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About memory and that not everything can be joking

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Write this article made me история around the TV channel "Rain".


This was the fall of 1987. What happened in the "higher spheres"? Obviously something is not good. After all, we, the cadets of the Kharkov Tank Army, were often alerted by alarm, and not just like that, but with the fulfillment of certain tasks. And these tasks were the following: to make a forced march, go to a certain area and organize a defense there from the air assault of the enemy troops ...

At that time we were raised still dark and gave the command to make a march to the range in Podvorki, and this is 25 km ... Who ran the forced marches, he knows that the first three kilometers are heavy, and then you enter the "rhythm" and anyway how many kilometers to run, legs-hands-breathing work separately, and thoughts-eyes — separately, and thoughts can “move” along “three different routes” ...

What distinguished the senior cadet from the junior was the fact that he was able to perform the same action with less energy. In this case, it was expressed in the fact that the decision to “cut the way” was made immediately and after a short discussion brought to life. We got off the "knurled" road and moved along country roads, "bristling" with patrols and guards ... My platoon was GPZ (head marching post), and when the edge of the fork opened in front, my branch was left as a guard outpost with the task of covering the company’s passage and continue to move to the connection with the platoon.

It was already dawn. It became clear that we were not far from the livestock farm, where the milkmaids were walking along the road from the nearest village. They went by such an "organized" group, and their path lay, consider, through the "zone of our responsibility." These were women of different ages, and among them were many young people who were very active in laughing and “making volleys” with our eyes in our direction, the young one. Well, accordingly, we also answered with “response volleys”. Suddenly they stopped and immediately fell silent, I turned around and immediately understood what the reason was, my company came out of the woods into the ravines, the sight of hundreds of armed people, even passing by, in the edges where they were infrequent guests, causes some kind of shock ... And then one of our "stood out." He turned to the nearest elderly woman:

- And what, grandma, are there Germans in the village?

A joke, Hochma, it seemed, it was possible to laugh, but what happened later, for all my life, crashed into my memory ...

At first I heard the sound of falling buckets, the woman carried them in her arms, the sound was very loud and everyone turned on him at once, and there stood pale as a canvas, a woman of years 40-50 and held on to her heart. Looking now at us, now towards the company, she whispered loudly:

“Nima, son, nima ...”

Of course, she does not read articles on this site. But I once again apologize to this elderly woman, whose childhood clearly passed in the war years.

The history of that war, and indeed of that time, was written with the blood and tears of ordinary people, and we must remember this and be very careful in our actions.

I perfectly understand the indignation towards “Rain” and support the actions of parties, companies and people to boycott this channel - to others as an example.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 31 January 2014 08: 08
    +32
    Close this nursery of shit democracy will not close, freedom is, but people should beat him
    And before, they didn’t watch it, but now, in general, deleted it from the TV settings

    I WOULD LIKE TO:
    1. jjj
      jjj 31 January 2014 08: 14
      +6
      I recall the lines of Vladimir Vladimirovich:

      Who pours poetry from a watering can
      Who sprinkles, typing in his mouth
      Curly miter
      Wise Curls -
      Who the hell will they take apart!

      No quarantine breakthrough
      Mandolin from under the walls
      Tara-tina, tara-tina, ten ...
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      2. Turik
        Turik 31 January 2014 08: 27
        +14
        The journalist in whose head a "bright idea" about the social poll on TV was born did a disservice to the entire channel. Because of one idiot, the channel seems to be dispersed, and damn it, which of his colleagues will find work in their specialty.

        The poor fellows will have to fight on the American embassies, with the hard work of anuslising, they will work out their bread.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 January 2014 08: 34
          +17
          Quote: Turik
          The journalist in whose head a "bright idea" about the social poll on TV was born did a disservice to the entire channel. Because of one idiot, the channel seems to be dispersed, and damn it, which of his colleagues will find work in their specialty.

          Do you think in simplicity of mind that this is an accident? The entire format of the channel is built on pouring mud over our country, people, history.
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 31 January 2014 08: 41
            .
            In general, the channel is adequate, but the fact that they like to walk in the footsteps of the Nakhalny bureaucrats, so there seems to be no bad thing about it.
            1. military
              military 31 January 2014 09: 17
              +2
              but the bureaucrats themselves really do not like this ... taking this opportunity, a certain Pupkin from among such high-ranking summer residents picked up the telephone and called the prosecutor ... there is absolutely nothing to do with public opinion ... in recent years ...
            2. builder74
              builder74 31 January 2014 10: 39
              +4
              Quote: Alex_Popovson
              In general, the channel is adequate

              ?!
            3. washi
              washi 31 January 2014 14: 16
              0
              Quote: Alex_Popovson
              In general, the channel is adequate, but the fact that they like to walk in the footsteps of the Nakhalny bureaucrats, so there seems to be no bad thing about it.

              They will walk through the dachas of "individual" bureaucrats.
              But they cherish their own.
        2. invisibility
          invisibility 31 January 2014 11: 03
          +1
          Journalism will soon become an abusive word! Cheap sensations, moronic investigations, most importantly RATING! HERE when you think about censorship and criminal liability for zhurnalyug! Although, what is there to think! Enter is not slow!
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    2. predator.3
      predator.3 31 January 2014 09: 05
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      Close this nursery of shit democracy will not close, freedom is, but people should beat him
      And before, they didn’t watch it, but now, in general, deleted it from the TV settings


      And I sometimes watch their "news", as they say, you need to know the enemy - what he is talking about, what he is thinking about!
      1. military
        military 31 January 2014 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: predator.3
        And I sometimes watch their "news", as they say, you need to know the enemy - what he is talking about, what he is thinking about!

        by the way ... I recommend to watch parliamentary hour and news from the government more often on official channels ... not just "know", but face to face, so to speak ... wink
    3. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 31 January 2014 15: 39
      +1
      Already covered the broadcast)))
  2. vo.dum
    vo.dum 31 January 2014 08: 16
    +1
    There is such a word-upbringing ... they probably don’t have it ... any educated and cultured person thinks with his brain before asking something from another person, but will I hurt him with my question? ... Here is one of two things : either they are not friends with the head, or sadists ... But you shouldn’t close the channel ... the suggestion is yes ... but in general they say: a friend should be close ... and the enemy is even closer ... ideologically they are enemies .. .to study and redo if possible ... if there is no watch that the hunchbacked one does not come out ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 31 January 2014 09: 03
      +18
      Quote: vo.dum
      And the channel should not be closed ... the suggestion is yes ... but in general they say: a friend should be close ... and the enemy is even closer ... ideologically they are enemies ... study and redo if possible ... if not follow so that the hunchbacked one doesn't come out ...

      You know, in Ukraine they acted like that - as a result they got !!!
      The enemy must be destroyed! Right away! I’m telling you as a Russian living in Ukraine. hi
      1. vo.dum
        vo.dum 31 January 2014 09: 46
        +1
        In Ukraine, the situation is different ... there you first need to educate the patriotically oligarchs who own the media, including ... and the education system to build on the love of at least one’s own country .... in Russia we have almost the same thing ... at least we’re moving a little ... and Ukraine in this sense has been moving in the opposite direction lately ... and all the same, an ideological war is better than a hot one ... mothers don’t cry even there, they just get upset that their offspring lost the battle ...
        1. military
          military 31 January 2014 10: 38
          +1
          Quote: vo.dum
          In Ukraine, the situation is different ... there first you need to educate the patriotically need oligarchs owning including the media ...

          in Russia it is not easier ... we have to "educate" the government first ... but it does not want to, rests its horn on the ground ... and the "educator" himself is unclear ...
        2. perfect100
          perfect100 31 January 2014 12: 14
          +2
          Oligarchs need to be educated only by strict control and removal of their influence on decision-making by power structures. Media should not be 100% controlled by oligarchs. The media is one of the branches of government, an instrument of power. Until the authorities in Ukraine solve these issues, there will be similar disgraces.
      2. military
        military 31 January 2014 09: 56
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        The enemy must be destroyed! Right away! I’m telling you as a Russian living in Ukraine.

        It should! yes but not everyone declared as such ... by the way, today we have "not the 37th ..." request so our chief decided ... so let's see who exactly his "aphorism" applies to ... to all "enemies" or only to a select few ... on the Serdyukov cases, we immediately "heard" the main thing ... the second year of the case They are successfully falling apart ... in the cases of Kvachkov and Khabarov, the defendants received huge sentences ... these veteran grandfathers are also "enemies", probably ... repeat only, whose specifically? ... now "Rain" has turned up ... chatted a lot ... for this and will pay ...
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          1. military
            military 31 January 2014 11: 41
            0
            Quote: Z.O.V.
            Stamps of an ideological war.

            A long and beautiful text ... If you had the goal of enlightening me about the personality of Lavrenty Pavlovich, then you were late ... I am not one of those who consider him a fiend of hell ... As for clichés ... This is not for me, it is to HIM ... This stamp did not surface by accident ... It surfaced on a wave of public resonance on very specific cases of a very specific person involved ... Now let's see how it will be applied in practice ... It is the same for everyone (although two dissenting honored grandfathers, quickly caught in the preparation of an "uprising and coup", are already sitting to their fullest) or selectively in relation to persons close to the body of the emperor, whose fault "only" is the embezzlement of the military budget and the collapse of the Armed Forces ...
            But in general, you said everything correctly ... hi
          2. Djozz
            Djozz 31 January 2014 13: 23
            0
            That's right, my grandfather was released in 39g, and the scammer was brought to party responsibility and expelled from the CPSU (b).
    2. Raptor75
      Raptor75 31 January 2014 14: 58
      0
      I agree with your post. Close and disperse the mind a lot is not necessary. All the same, it’s better if the enemy is in front of you, under the supervision and control, you know him by sight, right? They do not understand that with their liberal propaganda, which causes an overwhelming majority of the population, they play into the hands of the existing government and vaccinated the people against ultra-liberal ideas and other Western turbidity. Yes, such enemies should be kept close by.
      Unfortunately, we currently do not have an adequate opposition, and any government needs an opposition, IMHO.
      Sometimes I read opposition forums and you won’t believe it, there are also adequate and sane people there. Well, they don’t like power ...
  3. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 31 January 2014 08: 24
    +1
    Maybe all the same, Vladimir Semyonovich?
    1. Hs487
      Hs487 31 January 2014 08: 37
      +3
      Namely Vladimir Vladimirovich - Mayakovsky
  4. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 31 January 2014 08: 29
    +30
    My grandfather, the Kingdom of Heaven to him, fought as a fighter pilot until the spring of 1942 (commissioned without an arm), until the end of his days he sat at the table only with his back to the cinder block wall (of his house), and if, as a guest, they did not sit against the wall, each For 20-30 seconds I involuntarily looked back (((, his fear of being attacked "from six" very limited the possibilities of a peaceful life! I remember him (he died at 80 - right after the Olympics), of course I don't remember what he turned around, but he never talked about departures and drunk (((I always sang, with tears - Istrebki, fighter guys, anyone can handle the messerschmitt, you will warm us up hot, tomorrow morning again into battle ...
    I answer, both my sons know and understand how much that Victory cost us!
    Days and nights, charred, in the dust, brought this Day closer as they could ...
    1. Hs487
      Hs487 31 January 2014 08: 59
      +1
      Plus, I wanted a post, but hit the minus button, I apologize.
  5. valerakuh
    valerakuh 31 January 2014 08: 30
    +15
    Yes, in my opinion it’s time to stop the hee hee haha ​​badly. The nineties with Petrosyan and Zadornov passed. They pressed us very hard. The information war is on. Let's turn on the head and win.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 31 January 2014 09: 00
      +13
      What hurt you and Zadornov Petrosyan? They make fun of dope. But TNT and their derivatives, even on May 9, do not include a moment of silence.
    2. military
      military 31 January 2014 09: 24
      +2
      Quote: valerakuh
      The information war is on. Let's turn on the head and win.

      is it you advise the Kremlin ...
  6. makarov
    makarov 31 January 2014 08: 34
    +2
    There is an old parable, I won’t retell it, but the essence is about the following: - If you take a club from a savage, he will go to the forest, and in spite of everything he will break the club even more than the previous one !!!
    1. PPL
      PPL 31 January 2014 10: 19
      +2
      ... he will go into the forest, and in spite of everything he will break the club even more

      Most likely he will not go to the forest, to the other three letters. And if they let them into the forest, then only then, so that the whistles for the kids would be done. lol
    2. washi
      washi 31 January 2014 14: 22
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      There is an old parable, I won’t retell it, but the essence is about the following: - If you take a club from a savage, he will go to the forest, and in spite of everything he will break the club even more than the previous one !!!

      Do you consider your "compatriots - residents of the outskirts" savages? Those. They will not hand over the captured buildings at the end of the month and will continue to fight?
  7. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 31 January 2014 08: 35
    +28
    A satirical video appeared on YouTube yesterday. It is also interesting to read the comments. Unfortunately, there are still quite a few people who confuse freedom of speech with permissiveness and abusiveness.
    1. officer29
      officer29 31 January 2014 10: 51
      +3
      Smiled! Put a plus sign! good
  8. Garik
    Garik 31 January 2014 08: 35
    +8
    Fucking liberals completely lost fear! Close it and deal with the end. So that loafers from the swamp, homosexuals and all kinds of bulkiness are not promoted. Their common goal is to arrange Maidan in Red Square. They get grandmas for it.
  9. kmike
    kmike 31 January 2014 08: 49
    +10
    I definitely only for closing
    "rain".
  10. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 31 January 2014 08: 50
    +8
    "If only there was no war ..." Who has not heard this phrase from people of the older generation? Everyone has heard; many are willing to endure, so long as blood is not spilled. And this is not cowardice. And young people tend to often commit rash acts. The main thing is not to be afraid to say later: "I'm sorry ...". Which is sometimes very difficult.
    There are limits to human actions. "Rain" crossed this line.
  11. Stinger
    Stinger 31 January 2014 09: 12
    +6
    As the Russian proverb says: You can’t put a scarf on someone else’s mouth. But if some figures under freedom mean freedom from conscience, then they need to get rid of them in the media.
  12. Mihail29
    Mihail29 31 January 2014 09: 26
    +5
    I agree with VO.DUM the enemy should be kept even closer. After all, we did not concede the entire Cold War, but even excelled in military developments, in weapons, army training, education, etc. But they lost in advertising (in information wars), so you need to make sure that people not only in Russia, but throughout the post-Soviet space, both professionally and in everyday terms, turn their backs on this channel, their sponsors, their followers.
  13. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 31 January 2014 09: 26
    +3
    Quote: vo.dum
    There is such a word-upbringing

    Yes there is such a word.
    And there is also the phrase-ideological education, then there is its derivative-ideological war.
    When the enemy is in front of you, it’s just the Enemy, when behind you, it’s the Saboteur. And when a Saboteur is operating on a national scale, it’s not just a Sabotage squad, it’s Fifth column!
    1. vo.dum
      vo.dum 31 January 2014 09: 38
      +1
      Who is stopping us from conducting counterplay against saboteurs? And, accordingly, defeating them in the information sphere? Is it in our power to educate those media that cross certain red lines as Hussein Barack Obama said ... he said and there is no chemical weapon in Syria ... here so i think ...
      1. washi
        washi 31 January 2014 14: 25
        0
        Quote: vo.dum
        Who is stopping us from conducting counterplay against saboteurs? And, accordingly, defeating them in the information sphere? Is it in our power to educate those media that cross certain red lines as Hussein Barack Obama said ... he said and there is no chemical weapon in Syria ... here so i think ...

        Sorry, but YOU are an oligarch, do you have your own media?
        I can only educate my surroundings.
        This is the minimum I can do.
        Do you bring up your loved ones?
        1. vo.dum
          vo.dum 3 February 2014 15: 49
          0
          Do you think that it is possible to educate only through the media? And I think that it is too early to write off such an educational institution as a family and a school. Yes, I educate my loved ones and they are the same for me, which is why they are close ... And about the fact that I wrote that "we should conduct counterplay" I mean we are the people .... respectively, the majority, respectively, the government and the president ... or do you want to say that the oligarchs are completely crazy and do not understand Chinese warnings?
  14. demotivator
    demotivator 31 January 2014 09: 33
    +9
    They shut it down for a long time. In the meantime, the court and the case, the Dozhd channel does not sit idly by, and asks its viewers for support. Journalist Anna Mongait stated this in a live broadcast of the Online program. Among the defenders of this TV channel there were also those who believe that "Rain" is being closed just because the quote:
    ... this channel belongs to Jews! But they do not understand that now is not the 30s of the 20th century! Now we won't let them
    .
    At least strange logic. And what does not belong to Jews in our country? And TV channels - even more so? Now that, on this basis, it is impossible to touch them?
    1. PPL
      PPL 31 January 2014 10: 29
      +1
      ... this channel belongs to Jews! But they do not understand that now is not the 30s of the 20th century! Now we won't let them

      Recently, belonging to Jewry is perceived by some Jews as an indulgence. Yes, they suffered, we know and remember about this, but we also remember another thing, that other peoples suffered no less.
      All who considered themselves to be victims of the regime have long chosen an alternative for themselves.
      How about someone else's monastery and charter?
  15. luka095
    luka095 31 January 2014 09: 44
    +5
    The author is a plus. Clear and understandable position.
  16. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 31 January 2014 10: 27
    +5
    "The rain has badly tarnished" its reputation. A ridiculous poll confirmed that concepts such as memory and conscience.
    1. military
      military 31 January 2014 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      “The rain has badly tarnished its reputation.” An absurd poll confirmed that such concepts as memory and conscience are alien to democratic journalists.

      I agree for the reputation ... for the absurdity of the poll - also ... precisely in terms of absurdity, but in no way in terms of ideological sabotage ... memory and conscience ... but where were they when the monuments to Lenin were demolished throughout the country? ... when the monument to "Iron Felix" was being felled on the Lubyanka? ... when does the question of the Mausoleum begin to be discussed? ... where do these concepts disappear? ... and why does not such a high rise and the prosecutor's office not stand in the rack? ... hi
      1. Criceta
        Criceta 31 January 2014 13: 16
        -3
        Quote: military
        when monuments to Lenin were demolished throughout the country
        a monument to "Iron Felix" was being felled on the Lubyanka
        the question of the Mausoleum begins to be discussed

        Do you think that all of the above actions should be related to memory and conscience? There would be less such memory left. Each of these actions is worthy of reward. And for the mausoleum, if you manage to tear it down, then in general put a monument.
        1. military
          military 31 January 2014 14: 19
          +2
          Quote: Сriceta
          Do you think that all of the above actions should be related to memory and conscience?

          I understand that the monument to E. Gaidar is more to your liking ... but even for that I do not hold any grudge against you ... each has his own ...
  17. calocha
    calocha 31 January 2014 11: 08
    0
    The rain that happened on the TV channel is a vivid example of the need for censorship in the media, otherwise everything will be repeated but on other channels.
  18. valokordin
    valokordin 31 January 2014 11: 08
    +3
    Whose interests are protected by Matvienko, the one in the Federation Council, when she speaks out against the closure of Rain. This is not a matter of freedom of speech, it is impossible to give freedom to the anti-Russian, anti-Soviet, anti-popular speech.
    1. military
      military 31 January 2014 11: 57
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      This is not a matter of freedom of speech, it is impossible to give freedom to the anti-Russian, anti-Soviet, anti-popular speech.

      these are questions of the ideology of the level of government ... and this ideology ended with the collapse of the Union and was replaced by "democratic values" and "legal field" ... I don’t believe that you yourself did not notice ... wink and ersatz-substitutes in the form of slogans about patriotism, searches for the lost national idea and nationwide "fronts" will not correct the situation ... unfortunately ... hi
  19. S-200
    S-200 31 January 2014 11: 36
    -2
    "- And what, grandma, are there Germans in the village?"
    The standard army joke that sounded in the territories occupied by the Germans during the Second World War (since the release of military-patriotic films with this issue) for more than a dozen years ...
    For five years of cadets in Belarus in front of me this scene was played more than a dozen times ... And it was clear to everyone! Since at the box office, Soviet people watched the same films many times.
    When I was there, no milkmen (and other prichindals) fell from their hands, but was perceived with a certain amount of understandable humor ...
    Usually, if the situation allowed))), the second question was:
    "- And where do you sell vodka?"
    Which, in the most detailed way, was pointed out by local residents "Ho Chi Minh guerrilla trail" to Selpovsky shop with vodka and the nearest fruit garden with a snack.
    Why am I expounding this recollective request (t) walkie-talkie? ...
    Descendants (HISTORY) - have the right to judge us!
    And our ancestors, carrying out their deeds, probably thought the same ...
    By imposing TABOO on certain historical or religious aspects, rulers form the general outlook (morality, patriotism) of society in a direction favorable to themselves, thereby rallying it. Which, in general, in itself, and not bad.
    But there is one petty aspect (from the crafty ruler) ...
    This patriotic (religious) taboo is a kind of indulgence to the ruler on his right of error, negligence, ignorance, thoughtlessness, cowardice, etc. foolishness of the board.
    Reveling in (propagating) the colossal sacrifice of the Soviet people during the Second World War, the communist and current leaders (Putin was a conscious communist) are trying to level the problems of modern society and the level of insignificant everyday life (letting them go on their own), in comparison with THEM heroic!
    The people must learn (at the genetic level) that those sacrifices, hardships, hardships and suffering that they have endured will not be a direct consequence of the human rule, but a much higher patriotic (religious) motivation, which unconditionally requires sacrifice from society and every citizen!
    And if so, then the ruler has the right to dispose of the life of society (citizens) at his discretion ...
    And not ONLY in wartime, but also in peacetime!
    And not in a combat situation, but in daily work for a modest salary and a beggarly pension.
    The image of a big, terrible and bloodthirsty enemy surrounding us from all sides (external and internal) is also suitable for uniting society ...
    The child's instinct for self-preservation immediately awakens in consciousness. Everyone would like to cuddle together under a large and thick blanket (a mighty army, for the sake of whose weapons it is desirable to give up the last ...). Then hot Eurasian blood boils and you want to crush enemies together ...
    1. S-200
      S-200 31 January 2014 11: 37
      -2
      SUMMARY:
      I condemn the management of the Dozhd TV channel:
      For the cowardice with which they disowned the question on the expediency of victims of the besieged Leningrad !
      There is NO blasphemy in THIS question !!!
      (as in the issue of the genocide of the native population of America and slavery in it)
      The unconditional blame for the victims on one of the parties relieves the other from responsibility for the fate of his people ...
      A comprehensive and impartial analysis of history is REQUIRED so that this does not happen again in the future!
      "People, be careful!" Y. Fuchek
      ... and Don't let yourself be "talked"! (Gag)
      1. military
        military 31 January 2014 12: 12
        +3
        Quote: S-200
        "People, be vigilant!" Yu.Fuchek ... and Don't let yourself be "talked"! (Gag)

        yes good drinks
        1. Zheleznyak
          Zheleznyak 31 January 2014 14: 06
          +2
          Quote: military
          NO BLESSNESS IN THIS ISSUE

          this is not sacrilege; it is much more serious.
          This is how I see it, and there are reasons for that: The "poll" (special operation) action was thought out, and it was thought out exactly the way it was conducted, briefly highlight the question, then remove it - they say they were wrong.
          Others will repeat this question (as it did in almost all media outlets) - this is a continuation of the special operation.
          There is information on the network that the channel wants to hold a "telethon on the topic" What does it mean to love the homeland "" - this is the development of a special operation, and in especially "favorable" conditions - as the TV critic Irina Petrovskaya said (also available on the network) "on the eve of a big international holiday and events ".
          Petrovskaya voiced this either without understanding, or understanding what she does from the text, it is impossible to conclude unambiguously.
          By the way, in the special operation scheme, a straightforward, straightforward, simple formal logic is clearly visible - a sign of the production of the Anglo-Saxon subculture.
          Who cares - psychological warfare can be found in the literature.
          This is called "designing the future" - this is what all "independent" sociological services are doing.
          ABN employs tens of thousands of people, they produce propaganda and information war products for them.
          They think they are constructing our future.
          Let's wait and see, knowledge is power - this means: do not repeat the question in the media, and please pass this information along the chain.

          Essentially, to what happened: the question of the survey is not a mistake, it is a deliberate destruction of the foundations of our civilization.
          Civilization and culture are, first and foremost, taboos, self-discipline, self-restraint, submission of one’s will to a higher meaning, free in this sense are animals.
          This is very serious, words are an absolute weapon, otherwise there would be no censorship and forbidden books. Many organizations are involved in the destruction of the foundations of our civilization, receiving funding from abroad.
          The most dangerous of them are "centers of sociological polls" (special operations are also issued for polls).
          It is enough to analyze the questions of their surveys. Deliberately doing this is crazy.
          Specifically, there are only two options - the dismissal of the person responsible for the survey by the channel’s management, or the revocation of the license. This must be achieved by all means

          P.S. - the channel’s general director promised that she wouldn’t dismiss employees (who are in the media) involved in the appearance of the survey on the site.
          If this is her personal opinion, and she was not persuaded, this suggests that Natalya Sindeeva may have been in the know. Because the dismissed person will defend himself, and can tell how it was ...

          And so a war is going on against us in all directions. Before you say or write something, think.
          All who sow enmity between us, defeatist moods are that enemy.
          1. military
            military 31 January 2014 17: 46
            +2
            Quote: Zheleznyak
            Quote: military
            NO BLESSNESS IN THIS ISSUE

            you have a very entertaining method of "quotation" ... pull out a line from a post of one person and attribute it to another ... You add a couple of quotes from Goebbels to me ... fool
      2. dddym
        dddym 31 January 2014 12: 18
        +1
        Forgive me, but this is outright demagogic garbage ... This people is a community made up of cultural and historical roots and defined by borders, territories and common aspirations for the future. You are provoking! There is a specific example - the Dozhd TV channel doubted the truth of the victory over fascism! And you write that there is no blasphemy. Let this TV channel write about officials at least a hundred times and the majority of our citizens will support it. But when national values ​​are exposed, namely the victory over the enemy, who destroyed a third of the country's population, then excuse me and move over. The poll itself is a doubt but was it worth it to resist at all? Maybe they would simply admit defeat and from the population of the USSR, according to the OST plan, 50 million should remain. Supporting this issue, you say directly - "I want there to be only slaves in our country, I want so many of them that they could not raise their heads and throw out the invaders."
      3. dddym
        dddym 31 January 2014 13: 20
        +3
        And if you want an objective opinion poll, then it should sound like this: "What would you prefer to leave Leningrad and thus save several hundred lives, but doom the peoples of the USSR to slavery under the heel of the Nationalists of another country, or fight to the end while losing those very few hundred thousand but to save their homeland and the rest of the country's population in an independent power? "
      4. svp67
        31 January 2014 23: 48
        +3
        Quote: S-200
        There is NO blasphemy in THIS question !!!
        There is not blasphemy, but worse ... even the very posing of the question
        "Was it necessary to surrender Leningrad to save hundreds of thousands of lives?"
        already causes at least bewilderment ... not to PROTECT, but to hand over the city. That is, leaving aside the military significance of the city, the fact that with its fall the Baltic Fleet and a large grouping of ground forces perished, industrial significance, that the USSR was losing a lot of industrial enterprises, a sneaky blow was inflicted on the SPIRIT of WINNERS. People lived and often died STRUGGLING with the enemy, and here in the very question of "slap in the face" - voluntary surrender.
        So I agree with you only in one
        Quote: S-200
        Don't let yourself be "talked into"! (Gag)

        And is it any wonder then that in the account of the program "Vesti" there was a quote from the Reich Minister of Propaganda and Public Education Joseph Goebbels in "Statements of the great about ... ????????
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 31 January 2014 23: 57
          +2
          Alexander Nevsky: Die from your native land, but don’t leave!
    2. military
      military 31 January 2014 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: S-200
      For five cadet years in Belarus ...

      salute to the second faculty! ... wink drinks
      Quote: S-200
      (Putin was a conscious communist) ...

      but this is nothing more than a "theorem" ... and has not yet been proved by anyone ... wink
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  21. Djozz
    Djozz 31 January 2014 13: 32
    +3
    The Beeline television network has suspended the show of the Dozhd TV channel.
  22. sinukvl
    sinukvl 31 January 2014 14: 15
    +3
    People who I think up, approve and broadcast various variations on the theme "Maybe it was better to surrender Leningrad?", "Maybe the Nazis would have won better?" and the like, you need to deprive of citizenship and expel from Russia, because the one who throws mud at the country in which he was born and raised, as well as those thanks to whom he was born at all (I mean the WWII veterans who broke the back of the fascist creature, and not the parents of these moral freaks, especially since in most cases the parents of such personalities, if it came out with accuracy on their questions, would be quickly shot by the Nazis as persons of Jewish nationality) are not worthy to be a citizen of Russia.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 31 January 2014 14: 46
      0
      God marks rogue.
  23. dddym
    dddym 5 February 2014 09: 39
    0
    something like this...
  24. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 7 February 2014 15: 06
    +2
    Thanks for the article, Sergey ...

    Here is a photo of a man:
    Mikhail Mikhailovich Onoshko of the 83 of the year.
    He works in an open-air museum and still drives his T-34.
    Flint people.

    And the rain - in the furnace.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 7 February 2014 15: 20
      +2
      Leshka, this is a museum in Belarus "Stalin's Line", Schwartz wanted to buy Bteshka there for a cheap price, but he was sent traditionally in Russian laughing ears you Comrade Schwarneger from Aunt Fenin's cow, not a Russian tank!
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 7 February 2014 15: 22
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        this is a museum from Belarus "Stalin's Line", Schwartz wanted to buy Bteshka there for a cheap price, but it was sent traditionally in Russian, Comrade Schwarneger from Aunt Fenin's cow, and not a Russian tank!

        Ага.
        yes
        I really want to drive there ..................

        Sanya, you’re just like a walking encyclopedia - you know everything!
        laughing
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 7 February 2014 15: 40
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Well, you're just like a walking encyclopedia - you know everything!
          Yes, what is Lesh, there was just a transmission on the Star, he made a "notch" in his memory. By the way, BT-7 is almost the only operating one, it is not even in Kubinka.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 7 February 2014 15: 47
            +2
            Quote: Alex 241
            just a transmission on the Star was, "a notch" made in memory.

            Damn ... gotta look. I missed it.
            I really want to drive there.

            And according to the story told by Sergey:
            ...
            There was also something similar ...
            There was a night training session for the Parade, now people are allowed on them, but before this somehow it was not advertised.
            We train URA with a roll over all units, the equipment stands next to it, it warms up the engines.
            An old man comes up to us and asks with fright the guys from the back rows:
            - What happened ???
            - Well, one of ours blurted out:
            - That war, dad ...
            - The old man was blown away by the wind ...

            Still uncomfortable. Fucking army humor is not always appropriate. This is not a "legend", he listened with his own ears.
            Not on my own, but also in absentia I will apologize to my grandfather.
            recourse
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 7 February 2014 15: 52
              +2
              It was the same Lesh, one of our blurted out at TSU: The war is a grandmother, she almost hugged Kondraty. We were little fools! Now I would have cuddled for such humor!
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 7 February 2014 15: 55
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                It was similar to Lesh, one of our blurted out at TSU: War is a grandmother, she almost hugged Kondraty.

                Yeah ... the humor is similar, after all, from the same "stable" ...
                And then we were frozen, Parades were at 7 on November before, and that’s hardened ...
                It's a shame now.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 7 February 2014 15: 59
                  +2
                  We have Lesh in the winter, an evil February turned out to be -25. And all day on my feet. One joy was an army thermos with boiling tea, I remember I wanted to get into this thermos.
                  1. svp67
                    7 February 2014 17: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv

                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Alex 241

                    Children good drinks
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 7 February 2014 20: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: svp67
                      Children

                      Sergey, that we are never against "this case" in good company:
                      drinks
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 7 February 2014 20: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        Sergey, that we are never against "this case" in good company:
                        Keep laughing
                      2. svp67
                        7 February 2014 20: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Keep
                        Well, Alex, you are a "SADIST" ... from a can, beer ... as in youth ... Oh, how wonderful it was ...
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 7 February 2014 20: 40
                        +2
                        Remember Seryozha? Me too, and ram on a whip.
                      4. svp67
                        7 February 2014 21: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        I remembered ... and ramming on a whip.
                        You are not NOT a SADIST, you are worse - the SERPENT ARTIST, in what is your correct name ...
                2. svp67
                  7 February 2014 20: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Sergey, that we are never against "this case" in good company:

                  How is fishing then?
                3. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 8 February 2014 00: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  How is fishing then?

                  On Uvildy?
                  That is normal:
                  Ripus and squill nuts on the vents.

                  We are going to Turgoyak near Miass, but so far they have not distilled the mash for moonshine, and they have not bought oak bark at the pharmacy.
                  So while we are solving a new problem, Sergey ...
                  wink