Pavlov's House without Legends and Myths

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Pavlov's House without Legends and Myths


It just so happened that over the course of the year, a private (by the standards of the war) defense object and its defenders became the object of attention of two creative teams at once. Director Sergei Ursulyak directed the wonderful multi-part television movie Life and Fate based on the novel by Vasily Grossman of the same name. Its premiere took place in October 2012. And in February of the current television movie show on the channel "Culture". As for Fyodor Bondarchuk, the blockbuster “Stalingrad” that was released last fall, this is a completely different creation, with a different concept and approach. About his artistic merits and fidelity historical the truth (or rather, the lack thereof) is hardly worth spreading. This has been spoken about abundantly, including in the very sensible publication “Stalingrad without Stalingrad” (NVO No. 37, 11.10.13/XNUMX/XNUMX).

And in Grossman’s novel, and in his television version, and in Bondarchuk’s film, events that took place in one of the strongholds of the city’s defense are shown - albeit in different volumes, albeit not directly. But one thing is literature and cinema, and another is life. Or rather - the story.

FORTRESS TO THE ENEMY DON'T GIVE

In September, 42-th on the streets and squares of the central and northern parts of Stalingrad, fierce fighting broke out. “Fighting in the city is a special fight. Here it is not strength that decides the question, but skill, skill, resourcefulness and suddenness. Urban buildings, like breakwaters, cut the battle formations of the advancing enemy and directed its forces along the streets. Therefore, we firmly held on to very strong buildings, created in them a few garrisons, capable in the case of the environment to conduct a circular defense. Particularly strong buildings helped us to create strong points, of which the defenders of the city mowed down the advancing fascists with machine-guns and machine guns, ”commented General Vasily Chuikov, commander of the legendary 62 army.

The battle of Stalingrad, unprecedented in world history in scale and bitterness, which became a turning point in the course of the entire Second World War, 2 of February 1943 of the year was victoriously ended. But street fighting went on in Stalingrad until the end of the battle on the banks of the Volga.

One of the strongholds, about the importance of which spoke commander-62, became the legendary House of Pavlov. Its end wall faced the square named after 9 in January (later Lenin Square). The 42-th regiment of the 13-th Guards Rifle Division, which joined the 62-th army in September 1942 (division commander General Alexander Rodimtsev), acted on this line. The house occupied an important place in the defense system of Rodimtsev's guards on the approaches to the Volga. It was a four-story brick building. However, he had a very important tactical advantage: the whole surrounding area was controlled from there. It was possible to observe and bombard the part of the city occupied by that time by the enemy: to the west to 1 km, and to the north and south - and even more. But the main thing is that the ways of a possible German breakthrough to the Volga were viewed from here: it was within reach of her. Intense fighting here lasted more than two months.

The tactical value of the house was rightly appreciated by the commander of the 42 Guards Rifle Regiment Colonel Ivan Yelin. He ordered the commander of the 3 Infantry Battalion, Captain Alexei Zhukov, to seize the house and turn it into a strong point. 20 September 1942 fighters of the squadron made their way there led by Sergeant Yakov Pavlov. And on the third day, reinforcements arrived: machine-gun platoon of Lieutenant Ivan Afanasyev (seven people with one heavy machine gun), a group of senior sergeant Andrei Sobgaydy’s armored rifles (six people with three anti-tank guns), four mortar gunners with two mortars commanded by Lieutenant Alexei Chernyshsenko and commanded by Lieutenant Alexei Chernyshshenko and four mortar gunners with two mortars under the command of Lieutenant Alexei Chernyshenko, and under the command of lieutenant Alexei Chernyshenko. Commander of this group was appointed lieutenant Ivan Afanasyev.

The Nazis almost all the time were carrying out massive artillery and mortar shelling at the house, attacked it from the air, continuously attacked. But the garrison of the "fortress" - this was how Pavlov's house was marked on the staff map of the commander of 6 of the German army of Paulus - skillfully prepared him for a circular defense. The fighters fired from different places through the embrasures, pierced in the windows with brick and holes in the walls. When the enemy tried to get closer to the building, he was met by dense machine-gun fire from all firing points. The garrison steadfastly repelled enemy attacks and inflicted heavy losses on the Nazis. And most importantly - in the operational-tactical plan, the defenders of the house did not allow the enemy to break through to the Volga in this sector.

At the same time, lieutenants Afanasyev, Chernyshenko and sergeant Pavlov established fire interaction with the strongholds in the neighboring buildings - in the house that was defended by lieutenant Nikolai Zabolotny, and in the mill building where the command post of the 42 rifle regiment was located. The interaction was facilitated by the fact that an observation post was equipped on the third floor of Pavlov's house, which the Nazis were not able to suppress. “A small group, defending one house, destroyed the enemy soldiers more than the Nazis lost when they took Paris,” said Vasily Chuikov, 62 commander.

INTERNATIONAL ORDER OF DEFENDERS

Pavlov’s house was defended by fighters of different nationalities — the Russians Pavlov, Aleksandrov and Afanasyev, the Ukrainians Sobgayd and Glushchenko, the Georgians Mosiashvili and Stepanoshvili, the Uzbek Turgans, the Kazakh Murzaev, the Abkhaz Sukhba, the Tajik Turdyev, the Tatar Romazanov. According to official figures - 24 fighter. But really - to 30. Someone was eliminated by injury, someone died, but they received a replacement. Anyway, Sergeant Pavlov (he was born on October 25 in Valdai, in the Novgorod region) met his 17 anniversary in the “his” home with his military friends. True, nothing has been written about this anywhere, and Yakov Fedotovich and his battle friends preferred to keep silent about this.

As a result of continuous shelling, the building was seriously damaged. One end wall was almost completely destroyed. In order to avoid losses from blockages, part of the firing equipment was ordered outside the building by order of the regiment commander. But the defenders of the House of Sergeant Pavlov, the House of Lieutenant Zabolotny and the mills, turned into strong points, continued to stand firmly in defense, despite the fierce attacks of the enemy.

It is impossible not to ask: how did sergeant Pavlov's fellow soldiers not only manage to survive in a fiery hell, but also to defend themselves effectively? First, not only Lieutenant Afanasyev, but also Sergeant Pavlov were experienced fighters. In the Red Army, Yakov Pavlov is from 1938, and this is a solid period. Before Stalingrad, he was the commander of the machine-gun department, the gunner of the gun. So experience it does not hold. Secondly, the reserve positions equipped by them were very helpful to the fighters. In front of the house was a cemented fuel depot, an underground passage was dug to it. And in 30 meters from the house there was a hatch of a water tunnel, to which an underground passage was also made. On it to the defenders of the house received ammunition and meager stocks of food.

During shelling, everything except the observers and military escort went down to the shelters. Including the civilians who were in the basements, who for various reasons could not immediately evacuate. The shelling stopped, and the entire small garrison was again at its positions in the house, firing again at the enemy.

The days and nights of 58 defended the garrison at home. The fighters left his 24 on November, when the regiment, along with other units, launched a counter-offensive. All were awarded government awards. And Sergeant Pavlov was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. However, after the war - by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR from 27 June 1945 of the year - after he had joined the party by that time.

For historical sake, we note that most of the time, Lieutenant Afanasyev led the defense of the outpost home. But he was not awarded the title Hero. In addition, Ivan Filippovich was a man of exceptional modesty and never overemphasized his merits. And "above" they decided to submit to the high rank of junior commander, who, together with his fighters, broke through to the house first and occupied the defense there. Already after the fighting, someone made the appropriate inscription on the wall of the building. She saw the warlords, war correspondents. Under the name “Pavlov's House”, the object was originally listed in combat reports. Anyway, the building on January 9 Square went down in history as Pavlov’s House. Yakov Fedotovich himself, despite the injury, and after Stalingrad he fought with dignity - already as an artilleryman. The war ended on the Oder in shoulder straps. Later he was given an officer rank.

ON THE WAKE OF THE STALINGRAD DEFENSE PARTICIPANTS

Now there are about 8 thousand participants of the Great Patriotic War left in the hero-city, of which 1200 are direct participants of the Battle of Stalingrad, as well as 3420 combat veterans. Jacob Pavlov could rightfully be on this list - he could have stayed in the restored city that he defended. He was very sociable in nature, met many times with residents who survived the war and restored it from the ruins. Yakov Fedotovich lived by the concerns and interests of the city on the Volga, and participated in patriotic education events.

The legendary Pavlov House in the city became the first restored building. And the first was telephonized. And some of the apartments there were received by those who came to rebuild Stalingrad from all over the country. Not only Yakov Pavlov, but also other surviving defenders of the house, which went down in history under his name, were always among the townspeople the most expensive guests. In 1980, Yakov Fedotovich was awarded the title "Honorary Citizen of the Hero-City of Volgograd." But...

After demobilization in August 1946, he returned to his native Novgorodchin. He was at work in the party organs in the city of Valdai. Received a higher education. Three times elected deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR from the Novgorod region. Peaceful awards were added to his military decorations: the Order of Lenin, the Order of the October Revolution, and medals.

Yakov Fedotovich Pavlov died in 1981 year - the consequences of front-line injuries affected. But it just so happened that there were many legends and myths around the “House of Sergeant Pavlov” that went down in history and himself. Sometimes their echoes can be heard now. So, for many years, rumor said that Yakov Pavlov did not die at all, but took monastic tonsure and became Archimandrite Cyril. But at the same time, they say, he asked me to convey that he is not alive.

Is it so? The situation was found out by the staff of the Volgograd State Museum-Panorama of the Battle of Stalingrad. And what? Father Cyril in the world really was ... Pavlov. And really participated in the battle of Stalingrad. That's just the name of the problem out - Ivan. And Jacob and Ivan Pavlov during the battle on the Volga were sergeants, both finished the war as junior lieutenants. In the initial period of the war, Ivan Pavlov served in the Far East, and in October 1941, as part of his unit, arrived on the Volkhov front. And then - Stalingrad. In the year 1942 was wounded twice. But survived. When the battles in Stalingrad subsided, Ivan accidentally found the Gospel burned by fire among the rubble. He considered this to be a sign from above, and Ivan’s heartburned by the war prompted him: leave the volume with you!

In the ranks of the tank corps Ivan Pavlov fought with Romania, Hungary and Austria. And everywhere with him in the knapsack was a burnt Stalingrad church book. Demobilized in 1946 year, he went to Moscow. In Yelokhovsky Cathedral I asked: how to become a priest? And as he was, in military uniform, he went to enroll in a theological seminary. It is said that many years later, Archimandrite Cyril was summoned to the military registration and enlistment office of the Moscow city of Sergiyev Posad and asked what to report "upstairs" about Sergeant Pavlov, the defender of Stalingrad. Cyril asked to say that he is not alive.

But this is not the end of our story. During the search, the staff of the museum-panorama (it is located just opposite Pavlov’s House, across Sovetskaya Street, and I have been a student many times since I studied at a nearby university) managed to establish the following. Among the participants in the Battle of Stalingrad were the three Pavlovs, who became Heroes of the Soviet Union. In addition to Yakov Fedotovich, this is tanker captain Sergey Mikhailovich Pavlov and a guard infantryman, senior sergeant Dmitry Ivanovich Pavlov. On the Pavlovs and Afanasyevs, as well as on the Ivanovs, Petrovs Russia holds.
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  1. zavesa01
    +27
    15 February 2014 07: 07
    Eternal memory to the heroes.
    1. +51
      15 February 2014 08: 07
      Stalingrad - I have been calling him that for a long time. I'm not campaigning for anyone, just my personal opinion (put this "IMHO" in ... !!!)
      1. +11
        15 February 2014 08: 20
        I support! Already infuriates from new-fangled words ..
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    2. +18
      15 February 2014 10: 49
      Angels of Stalingrad.
      1. +2
        15 February 2014 17: 49
        Strong!!!!! hi hi
      2. +8
        15 February 2014 22: 31
        Immediately threw my wife on a flash drive. He and his grandson are preparing a lesson dedicated to the memory of those who fought in the Great Patriotic War. Very much, her eyes immediately became wet. In addition, she is still searching
        relatives of victims of the Second World War, collects documents and oral recollections of veterans, their relatives for a memory book .. People give read and copy the most valuable that they have left - letters, old photos - MEMORY !!! You look at these faces in old photos, everything seems to be simple, but there is a lump in your throat .. Carefully open old letters, clumsy hands seem scary, sometimes so dilapidated, what the hell out of paper, God forbid something .. And it’s hard to read how , it’s kind of age too, it’s rough, and tears stifle ...
        ETERNAL GLORY !!!
        EVERLASTING MEMORY !!!
        Not returning and past
    3. +8
      16 February 2014 13: 11
      It is true Brest Fortress, but I was very moved.
      Everlasting memory!
  2. +22
    15 February 2014 07: 44
    Last year I was in Stalingrad. The first thing I went to the Pavlov's House, since I know him from my youth. Many of my friends mistook Pavlov’s House, the ruins of a mill. Even standing next to this house is a great honor. For me personally, this is the Greatest city of Russia, in no case without belittling the significance of other cities and battles. Just a state of mind. And in general, return to the city its heroic name !!!!!
    ... not for me on the map of Volgograd ...
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 17: 50
      It’s a strange thing, we live in our country, we have a great history, but we can’t return the real, deserved name to the city! How democratic foreigners (world community) do not understand !!!! Yes, I wrote to them from the height of the Eiffel Tower!
  3. Admiral 013
    +7
    15 February 2014 09: 19
    Russia will hold on and hold on! Glory and eternal memory to the heroes of the Battle of Stalingrad!
  4. +19
    15 February 2014 09: 41
    Fortress-Brest accepted! And you know, boys, he defended, A ... Stalingrad- deployed!
  5. ed65b
    +17
    15 February 2014 09: 45
    great glory to the great people who inhabited the USSR. Kazakhstani colleagues congratulate you with a bronze medal in figure skating. He was rooting for your, our skater.
  6. +10
    15 February 2014 10: 26
    For me, Stalingrad is the city of my childhood ... Stalingrad is the city in which my grandfather fought. Stalingrad is a city of pride .... The echo of those events is still booming

    It seems to me early to make films, legends about events such as the defense of Stalingrad, Brest .... Not everything is measured in rubles. So soon someone starts a musical.
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  8. Asan Ata
    +17
    15 February 2014 11: 23
    Thank you, Edward, for congratulations! I hope not the last. But in general, I always count the medals of all the former USSR, so much more fun.
    Pavlov’s House - Brest Fortress - Dubosekovo - for me, these are eternal examples of the heroism of Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War. A lot of years have passed, it is inconceivable for foreigners that we still remember this and bow to it, but maybe these are the cornerstones that do not allow our spirit to collapse. hi
    1. ed65b
      +5
      15 February 2014 12: 45
      Quote: Asan Ata
      these are the cornerstones that keep our spirit from collapsing

      I hope for this Asan Ata. May our little battles in the fields of our Frum allow us to better understand each other and get closer drinks
  9. +3
    15 February 2014 15: 22
    As long as we remember, we are one, we must keep the memory of all our common victories and achievements, give a tough rebuff to all provocateurs trying to rewrite history and whitewash our common enemies and their accomplices
  10. -7
    15 February 2014 16: 04
    And why does this house still bear the name "Pavlov's house"? After all, almost everyone already knows that this sergeant became famous not for his military exploits, but for his "nimbleness". For some reason, the name of the REAL commander who provided protection for this house is not even mentioned in this article ... but it's a pity ... This is how myths and "heroes" are born and maintained for centuries ...
    1. +2
      15 February 2014 16: 49
      Quote: I think so
      This is how myths and "heroes" are born and maintained for centuries ...

      What are you talking about? What kind of heroes are in quotes? You have a different topic.
      HEROES are mentioned here without any quotes and subtexts.
    2. +5
      15 February 2014 17: 15
      WOULD LOOK AT YOU - HOW WOULD YOU JOKE THERE !!!
  11. +1
    15 February 2014 16: 30
    PR in good conscience ...
    Or the House of Soldier Glory.

    The author of the article did not particularly strain in the "search for the truth." A couple of copy-paste, plus an attempt to play on the patriotism of readers.
    The theme of World War II was and will be good soil for lovers of comforting their own ambitions ...
    I do not particularly agree to refer to the rubric Searchers. The legendary redoubt.
  12. -4
    15 February 2014 16: 57
    By the way, the author mentioned "Life and Fate" by Sergey Ursulyak. Very good series, I recommend everyone to watch.
    1. +7
      15 February 2014 23: 15
      What's good about this show? Actors - yes, actors have Grimm - yes, costume designer - yes ..... plot - no, why was it necessary to invent some kind of "house manager - Makhnots" when there was a real Yakov Pavlov !? Stupid regiment and battalion commanders! Colonels in command of the corps! Physicists - nuclear scientists as hidden enemies of the people! Crap on crap and crap drives! By the way, I didn't finish watching the film ... I couldn't! soldier
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      2. +3
        16 February 2014 18: 59
        Actually, the latest films about the war with a liberoid overtones. It is imperative that under the guise of "truth" add a couple of drops of the poison of doubt, a little porn, a little obscenity. Nothing is sacred. At least this would require censorship.
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  13. +8
    15 February 2014 17: 30
    Yakov Fedotovich lies in the Western cemetery of Veliky Novgorod - his first grave was on the Heroes Alley (although in the 90s a lot of dirt accumulated on this alley, but this dirt is far from him), I go to the mother’s grave and the first thing I see is his stele on the hero’s grave.
  14. driver
    +5
    15 February 2014 18: 08
    Thank you for the info about great people. All Pavlovs are worthy of fame.
  15. +2
    15 February 2014 19: 55
    There would be more people like that now, and life would probably be better. And, I think, there is no need to compare Ursulyak's series with Bondarchuk's film - these are completely different things. Although I believe that no matter what the film was made for entertainment, and not to accurately convey historical events, there should be no place for historical "cranberries" in it.
  16. +2
    15 February 2014 23: 53
    The heroic page of our history is the battle for Stalingrad. One hundred forty days Rodimtsev's guardsmen stood to death in their positions, grinding the enemy. He has such a book "Guardsmen stood to death" about these glorious days, you will not regret it if you read it. A stroke to the personality of the twice Hero of the Soviet Union Union of Colonel General Rodimtsev: five years earlier, in distant Spain, among the republicans who fought against Franco's Phalangists and Italian-German fascists, there were legends about the fearless captain "Ruso Komarados Pavlito", a volunteer of the Spanish Republican Army.
  17. +2
    16 February 2014 00: 15
    Quote: I think so
    . For some reason, the name of the REAL commander who provided protection for this house is not even mentioned in this article ... it's a pity ..

    <<< For the sake of historical truth, we note that most of the time the defense of the outpost house was led by Lieutenant Afanasyev. But he was not awarded the title of Hero. >>>

    The platoon that arrived at the house was commanded by Guard Lieutenant Ivan Afanasyev. He was instructed to lead the defense. It was hard to imagine that in a combat situation the sergeant commanded the lieutenant, especially since the defenders had contact with the command.
    Researchers of the Battle of Stalingrad, who call this house instead of Pavlov's House, the House of Soldiers' Glory, note that a photograph taken in 1943 and included in several guidebooks captures a fragment of a wall on which someone inscribed: “Here the guards fought heroically with the enemy Ilya Voronov, Pavel Demchenko, Alexey Anikin, Pavel Dovzhenko. " And below - much larger: “This house was defended by the Guards. sergeant Yakov Fedorovich Pavlov ". And - a huge exclamation mark ... Maybe this last "conspicuous" inscription with an exclamation mark "had an effect" on the Soviet correspondent, who involuntarily began to "promote" this name. In addition, the mass awarding of the title of Hero was not practiced at that time!
    But this does not mean at all that Pavlov did not show courage. He fought along with everyone, and even a little better, if only because, unlike some fighters, he was an experienced warrior who had three years of service before the war and one year of participation in hostilities. time, intervening in the real feat of our soldiers! By the way, while Afanasyev was alive, the defenders of the house periodically gathered at his place. Pavlov never came to these meetings.
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 01: 44
      Quote: Goldmitro
      By the way, while Afanasyev was alive, the defenders of the house periodically gathered at his place. Pavlov never came to these meetings.

      This fact somehow does not fit into the outline of the article, which, by and large, does not report anything new - those who are interested in the history of the Great Patriotic War know the course of the Battle of Stalingrad is clearly no worse. But the author played on not very flattering reviews about the creation of F. Bondarchuk, contrasting a good series of Ursulyak, shot on the unimportant book of Grossman.
      What do we have in the bottom line? Agitation in the "dry-official" style of Agitprop, served under the sauce of the disapproval of modern Russian cinema in the form of "Stalingrad". The trick was a success. Under the clever movements of the author's hands, the people amicably and enthusiastically showed their patriotism, not bothering to understand the material. However, this happens regularly ...
      1. +5
        16 February 2014 01: 55
        PR and propaganda are for the liberal bastards and their hangers-on.
        A feat, no matter how he calls it - IS IMMORTAL !!!! The rest is husk of pseudo-history.
        1. +1
          16 February 2014 02: 16
          Quote: I am
          PR and propaganda are for the liberal bastards and their hangers-on.

          You, devushka - an ideal client for zombies laughing
          Quote: I am
          A feat, no matter how he calls it - IS IMMORTAL !!!!

          And an inattentive reader, both of the articles and the commentary on them. fellow
          Quote: I am
          The rest is husk of pseudo-history.

          Studying headlines is a sign of pseudo-patriotism in online performance. Affects Internet dating wassat
          1. +3
            16 February 2014 23: 14
            I studied "The History of the Fatherland" in the post-Soviet school, although it was not fashionable then. BUT !!! Not only from textbooks. There are also such social and cultural organizations - LIBRARIES !!!! Go there, be so kind, enlighten ...
            1. +1
              16 February 2014 23: 37
              Quote: I am
              I studied "History of the Fatherland" in the post-Soviet school

              And how many chapters were devoted to the Great Patriotic War?
              In the history of Russia for the 11th class, devoted to the period from 1945 to the present day, I had to decipher every phrase of every chapter of his daughter, the material is so "compressed".
              Quote: I am
              LIBRARIES !!!! Go there

              Is it that all teachers of higher education are inherent in such immodesty, which allows them to "send" for knowledge?
              To you personally and to other "blind" Internet patriots:
              - None of my posts I Doubt the feat of the SOVIET PEOPLE committed in the Great Patriotic War, and expressed my distrust of the author of the compiled article, which did not bother to DISCLOSE THE TOPIC FULLY.
              - "Half truth is worse than a lie!"and you fell for this half-truth as the last fuckers !;
              - all the claims brought against me have no reason.
              Why are you, "false patriots", being thrown like drunks from wall to wall, from one extreme to another?
              Why do people like you have only two colors - white and black?
              Where did this narrowness of thought come from and READY TO TEACH THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY?
              When will you LEARN to think, not live instincts?
      2. +2
        16 February 2014 05: 27
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        This fact somehow does not fit into the outline of the article, which, by and large, does not report anything new - those who are interested in the history of the Great Patriotic War know the course of the Battle of Stalingrad is clearly no worse. But the author played on not very flattering reviews about the creation of F. Bondarchuk, contrasting a good series of Ursulyak, shot on the unimportant book of Grossman.
        What do we have in the bottom line? Agitation in the "dry-official" style of Agitprop, served under the sauce of the disapproval of modern Russian cinema in the form of "Stalingrad". The trick was a success. Under the clever movements of the author's hands, the people amicably and enthusiastically showed their patriotism, not bothering to understand the material. However, this happens regularly ...

        TOTALLY AGREE, THERE ARE SO CRAWL OF THE HERO MAKE A CRIMINAL, AND WHO IS THE AUTHOR?
        1. +2
          16 February 2014 12: 16
          Quote: Dmitry
          And who is the author?

          Find the version in the search engine. Searchers. The last redoubt.
          1. +1
            16 February 2014 17: 11
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Find the version in the search engine. Searchers. The last redoubt.

            Lead Andrei And in his program he tried to convince that there were no 28 Panfilov’s.
      3. +1
        16 February 2014 07: 07
        Something I’ve gotten lost in your philosophical muddy .... Why didn’t you like the article? Can I be more specific?
        1. +1
          16 February 2014 12: 21
          Quote: Magadan
          Something I'm lost in your philosophical muddy ...

          What kind of dregs Internet patriots write, ears curl up into a tube: "What is there to think about - take away and divide", "Execution list", etc.
          Quote: Magadan
          Why didn’t you like the article? Can I be more specific?

          Really did not get it?
        2. +3
          16 February 2014 17: 03
          Quote: Magadan
          Something I’ve gotten lost in your philosophical muddy .... Why didn’t you like the article? Can I be more specific?

          Such authors in the 90s tried to drag us in, that there was no Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, there were no 28 Panfilov’s, there was no Battle of Kulikov, etc. and today that Pavlov hustler is.
          1. +2
            16 February 2014 18: 29
            Quote: Dmitry
            Such authors in the 90s tried to drag us in, that there was no Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, there were no 28 Panfilov’s

            Learn the materiel ...
            Such pseudo-patriots, with a splash of drool, mock the generals of the Red Army in the early years of the Great Patriotic War, studying history from Discovery and Hollywood films ...
      4. -2
        16 February 2014 16: 19
        Did you figure it out? Share your inspiration, not yapping.
        1. +1
          16 February 2014 16: 21
          Quote: Theophanes
          Do not yap.

          Pshol out ...
    2. +3
      16 February 2014 07: 12
      But are we ourselves who are they to compare who was more heroically defending Pavlov’s House ?! Our business is simply to hold our breath and realize our immaturity and unworthiness before our great ancestors. There is Pavlov’s House, there is truth about him. What do you want to convey more? Can it give food to all sorts of new pseudo-historians who, after 20 years later, will generally say (when the last veterans die) that there was no such Pavlov House and all this was invented by Stalinist propaganda?
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 12: 22
        Quote: Magadan
        There is Pavlov’s House, there is truth about him.

        If you are such a supporter officialdom, then really - what is steamed?
        1. 11111mail.ru
          -1
          16 February 2014 21: 31
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          If you are such a supporter of officialdom, then really - what is soared?

          Hey, wise, understand your spelling, please! Here is the last word before the question mark:
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          steamed?
          Something is missing in your work as a soft sign in the word, or something in the commentary.
          1. +1
            16 February 2014 22: 20
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            Something is missing in your work, whether there is a soft sign in the word

            Do not attribute to me the authorship of this quackery on history ...
            For the most literate: particle whether is written separately.

            And if you are among the offended Internet patriots, I can only sympathize - ignorance or distortion of the events described in the article is not my cant.
  18. +4
    16 February 2014 07: 05
    Quote: I think so
    And why does this house still bear the name "Pavlov's house"? After all, almost everyone already knows that this sergeant became famous not for his military exploits, but for his "nimbleness".


    Because Thu is primarily a symbol. I do not think that that lieutenant had any offense. And similar claims, if anything, can still be [b] [b] from the family of Lieutenant Afanasyev, but not from such clever people.
    To the people! THEN they are outraged by Legend number 17, they say "that this movie is only about Kharlamov, because the whole team played", then, you see, there were no 28 Panfilovites. THEN we, it turns out, "showered the Germans with corpses", then what kind of crap does not give rest!
    The house of PAVLOV is our symbol of our Great History and because of the seeming "injustice" it is not necessary to write the name of the hero in quotation marks.
  19. +3
    16 February 2014 09: 59
    Hmm. Interesting of course. And this must be told and shown constantly. Only to tell and show so that there would be no questions like "Wouldn't it have been better to surrender / surrender at the mercy of the invaders?"
  20. polkownik1
    +4
    16 February 2014 14: 55
    The question with the names of those who actually commanded can be clarified. But we must always remember the main thing: there were NO HEROES in that fortress house!
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 16: 36
      Quote: polkownik1
      The question with the names of those who actually commanded can be clarified

      Why didn't the author bother to do this? Did he just copy-paste Wikipedia and reviews of films? What is the data of 50 years ago and personal reviews of film production?
      And why are Internet patriots in a friendly rush ready to constantly raise their hand at the next occasion to prove their ostentatious patriotism, corny not wanting to KNOW HISTORY of the country and the Great Patriotic War?
      Quote: polkownik1
      But we must always remember the main thing: there were NO HEROES in that fortress house!

      I have not questioned this fact in any of my posts.
      And only the "blinkered" and narrow-minded people saw in my criticism of the author in an INCOMPLETE, and therefore UNRELIABLE article, signs of corpus delicti "Hands off Vietnam!", "Freedom to Angela Davis!" laughing
      1. 11111mail.ru
        +1
        16 February 2014 21: 35
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        "Hands off Vietnam!", "Freedom for Angela Davis!"

        Forgot to add "freedom to parrots" and "well, wait!".
    2. +2
      16 February 2014 16: 47
      There are no heroes in any war! The only question is: traitors-heroes for some and scum for others. All the rest are heroic participants in the war. Each invested in Victory as much as he could and how much was given to him from above, and strength, and heroism, and a place for heroism. Eternal Glory to all the Winners, all Workers of war. Death to traitors and scoundrels! Shame on any barking diber-liber, neoliberal and other trash! Thanks to all the fighters of Victory for the gift of life!
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 18: 23
        Quote: Theophanes
        ... Glory ... Death ... Shame ... Thank you ...

        Saliva is not choked? laughing
        1. 11111mail.ru
          -1
          16 February 2014 21: 41
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Saliva is not choked?

          And your back is white ... but your thoughts are black!
          1. +1
            16 February 2014 22: 22
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            And your back is white ... but your thoughts are black!

            Street wit?
            1. 11111mail.ru
              -1
              17 February 2014 16: 46
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Street wit?

              Rather, the controller is "the face of morality" in this case. And in my life I do not respect the supposedly VIP with rasping in my thoughts.
              1. +1
                17 February 2014 18: 10
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                Rather, the controller is "the face of morality" in this case

                Which supervisors control supervisors? laughing
                Have you appointed yourself?
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                But in life I do not respect supposedly VIP c-expansion in my thoughts.

                Before you engage in criticism - look into your soul ... And then give assessments to others.