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Price rewards in modern Russia

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If I hurt someone's patriotic or there are some other feelings, I'm sorry. Honestly, I did not want to offend anyone, but just wanted to describe my feelings about the award system in modern Russia. I, as an officer, are offended at the way they scoff at our award system. This is described in more detail in another article that was published on this portal a year earlier. It was called "Unknown Hero of Russia - who are you?", Here is the link, here you can read more: http://topwar.ru/11696-ne-izvestnyy-geroy-rossii-kto-ty.html


In modern Russia, many orders and medals have lost their value. They are handed out right and left. Straight by handfuls, tossing people from the stands. I will not give examples, they are in the article I mentioned earlier. And now I will describe two cases about which I would like to hear your opinion.

The first case. He is still on everyone's lips. Yes, you guessed correctly - this is the case of awarding the victims of the shooting at school. Here is a direct question: why? What was awarded?

Truly, Russia is a country where you can get an ORDER for criminal negligence! I, of course, sympathize with the families of the victims, I sympathize. But rewarding the police almost for negligence can not. What did they do selfless, how did they show themselves? We arrived at the call and began to enter the building when they opened fire on them. WHERE ARE ARMORED? Well, with the police still understandable stretch is permissible. But then - in general a ridiculous case ... Why did the teachers award? What he distinguished himself with what he showed?

The second case. He had already forgotten. When an officer died during a training throwing grenades. There, too, security rules were grossly violated. As an officer, I do not understand why the Hero of Russia was given to the deceased. There it is necessary to remove from the post, and the command of the unit should be planted. But…

As a result, the conclusion: "SERVICE, DOOP, GET PASSAGES!"

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  1. dark_65
    dark_65 8 February 2014 07: 39
    +25
    I fully agree. Devaluation of the soul. Honor. Thoughts, disgusting and disgusting.
    1. denisey
      denisey 8 February 2014 08: 04
      -30%
      It is disgusting and disgusting for insulting dead people. Minus article.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 February 2014 08: 20
        +17
        That is, to every dead order? The labeled one did not die, but they gave him the order. But how can not everyone break the Great Country.
        1. domokl
          domokl 8 February 2014 10: 22
          -1
          Quote: Gardamir
          That is, to every dead order?

          Just in the second case, the orders were given correctly. The children saved the children in the classroom at the cost of their lives. The puppy went clearly with the task of killing. But in the first case, I agree with the author. I also think that criminal negligence and the flaw of the deceased is exactly. The grenades are thrown as part of a platoon company and, accordingly, the battalion commander does not have the right there.
          But what a sin to conceal, awards began to lose their significance after Brezhnev decided to hang jubilee medals to everyone and everything ...
          And then there was Afghanistan. At the beginning of the medal for exploits, but then ... Get it early.
          It seems to me that we are turning into a clown army like the United States. Look at the reward system - I graduated from training and you already have three to five medals ... That's why they don’t have any awards.
      2. dark_65
        dark_65 8 February 2014 08: 46
        +10
        It’s a pity for the teacher, there’s no words, the guard and the cop? It’s kind of like a pro? It’s that they died-it’s a pity. Like people. There are no words. But professionalism is in doubt.
        1. dmitrich
          dmitrich 8 February 2014 09: 13
          +5
          Quote: dark_65
          Sorry for the teacher, no words, guard and cop

          Quote: dark_65
          it's kind of like a pro

          you don’t even know who is injured and who is killed, but you comment.
          1. dark_65
            dark_65 9 February 2014 13: 29
            +1
            For Dmitrich, the pros worked against a possible terrorist ..total? Clear to everyone. And the wounded, the killed, I feel sorry for them as people, but not like pros. To work without a vest and sphere is stupid, if it is in them, the question is, how are such losses? .
            If we get to the cynical, compare the loss of Beslan, and here, quantitative and qualitative.
        2. Bezz
          Bezz 8 February 2014 15: 03
          +2
          Quote: dark_65
          . But professionalism is in doubt.

          Our schools are defenseless against this kind of action. But there was a boy of 15 years old. And if the group, yes trained? Another Beslan again?
          Security at school is a fiction. Smokers drive. In words - chop, in fact - a pensioner as usual.
          Video cameras are fiction. Rather, like this: poked everywhere, except maybe in the toilets (although who knows ...). The actual exhaust is zero point zero.
          Preparation of the joint venture is a fiction. We arrived as part of the GDB. The kid took them off in a dash. Pros, what to say. Equipment left in the car? Was there any?
          The patient brought two long barrels and a bag of cartridges into the school from the street. From where they constantly shmon. Comments are needed?

          And now the awards are being handed out. Honestly, for what? What such awesome right thing did these people commit? (humanly sorry for the dead, if only)
      3. invisibility
        invisibility 8 February 2014 09: 18
        +4
        Here, I did not notice the insult!
        And I noticed the concern for the professionalism of the current and future employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs!
      4. demel2
        demel2 8 February 2014 11: 25
        +3
        This article is about handing out awards, and where is the insult to the dead.
      5. Larus
        Larus 8 February 2014 13: 44
        0
        The author did not insult the dead, but wonders what they awarded!
      6. aviator65
        aviator65 8 February 2014 16: 50
        0
        Quote: denisey
        It is disgusting and disgusting for insulting dead people. Minus article.

        And what offended them?
        The dead are truly a pity, their eternal memory. But the very fact of death cannot be considered a heroic act. Moreover, when the investigation has not yet compiled a holistic picture of what happened and did not give an objective assessment of the actions of each of its participants.
      7. Desert Fox
        8 February 2014 18: 24
        0
        Quote: denisey
        It is disgusting and disgusting for insulting dead people. Minus article

        The article is written with all due respect to the victims and their families. I sincerely sympathize with the families of the victims, I know personally how it feels to lose loved ones.
        But what was there to reward?
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 8 February 2014 19: 05
          +2
          But what was there to reward?
          and what was born only? it was in two Chechens. especially in the first. any wound-reward. reached the point of absurdity. shelling of the column-burned down the calculation of the memory in the Urals. reward dag after some time for divorce. But everyone who knew there, that his ammunition wasn’t used up at all. that is, he didn’t even shoot back. and for a man’s scratch. and when two drunk (cops from idleness at a roadblock) fight and one detonates a grenade from the fact that he cannot answer with his fists. as a result, scratches on the ass and to both peasants. in fact, an attack on the post! and then they die really in battle and they are given the order of courage posthumously. for different things there is one order. this is so long. don’t judge by this. don’t spare the orders. what will they give them ? I’m lying in a veteran’s hospital today (I can tell Omsk residents). Everything is good in our country! According to some, the country is rising from its knees. Why should I pay for an MRI today? Why didn’t I pay three years ago? when was worse? why today it’s the turn and only for the daytime you could immediately lie down? the mind needs these orders, if it hurts to walk, why should you feel sorry? a piece of iron? the country is rising from its knees .... it has risen in the eyes of the world community. but for some reason people encounter difficulties.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 8 February 2014 19: 24
            +2
            Quote: Gleb
            Today I’m in a veteran hospital (I can tell Omsk residents)

            Gleb, take off !!!
            I was lying on the "Broad River" in Ekb (the same crap for veterans) last summer. itit ...
            Everything would be fine, but in the wards everyone is "our own")))
            I almost got drunk.
            laughing

            Good luck.
            drinks
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 8 February 2014 20: 49
              +1
              good luck and you brother! I love it so much and I can have a drink on business, but not now. Since mid-January, I’ve taken it and can’t do anything. It’s kind of young ... although there are many of them, you know.
              By the way, I’m familiar with Yburg. I started the service in your area
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 8 February 2014 10: 04
      +20
      Quote: dark_65
      I fully agree. Devaluation of the soul. Honor. Thoughts, disgusting and disgusting.

      One photograph is worth a thousand words ... sad
      1. sds555
        sds555 8 February 2014 10: 54
        +2
        And Us Rat Fucking politics foolAnd it is so all over the world.
        1. alone
          alone 8 February 2014 12: 43
          +4
          He was given a Hero of Russia for running as a courier at Basayev's Headquarters, or for some other "heroic antics"?
      2. kris
        kris 8 February 2014 12: 42
        +10
        Quote: And Us Rat
        One photograph is worth a thousand words ...
      3. smile
        smile 8 February 2014 14: 11
        +3
        And Us Rat
        Awarding Ramzan is a political step. Exactly the same as awarding the Romanian King Mihai by the Stalin Order of Victory. This skunk also thought of selling it.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 8 February 2014 14: 29
          +6
          Quote: smile
          And Us Rat
          Awarding Ramzan is a political step. Exactly the same as awarding the Romanian King Mihai by the Stalin Order of Victory. This skunk also thought of selling it.

          I understand that the political step, not all the brains drank yet laughing
          But ... meanly like that, the hero's star on Ramzan’s chest is a spit in the face of veterans and those killed in the Chechen wars. No.

          1. Hleb
            Hleb 8 February 2014 18: 29
            -3
            don’t tell the stars of the warrior. you need to talk about it. you want to wipe yourself with this spit, but for me it’s not a spit. and don’t hide behind the dead. This kadyrenish has covered more than one life and he became a traitor in the eyes of the Czechs. They found a demo on the internet and repeat that, you don’t understand anything. Here for this he (like his father) got the hero:
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 9 February 2014 01: 06
              +1
              Quote: Gleb
              don’t star the warrior. do you talk about it

              And what are you, in fact, being rude to unfamiliar uncles? No. Veteran counter-strike lol
            2. dark_65
              dark_65 11 February 2014 10: 40
              0
              Plus from me, yes, he saved his people, but he also saved many of ours, I have an ambiguous attitude towards him, but he knew that he was going to die by any means.
          2. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 9 February 2014 01: 19
            +2
            But ... meanly like that, the hero's star on Ramzan’s chest is a spit in the face of veterans and those killed in the Chechen wars.
            There was once a good order - "Friendship of Peoples". Give someone you want, even the elder of the Mumba-Yumba tribe, because he did not eat the ambassador who came to present this order.
            1. military
              military 10 February 2014 10: 20
              0
              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              There was once a good order - "Friendship of Peoples". Give someone you want, even the elder of the Mumba-Yumba tribe, because he did not eat the ambassador who came to present this order.

              and it hasn't gone anywhere ... it is called the Order of Friendship ... and it is awarded to the same "contingent" ...
          3. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 9 February 2014 09: 47
            +1
            For that fought for it and ran...
      4. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 9 February 2014 09: 39
        +1
        S.A.M. Good afternoon! Kadyrov has a very rational policy. Moreover, statements about the first Russian killed in the 16 years are also part of this rational policy, because Kadyrov should like the Chechens. And Kadyrov will not throw us until he is profitable. And Kadyrov’s statement: Russia is easier to milk than to fight with it, it speaks for itself ... NO KOMMENT
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 9 February 2014 12: 09
          +1
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          S.A.M. Good afternoon! Kadyrov has a very rational policy. Moreover, statements about the first Russian killed in the 16 years are also part of this rational policy, because Kadyrov should like the Chechens. And Kadyrov will not throw us until he is profitable. And Kadyrov’s statement: Russia is easier to milk than to fight with it, it speaks for itself ... NO KOMMENT

          Hi hi
          There is one caveat ... sooner or later he will grow old and die ... or the money for subsidies for some objective or force majeure reasons may end ... what then? request
    3. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 8 February 2014 13: 19
      +4
      Quote: dark_65
      I fully agree. Devaluation of the soul. Honor. Thoughts, disgusting and disgusting.

      Heroism is a consequence of sloppiness.
      1. matross
        matross 8 February 2014 14: 12
        +1
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Heroism is a consequence of sloppiness.

        Not always.
        And it is necessary to reward. Just to indicate the attitude of the state according to the principle - "what is good and what is bad". Otherwise, there are absolutely no guidelines for young people.
        Statute of the Order of Courage:
        “The Order of Courage is awarded to citizens for their selflessness, courage and courage shown in saving people, protecting public order, in combating crime, during natural disasters, fires, catastrophes and other extraordinary circumstances, as well as for bold and decisive actions committed in execution military, civil or official duty in conditions involving a risk to life. ”
        Both the teacher and the cops are pretty good. IMHO.
        And a bunch of departmental and anniversary medals, which are now at every Suvorov, need to be banned. Now this belittles the status of the awarded really. Plus, do not forget that there are many state awards, but not military ones - there is no order here either.
        And about the "sloppiness" lying on a grenade, let the one who himself could lie on it thinks. I probably couldn't.
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 8 February 2014 14: 19
          +1
          Quote: matRoss

          And about the "sloppiness" lying on a grenade, let the one who himself could lie on it thinks. I probably couldn't.

          You are not interpreting my words correctly. Lie down on a grenade, this is an act that not everyone can handle, there is nothing to comment on. But this is a consequence, and the reason is a flaw, or sloppiness.
          1. matross
            matross 8 February 2014 14: 22
            +1
            Lie on the embrasure is also an act. And the reason is the firing point unsuppressed by artillery. I interpret correctly?
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 8 February 2014 14: 37
        +3
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Quote: dark_65
        I fully agree. Devaluation of the soul. Honor. Thoughts, disgusting and disgusting.

        Heroism is a consequence of sloppiness.

        Say a little different - "The soldier is forced to become a hero for the incompetence of the general" good
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 8 February 2014 15: 33
          +3
          Quote: And Us Rat
          The soldier is forced to become a hero for the incompetence of the general "[/ b] good

          Unfortunately, YES.
  2. sds555
    sds555 8 February 2014 07: 45
    +16
    The author asks a difficult question, people died, this is a tragedy, whatever one may say. And with awards in our country, the situation began to worsen after the Second World War, recall at least the awards of Gorbachev, Mikhalkov, Yeltsin
    1. clidon
      clidon 8 February 2014 08: 22
      +16
      Awarding Gorbachev and Mikhalkov, this is the newest period. The problem began when rain fell from above from commemorative, anniversary and other medals and orders "for the anniversary" and simply by distribution. The apotheosis, probably, was the awarding of ALL participants of the Great Patriotic War with the Orders of the Patriotic War in 1985. As a result, the real awards were hidden under a thick layer of all sorts of memorable trinkets.
      1. sds555
        sds555 8 February 2014 08: 34
        +2
        Plus, I meant it when I indicated the period immediately after the war, and Gorbachev et al. Are the apotheosis
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 8 February 2014 10: 09
          +1
          Quote: sds555
          Plus, I meant it when I indicated the period immediately after the war, and Gorbachev et al. Are the apotheosis

          Apotheosis say ...
          1. sds555
            sds555 8 February 2014 10: 18
            +17
            Well, Brezhnev is a special topic. wassat a lot of jokes and the like, but notice mostly malicious, and he liked to reward himself, but unlike Gorbach he didn’t ruin the country and did not receive any rewards
            1. atalef
              atalef 8 February 2014 13: 59
              +3
              Quote: sds555
              Well, Brezhnev is a special topic.

              Well, actually the whole Politburo was in orders. and the apotheosis -
              of course. Kim does not regret the same awards.
          2. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 8 February 2014 13: 57
            +1
            Apotheosis say ...


            Today, March 2, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev awarded Mikhail Gorbachev the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called.
            “I signed a decree on your awarding our highest order - the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called,” Medvedev said at a meeting with Gorbachev, who turns 80 today.
            According to the head of the Kremlin, this award is "an adequate assessment of the great work that Gorbachev has done."
            In turn, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin today called Gorbachev one of the most prominent statesmen of our time. "Both in our country and far beyond its borders, you are known as one of the outstanding statesmen of our time, who had a noticeable influence on the course of world history, who did a lot to strengthen the authority of Russia," Putin's congratulatory telegram said.

            http://korrespondent.net/world/russia/1192207-medvedev-nagradil-gorbacheva-vyssh
            im-ordenom-rf
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 8 February 2014 14: 06
        +4
        Quote: clidon
        Rewarding Gorbachev and Mikhalkov, this is the latest period
        A.S. Griboyedov, "Woe from Wit", hope read?
        "Ranks are given by people, but people can be deceived"
        "With me strangers are very rare, more and more sisters, sister-in-law children."
        "Well, how not to please a dear little man ..."
        What to do? and who is to blame?
        !!! Improve the award system:
        - orders. The submission shall be subject to secret ballot and examination of the Council of Knights of the Order, whose members are randomly elected as jurors, moreover, where the recipient is known by his deeds, and not by presentation paper for the award;
        - Expand the "nominations" of orders and awards: for outstanding contributions to science, for outstanding services in the bureaucracy, etc. They are all "worthy", according to the statute, and reward, and not the highest combatants.
        Indeed, in tsarist Russia there were civil orders, even women's ones! Why not revive them now?
        - Return material remuneration for orders and medals highest in the statute. Maybe then from the chiefs who are not rightly rewarding, it will be possible to withhold expenses.
        - Define the circle of closed decrees and categories of persons falling under them. Then it will be difficult to confer the title of Hero of Russia to the NSSh of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for what they did with Serdyukov with the Armed Forces.
        Well, etc. Everyone, having thought, can add protective barriers on the way of bastards and observers.
        "HOW - I said everything" (c).
        1. clidon
          clidon 8 February 2014 17: 52
          +4
          I think that for starters you need to tidy up the very hierarchy of awards:
          У ordersfor example, clearly state the statute. At the same time, vague formulations "for valiant labor", etc., should be excluded from it. Orders should be issued for military or labor feat. That is, an exceptional event with an accurate factual basis. The daily high-quality performance of their paid duties is not a feat. Workplace death too. The order should stand out in appearance (it is larger) and place of wearing. Precious metals are not required, the order itself is a jewel.
          Medals - the function of "commemorative jubilee signs" should be deprived - in fact, these are simply less valuable, more massive orders. The only exception is participation in some important events, where the person being awarded was not only present, but made a visible contribution. All medals must have a round shape and be of equal size, as well as a place of wearing combined with orders. The recipient must stand out sharply by his appearance "from the crowd".
          Signs - the award marks must be small (at least two times less than medals), differing sharply in appearance and form from orders and medals. Signs are issued for an important contribution to the cause of the state, it is advisable to have some kind of distinctive attribute (for example, state level marks, indicated by the emblem), made of non-ferrous metals. This is a designation of perfect service, long-term, high-quality fulfillment of one’s duties, involvement in some important processes.
          Award itemsAlong with signs, especially in departments, it is necessary to promote the rewarding of valuable objects with the relevant details. These are gifts for anniversaries, holidays, etc.
          Diplomas I would do my best to raise the status of diplomas. First of all, these diplomas could be awarded to businessmen, cultural workers and enterprises.

          As for the award commissions, I see no reason to include the awarded themselves in them. If the order was received unworthy, they will promote the unworthy. In addition, the factor of personal envy will be ruled out in this way (I have an order, and that won’t get Vasya! I’m exceptional). Protection of the order is primarily its statute. Awarding the order is not a routine, it is an exceptional case. The gender division of orders into male and female from my point of view is outdated.
          I agree with the return of material awards. Both single and retirement benefits.
          1. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 9 February 2014 12: 20
            0
            Alex good day! Everything in the subject, I agree and plus, but here is also a similar topic: rusorden.ru Award confusion.
            Yours! hi
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 8 February 2014 07: 47
    +23
    The author forgot to mention the third case when rewarding prokhendeys and effective managers (GORBACHEVA, VASILIEVA and other crooks)
    1. Desert Fox
      8 February 2014 18: 32
      0
      Did not forget. Reasonably, he did not repeat himself, for he wrote all about it in another article, a link to which is present in the text of the article. It details this topic. And examples are given that over 25 years of the existence of Russia, for example, the Star of the Hero received more people than the Hero of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War and before the end of the existence of the USSR.
  4. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 8 February 2014 07: 54
    +16
    And the Hero to Makarov, the cabinet warrior?
  5. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 8 February 2014 07: 55
    +10
    All the same, it must be admitted that our award system for the degree of insanity does not yet reach the Shnobelevka, but strives for it
    1. baltika 3
      baltika 3 8 February 2014 07: 59
      +3
      In the top ten
    2. domokl
      domokl 8 February 2014 10: 28
      +6
      The system is a system, but most of them received their awards honestly. I personally don’t wear a single jubilee. It’s not accepted here ... But I put on combat 2 on August and Victory Day. I’m not embarrassed.
      And you know, a paradox. WWII veterans who have a couple of scrap metal have a troika of military awards greet their own ... And we drink one hundred grams with them shoulder to shoulder. They also understand who is who.
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 8 February 2014 11: 27
        +4
        And you know, a paradox. Veterans of the Second World War, who have a pair under a pile of scrap metal - triple combat awards greet them as much as their own.
        And in my opinion, everything is natural - a fighter from a sheluponi fighter will always be distinguished ...

      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 8 February 2014 14: 53
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        The system is a system, but most of them received their awards honestly. I personally don’t wear a single jubilee. It’s not accepted here ... But I put on combat 2 on August and Victory Day. I have nothing to be ashamed of ...

        And we generally have almost no awards. It is not customary for us to reward for what is considered natural - to protect our home, children, relatives. They reward only for something truly extraordinarine. I have from the entire service - one laudable grammar for one episode of ## - these military operations, and that’s all.
        And we never reward generals - combat awards are given only to soldiers and officers on the battlefield. Something like that... request
    3. AK-47
      AK-47 8 February 2014 13: 39
      +2
      Quote: AlexxxNik
      All the same, it must be admitted that our award system for the degree of insanity does not yet reach the Shnobelevka, but strives for it
      It remains to reward those to whom a brick will fall on their heads, those who suffered in road accidents and who died in old age. fool
    4. atalef
      atalef 8 February 2014 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: AlexxxNik
      All the same, it must be admitted that our award system for the degree of insanity does not yet reach the Shnobelevka, but strives for it

      Of course, it is necessary to separate the system of state awards from the purchased orders, medals and ranks - according to this indicator, Russia is in the forefront of the entire planet.
  6. mak210
    mak210 8 February 2014 07: 56
    +17
    Yes, the teacher’s case is egregious. It’s right that they helped the family, but the Order of Courage? It seems that he did not even have time to understand what happened.
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    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 8 February 2014 08: 16
      -6
      Quote: mak210
      Yes, the teacher’s case is egregious. It’s right that they helped the family, but the Order of Courage? It seems that he did not even have time to understand what happened

      but was there and saw everything? and if not, then do not insult the memory of the dead.
      1. vlum
        vlum 8 February 2014 09: 51
        +7
        This is not an insult to memory, but an insult to the order, which has a very high statute, is obtained:


        “Persons awarded the three Orders of Courage, when committing yet another feat or other courageous and selfless act, may be presented with the title of Hero of the Russian Federation.”

        The Order of Courage is worn on the left side of the chest and, in the presence of other orders of the Russian Federation, is located after the Order of Nakhimov.


        If you want to perpetuate and respect the memory of the deceased, then the justice of the Order of the Statute must also be respected.
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 8 February 2014 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: Dmitry
        but was there and saw everything? and if not, then do not insult the memory of the dead.

        So maybe the guard "For Courage" had to hang him too? After all, he didn't put it in his pants at the sight of an armed boy and even pressed a button ...
        1. dmitrich
          dmitrich 8 February 2014 12: 52
          -1
          Quote: IRBIS
          So maybe the guard "For Courage" had to hang him too? After all, he didn't put it in his pants at the sight of an armed boy and even pressed a button ...

          and here the guard is just a coward, it is not known how you would have acted in his place.
    3. makarov
      makarov 8 February 2014 08: 20
      +19
      "Yes, the case with the teacher is blatant. It is very correct that they helped the family, but the Order of Courage? It seems that he did not even have time to understand what happened."

      I suppose that the scenario of "investigation decoupling" will follow only one scenario. Once the teacher has already been awarded, then in essence he cannot be a potential culprit and provocateur of what happened. And thus only the shooter will be responsible for everything.
      It cannot be that the guy is an excellent student in all subjects, only in geography he had a grade not higher than four. Probably there was a conflict, and the late teacher directly stated that "you will not get more than 4 from me, even if you know the whole textbook by your teeth." This is the result of the conflict.
      Something similar happened in Crimea about 15 years ago (from memory in Yalta). The daughter of a military pensioner was raped, and no case was even brought against the major. Where didn’t my father go and write ??? Everything was empty, and all the blame was blamed on the victim, and arbitrariness occurred under the guidance of the prosecutor. As a result, the father came to the reception of the prosecutor, and blew up a grenade with him and himself, he did not find another way of revenge, leaving a suicide note. But after this major was immediately arrested, the police leadership was fired, but after all, the Warrior who died for Truth, defending the honor of his daughter, alas, will not be returned !!!
      1. vlum
        vlum 8 February 2014 09: 56
        0
        There was already information that the teacher was in this office by coincidence and the shooter did not know that this particular teacher would be there. Also, infa passed, that with the grades in geography everything was "excellent". Those. personally, there was no reason at all to conflict between this teacher and this student-shooter.
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 8 February 2014 11: 30
          +1
          Already passed the information that
          Well, it seems that Paul is right. And it is more terrible than rewarding the uncomplicated - when they do not solve the problem, but cover it up, drive it inside ...
  7. Papania
    Papania 8 February 2014 08: 04
    +4
    I completely agree !!! And the farther the stranger and stranger.
  8. dmitrich
    dmitrich 8 February 2014 08: 06
    -22%
    Again they are trying to kick Russia, and I doubt that the author is an officer.
    1. baltika 3
      baltika 3 8 February 2014 08: 39
      +6
      And what does the officer have to do with it
      1. dmitrich
        dmitrich 8 February 2014 09: 00
        -6
        Quote: baltika 3
        And what does the officer have to do with it

        Yes, only for these words, As a result, the conclusion: “SERVICES, fool, check GET THE BADGE!”
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 8 February 2014 11: 52
          +8
          Quote: Dmitry
          Yes, only for these words, As a result, the conclusion: “SERVICES, fool, check GET THE BADGE!”

          And this is a very old saying and it fully expresses our award system. I'll tell you a couple more, from the Second World War:
          1. The farther from the front, the higher the rewards.
          2. Masha for p ... du - "Krasnaya Zvezda", and Vanka for the attack - x ... th at mid..ku!
          And what is there to be offended if this is true!
          1. makarov
            makarov 8 February 2014 16: 34
            +1
            add:
            Go ahead x .. in your mouth, run back, x .. in your ass. am
        2. Desert Fox
          8 February 2014 18: 53
          0
          Quote: Dmitry
          Again they are trying to kick Russia, and I doubt that the author is an officer.

          Why kick the motherland? Homeland is holy! I have no claims whatsoever to the Motherland, nor did I have it, as to the Mother. This is the most beautiful country in the world, and a small homeland is all life in general, and no matter how the state spread rot, I’ll die here.
          And sometimes it’s necessary to kick the power, they are national servants, but in fact we all live to serve them. And it is necessary that they move at least a little for us, otherwise they mess up, and now everyone wants to shut up.

          In general, I am inclined to believe, as Zadornov said in one of his speeches, - "I live in the most beautiful Motherland in the world, but in the shitiest state."
  9. bomg.77
    bomg.77 8 February 2014 08: 07
    +9
    Regarding the teacher, I completely agree, as I wrote in the comments earlier. He is a victim! Help with money and family, but why undeserved rewarding, discredit the reward? Show that we care .... this is not care, care is financial help. I am with I agree with you!
    1. atalef
      atalef 8 February 2014 14: 07
      0
      Quote: bomg.77
      but why undeserved reward, discredit the award

      When the highest state awards are discredited what you want.
      The apotheosis was when the hero of Russia Kadyrov ordered and dunked the hero of Russia Yamadayev.
      The Hero of the Russian Federation - the state award of the Russian Federation - the highest rank awarded for services to the state and people associated with the fulfillment of the heroic feat.
      The Hero of the Russian Federation is awarded the badge of special distinction - the Golden Star medal.

      Kakya understood that they didn’t even institute criminal proceedings.
  10. stroporez
    stroporez 8 February 2014 08: 09
    +1
    but it seems to me that to today's leaders the system of really respected awards is simply dangerous .......... judge for yourself ------- the person received a real award in bogey conditions for courage, determination, etc. Well, he in ordinary life will begin to rely on these qualities ----- and this is already dangerous for the authorities .........
  11. kind
    kind 8 February 2014 08: 16
    +19
    May the people who have received their awards deservedly forgive me, but here is my observation. I know from my job that they reward mostly lickers or bribe-takers. For each holiday, medals are thrown at them. People who are really worthy (of which I know a lot) remain in the shadows. All because they have their own opinion that does not coincide with the opinion of the chiefs-fools, and a conscience. The most interesting thing is that the "courtiers" are not ashamed of their awards, and if you ask: - For what this or that medal was received, then most likely they will smile mysteriously and say: "The authorities know best." I saw logisticians hung with awards like a Christmas tree, one of them, being heavily drunk on February 23rd, told me that in order to receive an order or medal, you need to know who and how much to give. Therefore, when I see modern military men hung with awards, I am not imbued with respect as front-line soldiers of the Great Patriotic War until I know what kind of person he is.
  12. demotivator
    demotivator 8 February 2014 08: 27
    +20
    Second case. He had already been forgotten. When an officer died during training grenade throwing. There, too, security rules were grossly violated. As an officer, I do not understand why the deceased was given the Hero of Russia.

    As an officer to an officer, I explain to the uncomprehending why the dead battalion commander was given the Hero of Russia.
    Major Sergei Solnechnikov died during training sessions with soldiers of military unit No. 53790 at a training ground near Belogorsk.
    The commander of the communications battalion covered his body with a grenade, which was inadvertently thrown by one of the conscripts. The explosive device hit the edge of the parapet and remained lying in the affected area of ​​several military personnel.
    Solnechnik had a few seconds to make a decision, about 10 servicemen could be in the radius of destruction. The major lay down on a grenade, after which it exploded. He was seriously injured, none of the soldiers were injured.
    After the explosion at the training ground, Sergey lived for several more hours.
    Now let’s speculate. The hero is the one who RISKS LIFE DOING HIS DUTY. Did not Solnechnik's battalion commander deserve this?
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. vlad0
      vlad0 8 February 2014 08: 53
      +7
      Surely deserved it.
      That's just why in the trench from which the grenade was thrown, there were several fighters, and not one ???
      1. svdshka
        svdshka 8 February 2014 12: 03
        0
        I completely agree that here it’s not pure not pure
    3. vlum
      vlum 8 February 2014 10: 09
      +3
      I will also comment, especially since the author in the article specifically asked to speak ...

      This action is undoubtedly heroic.

      But perhaps it would be appropriate for those who took responsibility for presenting the hero to the award to report on the investigation of the causes of the incident and give information whether or not there were violations in the preparation and conduct of training sessions, what measures were taken to improve security, etc.
    4. IRBIS
      IRBIS 8 February 2014 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: demotivator
      The explosive device hit the edge of the parapet and remained lying in the affected area of ​​several military personnel.

      A flagrant violation of safety requirements! I broke it myself - I corrected it myself. "Star" for what !?
      Sanya Romanov, you shouldn't have deleted Leha's comment, he is completely on the topic. Any professional will agree that the battalion commander carried out grenade throwing "at the sharmachka", so they "played out".
    5. Salamander
      Salamander 8 February 2014 13: 41
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      Now let’s speculate. The hero is the one who RISKS LIFE DOING HIS DUTY. Did not Solnechnik's battalion commander deserve this?


      +100500 !!! Exactly! And then maybe Sailors could ... take an RPG wassat
    6. Desert Fox
      8 February 2014 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: demotivator
      As an officer to an officer, I explain to the uncomprehending why the dead battalion commander was given the Hero of Russia.
      Major Sergei Solnechnikov died during training sessions with soldiers of military unit No. 53790 at a training ground near Belogorsk.


      Are you an officer ?! I'm in shock ... I will explain why you are not an officer!

      The officer, like anyone who has served in the military, knows by heart, articles of the charter and instructions on how to conduct training firing and throwing grenades! And if you were an officer or served, you would not write such nonsense !!! and so you are a liar, posing as an officer ...

      As an act, I agree, the case is really outstanding, lie on a grenade and take death for another person. In general, I don’t doubt it either. It deserves respect.
      BUT is BUT ... Let's look at these BUT ...

      1. The kombat has no right to conduct such classes!
      As an officer he must know this! A minimum of such activities should be directed by the deputy. the commander.
      Where were they all ?! don’t they know the charter ?! HOW DO THEY GENERALLY RECEIVE THEN ?! Shock and Awe!!!
      2. BECAUSE why they did not have bulletproof vests ??? Why did they stand in the trench of the docker and more ?! When only the leader and the cadet should be in the trench !!! On the face of a gross violation of safety precautions, for such an NSS in years to give, without hesitation is necessary. And for such consequences - this is criminal negligence !!! it is necessary to plant and remove shoulder straps from so many commanders.
      3. The RGD 5 grenade is essentially a cracker, of course I exaggerate, but there have been times when it was torn in the hands of a person and he survived. Remained disabled, but survived. It is even possible that if he had the bulletproof vest on him, as expected, he would have survived.
  13. dmitrich
    dmitrich 8 February 2014 08: 30
    +1
    News around the world is rushing with an increase, and you will often hear the truth with an increase, but a deceitful whole fable will be made up, and it will glorify the fable for true stories.
  14. leks
    leks 8 February 2014 08: 34
    +7
    I don’t agree with you, you wrote about the incident in the army when an officer died, as far as I remember he covered himself with a grenade, thereby rescuing a conscript soldier 18-19 years old didn’t he deserve a reward, you are talking about negligence in part, as an officer you should know which ones be safety measures when throwing a combat grenade right? but you get it in the ideal case, threw it down, and you put yourself in the place of a soldier whose hands are shaking and your stomach is losing fear, but I've seen these and many grenades were thrown just a couple of meters for the trench, okay, everything went well; well done officers, many fell on top of the guys because they understood what responsibility was, so I don’t agree with the officer about the award, my opinion was awarded honestly and worthily to him.
    I have nothing to say about the civilian, only that he is an innocent victim, sorry for his family without his DAD, but I was glad that they were given a lot of financial assistance, they will pay off the mortgage and remain for life
    As for the rest, I agree that the police’s negligent attitude toward the implementation of their own exit rules for the emergency call button was, in theory, correct to blame the authorities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but those who did this would not understand public opinion, so they acted with caution.
    And the guard at school did stupidly let an armed child go to school, it’s necessary to drive such guards, and he’s in particular in court for neglecting his duties, why are they hired and paid their structure if he works as a usher or gatekeeper, then it’s easier to put high school students there, I remember it was so practiced in the 90s !!!
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 8 February 2014 11: 19
      +3
      I've seen such people and many grenades threw literally a couple of meters per trench
      I also put a lot in and threw myself. So, the case described by you is possible only when the fighter is not ready either technically or PSYCHOLOGICALLY for the throwing, which means CAN NOT be allowed to throw combat grenades. And it is the officer’s duty to identify and carry out additional work with them. Second, there is already noted: in the area of ​​destruction there were several soldiers. In principle, this could not happen here: TWO people were in the trench - a soldier and an officer, the rest were safely removed outside the throwing sector. So it turns out - the officer made a courageous, of course, an act, but he is also the culprit of the situation. And imagine for a moment that he hesitated for a moment, that a grenade rolled out from under him at the moment of falling, that another decisive one was found and at the same time rushed at the grenade. as a result, he didn’t cover himself, and he prevented him ... But it could have happened in such a way that would lead to an even greater tragedy! So the question here is not so straightforward.
    2. atalef
      atalef 8 February 2014 14: 12
      0
      Quote: leks
      I don’t agree with you, you wrote about the incident in the army when an officer died, as far as I remember he covered himself with a grenade, thereby rescuing a conscript soldier 18-19 years old didn’t he deserve a reward, you are talking about negligence in part, as an officer you should know which ones be safety measures when throwing a combat grenade right?

      In general, I support that when throwing a grenade, if all the safety standards were met, I would not have to be awarded. And when they are performed as they should, no unnecessary deaths occur.
      I think the same. that the hero was not right to give for it.
  15. PValery53
    PValery53 8 February 2014 08: 35
    +3
    The logic of awarding awards (rewarding) is to recognize on behalf of the state the outstanding value of a heroic deed (feat) or long-term human activity. In the cases listed above, neither one nor the other is present. They simply reward victims of a cockroach who did not commit any act, but simply fell under the bullets. It is obligatory to provide material assistance to relatives, but with awards - "got excited." And rewarding officials is a separate "song". Completely prohibit, rewarding yourself loved ones is unacceptable!
  16. Sergey Vl.
    Sergey Vl. 8 February 2014 08: 52
    +5
    At one time, Emperor Nicholas I vetoed and for 15 years did not award the orders of St. Anna and St. Stanislav to the lowest degrees in order to increase the prestige of awards and reduce the number of noblemen per unit area (personal nobility was given along with the award and followed by an increase of one class rank automatically). Maybe it is time for us to follow the recipe of Nikolai Pavlovich?
  17. cobalt
    cobalt 8 February 2014 08: 57
    +7
    In order to prevent tragedies with the military during the training sessions, it is necessary to ensure normal security conditions, then you will not have to bury anyone and reward posthumously. There is nothing complicated in equipping such positions. Shame on the command of the unit that did not provide this.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 8 February 2014 09: 14
      +5
      Everything about what you write is correct, and understandable. But as always, when using weapons, the main human factor. I'll tell you about my impressions. Metal RGDshku from a concrete platform, with an installed armor shield, a theoretical course, throwing training, everything is in order. But as soon as I took the first time I was fighting, and pulled out the pin, my hand was "numb", and I didn’t throw it, it will be said very loudly, but threw it a little more than 10 meters according to my feelings. I think this was all the first time we experienced it.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 8 February 2014 10: 18
        +2
        Quote: Alex 241
        ... But as soon as I took the combat one for the first time, and pulled out the pin, my hand became "numb", and I did not throw it, it will be very loudly said, but threw it a little further 10 meters according to my feelings. ...

        Yes, that's right, there is such a topic, my hands also became cottony on the first throw of a combat grenade, though I threw it very far away, from the bottom of my heart, 10 meters for the target from the barrels, adrenaline affected, I almost didn’t stretch my joints, I need to get used to the grenade . good
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 8 February 2014 13: 23
        +5
        Quote: Alex 241
        I think this is the first time they have survived.

        Hello, namesake! The bird is visible by flight, the pros - by koment. But, to the point.
        When a military grenade is thrown by adults this is one thing, but when a RGD is in the hand of a Suvorov soldier - a 14-15 year old boy - is another. Everything was like yours. I was numb when I heard the "fuse cap" ... And then thoughts flew faster than a steam locomotive. Only a sharp command of the training officer "Grenade - FIRE!" brought out of the stupor. He threw it with all his heart.
        Being already a "big makatuk" he always came to the practical grenade throwing of the MP units. I told this incident from my cadet youth. Both officers and marines listened to him and questioned him. But only one battalion commander gave the command to screw in combat fuses into training F-1s and simulate throwing with "combat" ones. Three were unable to unclench their hand, one (left-handed) shifted the grenade from hand to hand. After clicking, he threw it back 2 meters. The major then came to me with a bubble (we finished Kal.SVU, only at different times).
        I have a question: what, no one knew or what? Why is there no such preparatory exercise? After all, the moment of "parting" with the grenade is dangerous, and after the flight, at the RGD, the radius of destruction of 5 m is safer than underfoot.
        And further. Shoigu ordered in 5 times to increase the number of live firing and the use of standard weapons. I think after that our officers will have to go to RGDs less often, saving the lives of subordinates. IMHO.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 8 February 2014 15: 05
          +2
          Quote: Alex 241
          But as soon as he took the combat one for the first time, and pulled out the pin, the hand "became numb"

          Yeah, the identity was such a letter.
          repeat
          Hi Sanya.

          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          But only one battalion commander gave the command to screw in combat fuses into training F-1s and simulate throwing with "combat" ones.

          Alexander, in your phrase I remembered:
          One of the hardest grenade throwing exercises is ... from the tank.
          That's where the complete scribe is ...
          After an endless series of emergency situations, only training RGD-5 with combat UZRGM began to throw, and this is correct.
          I don’t know why, but this ... ahem, rubbish, always strove to dive back into the hatch ...
          request
    2. leks
      leks 8 February 2014 09: 22
      -5
      cobalt
      You write a shame on your forehead before posting a video, take an interest in how many Chinese soldiers die in exercises under normal conditions and at normal training grounds.
      1. cobalt
        cobalt 8 February 2014 10: 30
        +3
        So bring these statistics, if you have one, but at the same time in comparison with ours. At least that soldier in the video and the officer did not die or even get injured.
        1. leks
          leks 8 February 2014 10: 49
          -4
          cobalt
          I won’t be able to give you statistics, since I’ve been able to provide you with verified data, for which I will be able to answer you and say that they are true.
          But you also need to understand that in no Army there is no loss in the exercises, someone became disabled, someone died, I very much doubt that we have more state of emergency in the exercises than there are enough fools everywhere in China, and also I doubt that in China they strongly punish for the death of someone, they also try to smear their part.
          Of all countries, it is probably only in the USA and Israel that they give such motions, that is, they investigate and punish the guilty, up to the disbandment of the unit.
    3. alone
      alone 8 February 2014 12: 47
      +3
      The instructor amazed with his reaction. The young man. At the same time he saved the rotozey conscript. But the comfrey was built according to all the rules. And as you can see, nobody is next to them.
  18. vlad0
    vlad0 8 February 2014 09: 06
    +7
    Indeed, our reward system in the last twenty years has lost its main quality - objectivity. What is it worth the distribution of stars of Heroes recent militants in Chechnya.
    For that, an officer who has given the army more than 20 years somewhere in the Transbaikal region, in the north, etc., often hears a resume for performances: "The time is not right now," "The limit of awards has been exhausted" or "let him negotiate with the personnel officers."
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 8 February 2014 09: 29
      +3
      That's right Vlad! Recently, I watched the replay of the program Zvezda for Stinger, also relevant ... "cut off" to put it mildly.
  19. RUS96
    RUS96 8 February 2014 09: 24
    +6
    Kadyvorov Hero of Russia !!! ??? Yes, with what a fright! Politics no more than.
  20. pahom54
    pahom54 8 February 2014 09: 39
    +7
    You deviate a little from the topic in your reasoning, guys. The essence of the article is not in the teacher, the policeman and the major who rushed to the grenade. The essence of the article and the cry of the author’s soul lies precisely in the depreciation of Russian awards ... Although it should be surprising, in the USSR, too, a small fraction of the highest awards diverged by thieves and special orders.
    And about modern awards I can say this. The Order of St. Andrew the First-Called and the star of the Hero of Russia are the highest distinctions of modern Russia. After Dimon awarded the Sword-Humpbacked one with this order, well, read up to the heap, who else is there, how to relate to this order ??? But DAM needed only to carefully read the status of the order before handing it.
    The same with the heroes of Russia. The worst thing is that after you see the stars of the heroes on the chest of people who ABSOLUTELY DO NOT SERVE this high award, you unwittingly start to be suspicious of anyone with a similar insignia on their tunic (jacket).
    Or just try to get into the skin of a military officer, who was four times represented to the rank of Hero, for the fifth time they nevertheless presented and assigned, but at the same time receives the title parquet sharkun. How does this honored officer feel ??? Did DAM or GDP think about this at least once? I think no.
    And note - well-deserved, military awards, well-deserved people very rarely put on and show in public, but those awarded in terms of pull and limit always shine like New Year trees.
    In general, over 20 years (this is generally a miserable period), we managed to introduce a new award system and reduce its value to zero. Is it time to introduce a new system, or what? So for five years she will be dirtied ...
  21. RUSS
    RUSS 8 February 2014 09: 41
    +3
    According to investigators, the teacher wanted to stop the student with a weapon and he shot, so they considered the teacher’s act courageous. The teacher of the order is worthy of course a controversial issue, but it is a pity for the native teachers and police officers, I know what it is when you lose young relatives.
  22. Frate
    Frate 8 February 2014 09: 48
    +7
    How many times have I come across a misunderstanding, and sometimes an aggressive response, when I touched on the topic of devaluation of awards. Bitterly, but it is gratifying that for the first time in many years I have met like-minded people in this matter. It began, as always, a little in ancient times. I personally observed how they drove for several days in a “box” under heavy security escort by a photojournalist from the APN (there was such a famous agency in the USSR). The civilian man, of course, was not just in a real combat situation. A week later, he flew to Moscow. Later, my fellow soldiers and I turned up at the author’s photo vernissage of this photographer. I really liked his work. Done masterfully. But, an unpleasant aftertaste from this meeting remained with all colleagues - for this trip, the author of the pictures was awarded the Order of the Red Star! The status of this order, I hope, have not been forgotten! I know dozens of such numbers. But, with handfuls and handfuls, they began to scatter awards under Yeltsin. An eloquent example of the 93rd year, when during well-known events, “due to inconsistency of actions, armed clashes occurred between the“ Tamanians ”and the armored personnel carriers of the“ Dzerzhinsky ”, between the“ Dzerzhinsky ”and the armed people from the“ Union of Afghanistan Veterans ”, who also took part in conflict on the side of Yeltsin. There were dead and wounded, both among soldiers and among casual passers-by.
    Those participating in these clashes were awarded orders and medals, some were awarded the title “Hero of the Russian Federation” (Wikipedia). Sorry for the fighters!
    Very sorry! But, after all, this is not a reward, but an excuse - they shot each other - hold the order! Nowadays, at every step: they shot a policeman (policeman) - the order of courage! So with the unfortunate teacher. Now the media write that at the cost of his life he protected children. But, after all, we were informed that the guy was going to specifically kill the teacher. He entered, shot, pulled up the GBR - he met them with fire - an advantageous position from the window - did not have time to dismount, as they came under fire. For negligence excuse reward.
  23. cat 1970
    cat 1970 8 February 2014 10: 01
    +9
    Yes, the question is very complicated. Especially the case with Major S. Solnechnikov, one way or another he saved the lives of soldiers (actually boys) and I am still inclined to believe that he received the title of Hero of Russia deservedly, acted as an officer, so let him at least have a normal family (sorry, maybe cynically sounds) lives. With a policeman, a different kind of difficulty, so much dirt was poured on the police (and is still pouring) that now a crazy trembling of the extremities begins with any emergency, especially in the manual. First of all, they think about themselves, so as not to rake a resignation, to transfer the solution of the problem to another. Here are the questions why they did not call the SOBR, the capture of an armed criminal is his competence, why ordinary cops were sent (here you can raise questions of combat training, equipment, etc.). Who is to blame, one thing is clear - to a minimum extent, the deceased policeman and especially the teacher. While awarding, someone really covered up not professionalism, but maybe negligence, but now I would not discuss the correctness of the award.
    The author correctly raised the problem, but it seems to me that he chose the examples incorrectly. I want to consider it from a different perspective or in questions.
    Why is it necessary to write a certain number of "exploits" of a serviceman or policeman in the application for a State award, and not one specific one (for example, the medal "For Courage" - 4-5 episodes of "heroism", the medal of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, 2nd degree, already 7-8 episodes, etc.). During the Second World War, they were awarded immediately and for a specific episode, no one gives an explanation, they show with a gesture - an instruction from above.
    On Khankala another flourishing 8-10 applications flourished - leave 2 in electronic form, otherwise they won’t sign anything, and there they simply change their names to others and that's it. Decent officers gave applications written on them, less - soldiers, but somehow, someone deserving of an award remained nothing.
    In 1995, the Order of Courage could be purchased for two camouflage, so this order is not particularly loved. Is it time to verify the authenticity of the awards, especially with former and current officials. After all, lies in the small, gives rise to lies in the big. For example, what was my surprise when the new Minister of EMERCOM of Russia V.A. was appointed Puchkova, read in his track record that he was involved in the elimination of a terrorist attack using chlorine in 2000 in Grozny. The fact itself was, but there couldn’t be any kind of liquidation of the consequences of the chlorine attack in the combat zone in early January 2000.
    And the last, insult, is known from the Regulations on Awards - it is impossible to assign a medal of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, 1st degree, if the person represented does not have a medal of 2nd degree, and even more so, the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, 1st degree, if not 2,3,4 , 1 degrees. So why are they rewarding artists, scientists, officials, etc. at the annual Presidential award, people, albeit honored, but as if standing on a different stage? They can be awarded at once with 4 degree, without any problems, and a deceased officer, who has fulfilled his duty to the end, cannot be awarded the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, 1 degrees (although he had medals of the order of 2 and 5 degrees), as I see then on the same scientist, artist, official, alive and well, who jumped immediately over XNUMX steps. Maybe the confusion in the assignment of State awards from there?
    I apologize for the somewhat messy narrative and the incompleteness of the questions raised.
  24. Owl
    Owl 8 February 2014 10: 04
    +3
    In the statutes of state awards, everything is written for what merits, who can be represented and awarded. Those bosses who represent and those who appropriate, unfortunately, according to the law, are almost not responsible for their actions, only the Human Law remains, and it does not mean anything for the majority of "businessmen from power". I introduced myself and was awarded (in the war) and I am sorry for the country where the Order of Courage is awarded as a badge to athletes, deputies and shepherds, and the Hero of Russia is awarded for saving a barn from a fire and as a farmer's gift to the son of the chief mufti of the Chechen Republic.
  25. rotmistr4
    rotmistr4 8 February 2014 10: 07
    0
    Somewhere I heard the phrase that almost every feat is a violation of charters, orders, instructions.
    And often leaders taking off their guilt reward the dead and wounded !!!
  26. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 8 February 2014 10: 11
    +1
    That's right, modern Russian awards are worth nothing, if only due to the fact that they are awarded to almost anyone, the authorities are again trying to take the masses, again medals "by the date" are worth nothing, the awarding of extremely dubious personalities like Gorbachev, Yeltsin, etc. , also does not add value to them. "Costumed" again, traitors from the ROA, prisoners of war for what medals and awards? And one more question, all the surviving veterans hardly occupied the highest command positions, where, in theory, you can get medals for one or more other brilliant tactical and strategic decisions, lieutenants and below survived, where did they get so many medals? What needs to be done? Liberate Prague alone? Or alone, armed with one screwdriver, destroy the entire 501 heavy tank battalion? It looks ridiculous. I saw American, British veterans, they do not have such a heap of awards, a maximum of one or two, but speaking about the Germans, in theory, they should have the same number of awards, but I have not seen this either.
  27. iulai
    iulai 8 February 2014 10: 22
    +8
    I agree completely! Well, for example, for the homeland did Pugacheva, Dolina, Kirkorov Phil and many others from show business? Which youth remembers Zykina? Time passed and forgot it. Yes, any bricklayer for the country has done more than the people from the show! Somehow Vinokur and Leshchenko performed at the festival, so they have all their breasts in orders! For what ?
    1. mak210
      mak210 8 February 2014 11: 46
      +1
      Here are Kobzon’s awards: orders - 20, medals - 24. I personally don’t really like him, but the taste and color ... If he puts everything on, he will be like Zhukov, and this does not count the badges: honored, popular (15 pieces).

      Definitely, the man is authoritative and correct (remember Vysotsky's funeral), it's not for nothing that he is not given a visa to the United States. But a medal for Nord-Ost? They would be ashamed. Why was there gas? It is necessary to lay a mine and a half tons and that's all. Interestingly, who received the order for the battleship "Novorossiysk"?
  28. iulai
    iulai 8 February 2014 10: 25
    +1
    In Germany under Hitler, more than 6 awards were forbidden to be worn on the chest.
  29. creak
    creak 8 February 2014 10: 51
    +6
    I allow myself to disagree with the fact that the devaluation of awards occurred during the late Brezhnev and continued under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. It all started much earlier when in the forties they began to award military orders and medals for the length of service for those who were not even at the front, but simply wore epaulets: 25 years - the Order of Lenin, 20 years - the Order of the Red Banner of Battle, etc. downward ... How front-line soldiers felt themselves at the same time is not difficult to guess. In addition, there were cases of not just devaluation, just profanity - the distinguished cotton grower H. Tursunkulov was awarded the SIX orders of Lenin ... Not all marshals had such an iconostasis, and how these high yields were achieved is now known ... This is not a devaluation and profanity is my father, who started the war as an ordinary and ended as captain of a company commander, as he said that during the whole war only 4 people received the Order of Lenin in the division, and the division didn’t leave the battle all the time and was redeployed twice due to heavy losses ... So let’s be objective - we don’t have to blame only the Gorbachev and Yeln and the current leaders for blaming the awards ... In this regard, the experience of the Russian Empire would be useful to me - all orders received for military merit were given only with the image of swords - so that you can see for what deeds the award was received ... I wrote such a lengthy comment because this topic is close to me - a war veteran and the son of a front-line soldier and understandable ... But I agree with the main message - it’s time to restore order in the award system.
    PSThe author writing about state awards should remember - although the BADGE and not the order should be written through O.
  30. buzer
    buzer 8 February 2014 11: 53
    +2
    The author of the article focuses only on the question "what are the awards for?" Maybe you should also think about the question "who gives the awards?" Maybe you should also think about the question "and who initiates the question of providing a specific person for the award?" Maybe you should also think about the question "who drew up and adopted the laws governing the awarding of orders and medals?" Maybe it's worth canceling all these orders and medals altogether? I personally would not regret medals for my school teachers ... No matter for what ... No matter that some nervous sucker killed them in class ... Or simply because they chose such a profession, which I would not for which I would not choose ...
  31. demotivator
    demotivator 8 February 2014 12: 04
    0
    Quote: pahom54
    The Order of St. Andrew the First-Called and the star of the Hero of Russia are the highest distinctions of modern Russia. After Dimon awarded this Order of the Sword-Humpbacked one, well, read up to the heap, who else is there, how to relate to this order ???

    If in the XVIII century and, perhaps, until the middle of the XIX century, domestic senior officials were awarded the Order of St. Andrew mainly for specific deeds: the military - for victories in battles, the civilians - for the successful signing of the contract, etc., then, Until 1917, awards were awarded for the “totality of merit”, in fact, for the length of service. Moreover, the award was given to quite elderly people who had served in the ranks for more than 50 years. This does not detract from the merits of the awarded, but speaks of the emerging trend in the award system of the Russian Empire.
    To date, 1060 people awarded the Order of St. St. Andrew the First-Called in the previous version. According to the Decree of the first President of the Russian Federation B. I. Yeltsin of July 1, 1998, the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called was restored as the highest state award of our country.
    The first presentation of the Order of the New Time took place on October 1, 1998 - “For outstanding contribution to the development of national culture” to Academician D. S. Likhachev. How many awards followed then, I don’t know for sure. Among his gentlemen there are Gorbachev, and Nazarbayev, and Kalashnikov, and Alexy II, as well as many others. others. It seems that there are about a dozen of them.
  32. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 8 February 2014 12: 12
    +1
    From the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 2, 1994 442 (as amended by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of January 6, 1999 No. 19):
    “The Order of Courage is awarded to citizens for their selflessness, courage and courage shown in saving people, protecting public order, fighting crime, during natural disasters, fires, catastrophes and other extraordinary circumstances, as well as for daring and decisive acts committed in the performance of military, civil or official duty in conditions involving a risk to life. "
    Article 89 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    President of Russian Federation:
    b) award state awards of the Russian Federation, confer honorary titles of the Russian Federation, the highest military and higher special ranks;
    On the topic, it is understandable that the GDP rewards, but who provides the list of documents to the personnel body of the Ministry when initiating applications for awards and moves forward? During the terrorist attack in Volgograd, police officer Dmitry Makovkin stopped the terrorist at the entrance to the station building, no words! Glory, respect and eternal memory! And now I can’t even discuss it, I know better upstairs ... Regards to all!
  33. demotivator
    demotivator 8 February 2014 12: 48
    +2
    Quote: buzer
    Maybe you should also think about the question "who gives the awards?"

    I gave you a plus for your attitude to the TEACHER. In this I agree one hundred percent, the teacher today, and there is always a figure number 1. So, the majority on this site with deep reverence refers to the president of the country - Putin V.V. And this is understandable - a person reached the pinnacle of power, became the president of a great power. And who knows his first teacher (I think it was a woman), who laid in him everything that is necessary for such growth? Mom and Dad tell us, why not teachers? It would be my will, I would, without fail, in the biographies of the leaders of the state, also reflect those who taught them, led them, so to speak, through life. It seems to me that this is correct - we worship the leader, we will bow to his teachers.
  34. alone
    alone 8 February 2014 12: 50
    +2
    State awards, especially military ones, should be given out strictly for a specific deed. Here then the award retains its value.
  35. Stinger
    Stinger 8 February 2014 13: 10
    0
    As for the second case, I did not understand. What was he supposed to hide behind a frightened soldier? The action is certainly heroic. It’s akin to closing an embrasure with your body. And the perpetrators, I think, did not go unpunished for violations if they were.
  36. dmitrich
    dmitrich 8 February 2014 13: 19
    0
    Quote: IRBIS
    And this is a very old saying and it fully expresses our award system. I'll tell you a couple more, from the Second World War:
    1. The farther from the front, the higher the rewards.
    2. Masha for p ... du - "Krasnaya Zvezda", and Vanka for the attack - x ... th at mid..ku!
    And what is there to be offended if this is true!

    I understand everything, but why talk about the dead like that. The site Look is an article called, the FSB has denied the involvement of relatives of the schoolgirl who shot at Moscow in the security services, there is the answer of the XNUMXth grader Gordeev why he shot the teacher because the teacher wanted to take away the gun.
  37. thinking
    thinking 8 February 2014 14: 13
    +1
    I looked through the comments and was surprised, no one remembered the reward system under Stalin, when it was clearly signed and indicated who and for what specifically, could be presented for the corresponding award.
  38. Bene valete
    Bene valete 8 February 2014 14: 46
    +1
    Yes, gentlemen, what did you want ...? It all started back in the 90s (or rather, even at the end of the 80s), until which officer epaulets, awards and orders still meant something, but then when the officers of the Armed Forces, the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs swore allegiance to the USSR silently watched as a bunch of crooks ruined the country (the one which swore allegiance to the last ...)
    That’s the result of neither epaulettes, nor ranks, nor awards simply mean anything; they simply are handed out as badges.
  39. tank64rus
    tank64rus 8 February 2014 14: 51
    +2
    What is going on with us in the reward system is only God and very important people know that in the USSR, well, now it's quite fun. In 1986, I was introduced to Krasnaya Zvezda for the 4th unit of the ChNPP. Everything is gone and gone. We wait. Okay. I wrote to the Presidential Administration in 2005 and asked to find out if this was a performance, they transferred the performance to the Moscow Region, and there the response, according to the President's instructions, the awarding of Chernobyl victims was temporarily suspended. ChNPP. In 2006 they summoned them to the military registration and enlistment office and asked why you do not have an award for the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Once again, they presented the truth to the medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd degree, well, I think this time they will be awarded. Seven years have passed. I'm waiting. You know why this happens. Because everything is decided in our headquarters and above, the company officer, platoon officer and soldier can see everything there. But above there already miracles begin in the sieve. About five years ago, the fighting children of Afghans were awarded with Soviet orders and medals. Everything is deserved, but why did they wait twenty years for these long-deserved awards of theirs, and how many did not wait. Therefore, it is difficult for a real military officer and soldier to receive a well-deserved award, but it is easy for the "necessary" people and this is a verdict for our award system.
  40. Bene valete
    Bene valete 8 February 2014 14: 53
    0
    And about the awards for essentially their work ... it’s our reality that no one wants to work, Damn all consumers!
    Joke ... remember ...
    The guy got a job in a fire and writes to his father ...
    Work class. I sleep and rest for a day, but like a fire, even quit ...!))))
  41. Support
    Support 8 February 2014 16: 12
    0
    I agree with the articles! How many guys in certain conditions in the Chechen mess and even now show themselves .... silence. And here?
  42. Des10
    Des10 8 February 2014 17: 27
    0
    the teachers of the deceased - in our time, and this profession is becoming a risky group, ... and the police - in the former service, on a signal, together, not suddenly, were at the sight of a boy. The result ... an assessment of their professional qualities.
    Their rewards are to support their families.
    But with the teacher ... - here the title has long been reduced. But a person is formed by a family and a teacher - the beginning and the foundation in life. He wasn’t in military service, he didn’t receive special training, he wasn’t warned of the danger, and the children were nearby ...
    And here it is to him deserved. A teacher cannot die at work.
    A guard who did not allow a child with a screw could die; policemen could have died, having prevented a crime or having acted competently - this could be, unfortunately, in their profession.
    Teacher - D.B. - live. But he accepted death.
  43. siberalt
    siberalt 8 February 2014 19: 41
    +2
    The author of the article raised a very topical topic. With the advent of liberods, we began a continuous Kin-dza-dza. Communism for themselves, of course, they built. And the fact that there is a devaluation of state awards, ranks and ranks is a fact. Breaking into power, unscrupulous mediocre cynics overnight became generals, colonels, state advisers of justice, certainly doctors of science and, of course, people's artists. For the usual conscientious performance of work or official duty, of a paid state, awards pour as if from a cornucopia. The salaries of departmental superiors are unlimited. Why in the Ministry of Emergencies for 135 firefighters needed generals. Then how many deputies and other ranks they have, including public relations managers who put out fires - is not a royal matter? At the same time, thousands and thousands of worthy workers, honestly, for decades performing their civic duty for a living wage and heroes who have accomplished a feat, the authorities do not want to see point blank.
    The author is a huge plus!
  44. alpenstock
    alpenstock 9 February 2014 03: 19
    +1
    what medals does the author have?
  45. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 February 2014 04: 28
    +1
    The article makes you think. Indeed, in fact, the teacher and the police did not stop this student, and after their murder he could calmly kill further. By the same logic, it is possible to distribute awards to all victims of the gunshot and criminals in general. Probably to understand the value of the award as such, you need to grow.
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 9 February 2014 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      Probably to understand the value of the award as such, you need to grow.

      General L.Ya. Rokhlin refused the star of the hero of Russia, the leader of the rock group Alisa KE Kinchev from the medal "Defender of Free Russia", two seemingly huge differences, but there were concepts (sorry for the comparison and slogan) ...
      1. military
        military 10 February 2014 11: 06
        0
        Quote: Nikoha.2010
        General L.Ya. Rokhlin refused the star of the hero of Russia, the leader of the rock group Alisa KE Kinchev from the medal "Defender of Free Russia", two seemingly huge differences, but there were concepts (sorry for the comparison and slogan) ...

        there is another contingent ... "from the majority" ...
        Order of Merit for the Fatherland (2013)
        ..............
        Siluanov Anton Germanovich - (Ministry of Finance)
        Manturov Denis Valentinovich - (Ministry of Industry and Trade)
        Zadornov Mikhail Mikhailovia - (VTB 24)
        Usmanov Alisher Burkhanovich - (Gazprominvestholding)
        Shaevich Adolf Solomonovich - (Chief Rabbi of Russia)
        Yudashkin Valentin Abramovich - (fashion designer)
        ..............
  46. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 9 February 2014 13: 07
    0

    Those who defended and defend their homeland do not think about the rewards! God grant that the reward itself finds a hero!