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Your rocket is closer. Ukrainian "Governor" will be replaced by our "Sarmat"

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Your rocket is closer. Ukrainian "Governor" will be replaced by our "Sarmat"

25 February Russian strategic deterrence experts talked about how to develop our nuclear triad.


This included, in particular, a new stationary complex "Sarmat" with a heavy intercontinental ballistic missile. Experimental design work on this project is carried out by the cooperation of industrial enterprises headed by the Makeyev State Rocket Center. They plan to complete them by 2018-2020 year.

According to the former chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, Viktor Esin, the Sarmat will be replaced by the RS-20B complex of the Voyevoda, which is better known in the West as the “Satan”. Experts say that in terms of its characteristics, the new rocket will not yield to it, and in some respects it will surpass. To do this, designers put in a promising system the best ratio of payload and starting weight. And the high energy of the future rocket will affect not only its effectiveness, but also allow diversifying the ways of countering missile defense systems, including the space echelon of impact weapons.

“A heavy intercontinental ballistic missile of a silo-based missile makes it possible to deliver warheads to targets not only at energy-optimal trajectories with tight azimuths of approach, but also to strike from various directions, including delivery of blocks through the South Pole,” the ex-head of the 4-th Central Research Institute of Defense Ministry said General Vladimir Vasilenko.

It must be said that the “Voevod” complex and the no less formidable PC-18 “Stiletto” have long been in combat duty. Their operational periods are constantly extended, but this cannot go on forever. In addition to the time frame, the geographical factor also affects the fate of rockets. The fact is that "Voivods" and "Stilettos" at one time were produced at Yuzhmash. Now this enterprise is located on the territory of Ukraine, in Dnepropetrovsk. To prolong the life of the missiles, the command of the Strategic Missile Forces each time has to negotiate with its neighbors. The appearance in Russia of its own heavy rocket will eliminate this dependence.

This issue has acquired particular relevance in connection with the change of power in Kiev. What happens if Yuzhmash is closed or its leadership is forced to terminate the agreement on the maintenance of our missiles? Victor Yesin does not expect catastrophic consequences for the Strategic Missile Forces from such a move. “Russian cooperation, which is engaged in the production of liquid rockets, is capable of assuming warranty supervision over the PC-20,” the general said. “Yes, there will be difficulties, because the documentation is in Ukraine. But, nevertheless, this task is solved.”

Once again, experts mentioned Ukraine in connection with combat railway missile systems - BZHRK. Experimental design work on this project is also conducted in Russia. But whether they will get a logical conclusion is a big question. Yesin said that in our country there is no technical reserve for BZHRK, since in Soviet times such complexes were created in Ukraine. In addition, the entire infrastructure for their operation has been lost, and huge funds are needed to recreate it. Finally, problems may arise with the railway authorities, who, according to the general, for their services "will ask at the exorbitant price from the Ministry of Defense." However, putting an end to this project is not worth it. Moreover, it may be particularly relevant in the case of the implementation of US missile defense plans in Europe.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 26 February 2014 11: 48
    +17
    mmmda ... according to the BZHDK it is not so comforting ...
    1. en 45
      en 45 26 February 2014 12: 23
      +20
      "Problems may arise with the railway management, which, according to the general, will" ask for exorbitant prices from the Ministry of Defense for its services "- that's why the railway should be state-owned, and not OJSC
      1. aunt
        aunt 26 February 2014 12: 56
        +6
        Yes, this is nonsense, it seems to me. This is not a private matter. Therefore, they will order and the piece of iron will not blather. Well, it will knock out some kind of compensation from the state. Not the poorest organization in the country. What is the head, then a villa near Lake Geneva.
        1. aunt
          aunt 26 February 2014 13: 15
          0
          I would like to add that OAO is also not a problem. The state has a controlling stake, probably (just logic), just like in Gazprom.
          This is done when they want to attract funds from private investors. They give them the opportunity to invest in the topic, and then cut the coupons. The state does not have enough to invest in development themselves, partly due to the fact that it is being stolen :)
          1. abdrah
            abdrah 27 February 2014 04: 19
            0
            Quote: aunt
            This is done when they want to attract funds from private investors. They give them the opportunity to invest in the topic, and then cut the coupons. The state does not have enough to invest in development themselves, partly due to the fact that it is being stolen :)


            I recall in which it is cheaper and more practical to return the confiscation of property and leave the moratorium on execution, as we have in Belarus and the United States, for example.
            Yapy also vomited a moratorium, but could not stand it and last year they hung 7 rogues ..
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 26 February 2014 13: 15
        +2
        You can make it easier - change the entire leadership of the railway FOR YOUR PEOPLE-COULD HAVE THE SAME Khodorkovsky to curb — Put on the yoke and the leadership of Russian Railways.
        1. the polar
          the polar 26 February 2014 14: 49
          0
          Quote: The same Lech
          You can make it easier - change the entire leadership of the railway FOR YOUR PEOPLE-COULD HAVE THE SAME Khodorkovsky to curb — Put on the yoke and the leadership of Russian Railways.

          And there already is his own Yakunin, his own nowhere. Unless to replace him with his Serdyukov, especially since he seems to be unemployed for now.
        2. demel2
          demel2 26 February 2014 15: 58
          +1
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          -WE were able to curb the same Khodorkovsky-put on the yoke and the leadership of Russian Railways.

          It would be nice to reins in all the oligarchs, then money for armaments would be more than enough. Like in China.
      3. tolmachiev51
        tolmachiev51 26 February 2014 13: 48
        0
        So after all, this is the strangest OJSC, 51% of the shares are in the state, and the rest is completely incomprehensible to anyone? Railway workers have no shares.
      4. Power
        Power 26 February 2014 15: 32
        0
        Here it is feudalism, each has its own feeding trough-territory. How many will ask as much and give. What did they turn the country into? Ciliates.
    2. alex-s
      alex-s 26 February 2014 13: 06
      +1
      Yes, hoping for Ukraine now is fraught!
  2. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 26 February 2014 11: 50
    +3
    We are waiting for the stationary complex "Sarmat" for a long time. They plan to complete by 2018-2020.
    1. Nikolay74
      Nikolay74 26 February 2014 11: 54
      +6
      They don’t do such things with a kondachka, remember how you learned to fly with a Mace. But whether the question was taught is of course interesting.
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 26 February 2014 14: 02
        +1
        The question is not whether the Mace was taught to fly. The question is whether they learned to adhere to the technology in its manufacture.
  3. Alex toll
    Alex toll 26 February 2014 11: 51
    +7
    Here is U.Bki Amerovsky !!!!!!!!!!! In Ukraine, drawings of a rocket standing in service !!!!!!!!!!! You take a look at this phrase !!!!!!!!! We must urgently take everything out of there! And then how Gorbachev will give everything to friendly s.r.a.ne T - intentionally missed)))!
    1. aunt
      aunt 26 February 2014 13: 17
      +1
      What do you think there are all the drawings for the entire rocket?
      So even in a research institute the usual does not happen. those who are nearby (departments) during the development receive input parameters and that's it. What and how they don’t care, they develop their own node or block, and transmit the output signal parameters to the next department.

      Otherwise you will not save any secret :))
    2. demel2
      demel2 26 February 2014 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: Alex Toll
      We must urgently take everything out of there!

      For 25 years, the Indians pulled out everything that is needed and not needed, or do you think that Ukraine was a friendly power until recent events?
  4. yanus
    yanus 26 February 2014 11: 55
    +31
    Damn, do as in the beginning of 90's in some parts.
    Send trucks, load the families of developers from the design bureau that designed Voevoda and take to Russia with all the documentation. In Russia, provide apartments with decent salaries.
    Given the situation in Ukraine, many will leave from there.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 26 February 2014 11: 57
      0
      Quote: yanus
      Damn, do as in the beginning of 90's in some parts.
      Send trucks, load the families of developers from the design bureau that designed Voevoda and take to Russia with all the documentation. In Russia, provide apartments with decent salaries.
      Given the situation in Ukraine, many will leave from there.

      Now there is an opportunity not to export, but simply to establish production on the spot .... smile
      1. yanus
        yanus 26 February 2014 12: 21
        +4
        Quote: Russ69
        Now there is an opportunity not to export, but simply to establish production on site .... smile

        I wrote not only for documents or production, but for people. They are good specialists and in Russia they will find application.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 26 February 2014 12: 38
          0
          Quote: yanus
          how much for the people. They are good specialists and in Russia will find application.

          ... have long been working in this direction. And many are already here ...

          Now the main thing is to ensure the operation of "Satan" until it is removed from the database. Moreover, at least until the replacement by the newly created "Sarmat", i.e. 4-6 years old.
        2. aunt
          aunt 26 February 2014 13: 23
          +1
          here I agree. Put the assembly plant in the Russian Federation, and pick up specialists from Ukraine. It's all good. Only 5 columns so that you can’t get together with them, they will run back, and they will drag the secrets :)
          You have to grow your own, to replace visitors.
      2. yanus
        yanus 26 February 2014 12: 21
        +1
        Quote: Russ69
        Now there is an opportunity not to export, but simply to establish production on site .... smile

        I wrote not only for documents or production, but for people. They are good specialists and in Russia they will find application.
      3. ZSP
        ZSP 26 February 2014 14: 30
        0
        There will only be little sense from the production on site, if at least part of the documentation falls into the wrong hands (if it is not there), and in the position of the current Ukrainian "leadership" to hope for decency and the fact that the documentation will remain reliably protected, unfortunately, is not necessary! !! Therefore, only your own version and the more perfect it is, the better !!! Unfortunately, the times are over when it was possible to solve such issues together ...
    2. aunt
      aunt 26 February 2014 13: 21
      0
      Yes, the developer is in Moscow or elsewhere.
      The factory is not a developer.
      First, the rocket is designed, then it is carried out according to various tests, and they’ll deliver it to the plant with ready-made documents. Moreover, the plant can make part of the rocket, for example, engines, and the stuffing somewhere else, and the assembly is in 3rd place.
      When a missile is handed over to the military, malfunctions can be detected - and each developer has his own responsibility.
    3. the polar
      the polar 26 February 2014 14: 51
      0
      Quote: yanus
      Damn, do as in the beginning of 90's in some parts.
      Send trucks, load the families of developers from the design bureau that designed Voevoda and take to Russia with all the documentation. In Russia, provide apartments with decent salaries.
      Given the situation in Ukraine, many will leave from there.

      To do this, the country must be governed by the country's patriots, not liberal free market patriots
    4. demel2
      demel2 26 February 2014 16: 10
      +1
      Quote: yanus
      Given the situation in Ukraine, many will leave from there.

      Still Motorsich take out.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 26 February 2014 17: 24
        0
        If the radicals get to this enterprise, then they will reach the remaining 100%, too much money, the end will come to the entire aircraft building industry of Ukraine. What is still there. This is sooo good for the West. Problems will immediately begin in Russia.
  5. predator.3
    predator.3 26 February 2014 11: 57
    +22
    Ukrainian "Voevoda" will be replaced by our "Sarmat"


    With what fright is she Ukrainian? She is a SOVIET ROCKET!
    1. aunt
      aunt 26 February 2014 13: 27
      +2
      emoticons did not see. Soviet, this means a draw. Alas, such a country no longer exists.
      Therefore, it is Ukrainian probably at the assembly site of the complex. I still think that we are talking about assembling from blocks and nodes created in different places.
      I think the Americans are already grazing there, with the collapse of any country (the USSR is an example of the theft of ideas and secrets in the collapse) every bastard sells secrets to the noise.
      That’s the task of curling up without loss — taking everything out to the bolt is the task.
  6. largus886
    largus886 26 February 2014 12: 01
    +2
    FROM MINES THREATING WE WILL BE READS!
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 26 February 2014 15: 37
      0
      the location of the mines is known for certain. the starting points of firing missiles already simplify the interception task. Because I am practically sure that we will not be the aggressor, then the first blow will be delivered sooo lightning speed. Now there is already (developing) special. "axes" for all mine protection classes and nuclear weapons. Why do our "friends" start to blow foam from their mouths when the Russian Federation either lowers Borey into the water or starts talking about BZHRK ??? because they are really afraid of them. Poplar is good, but weak. But the R-36R2 can equalize the floor of the east coast!
  7. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 26 February 2014 12: 02
    +2
    Now the STATES revered and will make the anti-missile guidance system on Satan and others ideal.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 26 February 2014 13: 35
      +1
      You probably joked that. Look at Wikipedia, there you will read even more detailed information. Look at the Flurry toplad, too, the documentation was stolen, but no one can repeat it, and most importantly they can’t take any action. Secrets in things that are not stolen, or which are not described, or which cannot be reproduced.
      1. rolik2
        rolik2 26 February 2014 14: 00
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Look at the Flurry torpedo, too, the documentation was stolen, but no one can repeat it, and most importantly they can’t take any action.

        Or maybe he’s just not interested in anyone?
        Range no more than 15 km. Uncontrollable, high noise that unmasks the boat. Probable opponents simply do not have a niche for such torpedoes.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 26 February 2014 14: 21
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Look at the Flurry toplad, too, the documentation was stolen,

        they didn’t read the fine print - bring it with a file ... laughing
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    2. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 26 February 2014 14: 46
      0
      The Pentagon declared the uselessness of American interceptor missiles.
      "We need to create more reliable systems," - said the deputy head of the military department, noting that the current technology is "poorly designed," reports Reuters.
  8. 222222
    222222 26 February 2014 12: 05
    +5
    what it is Ukrainian - it is Soviet .. "The first missile regiment with ICBMs R-36M2 went on alert on July 30, 1988. On August 11, 1988, the missile system was put into service. Voevoda) with all types of combat equipment were completed in September 36. As of May 2, the Strategic Missile Forces includes 15 silo launchers with R-18M UTTKh and R-1989M2006 ICBMs, each equipped with 74 warheads. "
    .. during the reign of Yushch, Russia began the development of its missiles and its plants. why? no answer required ..
    1. DPN
      DPN 26 February 2014 13: 20
      +1
      Unfortunately, in Russia, the Soviet language became an abusive word, on TV how much stench spills over this period, like a boot, all our media have been recreated for this.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 26 February 2014 13: 39
      0
      Dnepr is a conversion space launch vehicle created on the basis of the P-36M UTTX and P-36M2 Voivode intercontinental ballistic missiles to be eliminated by the cooperation of Russian and Ukrainian enterprises and designed to launch up to 3,7 tons of payload (a spacecraft or a group of satellites) into orbits with an altitude of 300 — 900 km.
  9. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 26 February 2014 12: 06
    +8
    For the needs of defense, everything should be done in Russia - that's right, BZHDK is now needed like air (communicated with specialists)!
    1. aunt
      aunt 26 February 2014 13: 32
      +1
      not necessary. cooperation in any production helps to reduce costs.
      Why not make rocket hulls somewhere, if it's cheaper?
      Arranging their release at home is not difficult, but more expensive. If necessary, this can be done quickly.
      but technically sophisticated, intelligent production, at home.
  10. askort154
    askort154 26 February 2014 12: 09
    +3
    Quote of the article .... Finally, problems may arise with the railway administration, which, according to the general, will "ask for an exorbitant price from the Ministry of Defense" for its services.


    Here they are, market relations. They do not care about the strategic defense of the country, give them only profit.
    And the profit is not 2-3%, but 100-200%, so that "golden parachutes" have something to sew from.
    1. aunt
      aunt 26 February 2014 13: 29
      +1
      do not exaggerate and do not scare people. not everything is so running.
  11. Gagarin
    Gagarin 26 February 2014 12: 15
    +3
    Somehow I can’t believe that everything is so bad with the drawings. Did these complexes at least somehow serve? This fact itself already implies the presence of documentation and specialists. Everything is gone, polymers ....?
  12. v53993
    v53993 26 February 2014 12: 19
    +9
    Yesin said that in our country there is no technical backlog on BZHRK

    If there is a will, there will be a reserve.
    Finally, problems may arise with the railway leadership, which, according to the general, will "ask for exorbitant prices from the Ministry of Defense for its services."

    No problems, just re-read our classics - I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria and put into practice. I am sure that the railway leadership will then push the BZHRK itself through the vast expanses of our homeland, in compliance with the given speed limit.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 26 February 2014 14: 24
      0
      Quote: v53993
      No problems, just re-read our classics - I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria and put into practice. I am sure that the railway leadership will then push the BZHRK itself through the vast expanses of our homeland, in compliance with the given speed limit.

      And there will be order in the country ... Neither oligarchs, nor embezzlement thieves ... But Putin will not do that, far from him. Stalin.
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  13. waisson
    waisson 26 February 2014 12: 22
    +2
    at the moment of events it is yes -Your rocket is closer
  14. Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 February 2014 12: 23
    +4
    By the way, I thought: under this maidan, will not Western friends take out all this documentation on the Voivode and the Belarusian Chechen Republic? This is rightly a royal gift for NATO.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 26 February 2014 12: 31
      +1
      I think that they have already taken out or taken out under Yusche. Again, judging by the news reports, the maydaunas visited all the offices of power structures, including read owls. secret documents. 1000000% I give that along with them at that time were agents of the NSA and the CIA / Mi-6, Massad, etc. with bags where they loaded something (papers, disks, flash drives) that the Ukrainians hadn’t dumped before.
    2. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 26 February 2014 12: 37
      +1
      Do you really think that everything that our sworn friends wanted has not yet received? Over these 20 years, our neighbor brothers have surrendered everything with a tail.
      1. DPN
        DPN 26 February 2014 13: 12
        +1
        No need to kick the neighbor, Russia, led by Yeltsin, she surrendered everything she could. The rest just took advantage of her example. to somehow survive without such natural resources.
    3. Frate
      Frate 26 February 2014 13: 05
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      By the way, I thought: under this maidan, will not Western friends take out all this documentation on the Voivode and the Belarusian Chechen Republic? This is rightly a royal gift for NATO.

      Quote: Wedmak
      By the way, I thought: under this maidan, will not Western friends take out all this documentation on the Voivode and the Belarusian Chechen Republic? This is rightly a royal gift for NATO.

      With so many traitors from all sides, the Americans have long had everything on hand. But, thank God, this still does not mean anything. In Soviet times, Ukraine hosted a huge part of our defense industry, etc. And this is not very good now. It is a little reassuring that Kuchma and his followers squandered a lot, in our meantime (although farting steam), our own production is growing. And the people of our military-industrial complex must be taken out.
      1. aunt
        aunt 26 February 2014 13: 37
        0
        Do you think that in the Russian Federation in the GRU and other deep drilling offices? and did not restrict the access of colleagues with a precarious position in the SS documents?
        Not everything is as simple as it seems to us.
        Why do not you allow the thought that our guys did not stand next to the amers and mods? :))), and did not work at all in production?
        Maybe their task was to sell almost the right documents. But so that the analogue would be wrong and fall, fall, fall ..... :))))
        more optimistic need to be colleagues.
        1. Frate
          Frate 26 February 2014 14: 21
          0
          Unfortunately, your optimism is fueled by idealistic notions of "deep drilling firms". "Our" guys and girls have not been there for a long time. They were dismissed, written off, destroyed, etc. 20 years ago. And the last nail in the lid was hammered by our Great Scout, surrounding himself with all kinds of venal trifles. And of those who can still work for real - only a few, and even then - in spite of. The most powerful layer of agents created for decades has been destroyed. The wind is blowing in our House, and the licentiousness of the enemy's forces is confirmation of this.
  15. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 26 February 2014 12: 32
    0
    Yesin said that in our country there is no technical groundwork for BZHRK, since in Soviet times such complexes were created in Ukraine. In addition, the entire infrastructure for their operation turned out to be lost, and huge funds are needed to recreate it. Finally, problems may arise with the railway leadership, which, according to the general, will "ask the Defense Ministry at an exorbitant price for its services."

    Without touching on technical details - the plans of the state administration to privatize Russian Railways. Moscow Region is now afraid of Russian Railways prices for Moscow Region to ensure the passage of the BZHRK, and what will the private trader say then ?! He generally declares, but would you guys go with your unpredictable nuclear complex to ride along Our roads?
    They will create a complex, but they will not give it a ride and will stand in one area ...
    Russian Railways is a strategic enterprise and it cannot be taken and given to private owners!
  16. R-2
    R-2 26 February 2014 12: 36
    +2
    Quote: Wedmak
    By the way, I thought: under this maidan, will not Western friends take out all this documentation on the Voivode and the Belarusian Chechen Republic? This is rightly a royal gift for NATO.

    The United States for the protection of the embassy sent to Kiev marines
    http://warfiles.ru/49204-ssha-dlya-ohrany-posolstva-napravili-v-kiev-morskuyu-pe
    hotu.html
    Most likely they will take out ((
    1. Ajax
      Ajax 26 February 2014 13: 15
      0
      or have already sent the photo, from the scanner A0 sad
    2. ZSP
      ZSP 26 February 2014 14: 57
      0
      Inam should be sent with a margin so that the embassy would be enough for the rest as well, but somehow it’s not fair ... the Americans undercover they seem to be able to, but to us low ... So they also advise you not to meddle am
  17. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 February 2014 12: 45
    0
    Now the Americans will jump to Ukraine in big leaps, they will take out all the technical documentation that they will find, too, Glory to Ukraine, so to speak!
    1. v53993
      v53993 26 February 2014 13: 27
      0
      Americans will jump to Ukraine in big leaps, take out all the technical documentation that they find and

      The very moment they shove some shit, let them scratch their turnips.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 26 February 2014 13: 46
      0
      Yes, for a long time the Americans have all this. The problem is different. The ultimate documentation for a rocket in Russia. All electronic systems are not in Ukraine.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 26 February 2014 16: 05
        0
        What do you mean by the final documentation?
  18. dojjdik
    dojjdik 26 February 2014 12: 47
    +2
    Nuclear weapons on railway platforms are efficiency and direct budget savings. Tracking their location is impossible. Therefore, to deliver a guaranteed retaliatory strike, they can be much less than missiles in mines or bombs on airplanes. They are much cheaper than nuclear submarines. It is not for nothing that the United States insisted on their destruction in the first place, but what does the "mine installations" have to do with it?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 26 February 2014 14: 25
      0
      Quote: dojjdik
      Nuclear weapons on railway platforms are efficiency and direct budget savings. Tracking their location is impossible. Therefore, to deliver a guaranteed retaliatory strike, they can be much less than missiles in mines or bombs on airplanes. They are much cheaper than nuclear submarines. It is not for nothing that the United States insisted on their destruction in the first place, but what does the "mine installations" have to do with it?

      First there was the 941 TRPKSN project, 20 R39 missiles - a marine analogue of the voivode, which R36M2 ...
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  19. Maks-80
    Maks-80 26 February 2014 12: 48
    +3
    Can conduct an operation to steal all the necessary documentation from Ukraine.
  20. Leshka
    Leshka 26 February 2014 12: 49
    +1
    waiting to see
  21. Gagarin
    Gagarin 26 February 2014 12: 50
    +1
    For some reason, I doubt the established opinion about the over complexity of finding them, well, you listen, it's like a needle in a hay table ....
  22. Alex toll
    Alex toll 26 February 2014 12: 52
    +1
    Well, how so for the hundredth time on the same rake to come !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm just in shock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Until America is wiped off the face of the earth, it will stink from there. I’ll clarify America, but not people - I’m not a fascist and I don’t have hatred for other nationalities ................
    1. aunt
      aunt 26 February 2014 13: 42
      0
      :) the peace bearer directly ... but how to separate the tan from the dances?
      Like to take them on a visit while we gouge their country? And will they want to? :)
      Alas. If you want to fight someone, the victims are inevitable and the greatest among the civilian population.
  23. DPN
    DPN 26 February 2014 13: 05
    +1
    This former was probably removed on time, or he sings somehow for peace. A new rocket will be no worse than the one that is already about 50 years old. DBC is not necessary due to the fact that it will not be possible to agree with Russian Railways on their movement along the railway. The question is, which member of this Russian Railways is needed if it sets the conditions and puts the sticks on the state in its defense capability. Mr. Esin sings the wrong songs. In general, he and the master.
  24. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 February 2014 13: 10
    0
    At present, the policy of the Ministry of Defense is absolutely correct - the localization of production in Russia of all components of equipment and weapons: helicopter and aircraft engines (Motor Sich, etc.), automobile platforms (KAMAZ instead of MAZ and BelAZ), etc. The defensiveness of a s cannot depend on the direction of the wind in a neighboring state or on the momentary mood of the local king (pack of kings).
    Of course, it was necessary to create an appropriate climate for Ukrainian specialists so that they would go to Russia, and not to China.
  25. sxn278619
    sxn278619 26 February 2014 13: 38
    -1
    At first, land men make a sea rocket, now sailors do land, probably with the same result.
  26. rolik2
    rolik2 26 February 2014 13: 49
    0
    Quote: aunt
    I think the Americans are already grazing there, every bastard is selling secrets to the noise.

    Quote: Wedmak
    under this maidan, will not Western friends take out all this documentation on the Voivode and the Chechen Republic?

    Quote: mojohed2012
    I think that they have already taken out or taken out under Yusche.

    Quote: Standard Oil
    Now the Americans will jump to Ukraine in big leaps, will take out all the technical documentation that they will find, too,

    I read and just get cool, brain degradation is complete.
    Dear, you probably served in the army? And what did one of you see as Americans exported documentation in wagons? How do you get such confidence that it is being exported or exported from Ukraine? Who will carry out such orders? And where is such confidence that Ukraine does not protect its secret documents?

    And on the documentation brush, then take any military product, such a heap of documentation is attached to it that it is commensurate in size with the product itself. So there is documentation for the rocket in Russia, but the technological documentation that could be used to resume production is, alas, in Ukraine. That she will not help you very much, there is no factory where you can produce this product, the product, although formidable, is rather outdated. It's easier to create a new rocket according to your requirements, with your own components, than to resume production of "Satan".
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 26 February 2014 16: 10
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      How do you get such confidence that it is being exported or exported from Ukraine?

      This is not certainty. The question was just asked. It is easiest to erase information during a mess. And it’s not necessary to climb on your own. They will endure for a bag of money. Without at all belittling the capabilities of the special services, in Ukraine, in fact, chaos and anarchy, there is a direct seizure of state structures. Who can guarantee that there is nothing secret?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 February 2014 00: 21
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      Quote: rolik2
      And where is such confidence that Ukraine does not protect its secret documents?
      He’s probably guarding his own, but they fraternally trade in the secrets of the Russian Federation at their leisure.
      I believe, sir, do you know the story of C-300 and SU-27? If not - search the Internet, ask members of the forum - maybe the brains will fall into place from a brotherly love for an independent.
  27. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 26 February 2014 14: 13
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    What contracts with Russian Railways can there be when the question is about the country's security ??? !!!! BZHRK -with a modern satellite tracking system and given the structure of the Russian Railways / camber due to reformers, wagons, tanks fall every day / its efficiency will be zero. The prospect of TOPOL is more reliable.
    1. Vesnjanka
      Vesnjanka 26 February 2014 15: 00
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      Be sure that no one will ask Russian Railways. smile Wherever the Supreme Commander will need it, the BZHRK will go there. And as for the satellites, too, be sure!))) An order will be received - compilers at the stations will make up hundreds of false trains of standard full-time wagons in a configuration simulating the BZHRK. Any satellite from the account will be lost and will not single out the true BZHRK among them.
      1. clidon
        clidon 26 February 2014 17: 59
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        Well, yes - knocking down freight cars and passenger trains along the way. ) It will be enough for one spy-villain in the control room of this civil organization and the movement schedule of the BZHRK will be on the table with the enemies of the Motherland.
        1. Vesnjanka
          Vesnjanka 26 February 2014 18: 41
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          Let there be a schedule, this is not information of principle. In peacetime, outside the military threat, let them choke on this schedule! The coordinates of the Kremlin are known, for example, or the buildings of the Moscow Region, the SPRN radar station, mine launchers in positional areas are known and shot, and telemetry information was shot by probable opponents from each other, and nothing, we live! The main thing is that at the time of the launch of enemy missiles the BZHRK receives an order, picks up speed, leaves the affected area by 40-50-60 kilometers and guarantees a retaliatory oncoming or retaliatory strike! BZHRK-must be the guarantor of an inevitable retaliatory strike, and thereby implement the principle of nuclear deterrence. That's why it needs to be revived.
          1. clidon
            clidon 26 February 2014 18: 50
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            So it will be in wartime, and this will significantly reduce the secrecy of the complex. This is not a car - which can be hidden even under the trees - this is a hefty train that moves along relatively few paths from which it cannot turn. Of course, there are tunnels, but their number is relatively small - once I identified the location and the next few hours, you can fairly accurately predict the location of the train with subsequent reconnaissance and destruction. The security of the BZHRK from being hit by nuclear weapons is even lower than that of "rocket" cars.
            In general, even in Soviet times, the meaning of the BZHRK was not that they were more secretive than PGRK, but that they could carry heavier complexes. Which is not yet and is not expected.
            1. Vesnjanka
              Vesnjanka 26 February 2014 20: 14
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              It may be so, but we are now talking about the future of the BZHRK, and we endow it with the qualities and characteristics of the past complex. We can very roughly assume the appearance or performance characteristics of the BZHRK that is being created now. There is little data in open sources. Kaggritsa, "we'll see!" I saw the old one once ... and then from afar ...
              1. clidon
                clidon 26 February 2014 20: 33
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                I'm talking about the future complex, which, judging by what was reported, will be sculpted on the "poplar" base. I'm talking about the fundamental shortcomings of the BZHRK system.
                And of course, time will tell - I personally hope that the "railway theme", having exerted its political effect, will quietly honor it.
  28. Platov
    Platov 26 February 2014 14: 27
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    The technical documentation was outdated the day when a drawing was deployed at the plant and the design bureau received a new technical task. They are new to Yuzhny, because they have not been making new missiles for so many years that they have forgotten how this missile looks and what the ego is eating. The rocket is made by a hundred people, not more, and the rest are office plankton, which in this matter will be brought together as much as the hand giving the control center will allow. So there is no need for the mass export of specialists speaking surzhik, except for a couple of three technologists, they are not dense old people.
  29. Vesnjanka
    Vesnjanka 26 February 2014 15: 23
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    BZHRK has much more prospects in Russia than in any other country. In Russia, there is an extensive railway network with a high intensity of freight traffic, a good track width, which makes it possible to give the heavy train and the launcher itself additional stability with a relatively high center of gravity. Climatic conditions - a large number of foggy and cloudy days in most of the territory of Russia makes it difficult for satellite monitoring of movement along the railway tracks. The presence of a large number of tunnels on the Zabaikalskaya, Baikal-Amurskaya, Krasnoyarskaya and other roads makes it possible for additional camouflage and protection against PFYA. The favorable location of many roads in hard-to-reach sparsely populated areas far from the oceans is an advantage that other nuclear powers do not have .... "-And we will create a structure!" - said Andrey Bashkirtsev in "The Taming of Fire."
  30. voliador
    voliador 26 February 2014 22: 12
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    Such things should be exclusively yours. And in general, our country can provide itself with any weapon. It is only necessary to put 15 years for bribes and kickbacks, with confiscation - and not only in the defense industry things will go faster.
  31. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 27 February 2014 02: 04
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    At one time, research work was carried out at the Research Institute of Heat Engineering, which showed that the combat stability of our missile group requires two types of missiles: heavy and light. Therefore, the new Sarmat ICBM, assigned to the heavy class, is being developed.
    What is known from Sarmat. The rocket, referred to in the Western classification as SS-X-30, should replace Satan. Co-developers - GRTS them. Makeeva (Miass) and NGO Engineering (Reutov). Starting weight of the liquid two-stage “Sarmat” is about 100 t, range according to the task 10 000 km, cast weight 4350 kg.
    It is supposed to use technologies and even ready-made units of liquid land and sea-based missiles. So, as the engine of the first stage, it is possible to use a rocket engine from a sea missile (SLBM) R-29РМУ2 "Sineva", which is armed with an RPNSN Ave. 667BRDM "Dolphin". And for the role of the engine for the stage of breeding combat units, the corresponding unit from the SLBM R-39UTTH "Bark", which was made to equip the rkkSN Ave. 955 "Borey", is considered.
    Covering silos with "Sarmatians" is supposed to be active protection complexes. So, work on the KAZ "Mozyr" was resumed. The complex shoots a cloud of metal arrows and balls with a diameter of 30 mm towards the approaching ammunition (including warheads of ICBMs). The salvo contains 40 thousand striking elements, their initial speed is 1,8 km / s, the throw height is up to 6 km.
    Work on "Mozyr" was suspended at the turn of the millennium, but before that had time to carry out tests, during which at the Kura training ground a combat unit was successfully shot down ... of the same P-36М2.