US demanded to withdraw special forces from Kiev streets

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US demanded to withdraw special forces from Kiev streets

"Take the police special forces from the streets and respond to the discontent of the Ukrainian people" urged the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych, Vice President of the United States Joe Biden. In particular, he warned the Ukrainian president "against taking tough measures."

“There’s no time to lose” for a peaceful solution to the problem of “confrontation between the Ukrainian government and the protesters,” Biden addressed his interlocutor during telephone conversations between Kiev and Washington. The talks were initiated by the American side, Interfax notes.

This, by the way, is the second in the last 7 days call Biden Yanukovych.

Viktor Yanukovych and the working group on resolving the political crisis held on January 27, 2014, a meeting with leaders of the opposition factions. Justice Minister Elena Lukash, summing up the negotiations, said that the head of "Batkivschiny" Arseniy Yatsenyuk refused the offer of the president to head the government of Ukraine.

In addition, it was decided to repeal the laws passed on January 16. These bills were the subject of numerous discussions and mass protests on the Grushevsky street in Kiev. The provisions of the laws that have lost their force will be worked out jointly by the government and the opposition. However, those laws that did not cause any comments, 28 January will be adopted again by Parliament, said Lukas.

On January 28, EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton will leave for Kiev covered with protests.

Catherine Ashton urged the Kiev opposition not to resort to violence. She is confident that the only way out of the conflict is political. "The parties need to urgently sit down at the negotiating table and build a true dialogue that will lead to consensus," she is sure.

The head of EU diplomacy is concerned about reports that the Ukrainian leadership is about to declare a state of emergency. She believes that this will serve as an impetus for the further escalation of the conflict.
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  1. +82
    28 January 2014 09: 26
    Who are they to demand something? First, let their own special forces be recalled from all over the world, and let America be returned to its original owners, most of whom were safely killed, and a minority driven into the reservation.
    1. +59
      28 January 2014 09: 55
      The more slack you give, you give in to these scum (USA), the more they demand ...
      1. +39
        28 January 2014 09: 58
        That's right, you can’t give slack and not be threatened.
        Russia, too, was not threatened with anything during the "swamp" events, so what? Where are the sanctions and bombers over the Kremlin?
        But Yanyk is not Putin, the peasant has no eggs ... He preferred to self-demolish and make an uncomplicated look, bargaining with the bandits with a boxer at the head for all sorts of concessions for rejecting the adopted laws and promising the golden mountains with the cabinet of the minister ... a political prostitute - a prostitute in everything is just about Yanyka ...
      2. +2
        28 January 2014 11: 02
        US demanded to withdraw special forces from Kiev streets

        The casket just opens.
        1. Fin
          +2
          28 January 2014 11: 43
          Quote: SibRUS
          The casket just opens.

          Well thought out. While Yanyk is looking for his iron eggs, you can be a planted doll such as Gauka.
          1. Salamander
            +1
            28 January 2014 12: 23
            Well, let Yanukovych agree, but subject to the withdrawal of NATO units from Europe laughing
            Then we will introduce troops into Ukraine and Europe, and everywhere there will be a complete order ...
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      4. AVV
        +1
        28 January 2014 13: 30
        ShturmKGB
        The more slack you give, you give in to these scum (USA), the more they demand ...

        Yes, show the states a thick BIG-Ben, so that they would not stick their nose in all the cracks !!!
      5. +2
        28 January 2014 13: 44
        ShturmKGB
        The more slack you give, you give in to these scum (USA), the more they demand ...

        They cannot be met when you meet them on any issue. then they perceive this as weakness and begin to demand even more, and their demands will never end, and if they have not conceded somewhere, then all past concessions are forgotten, which we clearly saw under Gorbachev and the EBN. With them you have to be tough and unyielding, only then they begin to respect and listen.
        1. No_more
          +2
          28 January 2014 18: 34
          And if you think about the information war, then everything is correct. I’ve been thinking for a long time when the authorities will call the representatives of the protesters to themselves and ask what’s wrong, let's work, they will arrange it as publicly as possible, and Europeans will be invited to look at it.
          The representatives of the protesters showed that there were no concrete proposals and they did not want to work, but only they were destabilizing in the interests of the governments of other states. But this cannot be declared as one of their interests under the Europeans. Laws they removed that seemed especially cruel as a result of the arguments for the justification of the riots remains less and less.
      6. +1
        28 January 2014 22: 53
        ShturmKGB
        The more slack you give, you give in to these scum (USA), the more they demand ...


        That's why I don’t like Ukrainians and Yanukovych at the head of them all. As soon as the fried smell immediately begins to bustle and merge. Instead of pouring ice over this foolish maidan to the waist, and g.vn.yukov to rot in a pre-trial detention center, they are negotiating there ... Yanukovych is just a pink stropon. They fasten him and put him in there, the light does not shine, but he makes concessions, they say, but they say that he can tolerate it without Vaseline ...

        That's right, Oles Buzina said - The opposition is a dragon with three heads, but unlike the classic Gorynych, it’s also a stirrup, just European-nourished. I would add that it is like a snake Gorynych, but on the contrary - the head is like a head at a stropon, according to seats there are for everyone.
    2. +5
      28 January 2014 09: 59
      We, as always, sat backwards in a puddle ... The golden eagle is not special forces and has never been laughing
      1. +3
        28 January 2014 10: 39
        Quote: domokl
        . The golden eagle is not special forces and has never been


        Golden eagle "(Ukrainian. Golden eagle, read Golden eagle) - special police units at the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine
        1. +10
          28 January 2014 10: 45
          Quote: Vadivak
          special police units at the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine

          They jerked ... Not for special, but for SPECIAL purposes ... In the Russian version, such units are called OMON (I don’t know how now) ... OMON was never a special forces ... Do not mislead the people ...
          1. +2
            28 January 2014 15: 04
            Quote: domokl
            .Not special, but SPECIAL purposes .... Do not mislead people ...



            Decrypt PMSN "Golden eagle" and do not mislead the people.
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        2. Felix200970
          0
          28 January 2014 21: 57
          Quote: Vadivak
          Golden eagle "(Ukrainian. Golden eagle, read Golden eagle) - special police units at the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine

          Not a special, but a SPECIAL purpose. Don't confuse pornography with erotica. Both tasks are different. In general, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the poultry farm, an ear can be broken for an incompetent person. A former clown from the Griffin just spoke on TV. For the uninitiated, there is still some kind of bird special forces. But in fact, the division of ensuring the safety of employees of the judicial and investigative bodies
      2. 0
        28 January 2014 23: 09
        Alexander, you deuce)) Golden Eagle police special forces)) lol

        On October 24, 2013, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine issued Order No. 1011 “On approval of the Regulation on the special unit of the Berkut Public Security Police”. On January 11, 2014, the order was registered with the Ministry of Justice under number 19/24796, and entered into force on January 21.

        so golden eagle special forces
    3. +7
      28 January 2014 10: 22
      Quote: Stiletto
      Who are they to demand something?

      In their bank, Yanyk keeps his nest egg. His family has a business and lives there herself. West any and at any time without pants leave in two minutes. He might be glad to blather something in return, but he couldn’t, he would be bitten by his own. In Russia, by the way, the same trouble.
      1. +2
        28 January 2014 10: 48
        Quote: chunga-changa
        In Russia, by the way, the same trouble.
        Well, then there is a proven method of manipulation: you "put" the population on foreign currency, promote international business, promote the primacy of your "culture" (in particular, since this is a culture of money, you instill the idea that not having accounts abroad is not solid) - and voila! - a country from small to large becomes a puppet, each has its own thread, and the puppeteer does not take experience.
      2. +18
        28 January 2014 10: 54
        That's right ...
        Well, why does the "west" require something ...
        Because the "Maidan" is organized by the West and with its money ....
        In revenge that Yanuk threw them (although he promised)))
        This is not a protest of the PEOPLE, residents of Ukraine .... towards the nationalization of power and improving the lives of people (in the future))
        This is fascism-an attempt to appropriate someone else and exist at this expense ....

        Let's remember Bandera, he also carried European values ​​to Ukraine, fascism goes to the Slavs and with the help of the Slavs (for the second time))), by the way, among the maydanuts, for "patriotic feelings" there are portraits of Stepan Bandera everywhere ...
        1. +8
          28 January 2014 11: 26
          The time has come to launch portraits of Stalin!
        2. +1
          28 January 2014 12: 10
          Quote: Asgard
          improve people's lives (in the future))



          If you don’t try to improve it yourself, then you will have to borrow money from the EU (the opposition is eager for it laughing ). That's basically all home.
          Then you can sculpt anything from plasticine.

          Ukrainians, where are you going? fool
    4. roller2
      +10
      28 January 2014 10: 48
      called on President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych US Vice President Joe Biden.

      And who told you what they demand? The author of the article? Quite reasonable calls, by the way, the Russian government calls for the same.
      By the way, Yanyk was sickened not only by the Maydaunites, but also by the majority of Ukrainians, that most of them support him not his merit, but simply there is no normal alternative, the three asshole is not an option.
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      1. +4
        28 January 2014 11: 19
        do not you think that this is a diplomatic language? Called = demanded! If this applied to the USA itself, it would be = thought. To call in the case of inequality in geopolitics means only one strongest appeal - it requires and the weakest cannot but agree to such an appeal. This is not an ordinary argument between a neighbor and another such neighbor!
    6. +7
      28 January 2014 10: 54
      Quote: Stiletto
      Who are they to demand something?


      What didn’t they know? I’m the chief man of the world, all kinds of universal masters, but in fact, on a shovel, as usual, they climb into a strange monastery with their own charter.
      Before demanding something, let him figure it out with his skeletons hanging on the front hanger.
    7. avt
      +5
      28 January 2014 11: 29
      Quote: Stiletto
      Who are they to demand something?

      The main carriers and disseminators of “universal human values.” It is strange that they simply did not offer Yanukovych to hang himself in his office.
    8. +3
      28 January 2014 11: 42
      to do the opposite, to mark Bender’s punks properly, otherwise they’ve played something ...
      1. No_more
        0
        28 January 2014 18: 39
        it would be very stupid, it would only be in their hands.
    9. +3
      28 January 2014 11: 46
      Who are they to demand something?
      Yanukovych, of course, is a big Kozel and we need to change him.
      However, this is the business of Ukrainians and all geyamerikami and geyevroppp nothing to give valuable guidance to other states. Without you, the snotty will figure it out, sort it out in your house !!! negative
    10. +1
      28 January 2014 17: 26
      And the protesters are not simple, but prepared, though it’s not clear where?
    11. +1
      28 January 2014 18: 27
      Do not meddle with your charter in a strange monastery. Do not stick your nose into other people's affairs, otherwise it will be chopped off to the very neck.
    12. bif
      +1
      29 January 2014 02: 46
      Quote: Stiletto
      Who are they to demand something?
      1. GorynychZmey78
        +1
        29 January 2014 03: 29
        Yes, the United States has already just become insolent at the root after they plunged Ukraine into chaos and now they say exactly what it needs to do with the new cabinet of ministers and it should be exactly kamim !! it is strange that they still didn’t dance Ukraine !!

        WASHINGTON, January 29 - RIA Novosti, Alexey Bogdanovsky. The United States considers the resignation of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine and the abolition of laws by Rada on January 16 to be "progress" and calls for the formation of a pro-European government in the country, the White House said following the second telephone conversation in the last XNUMX hours between US Vice President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

        "This includes the amnesty law and (creation) of a new government that can achieve political unity, earn the trust of the Ukrainian people and lead Ukraine in a European direction, strengthening democratic institutions and implementing reforms necessary for economic prosperity," the White House concluded.

        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140129/991865520.html#ixzz2reiEYbZA


        it's just the mind is inconceivable !! this is the complete disregard for Ukraine as an independent state! Ukraine that is already directly recklessly controlled from Washington! they give her direct, unambiguous instructions directly from the center! IF UKRAINE SWALLOWS THESE STATEMENTS THAT ABOUT WHAT GENERALLY UKRAINIAN INDEPENDENCE CAN SPEECH !! amit's a complete obscurity
  2. +25
    28 January 2014 09: 26
    Listen to the president of the USA and do the opposite - my advice to you is uv. Yanyk.
  3. +31
    28 January 2014 09: 32
    cowardice of the Ukrainian prez to give an order to disperse, provoked what is happening in Ukraine. The security forces do not believe, and the opposition generally longs for her blood. Yanukovych is a political corpse. It’s a pity the country ... if now the Nazis seize power, the Maidan will seem like a pioneer dawn.
    1. +5
      28 January 2014 11: 30
      Yanukovych is very afraid to quarrel with the West and the USA. He is trying to sit on 2 chairs, the Americans have clearly told him, or you are against Russia, but in a poor country or you are with Russia in the Economically Developed! Of course, he wants to with Russia, but he is afraid of the USA I’d take an example from Assad, if he understands that if hostilities begin in Ukraine, our army will intervene, and the reason, as with Georgia, is that the president is obliged to protect the citizens of the Russian Federation, wherever they are, many have Russian citizenship in Ukraine! Why did you call the opposition leaders, these clowns, to pretend that you are open for negotiations, and these bandits in Kiev do not care about the opposition, this bunch of bandits from the remote control is controlled in the West, they shouted their face and will smash everything! There are no people there and that's it they know this, it would be better if they prepared cameras for Klitschko and the whole pack, next to Tymoshenko! And these bandits should be given weapons to the special forces, snipers on the roofs, first shoot active bandits at the feet fighting, snipers to kill from the roofs, the so-called provocations he’s neat in the crowd, the crowd becomes uncontrollable if they climb with sticks to special forces, shoot to kill, the victims will not argue, but the life of the country is at stake, and it’s not its people and a bunch of bandits and they won’t die for money, it’s a fact!
  4. +20
    28 January 2014 09: 35
    "Withdraw the police special forces from the streets and respond to the discontent of the Ukrainian people"
    And who so generously raised and financed these scumbags ($ 5 billion) ..? The advocates of "democracy" would have shut up. In your countries, you harshly disperse all protests .. am Double standards however.!
    1. alex popov
      +12
      28 January 2014 10: 19
      Well that you are so. No double standards. They just help the banderlogs with all their might. Money, weapons, instructors, and political pressure on the vegetable, finally.
      A clear beacon: if the United States demands from the government of any country to "stop the violence," then it is their pig's snout that is covered.
  5. alex-kon
    +16
    28 January 2014 09: 35
    Mattresses want a Syrian scenario in Ukraine. Only their opposition is rather weak. Ukrainians will crush it as soon as their fate begins to be decided. Bad they know the Slavs. We harness for a long time, then drive fast.
  6. +40
    28 January 2014 09: 36
    Yesterday, in a Mamontov’s program, a Ukrainian politician said that in response to a demand to remove a golden eagle from the streets, he wrote to the American ambassador: remove the security of your embassy and the 4-meter fence around the building. This will be correct. But I dig into the network :
    1. 120352
      +1
      28 January 2014 14: 33
      The politician you mentioned is actually a writer who rightly considers himself a Little Russian, Oles Buzin. The person is sane.
      And the name of Grushevsky should be called toilets. The failed teacher of Russian literature in some gymnasium, out of ignorance (complete!) Of history, came up with ukrov. All of Europe and Russia laughed at him. His notion was at that time one of the most popular jokes.
  7. +13
    28 January 2014 09: 36
    What kind of president is this that everyone who is not too lazy to tell him what to do in his own country? Yanukovych’s spinelessness is sometimes frightening. How would he not become ala Gorbachev for Ukraine leading to its collapse.
  8. +24
    28 January 2014 09: 39
    Very, very modestly ....... they would ask immediately within XNUMX hours Ukraine to NATO, the government to prison, the swastika on the coat of arms instead of the trident! And what ..... The executors of world destinies wished ... Ugh on them! .................................................. ..............................
    ............................. Ugh on them again!
    1. 0
      28 January 2014 14: 03
      In Moscow, the EU flag must be burned to complete the picture.
  9. +16
    28 January 2014 09: 40
    sometimes seditious thought arises, can divide Ukraine into two parts.
    Western to give to eat west and Eastern to annex to Russia
    1. Fin
      +13
      28 January 2014 09: 50
      Quote: kostyanich
      sometimes seditious thought arises, can divide Ukraine into two parts.
      Western to give to eat west and Eastern to annex to Russia

      Why not. Hold a referendum and share, without any affiliations. The Nazis will not be needed. Funding will stop, will have to work, or as before - to rob their own. No future.
    2. +2
      28 January 2014 10: 21
      it is not seditious thought that the east and west of Ukraine have been dreaming about this since the 1945 year.
    3. +5
      28 January 2014 11: 01
      Quote: kostyanich
      sometimes seditious thought arises, can divide Ukraine into two parts.
      Western to give to eat west and Eastern to annex to Russia
      Why scare ?! Ours is the land, Slavic. For her, more than one generation of Slavs poured blood, and now "to be devoured by the West" ?! They, a bunch of banderlog, means that they open their company to the whole of Ukraine completely and completely, there are not many of their Zapadensk lands, and for the fact that they are doing them a gift to arrange ?! So it will be perceived as the correctness of their terrorist behavior, as an incentive to further stir up the conflict. We would proclaim our Western Ukrainian republic as peace, well, we would understand everything that people want to live differently, well, with Christ. But now - a fig!
      1. Felix200970
        0
        28 January 2014 22: 20
        Quote: andranick
        They would proclaim their West Ukrainian republic as a world, well, they would understand everything that people want to live differently, well, with Christ.

        Desirable January 22. And they would celebrate the day of unification 21, and 22 the day of separation laughing
    4. +1
      28 January 2014 19: 44
      It looks like everything is heading towards this. It was announced that the Yanuca, at the request of the bandyukov, is dismissing the prime minister and the government. (whoever likes what) under the "opposition", and tries to get at least some pleasure. Then they will spread rot all non-"titular"
  10. +12
    28 January 2014 09: 46
    Of course, Yanukovych would hardly "recommend" Joe Biden "not to stick his nose in the wrong sled," but it would be very useful. Such a powerful man, and not sure of himself. What is he - "hollow mammoth"? - Probably, all the same because of the "stigma in the gun" ...
  11. +22
    28 January 2014 09: 49
    Yanukovych - NOT A PRESIDENT BABA! I am ready to EVERYTHING AND ALL TO GIVE if only IT IS LEFT AT LEAD!

    RAG AND NOT A PRESIDENT!
  12. +10
    28 January 2014 09: 50
    US Vice President Joe Biden called on Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to withdraw the police special forces from the streets and respond to the discontent of the Ukrainian people.

    Yanukovych if you are still a man you send the Yankees three letters
    1. +7
      28 January 2014 10: 26
      not so simple - he has no one to stand up against the Yankees. Alas, geopolitics is so arranged. For the USA, Ukraine is the 3 world. and the Ukrainians dissociated themselves from the historical defender of Russia. In order to answer the Yankees need to enter into a power-political alliance with Russia fully and unconditionally. But for 20 years of Russophobia, Ukrainians themselves are not ready for this - the generation grew up with hatred of Russia ...
    2. +3
      28 January 2014 10: 36
      withdraw Ukrainian special forces and introduce Russian, I think it will be enough for a day, and then the communal services will clean up, clean, wash, paint
      1. +10
        28 January 2014 10: 43
        And to tidy up the Hutsuls arrested for hooliganism. Sami shit themselves and clean.
      2. -4
        28 January 2014 11: 24
        http://www.unian.net/politics/876705-rossiyskiy-spetsnaz-segodnya-pereodenut-v-b
        erkut-i-brosyat-na-maydan-parubiy.html
        People’s deputy from the "Fatherland", the commandant of the Euromaidan, Andrei Parubiy, announces that the opposition has received information about the possible arrival of Russian special forces in Ukraine today.

        According to a UNIAN correspondent, he said this in an interview with reporters.

        “There is information that now at 14 hours in Boryspil and Zhulyany, Russian special forces are landing in civilian uniforms, who should dress in the Golden Eagle uniform and throw them on the Maidan,” said Parubiy.

        He said that "now our people went there to check it (information - UNIAN)."

        The press service of the "Fatherland" added that from various sources, information has been received about the arrival of approximately 1 thousand Russian special forces who are supposed to land at the Zhulyany and Gostomel airports.

        At the same time, the National Resistance Headquarters turns to the media with a request to take “Zhuliany” and “Gostomel” airports under “special control” and also check the message, taking into account their own journalistic standards.

        As soon as you enter the Russian special forces in Kiev - kirdyk to world peace !!! The third world smolders for a long time and I wrote about this earlier.
        1. +3
          28 January 2014 13: 43
          Quote: dddym
          People’s deputy from the "Fatherland", the commandant of the Euromaidan, Andrei Parubiy, announces that the opposition has received information about the possible arrival of Russian special forces in Ukraine today.

          "Fear has big eyes". Soon they will say that instead of a passenger train, an armored train is coming from Russia to shoot the Maidan. Atu them !!!
          1. 0
            28 January 2014 14: 40
            without a doubt. No one introduced any special forces; I just quoted a message from the Euro-oriented press.
        2. +2
          28 January 2014 15: 08
          Quote: dddym
          As soon as you enter the Russian special forces in Kiev - kirdyk to world peace !!! The third world smolders for a long time and I wrote about this earlier.

          Judging by the minuses of the frostbitten in Russia, they also do not understand a lot that even many pro-Russian Ukrainians will fight against mosques. And for the Westerners, it's like the team face and the entrance will go with everything from sniper rifles to stingers or even worse, and in the meantime the west will start to have dinner on "legal" grounds. +
        3. 0
          28 January 2014 15: 45
          about the introduction of special forces it’s generally at the level of a joke and you don’t have to take it literally, it’s hysteria in Ukraine about the Russian special forces, and it won’t be because of Ukraine and what third world, not that player
        4. +2
          28 January 2014 16: 14
          Gentlemen who are putting minuses - take this more responsibly - it’s completely realistic if Russian special forces enter the territory of Ukraine - this is called an intervention and it provokes the same intervention from those who are against Russia in Ukraine. You need to be shortsighted, so as not to understand this! And that means the outbreak of war on the scale of all adjacent states! What will the US and the entire NATO bloc use scrupulously? Understand the geopolitics of this is not done - bam and introduced troops - Ukraine is not our region is a separate country. Intervene in which you need to be very careful and according to diplomatic rules, but by no means direct actions provoking the invasion of third countries! Do you really want a third world war?
          1. +2
            28 January 2014 22: 33
            Some time ago, we also had rumors about the special forces who arrived in "civilian" wrote liberoids ... about the Chechen :) Those who are afraid, so they scare ...
        5. Felix200970
          0
          28 January 2014 22: 23
          Do you want to neigh? Open the wiki page "Berkut" in Ukrainian http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C1%E5%F0%EA%F3%F2_(%F1%EF%E5%F6%EF%B3%E4% F0% EE% E7%
          E4% B3% EB) Only faster. Article deleted
  13. +8
    28 January 2014 09: 57
    Mattresses cannot wait to restore order in a strange house. It's time to organize a chain of orange revolutions there. The southern states are ready. So let's see how they will endure their bullshit.
    1. 0
      28 January 2014 12: 13
      they have texas as we have the Tyumen region feeds the whole mattress, and in texas there has long been talk of disconnecting from the mattress ...
  14. +9
    28 January 2014 09: 58
    Yes, here it is, the filthy, uncovered snout of America: to rape, and at the same time shout to the raped "Get your hands off!"
    1. +5
      28 January 2014 10: 50
      the suppression of riots in the United States itself, and not only the police, but also the army, and without embarrassment and looking back ..
      1 In 1962, the United States was rocked by a wave of riots ... "Kennedy was forced to bring in an army of 30 to restore order, and previously about 5 black soldiers were separated from the rest of the troops that were supposed to be sent to Mississippi. The mutiny lasted about 14 hours As a result, two people died, 375 were wounded.An interesting fact is that to suppress the rebellion inside the United States, it took 30 thousand military contingent, which was twice the number of American troops stationed at that time in Korea, and six times the number of the American military contingent in West Berlin. This conflict did not receive wide publicity in the press, since it was believed that the topic was delicate and special attention to it could lead to further undesirable consequences ... "
      2. "1992 - Bloody events in Los Angeles in April-May. In addition to the police and the National Guard, units of the army and marines took part in restoring order." ...
  15. +6
    28 January 2014 10: 00
    Yankees go home.
  16. +5
    28 January 2014 10: 04
    Beloved meannesses of Americans: that before the Beijing Olympics to spoil the air with the Saakashvili, that before Sochi to spoil the money paying all kinds.
    1. anarch
      +1
      28 January 2014 12: 38
      Quote: mabuta
      Beloved meannesses of Americans: that before the Beijing Olympics to spoil the air Saakashvili, that in front of Sochi

      Well, it seems that the main thing is being prepared at the Olympics.
      Already the fleet has been adjusted.
  17. VKabanov
    +14
    28 January 2014 10: 18
    Russia has long been time to finance the separatists in the United States, let them be divided.
    1. +2
      28 January 2014 10: 29
      But it’s right - when a country is busy with internal problems, it doesn’t give a damn what is going on on another continent.
    2. anarch
      0
      28 January 2014 12: 39
      Quote: VKabanov
      Russia has long been time to finance the separatists in the United States, let them be divided.

      From the Headquarters of the Fund.
    3. anarch
      0
      28 January 2014 13: 05
      Quote: VKabanov
      Russia has long been time to finance the separatists in the United States, let them be divided.

      From the Headquarters of the Fund.
      Let the American money for good work.
  18. both s69
    +3
    28 January 2014 10: 22
    The US farmers are an unprecedented stronghold in the history of mankind of political hypocrisy, cynicism, cruelty and greed. Unless the top NSDAP can argue with them for the title of the most cynical and cruel breed of homo sapiens of all time. It is possible that even more difficult trials await us in the future ... We must be strong in spirit and not lose heart. God is with us!!! soldier
  19. 0
    28 January 2014 10: 25
    "You understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? Part of its territory is Eastern Europe, and part, and significant, was donated by us!" (c) Vladimir Putin

    Ukraine is not a state, but a territory of illusions, self-deception, envy and hatred. It's a pity.
  20. +3
    28 January 2014 10: 28
    The apotheosis of arrogance and insanity. What else will they require? Put your agent as president? NATO military base near Donetsk?
    1. +1
      28 January 2014 11: 06
      Easy! Under the guise of a fight for crap, you can do any dirty tricks.
  21. +1
    28 January 2014 10: 30
    Found someone to listen to! Striped ss ... u? It is not necessary to remove the Golden Eagle, but to extinguish it harshly and mercilessly. And also like the Night Wolves in Sevastopol, whoever has conscience and reason ahead!
  22. waisson
    +1
    28 January 2014 10: 35
    where they climb, let the democrats understand am
  23. +16
    28 January 2014 10: 38
    Our answer is USA.
    1. +4
      28 January 2014 11: 32
      Quote: sinukvl
      sinukvl SU Today, 10:38 AM New

      Our answer is USA.



      It’s a pity, the proportions are not met, but something is a little bear ...
  24. +9
    28 January 2014 10: 39
    Ukraine without Russia has always been a continuous "gulyapole" .. Anarchy is the mother of order! It's sad to state this ..
    1. +7
      28 January 2014 10: 45
      If it is without Russia, then it will only get worse, right up to the civil war and the complete collapse of the country. The latter is just what most Western countries need.
  25. Freemason
    +5
    28 January 2014 10: 43
    Quote: kostyanich
    sometimes seditious thought arises, can divide Ukraine into two parts.
    Western to give to the West to eat, and Eastern to annex to Russia


    The idea of ​​course seditious ... But that's not entirely logical. Well, take it to ourselves, so to speak, east. We’ll give up the West, so to speak .. But what to do with living people? And There (in the east) And There (in the west). Those who are against the eviction to the west, and those in their place, to the east?
    Sorry for People. It is a pity for the fools who do not blow in what they are doing out of blind conviction ... It is a pity for the guys who are holding back these fools .... May God give strength to those who are struggling with the "maydanuty" and the mind, thus, "M", since they lack their own ...
  26. vladsolo56
    +9
    28 January 2014 10: 43
    I remember in the USSR there was such a popular saying: Give your wife to your uncle, and go yourself .... Well, everyone knows where. So the United States offers to withdraw the police from Kiev and give power to the fascists from the west. The impudence and shamelessness of American politicians goes beyond all reasonable limits. One thing is insulting that our praised people of the year in this case simply keep quiet, or as usual they chew on the topic that Russia should not interfere, this is the business of the Ukrainian people. Despite the fact that just the Ukrainian people can right now look at Russia with hope. For those who do not understand, I do not propose introducing security officials into Ukraine, but directly and seriously declaring in the world political arena that Russia will not allow anyone to establish their power in Ukraine, it is possible and necessary.
    1. +2
      28 January 2014 10: 59
      That's right, the Yankees just need to remind the old post-catcher: "Do not climb with a pig's snout in a kalakny row!"
    2. +3
      28 January 2014 13: 53
      Quote: vladsolo56
      that Russia will not allow anyone to establish its power in Ukraine, is possible and necessary.

      I hope today in Geneva, this will be said by Putin. Do you really think that by helping faraway Syria, Putin will abandon Ukraine at the feet of the West? He is a statesman and will do (or already do) everything possible to stop Ukraine on the edge of the abyss. For some reason, I believe him. Sometimes you don’t need to scream loudly and do your work quietly. The result, I hope, we will see soon.
    3. 0
      28 January 2014 16: 37
      And do not allow the thought that this is a well-designed scenario?
  27. +3
    28 January 2014 10: 53
    She is sure that the only way out of the conflict is political. - I wonder if the Molotov cocktail is also a political move !? Yes, after all, Americans are the dumbest nation ...
  28. Gur
    +1
    28 January 2014 10: 56
    Obviously the one thing that we know is that we are allowed to know, I’m sure it’s not so simple. That doesn’t cancel the mattress freaks, and Yanukovych is not a leader, just like a cannon. Well, the Ukrainian people do not understand how they endure the Nazis .. ., the campaign was forgotten by Babi Yar --- sold their ancestors
  29. +6
    28 January 2014 10: 59
    come on you fuck mister vice president
  30. +2
    28 January 2014 11: 02
    Yankees, go home !!!!!!!
  31. +1
    28 January 2014 11: 05
    the Ukrainian government is surrendering to Ukraine, and this is already clear to the blind. I am very sorry for the Golden Eagle and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which, even in conditions of betrayal, still continue to honestly fulfill their duty. but their forces are already at the limit and I think that in the near future they will still be crushed and will be made scapegoats. looking at it is both painful and nasty. and it is necessary for the people who silently like a herd of sheep watching what is happening
  32. Orakyl
    +1
    28 January 2014 11: 08
    Biden is clearly driving the baidu to the Maidan! states in every hole are like a plug, but meanwhile there is one 100% correct omen, "stop the thief loudest of all, the thief himself shouts." Who is there among the "partners" who are doing the most in the media and on the Maidan with cookies?
  33. +4
    28 January 2014 11: 12


    it was a peaceful protest
    By the way, if I understood correctly from behind in gray uniforms, is this the National Guard?
    1. +1
      28 January 2014 11: 22
      SOME PEOPLE PROTESTING PEOPLE ARE TOO EVEN RESPONSIBLE .. Surely they just do not pay for the protest ............
      1. 0
        28 January 2014 15: 31
        because for the resistance of the police it is allowed to open fire to kill ...
        1. 0
          28 January 2014 16: 07
          And you noticed that they all have military weapons with them, because all are so quiet
  34. +4
    28 January 2014 11: 13
    And also demanded to take off his pants and get cancer. Cho really trifle something ... And then the money swelled in maydanutyh disappear!
    1. 0
      28 January 2014 12: 08
      Well, you Citizen, quite politically brave! ..
  35. pa_nik
    +3
    28 January 2014 11: 22
    "The United States demanded to withdraw special forces from Kiev streets" and transfer them to the streets of Washington DC to protect their own government fellow
  36. 0
    28 January 2014 11: 23
    You shouldn't react so violently to how one robber demands from another criminal to behave "more civilized", but the point is that with the hands of biden, obamoks and others ... everything is paid for and organized, like all the outrages committed in the world by amerov The most terrible thing that the "Maidan people" and their patrons can achieve is the rebuff of the angry people of Ukraine, who are tired of this disgrace. and Russia should not remain aloof from opposition to the West in its desire to wreak havoc and then swallow Ukraine!
  37. 0
    28 January 2014 11: 24
    Another brazen intervention in the internal affairs of another state. And the EU, which is sending its Katherine today, is supposedly doing the same, but more cunning, for supposedly helping to resolve it.
  38. 0
    28 January 2014 11: 29
    Preference rule: The fifth player is under the table! Ukrainians will figure it out. No snotty.
  39. +2
    28 January 2014 11: 31
    The USA is an evil empire. All the shit in the world comes from there.
  40. -10
    28 January 2014 11: 39
    Still, in a good way, it would be nice to quietly bring Russian special forces to Ukraine. We will show them what the real is!
    1. +3
      28 January 2014 11: 54
      Why Russian? They have their own, domestic. Not only the one who gives the command is looking for eggs.
    2. 0
      28 January 2014 12: 09
      Basarev

      We plowed ... What are you still on the forum, and not in Ukraine? Or let others show the present, but is it best to stay at the computer? And you have been in the special forces for a long time, and if not, then they are waiting for you at the military registration and enlistment office ...
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  41. 0
    28 January 2014 11: 43
    Yeah, oh ... again, mattress covers, and the Russian authorities will not help by force, at least until the Olympiad ends. Under the Olympiad, it is not by chance that the time is chosen with the Maidan, Russia can not intervene unfortunately and will not. For me, I need to intervene. With her Olympiad, in reality, the fate of Ukraine is decided and not for one year.
  42. gladiatorakz
    +2
    28 January 2014 11: 52
    For too long, Janek pulls. The longer the deeper the gap will occur. It’s time to let the special forces down. And crush. And let the US look at itself before hi.lo open. From the dispersal of their demonstrators to the support of all strangers. Janek is losing the information war. This is bad. Symptom.
    1. +2
      28 January 2014 12: 04
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      For too long, Janek pulls. The longer the deeper the gap will occur.

      Not all masks are removed ...
      Not all raguli "lit up" ...
      Yanyk has a couple of trump cards.
      1. gladiatorakz
        +1
        28 January 2014 17: 25
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Not all masks have been removed ... Not all raguli "lit up" ... Yanyk has a couple of trump cards.

        Oh, I want to believe. A couple of days ago, too, leaned towards this version, as the main one. And now it was possible to pull out the whole bunch at once. Only pull out a little, and it is necessary to plant for a long time. A particularly rabid shoot. Yanek is afraid of further clashes with the EU, the US, domestic and sadly with Russia. Only time to take the first step. And then everyone else is very fast. I do not want to compare, but Gaddafi also negotiated and haggled for too long.
    2. 0
      28 January 2014 14: 27
      Janek unfortunately lost everything. so substitute loyal oaths of people is impossible.
  43. +3
    28 January 2014 11: 53
    Yes, it’s all wrong, neither boil over, the USA has a habit developed over the years - to insert its two cents. Leader
    And then in Brussels it will be necessary to give up something, such as a compromise.
    Who should be puffed up? Obama is busy - raking in his health care, Kerry licks the wounds from the grievances inflicted by Israeli friends when they sent him for a peace prize, so they put forward Biden. He himself does not expect that someone will listen to him.

    And according to the local background - if we compare the intensity of the zombie over Syria and the coverage of events in Ukraine - then Ukraine is completely ignored. There are not even colorful sketches on the theme "The evil dogs of the regime are tormenting the white and innocent chest of an independent demonstrator", "The world famous boxer Klitschko asks the tractor driver - How long?", "The Jew and the Anti-Semite overthrow the hydra of corruption."
  44. +13
    28 January 2014 11: 55
    "The USA demanded to withdraw the special forces from the Kiev streets."
  45. +3
    28 January 2014 11: 56
    Cynical America Already decided that Ukraine is its 51 state. Absolutely overseas guardians of "democracy" in Ukraine have become insolent! Command a sovereign state maybe only crazy or id .. iot. America probably has both.
  46. +8
    28 January 2014 11: 56
    Yanukovych outplayed the Maidan and this is a fact, just many still do not see this for tinsel of bustling events. He invited Yatsenyuk to become the prime minister, and Klitschko - the deputy prime minister for social affairs. Oppositionists are knocked out. The move is the strongest.
    To agree for Yatsenyuk and Klitschko means:
    - assume responsibility, and they would like to give it to Yanukovych so that he would be to blame for the new elections;
    - Yanukovych can fire them at any moment with shame;
    - Social issues - this is generally a black spot, like agriculture during the Soviet era. Success is impossible, and failure is guaranteed;
    - To agree to them two means to quarrel with the third - Tyagnibok. After all, he is not offered any position. But the bulk of the militants is his. And what then to Prime Minister Yatsenyuk to disperse the Freedom militants who do not want to disperse?
    It is also impossible to refuse the president’s proposal: you look like a frivolous clown. Can you scream, can't you work?
    That is why the answer of the "opposition" is taken from Trotsky’s biography: we do not agree, but we do not refuse. Why is that? There is simply nothing to say. Knockout!
    The West is well aware that a forceful seizure of power in several areas or in Kiev will lead to a split in the country and to a potential war that it does not need. With the collapse of Ukraine, the West will receive “zapadentsev” and zero industry, and Russia zero zapadentsev and all Ukrainian industry. Russia also does not need the collapse of Ukraine, since a war near our borders, in the place where our fleet is based, where our brothers and sisters live, can be a huge problem for us.
    It remains only to once again express tremendous respect to the guys from the Berkut - it is their endurance, courage and professionalism that have become the main resource of the current chess game.
    1. BAT
      +2
      28 January 2014 12: 07
      According to the latest news, it is known that the egg and nag refused the proposed posts.
      But Yanukovych wants to amnesty all maydaunov in exchange for the release of the captured buildings. In short, the president betrayed his riot police, betrayed the boys who risk their lives. Which stand in the way of fascism.
      Just as Yanyk was a salesman, so he remained.
      Now uncles from the State Department roar, so he will personally lick the ass of the Galician fascists.
      1. +4
        28 January 2014 14: 05
        Quote: sichevik
        But Yanukovych wants to amnesty all maydaunov in exchange for the release of the captured buildings. In short, the president betrayed his riot police

        Looking at this mess in power, Azarov filed a resignation letter. He was very sorry, the only adequate prime minister. He clearly realized that Yanukovych was merging them all, and he wanted to look like a true lover. As an honest man, Azarov apparently did not want to participate in this performance.
    2. +3
      28 January 2014 14: 52
      The West is well aware that a forceful seizure of power in several areas or in Kiev will lead to a split in the country and to a potential war that it does not need.

      This is why the conclusion is that the West does not need war? It’s even necessary once they try to untie it. The dollar crushed the hryvnia, Russia’s destabilization is at hand - how much more do they need a war!
  47. +4
    28 January 2014 12: 02
    Quote: Santor
    27.01/XNUMX Summary

    1. Internal troops cleared the Sumy Regional State Administration.
    2. Cherkassk "Berkut" and the townspeople cleaned out avtomaydanovtsy who tried to capture the regional state administration tonight. The ringleaders were arrested in both Cherkassy and Sumy
    3. Yesterday, mobile groups of Maidanites were dispersed in the Dnieper and Zaporozhye


    Fine! But these are eastern regions. And how are things in the west. It seems worse there. The point is rather that in the west of Ukraine administration seizures are supported by the population, and vice versa in the east.
    Even if the Maidan is quiet and Ukraine will no longer be the one it was before, too much has come out. Incompatibility of the west and east of Ukraine, the main trump card of puppeteers of the West (USA) and they will definitely play it, even if not now.
    Agree to postpone the issue of European integration is too far-fetched a cause for unrest. It’s just a good time. With the start of the Olympiad, Russia will temporarily tie its hands. Do not forget that the war in Ossetia by decree of the United States began on the opening day of the Olympics in Beijing. And then the Olympics in Russia itself, it’s a sin not to use it. I suppose with the beginning of the Olympics a bigger mess may begin, but now it’s only warming up. The US always uses standard schemes, it is hard not to notice. Why Ukraine should be an exception. The West and East of Ukraine have never been a single people. They were united only by the strong regime of the USSR and then for a relatively short period of time. Before that, they were separate and even fought with each other (Ruin 1657-1687)
  48. +2
    28 January 2014 12: 08
    US demanded to withdraw special forces from Kiev streets

    USA - OBORELI !!!
  49. +1
    28 January 2014 12: 08
    Ish-you "they" demand, let their nostrils not stick into Our territory !!!
  50. generalissimo
    +1
    28 January 2014 12: 12
    This vice president of the United States, Joe Biden, has beguiled something! Of course the people are still the same, but the Slavs in the end! And Ukraine, in any situation, is not the 51st state of AI, demand it in the ass by its drawbar, specifically they do not see the coast! Garn guys! Shame on you!
  51. 0
    28 January 2014 12: 40
    US Vice President Joe Biden urged Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to withdraw special forces from the streets and respond to the discontent of the Ukrainian people.

    Lupen Yanukenych ran to the feet of the emperor.
    The coward betrayed everyone TO HIS SCAFFOLD
  52. 0
    28 January 2014 12: 41
    I read the comment “it’s high time to start funding the separatists in the USA - let them share.” But they had the prerequisites for collapse back in the 80s. If it weren’t for Gorby at the helm, it would have been entirely possible for the Americans to arrange a breakup. Moreover, they were no less stressed by the arms race than we were.
    And even now they still have tendencies towards separatism: due to the influx of Latin Americans and Mexicans, California and Texas may separate, many southern states are dissatisfied with the country’s policies and will happily separate from the North + there are also Indians who to this day remember that “good” , which the colonialists brought to them and at the first real opportunity they are ready to begin secession from the United States
  53. 0
    28 January 2014 12: 53
    http://srn.kharkov.ua/ru/journalism/45-novosti/3205-hsrn.html
    So that no one has any illusions about who is fighting for what here!!!!
  54. 120352
    +1
    28 January 2014 12: 59
    Yes Easy! Just let them first disband their police and release all the gangsters from prison and arm them with weapons of the former police.
  55. Leshka
    0
    28 January 2014 15: 04
    Americans are getting worse and worse every day
  56. Bosskant150
    0
    28 January 2014 15: 25
    The Yankees are greyhounds. On the contrary, we need to increase special forces and send in troops. Disperse all this shantrap.
    1. +1
      28 January 2014 15: 48
      What troops? There is no army in Ukraine, just one name. Well, like in the army... The fact is that after the “real colonel” Anatoly Gritsenko, who exchanged foot wraps for socks, that’s all that’s left of it. And it went to the current minister Pavel Lebedev. There are a couple of tanks left working only for parades. And the minister, by the way, has already stated that the armed forces will not interfere in the confrontation between the current government and the opposition. Without even noticing the contradiction in his statement. He said that in accordance with the Constitution of Ukraine, the army is responsible for ensuring the “sovereignty and territorial integrity” of the country, but the armed forces “cannot be used by anyone to restrict the rights and freedoms of citizens.” What is happening in Ukraine now? But, apparently, what kind of country is, so is its army...
      Well, about the participation of the ZSU in peacekeeping operations:
      Yugoslavia, Russian volunteer:
      Earlier it was said about the Ukrainian contingent, which broke all corruption records, that the trident of the Ukrainian emblem is the initial "Ш" in the word "schwerts" (in Serbian - a merchant). Before leaving Gorazde, only two SKS carbines remained for the entire Ukrainian company (one of them was serviceable). All other weapons, including armored personnel carriers, were given (sold) to Serbs and Muslims.

      http://artofwar.ru/p/polikarpow_m_a/serbia.shtml

      Iraq
      “... The battle ended without ours. The Poles lost two killed and two more wounded. Got to the local Arabs, who fell under the gap of a land mine. When ours passed through this place, they saw how the bodies of the dead were loaded onto cars. Following our Poles showed the middle finger. With this gesture in Babylon our convoys met for a long time. ”

      But what infuriates me in Ukrainians is their arrogance and complete lack of self-esteem. Ours started carrying this Coca-Cola with backpacks and exchanging it at the Arabs' checkpoint for various useful things. Knives, cameras, CD players, some even managed to name themselves DVDs. The exchange rate was such 5 cans - 1 dollar. DVD in Iraq cost 70 bucks. So consider how many walkers you had to make in order to trade it.

      In practice, it looked like this: a guy enters the dining room with a backpack behind him (empty) and leaves already with a full one. And this “Change” has become a mass epidemic. Despite the fact that it’s unpleasant for me to say this, I’ll give you statistics. In my, for example, platoon from 17, only three people did NOT do this. Even many of those whom I considered and continue to consider my friends, unfortunately, sinned this. The rest had the same picture.

      For the Americans opened a real hunt. Well, I don’t understand: will we ever learn to respect ourselves? Okay, in front of your own people, where everything is in one shit, but they sent you to another country, dressed, shod, fed well, they pay good salaries, watch yourself, do not disgrace in front of other nations. Well no, eyes burn and come on, let's change.

      It reminded me of Arab children who ran after our APCs and shouted: "Mister give me pepsy, give me kola." It is clear that in most cases the Americans gave things worthwhile: what to take from us beggars, but their vicious phrases, which they threw in a low voice to each other against the Ukrainians, was unpleasant.

      http://slavs.org.ua/forum/topic/341/ukrainskie-mirotvortsy-v-irake/
  57. +1
    28 January 2014 16: 40
    Remove all Anglo-Saxons from the territory of America. Return the country to the real owner of this land, the Indians.
  58. 0
    28 January 2014 17: 52
    Yeah, maybe he could also give me the key to the apartment where the money is?
  59. +1
    28 January 2014 17: 57
    Yes, Yanukovych should have introduced a state of emergency a long time ago, along with a curfew. And he wants everything, both yours and ours! No, Vityukha, it’s time to decide. We need all this riffraff - on the nail and in the cages. And don’t look at all the Gay Europeans and Sramers. If something like this happened to them, they would quickly distribute such protesters to prison! Vitya - extinguish the liberals!
  60. +1
    28 January 2014 17: 57
    I wonder if a large meteorite falls on America and most of them die there, will anyone be sad about this?
  61. 0
    28 January 2014 18: 25
    Yanukovych is a WEAK politician - a good thief, 1. Regarding the riots, the seizure of buildings - Yanukovych showed himself to be spineless - a weak-willed politician who cannot protect the people and statehood! 2. Having come to power with the slogan of rapprochement with Russia, raising the standard of living of the population, carrying out reforms! HE began to steal the remains that were not stolen! rob your own people! Turned 180 degrees and headed for Europe - Scared! I fell into a puddle! Well, now the main thing is to save your money! Everyone negotiates with the opposition - a weakling!
  62. 0
    28 January 2014 18: 32
    Quote: sinukvl
    Our answer is USA.

    I remembered. Ranevskaya, in my opinion, said that under the most beautiful peacock’s tail there is a very ordinary chicken ass.
  63. kelevra
    0
    28 January 2014 19: 29
    What the hell! They’re tired of minding their own business, let them disband their police, we need ours to demand it! They’re like animals, with such powers as Hitler’s SS!
  64. 0
    28 January 2014 20: 19
    In America and Europe, there are no less problems, so let them restore order!!!
  65. miraculous
    0
    28 January 2014 20: 46
    The USA would go to hell with its advice. The Most Democratic does not coddle its Protestants.
  66. Caster
    0
    28 January 2014 21: 33
    Consesus is Hunchback's favorite word! Traitor to the Motherland!
  67. 0
    28 January 2014 22: 02
    You can’t look at these advisers from the EU and the USA without tears, they seem so flawed and mentally unhealthy!!!
  68. 0
    29 January 2014 00: 52
    This s...ashton has done her dirty deed, and now when things have gone south she wants to appear white and fluffy.
  69. 0
    29 January 2014 19: 17
    So much for independence. They are even trying to give orders from the other side of the world.
  70. 0
    30 January 2014 10: 16
    They remind me of small, ill-mannered dogs: no training - boorish antics, you give concessions - they imagine themselves to be dominant and begin to crush everyone they reach. Fuck, you can't crush genes with your finger. It’s sad that everyone around us suffers from such genes.
  71. 0
    1 March 2014 19: 11
    For more than 20 years, Russia was kicked and humiliated.........first in the former fraternal, then Yugoslavia (drunken Bor didn’t care about his brothers, bow to E. Primakov, who turned the plane over the Atlantic), and everywhere else possible it was............... EVERYTHING! We are no longer the same, and Ukraine is not even Syria, Ukraine is our home! Europeans and Americans simply cannot understand that we are one nation, that this is part of the body of a single whole (even if Ukraine is sovereign, this does not prevent us from being brothers) and it is not possible to tear off a part of the body painlessly............ .......Abama scares us - Russia will regret it, YES! She will regret that she did not declare herself loudly earlier!