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On the course of the liquidation of the Ukrainian state

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On the course of the liquidation of the Ukrainian state



In Ukraine, not even an armed coup d’état occurred, but a collapse of the state. It’s not just one “social-political group” that overthrew another, which was worse organized and less prepared for political struggle. If it were so, the Ukrainian statehood could continue to exist, changing only those in power and redistributing government posts and economic benefits between members and sponsors of the winning organized criminal group. But the armed coup is different from the coup and seizures of power that occur from time to time in many countries. Everything is much worse.

Ukraine is rapidly moving towards the status of a “failed state” (in Western terminology, a “Failed state”, countries where central governments cannot control the entire territory or have no legitimacy in the eyes of one of their essential parts). This part of the Russian (later Soviet) empire, despite the preservation of the formal status of a subject of international law, is likely to lose its statehood and present appearance, which has remained a little more than 20 of recent years. And with any of the possible scenarios.

Now the only way to avoid anarchy and civil war are elections to the Verkhovna Rada and presidential elections. To calm the radicals, they are scheduled for May. However, the likelihood of holding them - and even more so at least relatively fair conduct - is complicated by many circumstances.

At first, it is necessary to seek means for elections. The Ukrainian budget is empty, and elections can be held only if some external force agrees to pay them. The so-called opposition leaders, who are going to form a “government of national unity”, are already asking for money from Western countries in the person of the EU and the International Monetary Fund (read, USA). Actually, those who prepared and provoked a coup.

Most likely, some funds will be allocated. The representative of the European Parliament, Elmar Brock, expressed himself ambiguously, saying: "It seems to me that there will be 20 billion euros on the table." But even if Brock’s 20 of billions only seemed to be, securing his success is extremely important for Western countries. And the only way to consolidate the success of an armed coup would be to give the new government a legal status. So the election will be financed.

Whether the deliverance of Ukraine from an imminent default will be financed is a more complicated question. Neither the EU nor the IMF have “extra money”. But the financial collapse of Ukraine, if it happens before the elections, can lead to uncontrollable processes, which themselves can put a cross both in elections (conditional “democracy” that can legitimize the results of the armed coup) and in the unity of Ukraine.

However, the allocation of money on enslaving conditions (raising utility tariffs, domestic gas prices, making Ukraine’s chemical industry profitable, reducing government spending and social obligations to the population) —the IMF loan can give the very result of the election, which is counted by western countries. Therefore, before the May elections, Ukraine will be pulled out of the financial abyss, in theory, the European Union, which is already limited in funds, should be. And then - the new government will accept the enslaving conditions. If it will have the “correct orientation” towards the West, it will have nowhere to go.

Secondly, the power in Ukraine was overthrown not by Yatsenyuk's rabbit, Klitschko’s boxer, Yulia Tymoshenko’s not a “woman with a scythe”, and not even a Pygnybok, who began to play the role of the Fuhrer on the instructions of the SBU, but eventually got a taste. All these people are now going to form a "government of national unity." But in order to go to the Parliament, they present documents to activists of right-wing organizations. It was the latter who overthrew the previous government, and now it is very difficult to persuade them to stand aside.

Nationalists are hardly satisfied with the transfer of real power to those who have already been to this power many times, and now they would like to return to power on their shoulders. And we must understand that the loudly voiced idea of ​​lustration applies not only to representatives of the Party of Regions and the Communists. First of all, it will be turned against Yatsenyuk and Tymoshenko. Klitschko does not count. Boxer continues to delight the audience with his tongue-tied and in general no one takes it seriously. Yulia Tymoshenko, contrary to the legends about her wild popularity and the hypnotic impact on voters, has long been unable to convince anyone of her sincerity. In the near future, she is going to improve her health in Germany. Perhaps there she will receive informational and financial support. But it’s very difficult to regain the support of people by messing up with the Ukrainian authorities. Here, the nationalists, eliminating Tymoshenko from power, will in no way contradict the opinion of the majority of Ukrainians.

Exactly the same radicals who took power will not accept its separation with representatives of south-eastern Ukraine. They simply will not be allowed into power, even if elections are held. It doesn’t matter what: lustration, falsifications, criminal prosecution, physical elimination - everything fits. The power taken by force - no one will give up.

This must be understood by all who, like the head of the Kharkiv administration, Mikhail Dobkin, announce their participation in future elections. Dobkin’s decision to run as a “candidate from the South-East”, of course, channeled protest sentiments among the inhabitants of the South-East and prompts them not to resist the central government seized by the nationalists. Perhaps this will push the new phase of civil confrontation by several months. But hoping that those who have seized power by force will agree to share it without pressure from another force is very difficult.

Thirdly, at least in the Crimea, there will be no elections anymore. Power in Sevastopol and almost the entire peninsula passed into the hands of the Self-Defense Committee. In Kerch and Sevastopol, Ukrainian flags are lowered, Russian flags are raised instead. The people who gathered at the city council of Sevastopol actually forced the people's representatives to approve the head of the city Russian citizen Alexei Chaly. The new government and the formed self-defense companies are engaged in the transition of the Crimea to self-sufficiency and are preparing for defense. The Russian Black Sea Fleet is transferring its military units in the Crimea to an enhanced security regime.

In Odessa, on the Kulikovo Field, thousands of People’s Council were held. Despite the position of the governor and mayor of Odessa, who urged citizens to recognize the central Kiev authorities, Veche accepted an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to express a clear position of Russia regarding the situation in Ukraine. The participants chanted "Russia!" Also in the coming days Igor Markov, who is able to lead local resistance, may be released.

It should be said that the armed coup dramatically exacerbated all the contradictions that have accumulated in Ukraine for a short time of independence. And no election can eliminate these contradictions. Ukraine is already divided, and after the coup, both parts of it are harder to persuade to compromise. And since only a compromise between the two halves allowed to preserve the integrity of Ukraine - now its state unity is called into question.

We must not forget that the current coup in Ukraine was prepared, provoked and supported by Western countries. Attempts to quickly hold for signing documents on the association of the pre-default state with the EU at first glance looks strange. Signing these documents would destroy the economy of Ukraine. Non-signing could not but cause civil conflict. And the conflict itself began actively fueled and maintained. It looks completely illogical if we forget about the new strategic concept of NATO adopted in 2010, one of the main institutions that hold together the Western world. According to it, NATO is preparing for action only in those countries where it is required to "settle" the internal civil conflict. And as long as there is no such conflict, the NATO Joint Forces will not conduct combat operations and enter foreign territory. This means that while in Ukraine there was no open confrontation, it could not be the object of NATO action. And as it goes down to the status of a “failed state”, Ukraine potentially becomes an object for “crisis management”, which can be assumed by the Western armed forces.

Russia will still have to express its position on everything that is happening in Ukraine clearly. By silence and lack of support for the part of Ukraine that wants reunification, one can try to avoid civil conflict. The price of this will be the betrayal of those who believe in Russia and see their future with it. The price will be our common future.
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  1. Hs487
    Hs487 27 February 2014 09: 17
    +31
    In my opinion, the South Ossetian version could be ideal - declaring the eastern regions and Crimea to leave Ukraine with Russia's recognition of their independence, then, after some long time, inclusion in the Russian Federation.
    NATO’s opinion on territorial integrity is sideways, for they themselves set a precedent in Kosovo. Again, the presence of territorial claims will be a formal reason for refusing to accept the remaining Ukraine into NATO.
    1. GDP
      GDP 27 February 2014 11: 47
      +8
      In order for this scenario to be realized, at least the tacit support of Russia is needed, the support of public organizations of the same Russian Cossacks, for example, or youth organizations. We need Leaders who could organize all this ...
      So far, none of this has been observed ...
      Our Cossacks, whom God himself commanded, get on buses and go to Ukraine so far only leads slurred conversations.
      Nowhere is a fundraiser organized to help eastern Ukraine.
      There is no tough, clear government stance on the new anti-Russian laws.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 27 February 2014 12: 32
        +6
        Quote: GDP
        In order for this scenario to be realized

        Quote: Hs487
        could become a South Ossetian option

        What the fuck ... scenarios ?!
        The solution is one, namely:
        If the fascist muzzles from the western regions supported from the mattress and geyrops gain the upper hand, they will be cut off like the gangrene of the failed Okrainian state at the gift of Stalin.
        This is not Yugoslavia, which was cut up and down and continues to rape.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 27 February 2014 13: 06
          +7
          hi
          Surprising leaders of Ukraine of all ranks! Well, what could be easier is to declare a referendum on the association with the EU or the CU and on the federal or unitary state system of Ukraine. Let the people, about whom the Fuhrer of all stripes are baked, choose the path of development of their country ...
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 27 February 2014 14: 32
            +2
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            declare a referendum on association with the EU or the CU and the federal or unitary state system of Ukraine. Let the people, about which the Fuhrer of all stripes are baked, choose the path of development of their country themselves ..

            Do you apparently sincerely believe in democracy and the values ​​it carries?
            The true choice of the people can only be at a general gathering of everyone, from small to large. And by way of some (for) to the left and others (against) to the right, the true choice of the PEOPLE can be decided by a simple majority, and not by shuffling pieces of paper in ballot boxes.
          2. Sandov
            Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 26
            +1
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            hi
            Surprising leaders of Ukraine of all ranks! Well, what could be easier is to declare a referendum on the association with the EU or the CU and on the federal or unitary state system of Ukraine. Let the people, about whom the Fuhrer of all stripes are baked, choose the path of development of their country ...

            In the current situation, this is unlikely to happen. Banderlog and the west will not allow.
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 27 February 2014 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            Surprising leaders of Ukraine of all ranks! Well, what could be easier is to declare a referendum on the association with the EU or the CU and on the federal or unitary state system of Ukraine. Let the people, about which the Fuhrer of all stripes are baked, choose the path of development of their country themselves ..

            Not so simple as it seems. And if the people say NO? So all the dreams of a foreign future fail? They will have to return the advance from the Americans, close their accounts with European banks, and return the children to study from London to Kiev.
            In recent years, $ 5 billion has been invested by Americans in Ukraine on the development of democracy - read bribing officials, brainwashing people, buying newspapers and television, organizing speeches and direct funding for UNA-UNSO
            Not so simple
        2. Slavapom
          Slavapom 27 February 2014 14: 08
          +2
          but I’m wondering when people will get tired of copy-paste one and the same message from a topic to a topic, or have your brains completely atrophied?
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 27 February 2014 12: 40
        +4
        Anyway, Russia will have to express its position regarding everything that is happening in Ukraine clearly. By silence and lack of support for the part of Ukraine that wants reunification, one can try to avoid a civil conflict. The price will be betrayal


        Putin's silence is dragging on. Russia cannot be silent.
        If the supreme power of Russia does not provide assistance to the Russian people in Ukraine, it will continue to continue the policy of "non-interference", which Lavrov, Putin and Medvedev inform about, this will be a betrayal of the entire Russian people, the Russian world.
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 27 February 2014 19: 53
          0
          Che wait for guidance - help yourself. Look in the Rostov region are already preparing for a possible reception of refugees. They offer political asylum to employees of the Golden Eagle. people from the Rostov region go to Lugansk to support their neighbors. True, it’s still quiet. Cossacks are going to go to the Crimea from the Volga. nothing to wait for the authorities to say. We must act ourselves.
    2. alex13-61
      alex13-61 27 February 2014 11: 50
      +4
      Today, at about 5 am in Kiev, unknown armed people captured the Parliament and the Cabinet of Ministers of Crimea ... Russian flags were posted ...
      Negotiations will begin at 9 (11 Moscow time) ...
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      2. apostol88
        apostol88 27 February 2014 11: 54
        .
        Nor any negotiations Terrorists destroy !!! Drop the bomb and the whole business !!! am
        1. matross
          matross 27 February 2014 12: 14
          +9
          Quote: apostol88
          Destroy the terrorists !!! Drop the bomb and the whole business !!!

          Yeah! To Kiev! They are there now doh.ra! You’ll not be from the maydauns?
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          2. apostol88
            apostol88 27 February 2014 12: 17
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            Imagine no! But this is separatism and it needs to be strangled and Russia should not talk about not allowing Chechnya to have it! am
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 27 February 2014 13: 48
              +9
              Quote: apostol88
              But this is separatism and it needs to be strangled and Russia should not talk about not allowing Chechnya to have it!

              What a delusional comparison, when there was Chechnya, in Russia we had the legal power elected by the people. When in Ukraine there was legitimate authority, Crimea humbly obeyed, and now in Ukraine there is no legitimate authority in general, there are only militant fascists who hate Russians who are the majority in Crimea, and what do you propose to Crimea in this situation?
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 30
              +1
              Quote: apostol88
              Imagine no! But this is separatism and it needs to be strangled and Russia should not talk about not allowing Chechnya to have it! am

              Separatists and fascists on the maydaun in Kiev.
        2. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 27 February 2014 12: 18
          0
          Who are the terrorists, excuse me?
          1. apostol88
            apostol88 27 February 2014 12: 21
            .
            Today, around 5 am in Kiev, unknown armed people captured the Parliament and the Cabinet of Ministers of Crimea ... Russian flags posted angry
            1. svp67
              svp67 27 February 2014 13: 34
              +8
              Quote: apostol88
              Today, around 5 am in Kiev, unknown armed people captured the Parliament and the Cabinet of Ministers of Crimea ... Russian flags posted
              And you keep making a "mess" there, soon the Soviet ones will appear ...
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            3. matross
              matross 27 February 2014 16: 11
              +5
              Quote: apostol88
              unknown armed people captured the Parliament and Cabinet of Crimea.

              Yes, most of your country has been seized by "unknown armed men"! Get out of the house and free it up! Or did the Russians infuriate the flags? So you will soon have them everywhere, get used to it. Under your own, you have already prospered the whole Ukraine, there is nowhere else to go! Europeans are awful!
            4. Sandov
              Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 32
              +2
              Quote: apostol88
              Today, around 5 am in Kiev, unknown armed people captured the Parliament and the Cabinet of Ministers of Crimea ... Russian flags posted angry

              Thank God the people woke up. There is faith in people and in their sanity.
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        3. Danash I
          Danash I 27 February 2014 12: 34
          +2
          Semolina in a nearby store. You there.
        4. svp67
          svp67 27 February 2014 12: 36
          +4
          Quote: apostol88
          Nor any negotiations Terrorists destroy !!! Drop the bomb and the whole business !!!
          A response on the Kiev Maidan are not afraid?
        5. OLGRIN
          OLGRIN 27 February 2014 15: 47
          +5
          Well, types!
          So one side can shout on the Maidan "We want to join the EU" (for free), and the other side cannot want to go to Russia, give them a bomb (in your mind, baby?). What is democracy?
          Threat. Germany after the failure itself was recovering and did not ask for money and help from Ukraine, they would die of shame. And you beg. Think!
          What is going on with the world, watching the news is bitter and disgusting.
        6. alex13-61
          alex13-61 27 February 2014 18: 05
          +2
          Quote: apostol88
          Destroy the terrorists !!!

          Last year it was necessary to start ... on Mandan
        7. Sandov
          Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 29
          0
          Quote: apostol88
          Nor any negotiations Terrorists destroy !!! Drop the bomb and the whole business !!! am

          Terrorists in Kiev, and here people are fighting for justice. God help them and Russia.
      3. Denis
        Denis 27 February 2014 12: 13
        +5
        Quote: alex13-61
        Today, at about 5 am in Kiev, unknown armed people captured the Parliament and the Cabinet of Ministers of Crimea ... Russian flags were posted ...
        Negotiations will begin at 9 (11 Moscow time) ...

        Unknowns broke into the buildings, removed security and raised Russian flags. A barricade was erected in front of the Crimean parliament.

        Moscow. February 27. INTERFAX.RU - The buildings of the Crimean Parliament and Council of Ministers in Simferopol were seized by unknown people on Thursday night, chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Refat Chubarov said on his Facebook page.

        "They called 20 minutes ago ... They said that the buildings of the Supreme Rada of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of Crimea are occupied by armed men in uniforms without identification marks. Requirements have not yet been set by them ..." - wrote Chubarov.

        This information was confirmed to Interfax by an employee of the press center of the Crimean parliament. According to him, all employees of the Verkhovna Rada of Crimea were given a day off today.

        As the correspondent of "Interfax" reports, now Russian flags are raised over both buildings.

        A barricade of improvised items (wooden pallets, garbage cans, and so on) was erected in front of the parliament building. The building is cordoned off by the police, but so far not tight enough. At the same time, more law enforcement officers concentrated near the building of the Crimean Council of Ministers. Police do not allow people to pass near the building.

        Last night, clashes between supporters of the annexation of Crimea to Russia and supporters of the new Ukrainian authorities took place near the walls of the Crimean parliament. During the clashes between the opposing forces, about 30 people were injured, of which six were hospitalized. Also officially confirmed the death of one person, previously, from a heart attack.

        Earlier on Wednesday, the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov urged the Crimean Tatars not to escalate the situation and announced his readiness to protect the rights of the Crimean population.

        "Ukraine and Russia, we are fraternal peoples, I have many friends of Ukrainians, I love them all and I regret what is happening there in recent days. <...> Today, most of the Russians, Cossacks live there in Crimea. We are always with them and if necessary, we will come to the rescue and will not give offense to the Russians, the Cossacks, and the Chechens, wherever they live, "Kadyrov said.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 27 February 2014 12: 25
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Earlier on Wednesday, the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov urged the Crimean Tatars not to escalate the situation and announced his readiness to protect the rights of the Crimean population.

          "Ukraine and Russia, we are fraternal peoples, I have many friends of Ukrainians, I love them all and I regret what is happening there in recent days. <...> Today, most of the Russians, Cossacks live there in Crimea. We are always with them and if necessary, we will come to the rescue and will not give offense to the Russians, the Cossacks, and the Chechens, wherever they live, "Kadyrov said.

          This is Ramzanka, it doesn’t burn like a kid. Were the Chechens with the Cossacks? Yeah, especially in the 90s in Chechnya. But "Vostok" may find work.
        2. apostol88
          apostol88 27 February 2014 12: 25
          .
          "We will come to the rescue and we will not give offense to the Russians, Cossacks, and Chechens, wherever they live," Kadyrov said.
          A man declared who in 1 Chechen cut off the heads of Russian soldiers! am
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 February 2014 13: 00
            +12
            Quote: apostol88
            A man declared who in 1 Chechen cut off the heads of Russian soldiers!

            And how many millions of Ukrainians were killed and sold by the Crimean Tatars into slavery? And nothing, now you seem to consider them allies ... By the way, you previously considered them, even when they had to give up the territory of Ukraine and the people living there for plunder ...
          2. rolik
            rolik 27 February 2014 13: 09
            +9
            Quote: apostol88
            A man declared who in 1 Chechen cut off the heads of Russian soldiers!

            But what about the Ukrainian lads who fought in Chechnya and Georgia against our guys ????? And now they freely walk around with machine guns and say how deputies should behave.
          3. Magadan
            Magadan 27 February 2014 13: 24
            +14
            With these presentations to EBNu. If you wish, you can bleed anyone with anyone.
            Just not for you, who are for Hitler-Bandera, to present something there to Ramzan.
            And it is not necessary to say that "the Natsiks are a minority there" and that "we are not under them, but just next to them."

            YOU SUPPORTED THE NAZIS, WHICH YOUR AND OUR GRANDFATES AND GRANDMOTHES WERE BOTTLE FOR SLAUGHTER IN BABY YAR VELI. YOU WERE WITH THEM IN ONE LINE. DOT.
            1. Skif
              Skif 27 February 2014 16: 14
              -1
              Who would say, but not you. Sit in the states and care about Ukraine? Not even funny. After all, from your native Wall Street ears stick out of that mess that in Ukraine, in Venezuela, Thailand, etc. ... Patriot, damn it
          4. Sandov
            Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 36
            +1
            Quote: apostol88
            "We will come to the rescue and we will not give offense to the Russians, Cossacks, and Chechens, wherever they live," Kadyrov said.
            A man declared who in 1 Chechen cut off the heads of Russian soldiers! am

            There by the way and banderlog lit up. Well-known fact.
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    3. SHILO
      SHILO 27 February 2014 11: 51
      +14
      Quote: Hs487
      The ideal, in my opinion, could be the South Ossetian version - the declaration by the eastern regions and Crimea of ​​leaving Ukraine with Russia's recognition of their independence,


      I agree. But ... in contrast to the Crimea, where "Russian Unity" is engaged in self-defense, in the same Donetsk, Kharkov, the impotent "Eastern Front" assembled under the auspices of renegades from the PR is trying to hum. And with these "comrades" the direct road to the stage to the fascists is to kneel. Therefore, the option with South Ossetia only shines in the Crimea.
      1. avt
        avt 27 February 2014 12: 10
        +3
        Quote: SHILO
        But ... in contrast to the Crimea, where "Russian Unity" is engaged in self-defense, in the same Donetsk, Kharkov, the impotent "Eastern Front" assembled under the auspices of renegades from the PR is trying to hum. And with these "comrades" the direct road to the stage to the fascists is to kneel

        Already set !!! Huber merged from the post on the pretext of presidential elections. Officially merged !!! In the administration building of the maydaunas, appoint ANYONE who sits as governor in the office of maydaunas from Kiev through special communications. Until now, electricity, water supply with sewage and the Internet with communication have not been disconnected there !!! amYes Fuck, started drunk - immediately did it in 93m! This is a direct betrayal of the gawnyuk from the Ssynukovich Party of Regions! Let them both go to Kiev, within the framework of the election campaign, to put their promises on all the places of St. George’s ribbons to Bandera’s and push Bender’s posters in their asses, which, according to their orders, Bender’s turn off will be !!! am
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 27 February 2014 12: 36
        +8
        Even if you start from the Crimea (joining it to Russia according to the Kuchuk-Kaynagir world already from the 18 century, but not canceled (!!!)) then this:
        1) It will provide an incentive for other southeastern regions ("Russia has not quit!" - as it looks now)
        2) Instantly gives an economic and political gain in conversations with Kiev (it will show decisiveness when Bandera's attempts to spread rot on Russians) and NATO's strategic peninsula in the Black Sea. + the possibility of laying the South Stream through the Crimea, which is several times cheaper than through the hydrogen sulfide layers of the Black Sea
        3) Any problems with the deployment of the Black Sea Fleet disappear, and even in a dowry several ports on the Black Sea, except Novorossiysk, and the problem of the Kerch Strait is annulled ...
        Well, etc. etc. Again, 2 million citizens will not be a burden to the budget of the Russian Federation ... And the resorts of the South Coast ?!
      3. rolik
        rolik 27 February 2014 15: 09
        +3
        Quote: SHILO
        trying to hum the impotent "Eastern Front"

        I hope Russia will not be blamed for being impotent and worthless ????
    4. Clegg
      Clegg 27 February 2014 12: 20
      -3
      Quote: Hs487
      NATO’s opinion on territorial integrity is sideways, for they themselves set a precedent in Kosovo

      Kosovo is different from the situation in Georgia
      1. avt
        avt 27 February 2014 12: 35
        +6
        Quote: Clegg
        Kosovo is different from the situation in Georgia

        Yeah? laughing What is this? So that there .. general people - bearers of human rights "were marked by" humanitarian bombing ", and in South Ossetia -" evil Russian impertsy "?
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 27 February 2014 13: 04
          -7
          Quote: avt
          Yeah? laughing This is what?

          The United Nations International Court of Justice in The Hague issued a conclusion that Kosovo’s independence does not contradict international law.

          I have not heard such a conclusion regarding the two rebellious Georgian territories.

          Quote: avt
          No, well, it’s clear that in your eyes, the arrogant Saxons have complete indulgence in any of their actions.

          laughing well it is not
          1. SkiF_RnD
            SkiF_RnD 27 February 2014 13: 44
            +4
            The UN International Court in The Hague read the Americans. You said the same thing as your opponent, only in other words. That is, yes, precedents differ in that we supported Ossetia.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 27 February 2014 14: 05
              -1
              Quote: SkiF_RnD
              The UN International Court in The Hague read the Americans.

              Why do international organizations rule the Americans, not say the Russians?

              By the way, I am against recognition of the independence of Kosovo and I agree with our Foreign Ministry.
              1. SkiF_RnD
                SkiF_RnD 27 February 2014 14: 43
                +4
                Why do international organizations rule the Americans, not say the Russians?


                Because the Americans won in 1991. I am surprised by people who think that events in the world are subject, first of all, to legal norms. Wake up, what are the norms, what are the courts. Show me at least one crisis or war proceeding according to international standards. The UN resolution was adopted, not the mattresses on the drum. It's just a game, a game "for the public", that is, for the population. The interests of states are given "legitimacy" to the extent possible. The law remains the same - whoever is stronger is right. After 1991 and to this day, the Americans are stronger. Our goal is to change.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 27 February 2014 15: 00
                  -2
                  Quote: SkiF_RnD
                  Because the Americans won in 1991. I am surprised by people who think that events in the world are subject, first of all, to legal norms. Wake up, what are the norms, what are the courts. Show me at least one crisis or war proceeding according to international standards. The UN resolution was adopted, not the mattresses on the drum. It's just a game, a game "for the public", that is, for the population. The interests of states are given "legitimacy" to the extent possible. The law remains the same - whoever is stronger is right. After 1991 and to this day, the Americans are stronger. Our goal is to change.

                  So about the same, stop telling tales about double standards. If there were opportunities, you would definitely do that. And, the whole local anti-Americanism is that you want to be in the place of AMERICANS RUSSIAN.

                  Right or wrong?
                  1. xan
                    xan 27 February 2014 16: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Clegg
                    So about the same, stop telling tales about double standards. If there were opportunities, you would definitely do that. And, the whole local anti-Americanism is that you want to be in the place of AMERICANS RUSSIAN.

                    Right or wrong?

                    You probably want to know how we Russians differ from Americans?
                    At least by the fact that they did not destroy the indigenous peoples in the annexed lands, like the Americans.
                    And about double standards - give an example of double standards on the part of Russia, balabol boy
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 27 February 2014 17: 01
                      -3
                      Quote: xan
                      At least by the fact that they didn’t destroy indigenous peoples in the annexed lands,

                      Come on tell tales to others, will you essentially answer or not?
                  2. Sandov
                    Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: Clegg
                    So about the same, stop telling tales about double standards. If there were opportunities, you would definitely do that. And, the whole local anti-Americanism is that you want to be in the place of AMERICANS RUSSIAN.

                    Right or wrong?

                    What is the matter and Russia has never been seen in this deceitful and Jesuit policy of the Angles with amers.
                  3. SkiF_RnD
                    SkiF_RnD 27 February 2014 19: 32
                    +2
                    So about the same, stop telling tales about double standards. If there were opportunities, you would definitely do that. And, the whole local anti-Americanism is that you want to be in the place of AMERICANS RUSSIAN.

                    Right or wrong?


                    We will never be in the place of the Americans. I know your position. Russian fascists, poor Kazakhs exterminated and all that. Tell this nonsense at home. Russia must be the leading force in the world. This is what I am talking about. Spare me cheap provocations. Being stronger and doing what our worst enemy does is two big differences.
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 27 February 2014 21: 23
                      -2
                      Quote: SkiF_RnD
                      Spare me cheap provocations.

                      What provocations? laughing
                      1. SkiF_RnD
                        SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 16: 23
                        0
                        What provocations?


                        . If you could, you would have done exactly that.


                        Here are those.
          2. Sandov
            Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            The United Nations International Court of Justice in The Hague issued a conclusion that Kosovo’s independence does not contradict international law.

            Master of your hand, manipulate the minds of people, these cattle are great masters.
      2. Hs487
        Hs487 27 February 2014 12: 56
        +5
        Quote: Clegg
        Kosovo is different from the situation in Georgia

        Of course, unlike Albanians, Ossetians are the indigenous people of their country.
    5. Danash I
      Danash I 27 February 2014 12: 31
      +2
      they themselves set a precedent in Kosovo
      But they created for themselves, for themselves. For them, double standards are an ordinary thing, like a prostitute sex as a client. And Russia is not a client, does not roll such a thing. And howl will start, plus the pressure on finances abroad, that is, for them, examples are darkness . And the phones will ring on time and no, not letting you sleep, eat, etc. Yes, not with us, voters, the FAVORITES,

      We need a political will. To push Nato away from the threshold is tempting. Perspective. We are waiting.
    6. Sandov
      Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 24
      0
      Veche adopted an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to express a clear position of Russia regarding the situation in Ukraine. The audience chanted "Russia!" Also, in the coming days, Igor Markov, who is able to lead the local resistance, may be released.
      A difficult decision for the authorities, but so necessary for a simple people.
    7. _Forgiven_
      _Forgiven_ 27 February 2014 22: 37
      +2
      I agree with you completely and completely !!!! Southeast Ukraine is not on the same track with the Nazis and the mentally retarded. I myself am from the East of Ukraine and sometimes I don’t understand why people are not mobilized like Sevastopol residents. One thought so far comes to mind - people are silent until the first mass visit of militants with a swastika. Well, there already hold on if they arrive!
  2. Name
    Name 27 February 2014 10: 46
    +2
    "Russia will still have to express its position ...- Of course, the STRATEGY of relations has already been built, there is no need to doubt, and the eternal confrontation between America and Russia will begin (the EU does not count). And the sudden "alarm" of the Western and Central VOs in response to the statement of the head of NATO speaks for this:NATO respects Ukraine's sovereign choice. We will hold discussions with our Ukrainian partners in the framework of the NATO-Ukraine Commission. Ukraine is a close partner of NATO, NATO is a sincere partner of Ukraine. We are ready to support Ukraine in its democratic reforms "... belay recourse

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140226/997136813.html#ixzz2uVD2ESEXTO:
    1. Evil rabbit
      Evil rabbit 27 February 2014 11: 45
      0
      In the meantime, we listen to the deafening silence of the Russian leadership ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 February 2014 12: 01
        +4
        Quote: Angry Rabbit
        In the meantime, listening to deafening silence Russian leadership.

        Why do you think the peacekeeping forces raised what function they perform?



        1. nnz226
          nnz226 27 February 2014 12: 40
          -1
          Well, according to TV news, the troops during this check are for some reason redeployed to the St. Petersburg region, and not to Belgorod ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 27 February 2014 12: 47
            -1
            Quote: nnz226
            ... for some reason, the troops during this check are redeployed to the St. Petersburg region, and not to Belgorod ...

            The usual desa, maybe a couple of battalions were sent there.
          2. Realist58
            Realist58 27 February 2014 15: 45
            +3
            And, since there was such a "booze", we decided to drop into the SStonia so as not to skate twice.
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      3. Corsair
        Corsair 27 February 2014 12: 41
        +6
        Quote: Angry Rabbit
        In the meantime, we listen to the deafening silence of the Russian leadership ..

        Confident silence is many times more useful than thoughtless rhetoric ...
        Silence, or rather a clear-cut pause, as you just noticed, is DEBATING at opponents ...
      4. RBLip
        RBLip 27 February 2014 12: 48
        +3
        Quote: Angry Rabbit
        In the meantime, we listen to the deafening silence of the Russian leadership ...

        MOSCOW, Feb 26 - RIA News. A sudden check of the combat readiness of troops in the west and in the center of Russia has nothing to do with the events in Ukraine, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Wednesday.
        Part of the Black Sea Fleet checkpoint reinforced in case of provocations
        "By and large, these exercises have nothing to do with the events in Ukraine. This is a test in which several exercises are immersed. It has nothing to do with the events in Ukraine. It will take place near the borders of Russia," the minister told reporters in Moscow.
        According to him, the main task of the exercises is to check the combat readiness of the troops.
        Shoigu said that more than 150 thousand military personnel, 90 aircraft, more than 120 helicopters, up to 870 tanks, more than 1,2 thousand units of military equipment, as well as up to 80 ships and ships, will be involved in these exercises.
        At the same time, the Minister emphasized that each tank will fire live ammunition, aviation will carry out combat sorties, a mass landing of helicopter landing will take place.
        To fulfill the instructions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation, 80 officers of the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense departed for the troops.
        By order of the president, unscheduled exercises were held on Wednesday in the Western and Central military districts, as well as a number of military branches. The first in two decades, sudden checks of the combat readiness of the Russian Armed Forces took place last year and revealed a number of shortcomings in the army. In this regard, the army leadership decided to continue this practice in 2014.

        and of course this has absolutely no relation to the events in Ukraine ... wink
  3. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 27 February 2014 11: 32
    +22
    How sad. It seemed that the inhabitants of Ukraine were even a little smarter than the Arabs, but it turned out the opposite.
    In Soviet times, we lived richly not just in the non-Chernozem region, and the monuments to Lenin are now crushed from marble, but from our place they are made from concrete.
    1. Mejin
      Mejin 27 February 2014 11: 59
      -1
      They ruled smart, and we have grabbers.
    2. smile
      smile 27 February 2014 12: 24
      +9
      Dmitry 2246
      For centuries, Arabs have established states that have proved the right to life for thousands of years of existence. Ukraine is a never-existing artificial state. Synthet is kind of. Ukrainians are part of the Russian people, isolated in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Quasi-statehood provided to the Ukrainian part of the Russian people - that’s the whole story. Fascist experiments and miserable outbursts of the Natsik, insinuated by the Austro-Hungarian General Staff - do not count.
      The leadership of Ukraine, seeking to cultivate an independent spirit in the population, contributed to the spread of fascism, contributed to the emergence of antagonism between the two halves of the population. The two halves will never agree. A leader who suits both sides will never come to power. Independents played out - they slaughtered Ukrainian statehood on Maydown. How long the agony of Ukrainian statehood will last, I do not know, but that. that she will give ends - inevitability.
    3. skeptic
      skeptic 27 February 2014 12: 40
      +7
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      How sad. It seemed that the inhabitants of Ukraine were even a little smarter than the Arabs, but it turned out the opposite.
      In Soviet times, we lived richly not just in the non-Chernozem region, and the monuments to Lenin are now crushed from marble, but from our place they are made from concrete.


      The fact of the matter is that in the USSR the outskirts were supplied more generously, at the expense of Russia itself. This gave rise to unnecessary ambition. In particular, the Ukrainians had a feeling of their exclusivity (especially after driving through the regions of Russia itself that had been robbed for them). Yes, it is this that gave rise to their thoughts about the "slave" psychology of the Russians and as far as they will be, it is even better to live independently. Like a spoiled child, even growing up, living separately, they continue to wait for all the old blessings, for free. When parents tell them that, in the end, they need to have a conscience, parents seem to be the most fierce enemies, a priori.
      It is only natural that when a spoiled child has adult problems, they will blame their parents for all mortal sins. BUT the most interesting is that if caring parents get into family disputes of their adult spoils, they will be guilty, from all sides. And often the warring parties come together, already against their parents trying to reconcile them. With all the ensuing consequences.

      Understand dear Ukrainians that Russia itself is under a similar threat, even more complex (BECAUSE WE HAVE NO ONE TO ASK FOR ANYTHING FOR ANYONE). And your mess has been twisted by our common enemies. West, as an insidious sniper shot one fighter, waiting for the exit to the rescue of the main victim.
      By analogy, we can cover with fire, but you have to get out from under the line of fire yourself. The reverse situation is fraught with our common death.
  4. Sma11
    Sma11 27 February 2014 11: 34
    +10
    Stranger and weirder! More wonderful and wonderful! Everything is more curious and curious! .. (Lewis Carroll. Alice in Wonderland)
    1. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 27 February 2014 13: 50
      +1
      I won’t understand how this Lewis could mock our language like that if he didn’t speak it? laughing A strange translation, to put it mildly (despite the fact that the quote is accurate)
  5. Altona
    Altona 27 February 2014 11: 45
    +7
    Even while standing on the Maidan against Yanukovych they already wrote and talked ... I wrote, at least ... Now, despite all the cries for help, from which side they would not be heard, the situation is unequivocal - dumb with our stakeholders, so Ukraine is still a jar with spiders ... Nobody wants to either go there or throw food ...
    1. smile
      smile 27 February 2014 12: 28
      +3
      Altona
      That's right, here's a girl with a scythe and a scythe and decided to wait until the spiders eat each other, show their inability to lead Ukraine - or rather, its core, and then enter into a fight ... all in white - against their background. Well, she’s not the right person to eliminate herself.
  6. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 27 February 2014 11: 45
    +3
    The price will be the betrayal of those who believe in Russia. - It will be very embarrassing if our authorities simply keep silent and let everything go by itself ... It would be necessary to protect the Russian-speaking population ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 27 February 2014 12: 03
      +5
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      The price will be the betrayal of those who believe in Russia. - It will be very embarrassing if our authorities simply keep silent and let everything go by itself ... It would be necessary to protect the Russian-speaking population ...


      They are waiting ... but the answer will be sure, I think in words "diplomatically" we are for the preservation of the integrity of Ukraine, but in reality I think actions on the partition of Ukraine are being considered and prepared. There are analogies with the 39th year in Poland.
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 27 February 2014 13: 42
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        Are waiting
        - I also think so, Putin is smart, does not scream about his plans ...
  7. Eugeniy_369k
    Eugeniy_369k 27 February 2014 11: 46
    +11
    Sevastopol, Odessa, Yalta, Kharkov ...but Hello?
    1. Val_y
      Val_y 27 February 2014 12: 16
      +3
      So hold on hi ours with your brush
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 27 February 2014 12: 26
      +3
      Quote: Eugeniy_369k
      Sevastopol, Odessa, Yalta, Kharkov ... however hello?

      Rather: Welcome back !!!
  8. AVV
    AVV 27 February 2014 11: 47
    +6
    Russia gives a signal to the West and NATO, including that it will not allow the Serbian version of the development of events and let these ur.ods from the alliance not even deceive themselves !!! let them sort it out first at home, where there are a lot of such processes, Ireland, such as Basques, and other territories where there is something for Europe to do !!! But don’t stick your nose here, otherwise we’ll pinch !!!
  9. Navy7981
    Navy7981 27 February 2014 11: 51
    +3
    "... ready to support Ukraine in its democratic reforms"
    I was afraid of democracy before, but now I am in horror. It began to seem to me that even Nazism compared to modern democracy is a cry for children on the lawn. And this is not humor.
  10. morpogr
    morpogr 27 February 2014 11: 54
    +3
    They only realized that the Soviet regime was over? And here Lenin. People wake up, time does not work for you, but against a little more, there will be no country. The principalities of Kiev, Chernihiv, Volyn, etc. will appear again.
    1. smile
      smile 27 February 2014 12: 37
      +3
      morpogr
      No principalities will appear. There is a chance that historical justice will prevail and that part of the Ukrainian people artificially separated from us will reunite with us. At the same time, unfortunately. we get the fifth column in the form of the Crimean Tatars and partly furious for the 25th quarter of a century of propaganda of the independence of the young generation.
      But the Tatars are really a time bomb - under the pitiful Ukrainian authorities, the bottom had a chance to chop off the Crimea, now - it won’t .... as if they didn’t shoot - Russophobia was cultivated among the bottom, as well as among the Zapadentsev.
  11. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 27 February 2014 11: 55
    +3
    Well, and that the liquidation is in full swing, the Bandera and Galician people seem to have finally achieved what they have been going for the last 60 years and do not intend to give ...
    Kiev.

    However, the province is not far behind ...

    I remember how many yells and indignation there were from the Ukrainians when last summer this video appeared on the network: "This can not be, because it can never be. Ukraine is not Russia ...", but the events in Ukraine turned out to be seven-league. steps are going exactly to such a scenario ...
  12. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 27 February 2014 11: 56
    +6
    There is no need for any panic about the inaction of the Russian authorities in Ukraine. Our authorities have done a lot for the people of Ukraine, but we are still M-o-s-k-a-l-and stranglers of Nenki. You just need to forget about Ukraine for 2-3 years and remember only about the Russians in this territory and help only them in a targeted way. Let Ukraine sip maydaunky and Bandera shit to the very tonsils and this will be the best agitation for Russia. I thought about the current situation around Ukraine for a long time, read Russian and Ukrainian portals and forums and came to the paradoxical conclusion that the worse Ukraine is, the better for us- in the near future, why wrote vyshe.Prechina mentality-Ukrainian (himself a quarter) will not try, will not feel the word will not believe. So you need to give a touch and especially give a try to the "new" life under the "Bandera Shobla" and the EU FTA.
    1. BIC
      BIC 27 February 2014 17: 46
      +1
      Andrey 447 RU Today, 11:56 AM New
      There is no need for any panic about the inaction of the Russian authorities in Ukraine. Our authorities have done a lot for the people of Ukraine, but we are still M-o-s-k-a-l-and stranglers of Nenki. You just need to forget about Ukraine for 2-3 years and remember only about the Russians in this territory and help only them in a targeted way. Let Ukraine sip maydaunky and Bandera shit to the very tonsils and this will be the best agitation for Russia. I thought about the current situation around Ukraine for a long time, read Russian and Ukrainian portals and forums and came to the paradoxical conclusion that the worse Ukraine is, the better for us- in the near future, why wrote vyshe.Prechina mentality-Ukrainian (himself a quarter) will not try, will not feel the word will not believe. So you need to give a touch and especially give a try to the "new" life under the "Bandera Shobla" and the EU FTA.



      It recalls the situation with Chechnya between the 1st and 2nd wars.
  13. loginovich
    loginovich 27 February 2014 11: 57
    +7
    Quote: Hs487
    Again, the presence of territorial claims will be a formal reason for refusing to accept the remaining Ukraine into NATO

    So big, but you believe in fairy tales. They are only stopped by Poplars and Maces, but informality.
  14. Shurale
    Shurale 27 February 2014 12: 00
    +3
    The picture is full of guano, Ukrainians do not want to work, only their pro-American pro-American leadership in 20 years destroyed the whole industry, and now what to do? Apparently joining the EU, they need slaves for their wage workers from Bulgaria and Poland ....
  15. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 27 February 2014 12: 01
    +3
    Today at 5 in the morning the buildings of the Cabinet and the Supreme Council of Crimea were seized. Unknown people in uniform without identification marks. Above the buildings raised Russian flags. I wonder if this is a response from Russia or a local initiative. What is interesting to the Tatars, their leaders urged not to intervene.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 27 February 2014 12: 13
      +4
      It is not yet clear who this is, but the leaders of the Mejlis called on the Tatars not to rock the boat, because yesterday Kadyrov conveyed his fiery greetings to them ...

      "Special forces from Chechnya have arrived on the territory of the Republic of Crimea," a source in Simferopol told our correspondent. According to the source, the security forces from Chechnya arrived to "protect the population and restore order."

      http://novoross.info/happens/23162-istochnik-v-krym-pribyl-chechenskiy-specnaz.h

      tml

      According to information from Ukraine, the building of the Crimean Rada was seized by the Sevastopol "Berkut"
      But this is already much more interesting:
      Decree of the President of Ukraine No. 90 / 2014 of February 27 2014

      (Translated from Ukrainian)

      22-23 February in Ukraine there was a military coup in which groups of armed Nazi militants with military-political support of foreign powers seized the central government in the capital city of Kiev, and a number of regional administrations in the western part of the country.

      Some of the political forces of Ukraine acted as traitors to the people and collaborators, collaborating with fascists who seized state power in the capital, with the goal of forming a puppet government entirely dependent on external sponsors of this coup, represented by the United States of America and NATO countries, primarily Germany and Poland. Fascist gangs ousted employees of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine from Kiev, captured the Central Rada, and instituted reprisals against deputies who did not support the coup, including beatings, abductions, burning houses and threats of reprisals against deputies and their families. In this regard, the continuation of the activities of the constitutional authorities in Kiev became impossible for military reasons.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 27 February 2014 12: 15
        +1
        To cover the goals of the coup d'état, the participants used the “Agreement on the settlement of the crisis in Ukraine” of February 21 of 2014, in which, together with me they stated: “They intend to form a coalition and form a Government of national unity within 10 days”, before the first Martha. This Agreement was initialed by the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of France, Germany and Poland, who later not only failed to fulfill their obligations as guarantors of the Agreement, but also took a direct part in promoting a coup in Ukraine.

        The President of Ukraine remains the only party to this Agreement, which strictly and fully complied with its obligations. In connection with the expiration of the period announced by the Agreement of February 21 for the formation of the Government of National Unity in Ukraine, and the attempts of part of the putschists to form their own illegal puppet government in Kiev, I announce the following measures of the legal authority of Ukraine to restore the constitutional order:

        1. Repeal Decree of the President of Ukraine No. 52/2014 of January 28, 2014 “On the resignation of the Prime Minister of Ukraine and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine”. Members of the Cabinet of Ministers, their deputies, and heads of departments and services to arrive at the point indicated by me in the Circular Letter to continue the work of the legitimate Government of Ukraine in the manner provided for by Decree No. 950 “On Confirming Regulation to the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.” The Cabinet of Misters should take exhaustive measures for restoration of public administration, and fulfillment of the Government’s social obligations in regions not occupied by the putschists, paying particular attention to the issues of paying pensions, allowances, and measures of social support for the population in the regions, as well as resolving material issues and paying salaries to law enforcement agencies loyal to the legitimate authority, and determining measures of material support National squads and sources of their financing. In case of insufficient funds, to betray for the purposes the deployment of the services of the People’s squads in the regions of any state property, and the right to use it locally.

        2. Determine the location of the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander of Ukraine - the Headquarters of the Navy of Ukraine, Sevastopol. The Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Navy, Admiral Yuriy Ilyin, to take comprehensive measures to establish communications with all parts, units and ships of the Armed Forces of the Ukrainian Navy in order to comply with the unconditional sovereignty, territorial integrity and protection of the legitimate government bodies of Ukraine. Temporarily assign him the duties of chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. To all commanders of units, subunits and ships no more than 24 hours after the promulgation of the Decree, to get in touch with the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander in the city of Sevastopol, about which I have issued Order No. 1 of the Supreme Commander. After the expiration of the specified period, consider all commanders who have not complied with the requirements of the Order as traitors, without an additional Order, to deprive them of their military rank, with stripping off the epaulettes before the formation. Junior officers take measures to remove them, including the use of weapons to defeat those who have resisted, in order to immediately comply with the Orders of the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander, and report on the execution of the order to the Chief of the General Staff in Sevastopol.
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 27 February 2014 12: 16
          +4
          3. Heads of the militia and the SBU of Ukraine go over to military service in the order specified by order No. XXUMX of the Supreme Commander, All commanders of the police units within 2 hours after promulgation of the Decree to get in touch with the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander in the city of Sevastopol. After the expiration of this period, consider all commanders of the police and SBU units who have not fulfilled the requirements of Order No. XXUMX as traitors, without an additional Order to remove them from office, with the aim of the junior officers to take measures to remove them, including the use of weapons to defeat resistance, with the aim of immediately fulfilling the Orders of the Supreme Commander’s Stake, and to report on the implementation of the Order to me personally.

          4. To foreign powers wishing to maintain diplomatic relations with Ukraine, to send their naval attachés for communication with the legal leadership of the country to the main headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy, Sevastopol, before creating the conditions for accreditation of foreign embassies in it.

          5. Determine the location of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine and the National Bank of Ukraine at the location of the Supreme Commander General Headquarters. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Head of the Central Bank to warn foreign powers about the inadmissibility of the theft of Ukraine’s financial reserves, which only the legal authorities of the country have the right to dispose of, and to restore correspondent relations with international banks and financial organizations. In the case of theft. appropriating or freezing these funds, or using them at the direction of the illegal provisional authorities of Kiev, to compensate for the losses due to the nationalization of funds and property owned by the Governments, organizations and citizens of the countries concerned, up to a judicial decision of this issue in the interests of Ukraine. In this regard, the Government should freeze all assets of foreign companies and any companies with foreign participation and transfer them to full state administration, until the confirmation of the readiness of foreign powers to faithfully fulfill their financial obligations to the legal Government of Ukraine.

          6. Offer everyone loyal to the Constitution of Ukraine to deputies of the Verkhovna Rada to arrive in the city of Sevastopol for the 3 March 2014 mobile session, with an agenda on depriving them of immunity and deputy powers of the armed coup in the city of Kiev, before the elections to the Verkhovna Rada and the resumption of its work under the occupation of the historical capital country.

          7. To the elected authorities in the regions of Ukraine, by March 3, to propose to me the candidatures of the leaders of the respective regions, from among the deputies, or citizens loyal to the legal Government of the country. Candidates with mandates from representative authorities should arrive in the city of Sevastopol by March 3, for approval by me as Governors. Prior to this period, all elected local authorities should form People’s Squads, from among those loyal to the legitimate Government of the country, appointing them as heads of officers with military experience, or employees of the Berkut and Internal Troops units who have distinguished themselves by their personal courage in defending the legitimate authorities in the city of Kiev, as well as independently take all necessary measures to restore constitutional order throughout Ukraine.

          President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych
          27 February 2014 of the year

          http://anna-news.info/node/13745#comment-31458

          He brought the document completely on purpose, unlike a fake ...
          1. Kapitan Oleg
            Kapitan Oleg 27 February 2014 12: 35
            +2
            As for the Chechen special forces, it’s for sure a fake. Without Putin’s permission, Kadyrov cannot send special forces, because this is a war.
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          3. HollyGremlin
            HollyGremlin 27 February 2014 12: 54
            +2
            This is not a fake, this is a false Yanukovych first
          4. Corsair
            Corsair 27 February 2014 13: 19
            0
            Quote: Novel 1977
            He brought the document completely on purpose, unlike a fake ...
            Fake! Moreover, poorly cooked ...
            Fascist gangs ousted employees of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine from Kiev, seized Central Rada, instituted reprisals against deputies who did not support the putsch, up to their beatings, abductions, arson of houses and threats of reprisals against deputies and their families.
            Central Council of the UPR existed as a representative body of Ukrainian political, social, cultural and professional organizations since March 1917 and was abolished in late April 1918 as a result of the coup d'etat of the hetman P.P. Skoropadsky ...
          5. Nika
            Nika 27 February 2014 15: 37
            0
            Unfortunately, it seems. We do not have the Central Council, for example.
            And the original on the network, alas, is not.
            And I would like so much.
          6. Sandov
            Sandov 27 February 2014 18: 58
            0
            Quote: Novel 1977
            He brought the document completely on purpose, unlike a fake ...

            I also heard it, but read it only now. It would be necessary to somehow disseminate it on Ukrainian sites. Who can do it?
  16. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 27 February 2014 12: 03
    +8
    when the time comes to pay salary pensions, etc. people will understand that they were thrown right then and there will be a real mess. Rulers come and go, but you always want to eat. The course is falling, the treasury is empty.
  17. f4b2
    f4b2 27 February 2014 12: 06
    .
    About Crimea. As much as we would not like, but there will be no separation of the Crimea.
    And even more so, it is unreasonable to wait for the annexation of Crimea to Russia.

    Crimean Tatars will not give. There are only 300 - 350 thousand, but this is a united idea
    and loyal to orange blossom mass.

    The same South Ossetia, Pidnestrovie, Abkhazia.
    What, have you joined? No, after all. And no one remembers the referendum.
    Well, and, unfortunately, the gut of our leaders is thin.
    Here decisiveness and onslaught are needed.
    And with us everything is sluggish and with a monstrous delay.
    This is a war. And the one who wields the strategic initiative wins the war.
    1. Kapitan Oleg
      Kapitan Oleg 27 February 2014 12: 37
      +4
      If you look formally, then Abkhazia and Ossetia are independent, but upon the fact of Russian submission
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    3. VICTOR83
      VICTOR83 27 February 2014 12: 50
      -4
      [quote = f4b2] The same South Ossetia, Pidnestrovie, Abkhazia.
      What, have you joined? No, after all. And no one remembers the referendum.
      Well, and, unfortunately, the gut of our leaders is thin.
      Here decisiveness and onslaught are needed.
      And with us everything is sluggish and with a monstrous delay.

      You speak the truth !!!

      [quote = f4b2] About Crimea. As much as we would not like, but there will be no separation of the Crimea.
      And even more so, it is unreasonable to wait for the annexation of Crimea to Russia. [/ Quote]

      Sell ​​for their own interests. Too much personal dough is stored in Europe, with the Americans.
    4. Sandov
      Sandov 27 February 2014 19: 02
      +3
      Quote: f4b2
      About Crimea. As much as we would not like, but there will be no separation of the Crimea.
      And even more so, it is unreasonable to wait for the annexation of Crimea to Russia.

      No need to join, let it be independent. The main people will live quietly and work.
  18. serge
    serge 27 February 2014 12: 10
    +3
    It's funny how the type of Russian media reports about the capture of the Crimean parliament by Russian resistance units:

    "In Crimea, people with weapons seized the parliament and the Council of Ministers"
    "Unknowns seized the buildings of the Council and Council of Ministers of Crimea"
    "Militants seized buildings"
    etc.

    The word Russian is not in the headlines. Russian media needs to be cleaned on a national basis. So that at least every second one is Russian, like in the USSR.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 February 2014 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: serge
      The word Russian is not in the headlines. Russian media needs to be cleaned on a national basis. So that at least every second one is Russian, like in the USSR.

      I suspect that no one just knows who these people are.
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  20. kare
    kare 27 February 2014 12: 23
    0
    Quote: 1c-inform-city
    Today at 5 in the morning the buildings of the Cabinet and the Supreme Council of Crimea were seized. Unknown people in uniform without identification marks. Above the buildings raised Russian flags. I wonder if this is a response from Russia or a local initiative. What is interesting to the Tatars, their leaders urged not to intervene.

    I think, nevertheless, the matter is not pure. For the time being, the flag can hang whatever you like, until the main forces approach.
    In place of the "benderlogs" so that the people would calm down, I would do the same. Military cunning is allowed.
  21. shelva
    shelva 27 February 2014 12: 23
    +1
    Independence, power, economy, etc. for Ukraine turned out to be too dangerous "toys", like matches for children. For over 20 years, nothing constructive - only revolutions.
  22. RUSS
    RUSS 27 February 2014 12: 23
    +2
    Quote: 1c-inform-city
    What is interesting Tatars, their leaders called not


    Yesterday, Minikhanov cautioned that the guys are not your war, but Kadyrov promised not to leave the Crimeans in trouble. Cossacks promised to send militias.
  23. Alexandr 2
    Alexandr 2 27 February 2014 12: 26
    +3
    The Ukrainian state is on the verge of collapse. The West has crossed all borders. Russia must intervene.
    1. f4b2
      f4b2 27 February 2014 12: 34
      0
      Intervene? How's that, I wonder?
      Tank columns and air strikes?
  24. fregina1
    fregina1 27 February 2014 12: 48
    +2
    Turchinov demanded that the Russian Black Sea Fleet be prohibited from moving around the Crimea. “Any movement outside these territories will be regarded as aggression. The Ukrainian state will be able to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity, ”ITAR-TASS quoted him as saying. I just want to tell this Baptist .. go on ..... What we want at home and do! It’s time to hear something about this acting from the GDP
    1. fduch
      fduch 27 February 2014 12: 50
      +4
      By the way, the village of Ukromnoye, in which our armored personnel carriers are located, is Simferopol Airport ...
    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara 27 February 2014 20: 45
      0
      Quote: fregina1
      Any movement outside the boundaries of these territories will be regarded as aggression. The Ukrainian state will be able to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity ”,

      so let them go to defend sovereignty, otherwise our bombers are working dry for training purposes. The horses stagnated. The bombs already say "Berlin!"
  25. brelok
    brelok 27 February 2014 12: 51
    0
    Quote: alex13-61
    Today, at about 5 am in Kiev, unknown armed people captured the Parliament and the Cabinet of Ministers of Crimea ... Russian flags were posted ...
    Negotiations will begin at 9 (11 Moscow time) ...

    they will report about the column in 50 armored vehicles. It seems to have begun?
    1. fduch
      fduch 27 February 2014 12: 55
      +1
      Now the Airborne Forces will catch up ..
  26. individual
    individual 27 February 2014 12: 57
    0
    It should be said that the State Enterprise "Production Association" Southern Machine-Building Plant "named after A. Makarov" (Yuzhmash) is a large Ukrainian enterprise for the production of rocket and space technology and other high-tech products, located in Dnepropetrovsk.
    Other high technology products include rotors of nuclear power plants.
    Now no one is building a nuclear power plant except Russia, and only allies from the Ukrainian Yuzhmash can produce rotors.
    The break of Russia with Dnepropetrovsk, who raised the Maidan banner, threatens Russia not only with material losses, but most importantly, with a decrease in the defense potential of the Russian Army and Navy (remember the SS-20 Satan product and its generations).
    This is known both in Russia and in the infuriated Ukraine, this is one of the reasons why Russia is silent and awaits a natural ending to the development of events.
  27. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 February 2014 13: 04
    +1
    First, the Crimea must clearly declare its independence, then defend it in an armed struggle, then economically survive, then pester Russia for twenty years. And then, perhaps backed to the wall, Russia recognizes something-there. This is the example of Abkhazia, Ossetia and Transnistria. If you want to be independent, be, everything is in your hands. Only "NATO has declared its intention to maintain the integrity of Ukraine" so there will be German policemen and a division "Galicia" and some sort of "Luhansk" massacre.
    1. fduch
      fduch 27 February 2014 13: 08
      +1
      Do not give !!! Yes, and NATO obsessed am
    2. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 27 February 2014 14: 35
      +3
      In Sevastopol, our marines, what the hell is "Galicia"?
  28. Stinger
    Stinger 27 February 2014 13: 08
    -1
    What are you talking about? The people realized that it was necessary to live according to concepts, and not according to an incomprehensible constitution, which no one was observing. They appoint overseers for new ministers so that the common fund does not plunder. This is more understandable, there is more order and speedy ambulance.
  29. VICTOR83
    VICTOR83 27 February 2014 13: 25
    +1
    The way out of the situation and prevent the collapse of the state: the army must take full power. My opinion is that today it is the only power of the state that is able to restore order in all areas of the country. Victims can not be avoided in any case.
  30. Magadan
    Magadan 27 February 2014 13: 34
    +5
    GUYS!

    DO NOT BE FOLLOWED on Bender's propaganda move - TYPE PUTIN PURSES means "handed over everyone."

    Ukraine is first of all OUR WITH YOU verification. The ability of the most people to solve such problems.
    If we ourselves can:

    1) raise money
    2) With this money, under the slogan "to protect the giraffe Marius", arm and maintain our boys that they passed through Chechnya and Georgia.
    3) Provide shelter to women and children from Sevastopol, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine if the massacre begins there


    WE WILL WIN it ourselves. And all the state departments will only have to wash up. What is "armed intervention"? We don't know anything! How can the government stop the flow of money from Russians to their relatives? And the fact that they bought weapons - so we do not know! What "Russian mercenaries"? Well, yes, Ivan Ivanov was there, yes, he fought in Ossetia before. I went to visit Sevastopol. There he was attacked, he took a submachine gun from someone from the Banders and put a dozen. Is it our fault that you have Banderas with machine guns walking around there? By the way, your power itself admits this!
    http://www.belvpo.com/ru/35003.html (ихний нынешний глава МВД рассказывает про майдаунов что автоматами грабят и насилуют женщин)

    So Putin can not interfere with this alignment!
    LET PUTIN AND SILENCE NEXT! WE CAN EVERYTHING !!!
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 27 February 2014 13: 57
      +8
      About the silence of the Predident of Russia ... "Nature gave man two ears, but only one language" ... Russia has Lavrov for conversation ... A good walker was made with Lukin. I came and attended, refused to sign - left. There are no obligations on the part of Russia, and I probably wanted to drag us into a warm group. The "guarantors" are now crumpled, and the Russian clothes remain neat. Small, but a plus sign.
      What says GDP, IMHO, is not so important. Much more important is what he DOES. A chatter is an informational background, which, alas, is not perceived by the adversary.
      But the rise in the training alarm of a couple of armies is still perceived.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 27 February 2014 14: 03
        +5
        Quote: tolancop
        What says GDP, IMHO, is not so important. Much more important is what he DOES. A chatter is an informational background, which, alas, is not perceived by the adversary.
        But the rise in the training alarm of a couple of armies is still perceived.

        I agree, the silence of GDP now only annoys everyone. The West is not understood and does not know its next move, and therefore it can make a bunch of mistakes.
        The tactics are very similar across Syria. I hope to soon hear the offer of GDP, which the West will not be able to refuse ...
  31. tolancop
    tolancop 27 February 2014 13: 46
    0
    Quote: ziqzaq
    Quote: Eugeniy_369k
    Sevastopol, Odessa, Yalta, Kharkov ... however hello?

    Rather: Welcome back !!!
    Tiyo !!! Do not scare .... For their return, still have to fight hard. They didn’t tear it off to give it without a fight. I think there is hope, but it's too early to rejoice ... We will rejoice after ...
  32. saag
    saag 27 February 2014 13: 46
    +1
    what a short-sighted policy - "we will annex Crimea, Crimea will be ours", it is wrong, if you want to unite all strata of Crimean society, you need to put forward slogans about the independence of Crimea, this is inexplicable, but it works flawlessly
  33. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 27 February 2014 13: 47
    0
    I already wrote once that it is necessary to organize the mass distribution of Russian passports in the Crimea and the South-East. Then declare the need to protect their compatriots, the Yankees and Europe blather, but they can quickly cover their mouth with Kosovo. Allegedly, the Decree of Yanyk was published on the network, and for this they hid him all this time, waiting for the term in the agreement. Legally, he is the legitimate President, by his decree he legitimizes resistance and makes all the laws of the Rada illegitimate. Now we need some more time and I think that in a couple of days we will become witnesses of the statement of GDP.
  34. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 27 February 2014 13: 52
    +1
    Our rulers are now afraid of the "civilized" world. But Alexei Mikhailovich Romanov (Quiet) did not give a damn about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (of which Ukraine was a part), did not care about the Ottoman Empire and the Crimean Khanate (which Russia-Muscovy didn’t need quite close by), and took new subjects under his wing. This is how it was: he didn’t sew and took it, and this despite the fact that at that time the Russian state was going through not the best times (half a century had not passed since the Troubles ended, they didn’t really recover from the intervention, the focal peasant riots), but the tsar was not afraid to take responsibility and accept new subjects.
    And now what? We do everything with an eye to Europe. Okay, we lost Dnepropetrovsk. Apparently Kherson, Nikolaev too. But there are other cities and regions that can rebuff the Nazis if our leadership directly speaks out in support of those who are against this "new order".
    And all these Yaytsenyuk, Tyagnibok and Klitschko - they are so bold in words, but in fact, if you really grab them stronger, then they will turn sour.
    All of them have great fortunes, including and in Ukraine, and if they pose a real threat of deprivation of all this, then they will not behave so arrogantly.
  35. Engineer77
    Engineer77 27 February 2014 13: 59
    +1
    I get the feeling that there is an agreement between Russia, the EU and the USA.
    Everyone is tired of this endless bedlam with Ukraine, as there has been a mess there all his life, so he will be there. The clowns played their role
    Russia does not need this Bendery - let the EU take it for itself.
    And the Russian Federation will leave the eastern regions and Crimea.
  36. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 February 2014 13: 59
    +2
    Cheerful lads. Apparently they are from the breed of those people who, in order to fry eggs, set fire to their hut. Ukrainians pay special attention to the words "The government of suicide bombers" The same was said by Gaidar before the "reforms" under his leadership and on the terms of the IMF. Then Russia got out of debt on all fours for ten years. Lord save Ukraine.
  37. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 February 2014 14: 01
    0
    And this is the text. According to the declassified WikiLeaks documents, a Ukrainian interlocutor of the American ambassador John Tefft prepared a program for the development of Ukrainian reforms and passed it on to the United States. Those, in turn, approved and handed over this program to the IMF, which insisted on them as if Ukraine received a loan, Ukrainian News reports.
    According to WikiLeaks, this list of reforms - recommendations to Ukraine includes the following:
    1. Raise the retirement age - by two years for men, by three - for women. Eliminate the right to early retirement and the principle of counting a year in two at hazardous enterprises.
    2. Eliminate the institution of special pension benefits, which are allocated to scientists, civil servants, managers of state enterprises. Limit pensions to working pensioners. Set the retirement age to army officers in 60 years.
    3. Increase the price of gas for municipal enterprises by 50%, twice for private consumers. Increase the cost of electricity by 40%. Allow pricing utilities. Allow price increases according to gas prices. Increase the excise on gasoline to 60 euros.
    4. Cancel benefits and increase transport taxes by 50%. Do not raise the cost of living, balance the social situation at the expense of point subsidies.
    5. Privatize all mines and abolish all subsidies. Cancel benefits for utilities, transport, and more. The abolition of state support for free food, textbooks.
    6. Limit the practice of simplified taxation. Abolish the practice of VAT exemption in rural areas. Oblige pharmacies and pharmacists to pay VAT.
    7. Cancel the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land. Eliminate subsidies for pork and chicken producers.
    8. Reduce the composition of ministries to 14. Leave only one deputy prime minister. To abolish the post of Minister of Cabinet Ministers. Subordinate all state bodies to ministries. The tax administration, customs, and the State Property Fund should be included in the Ministry of Finance.
    9. Limit excessive wages of public officials.
    10. Unemployment benefits should be accrued only after a minimum period of six months of work. Pay sick leave at the level of 70% of the salary, but not lower than the subsistence level. Pay sick leave only from the third day of illness.
    Earlier it was suggested that the former ambassador to the US Embassy in Ukraine, in this case, as in a number of other reports of the US embassy in Ukraine, could be ex-finance minister Viktor Pynzenyk.
  38. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 February 2014 14: 01
    0
    And this is the text. According to the declassified WikiLeaks documents, a Ukrainian interlocutor of the American ambassador John Tefft prepared a program for the development of Ukrainian reforms and passed it on to the United States. Those, in turn, approved and handed over this program to the IMF, which insisted on them as if Ukraine received a loan, Ukrainian News reports.
    According to WikiLeaks, this list of reforms - recommendations to Ukraine includes the following:
    1. Raise the retirement age - by two years for men, by three - for women. Eliminate the right to early retirement and the principle of counting a year in two at hazardous enterprises.
    2. Eliminate the institution of special pension benefits, which are allocated to scientists, civil servants, managers of state enterprises. Limit pensions to working pensioners. Set the retirement age to army officers in 60 years.
    3. Increase the price of gas for municipal enterprises by 50%, twice for private consumers. Increase the cost of electricity by 40%. Allow pricing utilities. Allow price increases according to gas prices. Increase the excise on gasoline to 60 euros.
    4. Cancel benefits and increase transport taxes by 50%. Do not raise the cost of living, balance the social situation at the expense of point subsidies.
    5. Privatize all mines and abolish all subsidies. Cancel benefits for utilities, transport, and more. The abolition of state support for free food, textbooks.
    6. Limit the practice of simplified taxation. Abolish the practice of VAT exemption in rural areas. Oblige pharmacies and pharmacists to pay VAT.
    7. Cancel the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land. Eliminate subsidies for pork and chicken producers.
    8. Reduce the composition of ministries to 14. Leave only one deputy prime minister. To abolish the post of Minister of Cabinet Ministers. Subordinate all state bodies to ministries. The tax administration, customs, and the State Property Fund should be included in the Ministry of Finance.
    9. Limit excessive wages of public officials.
    10. Unemployment benefits should be accrued only after a minimum period of six months of work. Pay sick leave at the level of 70% of the salary, but not lower than the subsistence level. Pay sick leave only from the third day of illness.
    Earlier it was suggested that the former ambassador to the US Embassy in Ukraine, in this case, as in a number of other reports of the US embassy in Ukraine, could be ex-finance minister Viktor Pynzenyk.
  39. Sergey Vl.
    Sergey Vl. 27 February 2014 14: 39
    +1
    Our Black Sea Fleet was in Sevastopol, and the battleship "Prince Potemkin-Tavrichesky" once entered Odessa and shot a little there. Even at school, they taught that history develops in a spiral. Interestingly girls dance ... in the XXI century!
  40. Auralski
    Auralski 27 February 2014 14: 45
    0
    Something the author is slowing down! The article was a couple of days late; the situation is beginning to change dramatically.
    And it seems for the better, For both Russia and Ukraine ...
  41. repytw
    repytw 27 February 2014 14: 48
    0
    "Now at the building of the Crimean parliament there are about a thousand protesters, reports the agency" Crimean News "and specifies that those gathered came to support the invaders of the Crimean buildings, demand the separation of Crimea from Ukraine and its entry into Russia."


    I ask who can make a topic dedicated to the events in Simferopol. That the news from Crimea would go straight to the forum, it would be contradictory and mostly Ukrainized.
  42. sarmat-4791
    sarmat-4791 27 February 2014 14: 55
    0
    Radio "Voice of Russia" reports (online broadcast) "14:32 The US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt arrived at the Verkhovna Rada building." Everyone should be proud of the process that is taking place in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine today and how democratic procedures are being restored, "the ambassador said . " Well, yes, the next step is sodomy procedures?
  43. fregina1
    fregina1 27 February 2014 15: 08
    0
    And Yanuca calls them all "respected" intermediaries !!! laughing Well, what respected these ambassadors are they, just "scammers", the most interesting thing is that they will throw this Radu when necessary!
  44. Frunze28rus
    Frunze28rus 27 February 2014 15: 09
    +2
    Let’s surrender Ukraine, we don’t exist
  45. Foxmara
    Foxmara 27 February 2014 20: 40
    0
    My senses feel that the "partners" have lost again. They are still twitching, running somewhere, but they have already lost. Interesting documents and proofs will appear soon, the GDP always knows how to wait to strike a blow at exactly the right time. Actually, there is already a video confirming that they drove their own.