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Baltic insanity: three years in prison for "denying the Soviet occupation of Latvia"

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Only one reading is left to go through the bill “on the denial of the Soviet and Nazi occupation” in the Latvian Sejm, so that this bill would actually become a full-fledged legally significant document - a new Latvian dogma. Gentlemen from the Latvian Ministry of Justice introduced the bill for consideration to parliament at the time, who decided not only to secure the term “occupation” for the Soviet period of the republic’s development, in fact identifying it with the Nazi occupation of the republic, but also intimidating those who consider that “Soviet occupation” is nonsense, invented by the puppet leaders of Latvia of a new formation.


Baltic insanity: three years in prison for "denying the Soviet occupation of Latvia"


Latvian citizens (and, of course, “non-citizens” too) if the bill acquires the format of a full-fledged law, for denying the Soviet “occupation” of Latvia faces up to 3 years of imprisonment or forced labor with very impressive fines. In other words, the Latvian authorities continue to crawl out of their skin, engaging in battles with windmills, with the goal of convincing Latvia and the entire population of the republic of their independence of Latvia, trampling an entire era, cracking down on the memory of those who have invested for decades their work in the development of this territory. Such dirty games with your own history usually do not end in the most positive way for the players themselves ...

An interesting option is the name of the bill: the denial of the Soviet and Nazi occupation. Tricky move. Like, nothing reprehensible - to all the sisters (and "advice" and the Nazis) on earrings; Latvia maintains its self-identity, and therefore, any outside intervention considers an encroachment on “freedom and independence” ...

Come on! Once it is hard to believe that after the adoption of the draft law, Latvian law enforcement officers will detain veterans of the Latvian SS units and their supporters from among the “new Latvians” (including representatives of the authorities of the republic) for participating in the next brown march and send them for three years to the Latvian colonies ... But for some reason it is much more believed that the same law enforcement officers will have the opportunity to settle bills with the Soviet veterans and those residents of the republic (and Latvians too) who are collected annually from the Monumers Comrade Victory to commemorate the Soviet soldiers (including fellow soldiers), who gave their lives for the liberation of Latvia from fascism and Nazism. Apparently, those who did not want to free themselves from Nazism, and those who glorify Nazism today see their political platform, are not satisfied with the state of things - need a “revenge”, you need to pay attention to yourself, you need to strike another blow to the Russians . And writing such bills is an option.

By the way, today some supporters of the adoption of the mentioned law in Latvia are trying to “clarify” that, they say, the word “occupation” in this context does not need to be understood as it is understood by Russian-speaking people. They say that this term is characterized not only by an extremely sharp meaning, but also by something more “politically correct”, from the category “occupation of the territory” and even “temporary use”. Yes, only these linguistic "explanations" of the authors of the bill themselves are given out with giblets. Well, is it possible in Latvia to be able to judge a person for the fact that he “denies” the Soviet “temporary use” of the Latvian territory ... It’s even difficult to imagine a person who suddenly comes out with a poster “I deny Latvia’s temporary use ...” (even in Latvian, in Russian). Amazing nonsense!

And if the main ideologue of adopting a bill is using the term “occupation” (not in the context that is characteristic of the Russian version), then it turns out that the Latvian Ministry of Justice concocts its laws also in “great and powerful” English ... It concocts itself or and with clues? ..

After the appearance of information about the Latvian “initiative”, which is being pushed through the Sejm, in the news agency tapes, many politicians and political scientists expressed their opinion about this initiative not only in Latvia, but also in Russia. One of the most expressive offers was noted by LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky. According to Zhirinovsky, for trying to equate the Soviet period of development with the Nazi occupation, Latvia must be punished by withdrawing the Russian ambassador from Riga, turning off trade and economic contacts.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky:

They are completely crazy. It turns out that we occupied them from 1940 to 1991 year. It's disgusting. We saved from fascism and them, and the whole of Europe. We will demand the recall of our ambassador for consultations and for taking measures to prevent the Saeima from adopting this law.


This is not just a law by which someone can really be convicted of denying occupation. There is a deliberate policy of squeezing Russian. They are there in the most deplorable situation. And again the West is silent. He protects all minorities, sexual minorities around the world, and Russians are not interested in the West. Davi, the souls of the Russians, they will still clap.


Certainly, the Latvian authorities for their excessive zeal in terms of settling accounts with history, with another blow to the Russian population and those Latvians who are simply not ready to equate the Soviet period with the occupation, should be punished at the international level. But it is believed that for this, even the ambassador's response is not required. In order to understand what game the short-sighted Latvian parliamentarians and government members decided to play, it’s enough at least once with their own eyes (or at least on the TV screen) to see people coming to the monument to Soviet soldiers-liberators in Riga. These are hundreds of thousands of inhabitants of Latvia who literally strew the monument with fresh flowers. Last year almost half of Riga came to this 8-9 monument in May! Guided by the logic of Mr. Janis Bordans, who once “developed” the bill in the Ministry of Justice of Latvia (he also came up with the option of transferring the said monument “to hell”), all these people already by the very fact of laying flowers on the Soviet “occupation” ...

Interestingly, in this case, are going to take the people who today are with two hands in favor of the adoption of a uniquely provocative bill? How many avtozakov will they fit to the monument to deliver the assembled 200-300 thousands of people to the detention facilities? And how many insulators will be necessary for these needs, forgive, to come across all over Latvia? Maybe the official Riga is already asking for a loan from Brussels for the construction of the SIZO buildings (or whatever it is called in Latvia) ... Or Latvian policemen will walk between the people who will invest in the pockets of each receipt for paying the fine? .. Everyone will rush pay ... There is a large share of the likelihood that receipts with fines will decorate the spontaneous museum of the political and-and-and-of-and-s of Latvia, along with portraits of those who voted for this bill.

But the same Bordans and his associates, apparently, do not fully understand that they themselves already now, “for nothing”, deny the Soviet “occupation”. Well, how can ... They use the legacy of “hated Soviet invaders” - buildings of hospitals, educational institutions, housing estates that Soviet “occupiers” have erected for Latvians in the “occupied” territories, go to the supermarkets under which the buildings of the former “occupying” factories were refurbished, built for the "occupied" ... So, most of Bordans himself will have to send three years into places not so remote, for he is already at the household level engaged in "denial" ... By the way, Russia can help here - for money Latvian taxpayers will provide free bunks somewhere more ... Let the person think THAT for crazy stuff he decided to brew in a country that by its very existence owes itself to the very Soviet "occupiers" and which the "partners" from the West through they gave their "fraternal" credits ... And the USSR gave Riga money for free ... He called his showcase ... Yes, normal Latvians know it well and appreciate it themselves. Well, such as Bordans, apparently, only a lobotomy will calm.

PS We offer a selection of photographs showing some objects erected by the Soviet "occupiers" in Latvia.











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  1. Hs487
    Hs487 13 February 2014 08: 38
    +41
    It is necessary to introduce criminal liability in Russia for the recognition as "occupation" of the period when the Baltic republics were part of the USSR.
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 February 2014 08: 43
      -41%
      That is, Lithuania did not voluntarily become part of the USSR? Or with joyful screams entered the USSR? Why did you leave then? Why doesn’t join the CU and CSTO?
      1. the polar
        the polar 13 February 2014 11: 19
        +14
        Quote: Civil
        That is, Lithuania did not voluntarily become part of the USSR? Or with joyful screams entered the USSR? Why did you leave then? Why doesn’t join the CU and CSTO?

        Article about Latvia, not about Lithuania
        1. 120352
          120352 13 February 2014 13: 29
          +11
          Polar! I have never met a civil globe in my life. No luck man. Better sympathize with the destitute.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 13 February 2014 15: 38
            +21
            Quote: 120352
            Polar! I have never met a civil globe in my life.

            Plant for three years for denying the globe.
            1. rolik
              rolik 13 February 2014 17: 14
              +14
              Quote: Setrac
              Imprison for three years for denying the globe

              It’s cruel)))) Maybe we’ll better take off and give him, on his birthday, a Latvian globe. So to speak, for better assimilation of geography))))))
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              2. Hon
                Hon 14 February 2014 10: 29
                0
                Quote: rolik
                globe of Latvia

                How's that?
        2. Hon
          Hon 14 February 2014 10: 33
          0
          Quote: Polar
          Article about Latvia, not about Lithuania

          Where is it?
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      2. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 13 February 2014 15: 43
        +20
        Why doesn’t join the CU and CSTO?


        The Baltic states always fall under those who are stronger. The union is gone, they hang out with the gay men. It’s worth swaying to the states, jumping into our bed. Pribludy in one word. And that was, is and will be.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 15: 50
          +14
          Quote: Sh.O.K.
          . And it was, is and will be.

          The fate of all "button countries" is to be sewn onto the "uniforms" of great countries.
        2. edge
          edge 14 February 2014 05: 29
          +3
          Quote: Sh.O.K.
          Balts always fall under those who are stronger

          next time they need to be eliminated as an ethno-territorial unit ....- let there be an enlarged Baltic region drinks
      3. zennon
        zennon 13 February 2014 21: 27
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        That is, Lithuania did not voluntarily become part of the USSR? Or with joyful screams entered the USSR?

        1940th, summer. Demonstration of local residents. "Long live the father of the working people of the whole world, JV Stalin!"
    2. Alez
      Alez 13 February 2014 08: 49
      +77
      It is necessary to introduce economic sanctions against Latvia, to ban the import of any products from Latvia. To declare all lawmakers and deputies who voted for this law - Nazi accomplices and denunciators of history. Deny them entry into the territory of Russia and the Customs Union, seize their accounts and property.
      1. rodiy2007
        rodiy2007 13 February 2014 10: 01
        +12
        Tough - but fair!
        1. bif
          bif 13 February 2014 18: 08
          +8
          Quote: rodiy2007
          Tough - but fair!

          It would be harsh to declare Latvia a fascist state, where violations of international law flourish, where Nazism is cultivated by the government, where the rights of the Russian-speaking population are violated, up to repression, and so on. After that, in the best Western traditions, thoroughly "de-democratize" ... That would be tough. And to bankrupt and ruin with the help of economic sanctions is very easy!
      2. goland72
        goland72 13 February 2014 10: 24
        +35
        Our lawyers will not soon be swinging. I suggest starting with myself. I have long been a principle of not buying their agricultural products. And also I suggest not to go to them for tourist purposes.
        1. the polar
          the polar 13 February 2014 11: 25
          +5
          Quote: goland72
          Our lawyers will not soon be swinging. I suggest starting with myself. I have long been a principle of not buying their agricultural products. And also I suggest not to go to them for tourist purposes.

          Your private protest will not affect anything. The reaction of the Russian government is important - if it does not respond with harsh political measures, but gets off with inarticulate mumble and antics of the clown Zhirinovsky, then this can be legally interpreted as an informal recognition of the fact of the occupation.
          Given the liberal deflection of the vertical pillar of the Russian government, most likely it will react in this way.
          1. Niki
            Niki 13 February 2014 12: 43
            +24
            Is Jurmala there? That's not figs there to carry out all sorts of different cultural events, with the accompanying infusion of money. Taking into account the "quasi-scale" of Latvia, every rejection of commercial entertainment projects on their territory will be a very serious lesson.

            P.S. But the trick is that law promoters in Latvia are virtually independent of everything that happens there - they just personally work temporarily there, and then they go to their home, which have long been in other places
            1. 120352
              120352 13 February 2014 13: 40
              +5
              Why do we need Jurmala with its cold sea? We now have nowhere to go to Sochi! But they should not be allowed into Sochi.
              1. edge
                edge 14 February 2014 05: 33
                0
                Quote: 120352
                Why do we need Jurmala with its cold sea? We now have nowhere to go to Sochi

                And Sochi, this is a big Turkish bummer-enough of our money to stick stuck. Still use the Abkhaz coast to develop ......
            2. alin12
              alin12 13 February 2014 14: 30
              +5
              I myself am from Jurmala and I know for sure that a lot was bought by Russians. After Latvia began to give a residence permit.
            3. rolik
              rolik 13 February 2014 17: 16
              +8
              Quote: Niki
              Jurmala there?

              Jurmala, move to Sochi. The infrastructure is ready to receive)))
            4. Namejs
              Namejs 16 February 2014 20: 21
              0
              Yes, the ability to pay capable Russians every year all willing to go exactly to Latvia. Obviously few people split your point of view ...
              And the Latvian production (from which you know only sprats) weights are willingly redeemed ..

              In Latvia, many say that it is necessary to boycott Russian goods, but the fact is that I don’t know any goods from Russia that are imported, except for books and hygiene products ....

              Quote: Niki
              .WITH. But the trick is that law promoters in Latvia are virtually independent of everything that happens there - they just personally work temporarily there, and then they go to their home, which have long been in other places

              Are you talking about Russian officials?
              1. comprochikos
                comprochikos 17 February 2014 12: 29
                0
                Sprats, by the way, are shitty.
          2. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 13 February 2014 13: 26
            +22
            Quote: Polar
            Your private protest will not affect anything.

            It will affect. And how! If you take it all together. Take Ukraine as an example, where in the east they began to promote a campaign to refuse to buy products from western (pro-Nazi) regions. And the screech of banderlogs has already begun to rise. good
            Podopoleka: the money raised from the east is used to finance Nazis and collaborators, and allowances are paid to the veterans of the UPA and SS "Galychina". am
            A screech began from there, like, the east - not the patriots of Ukraine, they do not support the domestic manufacturer and the manufacturer will bear this loss. crying
            This is just the beginning, but ... If together!
            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/512/fexi297.jpg
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 13 February 2014 15: 39
            +6
            Quote: Polar
            Your private protest will not affect anything.

            It is even influenced by the choice in favor of one's own and this should be promoted.
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      5. bif
        bif 13 February 2014 11: 30
        +19
        I agree, only the Full embargo, and condemn politicians according to the laws of the Russian Federation, which were recently adopted on the distortion of history and give the maximum speed. Arrest of property and investments in the territory of the Russian Federation. To live with wolves - howl at wolf
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 13 February 2014 12: 10
          +11
          I agree, only the Full embargo, and condemn politicians according to the laws of the Russian Federation, which were recently adopted on the distortion of history and give the maximum speed. Arrest of property and investments in the territory of the Russian Federation. To live with wolves - howl at wolf
          By the way, to tickle our "cultural" get-together that holds all sorts of outdoor festivals there. The Dozhd TV channel is an example of this.
          1. PPL
            PPL 13 February 2014 13: 58
            +5
            abrakadabre
            By the way, to tickle our "cultural" get-together that holds all sorts of outdoor festivals there.

            This party, even if "rain" in the eyes - all God's dew!
            These admit anything, if only they gave the opportunity to cut the dough. What kind of partiotism can we talk about with them? They "suffer" only when they are not called.
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 13 February 2014 13: 18
          -7
          Quote: bif
          I agree, only the Full embargo,

          And to whom does your embargo hit you first of all? Kek will present what is happening to the Western media that they will blow into the ears of ordinary Latvians? No need to smack nonsense, or do you want the Americans to become like the whole world hates?
          1. Moore
            Moore 13 February 2014 13: 37
            +8
            Who will hit? It’ll hit everyone, of course.
            But a complete embargo is absolutely unnecessary for this. There is no need to uncover epidemiological surveillance, there is no need to invent a reason for the ban on the "Dzintars" toilet water. It is enough to turn off the Jurmala entertainment programs, where all our glamorous animals and their sympathizers come. A decent-sized hole in the budget is guaranteed.
            You can think of reasons for curtailing as much as you want, so that all sorts of European Commissioners do not squeal about settling accounts. So Medinsky would have thought ...
            For some reason, it seems that the president there, Berzins, will not sign this scum. In addition to him, the only one of those places, he will arrive at the Olympics.
          2. 120352
            120352 13 February 2014 13: 44
            +2
            This embargo will not strike us. We will not notice him. As for the pro-Western media fed by the United States and Americans, let them answer first for Syria. And for much more!
          3. screw cutter
            screw cutter 13 February 2014 17: 20
            0
            Quote: shuhartred
            Quote: bif
            I agree, only the Full embargo,

            And to whom does your embargo hit you first of all? Kek will present what is happening to the Western media that they will blow into the ears of ordinary Latvians? No need to smack nonsense, or do you want the Americans to become like the whole world hates?

            Do you think ordinary Latvians are not blown on? They are blamed on Russia. Russia is to blame for all the troubles of Latvians, and especially Russians. The brain is washed, the mother is not distressed, especially the provincials have no cable networks, they are expensive, and the toothless old women are dripping their offspring.
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 14 February 2014 00: 27
              0
              Yes, I know. Only one matter of wine is invented, and sanctions are another. There is no need to lie, here they are your enemies, stranglers of freedom-loving and blah, blah, blah. If people lose their jobs due to the embargo, they will thank us or something.
          4. edge
            edge 14 February 2014 05: 38
            +1
            Quote: shuhartred
            Kek will present what is happening to the Western media that they will blow into the ears of ordinary Latvians? No need to smack nonsense, or do you want the Americans to become like the whole world hates?

            otherwise they love us now, already kiss in a hickey. These guys understand only two extremes — a little carrot, a majority of the whip.
      6. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 13 February 2014 12: 08
        +13
        You can also calculate all the investments during the USSR and the Russian Empire since the accession of the Baltic states. Recalculate at current prices taking into account depreciation and inflation. That same compensation to the families and descendants of all the dead soldiers for the specified period.
        And then announce the ultimatum: payment within a month without appeal. Any assets, down to the earth. In case of non-payment at the indicated time, forcibly recover the debt by any available means, without restrictions.

        They can carry all nonsense and do bad things. Why should we tolerate all this?
        1. DS22
          DS22 13 February 2014 17: 23
          +4
          The idea is not new, although interesting. I heard somewhere in the early 2000s. Thank you for reminding me!
          But seriously, the position of our elite constantly "strains", there is only one chatter, but there were no real actions, and no!
          But there is such a diplomatic measure as "severing diplomatic relations." Withdraw the ambassadors, there are different visas, our campaigns under a plausible pretext to break contracts will become silk.
          Plus, to raise the issue of resuscitation of the Nuremberg Tribunal at the UN .....
      7. Cnbv
        Cnbv 13 February 2014 13: 33
        +1
        100% +++++++ !!!!!!!
      8. Cnbv
        Cnbv 13 February 2014 13: 33
        +1
        100% +++++++ !!!!!!!
      9. 120352
        120352 13 February 2014 13: 34
        +5
        I fully support! And also to turn all immigrants from Latvia to non-citizens, i.e. act symmetrically. To deprive of pensions, state support (medicine, education is paid, to take on a job in the last turn to a position no higher than the suction worker) or - at home, in a native swampy farm. Without the right to return and with the full withdrawal of all accumulated cash and real estate.
        And further. At the time, Peter the Great bought the territory of Latvia for Russia from Sweden for very decent money. Since then, gold has risen in price, and interest has increased. So let them pay us for their freedom under the yoke of the EU. And no delay!
      10. griny07-56
        griny07-56 13 February 2014 16: 17
        +2
        TOTALLY AGREE: We must immediately respond to this meanness and meanness of the Latvian provocateurs1 by imposing sanctions, breaking economic and diplomatic ties with this country that recognizes and encourages fascism. Fascism will not pass. it’s necessary to delete from this memory this rotten country and forget about it forever! Well, how much can you allow any muck to wipe your feet on Russia ??? Gregory is a fourth-generation Petersburger
      11. demel2
        demel2 13 February 2014 16: 42
        +1
        Now, if they arrest the accounts of our thief, who launders the stolen loot in the Baltic, for our so-called elite there will be a railway station.
      12. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 14 February 2014 00: 59
        0
        Quote: Alez
        ban import of any products from Latvia

        It was so recently. I support.
      13. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 14 February 2014 11: 53
        0
        Well, such as Bordans, apparently, only a lobotomy will calm.

        Just do a lobotomy, but a craniotomy, but carelessly!
    3. bairat
      bairat 13 February 2014 08: 53
      +16
      I propose to introduce an article for denying the fact of the occupation of the Kazan Khanate by Ivan the Terrible. And the confiscation of property for disbelief in the Mongol-Tatar yoke. Insanity and a laughing stock is also a way for me to study history. It began with the Jews, they were the first to punish the denial of the Holocaust, and away we go, now every king has a moral right to plant a story convenient for him.
      1. Niki
        Niki 13 February 2014 12: 52
        +2
        Well, about Iga personally, I do not agree: the Yoke of the Golden Horde sounds much more solemn and cooler than some Mongol-Tatars, indefinite in space and time. What kind of creatures are these "Mongol-Tatars" ?!

        But seriously, in fact, inside the Golden Horde, they have probably already gathered to unearth many, many interesting facts that should serve as a historical message to some foundation, a kind of lithosphere plate, under the mighty country of Eurasia from sea to sea and from east to west, and south to north. ps Images from such ancient maps on the Internet are already full, only the names of countries there sound a little unusual.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 13 February 2014 15: 41
          0
          Quote: Niki
          The yoke of the Golden Horde sounds much more solemn and steeper than some Mongol-Tatars undefined in space and time.

          Yes, and whether it was Igom is a moot point.
          From the Old Slavonic "yoke" - a crossbar, connection, unification. That is, the Mongol-Tatar yoke is literally read in modern terms - the Mongol-Tatar union (unification).
          Mongol - from the Mughals - mighty, great.
          Tatars - tartar - a black abyss, which the West mistakenly understands as an underground abyss, but the black abyss is outer space, there is no abyss under the ground.
          Thus, the Mongol-Tatar yoke - literally - the great cosmic union.
          1. Partizan
            Partizan 14 February 2014 00: 28
            0
            homegrown sophistry
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          3. Partizan
            Partizan 14 February 2014 00: 30
            0
            in the same way: the Mongol-Tatar yoke - literally - "big black crossbar"
    4. Deniska999
      Deniska999 13 February 2014 09: 28
      +23
      The Balts are completely fucked up, without the USSR they would have been nobody.
      1. rodiy2007
        rodiy2007 13 February 2014 10: 02
        +28
        however, as now
      2. 120352
        120352 13 February 2014 13: 48
        +4
        So you need to give them this opportunity: to be nobody! Withdraw from the EU for debts to Russia and not enter anywhere. Let the sprat with milk crack.
      3. CIANIT
        CIANIT 13 February 2014 14: 09
        +6
        And they have been nobody all their lives. They did not rise above the German servants.
      4. novobranets
        novobranets 13 February 2014 15: 54
        +5
        Quote: Deniska999
        without the USSR, they would be nobody.

        So they remained nobody. If not for their yapping, who would remember about them.
      5. screw cutter
        screw cutter 13 February 2014 17: 03
        +3
        Quote: Deniska999
        The Balts are completely fucked up, without the USSR they would have been nobody.

        Correct a little, not the USSR, but Russia starting with Peter.
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    7. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 13 February 2014 09: 46
      +10
      Good morning, forum users! Good morning, Dima!

      I wanted to write the same thing, though drinks
      Quote: Hs487
      It is necessary to introduce criminal liability in Russia for the recognition as "occupation" of the period when the Baltic republics were part of the USSR.


      And so, this American-fascist puppet will do everything that our western "partner" told her.
      1. 120352
        120352 13 February 2014 13: 49
        0
        Yes, this is not a partner, but an adversary.
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    9. siberalt
      siberalt 13 February 2014 10: 15
      +17
      You can criminalize the spread of false propaganda about the occupation of the USSR sovereign states.

      Recognize the war 1941-45 gg the planned genocide of the Soviet people.

      And also, to consider the issue of compensation for participation in the genocide of the Soviet people by the Latvian riflemen, Poland, Romania, Germany, Japan and (hereinafter referred to as the list).
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      2. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 13 February 2014 10: 17
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Recognize the war 1941-45 gg the planned genocide of the Soviet people.


        - unfortunately, no one will do this.
      3. Kuvabatake
        Kuvabatake 13 February 2014 10: 53
        0
        Great offer. Not a big correction: Just collect the accrued interest.
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 13 February 2014 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Recognize the war 1941-45 gg the planned genocide of the Soviet people.

        I’ll draw your attention to the fact that it was the Russians who suffered the genocide, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus suffered from the German occupation, other republics and small peoples of the USSR were not subjected to genocide from the Third Reich.
    10. major071
      major071 13 February 2014 10: 30
      +19
      This is called political masturbation. They prohibit Russian TV channels, allow Scandinavian ones to imbue with the "Scandinavian" spirit (well, what about all the Balts, Scandinavians, who would doubt wassat ), now they decided to recognize the occupation of the territory of Latvia by Soviet troops, then they’ll come up with something else. It is necessary to lick an ass of the western owners, and that will not give denyuzhek. fool
      Insanity grew stronger! wassat
    11. AVV
      AVV 13 February 2014 10: 58
      +10
      Quote: Hs487
      It is necessary to introduce criminal liability in Russia for the recognition as "occupation" of the period when the Baltic republics were part of the USSR.

      To introduce Latvian sprats under the ban in Russia, as the Latvians have committed genocide to sprats, to ban all products of the Latvian Meat and Dairy Industry in Russia, not to send goods through Latvian ports !!! Asymmetric answer !!!
      1. KBACYPA
        KBACYPA 13 February 2014 11: 15
        +6
        Yes, most politically savvy Russians (no matter what nationality) have long been letting Baltic products out of their beards. It remains to fill its face, so that Kaliningrad or St. Petersburg sprats are at least as good as Baltic ones in quality. I will not speak about the rest of the products in vain; it does not reach Siberia.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 13 February 2014 21: 09
          -1
          Quote: KBACYPA
          It remains to fill its face, so that Kaliningrad or St. Petersburg sprats are at least as good in quality as Baltic sprats

          A comrade from Kaliningrad said that Kaliningrad enterprises are still using old technologies. In Riga, chemistry.
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 13 February 2014 12: 13
        +3
        To introduce Latvian sprats under the ban in Russia, as the Latvians staged the genocide of sprats,
        Yesterday I just heard on TV that in Europe they want to give up smoked products. And sprats are made from smoked fish.
        Therefore: to require sprats to be subject to international chemical weapons legislation. With all the consequences ...
        wassat
      3. Niki
        Niki 13 February 2014 13: 18
        0
        Yes, in the EU, these measures will be primarily pleased, since they have long been striving to destroy all Latvian production in Latvia - they do not need it, it is not interesting.

        You yourself understand perfectly well, probably, that the primary interest is: "I will frostbite the fish soup to harm my mother." More precisely, to harm Russia, so that she can then heal all these "frostbitten ears" to her children.
    12. jjj
      jjj 13 February 2014 11: 05
      +13
      "Citizens" are leaving the Baltics. It is estimated that a third of the "indigenous" have left these countries. The rest are shrinking. In ten years there will be more Russians there. Already now, Russians need to issue Russian passports. And in ten years the need to protect our citizens may arise. There are laws for this
      1. AVV
        AVV 13 February 2014 20: 04
        +1
        It is necessary to put pressure on all PACE and the OSCE there is no need to pay them money until the Baltic Troika put things in order to ensure that as members of the European Union they comply with the rules for non-citizens, although there should be no citizens by definition !!! Demand that against these Baltic ubl.yudkov imposed sanctions, if not introduced, then for Europe to raise gas prices !!!
    13. Very old
      Very old 13 February 2014 17: 36
      +1
      Dmitry, but for me it’s like to start with homegrown Abgolans and Shenderovichs.

      Our power is overwhelmed with pseudo-tolerance?
      Barking from behind a hillock becomes familiar.
      But so that the fascist scum was yapping in my house?
      "God's chosen" sometimes divide my lands, then OI-2014 with Berlin-36 they confuse ...

      So tell them their favorite "suitcase, station" - the green light, there are no travel restrictions for a long time
    14. de klermon
      de klermon 13 February 2014 22: 06
      0
      Demanding respect from the Latvian politicians towards the Soviet Union is irrational! They, politicians, are the direct heirs of national waffen - SS !!! These are the enemies who Fought AGAINST THE SOVIET UNION, from which we should also expect objectivity, as it should be expected from Goebbels! The occupation of Latvia is not at all what the Russians understand? CORRECTLY!!! The occupation for the Russians is Dachau, burned villages, policemen and punishers, hundreds of thousands of those stolen to work and millions of dead! .. And in Latvia? Billion subsidies, factories and housing for the occupied and ... and much more to cheese like butter, butter butter damned invaders !!! Latvian independence today? Again, this is not at all what the sovereignty of these uneducated Russians understand! Independence for Latvian politicians today is anything, if not with Russia !!!
      PS Let's not argue with the Goebel-like geeks! This is below the dignity of a normal person!
      But let’s not let them get away with it: those who were evaluated in Nuremberg and their last and miscarriages should remember what their ideological inspirers finished! Not the country of Latvia, but its Nazi state deserves the Nuremberg fate of its allies and predecessors!
  2. calocha
    calocha 13 February 2014 08: 41
    +9
    As the American mongre is tired, yapping and yapping! In the east they say, the dogs bark and the caravan goes. But it would not hurt to teach a lesson, it would be true for the people, to ban the import of products and let them eat sprats.
  3. Duke
    Duke 13 February 2014 08: 42
    +8
    Insanity, wild pathological hatred and double standards for Russia in Western countries.
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    2. SibRUS
      SibRUS 13 February 2014 10: 00
      +4
      Yes insanity, but for their politicians this doctrine is the only justification for leaving the USSR. If this policy collapses, there will be no sense in the existence of the Baltic trio. Now they are needed only by the United States, as dogs that bark towards Moscow.
  4. kaktus
    kaktus 13 February 2014 08: 49
    +4
    Yes, insanity grows stronger ... negative
  5. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 February 2014 08: 49
    +14
    He blatted Georgia, and now hints at Putin among the Olympics about a friendly match. The Baltic countries will become a zone of exclusion, because neither we nor Western Europeans need them, it’s a pity only for normal people who are not to blame for all this, especially the Russian-speaking population.
    1. bairat
      bairat 13 February 2014 08: 56
      0
      Quote: ZU-23
      I am sorry only for normal people who are not to blame for all this, especially the Russian-speaking population.

      C'mon, not bad they live there. At least, nobody is especially eager to get home from there, on the contrary, they move there.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 13 February 2014 08: 59
        +6
        They move not there, but like in Germany. Even when in Europe it will be excellent, then the Baltic states will never be so.
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    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 13 February 2014 12: 16
      +2
      He blatted Georgia, and now hints at Putin among the Olympics about a friendly match.
      Only if they bring Saakashvili’s head to the meeting in a basket (bells as a more humane option). With an official apology.
  6. Lk17619
    Lk17619 13 February 2014 08: 55
    +10
    Comrade Onishchenko !! Aw ???? Where are you??? There seems to be something wrong in their sprats !!! Now, if you suspend the import of their sprat for two or three months, I would see how they would sing with their laws. Their products, and practically all of them are not needed in the geyrop, everything goes in Russia. I was fed at the expense of the USSR, now it is fed at the expense of Russia and they also stink ...... I wonder where our government is looking, why it will not impose retaliatory sanctions ??? Or do we have only liberoids in power?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 February 2014 09: 24
      +12
      Quote: Lk17619
      Comrade Onishchenko !! Aw ???? Where are you??

      Dismissed, with the transfer to another position.
      Quote: Lk17619
      Now, if you suspend the import of their sprat

      Yes, do not buy them and that’s it, not one commerce will not import goods that are not in demand.
      1. Lk17619
        Lk17619 13 February 2014 09: 34
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Don’t buy them and that’s it.

        Damn, besides sprats from the Baltic countries there are no others in the store (((although I respect sprats, I haven’t bought them for a year now).
        1. 311ove
          311ove 13 February 2014 10: 31
          +5
          Quote: Lk17619
          Yes damn, except sprat from the Baltic countries there are no others in the store (((

          Yes, no, for a long time there have already been several Russian manufacturers, and I don’t remember everyone, but some of Ryazan .... neighing, I remember the sea, and where is Ryazan laughing So "ask the distributors" laughing hi
          1. Lk17619
            Lk17619 13 February 2014 10: 48
            +4
            neighing, remember the sea, and where is Ryazan

            Yes, this is strong)))) Give Ryazan a sea power)))
        2. kare
          kare 13 February 2014 10: 37
          +1
          I do not advise anyone to eat sprats caught in the Baltic. It will be healthier. Does anyone know what data on the trade turnover between us is today? If there is, reset the link.
          1. Lk17619
            Lk17619 13 February 2014 11: 12
            +1
            Quote: kare
            current trade data between us?

            said 11 billion bucks
            http://www.export.by/?act=news&mode=view&id=52391
            yes the turnover should increase
            Here's an old article about development prospects: http://www.nasha.lv/rus/novosti/latvia/business/43420.html
            So it turns out laws by laws, and loot separately.
            1. kare
              kare 13 February 2014 12: 04
              +3
              Latvia is the leader among the Baltic countries in foreign trade with Russia. According to the Federal Customs Service of Russia, in 2011, trade turnover increased by 22,4% compared to the previous year and reached 8,1 billion dollars, while exports amounted to 7,3 billion dollars. (an increase of 24,7%), and imports - 0,8 billion dollars. (increase by 2,5%). A positive trade balance is persistently maintained for Russia - 7,3 billion dollars. In the 1-th quarter of 2012, positive dynamics continues. The export structure is dominated by mineral products - diesel fuel, fuel oil, natural gas, coal (88%), chemical products (4%), metals, mainly sheet metal (3,4%), vehicles (1,7%). The import structure is dominated by electrical equipment (27,9%), food products and agricultural raw materials (25,7%), chemical and pharmaceutical products (12,2%), textile products (3,9%). According to expert estimates, the Russian-Latvian foreign trade turnover in 2012 may be about 9 billion dollars. and exceed the pre-crisis level.
              Data is a bit old, but
              if today the situation is the same, then everything will cost just more talkatively. The national patriotism will win
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 13 February 2014 12: 19
            +1
            I do not advise anyone to eat sprats caught in the Baltic.
            But I do not take them apart from politics because they are not reported to the bank. In domestic cans to the eyeballs of fish there is almost no oil broth, and in Riga, up to a third of cans are liquid.
        3. Altona
          Altona 13 February 2014 11: 15
          +2
          Quote: Lk17619
          Damn, besides sprats from the Baltic countries there are no others in the store (((although I respect sprats, I haven’t bought them for a year now).

          ---------------------------
          Have you tried to switch to smoked sardine in oil? Wonderful thing, I tell you ...
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      3. siberalt
        siberalt 13 February 2014 10: 21
        +2
        I don’t know where how, but in our stores sellers warn about Roshen sweets.
        1. Altona
          Altona 13 February 2014 11: 17
          +1
          Quote: siberalt
          I don’t know where how, but in our stores sellers warn about Roshen sweets.

          -----------------------
          Poroshenko let him eat his sweets now ... Eat ours, Babaevskys and Akkond ... wink
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 13 February 2014 18: 17
            0
            Babaevskie is delicious winked !
          2. Rblipetsk
            Rblipetsk 13 February 2014 21: 14
            0
            Quote: Altona
            Poroshenko let him eat his sweets now ... Eat ours, Babaevskys and Akkond ...

            he is also different. Lykonf was pressed for a long time in Lipetsk, near Lipetsk (the village of Sentsovo) they built the first workshop for the production of caramel (candy), now they are building a huge enterprise. when you go to Lipetsk from Moscow via Yelets, then at the entrance, not reaching 5 kilometers to Lipetsk, this plant is perfectly visible.
            1. Altona
              Altona 14 February 2014 08: 58
              0
              Quote: RBLipetsk
              he is also different.

              -------------------------
              We have a huge selection in the Volga region - Samara ("Russia"), Ulyanovsk ("SladKo"), Cheboksary ("Akkond"), Nizhny Novgorod ("Sormovo") ...
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  7. Name
    Name 13 February 2014 08: 56
    +5
    Baltic insanity: three years in prison for "denying the Soviet occupation of Latvia"-oh ... in this case, you need to recognize ALL! born from 1940 to 1991 on the territory of Lithuania by the invaders .... hi
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  9. Zamachus
    Zamachus 13 February 2014 09: 18
    +5
    the poor Balts already start getting themselves a damn without having their mouths open and try to bite the lactating hand to tighten the nuts at an economic level and let the sprats choke and wash down with their powdered milk, then it can reach the freaks that they are nobody and they can’t be called
  10. Boris55
    Boris55 13 February 2014 09: 19
    +16
    All this nonsense speaks of their weakness. For 20 years of "independence" they have not become independent.

    1. kaktus
      kaktus 13 February 2014 11: 35
      +3
      The classics are eternal! Krylov zhzhot!
  11. Horn
    Horn 13 February 2014 09: 30
    +5
    As soon as the former Great October Revolution was recognized as a coup, it was important to present Latvia with a bill for the damage caused to the legitimate Russian authorities by participating in the coup of Latvian riflemen. Then it is necessary to make claims from the descendants of those killed by the Latvian arrows to the descendants of these same shooters.
  12. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 13 February 2014 09: 33
    +10
    That's right, it's only the Russians who can "occupy" Latvia, or the "civilized" Europeans, though with SS runes, Latvians need to be worthy and teach their children this to their ancestors. Here is how the "lesson of patriotism" goes in the Latvian school:






    Apparently, this is not considered an "occupation", although in Germany, for such an action, you can grab a full term ...
    1. CIANIT
      CIANIT 13 February 2014 14: 11
      0
      and geyropoy is encouraged
  13. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 February 2014 09: 38
    +9
    Yes, let myself, I just can not understand the attitude of the Russian government to the "Baltic issue", if it somehow coincides with the patriotic one, then it is necessary to openly summon the ambassadors of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and declare: "So the Balts, or you stop all this insanity or we will introduce tough political and economic sanctions. "Or say:" We do not care, do what you want, etc. ... "And now it is somehow incomprehensible" Neither war nor peace. "
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 14: 22
      +4
      Quote: Standard Oil
      ". And now it is somehow incomprehensible" No war, no peace. "

      Exactly.
      But each "run over" of Russia to the Baltic states is perceived as a threat to the EU-NATO.
      Given what is happening in Ukraine, Russia will have to take an extremely tough stance in the coming days.
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 13 February 2014 14: 57
        +4
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Russia will take an extremely tough stance in the coming days


        About this !!!
  14. sazhka3
    sazhka3 13 February 2014 09: 38
    +3
    Insanity is the very existence of the "Baltic republics", however, and Finland too. Further alphabetically ..
  15. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 13 February 2014 09: 40
    +8
    Latvia takes revenge on Russia for letting her go so easily. And Latvia was immediately occupied by Europe. Europe forced the Latvians to destroy industry with their own hands, and now they have reached agriculture. Latvian youth was taken to work in Germany and other countries.
    The Russians are guilty of being released.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 13 February 2014 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      Latvia takes revenge on Russia for letting it go so easily.

      Avenges that Russia has ceased to contain it, the Baltic states.
  16. alebor
    alebor 13 February 2014 09: 54
    0
    If in the Middle Ages for statements contrary to the official point of view, they could have been burned at the stake, now only three years in prison. Small humanity. bully
  17. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 February 2014 09: 55
    +8
    If the law is approved:
    1. Introduce the free issuance of Russian citizenship to residents of Latvia.
    2. To simplify the movement of citizens of the Russian Federation from the territory of Latvia to the Russian Federation.
    3. Recall the ambassador, curtail diplomatic and economic ties.

    We will manage without your sprats, but you cook yourself in your fascist soup.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 13 February 2014 10: 39
      +2
      I agree with the first two points, and on the third, a small adjustment "within the TS"

      Quote: Wedmak
      We will manage without your sprats, but you cook yourself in your fascist soup.


      sprats, okay, milk, especially a perishable
    2. kare
      kare 13 February 2014 10: 47
      +4
      Can throw this thought into social networks? Collect signatures under the petition. And then while they are swinging in the Duma
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 February 2014 11: 14
        0
        Can throw this thought into social networks?

        And the meaning of the petition? Just a concussion.
  18. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 13 February 2014 09: 58
    0
    U.O.d.y.
  19. Puler
    Puler 13 February 2014 09: 59
    +4
    sorry for the USSR ... the fact about the "advertising" of the fascists in any form is very rotten for the soul .. Why did my Grandfather, at the cost of his health, beat off the lands of these coves from the Nazis? Why can't I? Why are they teasing me?
  20. rodiy2007
    rodiy2007 13 February 2014 10: 07
    +3
    I offer a buy cat not only to sprats, but also to all goods produced in Latvia!
  21. morpogr
    morpogr 13 February 2014 10: 15
    +4
    To invoice Latvia for everything that the USSR built on the territory of these ungrateful or let these objects be recognized as the property of Russia.
  22. Ulairy
    Ulairy 13 February 2014 10: 20
    +12
    That's all ... The Balts were afraid of Pan-Germanism and could not fight it themselves. The Soviet Union protected the people of these republics, lifted their bombed-out cities from ruins, and brought the economy out of a tailspin. If this is an occupation, then I would like the "erefia" to be occupied again by the "USSR".
    laughing
  23. parus2nik
    parus2nik 13 February 2014 10: 21
    +1
    The Baltic insanity grows stronger every day ... And the government keeps mum ... just as they recognized the "Soviet occupation" in their time, under Borisk the Tsar, they almost apologized, but now they spit in the face ...
  24. Leshka
    Leshka 13 February 2014 10: 38
    +1
    it is necessary to conduct nuclear exercises near Latvia best laughing
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 13 February 2014 11: 37
      +1
      Is it like a training nuclear bomb? lol
  25. sinukvl
    sinukvl 13 February 2014 10: 42
    +23
    It is necessary to introduce a ban on the import of products from Great Sprat, and then we will see who needs their goods in Europe and how quickly they will slide down to the pre-Soviet level of development.
    One example of their cultural level:

    В In 1936, Estonia launched a universal sorting campaign “Every Farm Has a Toilet!” under the auspices of State Protector Pats. For an independent Estonia, this is there was a question of national importance comparable to Stalin's industrializationth. Farms fed 90% of the population, half of them were laborers.

    If the Soviets before the war invited everyone to aviation and Avtodor, then the Baltic farmers were called not to shit in the bushes, but to acquire toilet booths with cesspools in a Slavic manner (a toilet like a toilet toilet, and before that they shit wherever they were. They used to smell in Estonia). As a result of the campaign conducted by the iron hand of the Estonian dictator, the beginning of the war, it was possible to increase the number of farm latrines from 5% to 35%. That was the great victory of the Estonians in the way of universal sorting.

    All the curtain!
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 13 February 2014 10: 51
      +1
      Quote: sinukvl
      acquire Slavic style toilet booths with cesspools

      Okay, they taught to build pots and not to spoil anywhere, but they learned to wipe the ass then they learned ???? wassat
    2. kare
      kare 13 February 2014 12: 08
      +1
      Wonderful post. Now I will share in social networks
    3. CIANIT
      CIANIT 13 February 2014 14: 14
      +3
      I don’t fundamentally buy Latvian sprats for about 10 years, and I forbid my wife.
  26. Gespents
    Gespents 13 February 2014 10: 53
    +4
    Rewriting and freely interpreting history, depending on the requirements of the current moment, becomes an extremely fashionable activity. Even if these interpretations sound like infantile nonsense.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 13 February 2014 15: 57
      0
      Quote: Gespents
      Rewriting and freely interpreting history, depending on the requirements of the current moment, becomes an extremely fashionable activity.

      Become? Yes, it has always been so, since the advent of such pseudoscience as history.
  27. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 13 February 2014 10: 58
    +5
    By and large, Latvians outlaw everything connected with the USSR.
    My godfather (war veteran) always referred to the Baltic states as nothing more than fascists.
    And we need to take measures. Which ones are hard to say, but our choice is modest.
    It will not work economically. The share of supplies from Russia in the Latvian economy is 8–9%. This is too little for pressure. We block the gas - they will quickly find another supplier, and we will lose the buyer.
    In general, whatever one may say, political measures remain.
    Here in this field we play so far unconvincingly. Temporary victories of foreign policy, only temporary, no more.
    Develop countermeasures should probably be entrusted to Wolfovich.
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      +3
      I agree with Samsebenaume
      According to October 2013 data, Latvia exports 70% of its products to EU countries. The share of Russia in Latvian exports (they supply us) is 11,4%, the share of Russia in Latvian imports (we supply them) is about 8,9% of the total. So by banning sprats and clothes and not giving them gas, we won’t win much. It must be beaten by something else.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 13 February 2014 15: 59
        +1
        Quote: Samsebenum
        The share of deliveries from Russia in the Latvian economy is 8-9%

        Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
        The share of Russia in Latvian exports (they supply us) is 11,4%

        This is very much more. And what is the income from transit through the Baltic ports?
    2. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 13 February 2014 18: 18
      +1
      Quote: Samsebenum
      And we need to take measures. Which ones are hard to say, but our choice is modest.

      why is it modest? and redirection of traffic flows bypassing seaports and the transport system of the Baltic countries - is it modest? Why, then, are we building terminals in the Leningrad Region? for modesty? smile
  28. catapractic
    catapractic 13 February 2014 10: 59
    +1
    three years in prison for "denying the Soviet occupation of Latvia"
    - why would they condemn so little immediately to re-education by means of execution or a gas chamber, they will not get used to it - it is so EUROLIBERALISTIC. am
  29. Vadim12
    Vadim12 13 February 2014 11: 05
    +2
    The Russian leadership has long endured the granddaughters of unfinished fascists. It is time to impose sanctions on trade, I am sure that there will be a significant blow. Break diplomatic relations for such antics. Then the people will teach their politicians themselves.
    1. sazhka3
      sazhka3 13 February 2014 11: 18
      0
      Quote: Vadim12
      Breaking diplomatic relations for such antics

      Since there are no such "subjects", then there is nothing to break and there is no one .. (maybe just a butt) well, they do not get used to it .. This is the only way to explain the silence of both ours and ye
  30. Memorandum
    Memorandum 13 February 2014 11: 16
    +1
    Quote: Hs487
    It is necessary to introduce criminal liability in Russia for the recognition as "occupation" of the period when the Baltic republics were part of the USSR.

    And at the border of each ask, "Do you recognize?", But then according to the law ...
  31. Santor
    Santor 13 February 2014 11: 16
    +11
    Quote: Samsebenum
    It will not work economically. The share of supplies from Russia in the Latvian economy is 8-9%.


    You missed one moment - the transit of Russian goods through the ports of Ventspils and Riga, which is almost 80% of their cargo traffic ... As soon as the same Belarus launched its trade flows to the Kaliningrad port from Klaipeda, the arrogant Lithuanians at once became modest supplicants at the doorstep of the administration of the President of Belarus and practically at the government level, they stopped giving shelter not only to Belarusian "apazitsioners", but also covered up various Chechen-type funds ..
  32. Dobrokhod Sergey
    Dobrokhod Sergey 13 February 2014 11: 32
    +1
    Let them destroy everything that the "occupiers" have built for them.
  33. generalissimo
    generalissimo 13 February 2014 11: 41
    +6
    As for the opinion of true Latvians, and not the descendants of electricians from the anecdote: "-Who was your grandfather in the war? -Yes he never fought, but was an electrician! -Why did you decide that? -Yes, he had an emblem on his helmet, two lightning bolts! So he was a peaceful man! Electrician! " So one very well-known figure of Latvian culture, theater and film actor (I do not give my last name, but they were told 100% during the Yeltsian parade of sovereignty, in the 90s) in his interview with Channel One said the following (how they have not cut out until now I don’t understand): “Earlier, the fascist underbites were all shouting at all corners that we, Latvians, were looking into Russia's ass! Now we have become supposedly independent and sovereign! And what? Now it has become quite clear that we are looking into the back of America! And what has changed? In the ass, regardless of nationality, except for D @@@@ ma, nothing happens! But in my deep conviction, the ass of Russia was somehow closer and warmer to us! "
    And the majority of normal Latvians understand this, but for some reason they allow to rule the line of whom, the situation is similar in Russia, the country is Slavic, and the Jews are in power! Paradox!
    1. parus2nik
      parus2nik 13 February 2014 15: 17
      0
      Russia’s ass is somehow closer and warmer to all the current sovereign states, but they climb into the USA’s ass .. and it’s farther and colder ...
    2. Rblipetsk
      Rblipetsk 13 February 2014 21: 24
      0
      Quote: generalissimo
      But in my deep conviction, the ass of Russia was somehow closer and warmer to us! "

      can continue. if for this figure that the Baltic states was a showcase of the USSR, did not work, lived at the expense of the Ukrainian SSR, BSSR, the RSFSR is a pope, then I think now, even if the Baltic states really ask Russia to turn to them ... not backwards, but before. that is, not booty but, uh ... male genitalia. so let them all suck it together. they want in turn, they want together.
  34. Dobrokhod Sergey
    Dobrokhod Sergey 13 February 2014 11: 42
    +5
    The volume of industrial production in Latvia in 1938 amounted to no more than 56,5% of the production volume of 1913, when Latvia was part of the Russian Empire. The percentage of the illiterate population of the Baltic states by 1940 is shocking. This percentage was about 31% of the population. More than 30% of children aged 6-11 did not attend school, but instead they were forced to work in agricultural work in order to participate, let's say, in the economic support of the family. During the period from 1930 to 1940, over 4700 peasant farms were closed in Latvia alone in connection with enormous debts into which their "independent" owners were driven. Another eloquent figure of the "development" of the Baltic states during the period of independence (1918-1940) is the number of employed workers in the construction of factories and, as they would say now, housing stock. This number by 1930 in Latvia amounted to 815 people ... Dozens of multi-story buildings and plants and factories that these tireless 815 builders erected over the horizon stand before our eyes.
    1. Namejs
      Namejs 13 February 2014 14: 17
      -3
      And can any links to this information. As for illiteracy by 1940 ... Latvia was in first place in Europe in the number of students per capita (30 students per 10). By 000, 1935% of all children attended schools. in 83 this ratio was 1920%.
      Of course, it’s far from ideal 99.9%, but if we look at the dynamics of development, then everything went to that.

      About the industry - to compare the industry of the times of independence with the tsarist time or the times of occupation does not make much sense. and in 1913. and 1989. Latvia served RI and the USSR. For their own needs, such urine is unnecessary.

      And if we’re already talking about Latvia in 1918-1940, after 6 uninterrupted war years, Latvia was completely devastated and nothing remained of the famous 1913 industry. And look at what pace the country has been recovering on its own! In less than 15 years, Latvia has become a major exporter of agricultural products. There was also development in industry — well, for example, already by 1940, the smallest minox camera was invented and produced in Latvia. They built the first hydroelectric power station .. without mentioning the electrification, telephone and infrastructure development.

      For such a small country like Latvia with 2 million people, this is quite a big breakthrough.

      Quote: Dobrokhod Sergey
      is the number of workers employed in the construction of factories and, as they would say now, housing stock. This number by 1930 in Latvia amounted to 815 people ... Dozens of multi-story buildings and plants and factories that these tireless 815 builders erected over the horizon stand before our eyes.

      From where is the figure ??
      Sorry, how can you build the same Kegum hydroelectric station with 815 people ?? : D
      Quote: Dobrokhod Sergey
      From 1930 to 1940, over 4700 peasant farms were closed in Latvia alone in connection with enormous debts into which their "independent" owners were driven.

      After the agrarian reform, approximately 140 villages were formed in Latvia. by 000, 1940 successfully worked.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 13 February 2014 16: 07
        +3
        Quote: Namejs
        Егegums hydroelectric power station

        In a neighboring village on a stinking river, just such a "hydroelectric power station" stands, only slightly more powerful than Kegumskaya.
      2. Puler
        Puler 13 February 2014 16: 59
        +1
        As far as I could subtract ... Latvians are fishermen, firewood, livestock, households and they did not know how to read, and right now they read the wrong books, the Nazis.
      3. alex popov
        alex popov 13 February 2014 17: 35
        0
        For their own needs, such urine is unnecessary.

        Ahh! There it is! Now everything is clear!
        Whatever ... close the Gabala NPP to buy energy abroad apparently from the same opera ...
        The circus left, the clowns make excuses.
        1. alone
          alone 13 February 2014 21: 45
          +1
          Quote: alex popov
          Ahh! There it is! Now everything is clear!
          Whatever ... close the Gabala NPP to buy energy abroad apparently from the same opera ...
          The circus left, the clowns make excuses.

          belay Gabala NPP? Maybe Ingalinsk? And then Gabala in Azerbaijan and the NPP, fortunately not there
  35. Kibl
    Kibl 13 February 2014 11: 55
    0
    DELFINews of the dayPolicy
    PB: criminal liability for glorifying occupation will cause problems
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    rus.DELFI.lv | February 13, 2014, 07:53
    PB: criminal liability for glorifying occupation will cause problems
    Foto: DELFI
    The security police conceptually support the plans of the Sejm to criminalize the glorification, denial and justification of Soviet or German aggression. However, the PB indicates some potential problems.

    The secret service notes that the proposed version of the amendments contains a number of evaluative statements, for example, "offensive doubts." Such phrases in the theory of criminal law have not yet been considered and used in this combination.

    Based on experience, it can now be assumed that linguists' assessments will be contradictory, which will make it possible to doubt the fault of a possible violator. According to the Criminal Law, such doubts are interpreted in favor of the accused.

    http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/politics/pb-ugolovnaya-otvetstvennost-za-proslavl
    enie-okkupacii-vyzovet-problemy.d? id = 44211145 # ixzz2tBd5pJ4e
  36. Zubr
    Zubr 13 February 2014 11: 56
    +4
    laughing AUTHOR'S WONDER !!! After reading the title of the article, I already started to laugh .. wassat
    That's really really "MARASM FUCKED, TREES BOTTOM" ... laughing
    I would very much like for Zadornov to read this article, the feuilleton on our smaller brothers would be chic. lol lol lol AMEN! laughing
    1. zennon
      zennon 13 February 2014 22: 17
      0
      Quote: Zubr
      laughing AUTHOR'S WONDER !!! After reading the title of the article, I already started to laugh ..

      Well, keep on laughing, our detaputs are not lagging behind. The State Duma is preparing a "draft" on criminal punishment for denying the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal, which in particular recognized "gas chambers."
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  38. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 February 2014 12: 15
    +8
    Sinking ... Baltic comrades again burn with napalm
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 13 February 2014 17: 26
      +3
      Damned Russian invaders captured cities, villages, villages and left behind roads, schools, hospitals, factories ...

      I, in principle, are knee-deep at these limitrophes, who do not want to find their place in the modern world. Perhaps, there are no other such countries in the world, except for the "3 Balts", seeking an excuse for their worthless "today" in that they were offended "yesterday."
      23 years of independence have turned the "showcase of the country" into the backyard of European civilization ...
      Only one moment always amuses me. if the issue of occupation is not biased, then joining the EU followed the same pattern as joining the USSR.
      One to one.
      As I understand it, when China is "in trend", the Baltic states, or rather, those that survive, "unanimously" enter the "Celestial Empire" and will demand compensation from the countries of the "former EU", ...
      Limitrophs ...
  39. Nester
    Nester 13 February 2014 12: 43
    +3
    Translated the Kamasutra into their own language in Latvia. It turned out fun. But for some reason, again about the occupation ...
  40. Ek.Sektor
    Ek.Sektor 13 February 2014 12: 45
    +8
    Funny people these balts of course
    If you express it in a certain dialogue, then I see it something like this:
    People: Our industry is dying, let's do something, somehow reanimate
    Power: Yes, just a minute, dachshunds mean we are entering the EU, now we don’t need industry
    People: Economy in the ass, you have to save!
    Power: Yes, it’s not a question. We’ll sell everything to the Scandinavians. They will take care of us.
    People: Need a social program, hard for people
    Power: Wait a minute ... So, now here's the social. program, everything connected with the USSR is criminally punishable!
    People: Youth leaving the country, the population is aging, we have a demographic crisis, do something
    Power: Of course, of course, we’ll do everything right now and give all Russians non-citizens passports, cut off their rights, drive them into the conditions of migrant workers and slaves, let them also leave for their Russia.
    Power: Well, it’s good for us to live in a European without vile Russians, what do you think, but the people?
    Power: Where are you, people?
    Doctor: Stop the patient, how much you say, for a long time there are no such nationalities as Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, died out for a long time, but dispersed around the world.
    A curtain.
  41. bear
    bear 13 February 2014 12: 53
    0
    None of this Baltic beast will once again receive lyuley, fascists fucking angry
  42. bvi1965
    bvi1965 13 February 2014 13: 07
    +2
    Quote: Alez
    It is necessary to introduce economic sanctions against Latvia, to ban the import of any products from Latvia. To declare all lawmakers and deputies who voted for this law - Nazi accomplices and denunciators of history. Deny them entry into the territory of Russia and the Customs Union, seize their accounts and property.


    I agree. And the EU will complete what it has begun by flooding Latvia with its goods. In vain they switched to the "euro". I think this will destroy them
  43. Bezarius
    Bezarius 13 February 2014 13: 23
    +3
    It would be nice to help our compatriots leave this madhouse ...
    1. Namejs
      Namejs 13 February 2014 13: 54
      -3
      Just how strange it is that none of our compatriots wants to do it. So, about 7-8 years ago, we launched a repatriation program - in Kaliningrad they waited 90 thousand, only 3 responded ...
      Failure is obvious — all this nonsense that is hindering Russians here and is similarly unstable — Everyone who wanted to become citizens (more than 170 -180 thousand). social and constitutional protection is the same for all. And how many Russians in Latvia occupy high positions - look at the names of Saeimi deputies, institutions, and self-government ... One mayor of Riga is worth it.

      Here, despite the existing "russophobia", Russians live better than in Russia, however
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 14: 27
        +3
        Quote: Namejs
        Here, despite the existing "russophobia", Russians live better than in Russia, however

        Can we understand the concept of "life" differently? laughing
      2. Bezarius
        Bezarius 14 February 2014 13: 03
        +2
        You look at the world is very naive. Essentially, the program failed due to bureaucratic barriers. Simply put, the offer is not good enough. But in essence, our compatriots cannot profitably sell housing in your hole in order to buy decent housing in Russia. If the government offers apartments in Russia in exchange for apartments abroad, then yours will be empty instantly. In other matters, the latter, in any case, is a matter of time. You have always been, and will be in the ass, but this time, you have chosen the wrong ass, which you will greatly regret after 10-20 years, and maybe not, because by that time, your nation may no longer be.
  44. FlyEngine
    FlyEngine 13 February 2014 13: 38
    0
    It sounds very funny: "brown marches". And the flag is brown too. Ha. Associations with the word "κόπρανα" involuntarily emerge - excrement, that is. Do not think anything, I have Latvian friends and they are quite normal guys. Even they consider such legal miscarriages to be delusional.
  45. Namejs
    Namejs 13 February 2014 13: 46
    -16%
    Evidence that the USSR annexed Latvia (deceit and betrayal) is sufficient. Latvia suffered a lot from the Soviet occupation, and no one doubts this except for a small group of people who were mainly settled in Latvia during the Soviet era.

    Firstly, the USSR betrayed Latvia in the years 1939-1940 under the guise of an ally, secured the entry of troops into the Baltic countries, then demanded a change of government to guarantee the preservation of the existing social and economic system, but deceived the gullible authoritarian presidents of that time and carried out sovietization.

    The argument "And we built everything for you there" is unacceptable - Latvia was a cash cow for the ostolnoga of the USSR and Latvia, on average, contributed 1,2% to the Union's GDP and received only 0.7%, which is almost 2x !!!

    Migrants were transported in a more mass order that from the pre-war 74% of the total Latvian population in 1990, 52% were still a little and the Latvians would be minorities in their own country!

    but it’s a shame that for that - and for the fact that many deny the innocent- crimes against the Latvian people. This is the same if the Germans would have denied all acts on the occupied territories of Russia - it would hardly have been pleasant to you.
    1. SK12
      SK12 13 February 2014 14: 24
      +6
      All this is hypocrisy and rewriting of history under the dictation of the State Department. The whole world already sees the lies of Western propaganda and their empty values. It works worse and worse. History tends to bring incredible surprises. It will be amusing to watch all these provocateurs how they will sing when Latvia is again in the zone of Russian influence ... At first they from the Communists abruptly changed their colors to democrats, threw out party cards, then the same people would with the same enthusiasm blaspheme the West and the EU. Let them open the so-called KGB bags, there are half, or even more, are now sitting in the diet. Therefore, these initiatives of the young Natsiks put forward to fight against their competitors are inhibited in every way. As it was: the best food for a Latvian is another Latvian.
      True, everyone has their own, only one truth. I have already given a link about the "occupation" of Latvia, I will give it again. Who has not seen, maybe look, until the "democratic" YouTube blocked:
      1. Namejs
        Namejs 13 February 2014 15: 25
        -8
        First of all, there are those who are looking for someone to dance to the tune absolutely everywhere. Non-Exceptions and Latvia. Even during the bunch, many "patriots" have already written statements of appeal ...

        But you are poorly versed in questions about Latvia both in real time and in history. On a Russian scale, it’s easier to falsify something, but Latvia is a small country, and Laticeis have never been more than 1,6 million here. It’s like in a joke where a Chinese person asks how many people are in Latvia. I rejected that 2 million he answered- So you know each other in person!
        So, all Sovietization affected everyone. Deportations alone (total complexity ~ 60) affected about 000/1 of the families of Latvia. And how many dispossessed people (there were about 3 farmsteads in Latvia) and what delight can this polyvine population have? Or I will not believe the story of my wife's grandfather, who remained alive and left the village because he fled when in 90 the "liberators" took all the teenagers for cannon fodder? Yes, no one nevirnulsa, everyone died and pretty quickly ... Everything that happened, it happened with relatives or relatives of friends, it's all in living memory. Or the parents' story about the arrogant behavior of newcomers in the 000s "There are still too many Latvians in our city of Riga."

        About real time

        Quote: SK12
        Let them open the so-called KGB bags, there are half, or even more, are now sitting in the diet.

        For your information, in order to participate in the elections, you must present a certificate from this commission that he is not numbered to former agents. Yes, and also a controversial issue with these agents. The "bags" with real lists of agents were still vivesinis, but here there were just informants, sixes, and even those who were agents in the fight against economic crimes.

        talking about influences, you better strengthen your influence in the Caucasus, otherwise everything rests on Kadirov and huge subsidies ..

        Well, the occupation was very natural - 1940 is itself what there is an example of what Moscow, Stalin and the USSR as a whole are an organization / country / people who can not be trusted. Everyone is completely deceived.

        The story began with the fact that the USSR saw an ultimatum on the conclusion of an agreement on mutual assistance of the military alliance of the Union of Kotoria foreseen to deploy ~ 30 military men in Latvia. Latvia agreed to this and at the beginning of October 000 signed such an agreement with Mosvka. Both Molotov and Stalin personally assured the delegation from Latvia that the USSR had no other requirements. Even in October, the number TRUTH was posted where it was said about the great friendship between Latvia and the USSR and that the USSR never advised Latvia. In March 1939, Molotov, acting before the supreme soviets, praised how much Latvia was good at fulfilling allied duty.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 16: 14
          +6
          Quote: Namejs
          Or I will not believe the story of my wife's grandfather, who remained alive and left the village because he fled when in 1944 the "liberators" took all the teenagers for cannon fodder

          And how many Latvians volunteers enrolled only in police units (I do not mention the SS), do not remember? So I will remind.
          As of October 01.10.1942, 150, there were about 000 Latvians in parts of the German army and police units. For comparison: Estonians - 90 (from the bottom 000 30 in SS units), Lithuanians - about 00 thousand.
          If you calculate the percentage of the adult male population of Latvia in the same year, the figure will be more than impressive.
          To great sorrow and regret, today there is no one to remember what the "offended" Latvian policemen did with women and children in Belarus, the Pskov and Novgorod regions - NOBODY was left alive ...
          By the way, Finland, paid huge reparations of the USSR in compensation for damage caused during the war. Latvia does not want to do the same today?
      2. Namejs
        Namejs 13 February 2014 15: 26
        -8
        Well, to approach June 1940 and June 15 comes the ultimatum dge is required to introduce an additional contingent of troops to Latvia and the dissolution of the government — otherwise, they will decide everything by force. Nothing was said about the post of president and changes in the public order - Ulmanis is future and the prime ministers and presidents agreed. Formally, he still several months remained the head of the country.

        What goes further- New government without nationalization of banks, etc. organize new elections to the Saeima (parliament). Literally the day before all candidates were selected, except for the Soviet "Bloc of Workers" (I don’t remember the exact name). And of course this list won 99.9% ...

        Further better, not holding a referendum (as it should have been done according to constitutions), a new "parliament" asks for the USSR. The answer is positive, as strange.
        Officials, teachers, businessmen, policemen, officers and instructors, intelligentsia begin to repress further. Anyone who was dangerous to the councils is worse.
        Then they did everything that they promised not to do — they carried out sovietization, collectivization or the right to speak — robberies of farmers and farms.
        Well, the peak of everything was June 14, 1941, when the first 15 thousand people were deported - the youngest of the shortest was a couple of weeks. In general, if the war didn’t start on June 22, then another wave of deportations would be carried out by June 30 — the wagons had already been prepared.

        So.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 16: 19
          +6
          Quote: Namejs
          Literally the day before choosing to arrest all the candidates except for the Soviet "Bloc of Workers" (I don’t remember the exact name)

          Yes ... It’s hard to remember what wasn’t ...
          I repeat - give documents and / or links to them ...
          "Tales of the Latvian Forest" ...
          1. rolik
            rolik 13 February 2014 17: 20
            +3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            "Tales of the Latvian Forest" ..

            "Tales of the Latvian garbage dump"
          2. Namejs
            Namejs 14 February 2014 17: 39
            0
            And that's what the head of department 4 said ...

            "Only Darba Tautas bloks participated in the elections to the Saeima, who nominated 100 candidates - all were elected. Atis Kenins and the rest of the democratic bloc were arrested and prevented from taking part in the elections."

            Sudoplatov P. Special operations of the Lubyanka and the Kremlin in 1930-1950, p. 155.

            And this is not giving Vasya there, but Sudoplatov himself!
            Well, according to the results of the elections, 97,6% of voters voted for the block of workers.


            And this fictitious parliament expressed its desire to join the USSR and what is interesting, such issues are resolved in a referendum, but there was no referendum.


            And let us return a little back- on June 16- Molotov summoned the Latvian ambassador to Moscow and handed him an ultimatum- where he was required to dissolve the government from Riga, let in an unlimited contingent of the Red Army and make up a new government from those whom Moscow indicates ..

            They based their ultimatum on the Latvian-Estonian military alliance existing at that time, and that Latvia and Estonia are trying to join this alliance even with Lithuania against the USSR.
            For the sake of justice, it should be noted that the actions were limited to two intergovernmental conferences ... So.

            Plenipotentiaries report ... Collection of documents on relations between the USSR and Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia August 1939 - August 1940. Moscow: International Relations, 1990. Pielikums pie Nr. 248, pp. 386-387.
            Archive of Soviet Foreign Policy f.06, op.2, p.21, d.239, l.16-18
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 14 February 2014 18: 04
              +2
              Quote: Namejs
              For the sake of justice, it should be noted that the actions were limited to two intergovernmental conferences ... So.

              Thank you, it’s clear that you worked laughing
              I propose to transfer the dispute to the branch on occupation ...
              I think that we have already read.
    2. SK12
      SK12 13 February 2014 14: 24
      +2
      All this is hypocrisy and rewriting of history under the dictation of the State Department. The whole world already sees the lies of Western propaganda and their empty values. It works worse and worse. History tends to bring incredible surprises. It will be amusing to watch all these provocateurs how they will sing when Latvia is again in the zone of Russian influence ... At first they from the Communists abruptly changed their colors to democrats, threw out party cards, then the same people would with the same enthusiasm blaspheme the West and the EU. Let them open the so-called KGB bags, there are half, or even more, are now sitting in the diet. Therefore, these initiatives of the young Natsiks put forward to fight against their competitors are inhibited in every way. As it was: the best food for a Latvian is another Latvian.
      True, everyone has their own, only one truth. I have already given a link about the "occupation" of Latvia, I will give it again. Who has not seen, maybe look, until the "democratic" YouTube blocked:
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 14: 38
      +4
      Quote: Namejs
      Evidence that the USSR annexed Latvia (deception and betrayal) is sufficient

      Facts - for review, pli-and-and-from ...
      If you are embroiled in a dispute - at least provide links to documents .... Or will we again shake the air with the mention of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?
      Quote: Namejs
      The argument "And we built everything for you there" is unacceptable - Latvia was a cash cow for the ostolnoga of the USSR and Latvia, on average, contributed 1,2% to the Union's GDP and received only 0.7%, which is almost 2x !!!

      Once again - justify ...
      Quote: Namejs
      but it’s a shame that for what- but for the fact that many deny the innocent- crimes against the Latvian people

      This is not against those who walk to the sounds of the march and the flags of the SS? Or are the results of the Nyurberg trial for offended Latvians not a decree? I would like to see these "veterans" in uniform, conducting their processions in Germany - the birthplace of this movement ...
      1. CIANIT
        CIANIT 13 February 2014 14: 47
        0
        It is not Russia that is to blame for the crimes, but the Bolshevik regime that was in it at that time. And Russia itself suffered immeasurably more from this regime than Latvia. What recognition of crimes do you want? You need not to build offended yourself, but to establish normal relations with a country with a common border with you. Geyropa further and navryatli she will do chtoli = bo good for your country without benefit for itself. After all, betraying and "throwing" for your own benefit is so European.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 13 February 2014 15: 23
          +2
          Quote: CIANIT
          , and to establish normal relations with a country that shares a common border with you.

          with WHOM to establish ?! with these "stepchildren of history"? Zhirik is a hundred times right when he says that there are no such countries. what are they hoping for? Europeans and Yankes will not pat them on the bottom forever. these guarantors of democracy will have an urgent need for Russian participation in some of their next troubles, and that's it! and they will very, very wide spread the buttocks of these "countries", if only Russia would enter. and since we still remember that we need to love women, it is not known what will happen request
          1. major071
            major071 13 February 2014 15: 39
            +6
            Hi Andrew! hi Well, you’re right in your balls! good Right! As one great man said: "For not fig!" laughing
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 13 February 2014 15: 47
              0
              Quote: major071
              Hi Andrew!

              Hi, Vova.
              yes got it. the world media do not talk about them for a month, you have to bark at the Russians. and then suddenly forgot that somewhere such exist request
              py.s. would you send me a personal schedule of your work so that I already planned my voyage repeat
        2. Namejs
          Namejs 13 February 2014 15: 28
          -8
          Well, Russia official took on the role of the Pavovog heir to the USSR. And the responsibility for the crimes of the USSR is an autotic lodge on the Russian Federation. I agree that Russia suffered from the Bolsheviks, but why does it in every way justify the crimes of the Bolsheviks?
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 13 February 2014 15: 41
            +2
            Quote: Namejs
            I agree that Russia suffered from the Bolsheviks, but why does it in every way justify the crimes of the Bolsheviks?

            and crimes are building instead of farms and feudal fortresses of cities and villages with all the infrastructure (mind you, due to this notorious Russia, the construction of roads, the development of industry from scratch (including your agricultural enterprise)? Yes, even ALL navigation was built for you Great Russia’s account. We’ve been darned for twenty years, but it’s a shame to admit? Well, independent from Russia, probably sail along chocolate rivers with banks of biscuit?
          2. rolik
            rolik 13 February 2014 17: 27
            +2
            Quote: Namejs
            - Russia official took on the role of the Pavovog heir to the USSR.

            Return the money for the infrastructure built.
          3. CIANIT
            CIANIT 14 February 2014 08: 11
            -1
            but why does she in every way justify the crimes of the Bolsheviks?

            Why is the German Wehrmacht, dumping all the blame for war crimes on the SS?
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 13 February 2014 16: 16
          +2
          Quote: CIANIT
          It is not Russia that is to blame for the crimes, but the Bolshevik regime that was at that time in it.

          And which (the "Bolshevik regime") the Latvians themselves planted in Russia. With your own lard over tinsel.
      2. Namejs
        Namejs 13 February 2014 15: 51
        -6
        Since my topwar rating allows me to write about 10 comments a day, I would like to repeat that I have already written how this occupation generally went. Alas, limited in capabilities.
        But ask questions - I will answer them by mail.

        Quote: stalkerwalker

        Once again - justify ...

        Calculations of the Latvian Academy of Sciences. An example from my life I can name a meat-packing factory in the city of Balvi, the products of which were 100% sold to Moscow.
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        This is not against those who go to the sounds of the march and the flags of the SS?

        Show at least one SS icon? This is a memorial day for those who fought in the legion. If you honor the protocols of Nuremberg, then the organization of the SS is condemned (and the Latvian Legion was understood only when the SS). Those who were forcibly called are not condemned. It’s just that in Russia they like to put down in one regiment the police battalions that really got dirty in the same Belarus and the legion waffen-ss in which they were called up by force. It is not fire either.

        And for intrigue, one of the units that guarded the Nuremberg tribunal and convicts was the Viestura company consisting of Latvians, former legionnaires.

        As I noted, the Russians can’t understand such things- how can you not be on the other side of the armed forces you have? And it’s very simple - at this moment I vibrate a lesser evil. So, for example, during the First World War, more than 150 Latvians fought in the tsarist army against the Germans, because at that time they represented a great evil. Then these arrows replenished the ranks of the national army of Latvia in massive numbers.
        So now, these days, they remember the arrows of the soldiers who fought in the army of the Republic of Ingushetia, and they all go in tsarist uniforms, since there is no claim from anyone. And with veterans of the Red Army there are no problems, they celebrate their holidays with processions and nothing, but the day of the legionnaire was inflated like that. By the way, until 1998 in Russia nobody was worried about this issue.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 16: 37
          +3
          Quote: Namejs
          Show at least one SS icon? This is a memorial day for those who fought in the legion. If you honor the protocols of Nuremberg, then the organization of the SS is condemned (and the Latvian Legion was understood only when the SS). Those who were forcibly called are not condemned. It’s just that in Russia they like to put down in one regiment the police battalions that really got dirty in the same Belarus and the legion waffen-ss in which they were called up by force. It is not fire either.

          Are you serious? Is the Waffen SS violent?
          Quote: Namejs
          Calculations of the Latvian Academy of Sciences. An example from my life I can name a meat-packing factory in the city of Balvi, the products of which were 100% sold to Moscow.

          In today's Latvia, such calculations are not uncommon ... Just in the spirit of forced draft in the SS.
          Quote: Namejs
          And there are no problems with veterans of the Red Army, celebrate their holidays with processions and nothing, but the day of the legionnaire was inflated like that

          Believe me ... I am sincerely sorry for you ... The concepts of "good" and "justice" have acquired a specific national-Latvian connotation.
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 14 February 2014 04: 02
            -1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Are you serious? Is the Waffen SS violent?

            There was still a choice - the Salaspil concentration camp. Yes, Estonia and Latvia, for example, differences from the Danes; mobilization was carried out by force; the agenda came.

            Although I am not satisfied with ignorance of this fact, if you had known that they were not so hostile. You read the protocols of Nuremberg, there was talked about forcibly called up.
            Yes, and to the question, if everyone was talked about by executioners and monsters, then why didn’t they judge them for 45 after the war years?

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            In today's Latvia, such calculations are not uncommon ... Just in the spirit of forced draft in the SS


            Well, in the case of Balvi, I had nothing in doubt, my friends worked there and they quite well knew where these products went.

            And why not disbelief, Latvia really served the needs of the entire USSR. in Latvia, good conditions were favorable for the distribution of the necessary industry. one VEF is worth it.

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Believe me ... I am sincerely sorry for you ... The concepts of "good" and "justice" have acquired a specific national-Latvian connotation.

            You in Russia are very accustomed to generalizing everything — those bad ones — those good ones. As well as the notorious day of the legionnaire, these events are very controversial and there is no unequivocal opinion among Latvians. By and large, these are events for politicians and quite profitable. This is especially beneficial and convenient for Moscow, well, local nationalists make advertisements for themselves - they say you see how important we are.

            Well, no matter how it happened - this event is positioned as a memorial day for those who fought in the Legion, and not as events in honor of Nazism, etc.
            In general, it’s not advisable to watch Moscow channels on this topic. They distort the real situation.
            Well, for example, they talk about the detained "anti-fascists" but they do not say a word about the detention of neo-Nazis .. And what opinion develops, well, of course negative.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 21: 31
          +2
          Quote: Namejs
          It’s just that in Russia they like to put in one regiment and police battalions that really got dirty in the same Belarus

          So ... Finally ...
          If the Latvian policemen, as you say, got dirty, killing and burning alive civilians in the occupied territoriesrepressions against those who did this, who helped, betrayed the occupying forces, can be considered an act of mercy.
          Answer (not to me and not to us, but first of all to myself), what would have happened if the Red Army marched through Latvia in 1944 in the same way, and in the same way as the "dirty" policemen and the Latvian (forcibly drafted) Waffen-SS did? And used concentration camps, such as Salaspils, "as intended" against the Latvian civilian population?
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 14 February 2014 04: 28
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            If the Latvian policemen, as you say, got dirty, killing and burning alive civilians in the occupied territories,

            I doubt that such Latvians were. But I strongly doubt the scale of the sodeologist. Sorry, but to say that more than 130 Latvians volunteered for punitive detachment is the same as saying that 000 million Russians enrolled in the NKVD :) it’s practically all the serviceable part of men from the whole population is huge!
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Answer (not to me and not to us, but first of all to yourself), what would have happened if the Red Army had marched across Latvia in 1944 in the same way and by the same method as the "soiled" policemen and Latvian (forcibly drafted ) Waffen-SS?

            You know, but the lady was not jerking. I have already mentioned my wife’s grandfather who was the only survivor of the derendi because he had escaped. The Red Army took the remaining teenagers into the army, but no one nevirnula- used as cannon fodder. In principle, like the rest, the Bolsheviks of the person of sentiment had no relation to any nation and nationality.
            Yes- You reason at the level of the law of Hamurapi (ancient Babylonia). The basis of that law was revenge. Toist - You gouged out my eye, I will blame you .. and so on ..

            Of course, it’s gloomy, for example, I couldn’t avenge the women and children of the NKVD executioners. They are not acceptable - but this is already a matter of mentality and legal education.

            And as regards the executioner, so there are enough such cattle everywhere and among Latvians there were enough of such. Here is kinswoman told how in their village local enrolled in policemen, since the Jews shot it considered entertainment.

            But as already said, in Russia they like to generalize everything, and the history of Latvia is not excluded. Inadvertently, I meet hate and anger with sparking, this is logical ..
            1. Moore
              Moore 14 February 2014 07: 15
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              Do not share your thoughts, where in the Baltic States - in particular, in Latvia, have all the inhabitants of Jewish nationality gone? NKVD shot from the underground?
              And Arajs, the beloved hero of the Latvian Natsiks, came to the agenda from evil foshizd?
              Yes, there you go. Do not remember for an hour how Ulmanis came to power and ruled the country before joining the USSR? Something very similar to the fascist regime, no?
              Well, of course, slander. Latvia is the country of the light elves.
              Well, the last. Have you been deceived, poor things? Yes Yes. And to designate at least resistance was not fate? Well, take at least one plane into the air, roll out at least one English tracked box from the box and drop it on the street? If only a company which of the barracks of the trenches went dig ...
              No. All disciplinedly argued over the national insignia and sewn buttonholes with huts and sleepers. Some and rhombs mastered.
              It’s free now to yell about the eternal pain of the Latvian people.
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 14 February 2014 18: 34
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                Quote: Moore
                Do not share your thoughts, where in the Baltic States - in particular, in Latvia, have all the inhabitants of Jewish nationality gone?

                Who destroyed the Nazis, who escaped, who emigrated, like who

                Quote: Moore
                NKVD shot from the underground?

                Well, I think that the NKVD reported a lot of Jews in 1940-1941. They lived relatively prosperous and posed a threat to the criminal Bolshevik regime
                Quote: Moore
                And Arajs, the beloved hero of the Latvian Natsiks, came to the agenda from evil foshizd?

                I already wrote in one comment that there were also volunteers. Especially those who went to work in 1941. Arays and his team are without any doubt perceived as an accomplice of the Nazis. But in Russia they like to look at things simply and to generalize as much as possible- was in German form means a Nazi and a participant in punitive operations .. But this is not so. 1943 carried out mass mobilization

                Here is a snare for the order of the Latvian "self-government" on the mobilization of all those born in 1915-1924 http://www.historia.lv/alfabets/L/la/latviesu_legions/dokumenti/1943.11.25.htm

                And then the rest of the orders. Alas, the translation did not happen in Russian. But with the help of google you can understand what is said
                http://www.historia.lv/alfabets/L/la/latviesu_legions/dokumenti/000.htm тот осталные приказы начиная от Гитлера и кочая другими окупациоными инстанциями.
                Alas, very little is translated into Russian.

                Just, as you see, the story of the legions is very complicated. Starting with the motivations of those who voluntarily went to the legion. I know one person who recorded a legion to not pay card debts :) Or there were those who were so naive that they hoped that the history would be repeated like 1917-1918 - empires would be ruined and armed units would remain and then they would fight for free Latvia.
                Of course it was naive.
                Those who were forcibly called up, but they still had the choice of going to the concentration camp in Salaspils.

                Quote: Moore
                Yes, there you go. Do not remember for an hour how Ulmanis came to power and ruled the country before joining the USSR? Something very similar to the fascist regime, no?

                Yes, Ulmanis came to power as a result of a coup. It was an authoritarian rézhim and under him the right-wing Pērkoņkrusts and the Communists were traced. Under Ulmanis, not one death penalty was executed. it is difficult to compare to fascist regimes such as in Germany or Italy.

                But what did you mean by that?
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 14 February 2014 19: 26
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                  Quote: Namejs
                  Who destroyed the Nazis, who escaped, who emigrated, like who

                  When the Poles are asked about the fate of 50 thousand prisoners of war who ended up in concentration camps in 1920, they modestly answer "They themselves died ..."
                  No shame, no conscience ...
                  I don’t know where you live. But the Bikernsky forest became known as a place of mass destruction and burial of those already killed, all those who did not fall under the category of "native Latvians" - these are Russians, who came to Latvia after 17.06.1940, Jews, Poles. In total, about 12 people were killed and buried there within 000-2 weeks.
                  In addition to the police, "active civilians" took part in the actions to arrest the unfortunate. Here are the origins of the future Latvian Waffen-SS. Have you heard of Pernokrust, Arajs's troops? I'm sure you've heard. Or maybe they saw "legionnaires" at the parades. It was the members of "Pernokrust" who on July 4, 1941, burnt 500 Jews alive in the choral synagogue in Riga. During July-August, Arajs' detachments traveled across Latvia, looking for and killing both Jews and Russians. And this is a far from complete picture of what happened in Latvia, as well as in Lithuania and Estonia. You will now claim that the Latvian Waffen-SS was forcibly drafted?
                  1. Namejs
                    Namejs 14 February 2014 20: 40
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                    I do not understand your indignation, because there were Latvians who participated in the crimes, I do not deny it. I can even tell about cases from a story of my relatives from the time that the local was recorded in Poltsey, as they found people to be shot up with good fun.

                    Well, what I want to tell you is to distinguish who was in the police, who were in the field parts of the legion, who were volunteers and who were called up. I have already posted the links to the draft orders.
                    In history, it is very important to pay attention to the nuances. Many in Russia about the history of Latvia only know the intervals.

                    Well, for example, how can you explain the fact that the main enemy before 1940 among the Latins was perceived as Germans. Even General Balodis (who for a long time was the Minister of War under Ulmanis) said so - I will sleep peacefully only when all 60 million Germans flew into the air.
                    Well, after spending one year in the Soviet "paradise", German Latvians met as liberators. Then, of course, the Latvians will be disappointed because they have not restored independence, but it is still a fact
                    here is a German propaganda chronicle.
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrRcDTu3bs

                    The question begs, why so?
                    many of the topwar besides arrogant and oskarbitelnyh comments could not say. But what do you think?

                    and about the legion’s day, I say it again- this is a memorial day in honor of those who were called up by force and fought with hope as in the legion’s song — first we will beat those with bedbugs (red flecks) and then these gray-blue ones (Germans).

                    But this is a very controversial event, and mainly they crawl about Kremlin politicians and nationalists. And since they were dressed in German uniforms and right now it’s sometimes tedious to understand who and how got into the legion. several times in Latvia even forbade this event.

                    So again, it’s not necessary to generalize everything as it is customary to do in Russia. The fact that Latvia is small does not mean that there are few nuances.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 14 February 2014 21: 12
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                      Quote: Namejs
                      Well, what I want to tell you is to distinguish who was in the police, who were in the field parts of the legion, who were volunteers and who were called up. I have already posted links to draft orders

                      But I didn’t say that all 150 Latvians voluntarily signed up for the police and the Waffen-SS. I emphasize the fact that the NUMBER of ADULT PALATS, who began to exterminate massively non-Latvians, It was prohibitively large... And often the "volunteers" were ahead of the German "Einsatzgruppen" in the truest sense of the word.
                      Quote: Namejs
                      So again, it’s not necessary to generalize everything as it is customary to do in Russia

                      In matters of genocide and the Holocaust, as in their causes, generalization fades into the background. An attempt to get the legionnaires out of their jackets "from under the blow" of the SS insignia is initially flawed. Likewise, Manstein and Guderian pretended to be fools, claiming that they were not aware of the atrocities of the Wehrmacht in the occupied territory of the USSR, including the Baltic states.
                      And here is the rationale.
                      A few hours before the attack on the USSR, an order from the Führer was read out to ALL parts of VERMAHT, which stated that NO ONE German soldier who committed violence against the civilian population would be brought ANY charge, this soldier would not be brought to justice.
                      Latvian nationalists (the mentioned General Balodis among them) could not know about it.
                      1. Namejs
                        Namejs 14 February 2014 23: 01
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                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And I did not assert that all 150 Latvians voluntarily signed up both as policemen and Waffen-SS. I am emphasizing the fact that the NUMBER of ADULTS LATS who began to mass exterminate non-Latvians was prohibitively large. And often the "volunteers" were ahead of the German "Einsatzgruppen" in the literal sense of the word.

                        I will try to find documents from the same Nuremberg where the Soviet side recognized the Latvian and Estonian legions as exceptions.

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        In matters of genocide and the Holocaust, as in their causes, generalization fades into the background. An attempt to get the legionnaires out of their jackets "from under the blow" of the SS insignia is initially flawed. Likewise, Manstein and Guderian pretended to be fools, claiming that they were not aware of the atrocities of the Wehrmacht in the occupied territory of the USSR, including the Baltic states.
                        And here is the rationale.


                        I must remind you that we were talking about a "march of SS veterans". I presented to you the arguments and proofs that the Latvian legion was mainly formed on the call and that the Latvian legion was not 99% of the fiends and kovs who only did what they were doing as they mocked civilians. Skolko, during the formation of the legion, the police joined there and this is already a subject of study.

                        I talked with several veterans who actually recorded voluntarily in waffen ss, but how they explained it was based on historical experience. Also, the Latvians joined the ranks of Baltiysk Landeswehr and on the basis of them the future Latvian National Army was formed. Right now, such thoughts will appear absurd, but then they reacted to this seriously.

                        And so, of course, I agree with you, criminals should be punishable. And frankly speaking, such a memorable day of the legionnaires is an unequivocally evaluated event. But at the same time, one-sided information and labels about foreign players annoy me.

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        A few hours before the attack on the USSR, an order from the Führer was read out to ALL parts of VERMAHT, which stated that NO ONE German soldier who committed violence against the civilian population would be brought ANY charge, this soldier would not be brought to justice.
                        Latvian nationalists (the mentioned General Balodis among them) could not know about it.


                        for which the Nazis were responsible in Nuremberg. That is what the Slavophile and Germanophobe Balodis have to do with it?
                        But for Soviet crimes in Latvia and even in Russia itself, they still didn’t judge anyone and didn’t judge anyone.
                        You expressed in one comment that I equate the USSR with Nazi Germany. So it is, no difference. The NKVD and Soviet power in Latvia acted very zhostok and even criminally, the consequences of which we feel so far. Yes, and not only us, the Russians are much stronger and fuller.
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 15 February 2014 00: 31
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                        Quote: Namejs
                        I presented you with arguments and evidence that the Latvian Legion was primarily formed by appeal and that the Latvian Legion consisted 99% of monsters and coves who, plainly and thus, were engaged in mocking civilians.

                        I did not notice. By definition, SS formations are punitive troops. You can make a reservation for the "green SS", but they only combined "business with pleasure" - and fought, and, if necessary, participated in punitive actions. The reason is simple - the selection for the Waffen SS was based on ideology. Note - selection, not a call.
                        Quote: Namejs
                        You expressed in one comment that I equate the USSR with Nazi Germany. The way it is,

                        "...and here is Ostap again incurred..."
                        Dura lex sed sed - Severe law, but law
                        All actions of the NKVD in Latvia took place in accordance with regulatory enactments and laws adopted in the USSR, and suffered
                        Quote: Namejs
                        Russians are much stronger and fuller.

                        If desired, all documents confirming this fact could be found if desired. But is it necessary for the authorities of today's Latvia? It is much easier to adhere to the theory of equality of the NKVD and the SS. And I I ask again - what would remain of the Latvian people, act the NKVD in 1944, just as they did with non-Latvians German SS, Latvian SS, Latvian police in Latvia, Belarus and Russia?
                        Quote: Namejs
                        But at the same time, one-sided information and labels about foreign players annoy me.

                        So answer directly - with whom and on whose side did the legionnaires fight, even if they were forcibly called up?
                        Quote: Namejs
                        But for Soviet crimes in Latvia and even in Russia itself, they still didn’t judge anyone and didn’t judge anyone.

                        Do not follow in the footsteps of the Poles "... Klaas's ashes are beating in my heart ..."and ask questions to which you will never hear the DESIRABLE answer. You cannot compare genocide and the judicial-penicitarian system.
                      3. Namejs
                        Namejs 15 February 2014 17: 08
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                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        I did not notice. By definition, SS formations are punitive troops.

                        Yes, this is the very organization of the SS. And the divisions of the Latvian SS were not included in this organization, they were listed as "at" the SS ....

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        The reason is simple - the selection at the Waffen SS was based on ideology. Notice - selection, not a call.

                        Russian historian of the 3rd Reich, Konstantin Zalessky, in an interview with Echo of Moscow, explained the difference between the SS organizations themselves and the "under" SS. The form is the same, but the status and obligations are different. And the first step is the organization itself.

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Dura lex, sed lex - Severe law, but law
                        All actions of the NKVD in Latvia took place in accordance with regulatory enactments and laws adopted in the USSR, and suffered

                        The laws of the USSR in the territory of the Republic of Latvia (LR) were illegal from the moment of occupation. You called on one of the principles of law, but I can also tell you about the principle of force is legal in space (Tiesību spēks telpā), and so, the Soviet law was legally legal without force. because Latvia voluntarily did not enter the USSR
                        evidence has already been counted but I repeat.
                        1. Intervention was allowed in the internal affairs of the country immediately after the ultimatum on June 16 — the Soviet army literally seized all state institutions and critical infrastructure
                        2. Only one list (party) was allowed in the parliament, all the rest were arrested (even Sudoplatov writes about this (the same force in the previous comment)).
                        3. Decisions on joining any union or liquidation of statehood are adopted at a referendum, such was not carried out.

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        If desired, all documents confirming this fact could be found if desired. But is it necessary for the authorities of today's Latvia? It is much easier to adhere to the theory of equality of the NKVD and the SS.

                        This is not a theory, this is a fact!
                        The NKVD in Latvia was also conducted like the Gestapo in Belarus. They repressed the local population on the scale of their condition, education and social status. From students to intellectuals. Starting with farmers and peasants and ending with manufacturers. All this was done according to criminal laws, if the Germans did it for racial whims, then the Soviets did it according to other criteria, but this, in essence, is inevitable in relation to the victims. These repressions were embodied as arrest, torture, "nationalization" of property, but in essence it is a simple robbery on the net! And finally, the deportation of the population.
                        What is the difference in actions with the Gestapo? Well, absolutely no accounts!
                      4. Namejs
                        Namejs 15 February 2014 17: 24
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                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And I ASK AGAIN - what would remain of the Latvian people, if the NKVD acted in 1944 in the same way as the German SS, Latvian SS, Latvian police did in Latvia, Belarus and Russia?


                        Who can answer such a question - what if ... could answer? This is a separate subject of study. The fact that crimes were committed is a fact! The question on what scale is another question. Often the exaggerations are exaggerated, but this in no way neglects the fact of the crime against humanity.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        So answer directly - with whom and on whose side did the legionnaires fight, even if they were forcibly called up?

                        As a lawyer, I can tell you how the crime is determined — you need to know the subject and object of the crime, as well as the objective and subjective side of the crime. So, the reason should be the blame for something. If the conscript has fought only at the front, then there will be some kind of crime.
                        They turn off the criminal liability of circumstances if something happened unintentionally and he did not know and could not know about the possible consequences ...

                        The question is what legionaries fought for. A good question, a lot of literature has been written on this subject (there are no kotor in Russia), but I’ll tell you in the main directions

                        1. Those who believed in German propaganda that after victory over Bolsheviks, freedom will be given
                        2. Those who did not believe in German propaganda, but decided to go to the legion because they considered the German occupation a lesser evil (German occupation was much milder than the Soviet 1940-41), but they hoped that the history of 1918 would be repeated when the Letts entered the Baltic Landeswehr (led by the Germans ) and these units, if possible, took the side of independent Latvia and were the basis of the national army. Even such a song was- beaten up by the reds and then the blue - series.

                        3. such kotorie immediately enrolled in police battalions. Everything was there, and of course people who wanted to avenge repressions but crossed all sorts of moral standards

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        You should not follow in the footsteps of the Poles "... the ashes of Klaas are knocking on my heart ..." and ask questions to which you will never hear the DESIRED answer. You cannot compare genocide and the judicial and penitentiary system.

                        Neo-Nazis in Germany also argue, only about the Gestapo and the SS ..
                      5. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 15 February 2014 17: 43
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                        Quote: Namejs
                        Neo-Nazis in Germany also argue, only about the Gestapo and the SS ..

                        Well, thanks ... For such an analogy addressed to me ...
                        In principle, nothing else to expect fellow
                        I think that the exchange of views has come to a logical conclusion.
                        I will not say that I was glad to communicate, but nonetheless, thanks hi
                      6. Namejs
                        Namejs 16 February 2014 14: 45
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                        Namely in that matter- We are talking about the same things in different languages. You hardly knew my point of view and would have known if this were not a discussion.

                        I see no reason to end the discussion. I am interested to know what is your opinion after providing evidence on the occupation of Latvia.

                        There is no need to keep evil on me - the USSR was really a criminal state and what he did in Latvia and how he did the proof that there is no big difference between Nazi Germany and the USSR
      3. Namejs
        Namejs 14 February 2014 18: 43
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        Quote: Moore
        Well, the last. Have you been deceived, poor things? Yes Yes. And to designate at least resistance was not fate? Well, take at least one plane into the air, roll out at least one English tracked box from the box and drop it on the street? If only a company which of the barracks of the trenches went dig ...

        In principle, you correctly say, The main accusation to Ulmanis is a fact of non-compliance. What's worse is that while he was formal as the President of Latvia, after the actual occupation on June 17, 1940, he signed laws to fictitiously elected parliaments, thereby betraying everything with relative legitimacy.

        Ulmanis hoped to maintain at least formal authority (Skolko can be judged by the memoirs and works of historians.) And confided in the promise of Moscow that the system of societies would not be changed in Latvia, and therefore ordered everyone to remain in their places and the army remained. And so the army was preparing, for example, all planes were moved to alternate aerodromes and disguised. At that moment, the grandfather served one colleague in the army, since already on June 14 they had already left the barracks and appeared in full gear, but the order was returned.

        Of course, if there were any corrections, then we would not have to argue now whether there was or was no occupation.

        I already told you how the process of annexation went. But once again I will tell you what the head of department 4 says ...

        "Only Darba Tautas bloks participated in the elections to the Saeima, who nominated 100 candidates - all were elected. Atis Kenins and the rest of the democratic bloc were arrested and prevented from taking part in the elections."

        Sudoplatov P. Special operations of the Lubyanka and the Kremlin in 1930-1950, p. 155.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 14 February 2014 18: 53
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          Quote: Namejs
          Of course, if there were any corrections, then we would not have to argue now whether there was or was no occupation.

          Ulmanis, as well as Pilsudski, more than once spat on the laws at the time of his presidency.
          So what am I talking about.
          The occupation, as such, was not. Was incorporation, subject to all formalities. And on the claims "who deceived whom" - remember the "People's Front" - its composition, slogans. I often visited both Ventspils and Riga in those memorable years, saw and communicated. And for me personally, the "People's Front" was nicer than the "Interfront".
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 14 February 2014 21: 01
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            In fact, it was an occupation with annexations at the end.

            The occupation because immediately after the entry of troops on June 17, the Red Army immediately seized the radio, telegraph, mail, airfields, stations. In other words, all strategic objects. in the following days, they started to release convicts from prisons, organized riots.
            And what Tymoshenko wrote to Moscow on June 17th. It’s necessary to disarm the army, take control of the border and begin to Sovietize (!)
            As early as June 18, officials were replaced at all posts.

            You can call it like hotie-incoprojection, annexation, by the essence of the USSR, using the strength and helplessness of small countries, seized the opportunity to seize the latter while violating a number of international norms. But the most important thing was the violation of the Latvia-RSFSR peace treaty on August 11, 1920, where Moscow recognizes the independence of Latvia and refuses any claim for ever and ever (as it is written). Neglecting that at the time of occupation, Latvia appeared to the allies of the USSR ...

            That’s why I allow such big words- the USSR is an opening state with criminals at the head. Moreover, the Bolsheviks committed crimes much larger in relation to the Russians themselves, who now protect them so ...

            Many will immediately say, they say, the Latvian red arrows, that’s to blame. Yes, they were Latvians. But they fought against independent Latvia. In other words, they have nothing more than general to Latvia except for the national descent.

            I am sorry that I can’t answer all the comments. since with such a rating as mine you can write a maximum of 10 comments per day. tomorrow I will answer the remaining questions
    4. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 14 February 2014 15: 40
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      Quote: Namejs
      The rest of the teenagers the Red Army took into the army but no one nevirnulsa-used as cannon fodder

      Do not talk like that about the dead for a just cause. Ugly.
      Quote: Namejs
      Of course, it’s gloomy, for example, I couldn’t avenge the women and children of the NKVD executioners.

      Are you aware of it? By any means you put Nazi Germany and the USSR, the SS and the NKVD on the same level ... You agree to the atrocities of "soiled" policemen, and try to look generous - "... I, for example, could take revenge on women and children ...". With such provocative statements you call
      Quote: Namejs
      hatred and anger, this is natural ..
  • rolik
    rolik 13 February 2014 17: 26
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    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Facts - for review, pli-and-and-from ...

    Yes there will be no facts. It crawled out, farted, crawled back, and now we are boiling. You need to be calmer. Do not pay attention, do not buy their products, boycott them at the tourist and cultural levels. That's actually all the actions in our civilian capabilities. And let our authorities punish them both politically and economically, but at a different level.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 18: 31
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      Quote: rolik
      Yes there will be no facts

      The stump is clear ...
      Everything is built on One Latvian Grandmother Said ...
      Quote: rolik
      now we are boiling

      Not-ah-ah ... HERE DO NOT boil. In such disputes, emotions and waving a saber are a sign of powerlessness. Here the situation is even worse than in Ukraine - the Zapadensky Holodomor is just resting laughing
  • Boris55
    Boris55 13 February 2014 15: 13
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    Quote: Namejs
    Latvia was a cash cow for the oversaw of the USSR and Latvia on average contributed 1,2% to the Union’s GDP and received only 0.7% almost in 2x !!!

    Well, now you probably have healed in such a way that well ... because of an overabundance of everything and everything is cracking and all fellow countrymen from all over the world are hurrying back to Latvia laughing Can you tell me what GDP per capita was under the USSR and it has now become, after 20 years without occupiers?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 17: 01
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      Quote: Boris55
      Can you tell me what GDP per capita was under the USSR and it has now become, after 20 years without occupiers?

      Right now ...
      The Academy of Sciences of Latvia has ... laughing
      In vain, after all, he will admit that under the USSR they lived better wassat
  • generalissimo
    generalissimo 13 February 2014 15: 25
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    Listen to Namejs! I like your shoulder strap with skull and bones! You are the grandson of electricians! Those electricians whom my grandfather drove to Vienna! What are you trying to present to the USSR? Enemies say komunyaki, under the tsar they say Latvians lived a godfather to the king and matchmaker to the minister, and who to remind the tsar on the orders of the Jew Sverdlov (aka Rosenfeld Yankel Moishevich) in Yekaterinburg under the leadership of the Jew Yurovsky shot? Or he himself is aware that the Latvian arrows! Or did the Latvians live well under Ulmanis? Yes, the aizsargs did not feel bad (who does not know this organization similar to the fascist attack aircraft, with the arrival of the Germans, everyone put on helmets of electricians, if anyone does not know this SS! They especially distinguished themselves in punitive operations in Belarus, they were near Moscow, and In Latvia, quite a few people were half-blooded! And after the war, the forest brothers moved, they are like the Benderovtsy!) That picture that you posted here, this is apparently sending captured electricians to help the Kolyma lumberjacks! Actually, for all their "exploits" it is godly! It was necessary to act as they did! Shoot to the edreni hair dryer! And you can normally write in Russian without mistakes and there is nothing to be a foreigner of yourself! ANDESTAND?
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 13 February 2014 15: 27
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    Quote: Namejs
    Latvia suffered a lot from the Soviet occupation, and no one doubts this except for a small group of people who were mainly settled in Latvia during the Soviet era.

    oh dypaaaaak ...
  • Setrac
    Setrac 13 February 2014 16: 13
    +3
    Quote: Namejs
    Latvia suffered a lot from the Soviet occupation, and no one doubts this except for a small group of people who were mainly settled in Latvia during the Soviet era.


    Quote: Clegg
    Did Russia have a colony?
    Yes, Kazakhstan.


    Some familiar words.
    The srach about the occupation of Kazakhstan has flowed into the srach about the occupation of the Baltic states, tomorrow we expect the same about Ukraine. laughing
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 16: 38
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      Quote: Setrac
      Quote: Namejs
      Latvia suffered a lot from the Soviet occupation, and no one doubts this except for a small group of people who were mainly settled in Latvia during the Soviet era.

      Quote: Clegg
      Did Russia have a colony?
      Yes, Kazakhstan.

      Some familiar words.

      Alas, medicine is powerless here
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  • Your
    Your 13 February 2014 22: 12
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    1. Profession Latvian - flourishes in Latvia - about 250 officials - 000-97% understand who
    2. Based on the number of parasites — it’s clear who works — hence the painful reaction to any statements about it — Russians pay taxes only on Russian schools.
    3. The current President of the Republic already once said to similar Trolls - who by nationality and for what reason sent his relatives to Siberia - the neighbors really wanted to move.
    4. There are a lot of mixed marriages in Latvia - one of the reasons for sluggish migration.
    And you can add a lot of things, but I'm afraid it will be useless.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 22: 38
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      Quote: dvs
      And you can add a lot of things, but I'm afraid it will be useless.

      Why, then, have unsubscribed here - to remind you of your existence? Believe us, we did not get bored in your absence.
      Quote: dvs
      The current President of the Republic already once said to similar Trolls - WHO by nationality and for what reasons sent his relatives to Siberia - the neighbors really wanted to move.

      Given the fact that the current leaders of the Baltic countries have a habit of arriving in parcels from Brussels, one should not be surprised.
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      2. Your
        Your 13 February 2014 22: 54
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        Sorry Dear, but you are either inadequate or do not know anything about the situation in Latvia. And I didn’t write to you, but Namejs, and he knows for sure what the current president said.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 February 2014 23: 26
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          Quote: dvs
          Sorry Dear, but you are either inadequate

          So you should not chew snot, but "fasten" your answer through the "quote" button.
          And with your "adequacy" I got acquainted with your answers.
          Quote: dvs
          or you don’t know anything about the situation in Latvia.

          So enlighten us, those who are near, how you, the ethnic Russian, live in prosperous Latvia, waging a difficult (and sometimes difficult struggle) on the front lines of the struggle with Russia. How is it that from time to time in the leadership of the country and the parliament, people are elected (?) Who consider to spit in the direction of Russia for happiness.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 14 February 2014 13: 24
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    For the Baltics it was paid in gold after the victory by our Swedes. And well paid. We simply returned our, and you are a miserable misunderstanding living on our land, that’s all.

    // I'm not saying that you yourself were happy to meet the Soviet troops, to which there is documentary evidence.
    1. Namejs
      Namejs 15 February 2014 17: 31
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      You would at first honor something about international law. First of all, Russia is a member of the USSR and RI. The USSR at one time abandoned the status of the legal right of the heir to RI. So, in the peace treaty of 1920 between Latvia and the RSFSR, the latter recognized the independence of Latvia and refused any claims.

      In addition, the RSFSR and then the USSR officially recognized the rights of peoples to self-determination, and to us as a new state the previous agreements are irrelevant.

      And what is important is that such ignorance of elementary substances is very common here. I don’t see anything strange that you are so sharply perceived bill on criminal liability for the denial of occupation
  • SK12
    SK12 13 February 2014 14: 52
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    Quote: Namejs
    And how many Russians in Latvia occupy high positions - look at the names of Saeimi deputies, institutions, and self-government ...


    Your most "Russian" with a Russian surname is the Nazi Igor Shishkins, who served time for terrorism. By the way, it is significant that he was recently "convicted" again for a whole arsenal of weapons and explosives that he had found. Here it is, Latvian fair justice. Any really Russian would be given 10 years, at least, even considering the relapse. And this one got off with correctional labor. This is how the "correct" story is written.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 13 February 2014 14: 53
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    It’s not Russia that is to blame for the crimes, but the Bolshevik regime, hehe and I think the red Latvian arrows
    suppressing the uprisings of the peasants committed these very crimes.
    Latvians, before accusing RUSSIA of any crimes, look into your history — your representatives committed crimes in RUSSIA — but you prefer not to recall this.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 13 February 2014 14: 53
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    So run into rudeness. And sprats with sprats are not delivered in accordance with GOST.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 13 February 2014 16: 06
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    Muddy people. They live at the expense of Russia and constantly show off. Only an economic embargo, who from who /
  • chudoudodelt
    chudoudodelt 13 February 2014 16: 44
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    I feel in Ukraine too soon the same garbage will be. The Nazis are bad.