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Russia vs. China. Fight for Central Asia ahead?

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Russia vs. China. Fight for Central Asia ahead?Seeing how dynamically China has been developing lately, and how Russia is humbly looking at the Chinese "invasion" in the zone of its once-immutable interests of Central Asia, one involuntarily wonders how far Russia is ready to follow this line of behavior towards China in the Central Asian region, being content with the minor role? Here is what Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in 90-s in his book “The Great Chessboard”, some excerpts from the summarizing part of the chapter “The Eurasian Balkans”: “The geostrategic consequences for America are obvious: America is too far away to dominate this part of Eurasia (Caucasus, Middle Asia - E.H.'s note), but too strong not to be involved in events at this theater. All countries in this region view American participation as necessary for their survival. Russia is too weak to restore imperial dominance over the region or to exclude other actors from its fate, but it is too close and too strong to neglect.


China is too strong, and Russia and the states of Central Asia cannot but fear it; nevertheless, its very presence and economic dynamism facilitate the realization of Central Asia’s aspiration to enter a wider global arena. Hence the conclusion that America’s primary interest is to help ensure a situation in which no power would control this geopolitical space, and the world community would have unhindered financial and economic access to it.
The states that deserve the strongest geopolitical support from America are Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and (outside this region) Ukraine; all three are geopolitical centers.

The role of Kiev reinforces the argument that Ukraine is a key state insofar as its own future evolution of Russia is affected. At the same time, Kazakhstan (given its scale, economic potential and geographically important location) also deserves reasonable international support and long-term economic assistance.

In this region, America shares common interests not only with stable, pro-Western Turkey, but also with Iran and China.

China’s growing economic presence in the region and its political stake in regional independence are also in the interests of America. Chinese support for Pakistani efforts in Afghanistan is also a positive factor, since closer Pakistani-Afghan relations would make international access to Turkmenistan more likely, thereby helping to strengthen both this state and Uzbekistan (if Kazakhstan fluctuates). ”

The unhindered access of the “world community” to one region or another can be interpreted in the Anglo-Saxon presentation very widely, from international trade on the conditions set by the West to humanitarian bombardments, if one state or another is rich in hydrocarbon resources for some reason resists mutually beneficial "trade and economic relations with world powers.

What kind of “powerful geopolitical support” to Ukraine is provided by our Western “partners”, we can now observe with our own eyes, and the Central Asian elites are surely watching these processes very carefully. Depending on whether Russia will win the fight for Ukraine or not, it will be easy or, on the contrary, integration of the post-Soviet South into the Eurasian project is very difficult.

Brzezinski writes directly that the growing presence of China in the "Eurasian Balkans" is beneficial to America. Here, the interests of the Anglo-Saxons and the Chinese are the same, so in order to maintain their positions, Russia needs to carry out a wide range of economic and humanitarian measures in the region, from investments in new production to numerous humanitarian programs. The rudiments of all this are there, but they are extremely small and fragmented, the efforts that Russia is putting to the region of Central Asia are currently insufficient. And if you still remember the “warm and friendly” attitude in Russia towards people coming to work from Central Asia, you can at least remotely understand how Russia loses in the struggle for the South with consolidated Western China efforts.

In fact, so far only with the hands of China, the West cuts off Central Asia from Russia. The economic expansion of China, which has been slowly but surely increasing in the post-Soviet South, over the past twenty years, is only the first step in the possible future colonization of Central Asia and the acquisition by the states of a new, more rigid and pragmatic “older brother” in the person of the Middle Kingdom.

In modern conditions, real hostilities are an extreme step, when all other peaceful ways and means have been exhausted.

While the humanitarian instrument of “seizure” by China of Central Asia is the SCO, this structure gives the Celestial Empire a completely official corridor of advancement in the region.

The fact that the Chinese initiative to form the SCO Development Bank did not immediately succeed, did not prevent Xi Jinping from taking a ride before the summit in almost the entire post-Soviet Central Asia (with the exception of Tajikistan) and sign agreements worth several billions of dollars. It must be said that due to the fact that the virus is rampant in Russia with virtually nothing of unlimited corruption and the craze for leading various large-scale sports events, we simply have no opportunity to repeat the “feat” of Comrade X in relation to Central Asia.

If one imagined the situation metaphorically, the Chinese dragon looked at the Russian bear for a long time, and when he realized that he didn’t have much strength, he began to "choke" in "golden paws" of Central Asia.

The next stage of expansion of China in the region is the protection of the infrastructure built on Chinese money (pipelines) and "peacekeeping" missions. The “Germans of the East” never give nothing for nothing (unlike Russia, which can forgive debts - a fresh example is Kyrgyzstan). And here for the Chinese just a gift of fate, leaving this year the main group of NATO from Afghanistan. Now, under the trend of “security threat in Central Asia” and under the auspices of the SCO, it will be possible to crush even more deeply the Chinese dragon paws of the region.

“We need to learn how to protect cross-border pipelines after their introduction due to security risks in Xinjiang and Central Asia,” said Xing Guangcheng, a specialist in Central Asia at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

Further, as soon as China performs its first “peacekeeping” mission in Central Asia, the “Russian bear” can finally pack its bags, “close the den” and leave the post-Soviet South.

Against the background of the decreasing influence of Russia in Central Asia, abstraction from helping to resolve regional ethnic and territorial problems, the role of China as an arbitrator in the region will finally bury the remnants of Russian influence.

And our Western “friends” (remembering the Brzezinski covenants) very much want to see China as an arbitrator in Central Asia: “Alexandros Petersen, author of the book“ World Island: Eurasian Geopolitics and the Fate of the West ”and co-editor of the site Chinaincentralasia.com, said that Chinese officials and entrepreneurs did not deal with local communities or did not take their social responsibilities in the countries of Central Asia seriously, thus causing further discontent about China.

“Sometimes Chinese officials missed this opportunity because they were too careful,” he says. "They believe that China should work in the background."

One example is the inaction of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) under the leadership of China during ethnic clashes in Kyrgyzstan in 2010, in which about 420 people died, Petersen said.

The SCO, founded by China, Russia and Central Asian countries in 1996, called for a diplomatic approach to resolving the crisis, rather than playing a more active role, and not showing up as good forces in the region, Petersen said.

“The SCO can become a more significant actor when it comes to establishing stability and security, as well as political integration,” he says.

Yes, while the Chinese comrades were “ashamed” to intervene in the Central Asian ethnic contradictions, but only for the time being ...

In a recent interview given by Ukrainska Pravda, Zbigniew Brzezinski, he said: “... Russia's prospects at the head of the Eurasian Union are fiction. And this union will break up - for economic, social and personal reasons. As a result, it will only lead to Russia's growing unwillingness to meet the growing influence of China in Central Asia. ”

Nobody has canceled the goals of the West to knock together Russia and China, Central Asia in the upcoming geopolitical circumstances - almost an ideal battlefield.

According to the fierce resistance of the West of Ukrainian-Russian integration, it can be assumed that the fight in Central Asia can be even hotter. And here the anti-Russian efforts in relation to Eurasian integration will be doubled - the West plus China.

It’s time for the Russian President to decide what is more important for him, Olympiads, football championships, etc. or Eurasian integration project.
And most importantly, how ready is he for the future clash for Central Asia ...
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  1. makarov
    makarov 29 January 2014 07: 23
    +7
    I don’t understand something: - and who in the picture is Yulia Tymoshenko hugging (?), Is it really Pol Pot, or Gene Sory ???? laughing wassat
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 January 2014 07: 32
      +4
      Well, what are you girls in an embrace, so to speak, faces of a gay.

      Propaganda in the Soviet style, sometimes you look at the image as a joke (artists have a little imagination with imagination).
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 29 January 2014 08: 49
        +1
        This paragraph is especially surprising.
        it did not stop Xi Jinping from traveling before the summit practically throughout the entire post-Soviet Central Asia (with the exception of Tajikistan) and signing agreements worth several tens of billions of dollars. I must say that due to the fact that the virus is rampant in Russia with virtually no unlimited corruption and the general craze for the leadership of various large-scale sporting events, we simply do not have the opportunity to repeat the “feat” of Comrade X with respect to Central Asia.


        The author of the article again presses on emotions))) Well, what kind of idiotic parallels between the Olympics and influence in Central Asia ?? What kind of attempts to pull an owl on a globe?

        1) Central Asia - a place of intersection of interests of China and the Russian Federation - YES
        2) The influence of the Russian Federation in Central Asia is great, but decreases
        3) In what form does the author propose butting for this region?

        Let me assume that if we start building industrial enterprises there, then rumors in the style will spread "Enough to feed the Central Asians - not enough yourself.", here from one loan Ukrainians raised such a PWM ...

        1) We are concluding agreements with the EU for billions of euros, does this indicate our expansion into Europe?

        2) While Comrade Xi traveled to Central Asia, we have already expanded our military presence in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. Bought many infrastructure facilities and more.


        To disassemble the whole article thesis - you will hesitate, the whole article is like Babkin, some suspenders and powder.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 29 January 2014 10: 01
          0
          Think smartly good
          1. alone
            alone 29 January 2014 19: 10
            0
            Russia vs. China. Fight for Central Asia ahead?


            Already. A fight is already underway, while China is ahead of events. Against the background of Tajikistan’s territorial concessions to China, the influx of Chinese economic structures into the region is one of the most striking examples of this activity.
      2. T-100
        T-100 29 January 2014 11: 56
        0
        Propaganda in the Soviet style, sometimes you look at the image as a joke (artists have a little imagination with imagination).

        The artists are fine, in the style of propaganda, but our perverted fantasy leaves much to be desired, your text as an example
        Well, what are you embracing girls-so to speak faces nonconventional orientation.
    2. Civil
      Civil 29 January 2014 07: 35
      0
      I would like to say how in the 19th century, all these CIS and Baltic countries "haven’t sniffed a Russian boot for a long time." Especially the Galician semi-Poles.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 29 January 2014 11: 33
        +1
        I would like to say how in the 19th century, all these CIS and Baltic countries "haven’t sniffed a Russian boot for a long time." Especially the Galician semi-Poles.


        Oh late, late, the guys boast of a glorious Russian force that took neighboring small nations into the Union under their protection.
        Everything is in the past, is it really unclear to you. They would have to keep their current borders, since the Soviet nuclear deterrence weapon was not all self-destructed.
        We need to "thank" our "uncontested" leaders of the state, Judas Gorbachev, EBNU with the campaign, and the current tandem between Putin and Medvedev, who has appointed Serdyukov, the furniture-liquidator of the Army, at the head of the Defense Ministry.
    3. Canep
      Canep 29 January 2014 07: 43
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      Yulia Tymoshenko hugs (?), Really Pol Pot,

      Tymoshenko + Pol Pot = Democracy.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 29 January 2014 18: 54
        +1
        Again whipping up passions. The author must poke his nose into the map of the railway and highways. And then ask about the main consumers of our exports. And how do CA countries deliver their goods without Russian participation? Until recently, all Turkmen gas was purchased by GAZPROM. Uzbek cotton in the west generally called for boycotting. Kazakhstan oil of 80 mil. mining from a force of 10 goes east. The main stream through Russia. Well, the stream of migrant workers goes not to the east, but to Russia. The most powerful pressure lever that the RF does not use. All weapons of Soviet-Russian origin. ALL CA COUNTRIES DEPEND heavily on Russia.
        Indeed, we have extensive trade relations with China. But this is not the first year. So partners checked by time and deeds. Moreover, the West does not seek to invest not in raw material projects. And I do not agree that the West and the PRC have the same goals in Central Asia. Some will only be happy with the social explosions in our region, the emergence of radical, extremist and terrorist organizations. But the PRC also did not have enough radical, Muslim-style terrorists on the borders with Central Asia. China declares its interest in transit through Central Asia and the Russian Federation further to the West (but does not want to become dependent on the West for transit and does not show particular interest - although private transport companies are more interested here). The West shows interest in Central Asia only in terms of raw materials and the sales market, the PRC shows the same interest (but gives more preferences in the form of loans) - so they are more likely competitors than allies in terms of influence on CA countries. hi
  2. ele1285
    ele1285 29 January 2014 07: 24
    +2
    I did not like too many links to this idiot.
    All states in this region see American participation as necessary for their survival. Russia is too weak to regain imperial dominance over the region or to exclude other actors from its fate, but it is too close and too strong to be neglected.

    One desire to say, "close your mouth"
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 January 2014 07: 36
      +8
      As for the Chinese, they will always act in their own Chinese style (quietly and invisibly for others to infiltrate the outside world)


      We wake up in the morning, oops ... and around our bed a lot of Chinese are already running around, carrying us out with the bed.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 29 January 2014 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        As for the Chinese, they will always act in their own Chinese style (quietly and invisibly for others to infiltrate the outside world)


        We wake up in the morning, oops ... and around our bed a lot of Chinese are already running around, carrying us out with the bed.


        Clearly, there are so many Chinese))) Somewhere they need to be introduced. Here, my neighbor has cockroaches on top, the neighbor has the same thing from below. And to me they tried to infiltrate a couple of times, got a cradle, and that's all, they’re not climbing laughing
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 29 January 2014 08: 21
      +3
      educated minssoyam
  3. Onizuka teacher
    Onizuka teacher 29 January 2014 07: 30
    +12
    Did the dragon begin to strangle the paw of the SA? Complete nonsense. Business and just do not need to describe everything so tragically and make a threat from China. First, let OUR goods into your possession, as stated in the TS, otherwise you must not pass such conditions, for example, Kostanay farmers cannot sell meat there because their goods are not allowed into the Russian market by finding one and one reason, but the meat we are cheaper than yours. And this is only meat and dairy products. But your ermigud and so on passes to us but is not in great demand, because we have high-quality Natizhe products. Such an attitude far gathered ah?
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 29 January 2014 08: 26
      +4
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Such an attitude far gathered ah?

      Far away, you don’t know how much. laughing Yes, they won’t tell you this, the plan is secret. laughing
    2. alex-s
      alex-s 29 January 2014 09: 29
      +2
      But your ermigud and so on passes to us but is not much in demand

      So the brand of drinking yoghurts Ermigurt was launched on the Russian market by the German company Ehrmann.
    3. avt
      avt 29 January 2014 10: 04
      +5
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Kostanay farmers cannot sell meat there due to the fact that their goods are not allowed into the Russian market after finding a hundred and one reasons, but we have cheaper meat than you. And this is only meat and dairy products.

      request Business - nothing personal, the USSR with a planned and distribution economy will take into account in 1991. And do you think the same Old Man came to Moscow lightly with his milk and all the merchants rejoiced and rejoiced at low prices ??? But it was long before the vehicle. Or do you seriously believe that at the mention of EURASES, traders will refuse to make super profits and, like that, will be allowed to the consumer without purchase prices ?? In the yard is capitalism, with its theft of surplus value, and with what fright, suddenly, only because of the signed agreements of the CU, will the hosyuki share it? The strongest survives, fight with the application of TS standards.
  4. Denis
    Denis 29 January 2014 07: 31
    +4
    China's economic expansion, which is slowly but surely growing in the post-Soviet South over the past twenty years, is only the first step in a possible future colonization of Central Asia
    Very, very similar. Politicians say one thing, it’s their job, but somehow you believe eyewitness accounts. I don’t know how in other republics, and in Tajikistan the Chinese settled tight, that it’s not difficult to sell rakhmon. Divas are given, Tajiks work in Russia, and in Dushanbe they are building, though they are not sweeping, the Chinese.
    Clothing shoes are clear whose production and cars too
  5. Name
    Name 29 January 2014 07: 41
    +4
    Greetings to all. What is surprising is the reproaches towards Russia regarding the “warm and friendly” attitude in Russia towards people who come to work from Central Asia ... It is worth tightening the rules for entry and stay in Russia for migrants and begins whining and outright blackmail by the state - Central Asia.
    So far, China is a strategic partner of Russia and not the West, so we’ll agree on areas of influence on mutually beneficial conditions. China will cede in Central Asia, Russia will help in the APR. hi
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 29 January 2014 08: 28
      -2
      Quote: name
      Greetings to all. What is surprising is the reproaches towards Russia regarding the “warm and friendly” attitude in Russia towards people who come to work from Central Asia ... It is worth tightening the rules for entry and stay in Russia for migrants and begins whining and outright blackmail by the state - Central Asia.
      So far, China is a strategic partner of Russia and not the West, so we’ll agree on areas of influence on mutually beneficial conditions. China will cede in Central Asia, Russia will help in the APR. hi

      And why do we actually need it ?? 7 Well, let the Chinas take it to themselves. We have a headache will decrease.
  6. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 07: 45
    +5
    Quote: Denis
    Very, very similar. Politicians say one thing, it’s their job, but somehow you believe eyewitness accounts. I don’t know how in other republics, and in Tajikistan the Chinese settled tight, that it’s not difficult to sell rakhmon. Divas are given, Tajiks work in Russia, and in Dushanbe they are building, though they are not sweeping, the Chinese.

    That's about the same picture in Kyrgyzstan, the Chinese are building roads, enterprises, for their own loans, in the end they provide themselves with work, and the state receives some infrastructure of dubious quality in exchange for debts for which future generations have to pay for a long time. At the same time, a huge part of the able-bodied population is earning money in Russia ... These are metamorphoses, but someone says there is no need to make a threat from China. fool
    1. Onizuka teacher
      Onizuka teacher 29 January 2014 07: 51
      -1
      Quote: DARDANEC
      some infrastructure of dubious quality

      Questionable quality do you wassat . But Kyrgyz repair is done on a four. I was in China, rested on Hainan, were in Beijing and brought a lot of things from there, everything has been working for several years. For Kazakhstan, China is a business partner, and if you are better off living without
      Quote: DARDANEC
      dubious infrastructure
      please, can you build yourself and stop asking for money? bully .
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  7. major071
    major071 29 January 2014 07: 49
    +8
    Put article minus. Everything is too gloomy for the author. Well, I would not begin to quote Brzezinski with his attitude to Russia. Of course, it is necessary to keep an eye on China, and not relax at all, but at present China is our strategic partner, as if the West does not want to. I think that there will be not one more attempt to drive a wedge between Russia and China. Geopolitics, damn it ...
  8. svoi
    svoi 29 January 2014 07: 51
    +3
    It’s unpleasant to admit, but if the Chinese take up Central Asia seriously, they will squeeze out, with their strategic approach, attitude to time, expansion "on the sly." On the other hand, subject to the establishment of order in the region, there will be a buffer from drugs and other negativity from the Afghanist.
  9. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 07: 53
    +5
    Quote: Teacher Onizuka
    Such an attitude far gathered ah?

    And you "gathered far with such an attitude"? The Republic of Kazakhstan behaves in exactly the same way in relation to Kyrgyzstan, the examples are the same - meat and dairy products, all of this in our Chui region is much cheaper, but access to the market in the south of Kazakhstan in the past few years has been closed for far-fetched reasons (one thousand and one), only because RK supports its own producers ... It is quite a pragmatic approach and in the north of Kazakhstan the picture is the same, exactly the opposite. And there is no need to dash the Russians, the result is a policy of double standards, you take offense at the Russians for the same measures that you are taking in relation to your "brotherly" people. hi
    1. Onizuka teacher
      Onizuka teacher 29 January 2014 08: 19
      -1
      Quote: DARDANEC
      And you "gathered far with such an attitude"? The Republic of Kazakhstan behaves in exactly the same way in relation to Kyrgyzstan, the examples are the same - meat and dairy products, all of this in our Chui region is much cheaper, but access to the market in the south of Kazakhstan in the past few years has been closed for far-fetched reasons (one thousand and one), only because RK supports its own producers ... It is quite a pragmatic approach and in the north of Kazakhstan the picture is the same, exactly the opposite. And there is no need to dash the Russians, the result is a policy of double standards, you take offense at the Russians for the same measures that you are taking in relation to your "brotherly" people.

      Products from the Russian Federation come to us on a large scale, but ours does not. And your consumer goods and vegetables / fruits enter our markets on a huge scale so there’s no need to think up fool .
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  10. Belogor
    Belogor 29 January 2014 08: 07
    +5
    I agree, who just doesn’t kick at Russia. They would look at themselves. All these unreasonable claims on the Russian Federation will someday force her to hide a carrot and pull out a whip.
  11. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 08: 11
    +4
    Quote: Teacher Onizuka
    please, can you build yourself and stop asking for money? .

    Personally, I have not asked anything from anyone and am not going to, but ask for our rulers.
    Yes, and in China, too, was (Beijing, Urumqi, Tianjin), was there for more than a month, and visited the prom. objects, and I’ve been working closely with the Chinese for the 6th year already. As for the quality of their industrial facilities and equipment, I know this by hearsay (we’re still redoing what they have done), and what kind of people are also aware of it, besides money, they have little interest. You can not tell me.
    Nobody claims that nothing works for them, they are great fellows and there is something to learn from them, but whether it is worth providing them with a loan is an interesting question, then I personally doubt the advisability of such actions, especially since there are still many questions. It’s not a fact that all the workers will leave, they have piled on the ecology big even at home, not like abroad, constantly there are conflicts with the local population, etc.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 29 January 2014 08: 33
      +5
      [quote = DARDANEC] I have been working closely with the Chinese for the 6th year already. As for the quality of their industrial facilities and equipment, I know this by hearsay (we’re still redoing what they have done), and what kind of people are also aware of it, they don’t have much interest in money. You can not tell me.

      That's for sure, I’ve been working with them since 2002. He freaks out at them, they are incorrigible in a sense. In addition to money and grub, nothing really exists in life for them. Over the years of acquaintance with them, there is only one Chinese, with whom I am glad to meet and communicate, he is not stupid, like other Chinese.
  12. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 08: 17
    +5
    Quote: Teacher Onizuka
    Questionable quality do you

    But your quality is beyond competition !?
    And we believe that no one does anything at all, except for the Chinese, of course, it will be easier for you. good
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 29 January 2014 08: 34
      +4
      Quote: DARDANEC
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Questionable quality do you

      But your quality is beyond competition !?
      And we believe that no one does anything at all, except for the Chinese, of course, it will be easier for you. good

      How dare you doubt "Steppe Foxes", "Modern Batyrs". These are the founders of all tribes and peoples. Adam himself was a Kazakh; they have the sweetest grass and the bluest sky and all the most. And the rest of the vile little people only dream of enslaving and taking away what they have acquired with back-breaking labor. laughing
  13. saag
    saag 29 January 2014 08: 19
    +1
    "It is high time for the President of Russia to decide what is more important to him, Olympiads, football championships."

    This is what is important to him, because at the Russia-EU summit it was stated "Regarding advice to Ukraine, how and what to do. I think that the Ukrainian people are able to figure it out on their own. In any case, Russia will never interfere in this." and "We will be with our partners in Ukraine, whoever heads the Ukrainian government, we will conduct a dialogue with them"
    The keywords "never" and "whoever leads", it seems that it was said under dictation, in other words, do what you want, just do not touch the Olympics, in my opinion, very few people need it, and its organization turned into some kind of farce , at least a measure in my opinion compared to the 80 Olympics, when it was really an event.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 29 January 2014 10: 19
      -2
      Quote: saag
      "It is high time for the President of Russia to decide what is more important to him, Olympiads, football championships."

      This is what is important to him, because at the Russia-EU summit it was stated "Regarding advice to Ukraine, how and what to do. I think that the Ukrainian people are able to figure it out on their own. In any case, Russia will never interfere in this." and "We will be with our partners in Ukraine, whoever heads the Ukrainian government, we will conduct a dialogue with them"
      The keywords "never" and "whoever leads", it seems that it was said under dictation, in other words, do what you want, just do not touch the Olympics, in my opinion, very few people need it, and its organization turned into some kind of farce , at least a measure in my opinion compared to the 80 Olympics, when it was really an event.


      Are you so naive as to believe a KGB officer? What else did he have to say?
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 29 January 2014 10: 36
        0
        ,, Fed, have you seen the order? No? And I didn't see. Maybe rolled under the throne? "
  14. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 29 January 2014 08: 25
    +4
    too foggy and exaggerated, the Chinese do not go around Tashkent in crowds and there are no large corporations, but there is Lukoil, Belayn and others. Uzbek is cunning, build a 50 by 50 + 1 plant and we steer, and you invest money, as you conditions, and it’s another matter thin, there is a man chevrolet dr. and their state protects high import duties up to 70-80%. Come to trade a system, and then money somehow.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 29 January 2014 08: 39
      +1
      Quote: platitsyn70
      too foggy and exaggerated, the Chinese do not go in crowds in Tashkent and there are no large corporations, but there is Lukoil, Belayn, etc.

      Maybe you are not so bad with the Chinese as in neighboring Tajikistan, but this does not mean that this cup has passed you ...
  15. Nayhas
    Nayhas 29 January 2014 08: 37
    +2
    The author correctly sets the motion vector of China from Central Asia, but some conclusions are simply ridiculous:
    And here for the Chinese it’s just a gift of fate, this year’s departure of the main NATO group from Afghanistan.

    The author may not have been particularly versed in the issue, but China made a lot of efforts to withdraw the United States and its allies from Afghanistan. China kicked the United States out of Pakistan, now Pakistan and the United States are neither friends nor allies, although they were previously inseparable. Earlier, China (it was he, not the United States) helped the Mujahideen to expel the USSR from Afghanistan, now China is pursuing a policy of economic expansion in Central Asia, which is facilitated by the love of local "elites" for bribes ... China in bulk. While Russia and the United States were betting on military bases, China was giving out loans, creating joint ventures and making "friends." If the old generation of officials still remembers the USSR and has ties with Russia, then the new generation of officials has no special guidelines for Russia ...
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  17. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 08: 51
    +2
    Quote: Teacher Onizuka
    Products from the Russian Federation come to us on a large scale, but ours does not. And your consumer goods and vegetables / fruits enter our markets on a huge scale so there’s no need to think up

    It means from Russia on a large scale, and from Kyrgyzstan on a huge scale, I doubt it, even just looking at the map.
    You gave a concrete example of meat and milk, and we are talking about this topic, and here is "consumer goods and vegetables / fruits". But with regards to milk and meat, no one "thinks up" anything, google the materials on this topic, our milk in raw or processed form does not go to Kazakhstan, with rare exceptions (there are a bunch of accessories, although they used to buy it in a very serious amount), and yoghurt, cottage cheese, milk, etc. are imported from Kazakhstan. etc. The same gimmick with meat and meat products.
  18. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 08: 54
    +3
    Quote: ed65b
    How dare you doubt "Steppe Foxes", "Modern Batyrs". These are the founders of all tribes and peoples. Adam himself was a Kazakh; they have the sweetest grass and the bluest sky and all the most. And the rest of the vile little people only dream of enslaving and taking away what they have acquired with back-breaking labor.

    good good good
    Yes, and the truth is, as I could. They also came up with oil and gas ... laughing
  19. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 08: 57
    +1
    Quote: platitsyn70
    too foggy and exaggerated, the Chinese do not go around Tashkent in crowds and there are no large corporations, but there is Lukoil, Belayn and others. Uzbek is cunning, build a 50 by 50 + 1 plant and we steer, and you invest money, as you conditions, and it’s another matter thin, there is a man chevrolet dr. and their state protects high import duties up to 70-80%. Come to trade a system, and then money somehow.

    I have no doubt about the practicality of the authorities of Uzbekistan, you most likely have found the right approach to the Chinese. But our baymanapas, in my opinion, have not yet managed to sell the country to the Chinese and all their relatives in addition ... This is worrying.
  20. Dardanec
    29 January 2014 08: 59
    +3
    Quote: Humpty
    That's for sure, I’ve been working with them since 2002. He freaks out at them, they are incorrigible in a sense. In addition to money and grub, nothing really exists in life for them. Over the years of acquaintance with them, there is only one Chinese, with whom I am glad to meet and communicate, he is not stupid, like other Chinese.

    I agree completely, but now I’ve been freaking out I’ve stopped recently, I used to think that the roof will eat with Chinese techies to work ...
  21. Lindon
    Lindon 29 January 2014 09: 06
    +7
    In fact, so far only with the hands of China, the West is cutting Central Asia away from Russia.


    The author misinterpreted. Russia, creating the SCO, together with China, is squeezing out of Central Asia - the West in the person of the United States.
    For example, documents were posted on Wikileaks - the US Ambassador from Bishkek reported that the Chinese Ambassador offered a bribe to Bishkek for closing the Manas military base. In the report, the US Ambassador personally asked his Chinese counterpart to confirm or deny this information. The oriental Chinese hinted that such huge sums were needed by themselves, but the American did not believe it and only believed more.
    Russia and China through the SCO created a tandem to jointly protect Central Asia from the West.
    China enters in money - from the Chinese they will be accepted into Central Asia.
    Russia enters military bases - its troops will not meet the protests of the peoples of Central Asia.
    Such a mutually beneficial tandem.
  22. Ta Ta
    Ta Ta 29 January 2014 09: 50
    +1
    Especially big difference is not to be seen between a) -take when you are slowly poured with acid, or b) - when you are poured with a club on the "kumpol". Won Sashai already Mali, Somalia and (in the second round) Iraq "master". And Russia ... And you read HOW cool the main assistant helps compatriots (stuck behind its "cordon").
  23. The gentleman
    The gentleman 29 January 2014 10: 23
    +1
    the article is controversial. in case there is a choice between the Russian Federation and China, the Russian Federation will win in this matter. all the same, there is one story, they were in one state. China will be seen as an investor, but Russia will remain a strategic partner. in addition, there is also the realization that if you give a slack to a Chinese, then it will be hard to drive him out later
  24. ed65b
    ed65b 29 January 2014 10: 59
    +1
    I don’t know how the rest of the CA countries but Karimov certainly will not surrender without a fight. Yes, and he, in principle, FSU. The Chinese are Americans, Russia, the main thing for him is to squeeze the maximum out of everyone for himself and toss. The pragmatist of pure water. laughing
  25. Yeraz
    Yeraz 29 January 2014 13: 11
    +4
    The Chinese are the Germans of the East ???? Author drinking ???)))
    It would be more correct to compare the Germans with the Japanese)
  26. Clueless
    Clueless 29 January 2014 15: 18
    +1
    Such materials amuse me, like Russia is weak, and China is strong. Here is the current, unlike China, we fight almost all the time, and win.

    If we were so weak, as many people write, we had long been rummaging with giblets, and nuclear weapons would not have helped.
  27. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 29 January 2014 15: 37
    0
    The SCO needs to be filled with joint projects based on mutually beneficial and long-term cooperation, including military-technical and military-political, the Chinese are just
    This is what they are achieving, and we all look back at the Geyropu and the States. So it is still unknown who is trying to breed whom.