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What part of Russia in the government is considered unpromising?

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“If your city is unpromising, then we are coming to you!” - approximately the same “advertising” slogan could be used by the Ministry of Economic Development (MED) before starting the planned implementation of its truly Napoleonic plans. What are your plans?


The Ministry of Economic Development is already conducting an analysis of which single-industry towns (and single-industry towns are usually referred to as settlements if two conditions are met: the number of residents is at least 3 thousand people, 20% of the economically active population work in the same enterprise). After the analysis, those single-industry towns that will be on the “black” list of the Ministry of Economic Development (the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade term is unpromising) will be resettled according to the decision of the Government of the Russian Federation.

This information was shared by the representative of the Ministry of Economic Development Andrei Sokolov (head of the department of special economic zones and regional development projects).

Andrei Sokolov (for "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"):
The number of single-industry towns claiming state support will, of course, decrease. Those who will be out of the list will be dealt with by the regional authorities in the event of a crisis.


What part of Russia in the government is considered unpromising?


So, roughly the following picture emerges: federal officials will decide “the mono-city is more alive than dead” or “more dead than alive”. If officials determine that, in economic terms, the treasury cannot “fuck” from a single-industry city, then such a city falls into that very list of unpromising. Next, the government takes, so to speak, the final decision of the one-company issue - the decision on the actual liquidation of the one-company city as such.
What will be offered at the same time a resident of such a settlement? Well, if you are guided by the paper proposals of the Ministry of Economic Development, then the proposals are a lot. We list them as officials themselves designate them. To begin with, the residents will be asked whether they want to move to another place (they will probably ask, dismantling the enterprise itself at the same time, which has ceased to generate revenue for the treasury, cutting off the valves and cutting off the power lines ...). If the residents support such a proposal, then the state promises such residents a paradise life in another settlement ... At the same time, the Ministry of Economic Development declares that all transportation costs, as well as expenses for buying housing, assistance with temporary rent of living space in a new place, and even expenses for retraining (if needed) the state will take over. The purchase of housing in the company town from a person who decides to move, according to representatives of the Ministry of Economic Development, will be made based on the average cost per square meter of housing in a particular region.

At the moment, one of the components of monitoring the status of single-industry towns (there are more than three hundred such people in the country with a total population of 11% of the total population of Russia) is a survey of the owners and managers of those enterprises that are city-forming. The survey is conducted by the same Ministry of Economic Development in the hope of finding out exactly when and in what format these enterprises need government support.
In the meantime, the owners of city-forming enterprises are engaged in filling out forms, you can speculate on the plans submitted by Andrei Sokolov.

In Russia, there was a situation that dozens of single-industry towns are by and large on the verge of an economic abyss, and some have crossed such a line and today are experiencing "all the charms" of the free fall stage. A number of city-forming enterprises are simply breathing their last, for the reason that either the deposits near which they were built dried up (dry up) or the built-up management system turned out to be ineffective. People who worked (work) in such enterprises are actually deprived of any prospects, as the owners (enterprises), to put it mildly, are not so concerned about the fate of the workers. The owners are much more concerned about profitability, and if they see that it falls (the farther, the more rapidly), then their main task is to get rid of this unprofitable business as soon as possible by dismissing employees. This is the essence of the market economy, which we all (well, or at the expense of us) have been building all of the last two decades. A person in such an economy is a “secondary thing”, considered as an instrument that can generate income. It does not give income, which means that, as a cow that has ceased to give milk, is “for slaughter”. And the dismissal of a person in a city where only one enterprise functions is actually slaughter and is equivalent. Where will he look for work? What to feed the family?

The Ministry of Economic Development is going to solve such problems "with an asterisk" using the above listed surveys. No, in the proposals from the Ministry of Economic Development there is a zest: if life, forgive, r ... - then move, - they, they say, will help ... The idea is ingenious in its simplicity ... Yes, it’s not just a couple of hundred people who can be taken and on the wave of the government magic wand to be moved to another place - certainly paradise, but about millions of Russians. Where ultimately the mayor is going to resettle our compatriots? Where exactly to find in Russia the place where there is a suitable number of jobs for all those who are “asked” from single-industry cities? Would it not be easier to invest the funds allocated for the allocation of funds for the conversion of the production capacities of the single-industry towns themselves, in which people have both housing and, let's say, experience in living and working.

It is obvious that the vast majority of people who will be forced to leave the city-forming enterprises first, and then the company towns themselves, will face a heap of new problems. Will all these problems be solved by “compensation” from the government? - this is a separate question. To be honest, it’s hardly worth counting on, even if one considers that such compensation will affect every internally displaced person in full.

But the full amount of compensation, I'm sorry, is already perceived as a beautiful fairy tale. The fact is that with the "relocations" have already been incidents. It is enough to recall the moves of elite military academies from one Russian region to another, the appropriateness of which (travel) is still not explained by representatives of the bureaucracy. The reformers of the staff of military universities (and this is the country's scientific elite - candidates and doctors of science who gave military pedagogy to the decade) also promised golden mountains: new housing, relocation compensation, jobs. But in new places, those who decided to move, to put it mildly, did not wait. Only a few were able to find work in “optimized” universities, because there were “enough of them” there. People remained after many years of work for the benefit of the Fatherland (even if it sounds pathetic) without any prospects: in a new place and without work. Many tried to start virtually from the beginning, and many simply went back.

I wonder if the government is going to take into account the experience that it already has when implementing new “resettlement” plans. Or behind the good words about “state support” and “concern for financial well-being” there is again a banal desire to get rid of “ballast” in the form of millions of Russians who “created” both business owners and the government “problems” ...

The Ministry of Economic Development speaks of the "unpromising" of one or other single-industry towns with a proposal for their resettlement. Does the same Ministry of Economic Development, for example, recall a “unpromising" village? After the privatization orgy and optimization of creativity, thousands of villages in different regions of the country also lost their economic “prospects” ... Does this mean that villages that do not meet market principles also don’t wait for state support, but to get ready for a move ... the fact that in the government Russia itself would be called unpromising - it would be bought out and relocated “with compensation” ...

And who after this unpromising? - Villages with single-industry towns or all the same ...
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  1. Lantau
    Lantau 18 February 2014 07: 37
    +49
    I'd like to ask a question to those in power, and where are you? The fact that the new owners of the enterprises are not going to invest money in anything is as clear as day. And in this connection I would like to ask, where is the role of the state as a regulator of processes? Or is it more convenient for the state, not to flattery anything, not to pay attention to anything? Why is that?
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 18 February 2014 07: 56
      +32
      Quote: Lantau
      Or is it more convenient for the state, not to flattery anything, not to pay attention to anything? Why is that?
      It's easier. Do nothing, and the salary is dripping. I myself am in such a monotown. ROSNEFT has already become overwhelmed by its cuts in the volume and staffing levels. It would be better if their departments in Moscow were "optimized" sad
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 18 February 2014 12: 40
        +30
        Quote: Horst78
        It would be better if their departments in Moscow were "optimized" sad

        In fact, there are not many unpromising places in Russia. More precisely two. The first is the Moscow Kremlin (not as a historical monument, but as a gathering of the government) and the second is completely unpromising, it is at Moscow, Okhotny Ryad d. 1 (State Duma). In these parts of Russia, the situation is not clinically correctable.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 18 February 2014 13: 47
        +4
        It's easier. Do nothing, and the salary is dripping. I myself am in such a monotown. ROSNEFT has already become overwhelmed by its cuts in the volume and staffing levels. It would be better if their departments in Moscow "optimized" sad


        In the sense of? And where to put the kids? And the son got married, as a mother-in-law does not respect, so as not to squeeze from the light. And my daughter got married, my son-in-law how not to please, so as not to go broke on toilet paper? Strange you, do not swing at the sacred.
    2. predator.3
      predator.3 18 February 2014 08: 18
      +20
      Quote: Lantau
      I'd like to ask a question to those in power, and where are you? The fact that the new owners of the enterprises are not going to invest money in anything is as clear as day. And in this connection I would like to ask, where is the role of the state as a regulator of processes? Or is it more convenient for the state, not to flattery anything, not to pay attention to anything? Why is that?

      And those in power are preparing for the next "privatization", yesterday in the news, during a government meeting, Dimon announced a list of companies in which the sale of controlling stakes is planned for the next three years, these are Gazprom, Rosneft, etc.
      1. Fin
        Fin 18 February 2014 09: 56
        +18
        It is not promising in the country only the mediocre government lying on the dough, the rest can be raised.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 18 February 2014 10: 17
        +13
        Quote: Author Volodin Alexey
        in the government Russia itself will be called hopeless


        With a reservation - Only those parts of the country where there are no minerals, forests and black soil (in general, what can be sold without producing)
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 18 February 2014 10: 27
          +5
          Quote: Vadivak
          With a reservation - Only those parts of the country where there are no minerals,

          Well, we are producing oil and gas, so what? I just HATE this "dima iPhone government". When the realties find out why the GDP keeps them. He held Kosyanov, and then a kick in the ass. Eh, not still We see sad
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 18 February 2014 10: 43
            +15
            Quote: Horst78
            I just HATE this "government of dima iphone" When we find out why the GDP keeps them.


            Let me suggest that you hate Medvedev and not GDP.
            1. Horst78
              Horst78 18 February 2014 11: 01
              +2
              Done right Medvedev, too many complaints against him.
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          3. 222222
            222222 18 February 2014 12: 07
            +17
            "A nursery rhyme about a circus
            Today we will go to the circus!
            In the arena again today
            With a trained bear
            Tamer Uncle Vova.

            The circus goes numb with delight.
            I laugh holding on to dad
            But the bear doesn’t dare to growl
            Just sucks a funny paw

            He takes himself by the scrubs,
            Important bow to children.
            How funny in the circus
            With uncle Vova and the bear! "(Mikhail Yudovsky)
            1. 222222
              222222 18 February 2014 12: 09
              +4
              His own "Ukrainian" impromptu in the same style "We are also not samovitty, you can fill it with gul - Remember to Vitya Vitya. I try to shove Julia" ...
          4. Field
            Field 18 February 2014 13: 03
            +15
            Quote: Horst78
            When do we find out why the GDP keeps them. He kept Kosyanov, and then a kick in the ass. Eh, not still. We see

            Well, why? to be the most "clean"
            this is not me - this is the government, Kasyanov, Chubais, Serdyukov, Medvedev, Fursenko, Golikov, etc.
            You look at how not popular decisions are made, and you yourself will understand everything.
            1. valokordin
              valokordin 19 February 2014 02: 41
              +1
              Quote: Field
              Well, why? to be the most "clean" it is not me - this is the government, Kasyanov, Chubais, Serdyukov, Medvedev, Fursenko, Golikova, etc. You look at how unpopular decisions are made, and you yourself will understand everything.
              Indicated on the biochemistry of betrayal movie list.last names



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          5. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 18 February 2014 13: 49
            +8
            In the bullseye on their background, he looks very noble, but the fact is that he, too, from this team and his trace is visible everywhere, He does not renounce this course, Take them away and everything is KING Naked and looks very pompous and pushes all
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      4. ele1285
        ele1285 18 February 2014 12: 44
        +4
        Quote: predator.3
        Yesterday in the news, during a government meeting, Dimon announced a list of companies in which the sale of controlling stakes is planned for the next three years, these are Gazprom, Rosneft, etc.

        Who is the buyer? DAM, GDP, Red and Co. How to catch, the first thing on the count.
        1. vyatom
          vyatom 18 February 2014 14: 56
          +3
          Quote: ele1285
          Who is the buyer? DAM, GDP, Red and Co. How to catch, the first thing on the count.

          Well, my friend, we are swinging at effective managers.
        2. demon184
          demon184 19 February 2014 10: 41
          0
          unlikely, they just represent someone’s interests
      5. alicante11
        alicante11 18 February 2014 13: 52
        0
        And those in power are preparing for the next "privatization", yesterday in the news, during a government meeting, Dimon announced a list of companies in which the sale of controlling stakes is planned for the next three years, these are Gazprom, Rosneft, etc.


        They have been preparing since 2011. Rosneft has already been sold 10 times. And through American banks. Probably, it is not profitable, it is too expensive to maintain "departments", even for effective managers.
      6. demon184
        demon184 19 February 2014 10: 37
        0
        Such a pest as an iPhone, you still need to search
    3. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 18 February 2014 08: 40
      +23
      Quote: Lantau
      Why is that?

      Dear, well, have you just NOW noticed that the federal government has recently been doing nothing but “specious” pretexts to get rid of its direct, state (general) functions of managing territories. For for the above, in the imputed understanding - state authorities (officials) bear A RESPONSIBILITY!!! Getting rid of functions and shifting them to regionals, municipalities, etc., they, as you said -
      Quote: Lantau
      it’s more convenient for the state, not to flatter anything, not to pay attention to anything
      not responsible for anything.

      Here is a fresh example, I wrote recently. If there is anyone from Samara / Tolyati, confirm: they want to cut back on AvtoVAZ 7,5 thousand employees !!! Initially, "blame the rest" suggested the abbreviated "blow" to the Far East, they say there are specialized companies for the assembly of cars. Now I hear-Kaliningrad. What a concern!
      And all this against the background - ECONOMY IS GROWING IN US!

      Yesterday, here's the blame for privatization (partial laughing ) of shares of state-owned enterprises "reasoned", and the plan for this already in 2013 was already adopted. Here is the conclusion -
      Quote: waisson
      all privatized and abandoned while falling apart



      Quote: Horst78
      It would be better if their departments in Moscow were "optimized"
      1. Lantau
        Lantau 18 February 2014 09: 12
        +4
        I’m just very interested in how they sleep, their conscience doesn’t torment them?
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 18 February 2014 10: 34
          +12
          Quote: Lantau
          I’m just very interested in how they sleep, their conscience doesn’t torment them?

          I will answer you with a phrase from the song gr. PICNIC.
          "Interesting, interesting not to have what you want ..."
          What would conscience torment, should it be present as such? Do you think it is present at our bureaucrats?
      2. papuasimus
        papuasimus 18 February 2014 10: 24
        +11
        "RESPONSIBILITY" of officials ????
        Do not tell my horseshoes !!! (horse Julius from the cartoon)
        I have never heard !!!! that at least one !!! the official said, they say, he couldn’t, he didn’t finish it, he failed the business, I repent, I leave with shame, I’m ready to be punished for the mediocre profucing of budget funds .....
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 23 February 2014 12: 19
          0
          Here, perhaps only an exploding collar will help ... they pressed a button on the remote control, say 10 million citizens, and Adyu! A joke of course, but sad.
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 18 February 2014 10: 24
        +13
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        And all this against the background - ECONOMY IS GROWING IN US!


        Not anymore, the level of industrial production fell. Industry in Russia in January decreased by 0,2% compared to the same period last year. Maybe it was necessary to invest money in industry and not in second place in the number of bronze medals?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 18 February 2014 13: 54
          -4
          And was everything built there out of money or what? Or was it not industry and the construction industry that erected everything in Sochi?
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 18 February 2014 14: 54
            +9
            Quote: alicante11
            And was everything built there out of money or what? Or was it not industry and the construction industry that erected everything in Sochi?

            Winners of tenders

            The starting area of ​​the Ski Center is ILF Russland Engineering and project management LLC, (Not registered in Russia)

            Finishing area of ​​the Ski Center - LLC "ILF Russland Engineering and project management", Not registered in Russia.

            Bobsleigh Center - Stroyprofi LLC, Moscow. Ultimate Beneficiary PELAYIO TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED (Virgin Islands, British)

            Speed ​​Skating Center - OOO NIPKI Research Institute for Interregional Research and Design.

            Ice rink for figure skating and short track speed skating - Stroyprofi LLC, Moscow. The ultimate beneficiary is PELAYIO TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED (Virgin Islands, British)

            Big Hockey Arena - Stroyprofi LLC, Moscow. The ultimate beneficiary is PELAYIO TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED (Virgin Islands, British)

            Small hockey arena - Rostovgiproshakht LLC, Rostov.

            Curling arena - ZAO NIPI InzhGeo, Krasnodar. Ultimate Beneficiary Haarselhorst Pensioen BV Private Limited Liability Company (Netherlands)

            Olympic Stadium - LLC "Stroyprofi", Moscow. The ultimate beneficiary is PELAYIO TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED (Virgin Islands, British)

            Are there any other questions about construction companies?
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 18 February 2014 16: 01
              +1
              There are, and who is the beneficiary in the Virgin Islands? Not the same people who were "shod" in Cyprus?
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 18 February 2014 17: 01
                +4
                Quote: alicante11
                There are, and who is the beneficiary in the Virgin Islands? N


                You move away from the topic. I have listed foreign builders of Olympic venues. And you do not catch the essence. Money for the work done went to offshore. That is, from Russia, Tajik builders took their salaries home.
                Quote: alicante11
                In addition, have you ever encountered bookkeeping? How much money goes to different funds, to the tax, to allies.


                Which tax? Cypriot or British?
                Quote: alicante11
                and they already hire local subcontractors


                All subcontractors in the end turn out to be Tajiks and Olympic facilities, believe me, is no exception
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 18 February 2014 17: 11
                  +1
                  You move away from the topic. I have listed foreign builders of Olympic venues. And you do not catch the essence. Money for the work done went to offshore. That is, from Russia, Tajik builders took their salaries home.


                  And they returned from offshore "investments". Clean water "washed".

                  Which tax? Cypriot or British?


                  In the one to which 13% of charges are deducted, and also about 40% on FIUs, social insurance, etc. Just do not say that the objects were built only by Tajiks, otherwise the students of our Univer, who worked in the construction team that year, will be offended that you call them that :).

                  All subcontractors in the end turn out to be Tajiks and Olympic facilities, believe me, is no exception


                  I will not believe. I’ve cooked for 6 years in this kitchen.
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 18 February 2014 16: 04
              0
              In addition, have you ever encountered bookkeeping? How much money goes to different funds, to the tax, to allies. Plus, this is a general contractor, and they are already hiring local subcontractors. Of course, they have their own gesheft. But the economy did not get sick of money.
              1. pawel1961
                pawel1961 19 February 2014 23: 18
                0
                didn’t give anything to the economy. not to drive to the blizzard.
                1. fennekRUS
                  fennekRUS 23 February 2014 12: 23
                  0
                  Hit, just less than it could. Slogans are a good thing, but they have little relation to reality.
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          3. Vladimir 23rus
            Vladimir 23rus 24 February 2014 03: 36
            0
            All erected guest workers for a penny. I tried to work there myself and those pennies did not pay am
        2. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 18 February 2014 14: 28
          +4
          Explain to me how poor this growth is. In India, growth and the crisis are not complaining about growth in Indonesia and no complaints are heard and in Turkey the same thing is happening here and since the beginning of the year Mr. Ulyukaev has been complaining about the crisis there in Europe and says growth will simply be purely symbolic well, as in Brazil, but it will be higher, it doesn’t surprise you, it’s not just an economist, it’s a member of the economic bloc of the government, an economic growth of 1,9% has already been planned this year who doesn’t believe, listen to how they said it after DAVOS, Our government does not they have already decided everything for the economy and are fulfilling the decision, and you think the President doesn’t know then I’m sorry for YOU
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      5. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 18 February 2014 14: 12
        +10
        Here’s an interesting move. Collective farms were sold in Minsk at the end of 90 for 10 Bucks. Our children scoffed at this move of Minsk as much as they could. Like the republic’s most rejoicing, Chubais rejoiced most of all, and the whole thing was clearly spelled out by laws and the law didn’t give permission to destroy the enterprise. and the loan was more or less given by a divine non-predatory one, Time passed and how the village changed there and how we do, Tsubaisiks were there too, but they politely reminded the laws to be executed and slowly they went ahead, And we having everything began to stomp down there and Old Man for ours like a red rag with its republic and clear laws
    4. calocha
      calocha 18 February 2014 09: 38
      +4
      The invisible hand of the Market itself will regulate everything !!! So effective Managers believe ....
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 18 February 2014 10: 37
        +8
        Quote: calocha
        The invisible hand of the Market itself will regulate everything !!!


        Or Unknown Fathers - the saviors of the Motherland, The situation is like the Strugatskys in the Inhabited Island. The Unknown Fathers will say tomorrow: "Jump into the abyss," so he will jump. He won't even ask why. It should be, it should be.
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      3. Neophyte
        Neophyte 18 February 2014 13: 52
        +1
        Surely the redhead whispered to the little one.
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      5. Danash I
        Danash I 18 February 2014 15: 29
        +1
        I will correct. Defective managers, the term is introduced into the people on the acting
      6. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 18 February 2014 17: 12
        +3
        Last year, a huge group of our scribes was invited to MINSK on the DAY OF THE REPUBLIC OF MINSK. After the holiday, the FATHER invited those who do not want to write and take a tour of the country, please skate and take pictures yourself, but there’s something to watch and shoot, the most interesting thing is that you shot and don’t showed yes and wrote so-so, If our people saw and listened to our brothers, then PUTIN would behave quite differently, the questions were completely different for him at the meeting with the people, and after the POTASSIUM SYNDICATE was caught and it turned out to be not easy, but the government caught ours you’ve been worried about the white pen, For ours it’s just rubbish, and there they have been diligently trying to violate the law And our laws do not see anything unusual in this, How then to love LUKASHENKO if it made you worry at the highest level there are such things according to our laws
    5. a52333
      a52333 18 February 2014 09: 51
      +16
      Now let's ask the people what part of the government is hopeless.

      I vote for - - - hopeless Medvedev. lol
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      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 18 February 2014 11: 13
        +26
        Now let's ask the people what part of the government is hopeless.
        I vote for - - - hopeless Medvedev.


        And not only Medvedev. All the power of the oligarch-bureaucratic party "United Russia" is futile for Russia.
        Instead of building production in cities to produce industrial products and employment, the government proposes to abandon cities, acquired their native places and go to hell.
        Only enemies of Russia and its people can do this.
        1. pawel1961
          pawel1961 19 February 2014 23: 21
          0
          Vladimir yes are you a DROP?
    6. avt
      avt 18 February 2014 10: 07
      +14
      Quote: Lantau
      I'd like to ask a question to those in power, and where are you?

      In London, well, who can in Sochi now-they are rubbing themselves on the GDP.
      Quote: Lantau
      The fact that the new owners of the enterprises are not going to invest money in anything is as clear as day.

      request It was impossible to take seriously the mantra of the "Gaidarov Witnesses" about "an effective owner".
      Quote: Lantau
      And in this connection I would like to ask, where is the role of the state as a regulator of processes? Or is it more convenient for the state, not to flattery anything, not to pay attention to anything? Why is that?

      Weird question ! Yes, the same Ulyukaev, like all “economists,” are members of the previously mentioned totalitarian sect. For them, the USSR was “ineffective” and Russia, too. Just remember how many people were prescribed by the founder of the Gaidar sect of Russia and make sure that for them, for those who pray to the idol of the “All-Regulating Market”, there are still 60 million “extra” left.
      Quote: predator.3
      Dimon announced the list of companies in which the sale of controlling stakes is planned in the next three years, these are Gazprom, Rosneft

      Yeah, and according to the precepts of Gaidar and his herald Chubais - “Holy Investment” will come on everyone. What is characteristic, in contrast to that of Chubais - Twitter Nanatolevich piously believes in this.
      1. My address
        My address 18 February 2014 11: 33
        +7
        Dear Alexey hi !
        The time has come to hold a poll of the people (so far only a poll) on a similar topic:

        - WHAT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT RUSSIA CONSIDERS UNSPERTIFIED? am
        1. avt
          avt 18 February 2014 17: 31
          +3
          Quote: My address
          The time has come to hold a poll of the people (so far only a poll) on a similar topic:

          hi It hurts there everything is intertwined and tied, I think even with the organization of popular support ...... request It seems like there was an attempt - the People's Front "to collect it, but where to lead and under what banner - so they really did not decide. Again the beep goes off. Well, God forbid, what's serious? People will be gathered with such false starts ?
        2. alone
          alone 18 February 2014 21: 36
          +2
          Quote: My address
          - WHICH PART OF THE GOVERNMENT DOES RUSSIA CONSIDER UNSPECTIVE?

          It is easier to answer which part is promising))) Only the Foreign Ministry with Lavrov.
      2. Alan
        Alan 20 February 2014 22: 27
        0
        About the "holy investment" you powerfully pushed it :) Only these "investments" from the killed enterprises into the chamber of the "owners" flow (((
    7. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 18 February 2014 13: 34
      +3
      Hello, the questioners haven’t yet translated, No need for questions, our sages are doing everything right, Who are the right people in power are liberals, And they gentlemen have created a cozy paradise from the country for scammers, Yes, the average price for the region will be transferred further Moscow will be chosen, that is, from the government, you can be sure that they will earn such standards that you can’t buy a container for this money, or you weren’t interested in how war veterans justified the norms of meters per person, they probably didn’t look at the box and there the direct decree was very simple to give to veterans We lost a lot of health proving that it shouldn’t even be discussed, Our Duma baked so many laws where the authorities take responsibility in every way that all rogues will be there at a very high price, Name the region where they build housing in the region at an average price, They built it clearly and quickly where Putin’s control was there, not even a single company could utter a word and did it normally, Just add even more miserables that I’ll lose it’s all yourself to blame. You yourself have signed what demand is for us, In order for everything to be civilized, you need to change a bunch of laws and there will come out and responsibility for not fulfilling who will do it and nobody is going to change their power,
      1. pawel1961
        pawel1961 19 February 2014 23: 23
        0
        wrote a lot on shorter on before and it will be clear.
    8. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 18 February 2014 13: 40
      +4
      If it was in Belarus I wouldn’t worry, There’s also a market, but it’s civilized and people think, Something is not heard of the grandiose scams there, although the market is there, Most often they get in there who are used to behaving like in their own country
    9. alicante11
      alicante11 18 February 2014 13: 46
      -4
      I'd like to ask a question to those in power, and where are you? The fact that the new owners of the enterprises are not going to invest money in anything is as clear as day. And in this connection I would like to ask, where is the role of the state as a regulator of processes? Or is it more convenient for the state, not to flattery anything, not to pay attention to anything? Why is that?


      And who told you that the state under capitalism generally owes something to someone?
      In general, our people are still living with Putin, as Christ in the bosom. There, the village near the forest burned down due to a forest fire, they built a new one and for free. Though with jambs, but the roof over your head is better than the ashes. Cupid has spilled, the victims are allocated money, they are settled in accommodation centers, fed and watered, schools are organized. GDP flew in, officials put on a piston that they fed poorly, then flew in again and personally congratulated them on NG. Pensions are paid, the labor inspectorate is kept, so that there are places for the squabbles to turn. Even the tax employers are trying to blame for scanty salaries (though, here the FIU is more interested).
      So we have not yet experienced all the delights of the market. Ask entrepreneurs how they do it in the marketplace. You must insure yourself against every risk, and you will not be able to work. And then, when the insured event came, it turns out that they were insured against something completely different, and from this it was necessary to insure separately and voluntarily. Pay for every step. Pay every official. And everyone absolutely does not care who messed up, an employee, an official, a colleague who threw, the entrepreneur answers, and he answers with a wallet, property, etc. But at the same time, the workers should not care. So, wait until the apartment is described for the wage debts and the children go around the world? The day is clear that they are fired. And so far the people are only frightened. That the property tax will be like in Europe, that the compulsory liability insurance of homeowners will be introduced, they have been pounding water in a mortar for five years (and thank God). This is when the state will throw off the "burden of sociality". That's when we all will see the "social norm" as a cute New Year's joke from the kind uncle Vova (or there, Dima).
      1. Field
        Field 18 February 2014 15: 49
        +5
        Quote: alicante11
        And everyone absolutely does not care who messed up, an employee, an official, a colleague who threw, the entrepreneur answers, and he answers with a wallet, property, etc. But at the same time, the workers should not care. So, wait until the apartment is described for the wage debts and the children go around the world? The day is clear that they are fired. And so far the people are only frightened. That the property tax will be like in Europe, that the compulsory liability insurance of homeowners will be introduced, they have been pushing water in a mortar for five years now (and thank God). That's when the state will throw off the "burden of sociality". That's when we all will see the "social norm" as a cute New Year's joke from a kind uncle Vova (or there, Dima).

        Yes, the fact of the matter is that we do not want, as in Europe (where soon we will have to pay for each bunch). And I didn't really want something in the WTO (if someone does not know one of the conditions for accession is to raise energy prices to "global" prices)
        Quote: alicante11
        in general, our people are still living with Putin as Christ in the bosom. There, the village near the forest burned down due to a forest fire, they built a new one and for free. Though with jambs, but the roof over your head is better than the ashes. Cupid has spilled, the victims are allocated money, they are settled in accommodation centers, fed and watered, schools are organized. GDP flew in, the piston put in officials that they were fed poorly, then flew in again and personally congratulated him on NG.

        Wow, the good tsar king poured out bounty from the state. accounts.
        Well, watered. No wonder technologists eat their bread - they know when and on what to raise the rating.
    10. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 18 February 2014 17: 37
      +3
      It is better to take the entire government, headed by a lawyer dima and settle in one of these cities, in addition to turn off the water and light. They are there in the government altogether stupid, let us declare the government quarter to be a single-industry town and send it anywhere to Yakutia, let them freeze, economists are bad.
    11. Theophanes
      Theophanes 18 February 2014 18: 53
      +4
      The role of the liberal government is the destruction of industry, agriculture, medical services, education, the army and preferably the entire population of Russia, as prescribed by the American regional committee, WTO, Europe. The Gestapo-privatizators are capable of only one thing: to steal from the state and people. Chubais is the best case study.
  2. Vasily Ivanov
    Vasily Ivanov 18 February 2014 07: 40
    +22
    genocide...
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 18 February 2014 08: 55
      +25
      Add ... state ....
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 18 February 2014 09: 03
        +13
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/376/mles849.jpg
      3. valerei
        valerei 18 February 2014 10: 11
        +8
        Asgard, in Saratov, I saw similar pictures in the mid-90s, though at that time not all equipment was handed over to ferrous metal.
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    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 18 February 2014 10: 26
      +5
      Quote: Vasily Ivanov
      genocide...

      This applies more to the regions of Siberia and the Far East. It was here that there were mining enterprises that developed deposits, in the bulk. To organize production and retraining of personnel at a new location, this is a real concern for the population, for the country's economy. Tue can be compared to the situation since 1991. The Gaidar government said that there was no other way to save the economy, and that was it! There is no other government. And only after the collapse of the economy is already final, Yeltsin puts in place of this gang a government of business executives. And could the "Gaidarites" organize genocide
  3. Snipe 74
    Snipe 74 18 February 2014 07: 43
    +13
    What part of the government (deputies and ministers, oligarchs and officials ...) can be considered not promising?
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 18 February 2014 08: 56
      +7
      What part of the government (deputies and ministers, oligarchs and officials ...) can be considered not promising? -All 100%
    2. papuasimus
      papuasimus 18 February 2014 10: 25
      +1
      I think about 60-70%, about ...
      1. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 18 February 2014 16: 08
        +2
        maybe ... but the dropout conditions of unsuitable deputies, where are they? need a recall tool, reliable, efficient. let's say 30 thousand signatures from voters (an example is rude and exaggerated, but nonetheless) until there is feedback with voters, and the risk of flying out of Olympus with lightning speed will be a generator of nonsense and murky laws.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 18 February 2014 17: 13
          +2
          Come on, who will let you recall them? Is it in vain that money is paid for a place? Even if you collect the signatures, they will be declared fake. In the meantime, in general, the problem is that they were appointed as the party that you (or we) chose. So, will we recall the party :)?
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 19 February 2014 10: 59
            0
            purcua would not be pa? smile You can recall the party. I myself understand that the balloons, but the feedback in the system as needed. Absolutely fear lost.
  4. waisson
    waisson 18 February 2014 07: 47
    +17
    at first they all collapsed and now they make a helpless gesture why it is possible to feed the Caucasus with subsidies, it’s difficult to develop production because no one wants to work, but in the middle zone of Russia they are ready to work and nowhere else they have privatized and abandoned while falling apart or running arable land and sitting like dogs in the manger. Previously, in each province there was a particular production and all of them worked on the domestic market, why not again return to the USSR system of development of provinces and the far north and Siberia
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 18 February 2014 08: 00
      +11
      Quote: waisson
      at first they all collapsed and now they make a helpless gesture why it is possible to feed the Caucasus with subsidies, it’s difficult to develop production because no one wants to work, but in the middle zone of Russia they are ready to work and nowhere else they have privatized and abandoned while falling apart or running arable land and sitting like dogs in the manger. Previously, in each province there was a particular production and all of them worked on the domestic market, why not again return to the USSR system of development of provinces and the far north and Siberia

      What does the Caucasus have to do with ??? They don’t want to work ??? And what do they live on ??? On subsidies ??? No officials live on subsidies, who, in the form of kickbacks, send part of these subsidies to official friends from Moscow.
      And there it is difficult to develop production because the explosions and everyone pays tribute to Wahams. And why not ??? Because the state cannot ensure security. Then everyone fell into hysteria when, in a couple of months, 2 explosions were carried out in Russian cities, or that in Dagestan, only in one month, a bunch of explosions and executions takes place does not bother everyone.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 18 February 2014 14: 12
        +1
        What does the Caucasus have to do ??? They don’t want to work ??? And what do they live on ???


        Some live on what will be given for jihad, others on the fact that the state will pay for what jihadists are caught. The third is what they will do in our cities. Well, you already said about the officials.
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 18 February 2014 16: 34
      0
      Yes, they definitely made so many programs that if you remember that the roof will go and the good ones are on paper, you can get crazy about us everywhere, just remember HOUSING FOR YOUNG FAMILIES on ACCOMMODATION FOR TEACHERS AND DOCTORS, FOR MISSING RUSSIANS FROM CIS COUNTRIES FOR PERMANENT PLACE RESIDENCE IN RUSSIA more COMFORTABLE HOUSING YES BIG OF OTHERS, The whole charm is that the laws of our Duma work against these programs
  5. My address
    My address 18 February 2014 07: 51
    +10
    Liberasts from the government, higher school of economics, bureaucracy and oligarchy to promising Kolyma mines!

    In "unpromising" cities and villages to open new production facilities using gold and foreign exchange funds!

    Give the course for the development of the country from Moscow, to the very suburbs!
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 18 February 2014 07: 55
    +10
    By closing mono cities, we deprive the population of entire regions, it may still be better to develop new industries, rather than devastate our country. If the government cannot come up with anything, let it free from taxes all those living in mono cities, people themselves will somehow get out.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 18 February 2014 16: 37
      0
      You’ve definitely decided against Russia that they’ll accelerate this; the focus is no longer discussed in another way, as all this is consistent with the laws of our country, but here the dog is buried,
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 19 February 2014 07: 22
        0
        Gentlemen, you have completely forgotten the story. An interesting period will soon be bad. Who simply doesn’t remember the history of their country is bad, Civil ended on the statement of the Bolsheviks in 22, The development plan was really adopted there, And the situation was a hundred times worse, But they nevertheless took and sent all their efforts to accomplish this daunting task, A poor country in ruins and one program is more grandiose than another, The whole civilized world was shocked by these programs, How bad that history is quickly forgotten, First and foremost, probably all people are equal regardless of skin color religious affiliation and gender Can you imagine this, it was customary at that time when colonial empires earnestly sculpted their empires for almost 500 years and couldn’t even dream of equality, A poor half-starved country began to fulfill what was accepted, Young people were encouraged to study, new educational institutions opened where they never existed, Many people of the world could only dream of such things, And that was in a country where there was an absolute most of the people are illiterate if you do not believe, read the documents of that time, Yes, it was a terrible time, there were heroes and antiheroes, but we still feel the results of those efforts on ourselves, Now they have been cut for the majority, but something else remains, But the most interesting that the ruling elite of the Duma is fully using the rights that the majority of the people have lost, It’s bad that the younger generation has a very vague idea of ​​these, the other day the French president proudly declared only his country can be proud of its history and only it is the homeland of equal human rights, to a timid remark that somewhere = it’s done before there was a clear answer, show it doesn’t have such a country, And he is unfortunately right, our government presses all the pedals to forget about it,
        1. pawel1961
          pawel1961 19 February 2014 23: 25
          0
          Mr. Yegor write a lot where are the specifics?
  7. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 18 February 2014 08: 02
    +24
    There are no unpromising cities, there is a brainless government, only this way and not otherwise. Short? hard? but true. I think so.
    1. the polar
      the polar 18 February 2014 08: 42
      +11
      Quote: vladsolo56
      There are no unpromising cities, there is a brainless government, only this way and not otherwise. Short? hard? but true. I think so.

      Not brainless, but criminal!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 18 February 2014 08: 49
        +6
        Quote: Polar
        Quote: vladsolo56
        There are no unpromising cities, there is a brainless government, only this way and not otherwise. Short? hard? but true. I think so.

        Not brainless, but criminal!

        One does not interfere with the other, it is quite something both.
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  8. koksalek
    koksalek 18 February 2014 08: 04
    +5
    We have carried out such measures for the "resettlement" of the same Kizelovsky district for at least the third time, and each time officials cheerfully report on the successful completion, but in fact only the development of funds is successful. Then, when the next monetary funds loom, a wave of "concern" rolls over the officials again, at the sight of the coin the eyes begin to shine, breathing quickens and the reflex of cheating and grabbing is manifested. Another scam on a large scale, everyone knows how such "events" end, some pretend not to notice, others - what they are doing
  9. Intensive
    Intensive 18 February 2014 08: 05
    +10
    it’s like clearing a territory under capture by someone external or internal

    they’ll break everything, and then they will dump him on the next Serdyukov, and the tsar says nothing to do with
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 February 2014 08: 17
    +14
    First, they cut production in cities, then declare them single-industry towns, and then ... I think that everyone will agree with me, the most unpromising part of Russia is the government.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 18 February 2014 09: 53
      +7
      I agree, it seems that they have forgotten who the country is from, completely lost touch with reality. The credit of trust of the authorities is not endless, despite the foreign policy successes, abandoned and robbed people will not make any Olympiad and World Cup more loyal to the authorities.
      PS I played "Civilization" more accurately than they rule the country. Although I have never lived in "monotowns", this attitude of the authorities towards the people is already enough: housing and communal services, another privatization, "nanotechnology", now the "great resettlement" ... We are not a herd and some kind of "little thing" will be the last, and for them, and, the saddest thing, for Russia ...
      IMHO
    2. pawel1961
      pawel1961 19 February 2014 23: 28
      0
      no . bankrupt from the beginning. during bankruptcy they are allowed on metal and that’s it. goodbye.
  11. mountain
    mountain 18 February 2014 08: 20
    +1
    It's simple, there should be a development program for each subject of the federation and regions, based on geographical and economic information.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 18 February 2014 10: 26
      +2
      It’s simple for you, for me, I won’t say that it’s simple, but understandable, but for an official it’s easier to sign his own incompetence and professional impotence, he still won’t get anything! How can this even happen: screaming that the country lacks working hands (heads, brains) and at the same time complain about the potential unemployment of 11% of the population! All in all, it’s business, in my amateurish opinion, to determine in each specific case, to drag work to people or people to work. But you need to think the same, work, invest money, and here - the market will clear everything out - we are out of business.
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  13. Stinger
    Stinger 18 February 2014 08: 30
    +16
    If the government cannot provide jobs to the population, then why should the population provide jobs to the government?
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 18 February 2014 10: 27
      +5
      Quote: Stinger
      why should the population provide jobs for the government
      And not a small salary. Why? what
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 18 February 2014 16: 44
      +2
      And here you are fundamentally wrong, they earn their own money selling everything that’s left, since they are so eager to hold on to power, there’s something else to do, When they don’t, they go with a smile to live where they consider themselves safe
  14. Intensive
    Intensive 18 February 2014 08: 30
    +3
    That is the question where is this program. That we have restored the production infrastructure at least at the level of the USSR? We stopped buying equipment abroad? Why not in the same cities to establish production. And in general, where is the state approach to solving problems. Where is the general plan?
    1. Fox
      Fox 18 February 2014 08: 39
      +2
      [quote = Intensifier] Where is the General Plan? [/ qu where is the state ?!
    2. Fox
      Fox 18 February 2014 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: Intensive
      Where is the general plan?

      where is the state ?!
    3. the polar
      the polar 18 February 2014 08: 48
      +5
      Quote: Intensive
      That is the question where is this program. That we have restored the production infrastructure at least at the level of the USSR? We stopped buying equipment abroad? Why not in the same cities to establish production. And in general, where is the state approach to solving problems. Where is the general plan?

      The "General Plan" is the Sovdep economy, which, as Putin said, ruined everything. Therefore, the people were freed from it. Now Russia is a free people in a free market. Don't like not being bought? So you look bad, your place is in a junkyard.
      1. berkut-91
        berkut-91 18 February 2014 14: 13
        0
        Quote: Polar
        Do not like that you did not buy? So you look bad, your place in the landfill.

        Yes, you are right ... "There are no others, but those are far away! ..." It is regrettable, but true!
  15. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 18 February 2014 08: 42
    +9
    The problem is that our "leadership" starts to move if it only sees a personal benefit, if it does not, then there is no movement.
  16. goody
    goody 18 February 2014 08: 52
    +6
    Another nonsense like Skolkovo or nano
  17. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 18 February 2014 08: 56
    +4
    Damn, how much can you humiliate people and bring noodles to your ears? How much can you bankrupt enterprises and buy them for a penny? Well, really these ghouls did not get drunk? Words end ...
  18. Intensive
    Intensive 18 February 2014 08: 57
    +1
    What then they mold us about patriotism. Apparently the sensors (by sensors I mean people signaling to the powerful about the mood among the people) signal that you need to flirt on this topic. Migrants took up this matter. And before that, they have not seen a point blank problem for 20 years.
  19. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 18 February 2014 09: 08
    +3
    here is the World Cup soon ... the people need to be entertained, to distract from unnecessary thoughts
  20. Prometey
    Prometey 18 February 2014 09: 23
    -8
    The problem of single-industry towns is actually quite acute and it has matured for a long time. And it will have to be solved radically. In Russia, there are now hundreds of towns and small towns vegetating in poverty and there are no prospects for their development. Who can, flee to regional centers or larger cities that can provide at least some work. In addition, all these towns are not only unprofitable, but also require funds to maintain infrastructure. One way out is seen in their resettlement in larger cities or in the countryside (at the request of people), where there are agricultural complexes.
    1. Lantau
      Lantau 18 February 2014 09: 32
      +6
      From your words it turns out to do nothing with them. All resettle and the problem is solved. Did I understand you correctly? And here's another question, why weren't monotowns unprofitable under communists? Maybe there were no effective managers, but there were business executives?
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 18 February 2014 10: 04
        -1
        Quote: Lantau
        From your words it turns out to do nothing with them. All resettle and the problem is solved.

        And what can be done with them? I am not talking absolutely about all the single industry towns. But there are examples and there are many of them. Here in our Chelyabinsk region, the issue of the village of Rosa, which was built near the Korkinsky coal mine, is being resolved. The cut itself has long been in the stage of clinical death and nothing will stop this process (the time of coal has long passed). In addition, there is a completely unfavorable environmental situation. And to maintain for the sake of all this the village and maintain the infrastructure does not make sense. Therefore, they made the only right decision - to liquidate the village and scatter people in nearby cities. Those who have already moved do not regret.
        Quote: Lantau
        And here's another question, why weren't monotowns unprofitable under communists?

        Are you sure of this that they were not unprofitable? Many city-forming enterprises already in the 80s worked "idle", releasing completely unclaimed products that were not sold anywhere. It turned out that the plant worked for the sake of work. Yes, it provided employment for the population, but did not bring income.
        There is a city of Asbestos in the Sverdlovsk region, where an asbestos quarry was the main enterprise. Asbestos as a building material was in great demand during the Soviet era in construction. And the city flourished. But the Soviet times ended and Asbestos began to drag out a miserable existence. And not because the new authorities turned out to be "effective" managers, but because new technologies in construction have replaced harmful asbestos, replacing it with more environmentally friendly building materials. Many people living in Asbestos wanted to be provided with housing in other cities (by the way, the city is leading in the growth of respiratory diseases). Also, over time, many mining towns fell into decay, when coal was replaced by natural gas and all mines were bent. By the way, in our Chelyabinsk region mines began to be closed already in Soviet times, as unpromising and unprofitable (this is partly the answer to your question).
        1. generalissimo
          generalissimo 18 February 2014 10: 38
          +6
          And here, asbestos is harmful, coal yesterday! There are people! Russian citizens! I give an example: Kitay- areas where nothing is mined and not enough grown. BUT! There are human resources not spoiled by high wages and production goes to these areas and people are busy and can feed families! In Moscow, the average earnings of about 50000 p. So in the same Asbest or Rose people will work for 25000 p. What is not an incentive for the owner (capitalist) to develop production in this area? Although where we have the masters and capitalists, it’s a nano-digital thief who only knows how to squander the country's natural resources, at the direction of their PIN curators @@@@! Yes, build yourself over the hill reserve airfields, in case you get a kick in the ass! For more mind is not enough! Slavs! Stop celebrating a funeral ceremony for a neighbor's cow! It’s time to restore order in the country, otherwise we’ll wait, a circumcised self-appointed God-chosen one is stuck, a stick with plywood in the center of Russia, and it will read: HERE, SLAVE TRIBES LIVED SOMETIMES!
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 18 February 2014 11: 05
            0
            Quote: generalissimo
            There are people! Russian citizens!

            And they must live in a garbage dump, for the sake of the existence of a settlement on the map? Have you tried to live and enjoy the air next to a large hole in which coal is constantly smoldering?
            1. generalissimo
              generalissimo 18 February 2014 17: 47
              +2
              Nice man! And the garbage dump that formed by itself? Without human involvement? The issue of land reclamation, Zas @@@@ nyh as a result of human economic activity and should be resolved at the government level! It will also give jobs, and then relocate. We live and treat our land like cavalrymen: "NASR @@@ LEE and galloped off!
        2. Lantau
          Lantau 18 February 2014 11: 07
          +8
          And what can be done with them?
          You know, I live in Nakhodka and for 23 years of democracy have not built a single new plant or factory. But several city-forming enterprises went bankrupt or were bankrupt. People went where and in batches leaving here. Now in the city only shopping centers and gas stations are opening. Tell me, is my city also unpromising and needs to be resettled too? But this is still a port and moreover a strategic one!
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 18 February 2014 11: 23
            -4
            Quote: Lantau
            You know, I live in Nakhodka and for 23 years of democracy have not built a single new plant or factory.

            Not only you have this. Yes, this is a shame on the current economic situation in Russia. I’m saying that it’s not about all the single-industry towns, but about towns with a population of 5-10 thousand inhabitants, remote from the main centers and transport routes. What is the point of building enterprises there (is there a guarantee that its products will be sold and in demand?)
      2. valerei
        valerei 18 February 2014 10: 30
        +3
        Quote: Lantau
        And here's another question, why weren't monotowns unprofitable under communists? Maybe there were no effective managers, but there were business executives?

        Under the communists, there was a different system - planned! And there was even such a phrase - the concept: "Planned unprofitable production". Yes, there was an abundance of work, but not all work was profitable, even the one that was intended for it. And what about resettlement - it's so hard to say what will come of it. But, judging by the state of our industry, then nothing good. After all, the same people will work on this problem! Most likely also mediocre and stealthy.
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      4. Prometey
        Prometey 18 February 2014 11: 15
        -4
        Quote: Lantau
        Maybe there were no effective managers, but there were business executives?

        By the way, why these Soviet business executives could not / did not want to solve the environmental problems of most single-industry towns, leaving them for future managers?
        What prevented the installation of purification filters at the Karabash smelter, to fill in the radioactive lake Karachay and to resettle residents from the radioactively infected village of Muslumovo? (I write about my region, whose problems I know). For some reason, the rich and unprofitable Soviet government found it impossible to solve such problems and solved them already in the 90-2000s.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 18 February 2014 11: 54
          -1
          What, minus signers, there is nothing to argue, there are no arguments? negative
          1. generalissimo
            generalissimo 18 February 2014 21: 07
            0
            Well, why there are no arguments, the main argument is that since 1917 the country has been ruled by the Shvonders! The exception is the period from 1924 to 1953, I.V. Stalin was the salvation of Russia! If it weren’t for him, Rubinovich would have done what they are doing now with the country much earlier! Chubais, Abramovichi, Berezovsky, Vekselberg, Mendel-Medvedev and other self-appointed God's chosen ones did not grow out of nowhere! Guardians for Russia Mother ihu so and so! With the full connivance of the Slavic population and indifference to their fate and the fate of their country! For this sin we are now paying ourselves!
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 18 February 2014 15: 49
          +3
          Ye? Duc, you yourself answered. If we didn’t, in 90, 2000 would have decided. Maybe technology still made no sense.
      5. berkut-91
        berkut-91 18 February 2014 13: 54
        +1
        Quote: Lantau
        And here's another question, why weren't monotowns unprofitable under communists? Maybe there were no effective managers, but there were business executives?

        You are wrong, there were planned unprofitable industrial and agricultural enterprises. In 1978, even a "debt amnesty" was announced when all debts were lifted to zero. And the eternal staff reductions by the end of the year and the opening of new staff units since January. Everything was just under the control of the planning and economic departments of ministries and departments.
    2. berkut-91
      berkut-91 18 February 2014 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: Prometey
      One way out is seen in their resettlement in larger cities or in the countryside (at the request of people), where there are agricultural complexes.

      Who is waiting for you there? Agricultural holdings have a powerful machine-tractor fleet with a set of standardized machines (mainly foreign manufacturers) and capable of combining several agricultural operations in one pass and processing up to 1000 hectares of soil per day ..., a helicopter fleet and aircraft for working in any weather conditions the introduction of solid and liquid fertilizers and combined growth stimulants. In addition, they are equipped with satellite tracking systems. What about the farmer? Old Soviet bone-walkers, short-lived in work, expensive to repair, low-productivity, mainly performing as a rule one operation with a small working width. Hope this is not worth it. This is an impossible wish.
      My conclusion: No resettlement, monitoring of the area and with the involvement of local specialists. A specific solution in the direction of each region’s activity consisting of the proposed activity of the settlement and the most severe demand for the implementation of the tasks.
      1. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 18 February 2014 20: 00
        0
        Quote: berkut-91
        solid and liquid fertilizers and combined growth stimulants

        but leave it to yourself, I don’t need your chemistry.
  21. trophy
    trophy 18 February 2014 09: 28
    +4
    In the last paragraph to the point. They are just asking for relocation. Moreover, without compensation, and in the region of Magadan.
  22. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 18 February 2014 09: 31
    +8
    The government is not concerned with the question of how to IMPROVE people's lives, but, on the contrary, how to make it unbearable. It is necessary to drive out the "reformers" from the government, together with the leader and his next "idea" to turn the people into gypsies, roaming the country.
    Here again, today it flashed in the news from Mendel's mouth that the state planned to sell a number of industries and enterprises that are practically strategic for the country, and "made me happy" that the treasury will be replenished (of course, once) by several billion, and then the income from these industries will settle in several pockets, he "modestly" is silent about this.
    1. berkut-91
      berkut-91 18 February 2014 14: 09
      +2
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Here again, today it flashed in the news from Mendel's mouth that the state planned to sell a number of industries and enterprises that are practically strategic for the country, and "made me happy" that the treasury will be replenished (of course, once) by several billion, and then the income from these industries will settle in several pockets, he "modestly" is silent about this.

      In my opinion, such a decision of one-time profit will only throw us away 20 years ago at least. State control will remain only in shares that can be artificially depreciated with the subsequent change of ownership. Take at least Potanin’s example, withdrawal from circulation and donating more than a billion to charity rubles, which of course is laudable but ... fraught with neither money nor a good deed. This cannot be allowed. Capital has not yet matured for such an action. There are no legal or moral tools to stabilize the country's economy.
  23. generalissimo
    generalissimo 18 February 2014 09: 39
    +8
    What part of Russia in the government is considered unpromising? The question is somehow crooked. How can several hundreds of the poor, humanoid, scattered by hook or by crook in Kremlin and ministerial offices decide to live in any part of Russia or not to live? If you look from the point of view of government shift workers, then the whole solution comes down to the following: you can fuck, from this mono city, dollars, pounds, Eureka, to buy another castle in England, or a villa in Florida, or a ranch in Texas, a chalet in Switzerland, a penthouse in NYC! If everything has already been stolen before them, therefore, according to their thieves' logic, there are no prospects! And they don’t give a damn that the elderly still live, who devoted all their efforts to building and accumulating what these nano-digital effective managers shamelessly plundered! Spit on young full-bodied people who are not able to feed their families honest work! But is the government not that unpromising part of Russia? Although the government of the red dwarf can be called part of Russia, only an incorrigible optimist can!
  24. makarov
    makarov 18 February 2014 09: 39
    +6
    “If your city is unpromising, then we will come to you!”
    WHAT WOULD BURD TO THE END !!!!
  25. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 18 February 2014 10: 08
    +8
    Just imagine, this state speaks to itself of its insolvency! Diagnosis on the face! We are waiting for the surgeon, amputation of incompetent heads is necessary! Lenin was! Stalin was! Who is next???
  26. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 18 February 2014 10: 08
    +9
    The Ministry of Economic Development speaks of the "unpromising" of one or other single-industry towns with a proposal for their resettlement. Does the same Ministry of Economic Development, for example, recall a “unpromising" village? After the privatization orgy and optimization of creativity, thousands of villages in different regions of the country also lost their economic “prospects” ... Does this mean that villages that do not meet market principles also don’t wait for state support, but to get ready for a move ... the fact that in the government Russia itself would be called unpromising - it would be bought out and relocated “with compensation” ...


    At the moment, the entire periphery is "unpromising". Walk through the regional cities in the center of Russia, the picture is depressing and no improvement is expected, I generally keep quiet about the village. Given this situation, the question arises: "Where are they going to resettle?" Where in Russia are the promising "sparsely populated areas? And in the same article the answer to the expediency of our (or all the same, THEM) Olympiad.
  27. muhomor
    muhomor 18 February 2014 10: 14
    +5
    So, the working class of Russia has a wonderful prospect of becoming a class of guest workers. A relatively new wave of privatization! I almost doubt that the fattest chunks will go to the same modest people living in London and France. Chubais (watching) has already promised that after the privatization of power plants, electricity will become cheaper. Well, and how?
    The government relieves itself of responsibility both for social programs and for economic development. They believe that the market will spontaneously settle everything!
    Bliiiin! Zyuganov Genu thieves to replace !!
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 18 February 2014 10: 48
      0
      Bliiiin! Zyuganov Genu thieves to replace !!

      You propose to change the thieves to party apparatchiks, and then, on the knurled one, to the new 1953-1991? I have nothing against communism (socialism), "behind" both arms and legs!
      But it is possible without Zyuganov and Co., and without them it is sickening ...
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 18 February 2014 11: 58
        +2
        Personally, I, in Zyuganov, DO NOT SEE THE LEADER!
  28. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 18 February 2014 10: 14
    +4
    The "General Plan" is the Sovdep economy, which, as Putin said, ruined everything

    And Putin himself built at least something that would create jobs for Russian citizens and produce what we buy over the hill ???
  29. Avenich
    Avenich 18 February 2014 10: 36
    +3
    Somehow strange ... The whole history of Russia is the development of territories, starting perhaps from the moment when the Varangians from the shores of the Baltic Sea moving east created the principalities, which we call the Vladimir-Suzdal. Catherine II the Great also invested quite a lot in rediscovering land and developing territories (although she seemed to be German). The Greeks, who are already Europeans, drive their ferries around the islands (damn economically unprofitable), the current ma abandon at least one island, and the Turks are right there. Well, we ... Drive away the rest of the residents on a reservation by the name of the city, seat them according to the clerks and give the opportunity to get a car on credit ... Conquistadors nervously smoke aside.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 18 February 2014 11: 11
      +8
      Quote: Avenich
      The Greeks, far too Europeans, drive their ferries around the islands (damn economically unprofitable)


      Voooot!
      Quote: Avenich
      current ma abandon at least one island, oops and the Turks are right there. Well, we ...


      And we ... Our (ours, is it?) Russian Railways RF - abolishes "economically unprofitable" electric transportations (electric train directions) on Kh.R.
      True wink , before that passed all subsidization of these transportations to regionals / municipalities. And where did they get such money to pay for Russian Railways losses? That's all, no money - no trains. But Russian Railways - nothing to do with it!
      Ask how people in villages (!), Villages (!), To "province" (!) To get? The authorities have an answer - alternatively (those. hz as!)

      Nothing like that?
      1. Normal
        Normal 18 February 2014 16: 30
        +2
        Quote: Avenich
        The whole history of Russia is the development of territories,

        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Russian Railways - on ch.r cancels "economically unprofitable" electric transportation (directions of electric trains).


        I remember somewhere in the sixth or seventh year (before the crisis), Deputy Prime Minister Zhukov was asked the question why the state does not invest (and they already did) in the construction of roads.
        The answer was amazing; "The government believes that the state should not spend state funds on road construction (!!!). The government believes that private capital should build roads."
        These are our "statists" in power.
        But Zhukov is still well arranged.
        But the state by and large does not have a function more important than the unification, the interconnection of its territories (and this is the ROAD) and the defense of the territory (and this is the ROAD).
        So who do we strive for the collapse of the state?
  30. tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 February 2014 10: 40
    +5
    The biochemistry of betrayal continues. Maybe all these delusional "plans" of liberals in power should be looked at by the relevant authorities or we are a colony.
  31. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 18 February 2014 10: 46
    +2
    This is all the nonsense of Medvedev Dmitry Anatolyevich !!!
  32. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 18 February 2014 10: 50
    +6
    The desire to get rid of the "ballast" in the form of millions of Russians who "created" both the business owners and the government "problems" ...

    They got rid and are getting rid, why do we need villages, why do we have one-industry towns, we have everything for us and our great-grandchildren over the hill, it's a shame, Comrades .. From what we left in 1862, we are moving confidently
  33. tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 February 2014 11: 11
    +3
    Or maybe they all in the government, headed by DAM, are unpromising.
  34. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 18 February 2014 11: 25
    +3
    In Russia had time there is such a situation that dozens of single-industry towns are by and large on the verge of an economic abyss

    Interestingly, and who INTENTIONALLY destroyed the enterprises that lived these cities, the government is not to blame for this? Who will be responsible for the collapse of the country's industry? And will we wait? And now they want to go even "further" - to destroy the cities themselves! All the time I want to shout to Putin: - "Putin, Putin, well, look what is happening around! After all, people still trust you!"
  35. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 18 February 2014 11: 34
    +10
    We are now surprised that the government considers "monotowns" unnecessary or suddenly begins to consider one or another industry "unnecessary". But there is nothing surprising here. Look, the whole policy of the last decades in the economic sphere has been turned in one direction: providing for the "West". All our TPA managers absolutely did not want and do not want to work, they are waiting for the type of "investors" who will come, do everything and just unfasten a small bribe for their activities. Everything that has been built or continues to function in our country is aimed at ensuring the work of the Western economy - raw materials enterprises, screwdriver production, production of components, etc. That is, our entire country provides the Western inhabitant with energy resources, work (for our screwdriver production), takes out their garbage, entertainment, Olympics, championships, etc. For our own people, nothing is done in our country. Even the army should not be considered as a kind of body for the protection of the people, the fatherland - it is being created now just to protect the "pipe". Therefore, our entire government considers the population of our country only as an annoying hindrance to the nouveau riche and their own relatives, like a kind of substance that must be fed, paid a pension, and provided social services. guarantees, etc. After all, it is much cheaper and easier to destroy the entire local population and bring into the country millions of powerless slaves who do not need high salaries, no pensions, no education, no social services. guarantees and services. Of course, in words, everything looks different, but in reality it happens and notice it happens by itself, as it were, in a natural way - squeezing out the local labor resource and replacing it with imported, cheaper for the capitalist - everything, as Karl Marx and Engels wrote, does not need capitalism extra mouths for him nothing but profit exists. The capitalist, the "good owner" of whom some narrow-minded visitors of this forum are so "crying" is a predator, and cruel and merciless, he will not give anyone his "earned" penny, and if society does not fight against its predatory nature, then it is doomed to stagnation and gradual creeping into a new round of slavery, but economic.
  36. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 18 February 2014 11: 41
    +4
    A distrust of the government can express only the State Duma? And from the PEOPLE initiative cannot come?
  37. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 18 February 2014 11: 43
    +3
    Quote: predator.3
    Quote: Lantau
    I'd like to ask a question to those in power, and where are you? The fact that the new owners of the enterprises are not going to invest money in anything is as clear as day. And in this connection I would like to ask, where is the role of the state as a regulator of processes? Or is it more convenient for the state, not to flattery anything, not to pay attention to anything? Why is that?

    And those in power are preparing for the next "privatization", yesterday in the news, during a government meeting, Dimon announced a list of companies in which the sale of controlling stakes is planned for the next three years, these are Gazprom, Rosneft, etc.

    He’ll get into where he’ll fall apart. And stubborn as ... I can’t pick up a suitable animal. Or maybe he’s a spy?
  38. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 18 February 2014 11: 58
    +2
    Or maybe it’s easier to overpower Dimon with the government (not all, there are sensible specialists there) far away and without an iPhone, let the Country Development Program work there.
  39. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 18 February 2014 12: 05
    +3
    When already HSE-Medvedevtsev and dace-Chubaisoid wanted? According to the verdict, move into a cell and concrete.
  40. Farvil
    Farvil 18 February 2014 12: 19
    +4
    The next plan for the final destruction of the country.
  41. Bosk
    Bosk 18 February 2014 12: 45
    +4
    I was here the other night looking on Google for the night walked through the "Abandoned Places of the Planet" - "horror films" for half a night and then in a dream "movies", it turns out this is not only a problem of Russia.
  42. Black
    Black 18 February 2014 12: 50
    +7
    Why is there a "monotown" !!!
    Volgograd (it's just closer, many shared the same fate) was not at all "mono", it was "poly", even "mega".
    Tractor (the famous tractor !!!) rested, Khimprom died, Red October (metallurgy), Barricades (and this is mostly a defense industry!), Aluminka was killed (the stoves were extinguished) ....

    Volgograd is not even "mono", it is now "zero" !!!!
  43. disa
    disa 18 February 2014 12: 52
    +2
    This is all from the category, let’s change the people ... but ordinary everyday logic suggests that it is easier to change zero point ten percent of this very promising population than expose the genuinely genocide to a truly large part of the country's population recognized as somehow unpromising. With the oligarchic bastard. Chocked people into poverty for the sake of their own enrichment, one should ask, What did you do for the people? and if nothing ... then you don’t have anything here .. kick in the ass ... and it’s still only a kick, but it is implementing its own program of the Ministry of Economic Development, for cleansing the sins of the upper strata of society that they serve, generally to the wall .. before them doesn’t realize that people are also capital, it is necessary to protect it, cares and grow until it has deprived you of your main capital here on earth - life.
  44. 120352
    120352 18 February 2014 13: 07
    +5
    With the current organization of the economy and the political system, there are no promising territories in Russia. Inflation over the past year, 32,7%, is proof of that. In general, we need to talk about the futility of the existing management system, built on the personal material benefit of officials (kickbacks, reaching 80% in some places).
    1. disa
      disa 18 February 2014 22: 54
      +1
      90% is already .... And the GDP is scratching all the turnips ... why else would please the unfortunate.
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  46. Gray 43
    Gray 43 18 February 2014 13: 22
    +2
    Separate dying villages can be resettled, but to resettle the city ?! With such leaders and their projects, Russia will cower to several regions in the middle lane, the earlier rulers, on the contrary, have developed and settled territories, now they offer us the opposite option — shame !!!!!
  47. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 18 February 2014 13: 31
    +1
    will be resettlement by decision of the government of the Russian Federation.


    something like this has already happened with "unpromising villages, what has already happened with" unpromising villages "!?
  48. rennim
    rennim 18 February 2014 13: 34
    +2
    It seems that in the Government of the Russian Federation for any ideas ... even the delusional pay excellent AWARDS ... Here are bureaucrats and try.
  49. parus2nik
    parus2nik 18 February 2014 13: 45
    +4
    Yeah, there is money for resettlement, but no money for development .. Moreover, such information has passed, I don’t know how accurate, but nevertheless, it turns out most of the unpromising cities are in the Far East and Siberia .. Personally, I trust .. such information ..in our town, there are already many immigrants from Siberia, the Far East ..Mikhailo Lomonosov said that Russia's wealth will grow in Siberia ..
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 18 February 2014 22: 44
      0
      For some, they liberate Siberia from the Russians, so what?
  50. Neophyte
    Neophyte 18 February 2014 13: 59
    +4
    Preparations are underway to liberate Siberia and D. Vostok from the Russian lands, with their subsequent lease to the Chinese!
    I would like to know who the authors of the project are?
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 18 February 2014 16: 34
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      Preparations are underway to liberate Siberia and D. Vostok from the Russian lands, with their subsequent lease to the Chinese!
      I would like to know who the authors of the project are?

      Seeker let him find it.
      If it’s really interesting, delve into the vastness of information on the Internet and find out.
      Only when you find out, do not be very surprised.