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Nevsky patrol

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It would be strange if there was no attention paid to raising the level of security on the streets of Russian cities, at train stations and at airports, educational and medical institutions. It would be strange if terrorist acts and other extremist attacks did not become lessons for society and the authorities. However, it is sometimes difficult to understand the logic of some, let’s say, generators of ideas seeking to “screw” in security issues also some kind of provocative screw.


It seems that screwing up of such a screw seems to be decided today by St. Petersburg lawmakers. We are talking about the birth of a very original initiative of a regional nature, according to which to protect law and order on the streets of the northern capital in addition to representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs there will be civilian patrols from among the youth with obligatory representation in them of people from the North Caucasus regions. After the December meeting of the St. Petersburg Legislative Assembly, the idea was supported by the governor of St. Petersburg, Georgy Poltavchenko. As a result, something like the directive that the publication publishes was born Fontanka.ru:

Committees on youth policy, science and higher education, law, order and security issues in cooperation with the Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to work out the creation of law enforcement units within the framework of public organizations with the obligatory inclusion of representatives of diasporas of the North Caucasus region of the Russian Federation. Develop regulations and instructions for their activities.


It is especially noted that the development of all the necessary provisions on this matter should be completed by mid-February, after which the "civilian patrols" that follow the order may appear in St. Petersburg.

Nevsky patrolWell, on the one hand, the St. Petersburg authorities seem to be doing the right thing: Petersburg is a big, multinational, multi-religious city, and therefore representatives of the southern regions of the country can take part in legislative patrols to ensure safety in the city. But on the other hand, this idea looks strange. And the oddity arises exactly for the same reasons: Peter is a multiethnic and multi-confessional city. If certain civilian patrols are to be introduced in order to increase the level of security on the streets of the city on the Neva, then why do the regional authorities necessarily give directives to representatives of the North Caucasian republics on these same patrols? If you care about the “non-derogation of rights” of “St. Petersburg people from the Caucasus”, then why don't you care about similar issues in relation to, for example, “St. Petersburg people from Yakutia”, “St. Petersburg people from Tatarstan” or “St. Petersburg people from the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug” ... It seems that the main focus in the formation of patrols, it is done on those whose half-brothers allow more offenses in St. Petersburg, but will not this provoke the already heated situation to a real explosion? I would like to think that they will not provoke, but ...

If the authorities of St. Petersburg care about establishing positive relations between representatives of different nationalities living in the Northern capital, is it possible to find other options to solve this problem? Let's just say the options are humanitarian. In the end, the formation of patrol teams from the youth on the ethnic principle indirectly hints that in the city in the protection of law and order is not a person’s status, not his professional competence, and not even a sincere desire to help law enforcement officers, but his “blood” . If this is exactly the logic, then it may well go so far that one will have to enter a “civilian patrol” according to a representative from each nationality residing in the city ... We understand tolerance and all that, but what does this tolerance ultimately lead to? At first, patrols with the “obligatory presence” of the national component, then someone decides that the same state of affairs should be in the police, in the courts, and in local legislative and executive bodies. The situation will turn into a kind of directive: “Brothers, vote as you like, and in Peter's Assembly, 10 Russians, 1 Armenian, 1 Azeri, 1 Chechen, 1 Ingush, 1 Koryak, 1 Don Cossack, 1 Ingush, Dongh Cossack, XNUMX Ingush, XNUMX Koryak, XNUMX Don Cossack, XNUMX Ingush, Dongh Cossack, XNUMX Ingush, XNUMX Koryak, XNUMX Don Cossack, XNUMX Ingush, Andyou Xygum "As they say, take out and put us an Adyg (forgive the Circassians) to increase tolerance in the city ... Did not find the Circassian? So bring! ..

Is the main reason for the large number of offenses in the large Russian cities because there are no “multinational” youth patrols in these cities? Well, it is unlikely ... The main reason is not at all that there are no Avars, Cossacks or Lezghins everywhere in the patrols, and even that the “civilian” patrols themselves are not everywhere, but that our legislation with all due respect to him, it’s far from being fulfilled by all, far from everywhere and not at 100%. Moreover, legal nihilism today, which is a truly scandalous fact, is characteristic even for representatives of government bodies. The lack of personal responsibility, and especially personal responsibility among some representatives of law enforcement and executive authorities — these are the main reasons that we had (and in some cases did not disappear) shooting weddings, and well-earning underground casinos, and hundreds of outlets on the completely free distribution of narcotic drugs or so-called fake vodka. When the corruption component is extremely high, then you can even enter the Martians into youth patrols, to sense something ...
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  1. kaktus
    kaktus 3 February 2014 07: 39
    +10
    And nitsche that we pay taxes, including for the maintenance of the police? And what are the powers of the squads, what is their legal base, etc.? It's not clear ... request
    1. AVV
      AVV 3 February 2014 14: 47
      +3
      Quote: kaktus
      And nitsche that we pay taxes, including for the maintenance of the police? And what are the powers of the squads, what is their legal base, etc.? It's not clear ... request

      The monetary maintenance of the police has been increased, but should others volunteer to do the work for them? An interesting way of asking !!! I understand when it is necessary to strengthen security, for example, during the Olympics, while the guards are on a business trip! And so ???
  2. moskal68
    moskal68 3 February 2014 07: 49
    +4
    They have no base. They go, make verbal remarks, and if that happens, they lighthouse at the police.
  3. koksalek
    koksalek 3 February 2014 07: 54
    +10
    The next "initiative" will be the indispensable presence of Caucasians in the Russian government, their obligatory participation in all legislative initiatives, in the media their more reviewing of Russian news, in schools some of the teachers are Caucasians and further in the text
    1. DimychDV
      DimychDV 4 February 2014 06: 10
      +1
      Once in our city they consecrated water in the Vodokanal - on the occasion of Baptism. Much later, by chance I found a grumpy remark on a Muslim site about this: should Muslims drink water sanctified according to Orthodox customs?
      I don’t know, for me - even die of thirst, if you are so scrupulous. We are at home, but who called you to go here, where the water is sanctified in a Christian way? Moreover, this is not just our local people, but some в Wahhabi Pharisees who spoke out. In Primorye, fortunately, in general, the issue of national tolerance is not a problem. Only now, the authorities are conducting an idiotic policy: the Chinese can get land for individual development for 49 years. Our man - even the indigenous Primorsky, a descendant of the first settlers - must go through such circles of hell and lay out so many attendants - that even bear the saints.
  4. Alex66
    Alex66 3 February 2014 08: 00
    +6
    The lack of personal responsibility, and especially personal responsibility, of some representatives of law enforcement agencies and the executive branch is the main reason
    Personal responsibility comes only after covering the incidents in the media, as well as organized repulse to criminal elements without the participation of the authorities, here the authorities usually understand that someone is trying to take this power from her and begins to act, as a rule, along the path of least resistance.
  5. parus2nik
    parus2nik 3 February 2014 08: 00
    +3
    our legislation, with all due respect to it, is far from being implemented by all, far from everywhere and far from 100% ... That's right .. there are many beneficiaries who can go to the red light and ride and swim for buoys ...
  6. sergey261180
    sergey261180 3 February 2014 08: 00
    +6
    In the end, the formation of patrol teams from young people on the basis of ethnicity indirectly hints that the first place in the city when protecting the rule of law is not at all the status of a person, not his professional competence, and not even a sincere desire to help law enforcement officers, but his "blood"
    Well this is called fascism.
    the main emphasis in the formation of patrols is on those whose half-brothers allow more offenses
    If you can’t defeat terrorism - lead!
    + there will be an office for which a lot of money will be allocated from the budget for its maintenance. On paper, the "squad" will number thousands, in fact, several dozen. The difference in salary will go into the pocket of smart-ass officials + the official salary will also not be frail + we attach relatives to all sorts of accountants, lawyers and other specialists.
    In general, like an old movie: strike the iron without leaving the box office!
    1. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 3 February 2014 09: 46
      +13
      It seems that the main emphasis in the formation of patrols is on those whose half-brothers commit more offenses in St. Petersburg,

      Following this logic, the Russians urgently need to increase the number of crimes they commit, otherwise they will even be squeezed out of popular squads (as from vegetable markets).
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 3 February 2014 20: 42
        0
        Bees rebelled against honey! laughing
  7. Denis
    Denis 3 February 2014 08: 01
    +3
    First, patrols “with a mandatory presence” of the national component, then someone decides that the same situation should be with the police, and in the courts, and in the local legislative and executive authorities. The situation will turn into a semblance of a directive: “Brothers, vote as you like, but in the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg there must be 10 Russians, 1 Armenians, 1 Azerbaijanis, 1 Chechens, 1 Ingush, 1 Koryak, 1 Don Cossack, etc.
    No, this kind of good and nothing is needed. From the market to power? And the market would not have lost anything without them. And the Cossacks of mummers clowned there too. Let them be patrols, only without any presence. Why reinvent the wheel,DND DO NOT NEED TO DECLINE
  8. rodiy2007
    rodiy2007 3 February 2014 08: 06
    +17
    You need to call a spade a spade. What else is there patrol. This idea has long been pushed by representatives of the Caucasus, its essence is to legalize their assault squads. The Caucasian got into a mess right away the so-called the patrol and oooooochen politely explain that you’ve beguiled a brother! To comply with and restore order, there are official police bodies. If you want to help them - go to combatants.
    1. Foamas
      Foamas 3 February 2014 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: rodiy2007
      the idea has long been pushed by representatives of the Caucasus ...

      lawmakers need to look at the results of such experiments on a local scale,
      about six years ago, in a St. Petersburg engineering and construction university in a similar way they tried to solve the problems with students from the Caucasus region living in dormitories, they created for effective control of the situation "student security" from people of southern nationality (for authority among fellow tribesmen), who soon became round-achievers in all disciplines, but stopped learning completely, things seemed to improve slightly (they stopped constantly calling cops), but in two years all Slavic girls and half of the guys left the hostel, and after three years, riot police broke walls in security rooms and iron doors "students" extracting drugs and religious literature
  9. Grbear
    Grbear 3 February 2014 08: 19
    +3
    One gets the impression that at least strange people are in power who are not able to calculate even one step further. DND from population and legal representatives of the security forces. By the way, teamwork is very disciplining.
  10. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 3 February 2014 08: 45
    +8
    Not a new initiative. Eight years ago, a patrol from Makhachkala tried to detain me ... as "a Wahhabite passing by orientation." In the center of St. Petersburg, on the Petrogradskaya side, a hundred meters from his own house. Athas. "For strengthening", you know, we have arrived. It's good that I have a long-standing habit of not even going out to buy bread without a passport. No, such "people's patrols" will have to be bypassed by the tenth way.
  11. O_RUS
    O_RUS 3 February 2014 08: 58
    +8
    I am against DND. Law enforcement must be handled by a professional. Everything will come to the conclusion that - some will save money on security and ...
    Do you want to see armed bandits from the North Caucasus in the DND? In some places, not yet in the DND, the "former" bandits are armed with a rifle and are endowed with power.

    ... the Ministry of Internal Affairs just wants to keep a bag of money. Knowing all kinds of loopholes, this money can not only be spent on the needs of the police, but also hidden in your pocket ... "

    Destroy everything to the ground, and then rebuild, apparently, a national feature of the era of change. The process of destruction of law enforcement bodies destroyed from the inside over the past one and a half decades continues: fragments remain from the powerful structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the “revolutionary orders” about paid police corrupts the remaining ones. In the Duma, they argue about bodyguards, but there were bodyguards at Ordzhonikidze, who was ambushed in Leontyevsky Lane, at Kvantrishvili, who was shot at at the Krasnopresnensky baths.
    old article
    See the original material on the "Top Secret" website: http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/1014/
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 3 February 2014 13: 03
      -2
      Quote: O_RUS
      I am against DND. Law enforcement must be handled by a professional. Everything will come to the conclusion that - some will save money on security and ...

      National squads should be!
      It's time for people to feel the masters of their cities and weights.
      But they should be created exclusively on a voluntary basis.
      No interference by the authorities is permissible, otherwise the meaning and spirit of the people are lost.
      But there is a bad smell of ostentatiousness and ordering.
      Officer, don’t pop your feathery snout where it’s not a trace.
      Rummage in your feeding trough and build up underlings.
      People’s squads will be only when decisions on their creation, integration and activities will be made by representatives of the people.
  12. Duke
    Duke 3 February 2014 09: 18
    +13
    I live on Nevsky Prospekt in the center of St. Petersburg, and I don’t want to go out on public holidays
    I see no St. Petersburg faces around.
  13. Stinger
    Stinger 3 February 2014 09: 24
    +2
    It remains to introduce incentives for compliance with laws. The wretchedness of thinking is not an obstacle to election to the assembly.
  14. Altona
    Altona 3 February 2014 09: 37
    +3
    Here they correctly noted all possible jambs with the introduction of such patrolling ... I will also note that the DND used to be taken on moral and ideological grounds, and not at all on ethnic grounds ... But now how to define this basis? Create an incomprehensible structure? Nowadays you can buy crusts and bandages, there are much more strings in the police from the "diasporas" ... Shall we also hang ethnic patrols on our heads? By the way, under the "fun" vest with the inscription "DND Patrol" you can more safely drag dangerous objects ... Questions, questions ... With good intentions ...
    Another aspect, the streets of large cities are lined with surveillance cameras ... Why not turn to this potential? Yes, you can come up with many other ways to monitor the situation ... And again, the problem of over-centralization of Moscow and St. Petersburg ... People are dragging in there with a "vacuum cleaner" in search of a better life ... Now there are 25% of the Russian population in a handful, and with New Moscow soon we'll all pull up there ...
  15. treskoed
    treskoed 3 February 2014 09: 56
    +2
    We are talking about the birth of a very original initiative of a regional nature, according to which civilian patrols from among young people with mandatory representation of immigrants from the regions of the North Caucasus will be in addition to the Ministry of Internal Affairs in order to protect law and order on the streets of the Northern capital.

    But what about the Cossacks? After all, how many of them are dressed in St. Petersburg! But the Cossack and the Caucasian are enemies in life! Leo Tolstoy wrote about this in "Cossacks" remarkably!
    1. Denis
      Denis 4 February 2014 15: 03
      0
      Quote: treskoed
      But what about the Cossacks? After all, how much is in St. Petersburg
      Alas, the clowns dressed up and they are in St. Petersburg? As far as I know, real Cossacks mainly lived in border areas
  16. rereture
    rereture 3 February 2014 10: 07
    +4
    Thanks to the authorities, the Russians are legally allowed to destroy.

    They went to hell, and the "Caucasian squad" too, I buy that thread of firearms and go to shoot "young people with the obligatory representation of natives of the North Caucasus in them" Because brothers cannot do that.
  17. Forest
    Forest 3 February 2014 10: 11
    +9
    "Petersburg is a big, multinational city" - it is primarily a Russian city, the rest of the guests there.
  18. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 3 February 2014 10: 25
    +4
    The order should be guarded by the police, neither squads, nor "attack aircraft", nor the SA, nor the "international legion." Here the Russian Empire can be kicked for a lot, but the staff of the Gendarme Administration has never seemed to be numerous, plus or minus decide for yourself, but order Cossacks were attracted in Ingushetia, but it was the Cossacks, and not the disguised "Cossacks" as now. And where can we get those normal Cossacks now? And even in Ingushetia it was allowed to carry weapons, and now only bandits have weapons.
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  20. uhu189
    uhu189 3 February 2014 11: 07
    +4
    Of course, I am not a supporter of ethnic separation, but there are a number of questions to this initiative. Our governor is generally a great expert in transferring responsibility from himself and the administration to anyone. Instead of preventive police work, it is easier to transfer part of the dirty work to combatants. I am not at all against popular squads; they have benefits, but not in the directive methods of their formation. In all of this, I’m interested in something else - if I understand correctly, then in the Caucasian diasporas (and not only in the Caucasus) there is a very strict hierarchy, i.e. the younger submits to the status of the older one (if I'm wrong, then correct me). And what will the inclusion of young people from the Caucasus, who by their social status are quite small in weight, give to the squads? I do not fully understand. In principle, they will not be able to influence, much less delay their fellow countrymen, without violating their customs and hierarchy. And after working in squads, they will need to return to their environment, the laws of which they violated as combatants. There is a clear contradiction. Of course, you can get rid of it by calling really authoritative people into the squads, whose influence on others is undeniable, but firstly where to get them in such numbers, and secondly, will they want to participate in this? And this is just one of the questions for this strange initiative, and there are many questions of these ...
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 4 February 2014 00: 31
      0
      Quote: uhu189
      And what will the inclusion of young people from the Caucasus, who by their social status are quite small in weight, give to the squads? I do not fully understand. In principle, they will not be able to influence, much less delay their fellow countrymen, without violating their customs and hierarchy. And after working in squads, they will need to return to their environment, the laws of which they violated as combatants.

      Hmm explain on the fingers.
      In many ways they will be able to influence. And how will they break the laws of their environment ??
      Conventionally, a representative of a nationality behaves boldly, this is a squad and if there are some Russians it will cause even greater resistance, justified, unreasonable, this is a different question, but it will be given the national heat.
      And so one of the representatives of the Caucasus will come out, preferably a Muslim, and conditionally approaching Salam Alaykum’s brother that something happened, then there’ll be no negativity, because he’s going to talk softer and easier to solve.
      Therefore, this is a well-considered topic.
      But I have a negative attitude towards the vigilantes, because then I ask myself the question, why the hell do I pay taxes to the state institution, which contains the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a structure that cannot cope with its functions.
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  22. anfreezer
    anfreezer 3 February 2014 13: 32
    +1
    "The lack of personal responsibility, and especially personal responsibility among some representatives of law enforcement agencies and executive authorities, is the main reason that we have (and in some cases did not disappear) and shooting weddings, and well-earning" underground "casinos, and hundreds points for the completely free distribution of drugs or the so-called burned vodka. "And also the main reason is that there is no principle of inevitability of punishment, punishment for EVERYONE who committed an offense and are subject to this punishment in accordance with the law. about the stormy activity .... By this we ourselves (I mean "smart" heads from the authorities) will soon drive us into the "wild west".
  23. TROG
    TROG 3 February 2014 14: 11
    +2
    What are the people's squads. If the authorities are doing everything to increase crime.
    At the metro, stalls and shops began to return, if under Matvienko they were all removed (the only plus is Motvienko),
    then at Poltavchenko the first day there were tables with all kinds of trash. Soon it will be like in the 90s at the metro station hundreds of stalls selling alcohol and other things.
    I live in a new neighborhood, everything was quiet until the stalls were not installed, I lose 4 pieces from the window and it seems to me that this is not the limit. Everything around me was staring them. In the summer 2-3 nights a week, it's like drunk cries of gopniks (and stalls are like a magnet), and not only Russian but also chu-rock, since there are only some construction sites around and there is no shortage of them. It’s good that it’s winter, so they put a stall like a shawarma; they’re waiting for frost there.
    For 3 years I saw the police 2 times, this was during the construction site the district police officer and recently traffic cops, that's all.
    And you say popular squads.
  24. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 3 February 2014 16: 12
    +1
    <<< If the logic is just this (to create youth law enforcement detachments with the obligatory inclusion of representatives of the diasporas of the North Caucasus region of the Russian Federation.), Then it may well come to the point that the "civil patrols" will have to introduce a representative from each nationality living in city ​​... >>>
    Obvious STUPIDITY! And what is this social structure called the diaspora? What is this - Russian "China Towns" with their own laws, their own norms, morals, ignoring the laws of Russia, written for ALL citizens of Russia, without exceptions and privileges?
    If they are de facto, then why are there no Russian diasporas in the national republics, where the Russians make up a very significant percentage of the population (if not the majority) and why, despite their large numbers, they are NOT REPRESENTED (practically) in the republican government bodies? Maybe it is necessary to start with this - putting things in order, ensuring equal rights for nationalities in the field, observing the laws of Russia in the republics? Then, maybe, no patrols and diasporas WILL BE REQUIRED!
  25. slon53
    slon53 3 February 2014 16: 50
    0
    This is another option for legalizing the impunity of Caucasians. Under no circumstances can they be given any power - legal and public. There are no authorities on them now, but if they get the opportunity to "check and not let go" we will get such a problem that it will not seem like a little. What kind of clever head and from whose submission suggested specifically on Caucasians? Why not include Tatars, Chuvashes or other representatives of the Russian Federation there? Let them patrol in their own Caucasus.
  26. homosum20
    homosum20 3 February 2014 16: 57
    -5
    af. fluor ur In my youth I was the commander of the DND of the Olenegorsk mechanical plant. We once delivered his boss to the department for being in a public place in a state of heavy alcoholic intoxication (this place is a training center under the stands of the stadium, where there is a lot of youth). There are a lot of freaks everywhere. And in the government. And in the areas. And in the cities.
    But ur.ods will break through to achieve their goal. Who is hindered by organizations that allow themselves to be realized by normal people?
    Only freaks.
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 3 February 2014 20: 25
      +2
      I apologize for the harsh treatment of "af.fluor u.d." Wrong - rudeness. In fact, I remain with my opinion.
  27. shelva
    shelva 3 February 2014 18: 43
    +1
    The representative of what kind of people should be included in this or that law enforcement group and for what ?, it is not clear. In the North Caucasus there are a lot of nationalities, each speaking their own language and they are not very friendly with each other. So who and against whom should you take with you on patrol?
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 3 February 2014 20: 56
      +2
      shelva "So who and against whom should you take with you on patrol?"
      - Obviously guided by the principle of the biblical character of Noah - "each creature has a pair"
  28. Urus
    Urus 3 February 2014 19: 12
    +1
    _ Cool girls cry, just not to work. Do you work ?? yes, I patrol, I control, Uzbeks !!! I work, in short !!
  29. Anatoly. RUS
    Anatoly. RUS 3 February 2014 19: 42
    +1
    YEAH recourse I hope there will be no Caucasian "squads".
    OTHERWISE Suddenly: Hey, Vasya, come here !!! Allah allowed dekumant to watch us. Propiske your time
    Although it is probably too late, they are already: StopHam 114 Islam Raid YouTube.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 4 February 2014 00: 32
      0
      Quote: Anatoly. RUS
      OTHERWISE Suddenly: Hey, Vasya, come here !!! Allah allowed dekumant to watch us. Propiske your time

      The article will say some representative. The main team will not be Caucasian, but the presence of a Caucasian Muslim will facilitate the work in solving the problem with Muslim violators and believe at times.
  30. alone
    alone 3 February 2014 20: 03
    +1
    The staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is already inflated to the point of impossibility. And here is the DND. What can oppose the armed bandit Druzhinnik? Just a whistle. There’s no point in chasing the escaping bandit. He’ll just kill the warrior. But whistling will also change a little. Think the bandit will wait until the police will come? laughing
    1. Denis
      Denis 4 February 2014 17: 41
      0
      Quote: lonely
      DND.What can oppose an armed bandit
      Presence, there will be less lawlessness
  31. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 6 February 2014 11: 41
    0
    With the withdrawal of combatants on the routes, conduct random checks of personnel for compliance with the image of a conscious citizen of Russia. According to the results of the audit, to lust up the provocateur Poltavchenko, start a business about his gang.