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Concept of relative truth

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In order to understand what is happening in our country, as well as in countries close to us in terms of mentality, it is necessary to understand some cultural principles. I do not pretend to the accuracy and scientific nature of the text. This is just a note of the inhabitant. Let us turn our attention to a certain concept of "relative truth."


By truth in this article, I mean the concept of justice. Consider the following hypothesis. It is inherent to our people to evaluate the same fact differently in different contexts.

Example. You are traveling with your friend by car. A friend at the wheel. He drank a little - one or two glasses of light beer. For unhurried movement through the empty night city from the bar to the house, this fact does not seem dangerous to you. You drive up to the intersection and talk a little with a friend. The presence of a red traffic light you two notice too late. And from the green direction leaves the old "Moskvich" with his grandfather, who no longer has a good reaction and simply does not have time to assess the danger. Squeal of brakes, and you slightly fly into the grandfather in the rear right wing. Grandfather calls traffic police. Peaceful disassembly. The fact of drunk traffic police does not notice and does not offer to undergo an examination. Time passes. The grandfather is paid a good amount of repair through the insurance company. But in the process of obtaining certificates, the grandfather learns from the traffic police that you have not even been tested for alcohol. And he remembers the smell perfectly. Trials are initiated. You are called as a witness. And ask if your friend drank? Well, what can I say ... Grandfather got his money, they made auto repair to him, and your friend even stopped by to ask him if everything was alright. Of course, did not drink. Go understand this old marazmatik, what else does he need. So the absolute majority of readers will answer.

All the same situation. Only at a crossroads a friend knocks down a little girl crossing the road. She is in serious condition. Your friend once felt very cold about the situation. No visits, no apologies to parents, no help to the victim. You do not understand him. And here again they want to establish the fact of drinking alcohol, without having bothered to do everything on time. You are asked. Drank? The question is not simple. At this point, readers will begin to ask: what kind of friend? What if he is just a friend or acquaintance who means nothing. Readers will say that you need to talk with a friend, why do not you help? In general, these are different situations! Most of the others will otmazhet, more precisely, will not make him worse. To bring the child to red is a criminal offense, and so he is not sweet.

This is a simple example where the same offense causes us to have a different assessment. After all, the fact remains a fact. Drank. But the justice with which we measure daily life is different in different cases. A survey was conducted in various countries. The survey asked to evaluate two such situations. In Western countries, the number of people who “betrayed” a friend was quite large, but less than half. In Russia, in the first situation, a friend “passed” a few percent. But the main thing is not this, we know these bourgeois beating at each other. In the survey of Western countries, the difference in the number of "those who passed" in the first and the number of "those who passed" in the second case was a few percent. In Russia, the number of “betrayers” in the second situation has increased significantly.

This is a property of our mentality. The subjectivity of truth and justice. We always consider the situation in context and almost never as a fact. Slaughtered a Russian girl from the Caucasus - tear to pieces! Shot in the eggs of the same guy the father of the girl through 5 years. Justify, or soften. And the people will begin to justify. The investigator will qualify the crime as less strictly as possible. Doctors will try to prove the state of affect, even 5 years after the death of his daughter. All who will be involved in the mechanism of the investigation, even at the subconscious level will help the father. But there and there, and there is cold-blooded murder.

What does this lead to?

I have a friend of the activists of the “swamp” opposition. I am a person of more moderate views, and Navalny stopped believing a long time ago. We constantly argue with him about politics. He makes me a selection of any posts about crooks and thieves. Confirms that the government should not steal. All plant, a revolution in the masses, and it does not matter for whose money the holiday. The main thing that they, the tip, lived by the law. I ask him: “Are you downloading movies and music from a torrent?” He answers: “Yes.” I say, can you have licensed software on your computer at home, “Windows”, “office”? No, he says. Pirate all. Well, so you steal too! And here begins an interesting logical metamorphosis. With film and music publishers, people are crap, everything should be free. Microsoft is generally an evil corporation, unworthy of its money. And the most important thing is that a small thin kid with such eyes (/ 0_0 \) in an orphanage who did not receive money stolen by a fat, shiny official of one famous party, does not suffer from the actions of my friend.

Thus, one little thief advocates and even wants some kind of peaceful revolution, struggling with major and "important" theft. It does not happen. More precisely, it happens, but leads to nothing. As soon as the little thief gets the opportunity to steal more, he will come up with a thousand fair excuses for himself. And if you listen to him later, sitting at a table in a cafe, in a friendly atmosphere, he will even convince you. What 200 thousand rubles. on training the daughter from the budget is fair, and much less than they are stealing up there. And so on. To the credit of my fellow oppositionist, he switched to Linux, started watching movies in cinemas and even tries not to cross the street to a red light. I'm serious.

How to live with it

Similar to our behavior explains a lot. This behavior even gives us additional degrees of freedom. After all, you will be protected from the consequences if you act illegally, but fairly. In this sense, Russia is a much freer country than the West. And kebabs you can freely eat at the river, and drink quietly in the park, and pee in the city center, toilets, bastards, did not put! But this behavior is a powerful foundation for pervasive corruption at all levels. That is why corruption in our country is not a phenomenon of the system, as in Europe. This is our mental phenomenon, pledged culturally.

What to do with it

We want to live like in Europe. So without bribes, clean, beautiful. I agree. I want it too. But in order to get closer to this, we need to respect the law. Perform it in fact, not according to personal evaluation. Stop dividing laws into fair ones and those that “do not suit me”. Everybody. Not only "this, above." This is not youthful maximalism. This is the platform from which we must build, to which we must strive. Idea.

It was funny to hear from the taxi driver what they are all there on Rublevka, in Barvikha and in the Kremlin "n *% ^% sy." And then listen to how he boasts that he screwed infrared reflectors instead of bolts holding a car number. To his camera is not photographed on the public transport strip. He was sure that the strip was taken away from the drivers unfairly. We talked very passionately with him, I told him the same thing that I explain in this text. He reluctantly agreed with the basic statement that everyone should live by the law. And I asked: “Are you ready to live like this? So that everything is legally and otherwise? ”

He seriously wondered if he was ready. After all, now it is much easier.

PS A natural question arises. And what to do when the laws are really and objectively unfair? When, using the performance of citizens, some individuals are greatly enriched? This is a matter of separate discussion, but not the following. First you need to understand the concept of responsibility. What I will do if readers will be interested.
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  1. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 24 February 2014 14: 52
    +16
    some thieves want to profit at the expense of other thieves. Janek was caught up with portfolios already being sold, min fin, customs and other posts. Class
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 24 February 2014 15: 22
      +5
      A little off topic, but I agree.
      You might think that they came crystal-honest, they were never at the helm (and at the trough). The most-most law-abiding.
      1. queen
        queen 24 February 2014 15: 34
        +2
        Quote: inkass_98
        The most-most law-abiding.

        the great one has a problem ..... 140 million ....
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 15: 53
          +15
          The author is just fine! So simply, briefly and clearly laid out the topic that I consistently uphold in this forum ... Bravo. The relativity of the perception of such a thing as justice / legality !!! - this is the most part of the problem, change your thinking and explain it to others, and the world around you will begin to change. And if the process does not stop, then perhaps through a generation the moral level of the citizens of the Russian Federation will be equal to the level of the beginning of the 50x-60x years - and this, I think, is the top!
          1. nikcris
            nikcris 24 February 2014 16: 56
            -11%
            You are far beyond 90, which allows you to judge the moral character of citizens of the 50s? In this case, too, your verses without a psychiatrist and a notary will not be accepted - the law is this. True, true, you dig, but better - try. At this age, you can’t officially sell crutches without a psychiatrist crying
            PS To me, of course, not so much as to you, but I remember how Brezhnev easily and naturally merged Khrushchev's slogan: "Our generation will live under communism" into "Communism will win!"
            Feel the difference wassat
            And the citizens who put the minus, please get involved in the controversy and clarify the point of view. At the same time thrusting me a place of wrong.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 17: 02
              +10
              Quote: nikcris
              You are far beyond 90, which allows you to judge the moral character of citizens of the 50's?


              It is enough to look at the films that were shot in those days and the people who lived in those times, when money was not the main value, and Kalashnikov is a prime example!
              1. nikcris
                nikcris 24 February 2014 17: 18
                0
                Have you seen "If tomorrow is war", "Deep Raid"? There's even more ...
                But what about Kalashnikov? He was classified in 50-60-70-80's and not many knew about his natural existence.
                1. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 19: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: nikcris
                  But what about Kalashnikov? He was classified in 50-60-70-80's and not many knew about his natural existence.


                  What's the difference? We are talking about life values, not about weapons development.
                2. Mature naturalist
                  Mature naturalist 24 February 2014 19: 15
                  +2
                  Reading the article I remembered the word: "Utopia"
                  Helped the Internet to refresh knowledge
                  It turns out symbolically the book was called:
                  Thomas More - "The Golden Book, as useful as it is funny about the best state system and the new island of Utopia»

            2. tasey
              tasey 24 February 2014 19: 48
              0
              Do you have a "no bo-bo" head? I didn't put in a minus just because I didn't understand ANYTHING from your "opus". Hand over the computer to junk and do not shine over trifles
          2. Dmitry Toderes
            Dmitry Toderes 24 February 2014 18: 03
            +1
            The top does not exist. The inner world of man is unlimited as well as the universe surrounding him.
          3. Gregazov
            Gregazov 24 February 2014 18: 39
            +5
            There has never been justice in Russia, but there has been mercy. Now, under the guise of justice, an attempt is made to destroy mercy. Humanity could never live according to the laws, at all times the laws were violated. For a man created by God free, slavish regulation of behavior by law is impossible. In this case, a person loses his freedom, his personality and turns into a gray mass of robots. The highest criterion for a person should be his spirituality and morality. For lovers of a knocking west, I propose to reread Les Miserable Hugo, in which the archbishop Christianly justifies the law of a fugitive convict. This act was made in a spirit understandable to us, Russian. But this is not a national, but a Christian spirit, which, unfortunately, remained only in Russia and is incomprehensible to the author of the article.
          4. cdrt
            cdrt 24 February 2014 19: 07
            -1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            The author is just fine! So simply, briefly and clearly laid out the topic that I consistently uphold in this forum ... Bravo. The relativity of the perception of such a thing as justice / legality !!! - that’s the main part of the problem, change your thinking and explain it to others, and the world around you will begin to change. And if the process does not stop, then perhaps in a generation the moral level of the citizens of the Russian Federation will be equal to the level of the beginning of the 50s and 60s - and this, I think, is the top!


            I think, in many ways, our relativity is connected with the persecution of Christianity in the 20th century.
            Let me explain - I lived in the USA for a long time, respectively, many American friends.
            Of very different origin, mainly from the most ordinary families, are not aristocrats, not homeless people.
            So - it was a revelation for me how many ordinary ordinary people do not do something with them, "because it is bad." Of course, this is not about crimes, but about the attitude towards ordinary actions. The main thing is sometimes the very explanation "because it is bad" was surprised.

            Much more than I have ever encountered in the Russian Federation (in our country, thanks to our "relativity of justice", sometimes people do not react to what is bad, considering the harm done).

            Moreover, the vast majority are strictly religious, or at least strong believers.

            Perhaps this is just a graphic illustration of what FM Dostoevsky said "if there is no God, then everything is permitted."
            But in our country the concept of God was coined for a long, long time from everyday life - the intelligentsia began before the revolution, then the Bolsheviks.
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 25 February 2014 01: 07
              -1
              Quote: cdrt
              “If there is no God, then everything is permitted.” And in our country the concept of God was taken out of everyday life for a long, long time - the intelligentsia began before the revolution, then the Bolsheviks.

              Going to Sunday sermons and believing are slightly different things. It is not God forbidding to throw garbage out the window, throw a cigarette butt on the landing or spit on the sidewalk, but an internal feeling of the incorrectness and inadmissibility of these actions. And this sensation appears only with proper upbringing in the family, in conjunction with a public orientation towards the approval of a standard of behavior accepted in society and the censure of violators of this standard.
              But the indifference and selfishness that are so persistently cultivated in our current society leave very little chance for this inner sensation to appear and grow into something more, a sense of justice, without which the law will remain a purely relative phenomenon.
          5. SPACE
            SPACE 24 February 2014 20: 41
            +1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            The author is just fine! So simply, briefly and clearly laid out the topic that I consistently uphold on this forum ...

            I've been here for a year already proving the senselessness and idiocy of Navalnov's statements. And in the USSR, many dragged, what they could because of their profession and access, without unnecessary questions and remorse, and the OBKhSS had a lot of work. There is a society law prohibiting stealing, the law is not a fence, and you cannot put a controller over each. The last barrier is conscience, and with the last one strained, in a new era, in pursuit of money, fools and conscience also made a commodity. Society, people and their quality, the foundation for everything, that's the power that grows out of such a society, so is it worth surprising the consequences. The little man - small opportunities - stole a little, the opportunities grew - and the jackpot grew, so everything begins with the little things ... Recently, the respected Mart posted an article about firewood and electricity, where everyone was very indignant and accused the authorities of stealing ... to Martha's indignation, he, the same outrages, advised him to "make friends with the counter", laughter laughter, but with such trifles "profitable" friendships begin!
            Z.Y. The article does not reflect one nuance, in reality life is not discrete, but much more complicated, sometimes the law and conscience can be opposite ...
          6. aksakal
            aksakal 24 February 2014 20: 55
            +1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            The author is just fine! So simply, briefly and clearly laid out the topic that I consistently uphold in this forum ... Bravo. The relativity of the perception of such a thing as justice / legality !!! - this is the most part of the problem, change your thinking and explain it to others, and the world around you will begin to change
            - I agree. The funny thing is that in Kazakhstan there is about the same mentality that the author of SABZH described. And it's even funnier that those Russophobes who occupied Kiev are carriers of exactly the same mentality. They dream of the West only in the part about the standard of living, and the West in the part that "the law is the same for all" - they are not interested, because does not reflect justice, or rather, there are laws that are not entirely fair and therefore not enforceable-))) laughing
            I think so. The western path does not suit us. We copy the Constitution and, in general, the institutional structure of the state in the West, while at the same time mentally differ sharply from the West. So it turns out that "mom does not fit dad," as the plumber Afonya used to say. Exit? We must not change mentally, but adapt the institutional structure of the state for ourselves. Are there any forum users from Azerbaijan here? Where is Alibek? So I wanted to find out first-hand - there are rumors that the work of the precinct officers there was adapted to the "eastern mentality". That is, they legalized the monetary fees of the precinct officers from entrepreneurs on their site. The dachshunds have become sparing, while the district policeman stands up for the interests of those who pay him. What the hell would a retailer try to cover up there, or who of the other "control" bodies illegally check the business .... Is that true?
            However, I do not dispute - perhaps this is wrong, such a construction of the work of the precinct. It’s just that SAJ raised the question in a rather interesting way, or rather, observation is interesting, but the author’s conclusions aren’t very much - in short, changing, then the laws will work, we will become cold, prim Anglo-Saxons. Well, let the author of the SABJ himself become, and even better - a suitcase, a train station, London ... For me - but for some reason, such an institutional arrangement the state is taken as a standard, like an English business suit, and we don’t even dare discuss it! And here I am the first to ask the question - why not even experiment in thoughts? Moreover, in Azerbaijan, not in thoughts, but a little in kind, experimented, and warmed, good results ... If this is true, why not? I urge the site’s administration to return to this topic in the future, since within the framework of one discussion of this interesting issue we will not get results - we scratched our tongue, posted 200 posts, put up the pros and cons and forgot ... But the question is really very interesting.
            There, the Japanese adapted the economy to their mental habits. To remain faithful to his boss was the main valor of the samurai, spilled over into the loyalty of his corporation. Note that the Japanese did not break themselves under a thread of a reference economic device, but adapted the economic device for themselves ... In general, the network is something to think about, which is what I urge you to -))))
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          8. the polar
            the polar 24 February 2014 21: 08
            +1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            The author is just fine! So simply, briefly and clearly laid out the topic that I consistently uphold in this forum ... Bravo. The relativity of the perception of such a thing as justice / legality !!! - this is the most part of the problem, change your thinking and explain it to others, and the world around you will begin to change. And if the process does not stop, then perhaps through a generation the moral level of the citizens of the Russian Federation will be equal to the level of the beginning of the 50x-60x years - and this, I think, is the top!

            But do not you think that your expectations are aimless, because you don’t know why you expect that the moral level of capitalist society will catch up with the moral level of Soviet man of the 50-s. Do you think that Stalin and Chubais are equally moral?
          9. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 25 February 2014 00: 49
            0
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            The relativity of the perception of such a thing as justice / legality !!!

            And what to do ... Look, grandfather Kant doesn’t even have objective reality ... for reality is known only through perception, and it, if you do not say it, is subjective.
            And nothing can be done about it ... Legality, it is a phenomenon of the objective world (that is, as the principle of the real effect of law in the state, in which state bodies, officials and citizens strictly abide by legal norms) is not possible at all, because once it is recognized as the phenomenon through the perception of an individual person is immediately evaluated through the prism of justice ... and the understanding of justice is that ... everyone has their own, despite all the efforts of society, with its morality and other collective values ​​...
          10. CTEPX
            CTEPX 25 February 2014 03: 57
            +1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            The author is just fine!

            And the author bothered me with this:
            ...corruption in our country is not a phenomenon of the system, as in Europe. This is our mental phenomenon, culturally embedded.
            It seems that all the previous ones are correct, and with a claim to justification, phrases are written for the sake of this one - false and unprovable)).
            1. danilatrg
              25 February 2014 11: 20
              +1
              Very unpleasant line. Smells like "fifth column" propaganda. Or introspection. You decide.
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 25 February 2014 12: 15
                0
                Quote: danilatrg
                Very unpleasant line. Smells like "fifth column" propaganda. Or introspection. You decide.

                Corruption is, in principle, unusual for us)). It is introduced to us daily, as a means of managing our elites at our expense. Even the word bribery means, first of all, the absence of the Russian order and justice.
                Try to analyze your statement with the help of your declared "subjectivity of truth and justice" and you will refute that "... corruption ... is our cultural phenomenon."
                1. danilatrg
                  25 February 2014 13: 15
                  0
                  Thank you for your opinion.
      2. a52333
        a52333 24 February 2014 19: 06
        +3
        Figs with him, which is not the topic, the topic is good. I do not agree with another:
        We want to live like in Europe. To without bribes, clean, beautiful.

        In Europe and the states do not steal and do not take bribes? Well, in FIG, recently a corruption scandal with the sale of arms to Greece, Berlusconi, but they have the SAME FIGURY there, just their own, and it's sweeter.
      3. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... 24 February 2014 20: 20
        -1
        I think just the same in the subject ... After all, in essence, what is meant by the definition of "European" lifestyle, thinking? Honesty, orderliness, philanthropy, etc ...
        These are written truths, long differing from the realities of our time ...
        You look at the Maidan, which has gathered leaps and bounds in Europe! Nothing to do with the above!
        We want to live like in Europe ... So that without bribes, clean, beautiful ... But in order to get closer to this, we need to respect the law. Perform it in fact, and not according to personal assessment.
        So it was necessary to wait for the elections! And according to the letter of the law, choose the one who will be chosen! And not to turn one of the most beautiful cities in Ukraine into a cattle stall!
      4. samoletil18
        samoletil18 24 February 2014 21: 01
        0
        Quote: inkass_98
        crystal honest, at the helm

        So that the subjects do not break the law, those in power are obliged to honor it (the law) and observe it even without a hint of the opposite.
    2. queen
      queen 24 February 2014 15: 32
      +1
      Quote: platitsyn70
      some thieves want to profit from

      RUSSIAN not ... anyone can sell, but conscience is not practical.
    3. the polar
      the polar 24 February 2014 16: 24
      -11%
      Quote: platitsyn70
      some thieves want to profit at the expense of other thieves. Janek was caught up with portfolios already being sold, min fin, customs and other posts. Class

      The author, probably a pastor from some Baptist Protestant sect, decided to read a free sermon, they say, before denouncing the criminal oligarchy and the corrupt bureaucracy serving them, try to live without sin yourself, for having sinned even in little, do you have the right to condemn your neighbor (under " neighbors "means some oligarch or governor living on the Cote d'Azur). To be honest, these bigots and hypocrites who are trying to equate downloading from a torrent with the plundering by a bunch of criminals of a multi-trillion national treasure that once belonged to the entire Soviet people, have been oozed by these bigots and hypocrites.
      The author of the article is not so much minus but the aspen stake in the ass, for selfish groveling and deceitful hypocrisy.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 24 February 2014 17: 55
        +3
        For incontinence minus.
        For rudeness and rudeness minus.
        For the image of the truth of the last resort minus.
        For "myopia" minus.
        If not a teenager, then seeing the world in black and white is also a minus.
        Here I put 1 minus for obvious reasons, but I put minus on any subsequent sayings without reading. Bo such fabrications do not lead to good, Ukraine has already shown all this by its own example.
      2. danilatrg
        24 February 2014 18: 05
        0
        Thanks for the very lively comment :)
    4. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 24 February 2014 16: 24
      +4
      Stop dividing laws into fair ones and those that “don't suit me.” To everyone. Not just “this, above.”

      All right. BEGIN WITH YOURSELF!
      1. Ulus5
        Ulus5 24 February 2014 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: Sacmagon
        Everything is correct. BEGIN WITH YOURSELF!

        Already started long ago. And to the point. Like a white crow. Everyone around is stealing and fattening.
        Oh, if I could live without money. Live, not exist.
        1. tasey
          tasey 24 February 2014 19: 51
          -1
          Man is a mistake of nature. Therefore, no one believes in their own gods. Be it Allah, Christ, Buddha ... And it is ridiculous to complain that you do not know how to grab
    5. cdrt
      cdrt 24 February 2014 18: 42
      +3
      By the way, it's a good question about licensed software.
      I myself did this mental exercise 3-4 years ago and decided that I did not give bribes to the traffic police and I buy software.
      Bribes to traffic policemen - actually paying fines is officially cheaper - they are of course angry when you say right away - yes, you violated, let's draw up a protocol. They write the maximum fines, but ... for 3 years - 2100r. I paid fines through Sberbank. This is 90 km.
      About software - yes, you can really find a bunch of places where you can buy with discounts. For example, MS Office, which is sold for $ 400, can be bought legally for 40 - you really need to track all kinds of promotions.
    6. cdrt
      cdrt 24 February 2014 18: 58
      0
      In fact, if you teach the theory of state and law, there is an interesting topic there - how a norm becomes a law. Incl. and why laws always become the norm.
      If, in general, the law is perceived by society as unjust, incorrectly regulating a certain area of ​​life, society will not accept this law and will not execute it. Although law enforcement officers and law enforcement officers will be charged with monitoring its implementation. Those. since they themselves will consider it unjust, there will be room for corruption, which will exist with the consensus of the whole society.
      It is another matter when the law fixes the established practice or is perceived by society as justly regulating the corresponding sphere of life. Then the violation will already be perceived as an offense.
      However, if we take the laws of the "first type" - then the society and the laws of the "second type" will be perceived as unjust.
      Actually, if we remember that up to half of the population of Russia were not so long ago historically serfs, then it is clear that most of the laws were perceived as historically unfair.
      Moreover, after the revolution, the collapse of the law and norms that were characteristic of many generations began - one "robbing the plundered" is worth it - when most of the poor, lumpenized population, hiding behind "class" slogans, considered it normal to rob more successful, educated, wealthy citizens.
      As a result, the attitude towards law is sometimes similar to that which is in American blacks towards it - law = violence and the imposition of alien rules.

      In other words, today the self-consciousness of a large part of Russians in relation to the law is nihilistic.
      What to do about it:
      - well, probably general propaganda of life according to the law (at all levels, including by example from the authorities)
      - a fair trial (which judges only for the violation and in accordance with its severity)
      - complication and lengthening of the procedures for adopting laws related to the regulation of newly emerged relations, a real parliament, and not an enraged printer, which, as you know, "is not a place for discussion."
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    8. Stalker
      Stalker 24 February 2014 19: 16
      +1
      Yaneka has already caught up with the portfolios being sold, the Ministry of Finance, the customs office and other positions. Class

      Only late did it come to the opposition! The position that the KING IS NAKED !!!! Everybody stole money. And answer him as an extreme. The vaunted State Department promised him a corridor in the toilet (to flush out). Right now, Obama has forgotten about it. Why remember? - It is done !! Well, the "leaders" do not want to learn from other people's mistakes !!
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 24 February 2014 20: 38
        +3
        Quote: Stalker
        ! Well, the "leaders" do not want to learn from other people's mistakes !!

        Yanukovych, like that mantis mating with a female, knew that he would be used and devoured, but still stubbornly made concessions to the West. And now, guard, I've been deceived! Who needs you now, that's it, the mating has passed, everyone is happy (except for Yanukovych).
    9. starshina78
      starshina78 24 February 2014 19: 37
      +2
      There is a good proverb: “If you want to know a person, give him power.” As for the article, it is philosophical and makes you think. And at the same time correct! That the "bogs", that the "Maidanists" are the same people who are striving for power in order to steal under the guise of a position. This change of power in Ukraine is nothing more than a fight between two gangs of thieves, one of which is stolen, and the other gets nothing. That's all . But it turns out that "the gentlemen are fighting, but the forelocks of the slaves are cracking!"
    10. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 24 February 2014 19: 47
      +2
      Quote: platitsyn70
      some thieves want to profit at the expense of other thieves. Janek was caught up with portfolios already being sold, min fin, customs and other posts. Class

      The revolution is made by romantics, and the results are used ............ Guess yourself who?
      1. Black
        Black 24 February 2014 20: 37
        -1
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        The romantics make the revolution

        The phrase is outdated, and was it true !!!

        Who is this romantic - Lenin, Zasulich, Krasin, Radek, Tyagnibok, the Nazis from the Maidan?
        The half-witted boxer, also a romantic?
        The revolution was made by cynics.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 24 February 2014 21: 14
          0
          Quote: Chen
          The revolution was made by cynics.

          - but the results are still used by overcynics laughing laughing Of those about whom the mother proudly spoke in her voice, "that wars begin and end exclusively at the request of her sons." laughing I will not specify what kind of mother she is and what kind of super-cynical ethnos she is, it doesn't matter, but what is important is that now the next stage should begin - the purge of applicants for the fruits of the revolution. The very stage when the revolution begins to eat its heroes. Why did Robespierre die? Didn't the revolutionary ice ax overtake the main Russian revolutionary in Mexico?
          Gentlemen, we open a bookmaker and start placing bets. Which of these Ukrainian spiders: Tyagniboka, Klitschko and the Yatsenyuk-Tymoshenko bloc will survive and what methods of political destruction of the enemy will be used?
    11. stillrat
      stillrat 25 February 2014 17: 29
      0
      I was very surprised if it was different
  2. ikken
    ikken 24 February 2014 15: 05
    +10
    The article is correct. Until everyone begins to comply with all anti-corruption laws, you can not even remember.
    1. Mr. Gambu4aS
      Mr. Gambu4aS 24 February 2014 15: 13
      +9
      Everything is correct, but it’s just that all this must come from above, conditions must be created for them to start, so that evading laws was not profitable, as was the example in the article about toilets, if they are not in the center of the city and it makes sense for me to piss ?
      1. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 24 February 2014 15: 51
        +3
        Speaking of public toilets, we don't have them at all in the regional city.
        1. danilatrg
          24 February 2014 16: 06
          +3
          Colleagues on how to install toilets - in the next article :)
      2. RND
        RND 25 February 2014 04: 52
        +1
        Quote: Mr. Gambu4aS
        Everything is correct, but it’s just that all this must come from above, conditions must be created for them to start, so that evading laws was not profitable, as was the example in the article about toilets, if they are not in the center of the city and it makes sense for me to piss ?


        What's the problem ?! Go and ASK to a movie theater, pharmacy, store, etc. The main thing is to make such a face! lol
    2. vo.dum
      vo.dum 24 February 2014 15: 18
      +10
      So they do not give ... you will not anoint you will not go ... under the current system, you cannot demand from everyone that all the laws are observed, for me socialism was better ... it seems to me that you have to live according to your conscience, observing simple commandments ... and you won't be mistaken. ..
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 15: 56
        +5
        Quote: Mr. Gambu4aS
        Everything is correct, but it’s just that all this must come from above, conditions must be created for them to start, so that evading laws was not profitable, as was the example in the article about toilets, if they are not in the center of the city and it makes sense for me to piss ?


        You are very similar to the taxi driver from the example above. All someone should or should not vice versa.

        I park like HAM - because there aren’t enough free parking, and I don’t want to pay 100 rubles.

        I steal at the factory - because I’m just a little bit and out of necessity, and not that those officials are furious with fat.

        Government is a mirror of the people / society. And not the other way around.

        The fish rots from the head, and the head in this case is just what the government and the country as a whole do not make sense - its PEOPLE!
        1. the polar
          the polar 24 February 2014 16: 34
          -7
          Quote: sledgehammer102


          The fish rots from the head, and the head in this case is just what the government and the country as a whole do not make sense - its PEOPLE!

          It means that the Russian people are rotten, you alone are a righteous man shining from a heap of shit with your radiant halo. And where did you communize him with this "insignia", what saint drove him to you, on the cheap?
          1. tanit
            tanit 24 February 2014 16: 55
            0
            Not a big question, but there were some "Shtepsel" and "Tarapunka" - they were with "thieves" (ie - thieves), even when television, and not just televisions, was mostly black and white, and what country they lived in ? hi
            1. tanit
              tanit 24 February 2014 16: 57
              0
              A quote from "T" and "W": Through our checkpoint I will carry my own mother too.
          2. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 17: 03
            +4
            Quote: Polar
            It means that the Russian people are rotten, you alone are a righteous man shining from a heap of shit with your radiant halo. And where did you communize him with this "insignia", what saint drove him to you, on the cheap?


            My righteousness or its absence does not change the thesis ... And you are a vivid example of this
        2. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 24 February 2014 16: 36
          0
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          The fish rots from the head, and the head in this case is just what the government and the country as a whole do not make sense - its PEOPLE!

          everything seems logical, if the people are the head, then the officials are the belly, and the fat in the head is not deposited, it stretches closer to the stomach, the slogan must be altered - "the fish rots from the belly"
        3. Mr. Gambu4aS
          Mr. Gambu4aS 24 February 2014 16: 51
          +1
          You are rewriting my words, while you are writing an example where the driver can get out of the current situation, but violates them, I did not say that there is a paid toilet next to it, but I will squeeze 20p and piss a house next to it, well, okay, let's piss in the center city, but the law did not break, so I am decent and law-abiding. I am wondering how you will behave if God forbid, let's say your acquaintance became bad and in order to help him (save his life) you need to bribe the chapters. to the district hospital doctor, will you be law-abiding in this situation? And there is no need here about the people, it's not about the people!
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 17: 09
            -1
            Quote: Mr. Gambu4aS
            You overshoot my words, while you write an example where the driver can get out of this situation, but violates them, I didn’t say that there is a paid toilet nearby, but I press 20r and piss a nearby house, well, let’s say I pissed in the center cities, but I didn’t break the law, so here I am decent and law-abiding.


            It is difficult to find a city where it is impossible to cope with the need for walking distance, the benefit of the McDonalds is everywhere full, and administrative buildings like mushrooms.

            And you write that the top should set an example for you, and if they don’t do this, then you can do the same.

            Quote: Mr. Gambu4aS
            I’m interested in how you will behave if, God forbid, let your acquaintances become ill and in order to help him (save his life) you need to give a bribe to the heads. to the doctor of the district hospital, will you be law-abiding in this situation? And do not here about the people, it's not about the people!

            What kind of situation is it that in such serious cases, doctors do not provide assistance?
            And let's be honest, with our imagination you can pick up three four situations, where you can go for a take-off and breaking the law, and the remaining millions of situations will not fit this.
            1. PANZER
              PANZER 24 February 2014 20: 41
              +2
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              What kind of situation is it that in such serious cases, doctors do not provide assistance?

              For example, this: My mother has stage 4 cancer, when the second was revealed, after 3 months she was discharged from the dispensary with the fourth. Inoperable, chemotherapy does not help, it only gets worse, was treated according to the protocol (who does not know, this is such a study, experimental drugs from abroad, you sign an agreement like I ask you not to blame anyone if anything and all that). Then the protocol was refused. From the regional dispensary, they were sent to the onco clinic at the place of residence. There is such a drug ERESSA. You can google it costs about 100000, it does not heal, it just prolongs life. The polyclinic said there was no money, but they did not give an official refusal. Again, there is no money in the regional one either. In short, football began. I connected all my friends and acquaintances. Gave money to get on the collateral list. The mother is now receiving medicine.

              I mean, situations are different. What would you do in my case?
              1. Denis Tatar
                Denis Tatar 24 February 2014 20: 49
                +2
                you did everything right, I buried my wife's mother yesterday (I held on for 2 years, well done) live, and you have to get out, here is the human law, not paper
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        4. cdrt
          cdrt 25 February 2014 00: 52
          0
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          The fish rots from the head, and the head in this case is just what the government and the country as a whole do not make sense - its PEOPLE!


          well no. all the same, the proverb speaks precisely of the head, of power.
          people are more like a body, in the sense of a person as a whole
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 25 February 2014 03: 56
            +1
            Quote: cdrt
            well no. all the same, the proverb speaks precisely of the head, of power.
            people are more like a body, in the sense of a person as a whole


            The one who invented this proverb focusing on power just wanted to justify himself. I am stealing and the government is to blame for this, as it began ... just like children
            1. Mr. Gambu4aS
              Mr. Gambu4aS 25 February 2014 08: 55
              -1
              How stubborn you are! They tell you that you cannot build a house without a foundation, i.e. create conditions for the construction of the above-ground part (this is a metaphor! otherwise you do not understand well!)
    3. vlad0
      vlad0 24 February 2014 16: 02
      +7
      Correct, but again, everything is relative. For 25 years we have been taught that we need to "spin", "be smart", "take an active life position", etc., that is, they taught us simply to deceive and steal. If in Soviet times it was a shame to steal a box of something from an enterprise and sell it, now it is a normal phenomenon, and most do not understand when you can do it and do not do it.
      It is necessary to change the very ideology, the background surrounding us. We must start by fighting for the minds of our children. On TV, for example, a working person should take the first roles, and not glamorous fools and pretentious freaks from “House-2” and “comedy club.” A manager of any level should be associated not with corruption and a beautiful life, but with the team and achievements.
      In the meantime, a whole generation of "consumers" has been raised, which knows only "Give" and "I need", and in what ways, it does not matter. And go to the red light, and pee in the yard, and steal a million of the budget - they need to! And in these minds the thought "Is it possible otherwise?" Does not come through. Once you have to, then give!
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 24 February 2014 16: 31
        -7
        Quote: vlad0
        For 25 years we have been taught that we need to "spin", "be smart", "take an active life position", etc., that is, they taught us simply to deceive and steal.

        Nonsense!!! am "spinning", "being smart", "taking an active life position" means take the initiative, open a business, move up the career ladder, acquire new skills and abilities!

        And the fact that you preferred to interpret it as a call for theft and deception - Exclusively! Personally! Your problem! It only means that you are not capable of anything more, and your worldview was originally the worldview of infantile and parasite! am

        "Call the fool to pray to God - he will either break his forehead or break the floor!" negative
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 February 2014 17: 02
          +4
          And the cons only confirm my truth !!! am It is the infantiles who minus, it is easier for them to dump all the blame on "Uncle Vasya" than to move them off the couch, and try to become better FOR YOURSELF !!! am

          1. tennis
            tennis 24 February 2014 19: 57
            +5
            Quote: And Us Rat
            And the cons only confirm my truth !!! am It is the infantiles who minus, it is easier for them to dump all the blame on "Uncle Vasya" than to move them off the couch, and try to become better FOR YOURSELF !!! am



            Applicable to Ukraine, I agree with you here. How long the Bandera and the Nazis were opposed by one Berkut, and the east and south of Ukraine peacefully watched the situation and waited to see what would come of it. It turned out what happened, harvest. And there is nothing to make a scapegoat out of Yanukovych, you chose him, and at a difficult moment did not lift a finger. It's too late to wave fists now.
        2. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 24 February 2014 17: 20
          +3
          I agree with you.
          Quote: And Us Rat
          "spinning", "being smart", "taking an active life position"
          - where is there to "steal" ?!
          Quote: And Us Rat
          take the initiative, open a business, move up the career ladder, acquire new skills and abilities!
          - plus to you. hi
        3. Ulus5
          Ulus5 24 February 2014 17: 40
          -4
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Nonsense!!! "spinning", "being smart", "taking an active life position" means taking the initiative, starting a business, moving up the career ladder, acquiring new skills and abilities!

          This is nonsense! And the porridge is solid in my head. All in one heap.
          Category 1. spinning, moving up the career ladder.
          Category 2. show ingenuity, acquire new skills and abilities.
          Category 3.to take an active life position
          Agree the first category with a "smell".
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 February 2014 18: 27
            +2
            Quote: Ulus5
            Agree the first category with a "smell".

            I do not agree !!!am With a smell, for those who have a "smell" in their souls.am
            The easiest way to blame the circumstances is "I'm not a drunk, it's the vodka producers to blame, and I'm not a thief - it's just hard to work honestly". Similar excuses for snotty boys, drones and parasites who have not learned what it means to BE A MAN. No.

            The hard worker and the clever girl will be "spinning" at the expense of her professional skills.
            And the scoundrel will be spinning due to "hooking" and slandering colleagues.


            "Each person sees the world through the lens of HIS OWN depravity"am
            1. Ulus5
              Ulus5 26 February 2014 18: 18
              -2
              Quote: And Us Rat
              The hard worker and the clever girl will be "spinning" at the expense of her professional skills.

              The hard worker will not spin, but work.
              And here:
              1. A careerist will be spinning for the sake of getting a position.
              2. A corrupt person will be spinning for the sake of enrichment and not get on the bunk.
              3. The politician will spin for the sake of preferences.
              4. A businessman (speculator) will spin for profit
              5., etc.
              And everyone will be spinning under capitalism for the sake of the dough. As soon as the worker does not wake up to turn, he wakes up to turn his machine.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 27 February 2014 03: 49
                +1
                Quote: Ulus5
                The hard worker will not spin, but work.

                Hard worker - I mean an energetic, honest, hard-working person who is used to achieving the goal by hard work, and not "by pull", and no matter what he does. And you have a minus for what you measure by yourself, you have listed - what you would have done in their place. am
      2. nikcris
        nikcris 24 February 2014 17: 45
        +3
        It was not a shame to steal a box of something from the enterprise. Not a matter of honor, of course, but something ordinary.
        About ten years ago, wandering around the local flea market. I see: the grandmother sells M5 bolts (a handful) of amazing beauty. I take it in my hand and go nuts - they are titanium. I ask what and how much is there? Answers: "From my husband left, 50 kopecks / piece, two buckets." I bought everything. Grandma is happy, RosKosmos is resting - his grandfather worked for him.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 February 2014 18: 41
          +1
          Quote: nikcris
          Pulling a box of something from the enterprise was not a shame. Not a matter of honor, of course, but something mundane.

          And you do not see in the very essence of such a construction of things a fundamental problem ?! request If not, I can only sympathize with you.sad
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 25 February 2014 01: 01
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            And you do not see in the very essence of such a construction of things a fundamental problem ?! If not, I can only sympathize with you.


            hmm ... take every nail from work, you're the boss here, not the guest ...
            Soviet wisdom
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 25 February 2014 10: 56
              +1
              Quote: cdrt
              Quote: And Us Rat
              And you do not see in the very essence of such a construction of things a fundamental problem ?! If not, I can only sympathize with you.


              hmm ... take every nail from work, you're the boss here, not the guest ...
              Soviet wisdom


              In this case, the complaints of mnogokh about the collapse of the USSR will be more than absurd. request
              The USSR did not fall apart - it was stolen. request
          2. old rocket man
            old rocket man 25 February 2014 04: 21
            +1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            And you do not see in the very essence of such a construction of things a fundamental problem?


            All our trouble is precisely in the fundamental nature of this problem (damn rightly noted).
            In life I had to communicate with different people, and this is what I noticed: -the loudest are indignant and offer the most radical measures to higher-ranking thieves, thieves are petty, they are not left with a feeling of annoyance that they are not allowed to large values. This is far from the majority, but they are At the same time, there are many people, honest, as they say, "to the point of idiocy," who will not take a pencil from a neighbor's table without asking, even for a while.
            So this is a problem of education, both family and social hi
      3. corn
        corn 24 February 2014 17: 56
        +1
        vlad0
        Quote
        "If in Soviet times it was a shame to steal a box of something from an enterprise and sell it."
        If you get caught, there was even a joke: "They were punished not for having stolen (although they were tolerantly called" thieves "and not" thieves "), but for being caught.
      4. Dimy4
        Dimy4 24 February 2014 19: 36
        0
        On TV, for example, a working person should take the first roles, and not glamorous fools and pretentious freaks from "house-2" and "comedy club"

        A very accurate characterization of the characters of our modern TV. +
    4. Normal
      Normal 24 February 2014 23: 20
      +1
      Quote: ikken
      The article is correct. Until everyone begins to comply with all anti-corruption laws, you can not even remember.


      The article is absolutely not correct. Until the law is observed by the First Person, you can keep repeating to the lower classes about the need to comply with the law - everything will be useless.
      I am for any tightening of laws and punishments.
      I am for any restriction of freedoms.
      I am for any increase in fines for traffic violations
      BUT!
      In one single case; THE POWER begins to apply these laws FROM ITSELF! Without any exceptions and privileges.

      The author imposes on us a pro-government idea. They say then the Power will fight corruption (and corruption, as you know:
      Corruption (from Latin corrumpere - to corrupt, Latin corruptio - bribery, damage) is a term that usually denotes the use by an official of his power and rights entrusted to him, as well as the authority, opportunities, connections associated with this official status for personal gain,
      ) when the entire population will strictly and punctually fulfill ALL the laws adopted by the POWER for the population, which the government itself is not guided by and does not obey.
      Like, when you write exclusively in toilets (which this very government may not be able to establish), then we will certainly put the Vasilyevs and Serdyukovs in prison. And if you, the rabble, spat past the ballot box (which the government simply did not install in order to save money), then we, the government, can steal billions.
      And all this while talking about justice.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 25 February 2014 01: 02
        0
        Quote: Normal
        Quote: ikken
        The article is correct. Until everyone begins to comply with all anti-corruption laws, you can not even remember.


        The article is absolutely not correct. Until the law is observed by the First Person, you can keep repeating to the lower classes about the need to comply with the law - everything will be useless.
        I am for any tightening of laws and punishments.
        I am for any restriction of freedoms.
        I am for any increase in fines for traffic violations
        BUT!
        In one single case; THE POWER begins to apply these laws FROM ITSELF! Without any exceptions and privileges.

        The author imposes on us a pro-government idea. They say then the Power will fight corruption (and corruption, as you know:
        Corruption (from Latin corrumpere - to corrupt, Latin corruptio - bribery, damage) is a term that usually denotes the use by an official of his power and rights entrusted to him, as well as the authority, opportunities, connections associated with this official status for personal gain,
        ) when the entire population will strictly and punctually fulfill ALL the laws adopted by the POWER for the population, which the government itself is not guided by and does not obey.
        Like, when you write exclusively in toilets (which this very government may not be able to establish), then we will certainly put the Vasilyevs and Serdyukovs in prison. And if you, the rabble, spat past the ballot box (which the government simply did not install in order to save money), then we, the government, can steal billions.
        And all this while talking about justice.


        How does Putin's compliance or non-compliance with the law affect your own compliance or non-compliance with the law?
        1. Normal
          Normal 25 February 2014 01: 58
          0
          Quote: cdrt
          How does Putin's compliance or non-compliance with the law affect your own compliance or non-compliance with the law?


          Actually, I'm a law-abiding citizen. And the light on Putin personally did not converge like a wedge.
          But, when I am denied a subsidy for rent, motivating this by the fact that I have three children and a car, and therefore money is found, I remember one of the deputy chairmen of the customs committee, who has a five-story mansion (three up and two down) marbled and wife girlfriend wife LADY. So, this official received a housing subsidy without question.
          When I stand in a traffic jam in front of a traffic light that is specially kept red, and officials with flashing lights are driving past me in the oncoming lane (formally, they do not have the right to block the road, but they do not block it formally), I want to be a law-abiding citizen less and less.
          And Putin ... He simply personifies bureaucratic lawlessness.
          You can run over an old woman or two women with a car and not be responsible for it.
          You can cause damage to the state 2.5 yards away and this is not theft.
          You can reform the Armed Forces while filling your pockets, but we are not in 37th year.
          In this state of affairs, it is very difficult to be a law-abiding citizen.
          But I'm still holding on.
          UNTIL...

          And for what purpose are you interested in?
  3. Asgard
    Asgard 24 February 2014 15: 14
    0
    Here is interesting-1 and + 1, and the whole article is like that.
    And why???
    Because what we call "the law", according to the concept of a Human being, IS NOT such.
    People who use books with these "Laws" are extremely UNJUST AND "FREELY" USE the norms and rules prescribed ...
    We are to blame for everythingsince they endured 149% of those shown on TV ....
    And wait, we hear about the "noodles" about Putin, and we think that He is (really)) not like that)))

    And here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months .... The same Duma (with it is unclear how the 25-year-old artists, athletes and showmen chosen by the deputies.)))
    We have a whole law enforcement system called "Traitors" and a careful selection was made there ..
    Our Army and Navy have not been restored - boats (up to 1000 tons)) and a dozen aircraft - do not count ...
    Three "BOREYA" are without missiles. They want to put "Great Peter" on modernization - WHEN THIS HAPPENS IN THE WORLD ....

    The country operates "Pipe" for export and "Sovcomflot" exports resources)))
    The country is a PIPE, because the LAWS SHOULD be abolished
    and to introduce the USSR LEGISLATION FROM 1985.


    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 February 2014 15: 27
      +34
      Quote: Asgard

      And here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months.

      Wordless
      1. moremansf
        moremansf 24 February 2014 15: 31
        +10
        ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!!!!!!!!
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      3. siberalt
        siberalt 24 February 2014 23: 31
        0
        And in addition! Who will see the difference, call 03! Not canceled yet.laughing I think so.
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/582/fmmw146.jpg
      4. old rocket man
        old rocket man 25 February 2014 04: 29
        0
        Alexander Romanov

        A bit not "tolerant", but I like drinks
    2. mountain
      mountain 24 February 2014 15: 39
      +6
      Quote: Asgard

      And here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months.
      Where are you, can I find out?
      If about Russia, fig, vAM. Dreamer.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 16: 03
        +5
        Quote: Asgard
        And we are to blame for everything, since we have endured 149% shown on TV ....


        Well, if you punish the bloopers on the air, then Ernst should be lynched for an unopened asterisk))

        By the way, both EdRo and GDP in the elections gained less than even the handshake Levada and Echo Matzi gave them.


        Quote: Asgard
        And here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months .... The same Duma (with it is unclear how the 25-year-old artists, athletes and showmen chosen by the deputies.)))


        Already tried. Today we received sentences, and the sky in the box for a couple of years ...
        And in Ukraine, nothing would have happened if it had not been for open NGOs, engaged media and a weak leader. So nevermind correctly showed you.

        Quote: Asgard
        The country operates "Pipe" for export and "Sovcomflot" exports resources)))

        We look at Russian exports in physical terms and see a decrease in oil exports and an increase in the export of manufactured goods.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 24 February 2014 17: 36
          +8
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          We look at Russian exports in physical terms and see a decrease in oil exports and an increase in the export of manufactured goods.

          Aluminum bullion is also a manufactured goods, unfortunately, like much, much more.
          In January, the decline in production is 1,8%, the dollar is 35,6, the gold and foreign exchange reserves are decreasing, the consolidated external debt is growing. Shout "Hurray" further, Pasha.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 24 February 2014 19: 19
            0
            Quote: baltika-18
            Aluminum bullion is also a manufactured goods, unfortunately, like much, much more.


            So do you have specific data?


            Quote: baltika-18
            January decline in production of 1,8%


            Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. And yes, how are things in Europe, the Vedas directly depend on this and our industry.

            Quote: baltika-18
            35,6 dollar

            And what? Laptops are more expensive than steel and the rest of imports, while domestic wins.

            Quote: baltika-18
            Gold reserves reduced

            And how much has decreased?

            Quote: baltika-18
            consolidated external debt is growing

            And what? How much has grown? What does it look like in comparison? What is the state’s share in it?

            Quote: baltika-18
            Shout "Hurray" further, Pasha.

            I’m not shouting, but I don’t see the point either.

            The rhetoric is repeated every year, and the ship floats and does not sink in any way, and the graphs creep up, slowly, but crawl, and this is better than stagnation or fall. Crisis, dear, crisis.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 24 February 2014 20: 19
              +4
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              35,6 dollar
              And what? Laptops are more expensive than steel and the rest of imports, while domestic wins.

              Quote: baltika-18
              Gold reserves reduced
              And how much has decreased?

              Pasha, the gold and foreign exchange reserves are decreasing precisely due to the fact that the ruble is falling. The currency is withdrawn for foreign exchange interventions. In January, the gold reserves decreased by 10 billion dollars, in the first 2 weeks of February by another 8,7 billion dollars.
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              consolidated external debt is growing
              And what? How much has grown? What does it look like in comparison? What is the state’s share in it?

              The consolidated external debt amounts to 732 billion dollars, of which the debts of the government bodies are 63 billion dollars (increased by 16,5% over the year), the external debt of the banking system is 214 billion dollars, the debts of domestic companies are 437 billion dollars.
              The greater the debt, the more currency is required to service the debt, the greater the demand for dollars, the higher the exchange rate, the more foreign exchange interventions to contain the exchange rate, the faster the gold and foreign exchange reserves (the currency to maintain the exchange rate is taken from the gold reserves).
              Did I explain it clearly?
              1. Luzhichanin
                Luzhichanin 24 February 2014 20: 35
                +1
                Quote: baltika-18
                Did I explain it clearly?

                well, it's time to throw gold reserves into the furnace of a sinking ship
              2. Mature naturalist
                Mature naturalist 24 February 2014 20: 42
                +2
                Quote: baltika-18
                , debts of domestic companies

                What are "debts of domestic companies". What side are they to us?
                I remember there were some squabbles in the Moscow government over the "defrauded equity holders" in the construction of apartments. Either Luzhkov, or one of the deputies said to the equity holders: “You played in business, the business turned out to be unsuccessful. True, then, those who got involved and who had no housing (they sold their old apartment) were helped. And those who had a place to live were not helped.
                Deripaska owed 30 billion, well, let him figure it out himself. And when the factories start to sell, someone will buy them.
                Capitalism: homo homini lupus est, which means man to man is a wolf., Unfortunately...
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 24 February 2014 21: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Mature Naturalist
                  What are "debts of domestic companies". What side are they to us?

                  Loans abroad are usually taken under government guarantees.
                  And the servicing of foreign currency debts affects the ruble exchange rate, while a falling ruble means additional inflation.
                  1. Mature naturalist
                    Mature naturalist 25 February 2014 00: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    Loans abroad are usually taken under government guarantees.

                    And they are given against property, against guarantees of banks (not all, but only acceptable ones), project financing, venture capital.
                    Tied loans, when, for example, German money seems to be given to ours on credit, but goes to German manufacturers, who at a frenzied price + %% on a loan supply our equipment.
                    I, of course, do not know everything, but bourgeois accept the guarantee of administrations, municipalities and other similar Russian structures only if it is spelled out as a line in the budget.
                  2. Mature naturalist
                    Mature naturalist 25 February 2014 00: 22
                    0
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    And the falling ruble is additional inflation.

                    The falling ruble is an incentive to produce in Russia, and not to carry it from overseas.
                    And you shouldn't contain inflation. Low inflation is beneficial to foreigners who supply to Russia, but kill their production.
              3. SPACE
                SPACE 24 February 2014 22: 21
                0
                Quote: baltika-18
                Gold reserves reduced just because the ruble is falling

                Gold reserves are not in rubles, which means that the ruble exchange rate does not reduce gold reserves.
                Quote: baltika-18
                Currency withdrawn for foreign exchange interventions

                It is not so much recovered for foreign exchange interventions, but for saturating the domestic market with currency, for acquiring imported goods or foreign operations, with a shortage of turnover. Interventions are necessary to maintain the ruble, by the way a waste of money, which is why interventions reduce and the ruble falls, on the other hand, gives a positive moment for domestic production and export.
    3. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 24 February 2014 18: 40
      +8
      Quote: Asgard
      here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months ...

      Spit, spit ... (nothing personal)
      Or is it time to buy the "Boar"? and more cartridges? And to the village? And a wood-burning stove?
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 24 February 2014 18: 45
      +5
      Quote: Asgard
      And here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months

      No, Vladimir, you're wrong here.
      We won't have this at all.
      We will have "what cannot be at all", but in a year or two not earlier.
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        1. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 24 February 2014 20: 46
          +1
          the law will come in summer
          (name copied from the Consultant
          (the program is such in which official laws and acts, decrees and others are laid out)):

          Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 23.09.2013 N 839 "On state registration of genetically modified organisms intended for release into the environment, as well as products obtained using such organisms or containing such organisms" (together with the "Rules for state registration of genetically modified organisms engineered organisms intended for release into the environment, as well as products obtained using such organisms or containing such organisms ")

          So whatever one may say, but Asgard is right - the scenario is the same!

          Although there was still AsGrad. Frankly, I was thinking about this topic. In foreign languages, the word "guard" and its derivatives are found. Not in Russian, but "grad" and its derivatives, for example: cooling tower, are found.
          At the subconscious level, I do not even have a semantic sense of the word "guard", but there is "hail"! And my intuition tells me - here I am right!
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 24 February 2014 23: 02
            +4
            As (Az)) - a person born twice (having two names))
            Ha -movement (constant (ga-ga-ra = movement (in stream) towards the sun))
            Pbd-rod, -first Foundation of life ...
            Asgard (s)-The founders of the Capital Cities - there were five of them, four are described and are on the Internet (google)),
            Fifth (the first was on Arctida-the drowned mainland))

            All continents on Midgard-earth are named Asgard
            -As (z) iya,
            -Africa,
            -America,
            -Australia,
            -Antarctica,
            and two sunken continents Arctida and Atlantis (during the change of polesWar))

            Euro-pa, this misunderstanding appeared about 500 years ago, the so-called "biblical project" -providers Jews))
            Rosen's name is read in an ABC book from the end and explains itself)))

            It's easier to explain with the help of Runes, but the page does not support such signs, and if it did, then the computers would not require recharging))))
            Well, then you can cope with it yourself (attach a minimum effort)) and you will understand everything ...
            Good Night Comrada.
            1. kare
              kare 25 February 2014 10: 18
              0
              I think the advice is useless. There "intuition prompts" I am RIGHT! Even I think a reference to Levashov will not help
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        3. siberalt
          siberalt 24 February 2014 23: 44
          +1
          "Lesha" is a long-developed material. He calmly surrenders his own people and "serves" Russia, no matter how ridiculous it may sound. Now Lesha is an ordinary sixthot. Are there any other opinions? But in general, it's just ... laughing

          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/236/mfil643.jpg
    5. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 24 February 2014 22: 09
      0
      And, of course, excuse me for being rude, and let the moderators punish me.
      BUT FUCK YOU DO NOT BALU.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 24 February 2014 23: 54
        0
        Well, indulge yourself with your offshoot. Who is against the "process". Chess is not weightlifting either.laughing
        cahttp: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/611/uesw652.
  4. Dimsan
    Dimsan 24 February 2014 15: 24
    +7
    The European thinks - yes, no. We think like Asians - yes, no, maybe! And therefore the laws should be adjusted for this. In general, the author THANKS A LOT !! a rare like-minded person, he also often argued with many people, and you can't prove anything to the majority, they usually look sideways at the government of deputies and oligarchs)
    1. corn
      corn 24 February 2014 18: 13
      0
      For twenty years now, I have been asking a simple question, shouting about theft by others: "You (you) in all your life did not take someone else's (took)."
      Part of this question leads to a short-term stupor
      and typical answers:
      No, and then I ask the following question: a ballpoint pen, a nail, a kilogram of cement (the continuation of the list can be imagined), I like the continuation: "So they are bags, cars, wagons, etc.
      And one more answer: "There was nothing to steal"
      Few people say "Sinful"
      Somewhere like that
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 24 February 2014 15: 30
    +12
    Quote: Asgard
    And here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months ...


    Buddy Vladimir! Here on "Tape Ru" I read how our people are protesting, and what they are doing with them. Read it carefully - there is a slip of the tongue - according to Freud, I laughed to tears. "Ochepyatka" - the author's, perhaps still hangs now:

    "OVD-Info" counted more than 230 detainees. Among them are Alexei Navalny, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, Maria Alekhina and Peter Verzilov. Detainees brought to the Taganskoye Department of Internal Affairs (total of such 19 people), lower after drawing up a protocol on violation of traffic rules. This violation provides a warning or 500 rubles fine.
    1. Duke
      Duke 24 February 2014 15: 35
      +8
      "OVD-Info" counted more than 230 detainees. Among them are Alexei Navalny, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, Maria Alekhina and Peter Verzilov. Detainees brought to the Taganskoye Department of Internal Affairs (total of such 19 people), lower after drawing up a protocol on violation of traffic rules. This violation provides a warning or 500 rubles fine.
      Great! Thank you!
    2. major071
      major071 24 February 2014 15: 44
      +13
       Stiletto (1)

      Among them are Alexei Navalny, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, Maria Alekhina and Peter Verzilov. Detainees brought to the Taganskoye police station (all such 19 people) are lowered after the protocol


      They wrote beautifully, and you can’t hide the truth! Everything should be called in your own words. Plus HUGE!
  6. Pacifist
    Pacifist 24 February 2014 15: 33
    +7
    IMHO
    Thoughts are correct, but premises and guidelines are false. Corruption and theft in Europe is not lower than ours. Any functionary who has reached the level is trying to benefit from this, this is the essence of the primate herd hierarchy. The only question is in what form and how to evaluate the actions of the pack leader. If, all other things being equal, he ensures a stable, dignified existence of the pack and the protection of the territory from encroachments, this is good. If he just grabs and allows other leaders to encroach on the territory, this is bad. Do not believe that this is so? Take a look around. Our assessments of the authorities' actions go precisely through the prism of these assessments. The main invention of civilization in this area is bribery. This is when all sorts of fighters for justice with petty souls and external content, beating themselves in the chest with a heel, promote the interests of foreign leaders on their territory. But what's interesting is that a community with a strong hierarchy destroys or expels such countries, and supposedly democratic countries are no exception. And the main achievement of the foul "democratization" is the compulsion to a tolerant attitude towards them, but on foreign territory. When a person without outside content tries to improve life in society, this is one thing, but when he tries to sway the stability of power under good slogans, this is another.
    And in the commentary to "swamp", as long as you peacefully express your opinion and influence the government through elections and public activity, this is normal, but as soon as you took a brick and threw it at a policeman, or worse, took up arms ... to have the will to destroy or isolate such people, harshly and immediately ... "without waiting for peritonitis."
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 24 February 2014 15: 34
    +5
    Someone correctly said: Laws are paper napkins with which the nomenclature wipes glossy lips.
  8. My address
    My address 24 February 2014 15: 34
    +8
    There are no miracles.
    Do not instantly rebuild the people.
    And one of the answers to the questions posed is - the more rights, the HIGHER should be the DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY. That is, the government should show an example. This is the basics of management. But the authorities do not intend to answer.
  9. Homo
    Homo 24 February 2014 15: 36
    +5
    We want to live like in Europe. So that without bribes, clean, beautiful. I agree.

    It reminded me of the words of a mouse from a cartoon (campaigning for moving to America) THERE ARE NO CATS AND FREE CHEESE!
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 16: 13
      +2
      Thank! A great analogue :) But I still didn’t focus my notes on this phrase.
  10. AlexA
    AlexA 24 February 2014 15: 38
    +3
    Exactly. It is with this that we must start. If the majority of people will find for themselves excuses for petty "theft", then the real big thieves will huddle everyone in full. On a much larger scale.
    But just such an understanding is not observed. On the contrary - active rejection. And this is the main reason for the indestructibility of corruption in Russia. At least for now.
    Actually, this situation about 40 years ago was very vividly outlined by Fazil Iskander in the story "Rabbits and boas"
  11. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 24 February 2014 15: 56
    +1
    We want to live like in Europe. So that without bribes ...

    Here in Europe, just these ghouls-thieves live, and those that ours, in comparison, take off, nervously smoking on the sidelines.
    http://euroua.com/europe/eu/2503-korruptsiya-obkhoditsya-es-v-120-milliardov-evr
    o-ezhegodno
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 16: 16
      +2
      There are other problems in Europe. Bribes there are phenomena of a huge bureaucratic system. Therefore, envelopes are thicker there, appear only at a level above the average man, but envelopes themselves appear less often. In addition, in order to compare the volume of corruption, one needs to choose the same calculation methodology. Figures with different techniques can vary by orders of magnitude.
  12. Arbatov
    Arbatov 24 February 2014 15: 57
    +5
    In my opinion, this is not about our mentality. The ancient Romans, far from us, believed that in order for the laws to be observed, they must be fair. Justice - from the Latin "justice". On my own I would like to add: the laws should also be simple and clear. And, corny, but obvious - the punishment must be inevitable. No conditional terms. No scatter like "or public censure, or a year of imprisonment." So that the representative of the law is clearly guided by him, and not by his revolutionary consciousness.
    This is a long time, it is not immediately. but we can come to this if we want to.
  13. ed65b
    ed65b 24 February 2014 16: 11
    +3
    The article is certainly interesting, but only the author presented himself as such a sage over the masses. and the fact that he never violated the traffic rules when there are no gayts? I will not believe. we do not have such. But what to do with the law, demanding from the same taxi driver not to violate it if there is no demand from the authorities, Serdyukov is a vivid example. Prove to him that do not steal on trifles, do not deceive in a penny, and the eyes can see who is stealing and what pennies washes and what it has become for him. So you need to start with the power itself and then ask us.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 16: 29
      +5
      I break, it happens, and pay fines. He stopped giving bribes.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 24 February 2014 17: 46
        +2
        Quote: danilatrg
        I break, it happens, and pay fines. He stopped giving bribes.

        This makes me happy. Almost in the same way, although lately I have been trying not to break it at all, I even drive around the village with a belt, it turns out I'm used to it. I didn’t give bribes and don’t give in principle. (For personal purposes). Although, by the nature of the work, I had to give more than once. Otherwise a pipe.
      2. corn
        corn 24 February 2014 18: 23
        +1
        I break it myself, I stopped giving bribes, I fight back by hook or by crook (I use the law in my favor) and the most interesting thing is cheaper.
  14. cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 24 February 2014 16: 14
    +2
    Bravo! A thought worthy of a patriot. It is impossible to bring up a healthy "civilized society" without respect for the rule of law. This is not the only thing that needs to be brought up in a person, but this is what we most often omit in this small list. Great article.
  15. dark_65
    dark_65 24 February 2014 16: 26
    +1
    the worst thing in the army is to live according to the charter from and to.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 24 February 2014 16: 59
      0
      Quote: dark_65
      the worst thing in the army is to live according to the charter from and to.

      So the charter must be changed. Remove the pra-horizons from it and add a fair amount of logic. request
      1. corn
        corn 24 February 2014 18: 27
        +3
        Let me disagree with both 65 and the army.
        Knowing the charter (its essence and spirit, and not just memorizing what the boss said) makes life very much easier.
      2. dark_65
        dark_65 26 February 2014 07: 59
        +1
        Then it will not be a charter, but fiction. laughing
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 24 February 2014 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: dark_65
      the worst thing in the army is to live according to the charter from and to.

      This is for bad people. According to the charter, living in the army is just great, no problems.
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 26 February 2014 07: 59
        0
        You can't really live by it, you can and must adhere to it.
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 February 2014 16: 30
    +3
    We confuse law and conscience all the time. I have already reflected on this topic http://leo-tigr.livejournal.com/14874.html In these examples you are calling for the law, for example, you should not drink while driving, but I urge you to conscience you should not drink while driving. There is a difference, probably there is. And the comrade went to his grandfather according to his conscience or did not go to visit the girl, it is against his conscience.
    Moreover, if by conscience. then everything that concerns the bubble and razvodilov should be either free or at reasonable prices. For example, if in the country of the Soviets there were many libraries, where everyone could take and read. So torrents are modern libraries.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 16: 43
      +4
      The concept of conscience cannot be formalized. It cannot be appreciated. Conscience is subjective. For the reader, the torrent is a library; for the author, torrent is theft. This is probably the best explanation of relative truth (justice) - conscience. Everyone has a different conscience. How to solve the problem when both parties to the conflict believe that they acted in good faith? There is a law for this. With all its shortcomings, this is the only public measure.
      1. igordok
        igordok 24 February 2014 17: 32
        0
        Quote: danilatrg
        There is a law for this.

        Yes. But the law is different for everyone (more precisely, the answer is before the law). To pay someone a fine of one hundred thousand is not a problem. Someone can serve a term - no problem (at home it’s worse than in prison (especially in youth)).
        There are no laws that would be equivalent for everyone.
        1. danilatrg
          24 February 2014 17: 48
          +1
          If 100 thousand is not a problem for some social group, you need to raise a fine. In any case, the law should be uniform and applicable equally. In a general sense, as one and the same article can be qualified in different ways. The legal procedure should be uniform. If we judge each individual person by a separate code, for the rich, for the young, etc., then codes will appear in which for some everything will be allowed.

          Yes, and the rich can suddenly, during the proceedings, according to information, become poor.
          1. igordok
            igordok 24 February 2014 20: 35
            0
            As perceived increase fines, say a pensioner. He does not lift the amount. He, too, can fly into the law.
            1. danilatrg
              24 February 2014 20: 45
              0
              The point is not to drive pensioners. But to make the law inevitable. Fines are just an example. There are many options.
              1. igordok
                igordok 24 February 2014 21: 49
                0
                Here I am about that. The law must be inevitable. But for someone 15 years to sit out - spit, and for someone 15 days - the collapse of life (career, divorce, etc.). Alas, the inevitability of judgment is different for each person. The law is the same for everyone, but the same sentence is individual for each person.
                1. danilatrg
                  24 February 2014 22: 10
                  0
                  There is some variation in the qualification of the offense and the sentencing of lawyers. For example, if someone has stolen so much that you can sit 15, there are parts of articles (or articles) that qualify the violation as "on a particularly large scale." Such people will get more. For a person who got into a situation for the first time, in cooperation with the investigation, with good characteristics and a history of offenses, there are extenuating circumstances. The system has a certain margin of flexibility. The main thing is that the legal process should be the same for everyone without subjective influence.
            2. old rocket man
              old rocket man 25 February 2014 04: 53
              0
              Quote: igordok
              He, too, can fly into the law.

              As Papanov said: "Don't steal."
              If you do not violate it, there will be no penalty, and its value is on the drum.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 February 2014 18: 26
        +2
        And yet I disagree. Here is a case that falls under the law of hooligan actions by prior conspiracy in a public place for a total of up to 7 years. But they created another law to protect the feelings of believers. Here are how many laws for one case. But we, brought up in the spirit of atheism, know. that the church is separated from the state, would not even think to go galloping to the church, "not good." Then we had a conscience.
        1. danilatrg
          24 February 2014 18: 39
          0
          I do not deny that a simple high-quality education is necessary. But the upbringing did not help the girls. They felt that their speech, subsequent PR, their political beliefs did not contradict their subjective conscience. I am sure that they have a good and logical justification, something about the “bloody red”. And there are people who support them, do not see a conflict with conscience and upbringing. So they think they are fair. We believe not. There is an objective social norm - the law. According to him, this conflict is resolved.

          The objective quality of laws is a separate issue. I am only talking about the subjectivity of their perception.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 February 2014 20: 59
            0
            How the USSR was "destroyed" was the motto "what is not forbidden is allowed." That is, what is not prohibited by law is possible. But the norms of morality, in some cases, keep better than any laws.
            And the girls, definitely not brought up. I also have a lot of complaints about Putin. And about guest workers, and about the Russian language, and about economics. Even paradoxically, for me he is already to blame for allowing him to insult the symbols of the country and himself. But I never allow myself to offend, for for me the matter is not in the law, but in conscience.
            1. danilatrg
              24 February 2014 22: 29
              0
              We are on one side. I agree that the development of moral norms is very useful (if these are socially useful norms).
  17. siberalt
    siberalt 24 February 2014 16: 47
    +1
    Imagine the author at the controls of a passenger plane. His wife drank a couple of glasses of light beer and came home in the morning. It's good that there is no red traffic light in the sky, but it doesn't make it easier for passengers. These are the relative concepts, why are there different truths. laughing
  18. nikcris
    nikcris 24 February 2014 16: 47
    +1
    author -> author -> author - double. If there are casualties in an accident (living-dead, girls-boys, etc.), the alcohol-drug test is MANDATORY.
    I stopped reading this clown right after the second paragraph of the "example"
    Graphomania is not fully understood by psychiatry.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 16: 55
      +5
      I learned new about the accident and about myself :) Thank you. And yet, an example can be modeled by anything. Your opinion on the rest of the article and its ideas is important to me.
      1. My address
        My address 24 February 2014 17: 10
        +3
        Daniel!
        To your article.
        Another way in education. Here my mother always said some things:
        - You are to blame, not everything is done right.
        - Do it so that you are not ashamed.
        - Thin job is like stealing.
        I'm far from ideal. But I remember these words and they protect against outstanding nonsense and nasty things. For example, I hardly walk on the lawns, I try not to lie, and so on. But I repeat - you cannot expect miracles from the people. Especially after a quarter of a century of the "Every man for himself" ideology. But our servants, from the president and the local deputy, must be an example.
        And the article is not bad. hi
        1. danilatrg
          24 February 2014 17: 13
          +3
          Thank. Parenting is very important, I agree.
        2. nikcris
          nikcris 24 February 2014 18: 14
          +2
          I have not walked on the lawns since the old woman asked us, a school trip in Leningrad (we ourselves were from Kazakhstan). She asked me to stand not on the grass, but on the asphalt. She said that she planted cabbage on the grass during the blockade ... We did such a thing then, especially after Piskarevsky, that in general everything green in Leningrad was bypassed.
          Well, what can you say - the damned legacy of the Sovdep.
  19. Ulus5
    Ulus5 24 February 2014 17: 13
    +3
    But what to do when the laws are really and objectively unjust?

    First you need to understand the concept of responsibility.

    In the Constitution of the USSR, a whole chapter was devoted to the RIGHTS and OBLIGATIONS of citizens.
    Chapter 7. Fundamental Rights, Freedoms and Obligations of Citizens of the USSR

    And in the Constitution of the Russian Federation there is also a chapter only on the rights of a citizen.
    Chapter 2. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen

    But a person cannot have rights without responsibilities in society. After all, man is not alone.
    People so quickly got used to their rights, guaranteed by the state, that they completely forgot about duties and responsibilities.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 17: 15
      +1
      Thank you, I am working on the development of this idea, but in a slightly different aspect.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 25 February 2014 00: 07
        0
        When you work with your hands, thoughts come. When you work with your thoughts, your hands dry up. Have a choice? According to your post - you know how to express yourself poetically. The flag is in your hands and do not be afraid.
    2. igordok
      igordok 24 February 2014 17: 41
      +1
      Quote: Ulus5
      But a person cannot possess rights without obligations in society.

      What is the primary RIGHT or DUTY? In the West they claim to be RIGHTS. RESPONSIBILITY FOR ME. A person at birth is already obliged to both parents and the state (help to mother by birth), etc.
      1. My address
        My address 24 February 2014 19: 46
        +3
        This is a complex of three components - rights, obligations, responsibility.
        Ideally, it is like an equilateral triangle - the higher the position, the greater the obligation to fulfill the necessary position, more rights to perform, more responsibility for actions / inactions.

        For example, according to Smerdyukov:
        - Enjoyed nehily RIGHTS.
        - What was OBLIGED to do on defense and what made on the theft is clear.
        - And by RESPONSIBILITY I fell under the rule of the highest positions: "Everything is for yours, the rest is law."
        Why 99% and wish him to live long, but badly. am Very bad. am am
  20. andrei332809
    andrei332809 24 February 2014 17: 38
    +2
    "legally" and "fair" are two big differences
  21. demotivator
    demotivator 24 February 2014 17: 51
    +4
    The author starts at the wrong end. He, for some reason, all the time about the laws, and only about them. Well, and a little about our attitude towards them. Yes, we, in principle, do not divide them into "good and bad" laws. It seems to me that the problem is quite different. She is in courts, in legal proceedings, she is in those who apply these laws to us, sinners. Here he writes:
    The traffic police do not notice the fact of the drunk and DO NOT offer to undergo an examination.

    Well, ask why the traffic police "does not notice the fact of drinking"? Is it that the grandfather is to blame for this traffic blindness? Or do we have a traffic police such that when she needs to - she notices, and when not necessary, then no? Well, who here interprets the laws in two ways, we or representatives of the authorities, in this example, the traffic police? I will not disassemble further. I will only note that legal nihilism has not grown from scratch. The hero of Mikhail Ulyanov, the grandfather of a girl raped by three scum, from the movie "Voroshilovsky shooter" took a sniper rifle not because of legal illiteracy. But only when he realized that he could not find truth and justice in the police and the prosecutor's office. And there is an even earlier example, in Pushkin's story "Dubrovsky", where the peasants for a long time begged the police officers and the master to do according to the LAW! But in vain, and then they took up pitchforks and axes. And they burned their offenders alive in the hut. Here it is where the truth is, and not at all where the author is looking for it. The Russian people are patient, but they really dislike lawlessness and injustice. It is good to talk about "relative truth" until you bite yourself in one place, until you are faced with the realities of our life.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 17: 59
      +1
      The problem of some of our power, the presence of lawlessness, nepotism, corruption and other things in the country is many times more complicated and wider than I described in the text. You're right. I just captured one of the cultural aspects. We will understand further.
  22. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 24 February 2014 17: 58
    0
    Quote: inkass_98
    A little off topic, but I agree.
    You might think that they came crystal-honest, they were never at the helm (and at the trough). The most-most law-abiding.

    I didn’t mean old new, I mean that new is forgotten old. : "Whites come - rob, red ones come - rob ... And where should the poor peasant go?"
  23. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 24 February 2014 17: 59
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Asgard

    And here "Ukraine" will be repeated in a few months.

    Wordless

    The power has changed again!
  24. ed65b
    ed65b 24 February 2014 17: 59
    +2
    For our people, justice must be in any law, otherwise it will not comply with it. And there are no fair laws. As long as there is a hypertrophied stratification of society, all laws will be issued for the richest and not for the poorest. Instead of supporting the people, small businesses, supporting banks and immediately withdrawing assets abroad. And the results of privatization and much more. It is necessary to dig and build justice and then issue laws and demand their implementation. Then the people will begin to look up to the authorities.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 18: 08
      0
      If you would consider yourself to be
      the richest
      you would have a different opinion. And this is subjectivity. It is not necessary to demand that the laws be for the poor, but that they be enforced, or for both. Then there will be no poor, people will be able to enrich themselves.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 24 February 2014 19: 16
        0
        Quote: danilatrg
        If you would consider yourself to be
        the richest
        you would have a different opinion. And this is subjectivity. It is not necessary to demand that the laws be for the poor, but that they be enforced, or for both. Then there will be no poor, people will be able to enrich themselves.

        This is from the realm of fantasy while a person is alive this will never be anywhere and never. Unfortunately. the rest of the talk is in favor of the poor.
  25. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 24 February 2014 18: 01
    +1
    from the Don.
    The author is right that the observance of laws must be strict. BUT! There is a little: BUT:! Our laws are written in such a way that being right I risk my freedom or money, because with a good lawyer who will find many loopholes in the law, I risk Everyone should be equal before the law. And we have a law on confiscation of property. There is no law that when buying real estate, opening accounts abroad, you need to justify the origin of funds. And so on. our time is possible only with the imposition of large fines. Only through the pocket will you reach the citizens!
  26. Intensive
    Intensive 24 February 2014 18: 08
    0
    Quote: Intensive
    That is why corruption in our country is not a system phenomenon, as in Europe. This is our cultural phenomenon.


    The people are a child in relation to the elite of the state on a macro scale. And this child copies what the parent (elite) does. If the state steals from its people, it steals insolently, shamelessly, hypocritically, treacherously. People regard this as a signal that this is the era now, that this is the norm.

    IMHO our "elite" is henchmen of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. They are accountable to them in their activities. Corruption helps keep the puppets of Russian origin on a short leash. Therefore, corruption is one of the management tools. Those who do not steal, do not take bribes are not needed there. Everyone must be smeared. Therefore, while the Rothschilds and Rockefellers rule our country, honest people will be out of work.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 18: 15
      +1
      I do not agree with the child-parent model. I agree that the corruption subsystem is sometimes a public administration system.
  27. Leopold
    Leopold 24 February 2014 18: 12
    0
    If laws are born that regulate the conscience of a single person, this will generate a cloud of interpreters and there will be many gods of different levels on the ground.
    Modern society is quite difficult to get by with short, capacious laws, perhaps because it always requires tougher punishment. Are we ready to answer with our heads for literally everything - treason, death, betrayal, bribery? ..
    Perhaps we can say that the flowering of these - one of the merits of democracy - relaxed.
  28. homosum20
    homosum20 24 February 2014 18: 32
    +1
    Daniil Kashirin, you have heard at least once the phrase: he, of course, is a son of a bitch. But he is OUR son of a bitch. Who do you think said that? Your drunk friend? Or his friend?
    No. "Review of the Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza (senior), who, as some American memoirists point out, belongs to the 32nd President of the United States (1933-1945), Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945)." Wikipedia.
    Everything that you have written is your speculation. You, I will not say - an unwise person, no, just an idealist (or a provocateur). The policy of double standards, which you are trying to describe in your own words in the article, has long been used as a weapon against our country. And not only by the politicians of the enemy country, but also by ordinary citizens.
    How old are you? Such reasoning is forgivable in the fifth grade of high school. in a higher educational institution, where they study philosophy - this is 2 points.
    There is no truth. There is no one truth. It is different for everyone. And sorry for the tautalogy - this is a common truth. You should write utopias. Thomas Campanella would have died of envy.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 18: 45
      +1
      Thank you :) I do not want to be an idealist. But any model of a complex system, such as society, always has limitations of applicability and a number of inaccuracies. I can not describe the concept of the whole world with its infinite complexity. But I can formulate a model applicable in practice. Such a model will always seem too simple and ideal. But its use is still possible.
    2. jjj
      jjj 25 February 2014 01: 41
      0
      If, for example, we assume that this is a manipulation, then everyone understood that Navalny is a good person. This is the trick. As a manipulation everything is done soundly. And it is not intended for intellectuals. And among non-intellectuals (who do not believe anyone by definition), this manipulation will work. Yes, she pulled many here
      1. danilatrg
        25 February 2014 11: 38
        0
        Thank you :) I did not think to see my article from this point of view. However, what I am, it turns out, is a cunning manipulator.
  29. dmb
    dmb 24 February 2014 18: 54
    +1
    Well, what did the author actually want to say? In principle, the idea is not new. It has been diligently being introduced into the consciousness of fellow citizens by powerful propagandists for quite a long time. “Let's start with ourselves,” that is, as long as you don't listen to Brahms instead of Kirkorov, prefer moonshine to Armagnac and change socks less often than Serdyukov or Chubais, the latter can steal. This is not to say that there is no need to change socks, but to the fact that even if Serdyukov changes them every 15 minutes, he should be in prison for theft. And this, even with the laws that most of those like him were made not by thieves and bribe-takers, but (in the author's understanding) by successful businessmen and worthy members of society, well, let's say, the same Chubais, Abramovich or Yakunin.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 18: 59
      0
      I agree with the comment. I am not a power propagandist. All that you described does not contradict what I wrote.
      1. dmb
        dmb 24 February 2014 19: 57
        0
        You may not be. You are rather an idealist, which in my opinion is worse. Pay attention to how your idealistic impulse was used by regular singers of the current government.
        1. danilatrg
          24 February 2014 20: 49
          0
          I do not really understand, explain.
          1. dmb
            dmb 25 February 2014 09: 35
            0
            What part of what you did not understand, Why idealism in this case in my opinion is worse, or how it was used? I will try to answer both questions. It is one thing when a person writes out of duty, as "singers of power", and another when he writes what he thinks. The conviction is higher and the perception of the reading or listening is quite different. Maybe you did not quite correctly expressed your thought, but the reaction to it at the forum is akin to mine, the only difference is in the assessment. And the critics of all the supporters grabbed it with joy. This is a direct confirmation of their thesis that the bad people got the good government.
            1. danilatrg
              25 February 2014 11: 32
              0
              The most important misconception is "Power and people are different social systems." I am not saying that the bad people got the good government. And the fact that we have our people with you with the disadvantages that it has. And since the government replenishes its human reserves from the people (whatever one may say), it has the same mental characteristics. The roots of corruption in the government, among the people, grow from our subjective perception of justice. This is the main thing I wanted to say.

              And the question here is not that everything is lost or how terrible we are, but that, with an understanding of the reasons, a plan of action also comes.
              1. dmb
                dmb 25 February 2014 12: 44
                0
                Do you believe that people and power constitute a single social system? This was even absent in the last period of the existence of the USSR, which in fact was the cause of the collapse of the country. To prevent corruption, you first need a stick and not a carrot. When the people saw that this whip equally cuts both the boss and the subordinate, then his subjective perception of justice was closer to objective reality.
                And this was not only under Stalin. Those who deny this either do not know or are consciously silent. As for your thesis - power from the people, I suggest you take a list of ministers and indicate which of them is from the plow.
                1. danilatrg
                  25 February 2014 13: 31
                  0
                  I do not postulate that according to the law only people live. I postulate that everyone should live by law. The fact that there is corruption in power structures should not be an excuse for the people and vice versa. In this we agree.

                  I am against the idea, let them first, and then we. I am for the idea, let "everyone" start answering right away. I consider the addition of responsibility to the evil, ugly, glossy elite to be an excuse for my irresponsibility.

                  And then, the structure of power is not only ministers, but also simple traffic cops. For whom, judging by your point of view, power and the wand are inherited and only so.

                  From the plow:
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кудрин,_Алексей_Леонидович
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шувалов,_Игорь_Иванович

                  Shoigu from a family of party workers, Medvedev from the scientific elite, there is nothing about the origin of Zurabov. The rest did not look.
                  1. dmb
                    dmb 25 February 2014 13: 59
                    0
                    Well, you can’t do so literally. I’m talking about the current ones that you did not see. And you listed have received a certain status under the Soviet regime. This status and the elementary lack of moral principles allowed them to take their current position. You and I have no contradictions regarding the fact that everyone should live by law, but you are trying to prove that it is possible if the people are good, and I am firmly convinced that this is an illusion. The current government will never change, for such is the essence of capitalism.
                    1. danilatrg
                      25 February 2014 14: 17
                      0
                      I respect your opinion.

                      To change power is not enough just a change in mentality in the context of the article. I agree with you. The formation of mental responsibility and the construction of more legitimate social elevators are also necessary. But I perceive work with subjectivity of perception as a platform for other change vectors.

                      I do not believe in socialism, for there is a negative historical experience. I will describe the contribution of socialism to our mentality separately. There we will have a new heated debate.
                      1. dmb
                        dmb 25 February 2014 15: 00
                        0
                        I'll wait for the article.
  30. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 February 2014 19: 09
    +2
    Truth cannot be relative. The law should be the same for everyone, both for the grandfather on the Moskvich and for the official on the Lexus, until everyone is equal before the law, then the LAW is just a declaration (like "I would like to") And then they begin to lie to us, they say Serdyukov was pardoned, because he is a Hero of Russia, In the Soviet Union during the war years there are more than 200 Heroes, including. shot for treason! And here LADIES "secret" hero, most likely on a stump, blinded, and you want the authorities to be respected after that? When everyone becomes equal before the Law, then the people will begin to trust the authorities.
  31. Evgeny Petrovich
    Evgeny Petrovich 24 February 2014 19: 53
    0
    Article minus. It is certainly possible to teach people to raise children without having their own, but you can guess what kind of trust this teacher will have. Here is the situation with my grandfather, not in my country or in mine, which is in my dreams. If the police are on the spot to sort it out correctly, he will be paid without question, and the guilty will not deny that they are to blame, maybe then our mentality will not need to be changed.
    P.S. I don’t know how the police work in your region, but here they will check for alcohol first of all, this is their bread. Yes, and the grandfather was completely damaged and who wants to continue to seek the truth (unless, of course, no one was hurt), then this is some kind of not Russian or, as in a new way, not Russian grandfather.
  32. Denis Tatar
    Denis Tatar 24 February 2014 19: 54
    0
    But when I got into a mortgage, and read the insurance contract, I stopped the road in the wrong places and went to a red light, because of money, maybe?
  33. demotivator
    demotivator 24 February 2014 19: 59
    0
    Quote: Denis Tatarin
    because of money maybe?

    Not. This mortgage is so disciplined :-))))
    1. Denis Tatar
      Denis Tatar 24 February 2014 20: 06
      0
      so it's good when "civilized" property relations bring up
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  34. Yura
    Yura 24 February 2014 20: 05
    0
    And what a normal article, and the message is correct. I remembered the words of my father, a year ago I already wrote them in one of the comments, so I will repeat: "the hardest thing in this life is to be just a normal person", but we must try otherwise why are we on earth at all.
  35. shelva
    shelva 24 February 2014 20: 15
    0
    Under the law, cunning lawyers seek acquittals for obvious criminals.
    To respect the law, you must first have it. I would not like to hear sermons about law-abidingness from any high-ranking scum that itself violates these laws. They themselves create laws "for themselves" and they themselves violate them, requiring ordinary citizens to strictly observe them.
    1. Denis Tatar
      Denis Tatar 24 February 2014 20: 20
      0
      precisely, the laws are full of holes, procedural actions are not prescribed, this is a mess. and who writes them? one lawyer for the Duma, and that Zhirinovsky!
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  36. vvp2412
    vvp2412 24 February 2014 20: 26
    +2
    I disagree with the author only that he idealizes Europe. Stealing EVERYWHERE! Absolutely! People are the same everywhere. It’s just that different schemes work in different societies! They steal just differently!

    And how they steal in the USA! Mama Mia! No one in the world has dreamed!

    And the rest - I completely agree.

    As Chaif ​​sings in the song: "And everyone will find a reason to justify themselves"!
    1. Denis Tatar
      Denis Tatar 24 February 2014 20: 32
      0
      everything is easier with us,
      http://www.tolkochto.ru/news/law_order/28173.html
      and in America Europe you can't do that
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    3. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 20: 52
      0
      There are mental differences. You can see it for yourself, and you will see now. Notice I'm not saying that our mentality is definitely bad. The relativity of perception gives us freedom inaccessible to the West. It's just that this mentality has minuses.
  37. vsdvs
    vsdvs 24 February 2014 20: 38
    0
    I fully agree with the author. And then "madam handshake" proudly writes that she left the restaurant without paying, because the owner adheres to the "wrong" political views
  38. Oleg1968
    Oleg1968 24 February 2014 20: 54
    +2
    Well done Author!
    Start with yourself, do it according to your conscience, and maybe the children will live in the very, very ... country.
    We all, often on trifles, with a share of silly complacency, build and support a thieving society. Faced and I am constantly faced with this. WE ARE GUILTY.
  39. Oleg1968
    Oleg1968 24 February 2014 21: 14
    +3
    ...... add.
    I read the "comments" and understand that nothing will change so easily. Stop looking around and justify yourself with the meanness of others. Do not justify your willingness to compromise with your conscience by examples of not the most (oh, far from the most) honest "mighty of this world", try it, and if YOU have a desire, then YOU will make "a little cleaner" around you.
    I try, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I continue, maybe it will work out wink
  40. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 24 February 2014 21: 44
    +4
    "We want to live like in Europe. So that without bribes, it's pure, beautiful. I agree. I want that too."

    Fine! I have been waiting for this for a long time. Finally, our enemies pulled up truly smart people for their poisonous propaganda. The author of the article is an enemy, and a terrible enemy. It is such people who present a real danger to Russia. This is not Latynina with Navalny, this serious one ...
    What is the strength in, brother? In conscience. And this is Russian truth and Russian law. Here is the conscience and the author attacks, here it attacks her. How can you not see, people ?! And even Europe, sort of squeezed into the brain with a psychological key, is like an earthly paradise ... what didn’t they understand here too? Oh, how bad ...
    What is the author lying about? Yes, in everything. What is the Western view of human nature? Man is a beast. A vicious, vile, vile brute. What is needed for this bastard to "build civilization"? It is necessary to limit the activity of the creature in various ways. Courts, police, armies, laws, round-the-clock surveillance, merciless psycho-treatment for the purpose of stupidity (the blunt is less capable of doing harm), etc. etc. This is how Western society is organized; this is its strength. A simple example. As soon as the government weakens even a little, what happens in this overseas West? "Handsome, civilized, intelligent", finally a god-like European or American starts ... what starts? He starts to rob. Still set on fire and rape a little. Commercials with an eye. Like, will I have time before they put things in order? In addition, I will be distracted by violence - all the tastiest things will be robbed without me ... You can watch the history of any major man-made disaster such as extinguished Manhattan.
    What about the Russian look? What, forgotten ?! Eh people ... Man is the essence of a warrior of the spirit, going towards truth and justice. Sovereign law is one thing. There is a more important one, immeasurably more ... But do you act in conscience? The author deftly and vilely perverts the example he cited, kindly announcing gently - who covered his comrade does this by weakness and by the desire for comfort. Like, I forgive my own, because he is mine. Lying !! Forgive me because it’s worth forgiving in good conscience. And when not in good conscience - I will not forgive. And if the sovereign does not punish, so I will punish myself! And that’s not all. A man who has left the law by his weakness is a dodger in the West, a hero! And we have? But there is no peace for the Russian man. If, of course, he likes Russian and not by last name. His law is within him, and this law is merciless - even if no one knows except you, you didn’t act in good conscience. So - guilty. How do Russians behave in disasters and accidents - should I tell you?
    Long can still be explained, once. Just think, why can you kill a Russian, but it is impossible to defeat him? Well, the author of this filthy poison wants to take away our strength from us. Cunning. Remember, Russian people, it’s impossible to defeat us! But by cunning, by vile, to deceive ... this, to our grief, it turns out. DO NOT succumb.
    1. danilatrg
      24 February 2014 21: 50
      +1
      Thanks for the opinion :)
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 24 February 2014 22: 10
        0
        Do you think you unlearned in the USA - did you understand the truth? You have two ways. One - the beast live life. You can in a beautiful suit, with beautiful manners, a vegan ... but still a beast. Hardened by someone else’s blood roof ... Since the person is smart, there will be a sea of ​​blood on you. Blood and tears.
        And the second way. You will understand. What I'm talking about you will understand. People hang themselves from this, you know ... Live the beast. Live long, rejoice ...
    2. uhu189
      uhu189 25 February 2014 11: 04
      0
      Michael, you're right. Trying to replace conscience with law-abiding is the road to nowhere. It is much simpler and easier than developing for each person in himself a sense of conscience that will not allow people who make up society to do unjust things. It is much easier to drive everyone under the rule of law. And who will be able to assess the degree of justice of this law, if everyone will stupidly obey it? Who will write these laws in whose interests? Why develop people's morality, work on themselves and educate others, if you just make them stupidly live by someone’s rules? An ideal herd of slaves who do not even understand their slavery. Does the author want such a life? I don’t want, and I don’t want to live like in Europe ...
  41. individual
    individual 24 February 2014 21: 45
    +2
    The author of the publication forgot to write that if a cleaning lady steals a broom, then she will be fired, and if an official, a security officer makes a raider seizure of an enterprise, then with these funds he will make a "nest" for himself in the west.
    Nobody canceled the living example of Taburetkin and his accomplices ...
  42. hrenodir
    hrenodir 24 February 2014 21: 49
    0
    Article plus! Huge plus! The article really sets the topic of double standards. And the real confirmation is that you must always start with yourself. I have a car and a son. When I drove my son to school and someone ran across the road in the wrong place, he yelled good obscenities. The car broke down. We went on foot and when I tried to take a shortcut, my son just asked, "Dad, you are" your mother "since then, only green light and driving according to the rules. I recommend to everyone. We will be healthier. We must at least sometimes put ourselves in a different place.
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  44. kgbers
    kgbers 24 February 2014 23: 04
    0
    Quote: individ
    The author of the publication forgot to write that if a cleaning lady steals a broom, then she will be fired, and if an official, a security officer makes a raider seizure of an enterprise, then with these funds he will make a "nest" for himself in the west.
    Nobody canceled the living example of Taburetkin and his accomplices ...

    I agree. Some steal to survive - necessary. Others - with fat and a lot. The former receive, as a rule, in full, and the latter, mostly conditionally, or can pay off. This is injustice. As for the examples given by the author of the article, in both cases (in Soviet times, in the 70s), in their teams, the drivers would have been convicted and, hardly, who would have stood up for them.
  45. Not hearing
    Not hearing 24 February 2014 23: 39
    0
    Saltykov-Shchedrin:
    If I fall asleep and wake up in a hundred years and they ask me what is happening in Russia now, I will answer: they drink and steal ...

    I wanted something: either the constitution, or the stellar sturgeon with horseradish, or someone to strip.

    In all countries, railways are used for movement, and in our country, moreover, for theft.

    When and what bureaucrat was not convinced that Russia has a pie to which you can freely approach and eat?

    The strictness of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation.

    Well, that's not the case with us, brother. We would not only have eaten apples, but the branches would have broken off everything! With us, the other day, Uncle Sofron walked past a mug of kerosene - and he drank it all!

    In order to steal with success, you need to have only agility and greed. Greed is especially necessary, because for a small theft you can go to court.

    There are legions of tomboy who speak the language of "state", and in their thoughts - a pie with government stuffing.

    More than a hundred years have passed since it was written - and how relevant. Plus, a strong person takes responsibility for himself, changes himself and makes life around him cleaner and better. And the weak will always look for excuses, such as: "I am not like this - this is how life is."
  46. innei
    innei 25 February 2014 01: 38
    0
    oh oh do you remember. Nuremberg and it's over for you ????
  47. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 25 February 2014 01: 42
    0
    Again "teach" ZATSEV ... how to love the Motherland ... angry
  48. Engineer
    Engineer 25 February 2014 03: 10
    0
    But it's true .. This article is not some kind of revelation. Maybe it turns out that everyone will see the "specks" in their eyes.
  49. papik09
    papik09 25 February 2014 05: 18
    0
    To the author - FAT PLUS drinks The article is excellent. "CONCEPT relative truth. ”And few of the respected members of the forum wondered, what is it and what it is eaten with? The phenomenon of relative truth depends on specific external conditions and internal factors of cognitive activity... Any newly emerging knowledge can be relatively true. smile Here, somewhere like that.
  50. Dim1
    Dim1 25 February 2014 10: 09
    0
    Quote: platitsyn70
    some thieves want to profit at the expense of other thieves. Janek was caught up with portfolios already being sold, min fin, customs and other posts. Class

    everything is back to square one
    http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/02/25/7016155/