled, and this (I repeat) has not yet had any confrontations. And then the outraged people have already flooded to the Maidan. I do not make excuses for the "right sector", they are disgusting to me. But there are only a couple of thousand of them, and there were several hundred of them on the Maidan. The rest, ordinary people, who were CONVENED ... And about washing the Crimea with blood, I have not seen. Fair. If there is a link. So far, not a single "rightist" or "Bandera" member has been seen in Crimea.
      And about the fleet, AND WHAT ARE YOU WANTING AFTER STUPID AGGRESSION?
      And about "we will drive" I would not be in a hurry, maybe you will “drive", but at what cost? Or do you think that this is how it will end? And everyone is so brave here, probably because you will be at home behind the keyboard?
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      3. TRex
        TRex 5 March 2014 20: 27
        +2
        For claudia, not for claudia - I will answer your question: there were tickets on hand, but in Simferopol they covered the air - I had to turn in ... Now other options are being considered. But you were silent about my pearl about Sevastopol ... Are you embarrassed?
        "Who remembers the past - the eye of VON. And who forgets - that BOTH"
        1. Vital 33
          Vital 33 5 March 2014 20: 35
          -2
          I am not ashamed. I was not in Sevastopol, therefore, I am silent. Schools did not dribble, etc. If you are about politicians, then I also have complaints about them. And as for the flags and everything else, so in those years everyone had fun. Or am I wrong? Red flags tore everywhere, and their hymns bawled everywhere. And FIRST Russia withdrew from the USSR. Do you remember?
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  33. kafa
    kafa 5 March 2014 20: 08
    +1
    Quote: tasey
    No guys. Crimea from Banderlog definitely "left" ...

    your words yes to god in ears winked
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    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 21: 10
      -3
      I'm further to the Crimea (unfortunately). I live in Lugansk. But if I smell fried, I'll go too, and I'm not the only one here. Regarding the government, you are wrong, no matter what it is, everyone voted for it, including the Party of Regions. I also don’t like it, but what it is, and everything is according to the law. If you do not like someone else’s government, this is not a reason to send troops. Our states are not deified at all, here you say nothing. In Ukraine, it is also difficult to find a person who treats Russia badly. Current, I ask you to inappropriately show and write about the nerds Natsik. Their absolute minority. Go yourself to the Carpathians and look and listen. Do not fall for cheap propaganda. If someone tells me that the Russians are not brothers to me, they watered in the face (and got it). Unfortunately, there are enough Natsiks everywhere, and you have at least them ...
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  35. supertiger21
    supertiger21 5 March 2014 21: 02
    +4
    The question of the independence of Crimea is practically only a matter of time. The problem is what kind of reaction Kiev will have. Moreover, the "Crimean army" that has existed for a couple of days is not yet strong enough to provide an armed rebuff. It would be nice for us to support our brother on the path to self-determination.
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 21: 11
      -4
      It’s interesting when all sorts of Tatarstan, Kabardinians, etc. start talking about self-determination, how do you sing?
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 6 March 2014 17: 59
        0
        Quote: Vital 33
        It’s interesting when all sorts of Tatarstan, Kabardinians, etc. start talking about self-determination, how do you sing?


        They talked many times already, but managed to find a compromise. But the Ukrainian authorities can only act by force, which goes against them with bestowal.
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  36. darksoul
    darksoul 5 March 2014 21: 08
    +1
    Quote: supertiger21
    The question of the independence of Crimea is practically only a matter of time. The problem is what kind of reaction Kiev will have. Moreover, the "Crimean army" that has existed for a couple of days is not yet strong enough to provide an armed rebuff. It would be nice for us to support our brother on the path to self-determination.


    Uncle Vova said help
  37. darksoul
    darksoul 5 March 2014 21: 23
    +2
    Quote: Vital 33
    Do not fall for cheap propaganda.


    What name? I can remind. Western friends: Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. This is war. Now the overthrow of the government by the same methods: Kyrgyzstan, Egypt, Georgia, destabilization in Syria. At the same time as during the 2008 Olympics with Georgia, so that the reaction is delayed now, Ukraine and Venezuela are at the same time thinking about good goals ... 5 billion dollars funded by the states in you to create a hotbed of tension near our borders, this is your price of freedom
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 21: 28
      -2
      Serbia, Iraq, etc., absolutely agree with you. I’m generally talking about anti-Russian propaganda. And about the hatred of Western Ukrainians towards Russians. Believe me, there are normal people, and deeply do not care who you are by nationality.
      There are ki who are trying to advance with such screams. But there are very, very few of them. Once again I say, do not believe. Go (if possible) and check. And unfortunately, idiots are everywhere enough ...
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  38. borys
    borys 5 March 2014 21: 27
    +4
    Kiev’s reaction to the transition of Crimea to Russia is not a great problem. In Russia
    shoulder and big.
  39. darksoul
    darksoul 5 March 2014 21: 41
    +1
    Quote: Vital 33
    Serbia, Iraq, etc., absolutely agree with you. I’m generally talking about anti-Russian propaganda. And about the hatred of Western Ukrainians towards Russians. Believe me, there are normal people, and deeply do not care who you are by nationality.


    Now in the ort they showed the pre-conference of some kind of bald goat ... the right-wing sector says that it is necessary to carry out terrorist attacks in Russia, Tymoshenko said in NATO to Europe, the navy tries ... p, in Lviv they show how children are taught to speak in schools not in Misha and mihasik, the child says again, Misha, she freaks out, a sign hangs on the house here in Moscow, Moscow and the phones of the right sector, in Russia I don’t know whether or not all cities raise demonstrations to collect help, personally went with his wife to the square in Krasnodar . As for the information war, I can tell you Russia stupidly still cannot lead it, ridiculous attempts, our specialists are blocking the tigers in Simferopol, but this does not confirm it, the rest is all that some kind of stupid staged clowning in the form of a Russian soldier and Ukrainian patriots marching under cameras of the western channels. By the way, the first law that your new government adopted to ban the Russian language, now by the way, they forbid you to translate the Cyrillic alphabet into Latin, so soon you will write to me not, bl..ya and blya
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 22: 04
      -2
      Firstly, the law on the language Turchinov refused to sign. About the Cyrillic and Latin scripts, I don’t know where you heard this nonsense. If you said that Ukrainian astronauts on Mars, I would have believed more belay
      THIS IS TOTAL Nonsense !!! Do not believe it! About the kindergarten, so this will again show the idiot Farion,))) pulled out a video two years ago. Her parents themselves quickly drove her there (under the bunk). And about all sorts of ... calls for all garbage, I can dig a bunch of them both in Russia and everywhere. You just have to pay less attention to them, they themselves will rest ...
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  40. darksoul
    darksoul 5 March 2014 22: 18
    +4
    Quote: Vital 33
    If you said that Ukrainian astronauts on Mars, I would have believed more


    I understand that everything is fine with you, do not be offended, I’m just zombified by the Kremlin. Everything is as before, the west is brewing, Russia is extreme. Look at Yugoslavia ... you will not be stupidly divided, the information war. In general, if you delve into the problem of 1917, I forgot the name of the German, who said that Russia could be defeated only when Ukraine was split off from it when the brother went to his brother hating each other. So our strength is in unity, and if you need help, why are you so afraid that the enemy came to you as if we were taking you back to the Janek tanks?


    good video
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 22: 36
      -2
      Words about disconnection are attributed to Bismarck, but I heard that this version is disputed))). I’m not offended, it’s not started)), I’m glad that there are people with whom you can normally conduct a dialogue. As for zombies, honestly, look (if possible) Ukrainian news, there is a channel 112.say.tv. these are less honestly shown, and from all sides. I don’t stupidly believe our channels, I watch both Russians and ours, and calculate the average. But the Russian channels unfortunately show so distorted that I am simply amazed. Previously (when the whole mess started) I watched the current Russian channels, I did not believe ours, now it's the other way around.
      As for unity, I support one hundred percent. But with such actions, Russia only unfortunately "feeds" the Bendera people.
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  41. darksoul
    darksoul 5 March 2014 22: 55
    +2
    Quote: Vital 33
    But the Russian channels unfortunately show so distorted that I am simply amazed


    Can you give an example of an obvious lie that touched? For fun, I visited the Ukrainian forum yesterday, what a harsh hysteria, Putin with a mustache, the Russian invaders, about the strong army and the fleet that are Muscovites ... m pees .. they will give, they all bless pray, it feels like roofing felts were felted stoned or overdone
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 5 March 2014 23: 11
      -1
      OH!!! As much as I "unsubscribed" today, I have not written in two years of being on this site ...
      Well, about what hurt ... About the "refugees" lies, about the fact that "the troops went over to the side of the Crimea" lies, about the fleet, too, lies, well, you saw it yourself. About "hundreds of thousands" in the South-East who are asking "to come and protect them" lies. I live in Lugansk myself, I saw these rallies. The maximum was 2 thousand people. Half of them were for, the other against, but they show how everyone is for ... In Kharkov, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, rallies were held for the unity of Ukraine. And there were several times more people there. By the way, this was not shown on Russian channels. But to see somewhere someone saw, here yesterday (in my opinion) they were indignant that the inhabitants of Odessa were traitors, etc. By the way, in Kharkov (when the ODA was stormed again, the Maidanites were knocked out), dozens of buses with Belgorod numbers were parked in all the nearby streets. There is a video on the internet. Have you been shown? And the people from Kharkov (according to the SBU), imported from Russia, were in Odessa the next day ... there is also a video ...
      In general, a lot ... You certainly say that they say give links, etc. I won’t argue with you, there’s no strength left. If desired, all this can be found on the Internet.
      I do not say that the Ukrainian media are saints ... also scum ...
      1. Staff Sergeant
        Staff Sergeant 6 March 2014 00: 10
        +5
        Quote: Vital 33
        And people from Kharkov (according to the SBU), imported from Russia, were in Odessa the next day ... there is also a video ...

        Maybe you mean this:
        http://dbelyaev.ru/as-underway-informaitsonnye-war-of-crimea-15670.html
        It is also funny to read about "according to the SBU" .. With the complete paralysis of this service, the dominance of all sorts of sons, relatives, etc., who are only engaged in protection, cash-in, wringing out, etc. There are certainly specialists, but their negligible number in this system is not able to "give a result."
        Himself from Kharkov. The rallies for unity were organized by one smart-ass opportunist, a scoundrel, a traitor by the name of Kernes. He's still a character. It was he who voiced that "FOR UNITY". The people, as it were, were once again divorced.
      2. beige
        beige 6 March 2014 11: 51
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        Quote: Vital 33
        By the way, in Kharkov (when they again stormed the ODA, drove the Maidanites) dozens of buses with Belgorod numbers stood on all nearby streets.

        Have you been to Kharkov? Have you seen these buses? Or did UkrSMI cook a beautiful picture for you?
      3. beige
        beige 6 March 2014 11: 51
        0
        Quote: Vital 33
        By the way, in Kharkov (when they again stormed the ODA, drove the Maidanites) dozens of buses with Belgorod numbers stood on all nearby streets.

        Have you been to Kharkov? Have you seen these buses? Or did UkrSMI cook a beautiful picture for you?
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  42. zoomIZH
    zoomIZH 5 March 2014 23: 27
    +1
    The flagship of the Ukrainian Navy "Getman Sagaidachny" has entered the port of Odessa, the ship is equipped with NATO intelligence equipment. This was reported to ITAR-TASS on Wednesday by a source at the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF).

    "At around 14:30, the Ukrainian frigate Hetman Sagaidachny entered the port of Odessa. The ship's commander received an order from the command of the Ukrainian Navy not to enter Sevastopol," the agency's source said.

    According to him, according to the information available, on the ship during its missions in the Gulf of Aden and the Mediterranean Sea, NATO reconnaissance and communications equipment was installed, which the frigate could not use in Sevastopol due to the counteraction of electronic warfare equipment of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation.
    http://sevastopol.su/news.php?id=58251

  43. zoomIZH
    zoomIZH 5 March 2014 23: 30
    0

    one day
  44. muhomor
    muhomor 5 March 2014 23: 50
    +1
    We must pay tribute to the Western and Ukrainian media, skillfully work off the grandmother! Result infor. war is evident in the eyes of the average Ukrainian Russian sneaky, cowardly banderlog.
  45. darksoul
    darksoul 6 March 2014 00: 01
    +1
    Quote: Vital 33
    I do not say that the Ukrainian media are saints ... also scum ...



    I’m arguing and I won’t, but here we are talking calmly, for example, drove the Ukrainian forums in Yandex, stopped by, people talk, only a strange form is hard to slander Russia, when trying to protect someone without finding arguments, they are hard to swear ... like walking around the forum http://ukrpolitforum.com/page20395s0.html if interested
  46. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 6 March 2014 00: 37
    +3
    Hello!
    My opinion.
    The President of Ukraine is also legitimate and on the same rights as Khrushchev in 53 g transfers the Crimean Peninsula as a gift to the Russian Federation, as a sign of friendship of a single people.
    1. Alexis
      Alexis 6 March 2014 03: 42
      +1
      I completely agree)
  47. ikrut
    ikrut 6 March 2014 03: 00
    +4
    Today I specially drove from Alushta to Yalta. For the whole trip there and back, and for four hours in Yalta I did not see ANY military man. I saw a couple of police officers. At 16-00, a rally began at the Lenin monument in Yalta. I had to leave, because I did not stay long, about 5 minutes. By the beginning there were up to a thousand people. people all arrived. Everything is peaceful, fun, friendly. ALL for peace, friendship and alliance with Russia. Yalta is warm and sunny today. A mass of people walks along the promenade. A lot of children. Musicians entertain. The beauty. In Crimea, peace and tranquility. Thanks to Russia. THANK!
  48. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 6 March 2014 03: 50
    0
    I want the guys from the Ukrainian army to say:
    - The army exists to protect the territory and citizens from external aggression! And not to protect politicians and oligarchs!
    I would also like to remind you what happened to the lads from "Berkut"! Who honestly did their duty!
    There are no guarantees that the new government of Kiev will not do the same with the sun!
    Do not turn to politicians! Turn to your heart and your people! YOU ARE PART OF THIS PEOPLE AND UKRAINE IS YOU!