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Is it worth splitting Ukraine. Russia dominates, not sharing, but uniting

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The question in the title is rather complicated. But note: I say it is “worth it,” since it is quite clear that the decision on a possible split will be made by politicians, and not by the people of Ukraine. Moreover, I think: the people of Ukraine would have decided to split a long time ago.

From time immemorial I said: the majority of Ukrainian citizens are in their native language, in their native culture they are Russian. But only recently I learned how large this majority is. And already quoted several times the data of the famous sociological service Gallup. In order to avoid misunderstandings that have happened more than once during the discussion of these data, let me remind you how they were received.

In 2008, the Gallup service conducted a large sociological survey of the state of affairs throughout the post-Soviet space. Many very different aspects were investigated at once. Therefore, we prepared large questionnaires. The respondents themselves had to fill them in - naturally, in the presence of agency representatives, so that they could prompt, if necessary, explain the exact meaning of this or that question. These questionnaires, of course, were prepared in two versions: one in the language of the title for the area where the survey took place (it took place in all fifteen former Soviet republics, plus some of them have officially recognized national regions — say, There are a couple of dozen of these in Russia, but in all the languages ​​of all these republics and regions sheets were prepared, they were distributed according to the title language of the locality), and besides, they also prepared sheets in ordinary Russian literary language. And each survey participant chose for himself whether to answer him in the local language or in Russian. Thus, the Gallup (?) Service received data not about what language people call their mother tongue, but what language they really speak, what language they actually use in everyday life.

So, in Ukraine, five sixths of the surveyed population chose to answer sheets in Russian. It is clear that agitation is not in vain. Judging by the discussions on blogs and forums, quite a few people are quite sincerely convinced: since they live in a republic called Ukraine, it means they must use what is now called the Ukrainian language, and if they do not use it, they even experience some kind of moral guilt. they say, how could I give in so much, so Russify. Nevertheless, it just shows that they are mostly Russian.

It is clear that most of the citizens of Ukraine, to put it mildly, are not very happy with the fact that they are proclaimed by people at best of the second grade. We are not satisfied with the fact that violent Ukrainization is taking place in the country. By the way, the Ukrainian dialect of the Russian language is constantly shuffled in order to bring it closer to the Galician dialect of the Polish language.

Undoubtedly, if Ukraine were given the opportunity to express their will in a referendum on a properly formulated question, then these citizens would most likely consider that the joys of living in one state in no way redeem the shortcomings of such a life. That is why all attempts to hold referendums on key issues of the state structure are somehow disrupted. Millions of signatures were collected for a referendum on the state status of a normal literary Russian language, not only its Ukrainian dialect - but the referendum was never appointed. All attempts to collect signatures for a referendum on the choice between the European and Eurasian Union are blocked - up to the fact that several times the court forbade the collection of these signatures. Actually, just from the fact that these referendums are broken or blocked, it is clear what the result may be. If there were even the slightest chance that the result of the referendum as a whole would suit the current government, and the “mistakes of fortune” could be corrected by manual dexterity (that is, the results of the referendum will differ from the wishes of the authorities within what can be falsified ), then undoubtedly the referendums would have been held a long time ago. Similarly, any attempts to change the state structure of Ukraine from unitary to federal are blocked. It is by the fact of blocking all these events that it is possible to determine what the inevitable outcome will be.

Accordingly, I think that now a very significant part of the citizens of Ukraine will consider current events as an excuse to finally save the Russian majority from the Galician minority and lead a normal life. So the split of Ukraine in the current circumstances seems to me very likely.

Moreover, I suppose that this split would be to some extent beneficial for the Galicians too. Firstly, although their oil fields are old and pretty well developed, and besides, the oil in them is heavy, highly paraffinic, and therefore difficult to produce - but with the current market conditions they would have had enough of developing these fields for more than a decade less safe living. In addition, they would get rid of the constant pressure of the Russian majority, since the action is equal to the opposition - the more the Galicians are trying to bend the Russian under themselves, the more the Russians resist. In addition, the Galicians for many centuries in a row remained in status, in fact, the servants of the Poles — therefore, even now a significant part of the Galician slogans boil down to the desire to become servants in Europe again; and in the case of secession, Galicia will soon again fall under Polish control, and the dream of those who scream about European choice will come true, meaning by this choice the opportunity to travel to work west.

Western Europe, this split is also beneficial. That is, of course, dumb, that the main European value - pipes for supplying Russian gas - is under the control of a herd of thugs, but after all these scumbags are now sitting on the same pipe and each time they threaten to block the valve or anything at all. . And when Ukraine is divided, the Galicians themselves will be under serious control of the West. Europe will, at the very least, know who will unscrew their heads if something gets stuck with precious pipes. Therefore, in the final analysis, the division of Ukraine is also beneficial to the European Union.

And to whom it is categorically unprofitable?

First, the Washington Regional Committee. He uses, as a matter of fact, for a long time already the only source of his power, differences between others. The more of these differences, the more profitable for him. If people start fighting among themselves, then Washington gets the opportunity to divide and conquer.

But in the long term, the division of Ukraine is unprofitable by the Russians themselves. Galicians once were also Russian, and so far not all of them have forgotten about it. If we now completely give up Galicia and give it to our own destiny, then we will break one of our main rules: Russians do not give up theirs.

I myself from the moment when the idea of ​​independence of Ukraine first moved from the area of ​​idle talk to the area of ​​possible, it seemed that the best way out for us all was to separate from Galicia. Moreover, my own election campaign in 1994, when I was running for the Supreme Council of Ukraine, I conducted under the slogan "For independence from Galicia, for reunification with the rest of Russia." But now, having become a couple of decades smarter, I suppose that this position of mine deserves the name of a capitulatory one. Even if the vicissitudes of modern political destinations force us to give Galicia its own difficult fate for some time - we are still morally obligated to look for ways to correct the consequences of the experiments on the Galicia mentality that have been conducted since the middle of the 19th century, and someday reunite not only Ukraine , but also Galicia with the rest of Russia.
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  1. RUS96
    RUS96 22 February 2014 12: 15
    -1
    They say the plane Enukovich landed in the UAE! That's it.
    1. jjj
      jjj 22 February 2014 12: 25
      +6
      Many more we will see the most unexpected and amazing things.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 22 February 2014 14: 42
        +2
        Quote: jjj
        Many more we will see the most unexpected and amazing things.


        Yes, in general, we have already seen the most interesting. Now it’s interesting who will play the final.

        Ontole is too soft on its historical homeland. Why is Galitsaev sorry. There would be to give them what they want - to protect Galicia with barbed wire and shove all the Galicia there, so no, after all, normal Ukrainians will be fenced with a thorn ...
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 22 February 2014 16: 20
          +1
          hi
          Back in April, I wrote about the gay European association -
          Against the background of the ongoing Maydown Sabbath of the Euro-Zombies, the feeling of an approaching disaster does not leave me - the collapse of the Civilization created by our ancestors during the 7521 year from the Creation of the World, a civilization called Northern or Russian.
          The collapse of the Soviet Union, which lasted only 74 of the year since the October Revolution, is considered the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
          74 years and 7521 years, the difference is 7447 years.
          Seven thousand five hundred twenty-one years of history and development, sweat and blood of Russia thrown into the dustbin of history ?!
          It does not fit in the head.
          How then, after realizing what happened, will we call this?
          If now, in 22 of the year, the majority of residents of the republics of the former USSR express the most impartial epithets to Gorbachev, or, more simply, they swear as soon as they can, what will we call those who betrayed the centuries-old aspirations of Russia?
          After all, with one movement of a pen under the agreement on the association of Ukraine with the EU, as from the category of a fraternal country for Russia, Belarus, it will turn into the category of "friendly", i.e. will become an adversary (not an enemy!), like Poland, for example, or Romania.
          Or does someone think that after ratification Ukraine will be able to pursue an independent policy or “sit on two chairs” of the EU and the CU, standing in opposite corners, simultaneously? - I’m afraid that Nenko’s buttocks will not be wide enough - and even the Geyropey perverts of all colors are not asleep.
          And after that, will Ukraine return to the historical path of its development?
          When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear and the Pereyaslavskaya Rada will meet? Who knows?!
          And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...
    2. askort154
      askort154 22 February 2014 12: 34
      +3
      RUS96 ... They say Enukovich’s plane landed in the UAE!

      In the morning there was infa. - to Kharkov ???. Aw, maidan, where is your pyrodent?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        In the morning there was infa. - to Kharkov ???

        KIEV, Feb 22 - RIA Novosti, Dmitry Zhmutsky. The organizers of the congress of deputies of the South-Eastern regions of Ukraine, scheduled for Saturday in Kharkov, did not plan to participate in the event of the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych, there is no information about the arrival of the head of state from Kiev to Kharkovhttp://news.mail.ru/politics/17081154/
        1. askort154
          askort154 22 February 2014 13: 14
          +2
          Alexander Romanov ... there is no information about the arrival of the head of state from Kiev to Kharkov ..

          In short, Yanyk took advantage of the smoky "Maidan sky" and flew away .......,
          and I, naive, thought that he would go in a swamp. Although, perhaps, he had lost a little.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 22 February 2014 13: 23
            +16
            Wasserman wised up for 20 years, but does not seem to be aware of some of the most important phenomena.
            1. So Bandera in the service of Hitler destroyed Orthodoxy and the Orthodox - narodsobor.com.ua/news/view/17/
            2. So destroyed under previous authorities
            ruskline.ru/analitika/2010/02/08/papa_ioann_pavel_ii_i_ukrainskie_uniaty
            "After a papal visit in 2001, Cardinal Guzar officially declared all of Ukraine the canonical territory of the Uniate Church."
            materik.ru/rubric/detail.php?ID=6272http://materik.ru/rubric/detail.php?ID=6272

            Obviously, the terror will now begin not just against the Russian language and Orthodox culture, but physical extermination, genocide. Let not like Hitler - with the help of death camps, gas stoves, etc. - but on the basis of new achievements of European thought.

            That is why Galicia must be separated.
            1. calocha
              calocha 22 February 2014 13: 51
              +5
              It needs to be cleaned from scum, it’s stupid to separate, since separation will only aggravate everything
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 22 February 2014 14: 49
                +2
                Quote: calocha
                It needs to be cleaned from scum, it’s stupid to separate,

                We still can’t clean up the North Caucasus, but you also offer Banderlogia. Understand that Bandera is not only in the west, they feel at ease in the center, there is a small amount in the southeast. How to clean them?
                1. mountain
                  mountain 22 February 2014 20: 24
                  0
                  We? Did you clean it?
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 22 February 2014 13: 31
          +7
          seems to have to call the Old Man, let him unite Russia, Belarus and Ukraine ... unfortunately there are no others ...
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        4. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 22 February 2014 16: 23
          +5
          hi
          "Bloody" guarantor having everything, and asked ... l everything that is possible.
          There can be no respect for this, the so-called to the leader, about whom every neo-Nazi gay. European trash wipes his feet.
          And there is only one way out - together with re-election of swouts, to hold a referendum on the geopolitical choice of a country (CU or EU) and its federal structure ...
    3. huut
      huut 22 February 2014 12: 57
      +1
      They say the plane Enukovich landed in the UAE!


      Yeah, more precisely in the capital of the UAE - Kharkov.
      http://top.rbc.ru/politics/22/02/2014/906627.shtml

      BUT!

      At the Kharkov airport, information about the arrival of the plane of the President of Ukraine was denied.
      http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/993291

      If he really pulled quietly, then the country will begin to divide already without looking back. The Congress of Deputies will just consolidate the southeast.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 22 February 2014 13: 21
        +22
        Hello everyone, I just returned from Kiev, the situation is still the same, power has fallen, Police officers are being beaten, uniform gangs roaming around the country, I saw such people in Chernihiv (Russian city))
        Yanuk betrayed the country, instead of putting things in order, he cried out about the “election” cares about a billion that lies in the west .... although he does not understand that the country has begun to “tear” and need a sacred sacrifice - he is the best candidate (for the role of the hanged Hussein) )
        The blood of the Slavs was spilled, there were a lot of traitors among the police officers, the Security Service of Ukraine, though, in fairness, I note that something is being done, the same conversation is Nuland .... but that's all .....

        Many told me if Russia would somehow designate itself ....
        But even here the traitors ,,, sent Lukin, who does not remember, this is Kozyrev’s creature that sold the Amer to the strait between the USSR and Alaska))))
        I’m going back, there the War will begin in hours, the canyd cane to the East, Donetsk, Odessa, Sevastopol .... I do not exclude the possibility that the Council or Yanuk himself (as a traitor) will turn to the West to send troops .....
        Since the puppeteers need the eastern part and the Crimea ....
        There the situation cannot be rectified already, a divided Ukraine of the EU is not needed (I repeat)) the Slaughter of the Slavs will begin ... since there are most Russians there ...
        Gomel drove)))
        1. huut
          huut 22 February 2014 14: 17
          +2
          Quote: Asgard
          Slaughter of the Slavs will begin ... since there are most Russians there ...

          Who will cut the minority? Well, in that case, it will quickly end, for they will cut it out already.

          The "transfer" to the east will not last long, judging by the mood of this east. The number of militants also does not imply serious large-scale battles. Clashes and pogroms.

          Threat. Yanukovych did show up in Kharkov, according to his adviser.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 23 February 2014 04: 05
            0
            Quote: huut
            Who will cut the minority? Well, in that case, it will quickly end, for they will cut it out already.

            To make it easier to explain, here is a quote:
            CTEPX RU January 27, 2014 08:53 What can happen in Ukraine?
            Bloodless scenario (best)
            Yanek (or another legitimate person) becomes the second Rygorich, relying on the decisions of the Rada and the power units, distributes to all sisters by earrings, and by oligarchs by baklus)). It is deprived of all accumulations withdrawn to the West.
            -Military scenario (worst)
            The chaotization of Ukraine is achieved, which saturated with militants of all stripes, NATO troops are being brought into the west of Ukraine, and on the territory of Ukraine, the world war so necessary for some to reset debts begins: bandits of all times and peoples with the support of "civilizers" against Russia. Yanek’s fate ... is used only for propaganda purposes.

            All other scenarios are derivatives and intermediate from the first two.


            Or do you think the militants in Syria are about to end?
        2. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 22 February 2014 21: 06
          +3
          Quote: Asgard
          just returned from Kiev

          save the yellow bandage, you will show and tell grandchildren
          or throw it, so God forbid, do not tease Bendera
          ---------------
          but seriously, the South-East of Ukraine and Crimea should go to Russia (Zhirinovsky announced the Kremlin’s position today), and you interfere with your comrades
          I know that you do not respect GDP, but in this case he is right
          -----------
          anyway, GOOD LUCK!
      2. muhomor
        muhomor 22 February 2014 17: 05
        0
        I bring my thought to you. Nobody will share anything. There is no leader who is not afraid of Western sanctions. Banderlog already denounced by law will come to the South and East, knock down monuments, erect their own. The current bosses will only whimper, cry out and on a massive scale (like the people's deputies from the PR) go over to the side of the powerful people. And the "real" people of Ukraine live in the West of the country. The rest are all ersatz and wordless.
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 22 February 2014 14: 14
      +9
      yesterday I said one hundred from Yanuk, the president is from the city of bullet, I apologize to th ... well, from this substance the bullet is much better than the president from the above subject
    5. varov14
      varov14 22 February 2014 15: 05
      0
      "Is it worth splitting Ukraine. Russia rules, not dividing, but uniting" --- If it were the policy of our state, then --- "It is clear that most of the citizens of Ukraine, to put it mildly, are not very happy with the fact that their are proclaimed as second-class people at best. They are not happy with the fact that the country is essentially undergoing violent Ukrainization. "--- it is this state that in every possible way prevented the Ukrainization of the population and documented that they were Russians, and this happened due to such and such such political collisions.
    6. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 22 February 2014 15: 37
      -4
      Gentlemen, it’s time to stop shabbling by those who will not be allowed to, It’s about a split, Bullshit is the first one to pronounce the DEAD, How YOU grabbed a dummy that the majority unfortunately pecked at, None I repeat again no party any group any will allow this, All these spells do not cost a split penny, Believe that any movement in this direction will instantly stop and act not an example quickly and very tough, Especially now when the country is on the verge of big changes, Do not even dream about it, Always Maidan said there will not be a split, but it will be a real force and will quickly bring anyone to life. Everyone says only one country is one,
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 22 February 2014 23: 09
        +3
        Igor, you are naive ...
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 22 February 2014 23: 36
          +3
          You know, probably, that we have two Kremlin horns: Leontyev (However) and Zhirinovsky.
          Here is what Zhirinovsky said today:

          According to Zhirinovsky, early elections in Ukraine will not help stabilize the situation in the state. And the only way out is to divide the country into three parts.

          - Kiev Ukraine is the center of Kiev, let the Maydans sit there. Nationalists let them go to Lviv. And let the east and south come under our jurisdiction. And everything will calm down, Vladimir Volfovich believes. - Everything will be fine. Central Ukraine will starve, and Lviv Ukraine expects total unemployment. There will be no work. Tomorrow we have every right to turn off the gas. They have not paid since September. And do not give any money, demand a return of two billion and that's it.

          The LDPR leader also expressed his support to the participants in the congress of deputies of local councils of southeastern Ukraine, which takes place in Kharkov.

          - I want to wish success to all representatives of the South-East of Russia who gathered at their meeting in order to make the right historical decision. About reunion with Russia. Collective Bogdan Khmelnitsky. Return to the bosom of mother Russia. These are Russians. Like all of Ukraine, this is Russia. Kievan Rus, do you remember how it all began? This is the Austrians invented Ukraine. There is no Ukraine, but there is Russia. And there live Russian people. All clear?
    7. Setrac
      Setrac 22 February 2014 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: RUS96
      They say the plane Enukovich landed in the UAE! That's it.

      They say chickens are milked in Moscow?
    8. Sandov
      Sandov 22 February 2014 18: 35
      +4
      Accordingly, I think that now a very significant part of the citizens of Ukraine will consider current events as an excuse to finally save the Russian majority from the Galician minority and lead a normal life. So the split of Ukraine in the current circumstances seems to me very likely.
      Little Russia will benefit from this.
    9. aepocmam
      aepocmam 22 February 2014 20: 37
      0
      Not Yenukovych, but Yevnukhovich ...
  2. siberalt
    siberalt 22 February 2014 12: 19
    0
    Yanukovych fled to Africa. They won't let him back, the pepper is clear. If Yulia follows the recommendation of the "pope", he may become president. laughing True, it is not clear what.
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/337/bpuf51.jpg
    1. igor67
      igor67 22 February 2014 12: 45
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      Yanukovych fled to Africa. They won't let him back, the pepper is clear. If Yulia follows the recommendation of the "pope", he may become president. laughing True, it is not clear what.
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/337/bpuf51.jpg

      Maybe you already forgot how in 2004 the Russian prosecutor’s office put Interpol on Tymoshenko wanted, in connection with a corruption case in the Russian Defense Ministry? She managed to inherit everywhere
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 22 February 2014 12: 59
        0
        How long does it take to recall the wanted list? And you can not leave Ukraine before the election. Then immunity. Something like this.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 22 February 2014 13: 06
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          How long does it take to recall the wanted list? And you can not leave Ukraine before the election. Then immunity. Something like this.

          everything was withdrawn and settled long ago, and it was announced that the Russian Federation has no claims to the "spit" ...
        2. igor67
          igor67 22 February 2014 13: 14
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          How long does it take to recall the wanted list? And you can not leave Ukraine before the election. Then immunity. Something like this.

          Just what is the point of changing one repeat offender to another? Yanyka for the collapse of the economy, for bringing the country to a civil war for life, it's a pity I do not see the real Leader.
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      3. Horst78
        Horst78 22 February 2014 13: 42
        0
        She’s still a sneak, but a beautiful woman has to admit a pancake repeat
        1. varov14
          varov14 22 February 2014 14: 52
          +1
          So the patient, well, they said, breathing frankly, did they lie?
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 22 February 2014 15: 50
            +1
            Quote: varov14
            So the patient, well, they said, breathing frankly, did they lie?


            She will also survive us laughing
            1. Nick
              Nick 22 February 2014 17: 15
              0
              Quote: Old Rocketman
              She will also survive us

              Yeah, she definitely didn’t sniff, in contrast to some of us ...
        2. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 22 February 2014 23: 13
          0
          Quote: Horst78
          I have to admit a beautiful woman

          translate into Russian?
      4. muhomor
        muhomor 22 February 2014 17: 11
        0
        Julia came to the Russian Gene. the prosecutor’s office, though already in the rank of prime minister. Then she stated that she had answered all the questions and there were no complaints to her.
  3. Docklishin
    Docklishin 22 February 2014 12: 22
    +3
    The split of the country is not beneficial to anyone. Because subsequently, this fact will be fertile ground for the revanchist of minded people to start another storm with cross-border conflicts. And then the question will arise about the recognition of new states .... I repeat the change of government and the head of state should be. And I’m sure it would happen, BUT in the 2015 elections and according to the LAW. I can’t understand one thing ... than Ukrainians did not like the idea of ​​a customs union .... Sorry.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 22 February 2014 12: 48
      +1
      The split of the country is beneficial to the vultures who expect to make money on it. Such were in 1991, they are now. And there are still Western neighbors, some of whom are not even embarrassed in their claims not on the territory of Ukraine.
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 22 February 2014 12: 55
      +2
      Quote: DocKlishin
      what Ukrainians did not like the idea of ​​a customs union.

      This idea was not liked by America. It has already poured millions of dollars into Ukraine and now, the customs union is a replacement for the Warsaw Pact, but only now with the spread to Asia. Even Turkey is eyeing this ratio in trade. Amer with their debts lose a tidbit.
    3. The centurion
      The centurion 22 February 2014 13: 33
      -6
      Quote: DocKlishin
      what Ukrainians did not like the idea of ​​a customs union ...

      How are western Ukrainians different from eastern? Westerners consider that the European Union should maintain them, while the Easterners consider that they should be maintained by a customs union, more precisely, Russia. Well, what is the use of all of them, and from those and others? Only an extra, but at the moment simply unbearable, burden on the budget. It was the Germans who understood and threw them with the European Union. It's time for us to understand. Let them understand each other in utero, within the framework of their independence, for which they fought so much.
      1. muhomor
        muhomor 22 February 2014 17: 15
        0
        This is yes. This is their family dismantling, but Russia is not at all indifferent to what 1000 km will be. border. Friendly or "Baltic-Georgian".
  4. nikoli25
    nikoli25 22 February 2014 12: 24
    0
    Quote: RUS96
    They say the plane Enukovich landed in the UAE! That's it.

    And where does this information come from? are there any facts
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 22 February 2014 12: 53
      0
      Quote: nikoli25
      And where does this information come from? are there any facts

      There are no reliable facts, but indirect ones are available: http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/accidents/-prezidentskiy-samolet-sel-v-aeroportu-fudz
      heyra-v-oae-22022014045900
    2. RUS96
      RUS96 22 February 2014 13: 05
      0
      Russia24 from there infa
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 22 February 2014 13: 26
        +3
        Confirmed by Tsarev from Kharkov. The police will no longer work. In Lviv, robberies of banks and a jeweler, robberies on the streets and roads. Further along the roar. algorithm. This cannot be stopped without an emergency. This is where the national leader will emerge. From the Communist Party, less la-la, and more action. What have they been doing for 20 years? Have you wiped your pants in the Rada? A mass exodus began from the Party of Regions. It looks like it will be banned. The swara for power is just beginning. Over the past couple of days 16 monuments to Lenin have "fallen".
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 22 February 2014 14: 49
          +2
          Quote: siberalt
          Over the past couple of days, 16 monuments to Lenin "fell".

          They are in vain. Monuments tend to take revenge sometimes. winked
          You can not very quickly in the presence of a screaming crowd to break the established harmony of the ether. what
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  5. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 22 February 2014 12: 24
    +1
    If they want it and get it from the Emirates, it all depends on the Ukrainians themselves. It turned out, if it's true: "The Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave! The Maidan nits will follow, if the people come to their senses.
    1. muhomor
      muhomor 22 February 2014 17: 18
      0
      No, I won’t come to my senses. The people will begin to adapt. This is the Ukrainian mentality. Now the cops are running over. Nar.depi run and paws raise.
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  7. Docklishin
    Docklishin 22 February 2014 12: 25
    +2
    Trading is positive. Gas is almost in vain, and selling the surplus to the left could have been - 100% would have turned a blind eye to this. Again, they cooperated with our defense industry. + More money would come into the budget. And so are salaries and payments to state employees. And so the Nazis, nationalists, homosexuals and various rabble decides the fate of 45 ml of the country.
  8. major071
    major071 22 February 2014 12: 27
    +8
    Of course, Wasserman is the smartest man and thinks sensibly, but how many people have so many opinions. United Ukraine may not exist. If the East and Crimea make such a decision, then the West will fall off. The current government escaped, and these bedding mattresses in political terms are nothing of themselves.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 22 February 2014 13: 03
      +1
      Quote: major071
      If the East and Crimea make such a decision, then the West will fall off.

      Hi, Vova hi
      1. major071
        major071 22 February 2014 13: 12
        +6
        Hi Andrew! hi Unfortunately, I can’t watch the video on my working computer, so I’ll look at home, after work.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 22 February 2014 13: 18
          +1
          Quote: major071
          on my working computer my video is not visible

          footage of the atrocities of Maydanuty to the music of A. Alexandrov
  9. demotivator
    demotivator 22 February 2014 12: 31
    +8
    Russia dominates, not dividing, but uniting

    When our three peoples were in one state, we had no equal anywhere and in nothing. Take sports only - at any Olympics we did not fall below the prize places. If today we also acted as one team, then only one of our sister from fraternal Belarus, the magnificent Daria Domracheva would bring 3 gold medals to the common piggy bank. Yes, plus also our Olympians, then the Ukrainian team did not look as pale as it looks today. 20th place of Ukraine in the team event - is that a worthy place for an independent? When we are together, we are strength. And individually, each one’s weaknesses can be seen with the naked eye.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 22 February 2014 12: 59
      0
      well, seriously, remember, and project the sport today, to the USSR team. There is an adequate and logical explanation for the performance of any team in competitions
    2. kaa_andrey
      kaa_andrey 22 February 2014 13: 24
      +4
      While we are one, we are not victorious!
      Unfortunately, politicians do not understand this, or understand that they are working against it.
      1. RND
        RND 22 February 2014 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: kaa_andrey
        While we are one, we are not victorious!
        Unfortunately, politicians do not understand this, or understand that they are working against it.


        You know how the cops call corruption - "earned", but in theory - should serve. So the politicians must serve, but they - "work", who gave more, and lick that.
        However, I did not discover the truth.
    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 22 February 2014 13: 36
      0
      This is not only we know, but also "our partners". We see the results of this understanding now in Ukraine. While Kiev seems to have fallen ... We are retreating in slender rows to previously prepared positions.
  10. Skif
    Skif 22 February 2014 12: 31
    +1
    Yes, no one will get anyone (and will not be able to) ... If this sheds - no one, even with a great desire. This is Ukraine, not Israel (they’ll get them out of the ground), unfortunately ... But, as history teaches, Judas do not live long ...
  11. ZU-23
    ZU-23 22 February 2014 12: 34
    +1
    Bandera on the kipip.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 22 February 2014 13: 03
      0
      And what are they boiling about? The Minister of the AMD has already been fired, the prezik has fled, the Golden Eagle has left the Maidan.
      1. kaa_andrey
        kaa_andrey 22 February 2014 22: 35
        0
        This is a warm-up, they have far-reaching plans:

        From an interview with an activist of the Right Sector:

        - It is better to build your own national state!

        - That is, "to her - to the knives, and the Jews - to the ropes"?

        - Well, not so stupid, - Yegor is offended. - Ukraine should have Ukrainian power: the titular nation should prevail in business, politics and culture. All corrupt officials must be put to the wall, the property of the oligarchs - given to the people, and then forced Ukrainianization. Russians won't like it? Well, let u ... yut back to Russia! But do not want to - we will help. Russians are not Slavs at all, but Tatars and Finno-Ugric peoples. They thump themselves, addict, but they think of themselves as an empire and want to drive us into their “Taiga Union”. We will not allow this! ..

        - Well, you get rid of the Russian, and then what?

        - And then we will go to free our lands. Voronezh, Kursk, Belgorod regions and the Kuban - these are all Ukrainian territories!
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  12. Ussuriets
    Ussuriets 22 February 2014 12: 35
    +2
    The name Viktor did not help Yanukovych, and brought three gold to our athlete Viktor Anu. Sorry, that’s not the topic.
  13. Salamander
    Salamander 22 February 2014 12: 35
    +9
    In my opinion, you still have to separate! Do not need a gang of Natsik in Russia! It seems to me that the ideal way out would be the introduction of troops into Eastern Ukraine and the sending of armed units in Galicia - to gather those who wish. But this is ideal ... And it won’t be like that. crying
    But the Ukrainian government by itself cannot provide order - something must be done! Soon "Berkut" will get tired and ...
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 22 February 2014 13: 17
      0
      Ukraine is saved: Unfortunately, the mood of the peoples does not depend on the borders of districts or regions. And if we compare zapadentsev with a tumor, then according to the medical term, it is necessary to remove those areas that could be infected with cancer cells. If this is compared with gangrene, then it's time to apply the folk remedy: "fly larvae" that feed on dead flesh and do not touch the living, no other method provides such a clean separation of the dead from the living. But it is only necessary to note that the opposite side considers Eastern Ukraine infected with "communist propaganda" and sees themselves as liberators from "her." By the way, "b" from the Church Slavonic language is "soldier". Therefore, I do not quite understand the use of this word in relation to Russians: after all, living in the Murmansk region. I don't consider myself a Muscovite. "Moscow does not give us buns!" - as they said in one movie. There is also no explanation for the word "Katsap". There is the word "Katsev" a brazier for burning incense in the church, there is "Katsiy" - such. and "Katy" - which. Ukraine, explain if you can, whether there is a meaning of these words in the Ukrainian language.
    2. avt
      avt 22 February 2014 13: 46
      0
      Quote: Salamander
      In my opinion, you still have to separate! Do not need a gang of Natsik in Russia!

      This fact is quite understandable, given to the people of Kiev. And against the backdrop of the real offensive of outright Nazis - the heirs of Hitler's lackeys, Wasserman, a man not stupid, gives out this! ??? ------ ,, From the moment when the idea of ​​Ukraine's independence for the first time passed from the sphere of idle talk to the realm of the possible, it seemed to me that the best way out for all of us was to secede from Galicia. Moreover, in 1994, when I ran for the Supreme Council of Ukraine, I ran my own election campaign under the slogan “For independence from Galicia, for reunification with the rest of Russia”. But now, having become a couple of decades smarter, I believe that this position of mine deserves the name capitulatory. " negative ----- the Jew is going to continue to build the Nazi state, which was built since the humpbacked times and came to this decision of the further construction of "Square" 777 Did he take someone hostage? Or a new installation was received, well, exactly in exactly sings like our gozmans-Shevchenko. Why did he suddenly sing the song of the merged prezik of Ukraine - Ssynukovich? He himself understands that there is no place for him and his relatives, in that new Ukraine of the Galician spill?
  14. Skif
    Skif 22 February 2014 12: 37
    +1
    Yes, one more thing: what trade, what prospects, what, comrades, have you fallen from the moon? Yes, with such a mess, everyone will shy away from the unfortunate Ukraine, like hell from incense ... It is not known how it will end, but then there is a split or a trade ... There is already a split and it will only get worse, the second without comment
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 22 February 2014 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: Skiff
      from unhappy Ukraine shy away, like hell from incense.

      Sorry Skif, but I have to argue: the Bulgarians were destroyed and it would seem, what to take from them? But no! took the gold mines, promising that they would give 2% of all production. But they applied new technologies, new equipment, and they row gold from the bowels of Bulgaria, and when they are asked: "How much do you mine?", They answer "This is a commercial secret." They have completely destroyed all production facilities, even Bulgarian buns cannot be found in Bulgaria, and they say: "Buy from us." They give loans so that people can buy rolls, but loans are stolen from the top. The Soviet yoke, when 70% of the economy of Bulgaria was tied to trade with the USSR and gave everyone work, is a thing of the past and 70% of the economy collapsed into oblivion. "Buy Bulgarian buns! Fresh, fresh from Germany!"
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 22 February 2014 23: 24
        0
        Quote: shasherin_pavel
        "Buy Bulgarian buns! Fresh, fresh from Germany!"

        It's right. A special case: there is a chain of Russian stores "Beryozka" in Bulgaria. Ours created. Almost all products are from Germany: black bread, Borodino, etc.
  15. Docklishin
    Docklishin 22 February 2014 12: 43
    0
    In the place of our government - I would not shy away like the devil from incense. And he took the position of actively sponsoring the eastern regions, where pro-Russian leaders are located.
    1. Slavapom
      Slavapom 22 February 2014 15: 05
      0
      It is necessary to sponsor specific actions, and not thoughtlessly give out money to the right and left.
  16. Arhj
    Arhj 22 February 2014 12: 43
    0
    The question in the title is rather rhetorical. In fact, the split took place. Yanukovych fled from Kiev, there is no legal power in Kiev, and Yatsenyuk and Co. can become legal power only if they do not vote east and south. Right now it is time for global players to appear on the scene.
  17. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 22 February 2014 12: 45
    0
    correctly writes Anatoly Wasserman, I agree, but for Ukraine at the moment we need a sensible politician, and where to get this, if only to invite Lukoshenko he would be able to restore order in both the west and the east.
  18. Altona
    Altona 22 February 2014 12: 46
    0
    Onotole’s article is just a set of thoughts ... The autopsy of Ukraine happened, or rather, takes place, with unclean hands and the methods of a village konoval ... The situation is changing rapidly, it is profitable for the West, it specifically involved the Olympic period so that we had our hands tied .. .
  19. Rus2012
    Rus2012 22 February 2014 12: 49
    +1
    The question in the title is rather complicated. But note: I say it is “worth it,” since it is quite clear that the decision on a possible split will be made by politicians, and not by the people of Ukraine. Moreover, I think: the people of Ukraine would have decided to split a long time ago.

    From time immemorial I said: the majority of Ukrainian citizens are in their native language, in their native culture they are Russian. But only recently I learned how large this majority is. And already quoted several times the data of the famous sociological service Gallup. In order to avoid misunderstandings that have happened more than once during the discussion of these data, let me remind you how they were received.


    ... by and large, the split is not beneficial to Russia.
    It would be much more profitable to have Ukraine a bloody fraternal ally and mediator for communication with Europe ...
    This alone would require the "authorism of the red empire" (by the way, I don’t see anything wrong with this phrasing - under this we became the nuclear-space super empire, where, in general, it was not so bad and lived, as we now understand ...) or an age of calm life is near.
    BUT! Politicians create splits 6o - "divide and rule" - the motto of the Anglo-Saxons and others like them.

    Just yesterday, for a long time I talked to my soul-mates with my friend, Khokhl (about 5, neither he nor I hold anything bad in this word) ...
    I learned a lot, although I’ve known each other for a long time ...
    He says, we are both Russians and Ukrainians, we do not have such a large territory, so we are all about everyone in our environment and in the country, unlike you know.
    For us, "Fuhrer", "boxer" and "rabbit" are unambiguous and meaningful klikuhi. Just like the "prisoner", and he is NOT OUR, came from Belarus ...
    We still have a "rural community" or Maidan in force. We stand as a wall for our own circle. We have mutual responsibility. We know our roots until the 7th generation. So we are more closely connected with our shared history. It is also easy to deceive us with bright (and false) ideas ...
    What you don’t have ...
    Indeed, we no longer have such a community, we are so far divorced from our roots, tribes and kinship.

    Of course, he speaks mainly with the traditions of the village, small towns.
    Residents of the same Kiva in my opinion are less different from us ...

    But, the separation is likely to happen nonetheless ... For they have been prepared for too long with our connivance ...
  20. ilya_82
    ilya_82 22 February 2014 13: 01
    +3
    Of course, we can’t abandon our own, even in Galicia, but with such problems with demography, we cannot pick out forest brothers from their caches for decades, as it was after the War. Now Russian blood is priceless, people need to be protected, to revive the nation. Only Czechoslovak divorce I see as the best option. Bendera do not want to live with us - Poland will help them.
  21. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 22 February 2014 13: 08
    +8
    I disagree with the promise about the Galicians that they former Russians will not return them and they will never be Russian
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 22 February 2014 13: 47
      0
      We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. What did it have to do with it? All were human beings - only Galicians have long degenerated into animals.
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 February 2014 13: 22
    +1
    Here men can laugh .. And Bandera saved me yesterday ..! (From work I came sober as usual I visited the sites but my wife (Polish blood.) Began to take out the brains .. (Bandera blood damn) .. it was dangerous to argue with her for a walk and there the frost with the wind ... (and most importantly, the mobile phone took away. ...) There was only money for coffee and for beer ... no one on the streets .. I feel like I started to freeze .. This Bandera .. blocked the door .. I intelligently knocked and left .. But I remembered that the Russians were not giving up! I went to the second assault already tough (opened ..))) Today I bought a son with a machine gun with bullets ..
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 22 February 2014 13: 45
      +2
      Well, at least at night that "avenged" once - another? repeat
  23. nikoli25
    nikoli25 22 February 2014 13: 51
    0
    Quote: RUS96
    They say the plane Enukovich landed in the UAE! That's it.

    Yanuc was found, he is in Kharkov!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 22 February 2014 14: 16
      0
      give a link to the info
      1. demotivator
        demotivator 22 February 2014 14: 33
        0
        President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych is in Kharkov on a working trip. This, according to UNN, said the adviser to the head of state Anna German.
        On Saturday, according to Herman, the president intends to meet with local voters and speak on television. Yanukovych’s participation in the congress of the Ukrainian Front, which will be held in Kharkov, is not planned, she added.
        Also, the presidential adviser assured that Yanukovych will sign all laws passed on the eve of the Verkhovna Rada.

        http://lenta.ru/news/2014/02/22/found/
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 22 February 2014 14: 42
          0
          already found, in the morning I was on the road just arrived, and on the radio they said that they could not find him
  24. Bezarius
    Bezarius 22 February 2014 14: 09
    +2
    It is necessary to separate, because Western Ukraine is a real cancerous tumor and a center of destabilization. Better let them go to Poland, if they so wish.
  25. ddmm09
    ddmm09 22 February 2014 14: 15
    0
    Ukraine will withstand these adversities!
  26. homosum20
    homosum20 22 February 2014 14: 30
    0
    Dear Anatoly Wasserman!
    Today is no longer up to the Galitina. Without Donbass Crimea would not stay.
  27. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 22 February 2014 14: 34
    0
    February 21. Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, said that the coming of the opposition forces to power in Ukraine would lead to "deep chaos" and the division of the country.
    According to him, reports Lenta.Ru, the threat of partition of the country will arise "if these so-called democratic opposition leaders succeed and come to power" on the shoulders "of thugs." Churkin added that radical sentiments in Ukraine could "infect" Europe.
    Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2014/02/21/1236119.html

    So that this "deep chaos" does not have time to penetrate the whole of Ukraine, separation is necessary until it becomes clear in the minds of the "maydanutyh" what THEY have done to their HOMELAND. Fascism begins with the destruction of monuments, and then the extermination of the "objectionable" by all kinds of ethnic cleansing. And when the east of Ukraine is restored, they themselves will ask when they see "the fruits of their labor" ...
  28. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 22 February 2014 14: 39
    +4
    The big game is in full swing ... Putin’s calm and doesn’t say much .. it seems that geopolitics in Russia are seriously occupied by people from reconnaissance and moves are counted for the distant future ... I think Ukraine’s entry into the TS is conceived through voluntary cleansing by fire and probably no longer states and provinces as part of Russia ... oh, how not everything can be thought out simply and smartly ... this is one of the hypotheses ... but it has the right to life ... There are no former scouts, this is an axiom ... this corner can be danced. even necessary. Wait and see .. VVP has not yet gone to this party .. soon we will see ... a beautiful sketch ... PS In this version, Ukrainians themselves will get rid of 5 columns, and not with Russian hands
  29. Gkeaper
    Gkeaper 22 February 2014 15: 43
    +1
    Let them crack !!! It is high time for us to understand that neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians are any brothers or us. For centuries, Russia has shown goodness and mercy on the world stage. It’s time to already become evil !!!
  30. Session
    Session 22 February 2014 16: 23
    -1
    The venerable clergyman introduced himself almost 20 years ago. Shortly before his death, he gave an interview. The haste takes when you read it. His prophecies, painted over the years, have partially come true. So say those who believe him. However, judge for yourself to believe or not to believe

    http://njxws3tgn4xhkyi.nblk.ru/2jmj7l5rSw0yVb-vlWAYkK-YBwk=c29jaWF0eS84MjAzOTRfU

    3RyYXNobmllLXByb3JvY2hlc3R2YS1wb2tveW5vZ28tb3R0c2EtR2VybWFuYS5odG1s

    Who cares, read.
    So far everything is converging.
    Brothers Ukrainians will believe and pray to the Lord that our land and our children live in a free and developed country.
    1. Session
      Session 22 February 2014 17: 20
      -1
      Quote: Seans
      The venerable clergyman introduced himself almost 20 years ago. Shortly before his death, he gave an interview. The haste takes when you read it. His prophecies, painted over the years, have partially come true. So say those who believe him. However, judge for yourself to believe or not to believe http://njxws3tgn4xhkyi.nblk.ru/2jmj7l5rSw0yVb-vlWAYkK-YBwk=c29jaWF0eS84MjAzOTRfU
      3RyYXNobmllLXByb3JvY2hlc3R2YS1wb2tveW5vZ28tb3R0c2EtR2VybWFuYS5odG1s

      Here is another link:
      Another link:
      http://joinfo.ua/sociaty/820394_Strashnie-prorochestva-pokoynogo-ottsa-Germana.h

      tml


      And also according to unconfirmed reports, they say that Yanukovych resigned.
      1. Nevyatoy
        Nevyatoy 22 February 2014 17: 29
        +3
        Lipa is Bendery and not prophecy. And you are a Bendera provocateur !!!
        And without prophecies, it is clear that the Orthodox will sooner or later punish the Greek-Catholic apostates, murderers and rapists from Galicia.
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    3. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 22 February 2014 23: 29
      +1
      Quote: Seans
      so that our land and our children live in a free and developed country.

      most likely they will live in three countries: Russia, Ukraine and Galicia
      Galicians will serve in Geyrop, Ukrainians will go hungry, and Russians will go on vacations to Bulgaria and Crimea through Kharkov. And, finally, super tanks from Kharkov will appear in the Russian army :)
  31. Thomas
    Thomas 22 February 2014 16: 33
    +1
    Gkeaper
    It is high time for us to understand that neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians are any brothers or us. For centuries, Russia has shown goodness and mercy on the world stage. It’s time to already become evil !!!

    Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are three branches of the East Slavic group of Slavs, and therefore are fraternal peoples. See the root!
    It’s just that these peoples are separated by all possible means of mattress covers.
    I am Russian, my wife is Ukrainian, so should I become angry with my wife?
    And about the daughter I generally am silent. If she gets angry with herself, then this will be a clinical case! laughing
  32. Thomas
    Thomas 22 February 2014 16: 39
    +1
    But about federalization is worth considering. It is necessary, first of all, to stop the revolution at the borders of the southeastern regions, mobilizing forces and people, and secondly, to hold a referendum on the possibility of federalization within the legal framework.
    Now in the Internet on vesti.ua there is a broadcast of the congress in Kharkov, but instead of engaging in specifics, they drive their hands. The situation is already clear, specific willful decisions must be made. On the other hand, the Rada has already set specific people. Avakov, here is I.O. The Interior Ministry did, and Kernes and Dobkin must understand that he can remember a lot of them.
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  34. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 22 February 2014 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Thomas
    Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are three branches of the East Slavic group of Slavs, and therefore are fraternal peoples. See the root!


    Will there be someone whose language turns to call this folk song foreign


    Something, brothers, Ukrainians, sooner or later we will tighten Bandera and gather at the table and sing this and other songs.
    PS Chur with you vodka.
    1. Chukcha
      Chukcha 22 February 2014 22: 48
      0
      And fat of different kinds
  35. Session
    Session 22 February 2014 18: 27
    0
    Quote: NeSvyatoy
    Lipa is Bendery and not prophecy. And you are a Bendera provocateur !!!
    And without prophecies, it is clear that the Orthodox will sooner or later punish the Greek-Catholic apostates, murderers and rapists from Galicia.

    I am not a provocateur. Linden or not linden - time will tell. Read the story, google what happened over the past 20 years in the country. You may find similarities.
  36. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 22 February 2014 18: 33
    +1
    I agree with every word of Anatoly. Everything is correct "grandfather" says. There is nothing to add from myself, but to rub graters for the sake of graters, I'm not interested.
    Thank you for the article.
  37. mvv
    mvv 22 February 2014 18: 59
    0
    Galicia - Poland, to create a buffer state in CENTRAL UKRAINE and clean up the Crimea and the Donbass.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 24 February 2014 14: 08
      0
      Quote: mvv
      Galicia - Poland, to create a buffer state in CENTRAL UKRAINE and clean up the Crimea and the Donbass.

      Do not clean, but return.
  38. Session
    Session 22 February 2014 19: 22
    0
    Accepted impeachment. New Presidential Election May 25
  39. Thomas
    Thomas 22 February 2014 19: 23
    -1
    mvv
    Galicia - Poland, to create a buffer state in CENTRAL UKRAINE and clean up the Crimea and the Donbass.

    Another provocation.
    Galicia - Poland

    Firstly, in Western Ukraine, Poles are no more loved than Russians. I spoke personally in Lviv and in the region. "poland" - the name of the state with a small letter, I hope, was not specifically indicated?
    create a buffer state in CENTRAL UKRAINE

    Secondly "Create" - how?
    buffer state - from whom, from given to the Poles of Galicia?
    CENTRAL UKRAINE - following the logic, "center" Ukrainians will live there.
    to tidy up Crimea and Donbass.

    And thirdly, "tidy up" - why not "prick", "grab", "zamutat" (your negative message to Russians and Ukrainians, like from the Russians, is understandable).
    "Donbass" - you don't like the mining region so much, why write with a small letter?
    And, in general, write, at least where are you from, otherwise there are a lot of such "handsome men", there is a checkbox, you open the questionnaire, and it is not clear where the person lives?
  40. rezident
    rezident 22 February 2014 21: 44
    -3
    Wasserman crawls into his own business.
  41. and why
    and why 22 February 2014 21: 54
    +1
    The partition of Ukraine is not beneficial to everyone except the United States. It is not beneficial to Russia, because it creates a tense field near the borders, and if you have to send troops, then this is the third hot spot, in addition to the Caucasus and Syria, that is, Russia will weaken. The partition of Ukraine is not beneficial to the European Union for the reason indicated by the author of the article, i.e. desire to secure the gas pipeline. The division of Ukraine is not beneficial for Eastern Ukrainians, since who wants to live next to the walk-field, firstly, and secondly, sales volumes will significantly decrease, incomes will decrease. The division of Ukraine is not beneficial for Crimeans, as it increases the protests of the Tatars, which Turkey can diplomatically support. The division of Ukraine is not beneficial to Western Ukrainians, as it breaks the already existing economic and budgetary ties, from which money to pay benefits, pensions, scholarships, etc. Well, the USA’s division of Ukraine is very profitable, as it allows Russia to thoroughly slander, drastically reduces, in case of armed intervention, its international prestige, distracts from other regions of tension: the Caucasus and Syria.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 23 February 2014 00: 20
      +1
      Quote: why
      It is not beneficial to Russia, because it creates a tense field near the borders,

      And the better the undivided, but Bandera?
      Quote: why
      The division of Ukraine is not beneficial to eastern Ukrainians, since who wants to live next to the walk-field

      Of course, it is better to live in a holistic state, when one half works, and the second periodically arranges maidans.
      Quote: why
      dramatically reduces, in case of armed intervention, its international prestige,

      It depends on what kind of interference, if they intervened and received, what prestige is there, but if piled on, respect will be increased
  42. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 22 February 2014 22: 31
    0
    View from the outside.
    All the years of independence, Ukraine was, if not the enemy, so the enemy of Russia. What are we losing? Problems. It seems to me that Russia is waiting for the end of the disease crisis. Purulent contents, western regions, will depart, wounds will heal and Ukraine will become a healthy state. I think the example of Belarus in this case will be indicative. No west place in the east. New Ukraine will become Russia's eternal ally. hi
    1. Nevyatoy
      Nevyatoy 23 February 2014 01: 53
      -1
      Dreamer! In eastern Ukraine, we (Russia) have friends with gulkin x ... Do not believe those who write here on the forum from eastern Ukraine. They have been turned into slaves in 20 years. Follow the news from Kharkov.
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 24 February 2014 14: 07
      0
      Quote: Asan Ata
      New Ukraine will become Russia's eternal ally.

      I hope for such an outcome, I do not want Bandera to torment the young.
  43. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 22 February 2014 22: 37
    +4
    Comrade officers! Happy Red Army Day! Hooray!
  44. Chukcha
    Chukcha 22 February 2014 22: 45
    +1
    Ukraine is united de jure, but already divided de facto.
    Nowhere to go, a split is inevitable if Ukraine is pulled west or east.
    The most correct way (IMHO) is a non-alignment policy. But it’s already too late.
    The strangest thing is that the West needs all of Ukraine, and Russia only needs the industrial southeast. It sounds cynical, but it seems that way.
    Although forecasts give a thankless job.
    We'll see.
    1. kaa_andrey
      kaa_andrey 22 February 2014 22: 53
      0
      but the "Right Sector" is unambiguous:
      From an interview with an activist of the Right Sector:

      - It is better to build your own national state!

      - That is, "to her - to the knives, and the Jews - to the ropes"?

      - Well, not so stupid, - Yegor is offended. - Ukraine should have Ukrainian power: the titular nation should prevail in business, politics and culture. All corrupt officials must be put to the wall, the property of the oligarchs - given to the people, and then forced Ukrainianization. Russians won't like it? Well, let u ... yut back to Russia! But do not want to - we will help. Russians are not Slavs at all, but Tatars and Finno-Ugric peoples. They thump themselves, addict, but they think of themselves as an empire and want to drive us into their “Taiga Union”. We will not allow this! ..

      - Well, you get rid of the Russian, and then what?

      - And then we will go to free our lands. Voronezh, Kursk, Belgorod regions and the Kuban - these are all Ukrainian territories!
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 22 February 2014 23: 36
        +1
        Quote: kaa_andrey
        - And then we will go to free our lands. Voronezh, Kursk, Belgorod regions and the Kuban - these are all Ukrainian territories!

        Bullshit. Ukrov has never been.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 23 February 2014 00: 11
      +2
      Quote: Chukcha
      The most correct way (IMHO) is a non-alignment policy.

      This way Ukraine has been since 91 years. Where we came to observe now. It's time to be determined.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 23 February 2014 00: 15
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        This way Ukraine has been since 91 years. Where we came to observe now. It's time to be determined.


        I agree! But only her (Ukraine) no one asks where to be determined, she is simply forcibly "identified", i.e. bent to the fullest ...
  45. Karabin
    Karabin 22 February 2014 23: 09
    +3
    Forecasts are a thankless task, but I see the further situation as follows. Janek is a political corpse that is not needed by either the East or the West; he will keep his buzz and quiet down somewhere. In Kiev, with the help of Euro-American friends, power will be correctly divided. Bandera people will be promised gingerbread, they will caress, calm down, reward and send home. The East will swagger, not receiving the necessary support from the Kremlin, and will put up with the new government. Dnepropetrovsk has already sworn an oath. Crimea will hold out the longest, but it will also merge. Our guardians of "international law" VVP and Lavrov, mainly for domestic Russian consumption, will shortly reproach the West for supporting neo-Nazis, for double standards and other crap, forget Bandera's spitting and begin to establish relations with "adequate forces." Business is business, and there is no place in it for the Russian World, or the Slavic Brotherhood, or the Memory of the Ancestors. God grant that I was wrong.
    1. Maxim P.
      Maxim P. 23 February 2014 00: 27
      +1
      Pretty plausible forecast. God grant that you are not mistaken. What is your point of view on changes in Russia over the same period?
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 23 February 2014 01: 18
        +1
        Quote: Maxim P.
        What is your point of view on changes in Russia over the same period?

        No changes. We have political stability. Fill the financial wounds after the Olympics. Oil and officials will be sold, the oligarchs will get richer, the GDP will become bronzed.
      2. studentmati
        studentmati 23 February 2014 01: 25
        +1
        Quote: Maxim P.
        God grant that you are not mistaken


        God grant that would be MISTAKED.
    2. Bezz
      Bezz 23 February 2014 00: 50
      +3
      Quote: Karabin
      Our guardians of "international law" VVP and Lavrov, mainly for domestic Russian consumption, will not long reprimand the West for supporting neo-Nazis, for double standards and other crap, forget Bandera's spitting and begin to establish relations with "adequate forces."

      I agree. Some forum users write that everything will be decided by bargaining between Moscow and Washington. I don’t think so.
      I am afraid that, as Kisa Vorobyaninov said - "Bargaining is inappropriate here!" To bargain, you need either a product or money. The USA has a lot of "free carrots", and they will print as much money as they need. What arguments does Moscow have - apart from the proposal to join the CU and the slogans "Kiev is the mother of Russian cities!", "We are a brotherly people," I personally do not see. Moreover, the United States in Russia has long decided its economic ambitions through the Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin-cooperative "Lake" -Duma-Federation Council. The United States conducts economic activities with Russia on the most favorable terms, these conditions will never change as long as your deputies, ministers, presidents have real estate and their own business in the United States and Europe, their children live and study there. Why should the US fight with Russia for Ukraine? It's easier to run into the American and European business of your officials - they will immediately sign everything. And political bickering is all blah, blah, blah - for the inhabitants, the semblance of activity, well, you need to justify the budget of a huge political apparatus. And we, here in Belarus, shiver, watching the tragedy of Ukraine. After all, and we can beckon with "free carrots". The only hope is for the AHL and its policy with Moscow for now. But nothing is eternal. Unfortunately.
      PSOn some sort of power actions on the part of Russia, only a madman can think.
      The Caucasus will seem like a sandbox. Yes, and see above the alignment of political influence. Let us hope for the prudence of the people of all Ukraine, and not of individual areas.
  46. Bezz
    Bezz 23 February 2014 01: 06
    +2
    Maidan is 100% provoked by the power of Yanukovych. His reasons: 1. Limitless deception (remember how he convinced the Ukrainian people for two years in a row that he wanted European integration, and then threw it.) 2. Limitless theft. Yanukovych’s children became billionaires during his reign, and Ukraine is even ahead of Putin’s in terms of corruption. 3. The economic crisis and the impoverishment of the people. Incomes of Ukrainians are many times lower than Russians, high unemployment, low pensions and salaries of state employees. 4. Arrogant unwillingness to engage in dialogue with the people and compromise. The whole story of the Maidan, starting in November, is about that. 5. Violence against citizens. Even when the protest was peaceful, Yanukovych used force against the people. So it was at night on November 30, so it was in December. 6. Usurpation of power. Amendment of the Constitution in their favor and adoption of dictatorial laws in mid-January (on foreign agents, on the ban on rallies, etc.). All this led to an uprising of the people and the overthrow of Yanukovych. The fact that his resignation will be resolved in the near future, I have no doubt. His Interior Minister Zakharchenko escaped from the country, so there is no one to defend him, but there is someone to declare impeachment. Parliament is likely to vote for it in the coming days. Now let's look at the Russian situation. There are all 6 reasons for Maidan in Russia. 1. Deception is even more vile and cynical than in Kiev. Remember the Kiselevs, Zhirinovskys, Zheleznyakovs, Solovievs who sprayed with saliva and called to shoot at the people. Stories about terrorists and fascists on the Maidan from morning to night on Putin's zomboyaschik. 2. About theft, I will not. You yourself know. 3. There is no deep crisis in Russia, but there is devaluation and stagnation of the economy. 4. There is no dialogue. There is a monologue of the Kremlin and sixes clapping their hands in ecstasy. The Duma alone is worth something. 5. Violence to the fullest. Political prisoners. Protests are brutally suppressed. 6. Usurpation of power is much more serious than in Ukraine. Putin has seized power and wants to rule to death. The difference is only two things. Putin has more money and people are more patient. But patience is not endless. Will the Kremlin learn the Maidan? Will they lie and steal less? Are they ready to return freedom to citizens and abandon eternal rule? I doubt it very much. Rather, they will continue to lie even more, grabbing more and clinging to power even more, relying on repression.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 23 February 2014 01: 44
      -1
      Quote: Bezz
      Maidan is 100% provoked by the authorities
      Tell me, Zemlyak. Why did you write, get approval, but why, the same thing when I wrote, got disapproval bully
      1. Bezz
        Bezz 23 February 2014 03: 58
        -1
        Healthy, land! It really hurts you look formidable, on the avatar! Afraid of mo.skali! You’ll come also to understand their crooks! Joke. Be healthy. May they succeed. And do not believe Putin’s zombie.
        Who is like, and I even with some pleasure observe the daily panorama of moral freaks under the control of the nightingale. Now it is completely obvious that behind the vicious opponents of the Maidan there is no substantive idea, no position, no truth. One can only wonder how quickly the next owner of the Kremlin gathered around himself a variety of lying footcloths, ready to forget about personal honor and dignity in a bowl of gratuitous stew.
        However, God bless them, with these clowns who dream of dividing Ukraine. Nothing will come of them. Ukraine will never return to the commun - Chekist stall.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 23 February 2014 11: 25
          0
          Quote: Bezz
          Now it is completely obvious that behind the vicious opponents of the Maidan there is no substantive idea, no position, no truth.

          The truth is somewhere in the middle, but not on the fucking Maidan.
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 23 February 2014 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: Bezz
      Political prisoners. Protests are brutally suppressed. 6. Usurpation of power is much more serious than in Ukraine. Putin has seized power and wants to rule to death. The difference is only two things. Putin has more money and people are more patient. But patience is not endless. Will the Kremlin learn the Maidan? Will they less lie and steal? Are they ready to return freedom to citizens and abandon eternal rule? I doubt it very much. Rather, they will continue to lie even more, grabbing more and clinging to power even more, relying on repression.

      Putin well done that does not allow banderlog to power. After EBN - a striking difference. Oligarchs and bureaucrats will press and horseradish gringo Maidan will receive in Moscow.
  47. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 23 February 2014 01: 47
    0
    Kharkov surrendered to the campaign. Although you probably can’t talk surrendered. Kharkov was originally for the Maidan. There are supporters of Maidan ten times more. Climbed onto the bulwark's site, this is what they write:

    "Now about 4 thousand" Euromaidanites "are near the regional administration.
    Protesters on Freedom Square began to destroy the houses that were built to celebrate Shrovetide, they break out sticks from the fencing and run to the Kharkiv Regional State Administration.

    Activists are accompanied by law enforcement officers. There are several masked people in Freedom Square.

    Activists said that today the demolition of the monument to Lenin is planned. They plan to transport him to KhTZ, this was reported near the Shevchenko monument.

    - See more at: http://www.oplot.info/content/harkovskie-evromaydanovcy-gotovyatsya-k-snosu-pamy

    atnika-leninu # sthash.H1JwZARG.dpuf

    And here is one of the comments from the same site:
    "Maxim 22.02.2014 - 20: 54
    They came from Marshal Zhukov. They called to join. 70 !!! a man got everything and this is with girls and grandmothers. We got pistols in the square. The police were ticking in front of us. I personally got lucky. Only gas spray got. So where have you all been? From 4 hours to 7-8 evenings? I am ashamed.
    "
    - See more at: http://www.oplot.info/content/harkovskie-evromaydanovcy-gotovyatsya-k-snosu-pamy

    atnika-leninu # sthash.H1JwZARG.dpuf
  48. Gkeaper
    Gkeaper 23 February 2014 02: 48
    0
    Quote: Thomas
    Gkeaper
    It is high time for us to understand that neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians are any brothers or us. For centuries, Russia has shown goodness and mercy on the world stage. It’s time to already become evil !!!

    Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are three branches of the East Slavic group of Slavs, and therefore are fraternal peoples. See the root!
    It’s just that these peoples are separated by all possible means of mattress covers.
    I am Russian, my wife is Ukrainian, so should I become angry with my wife?
    And about the daughter I generally am silent. If she gets angry with herself, then this will be a clinical case! laughing



    Yes, that's not the point. Yes, we are all of the same blood, brothers, but at the moment we live in completely different, independent states, with our own foundations. I'm talking about the fact that we, Russians, for many centuries united all these fraternal (and not fraternal) peoples to us, "fed, watered and clothed them", protected them in every possible way (remember the 19th century and the Transcaucasian princelings who crawled to our tsars on knees, asking for protection from the Ottomans, who slaughtered them like pigs), and now they all stick knives in our backs without hesitation. Let them squabble with each other, destroy themselves, and we will silently look at it, only taking away the tidbits that remain from them and rightfully belong to us.
    As for Ukraine, let them deal with their mouse fuss, but as soon as it touches the Russian population, our actual brothers, actions must be lightning fast and decisive: the introduction of the armed forces and its protection, cutting, shooting and burning a pro-fascist, Bendery bastard sparing neither men, nor women, nor old men, nor children. It is time to start acting like a millennium ago the Mongol-Tatars and the Ottomans a couple of centuries ago: to keep alive only babies, no taller than a knee, and in the future to educate them with hatred for their past and people and love for us, Slavs. We are too kind ... And because of this we have been suffering for many centuries ... Somehow, it’s boiling ...
  49. Thomas
    Thomas 23 February 2014 03: 23
    0
    As for Ukraine, let them deal with their mouse fuss, but as soon as it touches the Russian population, our actual brothers, actions must be lightning fast and decisive: the introduction of the armed forces and its protection, cutting, shooting and burning a pro-fascist, Bendery bastard will not sparing neither men, nor women, nor old men, nor children.

    Are you personally ready to cut, shoot and burn?
    What are you talking about?! Just imagining it is scary. Personally, my hand will not rise.
    I understand that if there is an armed attacking enemy in front of me, the population, although it is the soil on which anti-Russian sentiments are born and cultivated, are essentially just people who can fill their heads with anything. So they loaded a wagon and a full truck.
    And in order for this not to happen, you need to promote your information support and ideological basis, backing it up with substantial evidence of your innocence. To do this systematically, not only in the neighboring countries, but also in Russia itself.
    And understand if the Russians begin to act like the Ottomans, or the Anglo-Saxons or someone else, will cease to be Russian. The gut itself will turn out. How will we differ from them then? Not our methods.
  50. Gkeaper
    Gkeaper 23 February 2014 03: 25
    +1
    Quote: Bezz
    Now let's look at the Russian situation. There are all 6 reasons for Maidan in Russia. 1. Deception is even more vile and cynical than in Kiev. Remember the Kiselevs, Zhirinovskys, Zheleznyakovs, Solovievs who sprayed with saliva and called to shoot at the people. Stories about terrorists and fascists on the Maidan from morning to night on Putin's zomboyaschik. 2. About theft, I will not. You yourself know. 3. There is no deep crisis in Russia, but there is devaluation and stagnation of the economy. 4. There is no dialogue. There is a monologue of the Kremlin and sixes clapping their hands in ecstasy. The Duma alone is worth something. 5. Violence to the fullest. Political prisoners. Protests are brutally suppressed. 6. Usurpation of power is much more serious than in Ukraine. Putin has seized power and wants to rule to death. The difference is only two things. Putin has more money and people are more patient. But patience is not endless. Will the Kremlin learn the Maidan? Will they lie and steal less? Are they ready to return freedom to citizens and abandon eternal rule? I doubt it very much. Rather, they will continue to lie even more, grabbing more and clinging to power even more, relying on repression.



    Yes, complete nonsense. The only possible option for a repeat of the Maidan in Russia is the repeated coming to power of the pro-European comrade Medvedev. But, I think, comrade Putin already understands that this is not an option !!!
    Regarding the proposed scenario, the points are:
    1. "The deception is even more vile and cynical than in Kiev. Remember the spitting saliva of the Kiselevs, Zhirinovskys, Zheleznyakovs, Solovyovs, calling to shoot at the people. Stories about terrorists and fascists on the Maidan from morning to evening on Putin's zombie box." And in your opinion, babies with rattles were walking around in Kiev? And at the same time instead of "agu" they shouted "Glory to the Heroes !!!" and carried portraits of Bender. As for calls to shoot at the people, any sane head of state with a head on his shoulders would defend his regime in this way. All that is happening in Ukraine is a coup and any self-respecting politician would have smeared all this unfinished business in 1945-1947 long ago. bastard with tank tracks on the pavement (you can still burn it with flamethrowers and napalm) !!!
    2. "I won't talk about theft. You yourself know." They steal everywhere the same and the scale of theft is the same. Just don't say that everyone in the West lives honestly !!!
    3. "There is no deep crisis in Russia, but there is devaluation and stagnation of the economy." This applies to the whole world. And our country is no stranger to living in an economic w ... ne !!!