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General return to their homeland? The Poles took to the dismantling of the monument to the Soviet commander

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General return to their homeland? The Poles took to the dismantling of the monument to the Soviet commander

The Council of the Polish city of Penenzhno decided to dismantle the monument to General Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky, who died during the liberation of the city 69 years ago.


A sculpture with a bas-relief was erected on the outskirts of the city in 70-s. The Polish side proposes to transfer it to Russia or transfer it to a nearby military cemetery.

Consensus on this issue the members of the Council of the city of Penenzhno managed to reach with the third attempt. The proposal to dismantle the monument for two years was put to the vote three times, and only now it was supported by the majority - seven of the thirteen council members. Parsing the monument is not easy and requires money. However, thanks to publications in the local press, the city council received proposals from sponsors who are ready to provide funding for the project, which - also free of charge - will be carried out in one of the architectural bureaus. Such unanimity is explained by the fact that twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky in Poland, is considered not the liberator, but the commander of the operation to liquidate local units of the Home Army.

According to local historians, "the general played a negative role with regard to Poland and the Poles." The further fate of the monument depends on Russia - in accordance with the bilateral agreement of 1994, the Commissioner for the Preservation of the Memory of Fight and Martyrdom, authorized to settle such issues, should seek the consent of the Russian side. According to the Polish edition of Gazeta Wyborcza, Council Secretary Andrzej Kunert even before the adoption of the relevant decision signaled to the city authorities that their initiative would be supported. “During consultations with the Russian side, we will offer them to take away a bust or any other element of the monument if they have a desire,” the newspaper quotes him. Meanwhile, the Kaliningrad media report that the region is ready to take patronage over the monument to Chernyakhovsky, who made an enormous contribution to the capture of Soviet troops in 1945, the fortress and the city of Königsberg. Governor Nikolai Tsukanov instructed the head of the regional international affairs agency to go to Poland to discuss the situation.

As told to "RG" great-granddaughter of General Chernyakhovsky Neonil Vedoshchenko, the family learned about the plans of the city authorities to dismantle the monument from the issue News. "We are afraid to talk about this Neonila Ivanovna - the daughter of the commander - this could be a real blow for her," - says Neonila Jr. The descendants of the general are waiting for news: how will the fate of the monument ultimately be decided, will the Russian side agree to dismantle it. However, the family of Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky is not accustomed to holding the blow. According to the great-granddaughter, in the 90s the family did not find in the Museum of the Armed Forces most of the awards of the deceased general, which were once handed over by his widow Anastasia Grigoryevna.


Granddaughter of commander Anastasia at the monument, taken out from Vilnius to Voronezh. Photo: from the Chernyakhovsky family archive


Daughters of Ivan Danilovich Neonile reported that they were lost when the museum moved to 1965. Years later, another version was presented to his son Oleg: the awards, including the orders of Suvorov, Kutuzov, Bogdan Khmelnitsky, disappeared into the "dashing 90". When the great-granddaughter turned with a corresponding request, it turned out that the awards had been stolen from the museum at the end of the 50-s, and the criminal case, if it had been opened, had obviously not developed. At least, there is still no answer, where the awards of an outstanding commander, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, and whether anyone was responsible for their loss is unknown. As for the monument in Penenzhno, the family does not know how, with such an attitude of local people, it can remain in Poland, even in a military cemetery. Those close to the general would prefer that he be in Russia - in Kaliningrad or any other city liberated by troops under the command of Chernyakhovsky.

The news that Poland wants to get rid of the monument to the Soviet general arrived just in time - in two weeks the family will remember their father, grandfather and great-grandfather, because he died on February 18 1945 of the year. The daughter of the commander Neonila Ivanovna recalled in an interview with a RG correspondent: “At six in the morning, our housekeeper came into my room and turned off the radio. I immediately woke up, saw that she was crying, and realized that something had happened. My first the thought was that the misfortune happened to my mother. We were just waiting for her, she had to come from the front ... That something happened to my father did not even occur to me. He was in such alterations - a bullet pierced raincoats, an overcoat, a cap - but I’ve never even been injured. Later I left the room and saw that we had sitting representative of the Main Political Directorate. He said: "Get ready. At such a time, a plane will be waiting for you. You will fly to Vilnius. "How? Why? Why? Then it became clear that his father died, that Stalin ordered him buried in Lithuania." Chernyakhovsky’s youngest son Oleg Ivanovich explained: “When the father’s troops took Vilnius, he ordered not to use heavy weapons, no aerial bombs and other things. Vilnius was almost not destroyed - the troops took it with minimal losses for the city to save the capital of Lithuania. Apparently, therefore, Stalin decided that the father should stay with the fraternal Lithuanian people. "

The place for burial was inappropriate - the very center of the city, restaurants, shops, a place of festivities. At the end of 40, the commander’s widow turned to the Lithuanian government with the request that the ashes of Ivan Danilovich be allowed to be transported to Moscow. But this was only possible in 1991. Today, near the bust of Chernyakhovsky, the work of Soviet sculptor E.V. Vucheticha at the Novodevichy cemetery is a marble slab, which lists the city, the release of which commanded the general. And the monument, which stood in the center of Vilnius, was transported to Voronezh, a city liberated by the troops of the 60 Army under the command of Chernyakhovsky, solely thanks to the efforts of the Voronezh citizens themselves and the Russian military, who took the sculpture from Lithuania and, thus, saved the "bronze general" from melting .
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 4 February 2014 09: 55
    +18
    And the hell had to lay the lives of hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers in POLAND — it would be better if the Poles themselves would have freed themselves from the VERMAHT FORCES if, of course, they had survived after the punitive actions of SS GIMLER soldiers.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 February 2014 10: 03
      +22
      quote-The Council of the Polish city of Penenzhno decided to dismantle the monument to General Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky, who died during the liberation of the city of 69 years ago.

      A sculpture with a bas-relief was erected on the outskirts of the city in 70-s. The Polish side proposes to transfer it to Russia or transfer it to a nearby military cemetery.

      Let Russia take the monument and install it in the city of Hero Moscow. soldier
      Poland is not worthy. am
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 4 February 2014 10: 21
        +12
        In Poland, now every second-local historian! Disrespect for the memory of the fallen liberators indicates only one thing! Spiritual and moral degradation western european society! (I write with a little, with a big too much honor) !!!

        Jug of life!

        We know the cherished truth!
        A miracle is given to us from above
        A jug filled with life
        If wine splashes in it!

        Someone with a careless hand
        I hit the jug lightly.
        And through the smallest cracks
        Blood flowed like wine!

        Drop by drop in a trickle
        Wine takes life!
        But just try to touch
        The bottom will fall off immediately !!!

        Chain of Young Recruits
        Precisely covered mortar!
        Like an oblique sparkling
        Machine gun cuts the grass!

        The bangs are swaying in the wind
        A look of eyes runs across the sky.
        Bullet under the heart right through
        The wounded warrior lies!

        Mines hot shard
        Pain pierced the vertebra
        Red, valuable fluid
        Spray goes into the sand.

        I would give everything
        To save a guy, but
        Just try to touch ...
        ....................................... !!!

        FALLING WARRIORS dedicated!
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 4 February 2014 12: 48
          +6
          Quote: Arberes
          Disrespect for the memory of the fallen liberators indicates only one thing! Spiritual and moral degradation

          Poland makes another fatal mistake. For if they forget who liberated them and who destroyed them, then history can once again refresh their memory ..
          1. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson 4 February 2014 18: 28
            +1
            I don’t think we’ll save them now. Poland 3 times in the Middle Ages was cut out different to cart checks, but now, the Paskuda still find growth. Even if there will be frank genocide over them, the Kurva is the Kurva, where they are up to humanity.
          2. Kvass
            Kvass 4 February 2014 23: 13
            +1
            Oh, let them dismantle. We honor our Heroes, which means we need a monument. Honestly, we got it already, psheks.
      2. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 4 February 2014 14: 03
        +4
        Pans still sour from the time of Minin and Pozharsky caught ... pendyurili them, pendyurit and we will continue ..
        1. Salamander
          Salamander 4 February 2014 18: 19
          +2
          Yeah, I understand Pshek, they rush, rush, they slowly hate Russians, and bronze Chernyakhovsky looks at them from the pedestal, like at insects. Of course, they want to remove this monument from sight! But, I think, in any Russian city it will be enthusiastically received and delivered by local residents.

          And psheki - psheki not for the first time showed their true colors. Old Churchill was right when he called Poland "the hyena of Europe", oh, how right ...
          1. Salamander
            Salamander 4 February 2014 18: 22
            +3
            Jokes about the Poles:

            - Do you know how the Polish parachute is activated?
            - It opens automatically when it hits the ground.

            ***

            - How to sink the Polish fleet?
            - Launch him into the water.

            ***

            A man enters the store, goes to the counter and asks for a pound of sausage and a dozen pies. The seller asks:
            “Are you obviously a Pole?”
            - And how did you guess? Probably for the products I have chosen?
            - No, only a Pole can ask for food in a china shop.


            ***

            Two old Poles reason:
            - Do you remember the film "Four Tankers and a Dog"?
            - Of course I remember, a true film, before not so much truth was shown about the Poles.
            - And what do you think, if we had two of these tanks, what then?
            - Yes, then we would have won the war without the Russians, and not only the Germans, but the Japanese would have won, you imagine, Polish tanks in the center of defeated Tokyo, both ...
            “No, I think the Russians knew all this from the very beginning, and that's why they gave us only one tank.”
            (http://zagrandom.ru/information/poland/732.phtml)
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 4 February 2014 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      And it was necessary to lay the hell on the lives of hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers in POLAND — it would be better if the Poles would release themselves from the WERMAHT WAR ..

      And what had to be done? Go around Poland, leaving the strongest Wehrmacht group on its flank?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 4 February 2014 13: 31
        +1
        That’s what we take care of the lives of our soldiers.
        The Germans would have been defeated anyway.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 4 February 2014 14: 43
          +1
          Quote: The same Lech
          That’s what the lives of our soldiers were to be taken care of. The Germans would have been defeated anyway.

          "Would" .., "must" ...
          Speak exactly on the subject. You are not on the Maidan.
          Was the Vistula-Oder operation necessary or not?
          Where did you get "hundreds of thousands of lives"
          hell had to lay the lives of hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers in POLAND

          ?
          Do you even know that the irreversible losses of the Red Army in this operation, one of the lowest in the war? As a percentage of the total number of troops involved.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 4 February 2014 18: 33
            +1
            What do I need your interest for every percentage of the human life and sorrow of our mothers, wives, children who lost their fathers and sons.
            You are aware that after the ARDEN pogrom of the Allies, our offensive was postponed earlier, which means that the troops were not allowed to prepare properly, and this is an inevitable increase in casualties among military personnel.
            We all pretend to be strategists - forgetting that the generals assign victories and ordinary soldiers and officers pay for them with their lives, and you are talking about which MAIDAN you are carrying, which I don’t bet.
            1. Bigriver
              Bigriver 5 February 2014 18: 21
              0
              Quote: The same Lech
              What do I need your interest for every percentage of the human life and sorrow of our mothers, wives, children who lost their fathers and sons ...

              Fortunately, stars are also appropriated for chatter.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 6 February 2014 02: 46
                0
                INCLUDING YOURS.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 4 February 2014 13: 25
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      And the hell had to lay the lives of hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers in POLAND — it would be better if the Poles themselves would have freed themselves from the VERMAHT FORCES if, of course, they had survived after the punitive actions of SS GIMLER soldiers.


      otherwise it didn’t work out. Poland is on its way to Berlin.

      it is necessary to chip in the transfer of all Polish graves to Poland. and then take a place.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 4 February 2014 13: 36
        +3
        Bash - on - bash. We will take out the monument ourselves, and let them rebury their own. Although this is utter stupidity ....
      2. Gur
        Gur 4 February 2014 14: 57
        +4
        On the one hand, I wouldn’t like to be like, on the other hand, I don’t see another option to poke this scum with our nose, that we can do anything with their memory, why we actually have to endure their graves on our land, let them take out and clean us Katyn, there are also buried officers who took part in the extermination of Russian soldiers in 20 years. And I think that the government, or who is responsible for it there, should have long ceased to chew snot, with such manifestations wherever it is tough and decisive.
    4. AVV
      AVV 4 February 2014 14: 57
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      And the hell had to lay the lives of hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers in POLAND — it would be better if the Poles themselves would have freed themselves from the VERMAHT FORCES if, of course, they had survived after the punitive actions of SS GIMLER soldiers.

      They probably liked the German choice in the concentration camps of the Germans, so let these dol, ban Pshekov and the treasury be like drushlags full of holes and empty !!! And where will Russia find a monument to the hero !!!
  2. JonnyT
    JonnyT 4 February 2014 10: 03
    +15
    They feel that our hands are tied with the Olympiad now, and they’ve become bolder!
    The Poles do not remember kindness ..... Soviet soldiers brought them freedom, and their descendants "thank" us for this .... sad!
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 4 February 2014 11: 17
      +10
      The Poles do not remember kindness ....


      And who remembers her from those peoples whom the Russians helped?
      Balts, Ukrainians, Georgians, Bulgarians, Central Asians, Caucasians, Tatars, Chinese?
      Who?
      Somehow we are helping other nations, both abroad and within Russia, to small nations that they become Russophobes, or even direct enemies of the Russians.
      It can take the experience of Americans, first of all, think about yourself and do for yourself the Russian, Russian people, and only then, to the benefit of yourself, help others.
      Maybe then we will be respected and not considered DUAKami, which "you can turn around" and fuck us.
      1. UpgradeComplete
        UpgradeComplete 4 February 2014 16: 50
        +1
        And you need to start with the Ukrainians! that everyone is crying, little brothers are bending)) well, little brothers ... Let them knock each other, Slavs, Poles are also Slavs, only shitty and dumb, just like hoh ly)
      2. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 5 February 2014 21: 59
        0
        that's what they fear. Unfortunately, only war can unite the Russians. And in peacetime, for some reason, we go brother to brother, for some pro-Indian norms of justice, foolishly climb to be friends with other peoples, forgetting that it is we who will get a knife in the back. When the Russians unite, there will be a big war, comrades. Perhaps for some it will be the last, even pathetic, but "we accept the battle." soldier
  3. pahom54
    pahom54 4 February 2014 10: 06
    +15
    Pshek remain pshkami, that is, embittered mongrels rushing at Russia and trying to bite it. However, the big fails, and thank God. Providence is all the same, and I think when their EU is in the dirt vpchet, this will be for them right.
  4. uizik
    uizik 4 February 2014 10: 16
    +14
    And after that I should treat the Poles well? Poles have a short memory! And you don’t have to crawl on your knees and ask for help from Russia!
  5. Asgard
    Asgard 4 February 2014 10: 19
    +12
    It’s sad to read.
    Real heroes are “defeated” after death, Western society needs drawn and invented “characters”, cinema promotes the saviors of humanity who speak English, they are sung by assans, but PEACE is getting worse ....
    So they are fighting with the dead (not only in the movies)) Bitterly ......
  6. Fin
    Fin 4 February 2014 10: 21
    +12
    The Council of the Polish city of Penenzhno decided to dismantle the monument to General Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky, who died during the liberation of the city 69 years ago.

    Pick up a monument and install in Kaliningrad on the street. Chernyakhovsky or in Chernyakhovsk itself. And let the Psheks erect monuments to their Anders, who are about to meet the Wehrmacht and liberate their homeland. Drained to warm edges. How did you get these Poles ...
  7. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 4 February 2014 10: 23
    +12
    If we could take this monument home when it’s crowded that we knew we don’t DROP! We’ll smash these creatures with hammers !!!!!!!!!!! am
  8. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 4 February 2014 10: 45
    -2
    One from the Poles ruin, loss and confusion. And what is characteristic, do we have a monument to the Polish general to transfer back?
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 4 February 2014 10: 47
      0
      There is on Khatina!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 12: 16
        +4
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        There is on Khatina!

        Fight with monuments? That's bullshit!
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 4 February 2014 15: 18
          +3
          I don’t argue that I myself wear the cross and the desecration of monuments is a sin! A man asked if I answered the monuments. But I had no bad thoughts! If anyone offended or hurt feelings, please apologize. recourse
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    3. Apollo
      Apollo 4 February 2014 11: 01
      +6
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Do we have a monument to the Polish general to transfer back?


      Russia is not Poland and will never fall to its level. this and greatness Russia. You’re minus.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 4 February 2014 11: 29
        -1
        The greatness of Russia is not in this; it’s your personal inventions, and this is minus you. Great Russia always punished those who came with a sword or other similar muck. And calls not to fall and become like are a sign of not smart weakness, such calls even at school beat constantly, and there is for what it is obvious. Such characters will definitely not be built for Great Russia, it will not be enough for the spirit, if only speculating on the greatness of their ancestors.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 4 February 2014 11: 55
          +1
          Quote: chunga-changa
          And calls not to fall and become like are not a sign of clever weakness,

          The answer to your rubbish-Silence is golden. Hold one more and hopefully the last minus, "philosopher".
          1. chunga-changa
            chunga-changa 4 February 2014 12: 01
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            The answer to your bullshit is Silence Gold

            That would be silent. Why go down to my level and become like?
        2. Bigriver
          Bigriver 4 February 2014 12: 16
          +5
          Quote: chunga-changa
          ... Great Russia always punished those who came with a sword or other similar muck. And calls not to fall and become like are a sign of not smart weakness, ..

          Do you offer to leave the monuments, or answer with a sword for petty dirty tricks?
          It is the Poles who now show a weakness with a pin on our historical memory.
          Nothing, count. Not evening.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 4 February 2014 12: 22
            +3
            Quote: BigRiver
            Do you offer to leave the monuments, or answer with a sword for petty dirty tricks?

            +
          2. chunga-changa
            chunga-changa 4 February 2014 12: 28
            +1
            It would be possible to leave, but it seems nothing.
            The Poles are preparing revenge; they don’t even hide it. It all starts with creating the image of the enemy - everything is in order with this. Demonizing him is also normal. And the struggle is still on its territory, which is happening. Such acts are already a war, and it is necessary to respond to them by any possible means. And to engage in complacency of the type - ha, they themselves are fools, and we keep proud silence. This is the way to the police and curfew in his city. Internet by the way will not be banned. Then, through big sacrifices, losses and a rollback in development, to win and return to normal life. Many great wars began because of insignificant occasions. It’s just that people were easier, they fought more often, they lived harder. Everyone understood that you would give the slightest slack and the neighbors would tear them to pieces, and for the rest of your life you would be hunched over or wave an oar at the galleys. Now, of course, everything is wrong. If anything, the UN will complain. They will put things in order there, you can continue to do nothing.
          3. starhina01
            starhina01 4 February 2014 14: 42
            +2
            Quote: BigRiver
            Nothing, count. Not evening.

            correctly good(will offend turn off the gas) am
    4. dmitrich
      dmitrich 4 February 2014 11: 05
      +5
      no need to be like idiots
    5. awg75
      awg75 4 February 2014 11: 13
      +6
      only monuments can fight monuments
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 4 February 2014 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: chunga-changa
        The greatness of Russia is not in this, and minus you.

        Including.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 4 February 2014 11: 57
          -1
          Well, convinced. No more cons. I will not go down and become like. I will quietly keep aside my greatness. It is so courageous, my ancestors are thrilled.
  9. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 4 February 2014 10: 48
    +4
    Idiocy is not treated. Take the monument to yourself and prohibit its return.
    1. cerko
      cerko 4 February 2014 11: 57
      +4
      I agree, pick up with all honors, a guard of honor, etc., with a crowd of zivak read the order on the eternal ban on the installation of the monument in Poland. in general, to make it clear that we are anxious about our history and traditions, what would we think from now on whether it’s worth climbing into our monastery with our charter
  10. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 4 February 2014 10: 51
    +3
    Poles took off to dismantle the monument to the Soviet commander

    "selfless", "generous", and "grateful" Poles ... It was necessary to "pull" until May 1945 to free them from the Nazis, so that the memory would be longer and the feeling of gratitude would not dull.
  11. Gronsky
    Gronsky 4 February 2014 11: 07
    +12
    This is all from national complexes. Strong and self-confident nations do not remove monuments.
    An example is Germany. Look at the condition there, the monuments to our soldiers.
    And Poland, Lithuania, and others like them, it’s so husky. They themselves know this, so they are furious.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 4 February 2014 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: Gronsky
      This is all from national complexes. Strong and self-confident nations do not remove monuments...

      That's it!
  12. Bagatur
    Bagatur 4 February 2014 11: 14
    +3
    To fight with the dead ... who needs it?
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 4 February 2014 11: 44
      +4
      Anyone who wants to rewrite history is not in favor of the Russians of course.
  13. Zapasnoy
    Zapasnoy 4 February 2014 11: 15
    +3
    A people who do not want to remember that they are also Slavs. Themselves record themselves as enemies of the Russian people (however, for a long time). Well, you can spit in a sleeping bear for a while, but then it will not seem enough. They’ll get theirs, remember, they’ll get nuts from us.
  14. ed65b
    ed65b 4 February 2014 11: 27
    +5
    It’s necessary to pick up. without tantrums and screams but remember for a long time. And the residents of the city of Smolensk need to hold a referendum and offer to pick up the Poles monument Kachinsky and his pack.
  15. Mhpv
    Mhpv 4 February 2014 11: 27
    +7
    The Curse of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, by Marghen Belevsk
    5.6.2009, 1: 05
    20 years of "Solidarity"
    http://www.inoforum.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=3769
    Verily, “Quos Deus perdere vult dementat prius” (whom God desires to destroy, he first loses his mind). The politicians who reincarnated the Commonwealth with its centuries-old curse are devoid of reason and are wrapped in a demon of exorbitant pride - like the Polish kings, as well as the leaders of the Second Commonwealth. And again, Poland, driven by crazy satanic offspring, is walking along an old rake to a familiar end. We have already gone through all the stages that accompany all attempts to get what Poland has neither the strength nor the talent for - the first successes in the wake of the weakness of neighbors, euphoria from success, loss of understanding with neighbors and the pace of economic development due to the arrogance of politicians, in the financial and economic crisis, debts to foreign banks and states, loss of political independence. All that remained was a natural and historically determined ending - a direct confrontation with neighbors for the sake of the interests of others and the personal ambitions of a number of politicians, after which a strain of forces and the partition of Poland by those very neighbors. And there is no one to blame for all this, except for ourselves. We, the Poles, ourselves deify our tribal curse - the Commonwealth, this eternal vampire, standing over and over from the grave and sucking the blood of the people for demonic ghosts.
  16. Des10
    Des10 4 February 2014 11: 28
    +5
    The transfer of the monument is no longer a local issue, the state one - where is the reaction of the Russian Federation?
    And so - sorry for the Poles and Poland. I am ashamed of them.
    1. Walking
      Walking 4 February 2014 15: 06
      +2
      Why feel sorry for them? They are not worth it.
  17. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 4 February 2014 12: 03
    +3
    Monument to pick up. Move to Kaliningrad. Solemnly install. With an inscription about the reasons for the transfer. And with these gandons to limit cultural ties. As they were mongrel, they remained ..., only the grave will correct the hunchback.
  18. shuhartred
    shuhartred 4 February 2014 12: 16
    0
    I’m wondering, what is it that Russia, at the level of the laws of nature, is forbidden to use the same techniques against other countries against us?
    1. RDS-1
      RDS-1 4 February 2014 15: 48
      +1
      Let's say your neighbor shit under your door. Answer him in the same way, or will you find other methods of influence? Moreover, tit for tat is not our method, we usually pay "for everything good" in bulk. On the aggregate of the deed.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 5 February 2014 11: 59
        0
        Quote: RDS-1
        Let's say your neighbor shit under your door. Answer him in the same way, or will you find other methods of influence? Moreover, tit for tat is not our method, we usually pay "for everything good" in bulk. On the aggregate of the deed.

        Invalid example. Relations between neighbors and between countries are not the same thing. Any, even the dirtiest, tricks are constantly used against Russia. Any opposition is constantly financed, arrogant interference in domestic politics is underway, any anti-Russian statements, actions and other movements of other countries are supported. Well, how are you going to pay for all this in bulk? Kernel loaves or what? So then all kirdyk. You need to do the same thing, because if you fight with your fists in a fight with a bat, I think you will also take care of finding the right weapon. Maybe a little off topic, but I’m tired of looking at how everyone kicks us and we are silent. Why do we then maintain the power structures and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and in general those who should do this?
        1. RDS-1
          RDS-1 5 February 2014 22: 45
          0
          Quote: shuhartred
          Well, how are you going to pay for all this in bulk? Kernel loaves or what?

          Well, why so radical? There are also other methods - according to the degree of impact on the enemy, the only one Gennady Onishchenko is no worse than a good vigorous loaf. But logs can, for example, be turned off next winter, as part of a cold treatment program. They will freeze, return to mind, and there it is already possible to ask for scolded monuments and to clarify who shot whom in Katyn, and for all the good, even from the time of False Dmitry, - in bulk.
  19. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 4 February 2014 12: 26
    +1
    Of course, Poland is not worthy, since they behave they are worthy only to get a big kick ...
  20. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 4 February 2014 12: 40
    +2
    According to local historians, "the general played a negative role in relation to Poland and the Poles."

    m-daaaaa ... Negative in release ??? Nonsense. Foolish people, and strive from the gateway to bite and hide again.
  21. Bigriver
    Bigriver 4 February 2014 13: 04
    +1
    Quote: chunga-changa
    ... The Poles are preparing revenge, they do not even hide it. It all starts with creating the image of the enemy - everything is in order with this. Demonizing him is also normal ...

    Ba-a-a-alshai and the mo-o-o-ostchnaya country of "prostitutes and waiters" threatens with revenge! Horror, darkness.
    They would very much like to be significant and important. But, small squabblers will remain as such.
    From that and rage.
    Despair is hopelessness.
  22. shelva
    shelva 4 February 2014 15: 24
    +1
    The heroic general died, freeing Europe from fascism, and here the reward - under the general yapping of the descendants of the liberated from fascism, get rid of the very mention of the liberator.
    In Europe, it is fashionable to think that they liberated themselves, and the Poles there too with their shaking army Craiova.
  23. emeldos2
    emeldos2 4 February 2014 16: 34
    +1
    The Polyakov Grandfathers and Grandmothers in the Graves are being turned over From Their Future Generation .. what a Shame They Bring to the Country of the One Who Granted Thousands and millions of Lives for Poland.
  24. tennis
    tennis 4 February 2014 16: 36
    +3
    The monument to Marshal Konev liberating Poland also did not suit the Poles. In the early 90s, with the active participation of the Marshal’s daughter, he was transferred from Krakow to the Marshal’s homeland in Kirov. It has been restored and installed on an area named after him.
  25. kelevra
    kelevra 4 February 2014 17: 24
    +1
    Bastards, they would have dismantled themselves! "Another Estonians, how much blood was shed for their lands for their freedom, by our soldiers !!!!! Poland who created, they generally know: England, the Russian Empire and France! and not passed to anyone during the wars. And then Poland was the usual buffer between the USSR and Germany, the war for which was supposed to give the USSR a chance to prepare! We gave the Poles and gentry land, freedom and life! ki, they quickly forget everything, all the more shameful pages of your history!
  26. konvalval
    konvalval 4 February 2014 19: 50
    +2
    Psheki and there are psheki. Hatred of Russia in their blood. Father, having fought from the first to the last day, said that nowhere had they met Soviet soldiers-liberators so badly as in Poland. Everywhere with flowers, treats, and in Poland they walked almost along empty streets.
  27. PValery53
    PValery53 4 February 2014 20: 13
    +2
    We need to move the monument to Hero ID Chernyakhovsky to Russia without scandal, but with honors. And the time will come when this Polish "action" with the monument will come back to haunt Poland with very large "dividends". There will be one more historical lesson for her, as she "wanted".
  28. alone
    alone 4 February 2014 20: 41
    0
    There is nothing sacred on this earth!
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 5 February 2014 12: 03
      0
      Quote: lonely
      There is nothing sacred on this earth!

      I do not understand why you are minus. Can a Pole fly in? Plusanul in order to restore justice
  29. alpenstock
    alpenstock 4 February 2014 21: 34
    0
    We are waiting for the next Bender monument laughing
  30. Linar
    Linar 5 February 2014 00: 03
    0
    Squeeze them very soon, they themselves will be asked to Russia when American money runs out. And we say, go ahead and suck at the USA and the EU!
  31. voliador
    voliador 5 February 2014 00: 33
    0
    These psheks no longer know what to do and how, in order for us to spoil more.
  32. voliador
    voliador 5 February 2014 00: 35
    0
    And, by the way, you should not expect a monument to Benderlog from them. He shot these Poles to the right and left.
  33. siberalt
    siberalt 5 February 2014 02: 53
    +1
    Yes ... with them, with pshekami! If such situevina turned up, it is better to take all of our Soviet monuments from them in addition to the hero Chernyakhovsky. They won’t be superfluous, but quite the opposite.
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 5 February 2014 12: 10
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Yes ... with them, with pshekami! If such situevina turned up, it is better to take all of our Soviet monuments from them in addition to the hero Chernyakhovsky. They won’t be superfluous, but quite the opposite.

      Here again, the people minus for no reason. AHTUNG on the forum evil Pshek. In general, they need to take everything. All that the Russian Empire and the USSR gave them. I think a lot will come out eh? Wow, the evil little ones. Give your cons. I'm waiting. tongue
  34. Burmistr
    Burmistr 5 February 2014 17: 32
    0
    Let's see how soon the Poles will request it with an apology back ...