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Losing accumulation of forces. Japanese war and today's Ukraine

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Recently - 2014.02.09 - one hundred and ten years since the beginning of the Russian-Japanese war. At night, without warning, the Japanese attacked Port Arthur and torpedoes damaged two battleships and a cruiser. The next morning they tried to seize the cruiser Varyag and the gunboat Koreyan in the port of Chemulpo: we blew up the low-speed Koreyan, and the speeding Varyag returned to the port after a breakthrough attempt and then it was flooded the time of the First World War, when we were allies with them, returned to us). Our losses provided Japan with supremacy at sea and unimpeded transfer of forces through Korea (then the semi-colony of Japan) to northeast China, where the main land confrontation developed.


The Minister of War of the Russian Empire, Infantry General Alexei Nikolaevich Kuropatkin, foresaw the possibility of such a turn of events. And made the appropriate plan of action. The capacity of the single-track at that time (and even with the ferry crossing through Baikal) of the Trans-Siberian Railway was incomparably lower than the possibilities of Japanese maritime transport. But the mobilization reserve of Russia is several times larger than the Japanese. In the initial period of the war, Japan will be able to direct almost all the forces she has to the theater of military operations. It is necessary to stretch their communications with retreat, deplete them with constant clashes at defense-friendly frontiers, but at the same time not be fixed for a long time: the exposed position is under artillery fire, and the Japanese are also enough at first. By delaying the war in this way, one can accumulate one's own forces, superior to those of Japan: it has a lot less capacity to build. Thus, a series of retreats will sooner or later be replaced by a victorious onslaught.

The calculation was generally justified. The Russian troops, under the able guidance of Kuropatkin himself, retreated slowly and in perfect order. Each collision brought more sacrifices from the Japanese side than from the Russian: with other things being equal, attacking is more difficult than defending, and the offensive pays off only with the possibility of further extermination of the randomly running enemy or a breakthrough into its unprotected rear. Japan's economy, too, was depleting much faster than the Russian. In the end, an obvious Russian advantage really accumulated in the theater of military operations, which makes it possible to successfully crush the enemy.

Unfortunately, Kuropatkin’s plan was far from all.

First of all, not everywhere you can retreat far enough. Liaodong Peninsula is small. Already 1904.05.29 the Japanese occupied the trade port of Dalian without a fight (in Russian documents - Far). This, however, was preceded by the 1904.05.26 battle at Jinzhou: one Russian 12 regiment repulsed the attacks of three Japanese divisions and withdrew only after the left flank was shot by Japanese gunners - Russian losses amounted to about one and a half thousand, Japanese more than three times. But if the main forces were located not in Manchuria, but on Liaodong (for all the difficulties of their supply), then the battle would take place in qualitatively different conditions. Now, the Japanese were able to completely free to supply the troops besieging the military port of Lüshun (Port Arthur). Attempts to break from there 1-th Pacific squadron failed. In addition, the previous savings on the construction of fortifications around the port allowed the Japanese to capture some commanding heights relatively easily. 1905.01.02 Arthur, exhausted by the blockade and badly destroyed by siege weapons, capitulated.

With the fall of the main naval base in the Pacific, 2-I Pacific squadron under the command of Vice-Admiral Zinovy ​​Petrovich Rozhestvensky and 3-I squadron of Rear-Admiral Nikolai Ivanovich Nebogatov who joined it, were forced to move to Vladivostok. The limited coal supply not only did not allow us to train in joint maneuvering on the vast route from the Baltic, but also limited the choice of paths at the final stage of the hike. The fleet moved the shortest route - through the strait east of the islands of Tsushima. 1905.05.27 Japanese fleet, possessing superiority in speed of most of its ships and good maneuvering experience, almost unchecked shot Russian battleships and cruisers with high-explosive shells, powerless against armor, but ruthlessly crippling poorly protected structures. 6 squadron battleships from 8, 1 coastal defense battleship from 3, all 3 armored cruisers died. Rozhestvensky was wounded shortly after the start of the battle. The next day nebogatov surrendered almost all the remaining forces: they clearly could not resist, and he no longer saw any sense in the glorious death.

And just the unwillingness to die was the main consequence of Kuropatkin’s strategy. The country got used to hear about the next retreats - even after the enemy stopped storming the fortified positions and retreated to the starting line. Public opinion has become convinced that such a series of failures can be generated only by the lack of talent of the leadership at all levels, and even direct betrayal at some key links. Not everyone wanted to fight for such a command and such a government.

The surrender of Arthur long before the obvious exhaustion of the possibilities for resistance was also unlikely to have been possible if there had been more than bad news from the hills of Manchuria. Hope for a de-blockade is the strongest incentive to find new ways of defense.

For the same reason, the superior Russian forces continued to retreat from the weakest Japanese. Even when Kuropatkina replaced the Infantry General Nikolai Petrovich Linevich as commander in the theater of military operations, who had previously successfully commanded the Russian part of the troops who had suppressed the uprising of the troops of harmony and justice — ihetuan — in China in 1901, they managed to gain a foothold at a constant line only after several more waste, and even the onset of even the speech was not. Neither the troops nor the public could believe in the possibility of defeating the formidable Japanese, although they were already at their last gasp: almost half of the pre-war army remained, the treasury was in debt like silk, except that the fleet was combat-ready.

Peace talks in US Portsmouth - the namesake of the then main British base fleet - culminated in September 1905.09.05, 1895 with the recognition of the defeat of Russia. The southern half of Sakhalin went to Japan. The lease of the Liaodong Peninsula by Russia from China was terminated, and he again - as in XNUMX - was leased from Japan. She received the right from Russia to manage Manchuria. Russia even paid an indemnity disguised as compensation for the costs of Japan's maintenance of Russian prisoners.

Now many are arguing what role their first provocateurs, like priest George Apollonovich Gapon (he created the Assembly of Russian factory workers of St. Petersburg, from quite good motives, but tried to make him the leading force in politics) played in the launch of the first Russian revolution, which - the then oligarchs who wanted to turn their wealth into an opportunity to command the country, and some English money (not only distributed directly, but also passed through Japan: it was Britain that developed Japan as stve anti-Russian instrument - not so much for conventional confrontation in the center of Asia, but for the Russian belief in the weakness and forced her to the entry into the Union and Britain). But few people remember the extent to which the then public opinion was demoralized by a hopeless series of military defeats. The same oligarchs put up with political powerlessness (and the Old Believers, who made up a large share of Russian rich people, also confessional oppression), while they were sure that the country as a whole was coming to success and needed only not to interfere with it. But when successes were replaced by a rather obvious failure, the desire to press or even replace the current leadership gained serious ground.

This is probably enough to assess the possible ingenious designs of the leadership of the Russian Federation regarding the course of events in Ukraine and the possibilities of the influence of the Russian Federation on these events.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 28 February 2014 17: 20
    +20
    Laughing out loud laughing In trousers wrought:

    Dzhemilev asked Turchinov to transfer the entire army to the Crimea.

    SIMFEROPOL / AKMESJIT (QHA) - People's Deputy from the Batkivshchyna faction, ex-head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar Mustafa Dzhemilev asked the acting President, Speaker of the Ukrainian Parliament Oleksandr Turchinov to transfer the entire army to Crimea. Dzhemilev told this to reporters in the Verkhovna Rada, RBC-Ukraine reports.

    - I spoke with Turchinov about the fact that what kind of military units we have, forces — everything must be thrown into the Crimea. In other areas, we have no threat yet. Impose a state of emergency and take control. But again, there are fears that we will provoke and our forces will not be enough. I do not think that Russia will go to full-scale war. But the country must be defended ... They constantly call me and say: if Ukraine cannot do something, give us at least a weapon, ”said Dzhemilev.

    QHA

    http://qha.com.ua/djemilev-poprosil-turchinova-perebrosit-vsyu-armiyu-v-krim-133


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    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 28 February 2014 17: 24
      +10
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      - I spoke with Turchinov that what military units and forces we have - everything must be thrown into the Crimea

      and then everything will fit? wink
      1. Ari100kraT
        Ari100kraT 28 February 2014 17: 28
        +11
        Yanyk presses the conference. Speaks firmly, but tongue-tied. Listening to how he "heroically" escaped is simply sickening, the passage about the temporary refuge with a friend in Rostov looks especially funny ...
        Yanyk supports the actions of the Crimean authorities, but calls for wide autonomy within Ukraine ...
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 28 February 2014 17: 55
          +3
          Quote: Ari100krat
          Yanyk presses the conference. Speaks firmly, but tongue-tied. Listening to how he "heroically" escaped is simply sickening, the passage about the temporary refuge with a friend in Rostov looks especially funny ...


          From the Donbass.
          He started to look, and threw it - Januzep is just some kind of worm, and what he says is most like dysentery diarrhea.
          1. Ari100kraT
            Ari100kraT 28 February 2014 18: 10
            0
            Quote: Hudo
            He started to look, and threw it - Januzep is just some kind of worm, and what he says is most like dysentery diarrhea.

            Turns like a frying pan, the main points:
            - that's not my fault;
            - I am the legally elected president
            - I was betrayed (people, experiences and EU ministers who were guarantors of the deal)
            - I will be back when there is a guarantee of my personal safety
            - I'm a hero, I stopped the bloodshed during the Orange Revolution and partially now ...
            - Russia should not be aloof. Why is Putin silent? (he asked a question and directly drew attention to this)

            He is asked how he relates to the fact that his and his son’s accounts are blocked in Switzerland, and he bears: In Kiev, lawlessness and I can’t calmly relate to this, let them stop everything else can be returned back fool
            From the last:
            Mezhyhirya belongs to foreigners, it owns 1, 7 hectares and a house of 620 sq.m. bought for $ 3,2 million, Yanyk has no accounts abroad laughing
            1. sssla
              sssla 28 February 2014 20: 22
              +4
              Quote: Ari100krat
              He is asked how he relates to the fact that his and his son’s accounts are blocked in Switzerland, and he bears: In Kiev, lawlessness and I can’t calmly relate to this, let them stop everything else can be returned back

              Give an example of a crystal clear person from the plane of the powers that be! You have the whole globe at your disposal
            2. morpex
              morpex 28 February 2014 22: 31
              0
              Quote: Ari100krat
              Turns like a frying pan, the main points:

              I also wrote on another thread.
              Summary of the press conference of Yanukovych:
              I couldn’t ... I couldn’t resist ... I didn’t. Not a member.
              Was not. Was not. Was not. Was not. I didn't even stand nearby! "
              And things are not his, and there are no accounts. And the son is poor almost like a church mouse.
              And he is the president, but he does not know about the Russian military in Crimea.
              The feeling of a different reality - he is in one - we are in another.
              Get away all the bad ones, return me honest, asks Yanukovych.
              Russians! Now you are convinced that this is ORC!
              1. matross
                matross 28 February 2014 23: 26
                0
                Quote: morpex
                Russians! Now you are convinced that this is ORC!

                So no doubt! And he was replaced by GOBLINS! You can safely rename MORDOR!
          2. a52333
            a52333 28 February 2014 18: 11
            +6
            Weak speaker, I’m looking, GDP is three times stronger. BUT, got courage and spoke!
            2. He made one mistake: he incorrectly chose with whom (against whom) to be friends.
            1. Ari100kraT
              Ari100kraT 28 February 2014 18: 21
              +3
              Quote: a52333
              Weak speaker, I’m looking, GDP is three times stronger. BUT, got courage and spoke!


              You listen, and if without a picture (imposing and well-dressed), then you can take for the performance of a 3rd-level locksmith at a factory meeting. Something reminds Chernomyrdin, but that one had a share of banter, and this tongue-tied, impudent, illiterate bureaucrat.
              Not even a locksmith, but a student in the teacher's room: "It's not my fault, they started the first. They deceived me, and I'm good."
              This is more likely not "courage" ... personally, I got the impression that Putin does not want to meet with him, and the earth is on fire under Yanyk. that's why his questions on the air: " I know Putin, he is a firm politician, why is he silent now? This is a question !!!"(almost an exact quote)
              "Russia should not stand aside, because Ukraine is a major partner"(like in a Soviet cartoon:" girl, I'm your greatest friend ")
              And it seems to me that he still has the hope that the leaders of the Maidan will "understand" him, watch the ending: "Think about it, otherwise it will be bo-bo (something like that)"
              So big, but believes in fairy tales (s) laughing
              1. sssla
                sssla 28 February 2014 20: 26
                0
                Quote: Ari100krat
                Something reminds Chernomyrdin, but that one had a share of banter, and this tongue-tied, impudent, illiterate bureaucrat.

                No matter how you treat him (I am also negative), how can he not become president for you! I conclude that "Pug know is strong that barks at an elephant"
                1. xan
                  xan 1 March 2014 00: 47
                  0
                  Quote: sssla
                  No matter how you feel about him (I’m also negative), but you shouldn’t become president

                  I agree, but in truth, this is a great grief for Ukraine
                  There is even an aphorism about the fact that I don’t remember how awesome it is on this subject.
                  Yanukovych showed that anyone can become president of Ukraine.
                  And now we see that a country can do without a president at all.
        2. sssla
          sssla 28 February 2014 20: 19
          0
          Quote: Ari100krat
          Listening to how he "heroically" escaped is simply sickening

          Dear, if it’s sick, why are we watching nausea? Essentially have what? If not, leave your gag reflexes with you. Please
        3. Silvio
          Silvio 28 February 2014 20: 43
          -1
          I liked the statement of one Israeli exchekist. Contrary to the statement of the IAF, the people of Israel are not horrified by the one who seized power in Kiev. Personally, the Chekist himself is horrified at how such a person can be president of at least some country. He is deprived of the ability to make decisions. That's really what 4mo! Ukrainians need to sympathize.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 28 February 2014 21: 41
            0
            Quote: Silvio
            I liked the statement of one Israeli exchekist. Contrary to the statement of the IAF, the people of Israel are not horrified by the one who seized power in Kiev.
            - surprised so surprised laughing The MOSSAD security officers are usually literate people - I admit, for all my dislike of the Zionists. And this competent Chekist does not know history? Maybe someone will enlighten this chekist about the "Volyn massacre of 1943"? Remind me that a significant part of those killed in that massacre were Jews? After all, such a massacre was entertained by Bandera, just those from whom this Chekist and
            Quote: Silvio
            the people of Israel are not terrified
            laughing Seriously, gentlemen from Israel think that Bandera is different than others, soft and fluffy? Yes, look at the Big ones, yes, soft and fluffy laughing The only thing that holds them back from repeating the "Volyn" is just the absence of serious weapons or a serious roof like the German invaders during the Second World War. And Russia is close at the same time, while serious guys in serious outfit, but without identification marks, are already guarding important transport hubs of Sevastopol and Simferopol. But THIS is holding back these scumbags, from whom "the people of Israel are not at all terrified" (either their memory is short, or they don't know history?) From their favorite entertainment "frolic in the Volyn region." Google, there is a photo of the Bagpipe Massacre on the Internet, the faint of heart should not look! After this viewing and study (before that I had heard about Bandera and the so-called UPA, but did not really know who they were), there is nothing but contempt and hatred for these people. Only destruction, physical destruction. Why did not Stalin do this immediately in the post-war years?
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 28 February 2014 17: 55
        +4
        Quote: andrei332809
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        - I spoke with Turchinov that what military units and forces we have - everything must be thrown into the Crimea

        and then everything will fit? wink

        To fit, be sure to fit after more than half refuses to execute a criminal order. The question is just what to do with this barrel of herring, salt or canned food?
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 28 February 2014 18: 20
          +3
          Quote: Ivan.
          To fit, be sure to fit after more than half refuses to execute a criminal order. The question is just what to do with this barrel of herring, salt or canned food?
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 28 February 2014 18: 40
            +2
            Quote: bomg.77
            Quote: Ivan.
            To fit, be sure to fit after more than half refuses to execute a criminal order. The question is just what to do with this barrel of herring, salt or canned food?

            Yesterday they wrote that the remnants of the Ukrainian fleet raised the Russian flag. And as I understand it, the new Crimean autonomy will acquire its fleet! laughing
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 28 February 2014 18: 47
              0
              Quote: Ivan.
              Yesterday they wrote that the remnants of the Ukrainian fleet raised the Russian flag. And as I understand it, the new Crimean autonomy will acquire its fleet!
              I only heard about "Sagaidachny", but I thought it was misinformation, but it turns out that the whole fleet is already what
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. 28 February 2014 19: 11
                +1
                Quote: bomg.77
                Quote: Ivan.
                Yesterday they wrote that the remnants of the Ukrainian fleet raised the Russian flag. And as I understand it, the new Crimean autonomy will acquire its fleet!
                I only heard about "Sagaidachny", but I thought it was misinformation, but it turns out that the whole fleet is already what

                It seems I was in a hurry, yesterday they wrote the last serious ship got out of control and raised the Russian flag, but it turns out that so far the matter is dark
                Urgently! Riot on the ship!
                Svidomo repeat the feat of the battleship Potemkin
                The Ukrainian frigate Hetman Sagaidachny rebelled in the Black Sea. After the naval exercises, the ship reportedly refused to return to the base in Sevastopol. It follows from the team's statement that it is protesting against the strengthening of the Russian language in Ukraine, against censorship in the media, against Ukraine's slide to totalitarianism. In addition, the officers are dissatisfied with the salaries they receive. At the moment, the ship has raised the NATO flag and is heading south-east, presumably to the Georgian port of Batumi.
                The coast guard of Russia, Ukraine and Abkhazia has already been raised by alarm. Official Kiev does not comment on what is happening

                better option:
                Literally: FRIENDS alone are not enough for SPRING MEN to raise ...
                1. mamba
                  mamba 28 February 2014 20: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Ivan.
                  At the moment, the ship raised the flag of NATO and is moving southeast, presumably to the Georgian port of Batumi.

                  So in Romania it was necessary! History, have they forgotten? laughing
        2. Gato
          Gato 28 February 2014 18: 59
          +3
          Quote: Ivan.
          after more than half refuses to execute a criminal order.

          Knowing the mood in the Armed Forces of Ukraine - more than half will immediately go over to the side of the Crimea (or the Russian Federation, or Yanyka?), The rest simply will not move and will send to the maidan ministers.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 28 February 2014 19: 20
            +2
            Quote: Gato
            Knowing the mood in the Armed Forces of Ukraine - more than half will immediately go over to the side of the Crimea (or the Russian Federation, or Yanyka?), The rest simply will not move and will send to the maidan ministers.

            Then we hope that they will receive this order, the golden eagle maydaunas have already lost to keep it that way. lol
          2. bomg.77
            bomg.77 28 February 2014 19: 54
            0
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            1. xan
              xan 1 March 2014 00: 51
              +1
              Quote: bomg.77
              Just a dozen Mi24 flew in the Crimea according to preliminary data, this is the Crimean Air Force self-defense)))

              Self-defense will soon have missile, space, etc. troops and bases in some countries of the world.
      3. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 28 February 2014 18: 39
        -2
        Quote: andrei332809
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        - I spoke with Turchinov that what military units and forces we have - everything must be thrown into the Crimea

        and then everything will fit? wink


        Necessarily fit: 60 people and several hundred T-000 tanks, 34 stronghold tanks. Now the army of the outskirts is not stronger than the army of Latvia.
        1. sssla
          sssla 28 February 2014 20: 29
          0
          Quote: Dimastik
          Now Army Outskirts
          The outskirts in your bedroom begin when you have an itch. Sorry, but think what you write.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 28 February 2014 17: 48
      +4
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      I can’t get rid of my pants:

      Dzhemilev asked Turchinov to transfer the entire army to the Crimea.

      Similarly laughing , I wonder if they ordered wipers in Geyop or will they stink all over the peninsula?

      15:40
      What is happening in Crimea is a natural reaction to the gangster coup in Kiev, Yanukovych believes.

      15:21
      The movement of armored vehicles of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Crimea occurs in full accordance with the basic Russian-Ukrainian agreements, the Russian Foreign Ministry noted.

      15:15
      Moscow does not see the need for urgent bilateral consultations on the Crimea proposed by the Ukrainian side. This was reported in the Russian Foreign Ministry.

      13:59
      The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine has developed a plan for resolving the situation in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The secretary of the Security Council Andrey Parubiy told reporters about it. "We have developed an action plan to prevent a separatist scenario," he said. The NSDC secretary did not name any specific details of the plan, since, in his words, "it will complicate its implementation."

      13:36
      The Supreme Council of Crimea at its meeting in the coming hours can form a new government of the autonomy. This was announced by a member of the Crimean Parliament Presidium Konstantin Bakharev. Residents of Crimea demand from the Supreme Council that Crimeans enter the Council of Ministers. Now in front of the building of the Crimean parliament the number of protesters is increasing. Compared to the morning, their number has increased several times. From time to time they chant: "Russia! Russia!"
      1. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 17: 58
        +3
        The movement of armored vehicles of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Crimea occurs in full accordance with the basic Russian-Ukrainian agreements, the Russian Foreign Ministry noted.

        That is right. Fight fire with fire. If you need to enter Kiev, the troops will perform this maneuver also in strict accordance with
        existing agreements and norms of international law. How else? Who is not tired of hearing about US actions "strictly in accordance with democratic norms and existing agreements"? How they behave further, so we will interpret the agreements. It seems that now the "moment of truth" has come. What is called, too early ... too early ... but now it's time
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 28 February 2014 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      People's Deputy from the Batkivshchyna faction, ex-head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar Mustafa Dzhemilev asked the acting President, Speaker of the Ukrainian Parliament Oleksandr Turchynov to transfer the entire army to Crimea

      And what is the Ukrainian army?
      What else are there officers who are ready to risk their heads?
      The Ukrainian army is completely demoralized, there are no sober-minded officers in the army - otherwise they would not have allowed a mess!
      1. sssla
        sssla 28 February 2014 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: APASUS
        And what is the Ukrainian army?
        What else are there officers who are ready to risk their heads?

        Imagine eating and don’t have to mock
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 28 February 2014 21: 08
          0
          Quote: sssla
          Imagine eating and don’t have to mock

          What kind of army is this that allowed the country to descend into chaos?
          And even now, in times of anarchy, he sits along the barracks, to the place of organization of at least some sort of order.
          Where is this army?
          1. sssla
            sssla 1 March 2014 00: 10
            0
            Quote: APASUS

            What kind of army is this that allowed the country to descend into chaos?
            And even now, in times of anarchy, he sits along the barracks, to the place of organization of at least some sort of order.
            Where is this army?

            I clearly answered the question. The officers are ready to risk their heads. But when they tell you that you are screaming and you don’t see your wife or children anymore, what do you say? I understand that you are waiting for an answer like Ahh, the wife and the children will get out and I went to the heroes ?? ? So no ???
            1. xan
              xan 1 March 2014 00: 58
              0
              Quote: sssla
              I clearly answered the question. The officers are ready to risk their heads. But when they tell you that you are scrubbing and you will not see your wife or children anymore, answer what you will do?

              Otmaza. In such cases, good reason is not considered.
              I would send my family to Russia.
              But you do not fuss, soon they will find you and offer adequate people to serve.
              But Ukraine will not see Crimea in any situation. You have to pay for everything
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 1 March 2014 20: 13
              0
              Quote: sssla
              ? As I understand it, you are waiting for an answer like Ahh, the wife and children themselves will get out and I went to the heroes ??? So no ???

              It seems that you are more looking for an excuse for inaction, rather than trying to answer the question. I understood perfectly well that all officers guard their families ......................... I don’t even know how to react to your phrase
        2. wax
          wax 28 February 2014 23: 19
          0
          Is there something, just what should they fight and lay down their innocent heads? So far, as I understand it, for Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Bandera and the Crimean Tatars. Accordingly, it is against the Russian-speaking and Ukrainian-speaking population, who so far work at enterprises and work hard in mines, providing Ukraine with products and taxes.
    4. Salamander
      Salamander 28 February 2014 17: 57
      +9
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU


      Dzhemilev asked Turchinov to transfer the entire army to the Crimea.



      Yes, the freedom fighters were scared! Apparently, for Dzhemilev, "transfer the army" looks like this: "copy", "Crimea", "paste" laughing
      You can’t say anything, wise people are trying to come to power ...

      I liked this picture:

      1. strannik595
        strannik595 28 February 2014 18: 05
        +3
        Dzhemilev asked Turchinov to transfer the entire army to the Crimea.
        the main thing for the current army of Ukraine is not to forget the bats and masks at military exercises .... fat to Ukraine, heroes fucked! ..... in Crimea, the guys are more serious act
        According to him, on Friday night about 50 armed men entered the airport and tried to seize the ground services building and the control room in order, as they said, not to allow the plane with the "Ukrainian landing" to land. The attackers were dressed in military uniforms and well equipped. Their faces were hidden by masks. According to eyewitnesses, we are not talking about militias from among the Russian-speaking population of Crimea, but about well-trained soldiers of the regular army's special forces. There were no insignia and affiliation with the Armed Forces of any country on their uniforms.
        Having found out that the arrival of the military is not expected, they "apologized and left," the TSN TV channel reports.
        At the same time, the soldiers of the disbanded special forces "Berkut" blocked the roads leading to the peninsula from the mainland of Ukraine. Everyone who travels to Crimea by transport is stopped and subjected to a screening procedure in a harsh manner.
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 28 February 2014 18: 49
          0
          Quote: strannik595


          Strange, on the Internet they write that this is the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and the equipment is not ours request
          1. Trofimov Andrey
            Trofimov Andrey 28 February 2014 19: 46
            0
            For the mountain rifle brigades, they bought a lot of everything from the French.
          2. SkiF_RnD
            SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 22: 42
            +2
            Why not ours. I served 2010 (2), well, perhaps the masks are somehow left-handed. And so form-berets, bronics, Kevlar helmets, we had the same. Such sights, yes, there weren’t recourse And so, this is our form.
            1. Landwarrior
              Landwarrior 28 February 2014 23: 24
              +2
              SkiF_RnD , the equipment is not ours, so the army is not ours either! am ok, fighter? am
              wink
              1. SkiF_RnD
                SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 23: 48
                +1
                ok, fighter?


                Yes sir! laughing And then the turntables were just tired of the local garages ... fellow Everything is within the legal framework, gentlemen, democrats. hi
                1. Landwarrior
                  Landwarrior 1 March 2014 00: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: SkiF_RnD
                  Yes sir!

                  Russia holy observes international law! soldier
                  So do it! ... Although ..... No, put it aside! ( laughing wink )
    5. vadimN
      vadimN 28 February 2014 18: 54
      +1
      Right! Let them gather in one place ... So prisoners are easier to take ...
  2. kirqiz ssr
    kirqiz ssr 28 February 2014 17: 21
    +3
    Stalin returned to the territory that profiled Nikolai is a fact.
    1. xan
      xan 1 March 2014 01: 03
      0
      Quote: Kirqiz SSR
      Stalin returned to the territory that profiled Nikolai is a fact.

      Something I did not understand the conclusions from the article of the wise Wasserman.
      It’s better to show that I’m ready to fight than to fight.
      A chess rule for life - a threat is stronger and more useful than its execution.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 28 February 2014 17: 26
    +4
    One hundred percent that the Russo-Japanese war was provoked from the West.
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 28 February 2014 18: 14
      +4
      In our country, fools are saved up a hundred years in advance - Bezobrazov with Nikolasha - first Manchuria and Sakhalin were extradited, and then the whole country had to be returned to Stalin, but as the Leader died - the corn maize had scoured, the labeled Union collapsed - now it's time to collect stones. ..
  4. polly
    polly 28 February 2014 17: 55
    +1
    The last paragraph is "a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it", a key phrase? My average mind has not mastered all the historical parallels, I confess right away ... belay
    And perhaps only God knows about the "cunning designs of the leadership of the Russian Federation," but he won't tell us ...
    1. huut
      huut 28 February 2014 18: 30
      +4
      Quote: polly
      My average mind has not mastered all historical parallels

      Anatoly says that we are retreating for a long time in Ukraine, as is the case with the Japanese. Public opinion will not wait for a favorable moment (if such a moment is in the management’s plans), and will brand its rulers as losers and want to squeeze / remove them.
      He writes that we won, in fact, that war, for the Japanese army was terribly exhausted, but public opinion forced us to admit defeat.
      So he demands that the government take steps so that public opinion does not have time, in painful expectation, to force, as then, the country to defeat.

      Anatoly is silent about the other side of this issue - in addition to government steps, it is also worth strengthening public opinion. Well, he is also a man, he is also impatient.
      1. huut
        huut 28 February 2014 19: 04
        +1
        In general, it is strange to see such an far-fetched analogy from Wasserman. After all, then in the country there was a real West-liberal freemen, which allowed muddy water with impunity. Now these forces are seriously pressed, both by the authorities and by ordinary people. And waiting in politics is different from waiting in war - completely different terms, actions and risks.
        With the same success, in contrast to it, we can give an analogy with the retreat to the Second World War. The analogy will be as wrong as his, but with a plus sign. Then we, too, retreated, but then they gave it in such a way that it seemed to little. Something he did not like this analogy, and the Japanese came up.

        Demoralization depends not only on what moves the government makes, but also on what society observes them. In 1905 and 1941, societies were different, as were governments. The result is different. Now these sides are not similar to the previous ones, because its analogy is very doubtful.

        Everything rests on one thing - our "top" has a competent decision or not. And no one knows this, but everyone is impatient.
        1. matross
          matross 28 February 2014 19: 45
          0
          Quote: huut
          we can give an analogy with a retreat in the Second World War. The analogy will be as wrong as his, but with a plus sign. Then we, too, retreated, but then they gave it in such a way that it seemed to little.

          Well, the "price issue" was different - the existence of the country and the victory in the war on the far outskirts of the empire. Now, too, many in Russia perceive the events in Ukraine in the format "does not concern us." And when it touches everyone, as in 1917, it will be too late. If now the Russian leadership does not put things in order by ALL means, the disappointment of the people, its best part, will be enormous, possibly irreparable. A blow will be dealt to the foundations of the Russian statehood, to the belief in the just power of Russia. It will be bad ... very bad. Wasserman, as always, got the point.
          1. huut
            huut 28 February 2014 20: 03
            0
            Quote: matRoss
            Wasserman, as always, grasped the essence.

            I also want action, I also want victory on all counts and I think that this is very true of us)
            The principle of Wasserman is understandable to me, in principle, no. Usually it all matches ...
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        3. polly
          polly 28 February 2014 20: 08
          +1
          Thank you Andrey! Brevity is the soul of wit. good smile While I was writing your answer, you continued your thought, and I decided not to publish my lengthy opus. Now it is very precisely about the "far-fetched analogy from Wasserman" said. The idea is similar and I support. I do not expect quick decisions, I expect correct ones.
          1. matross
            matross 28 February 2014 20: 40
            0
            Quote: polly
            I do not wait for quick decisions, I wait for the right ones.

            Yes, we are all waiting for the "right" ones! Of course, from the presidency you know better how and what. The general's logic is unknown to the soldier, therefore the orders sometimes seem absurd. I just want our expectations not to be disappointed in the end, for any reason - they were afraid of the West, the oligarchs did not allow it, the liberals screwed up ... Well, the Wasserman analogies may seem appropriate to someone, to someone not, but their meaning is clear - everyone is waiting for action, not endless "we are monitoring the situation," ugh, disgusting expression!
        4. balyaba
          balyaba 28 February 2014 20: 29
          0
          Wisely here you have noticed everything. The only pity is that our "leaders" themselves do not know whether they have a competent solution. Such is the impression
  5. Vadim12
    Vadim12 28 February 2014 17: 58
    -6
    Theoretically, the Japs at the moment can destroy the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation with 2-3 volleys of PCR. Their fleet is the second largest in the world after the USA. Underestimating is always dangerous.
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 28 February 2014 18: 16
      +2
      Overestimate too. Do not compare the modern battle in the Pacific Theater with Tsushima.
  6. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 February 2014 17: 59
    +4
    Yanukovych called on Russia to act ..! Well, you used to be silent until you ran .. Badly says .. This is already a political corpse but legal under international law .. Ukrainians are not lucky for the leaders alas ..
    1. Konstantm
      Konstantm 28 February 2014 18: 13
      +2
      It is needed as a banner of the struggle against fascism and the restoration of democracy in the outlying lands of Russia.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 28 February 2014 18: 41
        +1
        Quote: KonstantM
        It is needed as a banner of the struggle against fascism and the restoration of democracy in the outlying lands of Russia.

        Like this:
      2. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 28 February 2014 18: 47
        0
        Quote: KonstantM
        It is needed as a banner of the struggle against fascism and the restoration of democracy in the outlying lands of Russia.

        Good flag request
      3. Ivan.
        Ivan. 28 February 2014 18: 52
        0
        Rather, like a hedgehog planted on a gay ass, he didn’t want to work as president; work as a hedgehog! lol
        It is not suitable for a banner, even footcloths from it are smelly.
        As a banner - INSERT PEOPLE RUSSIAN
        FOR A NICE BATTLE FOR A MORTAL BATTLE

    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 28 February 2014 18: 30
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Yanukovych called on Russia to act ..! Well, you used to be silent until you ran .. Badly says .. This is already a political corpse but legal under international law

      Well, the fact of the matter is that he is rightfully the president, this is our trump card for which we will always cling. After all, coupsmen also hope for a short memory of the people, so it is necessary for the people to not pay any attention to the permutations and everything that a new type of government says. Now Yanyk has spoken and I understand him, because not everyone is given the opportunity to go in such a fashion, if you turn things around before the victims of the tribunal Sadam and Miloshovich, then they committed crimes worse than that and, in fact, the tribunal turned out to be false.
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  7. psychologist
    psychologist 28 February 2014 18: 12
    +3
    while the plans of the Russian Federation seem to go according to plan !! may God grant political will to our leaders .... if that !!
  8. DS14
    DS14 28 February 2014 18: 21
    +3
    IGOR RASTERAYAEV:
    Remember the mysterious tactic:
    When we retreat, we are going forward!


  9. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 February 2014 18: 29
    +3
    Yanukovych would be FRIENDS normally with Russia, would not have had to read a press conference in Rostov. Threw, looped constantly, I was looking for all the benefits where better.
    Just like in the proverb about Borjomi ...
  10. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 February 2014 18: 37
    0
    Yanukovych has just finished his press conference - chewing grass.
    It is hard to believe that he is capable of anything else.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 28 February 2014 18: 44
      +1
      Your advice to Yanukovych and the people of Ukraine in general ??
      1. sssla
        sssla 28 February 2014 20: 34
        +2
        Quote: ZU-23
        Your advice to Yanukovych and the people of Ukraine in general ??

        Here they are, they can drink Toko and they can, but like a mess so to the Amer embassy
        1. ZU-23
          ZU-23 28 February 2014 21: 10
          +1
          Agas laughing . It’s not in vain that Yanyk rubs the skin near Putin, just when he disappeared, we naturally thought that he had thrown everyone and had no connection with Russia, and if he here means he was for the people and Ukraine, he really blamed the West for not being afraid, then he’ll be muddied it disappears with the West, but what can I say politics is a rotten business, but we are all lovers of fortune telling, but in fact we don’t know anything at all.
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      2. xan
        xan 1 March 2014 01: 13
        0
        Quote: ZU-23
        Your advice to Yanukovych and the people of Ukraine in general ??

        Yanuk by. And the people especially in the SE show their indifference.
        But my IMHO is this - if the maydanutye have not yet taken control of the security forces and cops of the SE, then they will finish the maidan quickly. It is already clear that none of the security forces of SE will not follow the orders of the new government. And the people of Vovan are already putting together pro-Ukrainian but adequate non-Nazi security forces into the organization. No one in Moscow hopes for popular demonstrations in the SE, it’s too serious a question.
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  11. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 February 2014 18: 52
    0
    I don’t know the people, and Vitya - LAW ON BORJOMI.
    All that could be allowed and profukat he had already done perfectly.
    1. wax
      wax 28 February 2014 23: 28
      0
      He has one last chance, for which the people of Ukraine will forgive him everything:
      apply, as the current President of Ukraine, to the leadership of the Russian Federation on the basis of the existing powers, the current Constitution of Ukraine and the UN Charter with a request for military assistance in restoring constitutional order in Ukraine.
      1. matross
        matross 28 February 2014 23: 40
        +1
        Putin will not allow him to do such a setup. Not for this all started. Not for the Russians to kill the Russians in Little Russia, for the war to sweep across Russia. Ukrainian chaos should discredit European integration and independence at the same time. The fruit must ripen.
  12. Neophyte
    Neophyte 28 February 2014 18: 57
    +1
    He could rally the southeast to fight, but discrediting the media, lethargy, as time shows, is futile.
    Ukraine needs to feel the absence of wages, pensions and
    social benefits. Then, we will see a popular rebellion.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 28 February 2014 20: 28
      +1
      Neofit is right, just few people are catching up that if Yanyk went for a serious shooting of scum, it would have been a civil war for a long time, and all these white Sashko wouldn’t scare but really kill, and no neighbor would help them, so the people would soon he will ask the bespredelshchikov, and then more people can go for Yanyka, because Yanyk is now a guarantee of the customs union and the people will not dream of Europe, I’m not talking for everyone, but you can figure it out for the bulk of the people. Now, in theory, many countries should express their positions on the legitimacy of the self-proclaimed authorities of Ukraine. We look now and pray that justice will triumph.
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  13. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 February 2014 19: 03
    +1
    God forbid to see him, the victims of the Maidan seem a trifle. There is no real leader now.
    Quote: Neophyte
    then we will see a popular rebellion.
  14. andrei332809
    andrei332809 28 February 2014 19: 08
    0
    Former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych during a press conference in Rostov-on-Don said that he was surprised by the lack of reaction from Vladimir Putin in connection with the current situation in Ukraine.

    about how. Ish, the navel of the earth. banderlog is bad, but yanuk is not better. silent would be better h
    1. sssla
      sssla 28 February 2014 20: 36
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      but Yanuc is no better. silent would be better h

      Are you a white puppy? If not, don’t need how to express them
  15. saag
    saag 28 February 2014 19: 09
    0
    Quote: Neophyte
    then we will see a popular rebellion.

    Sorry, who will rebel? and what did they do before that?
  16. maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 28 February 2014 20: 01
    -1
    Looked today bleating Janek. Completely shocked. I don’t understand why we gave shelter to the bastard who first threw the European Union, then Russia, then turned in his prime minister, and finally the guys from the golden eagle, who defended him from the Maidan for more than a month unarmed. A coward who is ready to sell himself to anyone and for anything in order to preserve his well-being has no support in any of the regions of Ukraine. For some he is a criminal, for others he is a coward and a traitor. Now this amoeba hopes for a "tough" reaction from Russia and is surprised at its absence. But the funny thing is that if this little man is given a chance to regain his position with the help of the EU or NATO, he will immediately throw Russia away and will cry already in Brussels. In addition to disgust, his shaking shiny cheeks do not cause. I do not understand why we should support this Judas hated by its own people?
    On the other hand, I want to appeal to the soldiers of the golden eagle. Guys, your actions, endurance and courage are admirable! You are the salt of the Ukrainian people. And you are worthy of power without bandits, oligarchs and traitors. I hope that the rest of the people will understand this.
    1. Power
      Power 1 March 2014 05: 12
      0
      This is at least six, but a trump suit, (legally elected president) Yes, and let our fifth column be enlightened, as our Western partners keep their word.
  17. mamba
    mamba 28 February 2014 20: 37
    0
    Quote: maxcor1974
    I don’t understand why we should support this Judas hated by our own people?

    And we do not support him. We need him as a legitimate president in exile, as a counterweight to the not legitimate Rada and the not legitimate government. Now he is under our control, away from the previous puppeteers. The degree of his safety will be proportional to the degree of his complaisance. And at the right time, he will erase any decision of the Russian leadership on the Ukrainian issue.
    Cynically? Yes, but that’s the policy. It’s my fault.
  18. homosum20
    homosum20 28 February 2014 21: 46
    +1
    Mr. Author Anatoly Wasserman wrote something very smart.
    I especially liked the phrase: "This is, perhaps, enough to assess the possible cunning plans of the leadership of the Russian Federation regarding the course of events in Ukraine and the possibilities of the Russian Federation's influence on these events."
    You can’t challenge her. First: who is enough?
    Secondly: And what, in fact, are the intentions. Maybe someone told Mr. Wasserman about this, but he did not say a word about this to us.
    Thirdly: And what, in fact, did Mr. Wasserman find in the Russo-Japanese War and the situation in Ukraine? starting with the fact that events occur at almost diametrically opposite points on the Earth. That the Japanese fleet fought with the Russian in that conflict, and with whom the Ukrainian fleet will fight, is not clear (well, not with the Japanese). That there were legitimate governments supported by the population on the part of Japan and Russia, and a government elected on the square can in no way be legal across the country, and it is certainly not supported by the population that Ukraine, unlike Japan, is completely bankrupt ...
    Yes, I'm tired of writing.
    Some kind of nonsense, not an article.
  19. Cristall
    Cristall 28 February 2014 23: 32
    +1
    somehow it does not fit.
    In general, if RI wanted to continue the war, the Yap budget would not have stood up and the United States was not ready to pay for that performance. Another thing is that the nuclear research was already exhausted, but RI didn’t want to ... I couldn’t explain why it was necessary to die there for distant badlands.
    1. Silvio
      Silvio 1 March 2014 06: 52
      0
      That's right. Capitalism killed in the late 19th century loyal sentiments among the people. The defeat in the OJ war was logical, as was the defeat in the WWI.
  20. chehywed
    chehywed 1 March 2014 05: 35
    0
    Quote: Author Anatoly Wasserman
    1905.01.02 Arthur, exhausted by the blockade and pretty much destroyed by siege weapons, capitulated.

    It was not Port Arthur who capitulated, but Stessel surrendered it to the Japanese. It is possible that he sold it ...
  21. Silvio
    Silvio 1 March 2014 06: 48
    0
    Quote: aksakal
    Maybe someone will enlighten this chekist about the "Volyn massacre of 1943"?

    The people of Israel have seen horrors and abruptly (they have never been translated in his country), and therefore he is not so impressionable. All the horrors stem from the incompetent rule of political individuals of the most ancient profession, such as the Kerensky, Gorbachevs, Akayevs, Yanukovychs ... They don’t know where they are leading the country. All the fault is filthy money.