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Contract for the supply of X-NUMX T-50BB64 tanks in DRC

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According to the Ukrainian state-owned company Ukrspetsexport, SE Ukroboronservis signed a contract with a foreign customer for a major overhaul and delivery of 50 main combat tanks T-64BV1. Work will be carried out at the State Enterprise "Kharkov Armored Plant".



Tank T-XNUMHAV of the armed forces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo at a military parade in Kinshasa in honor of the 72 anniversary of the country's independence. 50. In 30.06.2010, Ukraine supplied the DRC with 2009 T-100AV and 72 T-30MV tanks. Now DRC acquires in Ukraine from storage 55 tanks T-50BB64 (c) AP


“The signing of this contract is a serious step by the Concern to the conclusion of this type of tank on the world arms markets. The T-64 is considered a strategic breakthrough tank and has not been shipped abroad to date. For a number of tactical and technical characteristics, such as firepower, security, maneuverability, this tank surpasses the T-72, and with elements of modernization in the T-64BM Bulat version, respectively T-90. In addition, according to the “price-quality” criterion, the upgraded T-64 are ahead of their foreign counterparts, ”said Vadim Fedosov, director of the armored, automotive, engineering and special equipment division of the Ukroboronprom group of companies. He stressed that the contract was concluded as part of the implementation of the decision of the Concern's management regarding the expansion of the supply of armored vehicles for the needs of foreign customers.

“In the presence of a large number of T-64 units in Ukraine, their implementation in foreign markets seems to be certainly more profitable for the country than recycling. Fulfillment of this contract allows you to load Ukrainian enterprises, increase the Concern's profitability and contributions to the budget, as well as create new jobs in the medium term. For example, the delivery of each T-64 tank will create at least one workplace at the contractor, ”said V. Fedosov.
He noted that after the signing of the contract for the repair and supply of X-NUMX tanks T-50BB64, the output of the state enterprise Kharkiv Armored Plant will be increased to almost 1 mln. This will create new opportunities for the enterprise in 100. First of all, the number of jobs will increase: the number of personnel in the enterprise will increase by 2014% compared to 20 year. The average salary will be 2013 UAH., Including, for workers - 4350 UAH., Other staff - 4644 UAH. Up to 4080 mln. the amount of taxes paid to the budget will increase. The estimated profit of the plant will be 5,1 mln. UAH, which will provide an opportunity to update the fixed assets of the company, to repair and modernize them.

Sergey Gromov, Director General of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies, stated that the Concern aims at expanding the export of T-64 tanks. “A number of foreign customers who exploit Soviet-made equipment show interest in acquiring these tanks. We have confidence in the success of this product, ”said the general director of Ukroboronprom.


Comment bmpd. According to our data, this contract was concluded on the eve of the New Year and provides for the supply of X-NUMX T-50BB64 tanks from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine to the Democratic Republic of Congo. The extremely low cost of the contract draws attention - the message delicately states that "after signing a contract for the repair and supply of X-NUMX T-1BV-50 tanks, the production volume of Kharkiv Armored Plant will be increased to almost UAH 64 [that is, up to about 1 million dollars] ". And this, along with other works of the Kharkov plant. Thus, the cost of one tank under this contract, in principle, cannot exceed 100 thousand dollars, and most likely is at a lower level (of the order of 11 thousand dollars, if not less) - taking into account the "overhaul". Thus, the tanks are sold at the price of scrap metal.

Nevertheless, it should be noted that this is the first "official" contract for the sale of T-64 family tanks for export. So far, the T-64 tank has not been shipped abroad (outside the USSR / CIS / Ukraine) - with the exception of unconfirmed information about the sale of approximately 10 T-64B tanks to the Angolan opposition movement UNITA at the beginning of the 2000s by Ukrainian "special exporters".
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  1. svp67
    svp67 13 February 2014 11: 13
    +10
    Interesting ... And since the Congo already has a T72, it will have something to compare with and continue to draw a conclusion and a choice ...
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 13 February 2014 11: 17
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      Interesting..


      Well now, other tankers vorobey, Aleks TV, Kars come up and come off to the full laughing
      The entrance to this thread for others is "ordered". wassat

      Good day, Sergey hi
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 February 2014 11: 25
        +28
        Quote: Apollon
        Well now, other tankers vorobey, Aleks TV, Kars come up and come off to the full

        Great guys.
        hi

        So why come off?
        T-64 finally received an official passport.
        Let him travel, the world will see ... the blacks will crush ...
        yes
        wink
        1. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 13 February 2014 11: 37
          +18
          Quote: Aleks tv

          T-64 finally received an official passport.
          Let him travel, the world will see ... the blacks will suppress ...:

          overhaul tank at the price of a land cruiser 200)))) and this is the beginning of a foreign career? well, then free then give it to the poor, but try to make money on the service
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 13 February 2014 13: 42
            +11
            Quote: Kyrgyz
            overhaul tank at the price of land cruiser 200

            In general, it's cool, the whole contract is for the price of one (!) Football player Spartak or Miner. For the price of "St. Petersburg" footballers Hulk and Witsel such tanks can be armed with half of Africa.
          2. Kars
            Kars 13 February 2014 13: 45
            +10
            Quote: Kyrgyz
            overhaul tank at the price of a land cruiser 200)))) and is this the beginning of a foreign career?

            More nonsense with bmpd. These are noble irrigators of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine.
            Regarding 100 millions, the plant will receive so much, how much the Ministry of Defense, ukrobornprom, will receive. It can be said that thorough repairs will cost 11 millions of dollars.
            1. Akim
              Akim 13 February 2014 14: 03
              +3
              Quote: Kars
              Regarding 100 millions, the plant will receive so much, how much the Ministry of Defense, ukrobornprom, will receive. It can be said that thorough repairs will cost 11 millions of dollars.

              I agree. It is written that factory revenues will amount to 100 million hryvnia.
              He also informed that after the signing the contract for repair and supply of 50 tanks T-64BV-1, the State Enterprise “Kharkiv Plant of Armored Tanks” will increase its outputs almost up to UAH 100 mln.

              http://www.defence-blog.com/?p=522
              Although, if only for selling 200 pieces of greenery - also not bad.
              1. Kars
                Kars 13 February 2014 14: 16
                +5
                Quote: Akim
                Although, if only for selling 200 pieces of greenery - also not bad.

                For a long time I was not interested in scrap prices.
                it’s just interesting if it’s honest, how can I hand over how much money T-64 / T72 will give to metal? Metal there is a lot of color meta, tracks from a special alloy. There are aluminum. etc.
                Plus the gun can be used as a spare.

                Something tells me that you can sell more expensive 200 000
                1. Akim
                  Akim 13 February 2014 14: 25
                  +4
                  Quote: Kars
                  For a long time I was not interested in scrap prices.

                  Very cheap. Somewhere up to 2,5 thousand UAH. per ton of black scrap.
                  About components Neighbors recently handed over a broken "Japanese woman" for spare parts - 800 bucks. And this is Divine.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 13 February 2014 14: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: Akim
                    Very cheap. Somewhere before 2,5 thousand

                    Maybe the intermediaries? Remember the districts bought up scrap at the same price, but if you brought it to Zaporizhstal yourself it was much more expensive. But here you can say a large batch.

                    And then there is the state structure, centralized.

                    and about cars - I’m a little familiar with the topic, the parsers live in chocolate. They tear people away like sticky.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 13 February 2014 14: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: Kars
                      Maybe the intermediaries?

                      I agree again. Anyone who is tying manhole covers will not take them to the factory. But even increasing the amount by half is still not enough.
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 13 February 2014 14: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: Kars
                  There a lot of color meta, tracks from a special alloy. There are aluminum. etc.


                  Hello Andrew, and most importantly almost a half kilo of gold. keep quiet for silver
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 13 February 2014 15: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: vorobey
                    the main thing is almost a half kilo of gold. keep quiet for silver

                    hi. that will most likely be instantly seized privately.
                    It is interesting to vet during thorough repairs and they can change the electronics, they will remove the metals to the modern drag.

                    And here about the caterpillars, there’s definitely some kind of alloy with manganese, which costs a lot of money.
                    1. sapran
                      sapran 13 February 2014 15: 16
                      0
                      Steel GL113 "Self-riveting" of no value in the national economy ...
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 13 February 2014 15: 20
                        +3
                        Quote: sapran
                        Steel GL113 "Self-riveting" of no value in the national economy ...

                        So I'm not talking about the national economy,

                        is tungsten here too, a lot of value in the national economy?
                      2. Anatole Klim
                        Anatole Klim 13 February 2014 16: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Kars
                        tungsten here too

                        In your photo there is a tank cumulative shell, there is no tungsten there. Tungsten carbide is in the armor-piercing subcaliber.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 13 February 2014 16: 43
                        +1
                        Sorry, I don’t get BPS under my arm. I really want to.

                        And the cover of the cumulative funnel?
                      4. Anatole Klim
                        Anatole Klim 13 February 2014 16: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Kars
                        And the cover of the cumulative funnel?

                        The copper funnel is best suited for the formation of a cumulative jet and the greatest armor penetration is achieved.
                      5. Kars
                        Kars 13 February 2014 16: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: Anatol Klim
                        Copper funnel

                        Oh already good for the national economy))) copper is good.

                        They say they can also use tantalum, and composites. But this is an old shell.
                3. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 13 February 2014 17: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  So I'm not talking about the national economy,

                  Andrey, is this your wealth? Practical?
                4. Kars
                  Kars 13 February 2014 17: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Practical?

                  It’s not mine yet. It’s in the Zaporizhzhya model store, so far they cannot add up the price.
                5. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 13 February 2014 17: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  they cannot add up the price so far.

                  laughing
                  Clear.
                  And here I am because of spiritual stupidity I gave my glass cleaned to shine ... well, a pallet ...
                  repeat
                  Eheh, now I'm sorry. I ordered a new one. A crowd of hers is great to drink "tea" ...
                  winked
                6. Kars
                  Kars 13 February 2014 17: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Eheh, now I'm sorry. I ordered a new one.

                  My scrap was 115 mm. As a child, I’m looking for a similar one now.
            2. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 13 February 2014 17: 17
              +2
              Quote: Aleks tv
              Practical?

              Practical - it was painted black, it is combat, it only rusted, but you can shoot without problems, the main thing is that the stabilizers go, otherwise they will jam from rust and fly somersaults.
            3. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 13 February 2014 17: 33
              +4
              Quote: Anatol Klim
              Practical - painted black

              That damn thing, exactly.
              Thank you for correcting, Anatoly.
              I'm getting old ...
              recourse
            4. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 13 February 2014 17: 39
              +3
              Quote: Aleks tv
              I'm getting old ...

              Alexei! I’ve already passed half a century, I just saw a photo of the shell, but the memories surged.
            5. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 13 February 2014 17: 45
              +1
              Quote: Anatol Klim
              I’ve already passed half a century, I just saw a photo of the shell, but the memories surged.

              I still 43 ...
              repeat
              Chet is tormented by vague doubts about the projectile ... well, not combat ...
              Does the training have the same coloring, and it seems like the black belt at the top is slightly visible?
              Is it? Do not confuse?
            6. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 13 February 2014 17: 52
              0
              Quote: Aleks tv
              The training has the same coloring

              It’s quite possible, it’s hard to see, maybe Kars will explain, because he uploaded the photo, he’ll go from where he downloaded it, but look what and how.
            7. Kars
              Kars 13 February 2014 18: 00
              +4
              Quote: Anatol Klim
              because he uploaded the photo, he’ll go from where he downloaded it, but look what and how.

              Actually, the jacket in the photo is mine)))) and I hold the shell personally. I’ll definitely come in the other day. Maybe it will be determined with the price.
            8. Kars
              Kars 14 February 2014 02: 05
              +2
              Ammunition gun D-81TM (Figure Alex Lee)
              1. 4Ж40 charge in a case with a burning case. It is used for cumulative and high-explosive fragmentation shells, as well as the main charge for armor-piercing projectile shells.
              2. Armor-piercing projectile 3BM10 projectile with additional charge and armor-piercing projectile 3BM9 projectile without additional charge with a drive ring consisting of three sectors fastened with a sealing belt and a stopper.
              3. Cumulative projectile 3БК18М with fuse B-15.
              4. Practical cumulative projectile 3P11 with the layout of the fuse I-238.
              5. 3OF26 high-explosive fragmentation shell with a B-429E fuse.
              6. Practical high-explosive fragmentation projectile 3P23 with enriched fuse B-429Е.
              7. 9М112М guided cumulative projectile, consisting of the head and tail compartments, interconnected in the MZ tray during loading
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  • Akim
    Akim 13 February 2014 15: 59
    +4
    Quote: vorobey
    and most importantly, almost a half kilo of gold. keep quiet for silver

    It depends on how you sell it. A person can be estimated at 2 bucks, like ashes or tens of bodies, like organs.
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  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 13 February 2014 14: 03
    +2
    Quote: Kyrgyz
    overhaul tank at the price of a land cruiser 200)))) and this is the beginning of a foreign career? well, then free then give it to the poor, but try to make money on the service

    Well, something like this, for sure, is the case.
    And the chatter of a comrade: "strategic breakthrough" and so on ... Well, that's what we should say. wink
    These tanks, still Soviet-made, here it's all about price.
    And if there is a benefit compared to recycling, then we must definitely sell it.
    And how quickly they finish in the Congo is not so important. wink
  • cosmos111
    cosmos111 13 February 2014 12: 29
    +4
    Great hi
    Quote: Aleks tv
    the world will see ... the blacks will crush ...

    blacks are used to the easy-to-operate T55,72 good (((
    there, non-killable engines of type B-46 (B-84) (((
    and how, they pull, capricious in operation, the diesel engine 6TD-2 crying ??
    here, This is the question No. 1 (((((
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 13 February 2014 13: 39
      +4
      Quote: cosmos111
      and how, they pull, capricious in operation, the diesel engine 6TD-2


      6TD-2? On the T64BV?

      Rather 5TDF if also after the capital. Here with him the "pale-faced" brothers and will be poured.
      1. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 13 February 2014 14: 07
        +3
        More likely 5TDF if also after kapitalki. And what 115 tank repair is still alive ??? Nobody repaired 5TDF in Ukraine except him. Although Germany is not far from them, the GDR tank repair station in Kirchmezer or Dresden may still be alive. Selling the T-64 to Africa is like clogging a bunch with a microscope, only from despair
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 February 2014 14: 18
          +3
          Quote: Andrey 447
          to deliver T-64 to Africa is like clogging a bunch with a microscope, only from despair

          And what's the difference? To Africa? To Australia? To South America, if it would be someone to whom and to Antarctica.
          1. Andrew 447
            Andrew 447 13 February 2014 14: 47
            +5
            Kars I am not sarcastic, there is a saying "Don't be dashing while it is quiet." There will be no happiness from this contract, I understand that it is bezishodnost. The maximum that tankers from the Congo are capable of is to drive these tanks into trenches around the presidential palace. Niggas, in principle, are not able to adequately operate these machines.
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 February 2014 15: 06
              +4
              Quote: Andrey 447
              There will be no happiness from this contract.

              Why?
              Quote: Andrey 447
              I understand that he is from hopelessness

              Oh yes Ukrainianskin aircraft will suffer losing 50 tanks from almost 2000.
              Quote: Andrey 447
              . The maximum that tankers from Congo can do is drive these tanks into the trenches around the presidential palace. Niggas, in principle, are not able to adequately operate these machines.

              These are their personal problems. By the way, how do you feel about tankers from Uganda? I'm serious.
              1. Kars
                Kars 13 February 2014 15: 59
                +1
                Quote: Andrey 447
                Niggas basically can't adequately operate these machines

                Uganda - 44 T-90CA, as of 2011 year. Tanks were delivered in 2011 year

                The Republic of Uganda (Eng. Republic of Uganda, Swahili Jamhuri ya Uganda) is a state in East Africa. Included in the Commonwealth of Nations. Ethnic composition:
                Bantu peoples - only about 70%:
                gang - 4 126 093 people - 16,9%;
                nkole - 2 329 972 people - 9,5%;
                Soga - 2 062 761 people - 8,4%;
                Kiga - 1 679 451 people - 6,9%;
                Gisu - 1 117 243 people - 4,5%;
                nyoro - 667 012 people - 2,7%;
                conjo - 608 690 people - 2,4%;
                toro - 606 897 people - 2,4%;
                Bafumbira (near Nyaruanda) - 488 890 people - 1,9%;
                Hwera - 408 738 people - 1,7%;
                nuli - 340 469 people - 1,7%;
                Nyaruanda - 314 598 people - 1,3%;
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  • vorobey
    vorobey 13 February 2014 13: 21
    +5
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Why bother? T-64 has finally received an official passport.


    greetings to all.

    Lech. well smiled.

    Wait, Kars will come running, take the shovel and start waving. tongue
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 February 2014 13: 32
      +3
      Quote: vorobey
      Wait, Kars will come running, take the shovel and start waving.

      Hi Sanya.
      That I without raids ...
      request

      I'm talking about the tank - let the car scatter, in Africa it will wash its harp.
      yes
      And the negroes are that they are ... this is now their concern.
      Look, let our guys from the site persuade them to go to them as advisers and technical consultants - that’s what the Negers think about.
      wink
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  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 13 February 2014 14: 39
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    ... blacks will crush ...

    Oh no no no! You are intolerant, however. We must say "African Africans". And how will they suddenly be offended? laughing And they will have tanks ...
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 February 2014 14: 44
      +6
      Quote: Jogan-64
      You are intolerant, however. We must say "African Africans".

      No, Ivan. I am definitely not tolerant.
      No.
      laughing
      Yes, and I did not offend African-American blacks ...
      request

      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 13 February 2014 14: 57
        +10
        From the frost, a rosy black man came to us,
        funny and drunk sat down at the table
        he drank moonshine and smoked "goat's leg"
        and ate boiled potatoes like an "elephant"
        healthy, gray and in a sheepskin coat,
        he eclipsed us in a tight coat,
        he plows and sows with his own hands
        and we can get along with men,
        the cart and sleigh are standing on the threshold
        he soars in a bathhouse and believes in God,
        lover of dancing and playing the harmonica,
        scold someone's "mother", but even then only "trosh",
        when he sang about distant Honduras,
        we were touched by lines, already tears from our eyes,
        everyone knows in the village, he’s an intelligent man,
        they simply call him Vova!
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 13 February 2014 15: 13
          +5
          Quote: Alex 241
          From the frost, a rosy black man came to us,


          Quote: Alex 241
          everyone knows in the village, he’s an intelligent man, he’s simply called Vova here!

          class .... good
      2. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 14 February 2014 00: 54
        +2
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Yes, and I did not offend African-American blacks ...

        I actually joked ... hi They also taught me at school. Only here in VO, about six months ago, one comrade even fiercely argued that it was intolerant to call blacks negroes and it was a shame for him. He, according to him, is a Negro himself. How much they did not prove to everyone that the Russians did not mean anything offensive at the same time, that our attitude towards blacks was not at all the same as in America, etc., he still rested on his own. fool Anything can happen ... request
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 14 February 2014 01: 00
          +3
          [/ Center]
          Kill me! I don’t understand what is offensive in the word Negro? Especially since they themselves call each other so: niger.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 14 February 2014 15: 54
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            Kill me! I don’t understand what is offensive in the word Negro? Especially since they themselves call each other so: niger.

            Who knows? Maybe everything in relation to them arrogant Saxons as subhuman? So to us, the Slavs, they also relate. Who Africa has been roaming for centuries? They are parasites ... It’s just that they snotted more than once from us, and therefore they don’t show their teeth again. And for us, no matter who you are, if only you were a man. good
  • Astrey
    Astrey 14 February 2014 01: 25
    0
    The secrecy of this model, of course, is already less relevant than in the days of the USSR, but - before there were reasons not to SELL ?!

    The machines may not be "from conservation" but as in 2008 - "from alert". What a sadness. The wrong coholes will get into their hands again. And who (pro-Americans or pro-Chinese) Ukraine supports in the Congo conflict is a mystery.

    It seems that the circumstances completely pressed the current government - throwing away trump cards for cheap - well, it’s not at all solid ...

    BUT! There is a spoonful of honey in a Ukrainian barrel!) There is a real chance to find out how elegant tanks will behave in a real battle. In this case, "our tankers" will have a field for the manifestation of their abilities, and readers will have interesting food for their minds.
    1. Kars
      Kars 14 February 2014 02: 04
      +1
      Quote: Astrey
      as in 2008, - "from combat duty"

      BV1 are not used in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Chase T-64BV and BM Bulat

      Quote: Astrey
      There is a real chance to find out how elegant tanks behave in real combat.

      here it’s already especially vryatli. look for reviews from South Sudan on T-72. blogging is not particularly accepted,
  • Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 13 February 2014 11: 25
    +19
    Let us congratulate the Kharkiv citizens for having managed to persuade 11 million comrades of blacks. Just don’t dance the hopak on the belly because of this. Otherwise, even comrades negros will consider you inadequate, especially when pearls are transferred to them, such as: "T-64 is considered a strategic breakthrough tank."

    I remember that the United States offered Ukraine about the same, or even less, amount so that Ukraine would cut all its T-64s into scrap metal. So, let’s thank the Kharkiv people even for this muzzle of the West.
  • svp67
    svp67 13 February 2014 11: 29
    +7
    Quote: Apollon
    Good day, Sergey

    kind hi .
    And what is there to come off. Obviously, it is clear that the "purchase" is more a success of Ukrainian diplomacy than of tank builders ... As the saying goes, "it's not a big deal to open your beak in a big family" - this is my reproach to our diplomats and arms dealers ...
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 13 February 2014 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: Apollon
      Good day, Sergey

      kind hi .
      And what is there to come off. Obviously, it is clear that the "purchase" is more a success of Ukrainian diplomacy than of tank builders ... As the saying goes, "it's not a big deal to open your beak in a big family" - this is my reproach to our diplomats and arms dealers ...

      Did you see the price of the contract? where is the success?
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 February 2014 11: 57
        +9
        Quote: Kyrgyz
        Did you see the price of the contract? where is the success?

        In Congo, success in capturing an entire country's arms market. Now you need specialists for training, maintenance, spare parts, etc. and tp ... And there maybe someone else can be lured ...
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 13 February 2014 11: 51
      +5
      Quote: Aleks tv
      So why come off?

      Quote: svp67
      Why come off


      Greetings hi
      It doesn’t matter in which incarnation, the main thing is that tanks !!! And tanks are your hobby and that’s it. good
  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 12: 02
    +9
    Take to the company? hi wink
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 February 2014 12: 08
      +6
      Quote: extankist
      Take to the company?

      Andrew, That is not a problem!
      Come in. Pour in. Drink it.
      hi
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2014 14: 40
        +2
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Quote: extankist
        Take to the company?

        Andrew, That is not a problem!
        Come in. Pour in. Drink it.
        hi


        Remember post already on neighing. DEJAW.

        The disposition was as follows ... We delivered transport to the necessary point of the route with training aids, uniforms, turret DShKs, paired and course SGMT and other accessories of the young tanker's school, but we did not find the tanks themselves there. The tanks promised to be adjusted in ten to twelve days, and by the way, the personnel of the training center moved with them, and the future cadets were little in place, so there was already a barracks for them, where they joyfully indulged in idleness. Cadets, by the way, were somewhat peculiar for these places. It was the former guard of some kind of oil fields or mines, it consisted exclusively of mulattos, plus these mulattos owned small arms, knew how to handle vehicles and, most importantly, sympathized with the ideas of Socialism. Well, idleness, this is not permissible for a soldier, as the Chief Advisor told us, and having presented a radiogram from our leadership, he ordered, without further ado, to begin the production of the training process and carry it on until the arrival of equipment and staff.
        Well, what we decided, the order is the order and took up the cadets with all diligence.
        Due to the lack of tanks, we decided to learn them from posters, cut-through manuals on equipment and weapons, and a little something else that they will certainly come in handy in the future.
        The cockroach and Akim nearly got into a fight when they discussed the curriculum, but the Baron quickly gave all the brothers the alkali. The cadets were divided into three training platoons of eight people each, and Akim, Arkany and Tarakana were appointed instructor commanders, respectively.

        Further here http://www.bigler.ru/showstory.php?story_id=8363
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 13 February 2014 15: 07
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Further here http://www.bigler.ru/showstory.php?story_id=8363

          laughing
          good
          1. ale-x
            ale-x 13 February 2014 16: 05
            +1
            "Tales in camouflage" on artofwar. read, excellent lol.
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  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 13 February 2014 11: 19
    +3
    New Year's SALE or an attraction of unprecedented generosity? a good tank for 200 000 $ is fantastic
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 February 2014 11: 37
      +11
      Quote: seller trucks
      New Year's SALE or an attraction of unprecedented generosity? a good tank for 200 000 $ is fantastic

      When, in the summer, there was a "duck!" "That NATO gives miles to destroy 2000 tanks, they shouted FU. Now, for 12,5 million they are pushing a little more than 50. Still not enough!
      The frayer's greed will destroy. China, its upgraded Type 85-II, generally pushes for 150 pieces.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 13 February 2014 12: 05
        +9
        greetings to Akim! Do you think that from this trash it will turn out to "modernize" something worthy? Fedosov, in fact, destroyed the enterprise, now he is engaged in ZIM, there is a corrupt component
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 February 2014 12: 19
          +4
          Quote: seller trucks
          Do you think that from this trash it will turn out to "modernize" something worthy?

          And hello to you. Could - success them. They can’t - rightly so.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 13 February 2014 12: 28
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Could - success them. They can’t - rightly so.


            What are you with such pessimism?
            1. Akim
              Akim 13 February 2014 12: 33
              +4
              Quote: seller trucks
              What are you with such pessimism?

              Why should I rejoice? They will sell the trash, but they will not buy new or modernized one for the army.
          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 13 February 2014 12: 48
            +8
            Quote: Akim
            And hello to you. Could - success them. They can’t - rightly so.

            Akim hi
            with an accordion on the armor, not You (YOU) wassat ((((

            I posted, above: it's all about exploitation (((
            can blacks master a rather complicated tank((((
            1. Akim
              Akim 13 February 2014 12: 57
              +3
              Quote: cosmos111
              Akim
              with an accordion on the armor, not You (YOU) ((((

              Apparently my grandfather. Here he was able to play the harmonica. True, he fought in another war.
              Quote: seller trucks
              Fedosov essentially ruined the enterprise,

              By the way. This plant was in disgrace due to the fact that Fedosov did not allow him to cut the remaining T-80s on its territory. Salamatin (MO) left and the plant began to climb out. Even on the website of Ukrspetsexport, his BMP appeared.
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 13 February 2014 14: 14
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Fedosov did not allow him to cut the T-80 remaining on his territory


                I don’t know where you got such infa from? The plant reached this state already under Vadik.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 13 February 2014 14: 18
                  0
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  I don’t know where you got such infa from?

                  From those who work there. Whoever was fired will naturally say that there is KAPETS.
                  1. seller trucks
                    seller trucks 13 February 2014 14: 35
                    -1
                    Quote: Akim
                    Whoever was fired will naturally say that there is KAPETS.


                    as I understand you about the "tank strain"? in vain you are so Yashka - tanker, driving
            2. vorobey
              vorobey 13 February 2014 15: 07
              +2
              Quote: cosmos111

              cosmos111
              (2)

              Today, 12: 48

              ↑ ↓


              Quote: Akim And hello to you. Could - success them. They won’t be able to - rightly so. Akim with an accordion on the armor, not You (YOU) ((((I posted, above: it's all about exploitation (((can the Negroes master a rather complicated,



              Well, if the Arabs after T54 got into the T90 and immediately went then I think they can.

              In general, as the American proverb says

              "The problems of blacks sheriff is not interested in"
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          3. Cherdak
            Cherdak 13 February 2014 13: 43
            0
            Quote: Akim
            They can’t - rightly so.

            It was enough for a Ukrainian specialist to contact the Korean embassy, ​​and he was already provided with a visa, plane tickets and a salary for one month. The level of salary varied depending on the qualifications and usefulness of the employee: the average specialist $ 1500-2000 a month, the famous specialist $ 3000-4000.


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        2. avg
          avg 13 February 2014 13: 01
          +1
          Quote: seller trucks
          Do you think that from this trash it will turn out to "modernize" something worthy?

          I don’t know how they are preparing for storage, but at least they are civil. You should have seen how our, withdrawn from the GSVG are standing, in Shilovo near Novosibirsk ... You can only howl with rage and grief.
      2. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 13 February 2014 13: 09
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: seller trucks
        New Year's SALE or an attraction of unprecedented generosity? a good tank for 200 000 $ is fantastic

        When, in the summer, there was a "duck!" "That NATO gives miles to destroy 2000 tanks, they shouted FU. Now, for 12,5 million they are pushing a little more than 50. Still not enough!
        The frayer's greed will destroy. China, its upgraded Type 85-II, generally pushes for 150 pieces.

        such a contract is better than throwing it in the trash, I do not argue, but this cannot be called a breakthrough on the international market, not in mockery of the deal, but to how the deal was presented
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 February 2014 13: 19
          0
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          such a contract is better than throwing it in the trash, I do not argue, but this cannot be called a breakthrough on the international market, not in mockery of the deal, but to how the deal was presented

          Well, there is such a harmful trait in the Soviet mentality self-embellishment - WILL BE WORKING STILL IT'S BETTER.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 13 February 2014 13: 40
    -1
    Quote: svp67
    Interesting ...

    It just takes anger, how interesting:

    Analysts say that Ukraine has already sold about 30 military technologies to China, including those related to key elements of equipment and technology. These are developments related to the construction of large transporters, as well as technologies used in the propulsion systems of aircraft carriers and large ships, in tank engines, and air-to-air missiles. Some foreign media even go so far as to declare: "China owes its military success to Ukraine."

    For 20 years, China has received from Ukraine almost all the technologies it needs. However, even despite the fact that in general, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine has little interest for China, in certain areas the PRC will continue to strengthen cooperation between the two countries.


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    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 13 February 2014 14: 22
      +4
      Quote: Cherdak
      It just takes anger, how interesting:


      Well, not only Ukrainians distinguished themselves in selling secrets and technologies after the collapse of the USSR, for example, But father, he sold the 1995 complex C-300 to the USA, if I am not mistaken, Kazakhstan also appeared on the sale of the complex.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 13 February 2014 15: 26
        -3
        Quote: seller trucks
        Father, sold 1995 the S-300 complex in the United States; if I am not mistaken, Kazakhstan also appeared on the sale of the complex.


        But garn lads all gone. Yamarka "Walk-Pole" - at least annoy Moscow for nothing, so that they will remember it for a long time.
        If only Europe would have chewed them up, then at least it would be clear how they should be treated. And then, with their zhovto-blakitny ensign, they "got fucked up to niba", they only raise the Maidan buchi, without deciding who to betray ...
        1. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 13 February 2014 19: 05
          +3
          Quote: Cherdak
          at least for nothing to annoy Moscow-lam, for a long time to remember.

          Why, there for a gift, I would have paid for the shit of a nagadyta. And then, yesterday, for a day, not one Moscow school did not spoil the meaning, so then he could not sleep all night! And then we have a moskale in bagato, when will they be completely gone? Will total insomnia be? crying Her, moskalі-treba more x0x0l without moskal-yak horseradish without a hole, you can live without a hole but not that! .. No.
          But seriously, whose cow would mumble about the fair
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 13 February 2014 20: 02
            -4
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            whose cow mumbled

            You will stay with such maydAunami "yak horseradish without a hole"
            1. GastaClaus69
              GastaClaus69 13 February 2014 21: 57
              -1
              ?? if it’s not difficult for you to enlighten me dark, what is the connection between the contract for used tanks, the technologies merged with the Americans and GDP per capita?
              Or are you so unbearable? Bear a little patience, tomorrow there will be new articles about maidAunov and Ukrainian fascisto!
  • URAL72
    URAL72 13 February 2014 17: 17
    +1
    I don't understand why they need the T-64? There are still many T-72s in Ukraine, it is better to buy vehicles of the same type ... On the other hand, there are no great Russian plains, and the enemy has no tanks (the main enemy is the rebels). In general, they took it as an art support machine, apparently they will be permanently based in problem areas, such a kind of "fortress cities" as in the old days. They will not be able to carry tanks through the jungle, having, moreover, a weak VTA (there is an Il-76, but mostly on loan with other people's crews).
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 14 February 2014 18: 06
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Interesting ... And since the Congo already has a T72, it will have something to compare with and continue to draw a conclusion and a choice ...


    They were offered to the ball quite working tanks, and they agreed. As I understand it in Africa, the situation is that whoever has a working tank will be right in the end.
  • svp67
    svp67 13 February 2014 11: 15
    +15
    Here, as they say - without comment ...
    1. spech
      spech 13 February 2014 11: 36
      +3
      normal rap laughing
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 13 February 2014 12: 04
      +6
      Hi all! hi
      Fun in general, for the stomach about 15 minutes just grabbed. laughing
      If they have the whole army like that, then the 64-karam karachun will come in a week. crying
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2014 15: 24
        +4
        Quote: wanderer_032
        If they have an entire army like that, then a 64-karachun will come in a week



        Nothing Hindus are also dancing around the Swedish cannon.

        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 February 2014 16: 38
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          Oh Indians also dance around the Swedish gun.

          it's a trifle, they always drown laughing ((((
          already posted yesterday, I repeat (((

          Self-propelled guns, on the chassis of the tank Arjun MK1(((
          gun, self-propelled guns -Soviet 130 mm M-46 good (((
          not NATO 155 mm caliber, but old, naval, Soviet >>> why, it is not entirely clear (((
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  • svp67
    svp67 13 February 2014 11: 16
    +5
    Attention is drawn to the extremely low cost of the contract - the message delicately states that "after signing a contract for the repair and delivery of 50 T-64BV-1 tanks, the production volumes of the Kharkov Armored Plant will be increased to almost 100 million UAH [that is, to about 11 million dollars] ". And this is coupled with other works of the Kharkov plant. Thus, the cost of one tank under this contract, in principle, cannot exceed 200 thousand dollars, but most likely is at a lower level (about 100 thousand dollars, if not less) - taking into account the "overhaul". Thus, tanks are sold at the price of scrap metal.
    Transportation will at least pay off ...?
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  • Duke
    Duke 13 February 2014 11: 20
    +6
    Brand Index Fundamental differences
    T-64A ob. 432 The basic version with a 115-mm gun D-68
    T-64A rev. 434 The basic version with a 125-mm gun D-81 (2A46-1)
    T-64R ob.432R T-64 after modernization brought to T-64A
    T-64AK rev.446 Commander version of the T-64A. Add. navigation and radio equipment (R-130, TNA-3)
    T-64AM Engine 6TD, improved tower
    T-64B ob. 447A Based on the T-64A with Cobra air-cooled missile system, FCS 1A33
    T-64B1 ob.437A Variant T-64B without installation KURV
    T-64BK Commander version of the T-64B
    T-64B1K ob.446B Commander version of the T-64B1 (R-130, TNA-4)
    T-64BV ob.447AV T-64B with dynamic protection
    T-64BVK T-64BK with dynamic protection
    T-64BM T-64B with 6TD engine
    T-64BV1
    1. svp67
      svp67 13 February 2014 11: 26
      +3
      T64BV1 is a simplified modification of the T64BV tank, from which the Guided Weapons Complex was removed ... In principle, this is the MOST successful SOVIET modification of the T64 tank ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 February 2014 11: 33
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        T64BV1 is a simplified modification of the T64BV tank, from which the Guided Weapons Complex was removed.

        Greetings, Sergey.
        hi
        Those. gunner’s night light TPN-3-49?
        1. svp67
          svp67 13 February 2014 11: 46
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Those. gunner’s night light TPN-3-49

          Welcome hi
          Most likely, although TPN - 1 ... on the part of the machines is also possible. But most likely, since their army is shrinking, they will recruit 50 vehicles in the required configuration ...
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 13 February 2014 11: 49
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            Most likely, although the presence of a transformer substation - 1 ... on the part of the machines is not excluded.

            Afiget ...
            I did not even imagine that such sights were set on the T-64 ...
            I thought that this is only for us, "seventy-two" falls, well, or just the very first cars.
            1. extankist
              extankist 13 February 2014 11: 53
              +1
              TPD-2-1, optical, didn’t they shoot like that?)
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 13 February 2014 12: 20
                +2
                Quote: extankist
                TPD-2-1, optical, didn’t they shoot like that?)

                This is when you turn the "wheel" over the Cheburashka and cheerfully try to make two halves of the target into one whole, looking through the eyepiece of the sight?
                And is all this skipping on the go?
                Is it?
                wink
                1. extankist
                  extankist 13 February 2014 12: 33
                  0
                  It’s the most, but then it seems like they shot with a short one, if my memory doesn’t fail me .... SHORT, yells BUT at TPU, and 10 seconds ...)
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 13 February 2014 12: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: extankist
                    It is the most

                    Quite briefly, this sight was caught, honestly, and did not shoot from it, he studied immediately on the quantum.
                    But he had heard enough ...
                  2. Andrew 447
                    Andrew 447 13 February 2014 14: 38
                    +1
                    I remember the first TPD2-49, monocular stereoscopic. Somehow, in the classes at the UTs, the teacher forced the range finder to be verified, I remember they were scrambling with the whole platoon on 3 half-day cars, and the teacher gave a laugh and sentenced the best range finder to the thousandth formula. I looked good, the range finder is about nothing, it's easier to determine the range on the scale of corrections. there were stability buttons of the rangefinder’s electric drive, well, besides this stupid disk between the sight and the remote control
                    1. Alekseev
                      Alekseev 13 February 2014 21: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Andrey 447
                      . The sight is good, the range finder is about nothing, it is easier to determine the range on the scale of corrections.

                      I found TPD2-49 a bit. In general, it determines the range quite accurately on the spot, I didn’t try it on the go, then the laser rangefinders went to PDPS 1G42.
                      But if you train the gunner for a long time, then perhaps this range finder can also be used effectively in the tank. In the Navy, something like that since ancient times.
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 13 February 2014 15: 13
                +2
                Quote: extankist
                TPD-2-1, optical, didn’t they shoot like that?)


                I I shot. After the laser Ales, the caput is complete. As a result, the peephole was oriented and corrected in fact.

                Probably not used to it simply.
                1. Andrew 447
                  Andrew 447 13 February 2014 15: 40
                  +1
                  In the T-64A, the gunner had a cool triplex device over the scope, it was good to navigate targets at night firing through him. In the platoon, he triplex shot through machine-gun targets and was very successful.
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            2. Andrew 447
              Andrew 447 13 February 2014 14: 52
              0
              Hi Aleksey! They can from warehouses and TPN-2-49-23, a particularly outstanding night lamp with no habit, but the Negro guys will learn stubborn
      2. extankist
        extankist 13 February 2014 11: 38
        +1
        Well, yes, T-64A, only the optical rangefinder has been replaced with a more "modern" means of measuring range as part of the "new" OMS.
        1. major071
          major071 13 February 2014 14: 20
          +6
          I didn’t shoot from 64 at all, only vodnie, all shooting at once on 72. And with a "insert" and regular. And so all four years. So I also did not find the optical one. laughing
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  • nekromonger
    nekromonger 13 February 2014 11: 26
    +3
    did you believe in the price of 200 thousand? me not.
  • UzRus
    UzRus 13 February 2014 11: 29
    +2
    and with modernization elements in the T-64BM Bulat version, the T-90, respectively. “Is that possible?”
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 February 2014 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: UzRus
      -64BM "Bulat" - respectively, the T-90. “Is that possible?”

      Yes. It is equal to the T-90 and T-72B2 Slingshot.
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 13 February 2014 11: 49
        +7
        no. he is much cooler! he is damask! leopards, those in fact how they hear about damask steel, they write boiling water under the caterpillars!
      2. svp67
        svp67 13 February 2014 11: 59
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        Yes. It is equal to the T-90 and T-72B2 Slingshot.
        He will come to the "biathlon" and compare ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 February 2014 12: 04
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          He will come to the "biathlon" and compare ...

          There will be more important skills and coherence of the crew.
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 February 2014 12: 07
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            There will be more important skills and coherence of the crew.
            Here, something tells me that the training of the crews will be very similar and, let's say, at the same level ... Nevertheless, the factor will be more - the perfection of technology ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 13 February 2014 12: 23
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              that the training of crews will be very similar and, let's say, on the same level ...

              Not really. The training of tankers in the T-64 is different from the T-72. But this clarification, let the forum users-tankers better explain.
              1. s1н7т
                s1н7т 13 February 2014 12: 46
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                The training of tankers in the T-64 is different from the T-72.

                I even became interested - what?
              2. extankist
                extankist 13 February 2014 15: 03
                +2
                No different in the study of tactical, tactical, special and technical training. It differs only in the study of the material part and armament of tanks located in the unit and the operations under it.
                1. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 13 February 2014 22: 28
                  0
                  Quote: extankist
                  It differs only in the study of the material part and weapons of tanks

                  Probably, it's not different in the study, but in the materiel itself? Engine, chassis. And the weapons, in principle, are not very good. True, I graduated from college for a long time, but I think that the actions with weapons during this "tankotlon" are generally no different. In any case, we, the cadets, did not care what kind of tank was in front of you, from 64 to 80, although the main ones were 62 and 72.
    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 13 February 2014 11: 44
      +6
      Quote: UzRus
      and with modernization elements in the T-64BM Bulat version, the T-90, respectively. “Is that possible?”

      what's question? Of course! This is a Ukrainian tank! laughing
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 13 February 2014 11: 35
    +3
    Why, at the same time, they did not write that this tank is superior to both Abrams and Leopard, and in general it is the most. Shy? Or just that’s enough.
  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 11: 37
    +9
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: Apollon
    Well now, other tankers vorobey, Aleks TV, Kars come up and come off to the full

    Great guys.
    hi

    So why come off?
    T-64 finally received an official passport.
    Let him travel, the world will see ... the blacks will crush ...
    yes
    wink

    M-yes, blacks with 5TDF get wet in hot countries, and a little with running gear. Most importantly, do not forget to put a soldier’s mug in a box for crew personal belongings (oblique zip) and pour water. But they can be launched without heating. 5TDF has finally found its country) But I'm not joking
    1. avg
      avg 13 February 2014 13: 24
      +6
      Quote: extankist
      But they can be launched without heating. 5TDF has finally found its country) But I'm not joking

      Blacks read the instructions, then they look at the calendar and start the heaters. I'm not kidding either yes
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2014 15: 33
        +6
        Quote: avg
        Blacks read the instructions, then they look at the calendar and start the heaters. I'm not kidding either


        good good

        I haven’t neighing like that for a long time. They are not Russian

        We will break it first and then begin to read the instructions.
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    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 13 February 2014 22: 04
      +1
      Quote: extankist
      M-yes, blacks with 5TDF chill out in hot countries, and with running a little

      That's right! good
      But about starting without heating, not a fact!
      I once came across one miracle-udo such (a new tank of a battle group) that in the summer it was necessary to warm maleho ...
      And the blacks will bend the levers of the MZ, they will not dry the silica gel in the PDPS drying cartridges and wash the air at the stand. Together with 64 it is necessary to "sell" blacks and smart lads for those. service staff.
  • ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 13 February 2014 11: 41
    +3
    The tank was good at the time now, as it will show itself, I find it difficult to answer, because if I do not upgrade it, it’s still vulnerable to ATGMs and new grenades for RPGs
    BUT in general I congratulate the Ukrainians on the success.
    1. extankist
      extankist 13 February 2014 11: 50
      +5
      Yes, he is still standing in the boxing of the battle group, then he’s good, by the way, there are no complaints with respect to the LMS and the CCR. But here is the engine and transmission compartment and chassis - I will criticize, as long as I remember.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2014 17: 22
        +2
        Quote: extankist
        There are no complaints regarding the LMS and CLE. But here is the engine and transmission compartment and chassis - I will criticize, as long as I remember.


        I’ve been talking about this for two years already from Kars and the allies. drinks

        Since there is something to compare. But my favorite car is the T 62M, which is where I started at TVTKU.
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      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 14 February 2014 14: 39
        0
        Quote: extankist
        There are no complaints regarding the LMS and CLE.

        The LMS is quite perfect, but the KUV "Cobra" ... Not an unambiguous thing.
        Bulky, requires serious maintenance (magnetron training), it is possible to interfere if the operating frequencies are known, but they can be changed. But ... the rocket flies quickly, it is possible to fill up the helicopter like a thread, it doesn’t wind like the SHEKSNA-Bastion, you can also get into the window.
        True, most likely, all of these systems have already been withdrawn from service, and if there are any, then they are faulty.
        1. Kars
          Kars 14 February 2014 16: 44
          +1
          Quote: Alekseev
          True, most likely, all these complexes have already been withdrawn from service,

          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82_(%D0%9F%D0%A2%
          D0% A3% D0% A0)

          the customer would have the money.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 15 February 2014 16: 11
            0
            Quote: Kars
            the customer would have the money.

            And rightly so!
            The whole question is not money, but in their quantity! fellow
            Но http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82_(%D0%9F%D0%A2%

            D0% A3% D0% A0) is not at all what Cobra is. No.
            This projectile (and KUV, of course) came to replace the Cobra (T-80U) in the USSR
            The control system on completely different physical principles.
            Shove the T-64 tower? It's possible! The whole question, as we rightly noted, see above. yes
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 13 February 2014 11: 43
    +2
    The T-64 is a great car - especially the Bulat upgrade !!! With such modernization, the relevance of remaining in service increases significantly.
  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 11: 47
    +4
    Quote: Lesorub
    The T-64 is a great car - especially the Bulat upgrade !!! With such modernization, the relevance of remaining in service increases significantly.

    Well, yes, "excellent", especially in sands, in conditions of forest dust and water shortage. I am telling you as the commander of a training platoon of a platoon in the GSVG (ZGV) who has 5 years of experience of endless operation. You can rac. sentence. Dismantle the heaters so that the negroes do not burn everything that comes to them. Maybe at least they (blacks) will not know about double heating with heat transfer, and oil injection!
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 February 2014 11: 55
    -1
    It remains only to neigh with the blacks. We bought a car from which Russia has already got rid. Well, they’ll know who to contact. Of course, there will be hysterical delights right now, but where are we going to tear everyone with our T-90, which is used all over the world, discontinued in the 1987-th T-64. Unless, of course, he gets to the battle altogether. If the T-64 was not only excellent, but at least sane, no T-72 would have appeared.
    1. extankist
      extankist 13 February 2014 12: 00
      +3
      Not just got rid of, but used as targets, although for some reason I am offended, the car on which I "grew up", and in the field, as a training manual for the gunner-operator. Blacks cho, they will buy, though they themselves do not know what, as I understand it, the price was the determining factor. (
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 13 February 2014 16: 19
        0
        Well, a very significant part of the decommissioned equipment goes to the target, but in the end it’s all the same for remelting. USA get out of F-16 targets do.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 13 February 2014 11: 58
    +5
    I am glad for the brothers, Ukrainians, that they are trying to earn currency and keep personnel in tank building. I will say this: "the trouble is the beginning," revive the capacities, they may be useful to drive banderlog to the west!
  • Jkob
    Jkob 13 February 2014 12: 06
    0
    I wonder how 64 will prove itself in combat conditions?
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 13 February 2014 13: 00
      +1
      Well, Moldovans were able to drive in a panic, I think it will not be more difficult with the Papuans ..
  • Zubr
    Zubr 13 February 2014 12: 11
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Here, as they say - without comment ...


    I looked and cried .. laughing
    1. Jager
      Jager 13 February 2014 18: 50
      0
      Reminds of the recent parade of "invincible and all-crushing" Latvian Armed Forces. Where the only tank was given to the Estonians)))

      Questions are caused by the reliability of the T-64 in Africa, moreover, this machine is more difficult to maintain and operate than the T-72.

      But even if the blacks go to blacks (excuse me, Afro-Africans) for nothing, it’s better in any case than they are bluntly cut into metal.
  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 12: 14
    0
    Quote: seller trucks
    greetings to Akim! Do you think that from this trash it will turn out to "modernize" something worthy? Fedosov, in fact, destroyed the enterprise, now he is engaged in ZIM, there is a corrupt component

    As if the cost of a ghost in a combat-ready state did not exceed the purchase price, plus you need to create a system of maintenance and repairs, Something in the numbers of the declared price is hidden stupidity, or simply there is no capacity to get rid of the accumulated machines at bases and arsenals.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 February 2014 16: 21
      0
      It is possible that everything is simpler, the blacks simply did not think about what other service departments. The Indians took the aircraft carrier from us in such a way that "it will do it anyway", and then over and over again for alteration. Although everything was done as ordered. It's not our fault that not enough has been ordered.
  • Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 13 February 2014 12: 23
    +3
    Well done, Ukrainians! Junk must be discarded from warehouses!
  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 12: 28
    0
    And to put it bluntly, the T-80UD, T-84, "Oplot", these are all derivatives of the T-64A, T-64B and so on, that is, the Thais seem to buy something new - I mean "Oplot", and negroes buy what "God forbid, what is not good for us," that is, what is obviously old in the literal sense. We are old about everything, by means of communication and control, by OMS, by chassis and transmission. You can rejoice only one thing, that by trading with the natives "beads", you have done yourself a pleasure. But they did not modernize production based on some new requirements in the TK by the customer based on the trends of scientific and technological progress. Emptiness. Metal transportation.
    1. Jager
      Jager 13 February 2014 18: 56
      +1
      This "metal" in the absence of sensible anti-tank equipment (and a theater of operations implies the absence of such) will reel on the tracks of any enemy. A 125-mm gun, no matter how imperfect its SLA is, will blow any target to shreds, if it is not a fortified bunker or a modern tank.
  • TELEMARK
    TELEMARK 13 February 2014 12: 32
    +2
    Good afternoon, this "64" from the small and medium-sized enterprises of the Khabarovsk Territory was flooded in May 2009, they could not get it out for a week, since the tank was the last to leave when the regiment was disbanded! True, if you look closely, you can see that the BREM is also sitting on the right.
    1. extankist
      extankist 13 February 2014 12: 35
      -1
      T-64 in Khabarovsk, come on, you? wassat
      1. TELEMARK
        TELEMARK 13 February 2014 12: 43
        0
        In 2005, each TB received 2 T-64 BV vehicles for that. in order not to waste the motor resource of the T-80 BV, it was assumed that the "insert" and "staff" would pass on them, although this is still in the plans. But to run with hot water when the heaters are not working for starting, we ran!
        1. extankist
          extankist 13 February 2014 12: 58
          +1
          Yes, insanity in the heads of our commanders is not uncommon (
      2. TELEMARK
        TELEMARK 13 February 2014 12: 59
        +6
        In the photo I and the ZKV TB, in the background the T-64BV and the ARV, are our work, although there is nothing to be proud of!
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 13 February 2014 13: 04
          +1
          Quote: TELEMARK
          in the background T-64BV and ARV

          Have fun there ...

          I don’t know the name.
          And what year is the T-64? The moon is just on the left side, a rare car.
          1. extankist
            extankist 13 February 2014 13: 18
            0
            I think that 86-89, if I make a mistake, the car is at an earlier age.
          2. TELEMARK
            TELEMARK 13 February 2014 13: 18
            +1
            Call Anatoly, I don’t know the year of the tank, the mileage is not more than 800 km. In the end, they pulled it out in the following way: they drove a Komatsu tractor weighing 80 tons, a gas-workers tractor, next to it, 2 BMPs were anchored and a BRZM 4 branches pulled itself out with its winch, then the tank.
            1. extankist
              extankist 13 February 2014 13: 31
              +1
              A familiar situation, at the Zavitinsky training center, our 80-piece "dived" into the swamp, the regiment commander decided to help the farmer and gave the command to the tank to climb into the swamp. She rode there at speed, and sat back on the bottom, put a log, she dragged it, dug everything out from under her and already on the shelves. It was far to the road, they drove one BPS in half, drowned, another BPS kept it from the road, and 80. like this, little by little in two days, the evacuation was successful)
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 13 February 2014 13: 43
                +2
                Quote: TELEMARK
                2 steel BMP anchor and BRZM with its winch 4 branches pulled itself, then the tank.

                Quote: extankist
                drove one BTS in half, drowned, another BTS kept it off the road, and 80. and so little by little in two days, the evacuation was successful)

                Well, yes, everything is as usual ...
                Boring everyday life of the Army. Itch.
                yes
          3. Alekseev
            Alekseev 13 February 2014 22: 12
            0
            Quote: Aleks tv
            And what year is the T-64? The moon is just on the left side, a rare car.

            They all have it, not like on the t-72. yes
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 February 2014 13: 39
      +5
      I saw a similar stuyevina at one state farm, the tractor broke down, so the chairman asked the tank for a flask of sour cream in the neighboring part, I pressed the silo to the pit ... well, I pressed the mech.water-Uzbek until I drowned .... laughing for the second flask the second tank drove. pull out the first .... laughing
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2014 16: 36
        +1
        Quote: TELEMARK
        flooded in May 2009, could not pull out a week


        Vm 93 During the first Georgian Abkhaz 64 our company was bogged down.

        Two more motor scooters were harnessed by the train and could not extend the tracks. He approached 72 Batumi and one pulled her out.
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  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 13 February 2014 12: 34
    +1
    Yeah, local warriors frolic for glory!




    With this result ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 13 February 2014 13: 29
      +2
      Yesterday I heard the news that in Nigeria they closed a restaurant where they served humanity. One pastor ate, and was indignant at what they brought a big bill to, and he supposedly tasted a specific goulash, and that’s why this bill was. In the menu, for example, a baked human head was offered.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 13 February 2014 13: 48
        +3
        Quote: tomket
        Yesterday I heard the news that in Nigeria they closed a restaurant where they served humanity. One pastor ate, and was indignant at what they brought a big bill to, and he supposedly tasted a specific goulash, and that’s why this bill was. In the menu, for example, a baked human head was offered.

        Reading about Africa, I remember the great words of KI Chukovsky "Do not go children to Africa for a walk!" It seems that there should be ordinary people (as scientists and champions of universal equality say), but look at their deeds ... to cut out ALL villagers ... to rape all women, regardless of age ... to kill children ... I have no language turns to call such people Homo sapiens ... Absolute irreconcilability tied to the religious factor at the animal level. The richest land, in truth the storehouse of the planet, unlike Siberia, is more accessible by natural conditions, but at the same time terrible poverty, an absolute unwillingness to improve something and live like a human being ...
        See what's going on in Nigeria, where free oil has improved living conditions. Uncontrolled breeding, the population grew from 74 million in 1980. up to 174 million in 2013 and forecast for 2030 in 211 million. At the same time, half are Christians, and the second half are Muslims ...
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2014 17: 26
        +6
        Quote: tomket
        Yesterday I heard the news that in Nigeria they closed a restaurant where they served humanity. One pastor ate, and was indignant at what they brought a big bill to, and he supposedly tasted a specific goulash, and that’s why this bill was. In the menu, for example, a baked human head was offered.


        Papuan Pauasu friend, companion and feed.
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 February 2014 18: 15
          +4
          Quote: vorobey
          Papuan Pauasu friend, companion and feed.

          -If a friend is suddenly
          -And not a friend and not an enemy, but .... (to taste).
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  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 13: 02
    0
    Quote: TELEMARK
    In the photo I and the ZKV TB, in the background the T-64BV and the ARV, are our work, although there is nothing to be proud of!

    I see the pulley is unfolded)
    1. TELEMARK
      TELEMARK 13 February 2014 13: 32
      +2
      Another angle
  • Jkob
    Jkob 13 February 2014 13: 34
    0
    In Africa, any tank is the highest achievement of civilization.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 13 February 2014 13: 42
    +3
    One hundred percent lobbying contract. Someone involved all the connections all the authority that Congo would get tanks ... Akim admit it is your job laughing

  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 13: 48
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: TELEMARK
    2 steel BMP anchor and BRZM with its winch 4 branches pulled itself, then the tank.

    Quote: extankist
    drove one BTS in half, drowned, another BTS kept it off the road, and 80. and so little by little in two days, the evacuation was successful)

    Well, yes, everything is as usual ...
    Boring everyday life of the Army. Itch.
    yes

    How many such days were, not counted, they would say, come on again, and I would go the same way. drinks
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 February 2014 13: 55
      +2
      Quote: extankist
      they would say, come on again, and I would go the same way.

      Duc and kudy from her then that ...
      recourse
      Eheh.
      That’s why we’ll hit the mursals here this radish is nostalgia.
      drinks
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 13 February 2014 14: 02
        +4
        Comrade tankers, do you have any smoking? laughing
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 13 February 2014 14: 29
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          Comrade tankers, do you have any smoking?

          There is Sanya, there is.
          And not just a smoke.
          Come on in, settle down ...
          fellow
  • Akim
    Akim 13 February 2014 14: 11
    +4
    Now in Thailand, joint exercises Cobra Gold. Our specialists, hastily collect the brought tanks to show them at the end of maneuvers.
    1. extankist
      extankist 13 February 2014 14: 34
      0
      I watched the unloading "video", here it is , when exiting the hold, both machines shown in the "video" were operating at increased speeds, or pumping out of the gearbox (implemented at Oplot?), or is the engine temperature already higher than the operating temperature?
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 February 2014 16: 03
        0
        Quote: extankist
        or already an increase in engine temperature in excess of operational?

        So they will show in statics.
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 February 2014 16: 16
          +1

          By the way, the experience of operating "sixty-fours" by the Uzbek army, including, according to some sources, combat use in Tajikistan, testifies that Kharkov tanks do well in high temperatures, and therefore the Congolese should not have any problems.


          http://warfiles.ru/show-48364-harkovskiy-proryv-t-64-v-afriku-kommentarii-voenny
          h-ekspertov.html
  • Evkur
    Evkur 13 February 2014 14: 34
    0
    among African leaders, tanks are akin to pussy - and those who measure more are! there may be no shells to the tank, but it is there and produces an awesome view of the population!
  • extankist
    extankist 13 February 2014 14: 35
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: Alex 241
    Comrade tankers, do you have any smoking?

    There is Sanya, there is.
    And not just a smoke.
    Come on in, settle down ...
    fellow

    I sit - I drink tea, and you sit next to ... smoke)
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 13 February 2014 14: 35
    +2
    Pay attention to the "astronomical" salaries at the enterprise ... and this after the increase is a reason for pride ...
  • sapran
    sapran 13 February 2014 15: 13
    +1
    So many people in the favorite topic of pr tanks! --it's nice!!!
    1. Disposal of the tank is very expensive for the state and it is not a question of non-ferrous metals, and so on, the work associated with cutting the armor and its further re-melting here is a solid minus.
    at one time they tried to dispose of the T-72, they burned themselves, then they simply torn the hulls or put them down on the gateways (after giving the order they tried to return from Russia — the bastard did not !!!)
    2. Principle is not news, but this is the second coming of the T-64BV1 to the African contingent
    3. The customer was offered various options for modernizing the T-64 (up to a new MTO with 6TD, DZ "knife"), but the customer does not have the required amount of "penes", soon there will be another news (they still decide on what "penes" to spend) ... This modification is really one of the cheapest (in fact, overhaul and that's all), but I think you can shoot against the Chinese and DPRK copies of the T-54-T62.
    4 .... it is indisputable that the T-72 and the best T-55MV would have been just in place (but on the move and in a marketable form, you already have to look), and if you need tanks "for yesterday" then here is the T-64 to the yard ...
    5. Coolant operating temperature for T-80UD (Pakistan) 115 * short-term permissible 125 *
    (the time is a bit different, the design and the air purification cycle have been altered, the cylinder liners are different material, the drive mechanism of the supercharger turbine is different, the engine starting system is different ("foolproof" just against T-34 lovers) and Yes, everyone knows and the most important thing is filled in Coolant with a "three-component additive" but not in words and BG 95%, respectively, in contrast to 75% local production.
    That's how it is
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 13 February 2014 15: 54
      0
      1. Disposal of the tank is very expensive for the state and it is not a question of non-ferrous metals, and so on, the work associated with cutting the armor and its further re-melting here is a solid minus. I do not agree with a colleague! It was possible to observe how the GDR had disposed of the T-62, only the sparks flew and did it with great joy.
      1. sapran
        sapran 13 February 2014 15: 56
        +1
        If you imagine what the "Bronka" includes on the T-64 and what is its difference with the Bronka of the same T-62, then you will have no questions :) soldier
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 February 2014 15: 58
          +2
          Quote: sapran
          T-64 and what is its difference with Bronka of the same T-62

          So there, in principle, the difference is only VLD and the forehead of the tower.
          1. sapran
            sapran 13 February 2014 16: 01
            +1
            laughing That’s all the difference, but you just have to cut it and then take the alloying component to marten in martin and burn it out and do you need a half-smoked recycled for crazy grandmas?
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 February 2014 16: 03
              +1
              Quote: sapran
              it is necessary to carve then in martin to take alloy in martin

              And what prevents to bring the tank to the open-hearth? I personally saw how on the T-72 railway platforms they stood on the access roads to Zaporostal.
              1. sapran
                sapran 13 February 2014 16: 08
                +1
                Yes, the fact that only cutting the box will take gas, time and effort more than metal will cost.
                More or less, you can go to 0 by melting old tanks and you need to have a blast furnace that needs to be constantly fed and maintained (that is, you need to melt several hundred tank corps cut to a certain size) It’s easier to sink ...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 13 February 2014 16: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: sapran
                  It’s easier to drown ...

                  So maybe they will begin to give what they wish? I can agree on their Kharkov by samovyz.

                  Quote: sapran
                  A blast furnace that is constantly fed and held (

                  But is this a problem? For Ukraine? Now factories even lack scrap metal.
                  1. sapran
                    sapran 13 February 2014 16: 23
                    0
                    You will not believe !!! I would take it myself on a demobilization (and tries that severance pay) But they clamped am
                    and I would have it stood in the courtyard (on the cottage) ... the interior ... crying repeat
                2. Andrew 447
                  Andrew 447 13 February 2014 16: 18
                  +2
                  Hire Tajiks with "Bulgarians" smile they will cut you everything and you will be very surprised at their results. Yes, there are only a ton of colors in the tank. In this way you will increase the employment of the population if you yourself are without Tajiks.
        2. Andrew 447
          Andrew 447 13 February 2014 16: 13
          0
          If we are talking about the armor of T-62 and T-64 (vol. 434), then these are alloyed steel of several different grades, I think the exact recipe is not for me, you are not known, I remember that the formula is very long. This is time. You mean the problem with the removal of ceramic elements between the armor plates of the T-64A gun mask?
          1. sapran
            sapran 13 February 2014 16: 18
            +1
            In the USSR, there were only 2 universities (and a faculty) in which engineers were trained for tank forces. So how much and where else in my memory ... I do not confuse (even if I strain, I can remember the "fillers" from years and series) winked repeat
            1. Andrew 447
              Andrew 447 13 February 2014 16: 25
              0
              Do not be offended, but you are not the chief technologist of a large steel mill and cannot give a qualified answer on the issues of remelting scrap steel alloys.
            2. Andrew 447
              Andrew 447 13 February 2014 16: 29
              0
              Do you mean Omsk and Kiev? You don’t know about the faculty, enlighten?
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 February 2014 22: 38
        0
        Quote: Andrey 447
        It was possible to observe how the GDR had disposed of the T-62, only sparks flew

        But the tracks from the T-64 were too tough for them, it seems, because they flatly refused to take it! But they took a piece of the gun barrel with great joy, they even gave a "present" in the form of a gun)))
  • Leshka
    Leshka 13 February 2014 16: 46
    0
    sorry for someone but not myself
  • Watchman
    Watchman 13 February 2014 18: 46
    0
    Since when is the T-64 superior to the T-72 in terms of firepower, security and mobility?
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 February 2014 18: 58
      +2
      Quote: Watchman
      since when did the T-64 surpass the T-72 in terms of firepower, security and mobility?

      Began. STOP!!! stop
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 February 2014 19: 06
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Began. STOP!!!

        Strongly support Kim !!!
        drinks

        At what age on one topic has so much Mazut gathered and the Servicemen.
        So good gutarim.

        Tankosrach civilian - to hell ... at least, damn it, unscrew on this topic, and ???
        stop
        1. Watchman
          Watchman 15 February 2014 18: 10
          0
          Not a tank srach, but a misunderstanding! Why, having a T-72, buy a different, but similar machine? Serving 2 types of tanks is more difficult than one.
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 February 2014 18: 51
            0
            Quote: Watchman
            Why, having a T-72, buy a different, but similar machine?

            The DRC has only T-55 and T-59.
            1. Watchman
              Watchman 15 February 2014 21: 08
              0
              The beginning of the article talks about the supply of 100 T-72 to the DRC.
              1. Akim
                Akim 16 February 2014 00: 54
                0
                Quote: Watchman
                About deliveries of 100 T-72 to the DRC.

                It is possible, but in the photo there is a tank with the Angolan flag. Indeed, Ukraine then sold T-72AV tanks, but most of them were in South Sudan, where they met with Sudan Type 96A tanks. With regards to the DRC, according to various sources, there were from 10-20 T-72 tanks that were transferred to Angola, the troops that are really deployed in Kinshasa.
                1. Watchman
                  Watchman 16 February 2014 03: 28
                  0
                  It would be more logical to continue to purchase T-72, rather than a more complex T-64. And even if the T-64, then for the conditions of the civil war it would be more rational to take the T-64E, because the 23mm gun is a powerful argument against the rebels in the forests and at heights.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 16 February 2014 07: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Watchman
                    It would be more logical to continue to purchase T-72, rather than a more complex T-64.

                    This remark is not to me, but to their command. I also think that the T-72 is enough for them. Managed to push these - good luck to them.
  • s1н7т
    s1н7т 13 February 2014 23: 07
    +5
    On a non-fastidious eye, there is no particular difference between 64, 72, 80. The first two were operated in a "sharply continental climate" (2 were with side mirrors, then I did not see such), the first and third - in the GSVG. Well, 72TDF required heating, I remember. And that's all. All performed their tasks in the same way. All other things being equal, the 5's security was enhanced by its low silhouette - probably the most compact of its generation. All cars were good, provided they were properly used. And each had its own shortcomings, too. I've noticed that there was a certain distribution of types according to the theater: for example, 64 - more in cold conditions, 80 - a mild temperate climate, 64 - more to the sands. But this is so, in particular, in a specific period of time. In general, at one time this trinity was the most advanced in the world. Once Americans came to us on Heidehof, where 72s from the 80th Army (8th Rechitsa Guards TP) were shooting, they asked - the officers are probably shooting? No, regular crews. They didn't believe it. laughing And when the guests were loaded onto the buses, 64 32 Guards TDs rushed past - like crazy people, mud in all directions, all the guests and the bus "flow around". That's for sure - regular crews, they say laughing So "you just have to know how to cook them" (C). Greetings to all armored ones! drinks
    1. extankist
      extankist 14 February 2014 10: 34
      +1
      Heidekhof was not, but familiar with the Templins training ground, Altengrabov (AUC) and Magdebursky (ISC). Regarding the T-64 and T-80, after the first, the second is just a fairy tale)
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 14 February 2014 14: 44
      0
      Quote: c1n7
      At a fastidious glance, there is not much difference between 64, 72, 80.

      Words are not a boy, but a husband! good
      But there isn’t much difference in the tasks that these machines have to solve as MBT in the tactics of their use.
      If we take both production and those. ensuring then "two big differences". Especially in the price! wassat
  • Glaz8000
    Glaz8000 14 February 2014 06: 03
    +1
    Gentlemen, please enlighten. I thought that the T-64 was a very suitable tank for its time. And as far as I know, Ukraine had quite serious options for its modernization (if you believe the photo and those prospectuses that I read).
    That is, if modernization standards are used and modern ammunition is used, then it will turn out to be quite good obt, especially for any niggas in Africa. Or am I wrong?
    1. Akim
      Akim 14 February 2014 07: 14
      0
      Quote: Glaz8000
      Or am I wrong?

      Right. The only thing that limits the limits of the modernization of the T-64 family is the suspension (you cannot install a more powerful 125 / L50 gun and maximize protection). In general, any modernization makes sense and profitability in the amount of 1/3 of a new tank. The Romanians with their "Bizon" and the Turks with the "Sabra" went beyond these limits.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 14 February 2014 07: 26
        0
        Quote: Akim
        and the T-64 is the chassis

        and not only(((
        the main problem of the T-64 is the microscopic booked volume and "attachment" to the 2-stroke 5TDF engine (the 4-stroke V-ku simply cannot be supplied) (((
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 February 2014 07: 40
          +1
          Quote: cosmos111
          the main problem of the T-64 is the microscopic booked volume and "attachment" to the 2-stroke 5TDF engine (4-stroke V-ku simply cannot be supplied)

          5TDF has been changing for a long time. There are no problems with the engine. The only drawbacks of the two-stroke are smoke and noise. Additional armor is placed outside, so the volume is not affected. On the contrary. When the "Cobra" is changed to "Combat" or "Reflex", a little more volume appears. But that doesn't mean better protection, but rather better ergonomics.
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  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 14 February 2014 11: 14
    0
    Quote: extankist
    And to put it bluntly, the T-80UD, T-84, "Oplot", these are all derivatives of the T-64A, T-64B and so on, that is, the Thais seem to buy something new - I mean "Oplot", and negroes buy what "God forbid, what is not good for us," that is, what is obviously old in the literal sense. We are old about everything, by means of communication and control, by OMS, by chassis and transmission. You can rejoice only one thing, that by trading with the natives "beads", you have done yourself a pleasure. But they did not modernize production based on some new requirements in the TK by the customer based on the trends of scientific and technological progress. Emptiness. Metal transportation.


    It seems good that the DRC could afford to buy these tanks, given the current state of economic development and the army. (If they had the opportunity, they would have acquired - Oploty, Bulat or T - 90), but this is enough for the country with their "neighbors"! Under the best conditions, they can always Upgrade the technique - Everything else Lyrics !!!!!!
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 15 February 2014 15: 56
    0
    Quote: Alekseev
    Quote: Glaz8000
    it turns out quite good obt, especially for all sorts of nigers in Africa. Or am I wrong?

    Here the problem is somewhat different.
    In my subjective opinion, of course, "all sorts of nigras" do not need modern ammunition at all, but simplicity and reliability. And a low price.
    Simplicity, in this case, no. No.
    Reliability of the power plant is a problem. There are engines, as they say, not whimsical, but here, on the contrary, quite whimsical.
    Yes, the age of these machines is great ... Although they will be prepared at 115 plants, but in Soviet times, its products (tanks after major repairs) were significantly inferior in quality to the new machines manufactured by them. Malysheva.
    But there is a low price. And it's better to buy 10 satisfactory MBTs than one super reliable one. So, the flag "every nigram" in hand.

    But I’m sure that if they buy only tanks, albeit with illustrated instructions, they don’t worry about those. provision and training of personnel, then a pile of scrap metal they will soon be provided.