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The fact that they want to remove Snowden - and not quietly, but with an advertising campaign - is no longer news. However, in recent days, clouds have begun to thicken around the name of the public informer. Apparently, with the approach of the Olympics - and Western intelligence agencies planned to eliminate Edward in her early days, when the FSB moves to Sochi and focuses entirely on the safety of athletes and the public, which will be helped by American “colleagues” - hairy hands have much in it’s Washington’s hawks , and the fingers trembled on the triggers.


The audience that eats McDonald's fat products in front of Ti-Wee screens, washing it down with effervescent and sweet Coca-Cola, recently received the final image of Snowden, the enemy who sold the secrets of his homeland to the damned Soviets, headed by the main communist and KGB spy of all times and peoples - V. Putin.

Michael Rogers (Republican, Chairman of the Intelligence Committee of the House of Representatives) and Dianne Feinstein (Democrat, who heads the Senate Intelligence Committee) came to the powerful CBS channel of America. On the activities of Snowden, they told America in the program "Face the nation." Snowden, who lives in Russia, in the end turned out to be like an “ass to the nation.”

Having shot the face, the tireless Rodgers went on the transfer to another TV channel - NBC. There he also spoke about Snowden and about the harm he did to the great American state.

Thus, through the powerful American media, both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, as well as the parliament, launched a manipulative attack.

Both Feinstein and Rogers very strongly suggested that the fugitive Snowden could receive help from foreign intelligence services: without it, he simply could not have access to some data. He was certainly helped, although there is no direct evidence of this. If they had not helped, said Mr. Rogers, then how could he have so thoroughly prepared an escape? And how to steal files? Everything is very smooth.

Rogers forgot to tell more about epilepsy, from which Snowden, having grabbed millions of files, flew to Hong Kong for treatment. And the boss let him go easily. This is absolutely amazing. Apparently, all epileptics periodically fly to Hong Kong. So who is the chief of Snowden?

Speaking in a television program, Rogers said that "there are a number of interesting questions, the answers to which suggest that Russia played a role in the Snowden case." And since Rogers was with us from the intelligence committee, he, using his authority, said: the main part of the information stolen by the fugitive did not concern the NSA surveillance program, but the US military capabilities.

Democratic Feinstein said nothing about Russia, but she was asked about Russia. Responding to a question about whether she admits that Snowden received Moscow assistance, she said: “He could well receive it. At this stage, we do not know. "

And now the United States will have to spend, "Rogers said," billions and billions "of dollars, in order to" put in order "what Snowden had destroyed with his enemy activities. (In one fell swoop, two birds with one stone killed: and the external enemy is designated - Russia, and it is time to inflate the budgets, because fighting the enemy is worth the money. Snowden played, so it goes into the hands of the special services and their lobby from Congress!)

Here, as if in the sequel of the series, another Mr, a chairman of the National Security Committee of the House of Representatives Michael McCall, appeared on a nearby TV channel, ABC. In an interview, he said that the disclosure of secret information by E. Snowden could have been inspired by the special services of other countries. And again a proper name was sounded - Russia. “I can’t definitely say that Russia helped him. But I am convinced that a foreign power was behind his actions, ”said McCall.

Like this. Three of the most popular TV channels hammered into the American trustful heads a new “mulk” about the Russian trail.

Here, even the brain, soaked through with black Coca-Cola and white fat from donuts, will begin to think in the right direction. Something like this: “So, these damned Russians started something again. Not only we nakostyly them in World War II and in Vietnam! They're losing their temper again! ”

The newest series, if you think about it, is a direct continuation of the malicious statement of the former CIA leader James Woolsey, the Mr. who said in December that Snowden should be “hanged”.

However, before Woolsey, the above mentioned Rogers spoke with aggressive statements. He offered to make a special list of destruction, where to include and Snowden. Who this figure is going to destroy along with Snowden, not reported. But we, of course, guess ...

Edward, who lives, as it is known, somewhere in Moscow, has become frightened. He gave an electronic interview to The New Yorker magazine and explained: “This passage about the fact that I am a Russian spy is ridiculous. I worked alone, without any help, especially without government. This does not stick to me. It is quite clear that this is a fake. The American people are smarter than politicians think. ” Edward had an argument. If he (Edward) really was a Russian agent, he would not have been sitting in Sheremetyevo transit zone for so long.

Well, of course, the spy would immediately go to the Kremlin to drink Putinka with Putin and have a snack with salted or pickled cucumbers. Well everyone knows that. But marinating for more than a month at the airport is a lot of dorks. This Snowden did not say, but it is clear without Coca-Cola.

Frightened Snowden promised to protect the lawyer Kucherena. No, not by myself, but with the help of the Russian police.

“We are worried about the situation around Edward: we see statements made by some US officials, they contain potential and hidden threats that openly call for physical violence against Edward,” a RIA Novosti correspondent quotes Kucheren. The lawyer promised to write a statement to the relevant authorities. The Moscow police will deal with these same Woolsey and Rogers.

On January 22, Edward Snowden was interviewed by the North German broadcaster NDR, in which he expressed confidence that US intelligence officials and the military wanted to kill him. Snowden's meeting with journalists in Moscow was held in secrecy.

As for the government, it does not intend to "pardon" its enemy. The head of the Department of Justice, US Attorney General Eric Holder, said at the University of Virginia: “We have always made it clear <…> that we do not want to consider the possibility of a pardon. If he wants to return to the US and plead guilty, we will talk to his lawyers. "

The new attacks by the “upper ranks” of the USA on Snowden are explained very simply: American society is very disappointed both in congressmen and in the presidential administration.

The report of the independent Federal Council on the protection of civil liberties of the United States said that the NSA phone wiretap is directed against the privacy and civil rights of Americans and should be curtailed, writes "Reedus".

The 238-page document, excerpts from which are published in The New York Times, deals with the use of data obtained during the program. Conclusions: the program itself “lacks solid legal grounds”, and the actual benefits of its implementation in the fight against terrorism are called “minimal”.

“There is not a single case in which she directly contributed to the disclosure of a terrorist plot or led to the breakdown of a terrorist attack,” the report’s authors note.

They emphasize that the activities of the special services "pose a serious threat to private life and civil rights."

Most Americans oppose the massive collection of data by local intelligence agencies. Researchers came to such conclusions, having studied the results of the USA Today and Pew Research Center survey, the channel "RT".

More than 1,5 thousand adult Americans took part in the survey.

About 53% of them said that they did not approve of the activities of the NSA in monitoring data on residents of the United States even in the framework of anti-terrorism activities, reports The Hill. 40% do not object to total control.

The ratio of opposing opinions has changed since July last year: then 50% of respondents favored surveillance, but only 44% opposed.

As they say, find the three differences.

Well, and the last.

During the “Mood of the Nation” public opinion poll, conducted by the Gallup organization, 65% of respondents negatively answered the question of the extent to which the American “system of government and how well it works” satisfy them. Told about it correspondent ITAR-TASS Andrey Shitov.

According to the study, almost two thirds of Americans consider the domestic bureaucracy too cumbersome and influential.

President Obama’s popularity, according to polls, is close to record lows. According to the estimates of Real Clear Politics, on average, he is currently gaining 43% positive responses against 51,4% negative ones.

But bad - Snowden. And Russia is bad. Around enemies. Oh, how familiar this is ...

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  1. svskor80
    svskor80 28 January 2014 08: 37
    +2
    Not the figure in the current situation to clean it. There will be a lot of unnecessary noise and everything will point to the CIA. Why is it for the Americans. I think this whole talking room is started, so that Snowden does not feel calm and safe, but lives under constant surveillance. It was necessary to remove it back in Hong Kong, why this was not done, the question is already another.
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 28 January 2014 09: 02
      +4
      Quote: svskor80
      Why is it for the Americans.

      So that others were not accustomed to, well, show what they are omnipotent.
      1. AVV
        AVV 28 January 2014 12: 57
        +2
        Quote: Jamal1974
        Quote: svskor80
        Why is it for the Americans.

        So that others were not accustomed to, well, show what they are omnipotent.

        Their methods are familiar to everyone, and now let them spray their saliva !!!
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 29 January 2014 08: 56
          +1
          Quote: AVV
          Their methods are familiar to everyone, and now let them spray their saliva !!!

          as practice has shown, their methods are familiar only to us ...

          the rest for some reason are very surprised when they get a face about the table ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 09: 06
      +21
      Quote: svskor80
      There will be a lot of unnecessary noise and everything will point to the CIA

      Kennedy whacked and what? confused by the noise and what pointed to the CIA. The towers were blown up, part of the Pentagon was blown up, there was a lot of noise, the culprit was appointed and it doesn’t matter what the majority says about the conspiracy. The main thing is done hi
      1. Canep
        Canep 28 January 2014 09: 18
        +4
        From the fact that the CIA will eliminate it, there will not be much use. Only the next portion of the shit on the fan. What he knew had already transmitted, and if he didn’t, then after his death this information would definitely be transmitted.
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 28 January 2014 12: 07
        +2
        They can crank it, they are used to the fact that everything is possible for them, and then there’s such a click on the nose, they want to re-fly and show that they still can do it.
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 28 January 2014 10: 45
      +4
      Quote: svskor80
      It was necessary to remove it back in Hong Kong, why they didn’t do it, the question is already different

      But because he simply had to appear in Russia. Otherwise, how can we be without the show "Snowden against America" ​​or "Snowden is the great spy of the beginning of the 21st century."
      Quote: Canep
      What he knew already transmitted, and if he didn’t, then after his death this information will definitely be transmitted

      He could convey a desu. An extremely original combination is obtained, the main information is desa, which was covered for the sake of freedom by a small layer of real information. It was not for nothing that he declared that he wants to return to America, but subject to an amnesty.
      Wait and see, the show continues.
      1. Canep
        Canep 28 January 2014 13: 38
        +4
        As for desa, I already wrote here in September or in August. It is very likely that the Americans cannot help but remember it, constantly reminding the whole world that they are suckers, indirectly confirm the hypothesis of disinformation covered by exposure. Another confirmation is that the Chinese were not interested in him, to see the information that he was dragging was intended only to Russia. If so then I wonder what they provoke Russia?

        In short, time will tell who is who. They carried Gorbachev forward in their arms, and now, with the passage of time, an understanding of his betrayal came. Yeltsin forward was the savior of Russia, and now besides the fact that he was a Bukharik, nothing comes to mind. Stalin was not doused with mud as soon as possible, but time has shown that he was largely right. My parents considered Khrushchev the most correct ruler, the "thaw", in fact he is no better than Gorbachev. The Brezhnev times were called "drinking", but in fact, 30% of the industrial potential was created in the Brezhnev times.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 29 January 2014 09: 00
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          Another confirmation is that the Chinese were not interested in him, to see the information that he was dragging was intended only to Russia. If so then I wonder what they provoke Russia?

          Yes, ours weren’t particularly interested in him either, otherwise he wouldn’t be sitting in the transit zone ...

          that's just the desire to mess up America and show themselves to be great fighters for freedom of speech did overpower ...
      2. Dilshat
        Dilshat 28 January 2014 22: 51
        0
        I agree with baltika-18. He is the same "enemy of the United States" as Bin Laden. The latter's clan is still alive and well in the United States.
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    5. atalef
      atalef 28 January 2014 11: 45
      -1
      Quote: svskor80
      There will be a lot of unnecessary noise and everything will point to the CIA.

      It's like a pig to cut) as Putin said) - a lot of screeching, but not enough wool.
      As a result, everything will be much simpler, the State Department will make a deal with him and he will return after receiving the minimum penalty.
      Nobody will kill him for sure. all the more, he clearly secured himself in this regard. He keeps part of the archive as insurance in this case.
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 28 January 2014 12: 40
        0
        Quote: atalef

        It's like a pig to cut) as Putin said) - a lot of screeching, but not enough wool.
        As a result, everything will be much simpler, the State Department will make a deal with him and he will return after receiving the minimum penalty.
        Nobody will kill him for sure. all the more, he clearly secured himself in this regard. He keeps part of the archive as insurance in this case.


        Do you think that Snowden just lives like that, has his archives? Yes, the "men in black" from the FSB have been working with him for a long time, and his archives are in the same place. And Snowden is well aware that in the United States he will be demonstratively killed to show what happens to traitors. His only chance is cooperation with the FSB ...
    6. PDM80
      PDM80 28 January 2014 12: 33
      +2
      Why immediately to the CIA, you can remove, then blame everything on the damned Russians saying that it was they who removed him, because that pier repented and wanted to return to his homeland. Or something like that
    7. rolik
      rolik 28 January 2014 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: svskor80
      Not the figure in the current situation to clean it.

      And if ours played the game in the best style of Sh. Kh.)))))))) Snowden bait, even his location is known. A miserable sits in such an apartment, skerries)))) The windows are curtained, it does not go out onto the street. Evil Russian special services with service bears on a leash do not hang around the house))))) The most ingenious and most handsome American special agents who arrived in Russia in a supposedly freight car. Outside it is only commercial, inside everything is done with the latest technology, a mobile headquarters and a collection point. Remember how in the Mission the number was implausible, I don’t remember which one there was such a trailer. So, using the whole bunch of NSA supercomputers, and the best hackers, these agents easily, within half an hour, break into the intercom of this house. Then, using the Matrix-style movement style, they rise at an accelerated pace to the floor where the villain Snowden dug in. To open an extremely complex lock such as an English latch, the entire arsenal of master keys collected from around the world is used. As a result, an hour later, with the help of a credit card, the ingenious lock was opened. Capture begins.
      And here the plan earlier proposed by me, the plan of Sh.H., the plan of Sherlock Holmes comes into play. When agents break into the apartment where the fugitive is, they see him sitting in a chair. With shouts: Aha !! I came across a traitor !!!!!, they attack him and begin to knit. After ten minutes of binding, they discover that it is .... chiort take it, mannequin !!!! The mannequin that was seated in a chair !!!! Silent scene .....
      and here, lazily playing with handcuffs, our guys enter. Well, then everything is clear. Cameras, false mustaches, mattress agent wigs. Their plaintive cries: We were framed !!! we generally went to the library))))))))
      In general, something like this)))))))))
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 28 January 2014 20: 16
        +2
        And aaaaaa - can I pour a box out of the same box - otherwise the beer is over wassat .
        1. rolik
          rolik 29 January 2014 13: 45
          0
          Quote: lelikas
          can I pour a box out of the same box - otherwise the beer is over

          That's just how it is poured into beer))) And since you have run out of beer, nothing will work recourse drinks
      2. official
        official 29 January 2014 01: 02
        +2
        Bravo! Ready story - suggest to Bekmambetov. I think in many countries it will be wildly successful .....
        1. rolik
          rolik 29 January 2014 13: 41
          0
          Quote: official
          Bravo! Ready story

          Thank you))) I tried))))) But will Bekmambetov co-author or not ??????
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 28 January 2014 22: 37
      0
      Quote: svskor80
      Not the figure in the current situation to clean it. There will be a lot of unnecessary noise and everything will point to the CIA. Why is it for the Americans. I think this whole talking room is started, so that Snowden does not feel calm and safe, but lives under constant surveillance. It was necessary to remove it back in Hong Kong, why this was not done, the question is already another.


      The figure can be any. The main thing is that someone really wants to. I wanted to replace fool-Hilary Bashar Khafikhzovich with a puppet - Syria has been terrified for the third year. For example, now you want Barak Huseynovich to gag Edik and goggle despite all the tricks.
      1. alone
        alone 28 January 2014 22: 47
        +1
        That’s even kill, but you can’t convince me.
        1) If he killed his hotels, they would have done it a long time before he appeared in Russia.
        2) I doubt that the leading intelligence agencies of the world (including the FSB, in particular) did not know everything that Snowden says. If they did not know this, it means they were paid nothing in vain. All this is part of one big game.
  2. Old scoop
    Old scoop 28 January 2014 08: 39
    +2
    Will revenge be scary? If they wanted, then they would have been killed long ago.
    1. Bur39
      Bur39 28 January 2014 18: 40
      +1
      not very easy ....
    2. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 28 January 2014 18: 57
      0
      They just "play" a good face in front of the voters with a "bad" Snowden.
  3. Yashka Gorobets
    Yashka Gorobets 28 January 2014 08: 40
    +1
    A hackneyed but effective way to turn the arrows. Well, of course, you should not forget about the loot.
  4. Professor
    Professor 28 January 2014 08: 40
    -7
    But the bad is Snowden.

    Traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 28 January 2014 08: 48
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Traitor, he is a traitor in Africa

      Exactly. If ours, the Russian Petrov or Sidorov dumped into the states and shared with the whole world his knowledge in the field of nat. security, it is unlikely in the homeland he would be considered a hero. The verdict would be issued in a couple of days - to quarter, hang, chop off the head, etc.
      And they’ll get to Edik later.
      1. Canep
        Canep 28 January 2014 09: 11
        +2
        And who is the minus, or for us the traitor is the best friend? That he is a traitor - definitely. And you shouldn’t trust him, betraying him once will betray him twice. Can we rehabilitate Belenko? Of course, it is impossible to give it out, otherwise no one else will bring such gifts to us.
      2. shibi
        shibi 28 January 2014 09: 20
        +1
        They will forget about him later.
        Both in the States and in Russia.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 09: 25
        +11
        Quote: Galich Kos
        If ours, the Russian Petrov or Sidorov dumped into the states and shared with the whole world his knowledge in the field of nat. security

        It is strange that in the United States, ordinary citizens for the most part do not consider him a traitor. Do not know why?
        1. Galich Kos
          Galich Kos 28 January 2014 09: 29
          0
          I speak for myself, and not for most ordinary US citizens!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 10: 10
            +7
            Quote: Galich Kos
            I speak for myself

            I understand this is a question that is perplexing and difficult to answer, especially when everyone is under one comb
            If I see on the street tomorrow that the armed men rob the store and call the police to bind them. Will you call me an informer? Why am I asking this way, because such a question in prison will be answered unequivocally, and here opinions will be different. And they will depend on the moral character and upbringing, of each individual person.
            1. Galich Kos
              Galich Kos 28 January 2014 11: 01
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              ordinary citizens for the most part do not consider him a traitor. Do not know why?

              I don’t know, but I guess. For Americans, civil liberties, privacy are a sacred cow and God forbid anyone touch them, the reaction will be unambiguous. The state violated these rights, Snowden completely surrendered this state, opened their eyes to harsh reality. Naturally, for a certain number of citizens he is a hero. But his actions clearly did not raise US authority in the world and did some damage. Therefore, for power this person is a traitor. If you serve the country, then serve honestly and to the end, take the oath, so be kind - do not break! If the Americans ever bang him, then personally this will not cause me questions, because he deserves it.
              And your comparison with armed robbers is sorry, this is from another play.
              By the way, domestic "Snowden" for you, too, nat. heroes fighting a barbaric non-democratic Russia and bloody Putin?
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              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 11: 33
                -1
                [quote = Galich Kos]. But his actions clearly did not raise US authority in the world and did some damage. [/ quote]
                It's cool, but this video also harmed the United States, and the one who posted it also became a traitor and an accomplice of terrorists. Cool yes wink [quote = Galich Kos]. [quote = Galich Kos] By the way, domestic "Snowdens" for you are also nat. heroes fighting a barbaric non-democratic Russia and bloody Putin? [/ quote]
                Do we have these? Something I did not hear about the secret FSB prisons, torture, wiretapping of Russian citizens and total surveillance.
                1. Galich Kos
                  Galich Kos 28 January 2014 14: 14
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Something I did not hear about the secret FSB prisons, torture, wiretapping of Russian citizens and total surveillance.

                  Are you 100% sure that comrades in plain clothes do not read your correspondence in social networks, do not listen to your mobile phone, etc. If you have not heard something, this does not mean that it is not.
                  Or do you really give that our specials. services work in "white gloves" and have no "skeletons in the closet". Give it up. Any similar office around the world has secrets not for the general public. In any country in the world, the disclosure of state. secrets a criminal offense.
                  And why did you upload this video? Show me which Americans are cruel and bloodthirsty? I shouldn’t bother myself, I know about it even without you.

                  Alexander Romanov Do we have these?

                  Not yet, and it pleases me. You do not seem very!
        2. Bur39
          Bur39 28 January 2014 18: 44
          0
          by what they consider him an idealist
      4. Platoon
        Platoon 28 January 2014 17: 09
        0
        Gifts? Are you sure that we did not know anything before him and these "gifts" are "developers" for the media!
      5. Bur39
        Bur39 28 January 2014 18: 43
        0
        I do not agree ... - there is a difference between a spy and a scout, an idealist and a fanatic.
      6. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 29 January 2014 09: 10
        0
        Quote: Galich Kos
        Exactly.

        I agree with that ...
        all the more strange is the obscure activity of the CIA ... or are they at a loss?

        Quote: Galich Kos
        And they’ll get to Edik later.

        no, they will not get ...
        nobody will kill him on our territory, otherwise in America there are many spies on whom the ice ax cries ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 09: 10
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      Traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.

      Professor, whom did he betray? Those who violate and spit on the laws and rights of citizens, maybe those who turned your smartphone off and constantly listened to your conversations. Yes, this action has no justification, send a petition to Putin to immediately extradite the Snowden traitor to American justice wink
      1. Professor
        Professor 28 January 2014 09: 19
        -5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Professor, whom did he betray?

        He betrayed his own. Whether they are right or not, this is the third matter. Moreover, he betrayed not under torture, blackmail, but himself. On their own initiative.
        1. brainkiller
          brainkiller 28 January 2014 09: 32
          +9
          Quote: Professor
          Moreover, he betrayed not under torture, blackmail, but himself. On their own initiative.
          US hypocrisy has reached such heights that even trained people cannot bear it. )
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 09: 33
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          He betrayed his

          Yeah, but sorry, specifically, if possible, whom and to whom? He didn’t transmit ((there are no facts, because the dispute will not make sense on your part)) nothing to the special services of other countries, but simply told the whole world what the NSA was doing. Those documents that he threw into the press, but they weren’t worth an egg.
          Although, judging by the thinking of many or some, the one who tried to blow up Hitler is also a traitor who does not have an excuse. He is a traitor and Africa is a traitor. And whoever helped to bang Khattab is also a traitor. That's the kind of traitor in Africa.
          1. Professor
            Professor 28 January 2014 09: 37
            -8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            ) nothing to the special services of other countries, but simply told the whole world,

            Vasya Pupkin having access to top-secret information. For example, the detailed data of all Russian foreign intelligence agents will simply post this data on the Internet to the public ... And who will it be after that?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 28 January 2014 09: 41
              +3
              He will be like OLEG KALUGIN, a fighter with a bloody regime. (This is in the west)
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 10: 01
              +6
              Quote: Professor
              Vasya Pupkin having access to top-secret information. For example, the detailed data of all Russian foreign intelligence agents will simply post this data on the Internet to the public.

              But you don’t see the difference what the NSA is doing, or do you think that the FSB is listening to my Tedephone, but I don’t know about it?
              In general, I’ll tell you so, remember the video about how pilots of the turntable in Iraq shot civilians? - Remember, the one who laid out is now sitting in the jail, like a traitor, and the one who killed (war criminals) lives and rejoices.
              About 30 years ago, if this had happened in the USA, Snowden would have become a national hero, and the president would have resigned.
              1. Professor
                Professor 28 January 2014 10: 21
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                But you don’t see the difference what the NSA is doing, or do you think that the FSB is listening to my Tedephone, but I don’t know about it?

                It is not for Vasya Pupkin or Snowden to decide what to merge, and what not to merge. Betrayal is black and white.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                In general, I’ll tell you so, remember the video about how pilots of the turntable in Iraq shot civilians? - Remember, the one who laid out is now sitting in the jail, like a traitor, and the one who killed (war criminals) lives and rejoices.

                You cannot find a better example. Thank. The one who leaked this info is in jail because it was his fault (he leaked the info about those who worked with the Americans) that real people died. He is a traitor and no matter what flag he betrayed.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 11: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  The one who leaked this info is in jail because it was his fault (he leaked the info about those who worked with the Americans) that real people died.

                  Is that what American officials told you?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 28 January 2014 11: 40
                    -3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Is that what American officials told you?

                    Personally called and reported. wassat
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 29 January 2014 04: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Personally called and reported

                      Probably from the NSA wink
                      Quote: Professor
                      The one who leaked this info is in jail because it was his fault (he leaked the info about those who worked with the Americans) that real people died.

                      The paradox is that they showed sympathy for the dead and frankly did not give a damn about those who were shot from a helicopter.
                      A man lived, sinned his whole life, and then repented of his deeds. He probably betrayed Satan by turning away from him and turning to God. So professor?
              2. Wellych
                Wellych 28 January 2014 19: 27
                0
                He’s sitting because he had to pay moral damage, and I don’t know what would have happened 30 years ago, and those who stole and published a secret about Vietnam 40 years ago are caught and punished now.
            3. Sibiryak
              Sibiryak 28 January 2014 10: 02
              +4
              Quote: Professor
              And who will he be after that?

              Probably professorwhich, pointing to white, says black and vice versa! laughing
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        3. Sibiryak
          Sibiryak 28 January 2014 09: 35
          0
          Quote: Professor
          He betrayed his own.

          Once I did it, it means they were not ours.
          Quote: Professor
          Moreover, he betrayed not under torture, blackmail, but himself. On their own initiative.

          Since he was not his own, then he did not betray, it turns out.
          And you actually know who he relied on, so to speak, for fidelity to begin with, otherwise he betrayed everything, yes betrayed?
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        5. Ihrek
          Ihrek 28 January 2014 10: 25
          +8
          Quote: Professor
          He betrayed his own. Whether they are right or not, this is the third matter. Moreover, he betrayed not under torture, blackmail, but himself. On their own initiative.

          Professor, tell me, let's say if your friend, in secret from everyone, constantly hooligans, rapes, kills, eavesdrops, i.e. engaged in "antihuman" activities without listening to anyone, violating all kinds of written and unwritten (moral) laws, not putting the personal life of a simple (and not simple) person, and indeed his life in general, would you tell this to people to stop him or say "mine hut on the edge ", the main thing does not concern me? And I personally think the Americans themselves, together with their NSA, are traitors in this situation, eavesdropping on their friends. They are also responsible for the death of many thousands of people in the world. Under the regimes of Hussein and Gaddafi, there were no such terrorist attacks, murders and such derogation of people there as after the arrival of the amers with their jackals on a short occasion.
          1. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 28 January 2014 10: 36
            +3
            Quote: Jamal1974
            Professor, tell me ...

            He won’t tell you anything, because he can’t explain it, but the minus is sure to slap it, as evidence of disagreement with your position!
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          3. Professor
            Professor 28 January 2014 11: 21
            -5
            Quote: Jamal1974
            Professor, tell me, let's say if your friend, in secret from everyone, constantly hooligans, rapes, kills, eavesdrops, i.e. engaged in "antihuman" activities without listening to anyone, violating all kinds of written and unwritten (moral) laws, not putting the personal life of a simple (and not simple) person, and indeed his life in general, would you tell this to people to stop him or say "mine hut on the edge ", the main thing does not concern me?

            There is a criminal article on non-reporting and friendship has nothing to do with it. The example is not correct.
            All, absolutely all countries spy on others. And if Vasya Pupkin, Snowden or Anat Kam merges information with names, technical data, etc. to anyone or publicly available, then he / she / it is a traitor by definition. The traitor's motives do not matter whether it is money, ideology, or like Snowden's sexual upset.

            Quote: Jamal1974
            And I personally think that the Americans themselves are traitors in this situation, along with their NSA, eavesdropping on their friends

            There are no friends in politics - there are interests.

            Quote: Jamal1974
            Under the regimes of Hussein and Gaddafi there were no such attacks, murders and such impoverishment of people there as after the arrival of amers with their jackals on a short occasion.

            And does that make Snowden holy? Now has peace and grace come there?

            PS
            Would you be friends with someone like Snowden? Would you trust him? wink
            1. Ihrek
              Ihrek 28 January 2014 12: 29
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              And does that make Snowden holy? Now has peace and grace come there?
              Such as Snowden tear off the mask and reveal their true face. Although smart people already know everything. It is important to poke them in the mirror and show the Amer people. Because all the atrocities (at least the majority) are done with the money of Amer taxpayers. And they are probably the most carefree in the world and therefore the most ... (the quotation from M. Zadornov goes on). They believe everything their government tells them. In general, I would not mind everything that America does in the world, if it would bring happiness to people. But their actions bring only death, ruin. And you probably have to be either stupid, or the Americans to believe that this is done for the benefit of the people whom they bomb.
              Quote: Professor
              There is a criminal article on non-reporting and friendship has nothing to do with it. The example is not correct.

              First of all, we must be people. Where it is necessary and necessary to cover, and where it is impossible not to regret your own life without fear of the article or for your own skin, I apologize for a little rudeness hi .
              1. Professor
                Professor 28 January 2014 13: 33
                -1
                Quote: Jamal1974
                Where it is necessary and necessary to cover, and where it is impossible not to regret your own life without fear of the article or for your own skin, I apologize for a little rudeness

                Well-known test. You eat with your best friend, he is driving. It turns out that he does not notice the pedestrian crossing the street into the green light and knocks him down. Attention question. Do you tell the interrogator that your friend drove in red?
                Now the answers:
                In India, Africa and ... most will say that the pedestrian was walking on red.
                Israel ... they begin to find out first, but is the pedestrian alive? Was it possible to save him?
                In Switzerland, they unequivocally declare that they will tell you that you drove on red, and not a pedestrian.

                That is why some live in Switzerland, while others live in Africa.

                Quote: Jamal1974
                Personally, I’m not going to do anything bad to anyone, and therefore I have nothing to be afraid of and I don’t have any dark affairs

                Everyone has their skeletons in the closet.
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              3. atalef
                atalef 28 January 2014 13: 44
                -4
                Quote: Jamal1974
                Such as Snowden tear off the mask and show their true face

                There is no problem, but if tearing off masks falls under the law on violation of state secrets - as a hero be ready to go to hard labor for your beliefs. Somehow he behaved strangely - he escaped and betrayed. Could calmly declare the same without theft of information. State the press, come to the Senate Commission. He chose the path - to escape and begin to publish classified materials.
                Quote: Jamal1974
                It is important to poke them in the mirror and show the Amer people.

                Every state has secrets, every state spies on everyone it can and how it can. Trying to poke America in the eye, try not to knock your own along the way.
                Quote: Jamal1974
                Because all the atrocities (at least the majority) are done with the money of Amer taxpayers

                Do not be so clear. I think in your native Dagestan they steal. sawing loot. and they keep slaves in brick factories - not with the money of the States. This is one of many examples and far from the last about the evil in the world.
                Quote: Jamal1974
                Where it is necessary and necessary to cover, and where it is impossible not to regret your own life without fear of the article or for your own skin,

                Typical double standards - don't you find?
                1. Ihrek
                  Ihrek 28 January 2014 23: 21
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Every state has secrets, every state spies on everyone it can and how it can. Trying to poke America in the eye, try not to knock your own along the way.

                  Listen, you are a Jew, I actually did not insult you.
            2. Ihrek
              Ihrek 28 January 2014 12: 50
              0
              Quote: Professor
              PS
              Would you be friends with someone like Snowden? Would you trust him?

              Why not. Personally, I’m not going to do anything bad to anyone, and therefore I have nothing to fear and I don’t have any dark deeds (if you tend that he can turn me over). Friendship with him should be afraid of those who have something to hide from the people. As far as I know, he did not send out any data undermining the country's security.
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              2. atalef
                atalef 28 January 2014 13: 50
                -4
                Quote: Jamal1974
                Why not. Personally, I’m not going to do anything bad to anyone, and therefore I have nothing to be afraid of and I don’t have any dark affairs

                The conversation is not about you, but about Snowden.
                Quote: Jamal1974
                Friendship with him should be afraid of those who have something to hide from the people.

                And you have nothing to hide? I do not believe everyone has their own skeleton.
                Quote: Jamal1974
                As far as I know, he did not send out any data undermining the country's security

                Well. Yes . vulture secretly, for love of art hang on documents.
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                2. Ihrek
                  Ihrek 28 January 2014 23: 30
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  And you have nothing to hide? I do not believe everyone has their own skeleton.

                  There is no one without sin, the main thing is that it does not bring suffering to anyone. Do you have a different opinion?
            3. Ihrek
              Ihrek 28 January 2014 23: 41
              0
              Quote: Professor
              There are no friends in politics - there are interests.

              Professor, then you acknowledge that the Americans bomb independent countries because of their interests, and not because they want to save the peoples of these countries from formidable tyrants. And the friends of Syria, these are not friends at all, but countries pursuing their own interests. Although I and all sane people know the answer. Or you will try to somehow refute your words. If you do not mind you can be on you.
        6. RUSS
          RUSS 28 January 2014 10: 26
          +2
          [quote = professor] [quote = Alexander Romanov] Professor, who did he betray? [/ quote]
          He betrayed his own. Whether they are right or not, this is the third matter. Moreover, he betrayed not under torture, blackmail, but himself. On their own initiative.


          Treason is a treacherous surrender of someone to someone or something else, or a violation of fidelity to someone or something.
          Betrayal - violation of fidelity to someone or failure to fulfill a duty to someone.
          Betrayal is universally condemned as a sin or violation of taboos by most religions and is condemned by the moral laws of society. Betrayal is most often called leaving a friend in trouble and high treason. Betrayal can either pursue any profit or not.
          Often betrayal is also called adultery and apostasy (religious apostasy).

          Of all this, Snowden does not fit into any definition.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 28 January 2014 12: 59
            -2
            Quote: RUSS
            Of all this, Snowden does not fit into any definition.

            Have you carefully read the first paragraph? Or a problem with reading comprehension?

            Quote: RUSS
            Treason is a treacherous surrender of someone to someone or something else, or a violation of fidelity to someone or something.

            and with the second how?

            Quote: RUSS
            Betrayal - violation of fidelity to someone or failure to fulfill a duty to someone
        7. Zabvo
          Zabvo 28 January 2014 15: 22
          +1
          And in what did you betray? For you, in principle, what does it mean to betray? He swore allegiance not to the lobby of the "world gendarme", but to his people (he gave up everything when his compatriots began to be tapped, etc.). I think that Russia accepted him only because of the information that he naturally collected in advance (for Russia or China). And I do not consider it necessary to delve into this topic, since this is in the full jurisdiction of the FSB and you should not be very interested in why "problems are on the soft spot."
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          2. atalef
            atalef 28 January 2014 17: 06
            +1
            Quote: ZABVO
            And in what betrayed? For you, in principle, what does it mean to betray?

            For me ? Violate the oath or subscription for non-separation of state. secrets - but for you this is not a betrayal?
            Quote: ZABVO
            He swore not to the lobby of the "world gendarme", but to his people

            This is what Dudaev and Maskhadov said the same way - when they were asked about the oath of the USSR, they replied that Tony swore allegiance to their people.
            Quote: ZABVO
            I think that Russia accepted it only because of the information that he naturally collected in advance (for Russia or China).

            So who is he after that?
            Quote: ZABVO
            And I do not consider it necessary to delve into this topic, since this is in the full jurisdiction of the FSB and you should not be very interested in why "problems are on the soft spot."

            laughing
            1. Zabvo
              Zabvo 2 February 2014 18: 12
              0
              You know, such a shl ... as a tat-the United States is not "dumb to betray." Or would you yourself have served these idiots? Motherland is one thing for us, for them it is number 1: Freedom in almost everything (except when normal people tried to go to Wath Street in New York). №2 This is the sacred observance of item №1 !!! No. 3 This is a "firearm" on the hands, why "HZ" ??? You can talk for a long time who is good and who is not, but the fact will be a fact, the power in the United States has become so fucking ... one that it is a sin not to throw it in a priori ...
        8. Wellych
          Wellych 28 January 2014 19: 25
          +1
          It is no longer clear who is their own, who is alien.
          The United States is stratifying, and the common people are slowly beginning to realize that someone has settled in behind and has them, gently whispering slogans in their ear. For the NSA, the fight against terrorism is like "Workers of all countries, unite", and the main goal was to serve strategic economic interests - read corporations.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 28 January 2014 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      But the bad is Snowden.

      Traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.


      If he is a traitor, whom did he betray? The purpose and motives of his betrayal? Did he pass the fat? Weakened US defense?
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 January 2014 12: 57
        -3
        Quote: RUSS
        If he is a traitor, whom did he betray?

        First of all, having entered the NSA, he gave the relevant non-disclosure subscriptions and assumed the corresponding obligations
        Having kidnapped and giving out secret information - if he is not a traitor, then who?

        Quote: RUSS
        Did he pass the fat? Weakened US defense?

        Nobody knows, including you. I think out of 1.5 million documents that he stole enough food for an inquiring mind, that would be much to figure out
        Did he weaken the defense of the United States - of course. otherwise why do privacy stamps hang on documents?
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    4. sevtrash
      sevtrash 28 January 2014 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.

      Perhaps at first he is an idealist, and then a traitor. Although the degree of total control - spying on the United States around the world is simply shocking. The KGB was not standing nearby. The USA is again ahead of the rest.
      But that’s why the double approach is so pronounced. All defectors, traitors from the USSR and Russia are heroes of the West. The question is rhetorical, the United States and the European Union hate Russia, the best option for them is Russia, which has been ruined into parts, like Yugoslavia. This is the main goal, God forbid, one of the future presidents of Russia will forget this - they will devour it.
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      2. atalef
        atalef 28 January 2014 13: 06
        -2
        Quote: sevtrash
        Perhaps at first he is an idealist, and then a traitor

        how is Penkovsky? He was the same idealist. and hundreds of traitors
        In the SS and the Wehrmacht - the same many came from idealistic reasons (I'm talking about Soviet citizens in the Second World War) - so who are they? Idealists or traitors?
        Whom did the military tribunal hang? Idealists (who may also have killed no one. So the underground members or sympathizers were promoted or some other secret Old) - so in vain did they hang traitors in vain? After all, idealists seem to be like?
        Quote: sevtrash
        But that’s why the double approach is so pronounced. All defectors-traitors from the USSR and Russia are heroes of the West

        it reminds me of a story about their spies and our scouts
        Quote: sevtrash
        This is a rhetorical question, the United States and the European Union hate Russia, the best option for them is Russia, which has collapsed into parts, like Yugoslavia. This is the main goal, God forbid, one of the future presidents of Russia will forget this - they will devour it.

        As I understand it, the task of Russian intelligence is to strengthen the US defense power and to contribute in every way to its development.
        Do not smack nonsense.
        Everyone spies the same way against each other and everyone has the same goals.
        1. sevtrash
          sevtrash 28 January 2014 15: 19
          0
          Quote: atalef
          As I understand it, the task of Russian intelligence is to strengthen the US defense power and to contribute in every way to its development.
          Do not smack nonsense.

          You rated your nonsense?
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    6. Kurbashioglu
      Kurbashioglu 28 January 2014 13: 35
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.


      You are right at 100%, but I won’t catch you, why are they missing you, for the flag?
  5. calocha
    calocha 28 January 2014 08: 41
    0
    Rather, how everything will settle down then and arrange - "an accident." I would have done the plastic and left for the taiga ...
    1. PANZER
      PANZER 28 January 2014 09: 35
      0
      Quote: calocha
      Plastic

      Yeah))) under the bear
      1. calocha
        calocha 28 January 2014 10: 45
        +1
        This is a reliable way to survive .. It is already history! "Moor" has done its job ...
  6. Ihrek
    Ihrek 28 January 2014 08: 46
    +1
    Killing Snowden is "very sweet candy" for American intelligence agencies anyway. So that they will want to try to get this candy, which we cannot allow in any way.
  7. svoi
    svoi 28 January 2014 08: 48
    0
    On it, you can "catch"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2014 09: 12
      +2
      Quote: svoi
      On him, you can "catch

      Who, a sniper pawn by the name of Petrov, who will be paid by unknown persons, whose corpses will be caught in the river in the spring? or do you think the killer from the US will come, whose arrival will be widely covered by the press?
      1. svoi
        svoi 28 January 2014 14: 35
        0
        Why catch a performer? The agents will stir, arranging "leaks" of provocation, to monitor this stirring, and to catch in the literal sense is quite primitive, well, if you only send someone, in response to something.
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 January 2014 09: 11
    +5
    professor (2) IL
    .....
    Traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.


    Are you talking about Gorbachev and Yeltsin ?, I absolutely agree with you!
    And Snowden - just plucked up the courage to tell the whole WORLD that everyone already knows, but they are AFRAID to say out loud that "the king is naked." If the Russian special services had come to such a boorish, unceremonious invasion of the life of the first persons of states, and someone told the WORLD about "THIS", everyone who now stigmatizes Snowden would CLAP their hands, put "on Bozhnichka", they would announce "Dove of Peace" and was nominated for the Nobel Prize. And on Russia about 50 years about this, they would pour slops.
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 January 2014 13: 56
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      And Snowden - just got the courage to say out loud to the whole WORLD that everyone already knows

      One could say that he had gained courage. if he hadn’t escaped, but like that Amerovsky private who merged into Wikileaks and went to court.
      And he just faded and began to bargain. An ordinary traitor. Yes and more to everything. I ruined my life for myself - and I don’t think that I proved it to anyone
      Quote: ia-ai00
      If the Russian special services came to such a boorish, unceremonious intrusion into the lives of the first persons of states, and someone told the WORLD about "THIS",

      Not so long ago there was infa that the FSB was listening to Merkel’s cell phone, do you think that the FSB, the SVR and the GRU are not spying? Spies everywhere and for everyone and for you, including
      Quote: ia-ai00
      And in Russia about 50 years about this, would have poured slops.

      You reason at the first grader level. everyone understands who, how and where.
      That's why she’s intelligence. to spy. otherwise why?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 29 January 2014 08: 58
        0
        Well, you are clearly not a "first grader", your level is "higher", and you probably know that they kill in America, even if "it just seemed like something." Who would have presented Snowden on the air or in the press, so that he would be heard, including abroad. And there is no doubt that this is his act - HEROIC, since Snowden himself realized that the FSB had long "arms" and could be reached in any country.
        Not so long ago there was infa that the FSB ...

        And who presented this "info"?
        Yes, all countries spy, but spread rot for some reason, only RUSSIA, and not only foreign "figures", but also in Russia itself, the fifth column, under the "mask" - human rights defenders, financed by "partners" of Russia with a stone in their bosom, who stir up and stir up all sorts of events, and OVERCOMING everything 100%!
  9. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 January 2014 09: 14
    +3
    Kill Snowden ... It would be better to shoot yourself. For it’s not so bad that it sticks out of the fly, but the one who periodically fastens it fastens.
  10. Lumumba
    Lumumba 28 January 2014 09: 16
    0
    Why kill him?

    Snowden is an undercover agent delicately introduced into Russia, with the ideal world-wide legend of "a sufferer for freedom on the Internet." Naturally, there is no evidence.

    It's my personal opinion.
    1. shibi
      shibi 28 January 2014 09: 25
      +5
      And who will he spy on?
      Their corrupt enough at all levels.
  11. cahekmosa
    cahekmosa 28 January 2014 09: 21
    -1
    he is right or wrong, he did good or bad, I don’t know, but he took the oath and violated it. TRAITOR
  12. Dreamer
    Dreamer 28 January 2014 09: 22
    +4
    American politicians, with the help of a wiretapping program, solved only their selfish issues and there is no need to talk about any national security ...
  13. Lumumba
    Lumumba 28 January 2014 09: 23
    +2
    Yes, he did not break the oath!

    Really no one sees the obvious things behind the screams of the media and human rights defenders? In Russia, a perfectly trained US national security agent is officially located.
  14. Lumumba
    Lumumba 28 January 2014 09: 27
    +2
    Something I doubt very much that people who are mentally unstable and ready to betray at any moment go to key employees of such a structure as the NSA (and the so-called secret service of the US president’s security there is only being trained there).
  15. Samaritan
    Samaritan 28 January 2014 10: 04
    +1
    Quote: Jamal1974
    Quote: svskor80
    Why is it for the Americans.

    So that others were not accustomed to, well, show what they are omnipotent.


    Here's the key phrase: And now the United States will have to spend, Rogers said, “billions and billions” of dollars to “tidy up” what Snowden ruined by his enemy activities. (In one fell swoop of two birds with one stone: the external enemy is designated - Russia, and it’s time to inflate the budgets, because the fight against the enemy is worth the money. Snowden played, it turns out, in the hands of the special services and their lobby from Congress!)
    People do not change am
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 28 January 2014 10: 22
      0
      This is the same as the Americans themselves blew up the "twin towers" in 2001 ... If there is no "reason", they will come up with it themselves.
  16. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 January 2014 10: 30
    +2
    I do not know how things are in Russia and the "almighty" who slept through a bunch of terrorist attacks by the "KGB", but should an ordinary clerk, who in the course of the case is Snowden, should have access to such an array of information? The NSA, well, his assistant, one or two more people in the government and that's all. And the rest should know only what they need directly, a person is "engaged" in Russia, he does not need to know about operations, let's say in China, for a person is such a creature It’s unnecessary to talk, but here it seems that the entire agency, starting with the cleaning lady, is aware of all operations.
    1. rereture
      rereture 28 January 2014 11: 22
      +2
      Snowden was the system administrator, that is, he served this whole almshouse, and had full access to the data. When I worked as a system administrator, I had access to all data stored on computers. Even to the boss's email. And pc users are also illiterate. For example, they like the "remember password" function in programs and when entering sites
  17. ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 January 2014 10: 52
    +1
    Well, stupid Americans, it wasn’t necessary to scare Edik, even if you considered him a traitor or a recruited Russian spy, it would be better to sniff quietly into two holes, and so you’ve got the whole world busy pulling what Edik actually warned you about. In general, Amerikosov’s greatness is destroying itself, and now it blames Edik for his stupid logic, plus they immediately shout to the whole world that we are on the drum and we will continue to follow you.
  18. Averias
    Averias 28 January 2014 10: 55
    +1
    I have a strong impression that Snowden is some kind of unsuccessful project of the US intelligence services. If you reasonably spread your brains, then what he said in fact of such a top secret. After all, any person with logical thinking, and having knowledge in physics, radio engineering, understands perfectly. That in our age of computerization and everything connected with it, electronic espionage is a consequence, not a cause. Therefore, the secret he told is Openel's secret. What else is that? Did he give the NSA access codes or where else? So this is nonsense, there are also not amateurs sitting there. What did he say that? And this is hysteria about the fact that they want to kill him, hehe, so why didn't they immediately kill? At first, it could be done without "noise and dust". I won't write about the ways, there are so many of them that you get tired of choosing.
    1. Dovmont
      Dovmont 28 January 2014 12: 03
      +2
      Therefore, the secret he told is the secret of the Open Sign. What else? Is he access codes to the NSA servers or where else did he issue them? So this is nonsense, there are also not amateurs sitting there. What did he say that?
      Do you really think that Snowden limited himself to giving out only the information that our media presented to us? Then you are a naive person! Judging by the hysteria that started in the USA, they really appreciated how much information went to Russia with Snowden. Otherwise, there was no reason for ours to mess with him, exacerbating already strained relations with the United States.
      1. Averias
        Averias 28 January 2014 12: 21
        0
        Nuuu, at the expense of naivety .... I will not say anything, who is naive and who is not. Snowden who? He is a clerk, sysadmin, a gear of a mechanism. And he did not have a "zero" (zero) tolerance and could not have. Like the rest of the staff. He could not sit on the "most important and primary server" and control all incoming streams. Since this is absurd. And he had access only to certain information. Since in addition to basic encryption, there is encryption according to the departments and directions that these departments are engaged in. So, for example, the department (employee) that "led" Merkel, in no way could see the correspondence and calls of the same Sarkozy (who was led by another employee). And while Snowden was "floundering" at Sheremetyevo, all codes and encryption methods were changed. And at the expense of the sense of fiddling with him and aggravating - that's just for this this fuss with him and arranged ours. Once again, show the stars that they are far from the masters of the world. And at the snap of our fingers, we will not rush to lick our hand.
        And also, what kind of information are you talking about? What is intercepted online is 90% garbage. It was probably interesting for us to read about how an American housewife, during cooking, discusses Obama by phone.
  19. nurlangali
    nurlangali 28 January 2014 11: 02
    +1
    I don’t know what to say, umm, but as one of my smart comrades NMP (new world order) said, it should have been built by 2012 with chips, security cameras, I agree it smells like conspiracy theories, but agree a few years ago, the total installation of security cameras coincided with a massive anti-tinting company for front and windshield cars (supposedly affecting traffic safety) And then Snowden appears, I don’t know whose craft it is, the Almighty or the special services wassat one thing is clear, something went wrong laughing And all this PRISM program by chance probably looks like this wink http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/370/ewvf651.jpg или
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 28 January 2014 11: 55
    0
    We would act like the Chinese, gracefully fusing the fugitive, if not for the stupidity and arrogance of the great and terrible U.S. intelligence agencies, who hastened to annul Snowden's passport, thus depriving him of the opportunity to continue the flight (as Putin said with the usual grace). They themselves invested in our hands to hold a watermelon, and now weaving fables about the descendants of the KGB. Doesn't give watermelon! We command him, but he does not give. Would learn how to prepare personnel in this KGB. And so it turned out the series. An interrupted flight is called.
  21. scientist
    scientist 28 January 2014 12: 29
    +1
    Snowden desperately lacks positive PR in the American media. According to the idea, he can be advertised as a fighter for the freedom of the nation and the arbitrariness of the special services, and then you look at senators or presidents. If they want to kill him, it’s only in order to annoy the American special services once again, like "they are so bad." Snowden has already done his job; financing for information security in the USA has been doubled. I would not be surprised if the special services themselves and the associated cybernetic corporations themselves pushed him in the right direction. I think that this is why the Russian special services are very cautious about him. Trading in secrets has always been a very profitable business, even if it is not necessary to anyone "the secret of Paul-Chanel". The main thing is that there would be a reason to increase the income of companies providing information security. And about national security and interests, all this is chatter until $ is behind them.
  22. Platov
    Platov 28 January 2014 12: 51
    +1
    If Snowden had something secret, he would not be allowed into Russia. What he knows for a long time is ours or not interesting. He has already informed the whole world, with the desire to return to the USA under an amnesty, that nobody needs him in Russia. And our special services will guard him until he himself admits that he is a mishandled Cossack.
  23. Flatter
    Flatter 28 January 2014 13: 18
    0
    The terrorist, who told about his activities, is the same traitor. The tracking system, for everything and all the same dynamite, acting selectively in the interests of the ruling clan. And the people are the same Snowden. And whom did he betray?
  24. spirit
    spirit 28 January 2014 13: 39
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    If Snowden had something secret, he would not be allowed into Russia

    Well, yes, he came to Moscow with 7 suitcases of file cabinets wassat . Naturally, the United States may well give it a go, if there is an opportunity, but I think it’s just intimidating + a game of the public as they like it. in the end they will bargain.
  25. ko88
    ko88 28 January 2014 15: 47
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    valuable shot, such run across once a generation.
  26. demotivator
    demotivator 28 January 2014 17: 50
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    President Obama’s popularity, according to polls, is close to record lows. According to the estimates of Real Clear Politics, on average, he is currently gaining 43% positive responses against 51,4% negative ones.
    But bad - Snowden. And Russia is bad. Around enemies. Oh, how familiar this is ...

    After the Pyatigorsk and Volgograd bombings, a group of CIA agents (special agents) travels to Moscow and Sochi under the guise of the FBI. Those. they are CIA agents, but they are called FBI agents. As part of the partnership in the “war on terror,” these people will enjoy many privileges, including access to places where, for example, not every Sochi police officer would be allowed.
    In addition, the 6th fleet of the US Navy hurries to help Sochi in the fight against terror. Rear Admiral John Kirby said: “Air and sea assets, including two Navy ships in the Black Sea, will be available upon request just in case to support the Russian government - and in consultation with it.”
    One way or another, during the Games, the Americans will keep two helicopter ships near Sochi, most likely landing docks, although U.S. Navy officials refused to name these ships, or at least their types. In accordance with the Convention of 1936, they can be in the Black Sea for no more than 21 days, that is, they fit within the dates of the Olympics. Turkey limits not only the length of stay and the number of foreign warships passing through the Turkish Straits, but also their tonnage, therefore, American aircraft carriers or BDK will not be missed.
    These restrictions are compensated by the fact that in case of a crisis in Sochi, in addition to the ships that will advance to the forefront in the Black Sea, the US military has at its disposal strategic military transport aircraft Boeing C-17 Globmaster III at Ramstein airbase and units Special Forces in Stuttgart, Germany, as well as the US Marine Corps Crisis Response Force in Spain. The United States offered its "full support to the Russian government engaged in organizing security for the Winter Olympics," Rear Admiral Kirby said.
    In short, there are so many American security forces in the area of ​​the Olympic Games that Snowden is better off watching the Olympics on television in some Siberian backwoods. It will be more whole.
  27. voliador
    voliador 28 January 2014 18: 10
    +1
    The babama cuts down on arms spending, so the defense lobby is looking for ways to increase these costs. Any reason here is a joy; And even about the fact that Snowden sold all of America - so this is the surest thing. "Chef, everything is gone ..." - shout all sorts of McCains and other Rogers.
  28. denort
    denort 28 January 2014 18: 17
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    To all these stories about wiretaps, surveillance, spy stories, the film "Enemy of the State" with Will Smith is very relevant. Moreover, at the end of the film, filmed in 1998, the US government says that the popular outrage has so far canceled the bill on granting the special services broad powers, but in the future it may again be initiated. 2001 is coming - and woo a la! - laws have been passed. American films, either predictions (like the film "the day after tomorrow" about an abnormal cold snap and frost), or a work plan for the future - who knows? ...
  29. Karabin
    Karabin 28 January 2014 18: 51
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    Apparently, with the approach of the Olympics - and the Western intelligence services planned to eliminate Edward in her early days, when the FSB moves to Sochi (? !!) and will concentrate entirely on the safety of athletes and the public, which the American “colleagues” will help her with - hairy hands were combed strongly at the Washington “hawks”, and fingers trembled on the triggers.

    And what nonsense you can’t read on the net.
  30. Wellych
    Wellych 28 January 2014 19: 32
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    Scouts are trying to share with shit with the military. After, according to the law of espionage fighters, they will kill Snowden, they will order to burn his emails and break all his monitors. The campaign on television is more like an impotent tantrum; if they wanted to kill, they would not have warned the victim. And they will kill - they will receive the whole secret on the first page of Google.
  31. blizart
    blizart 28 January 2014 20: 47
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    The degree of "cold" is increasing, we are on the eve of winter.
  32. Shur
    Shur 28 January 2014 21: 38
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    Jolly Rogers however ..
  33. scientist
    scientist 28 January 2014 22: 51
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    Quote: Wellych
    would like to kill - would not warn the victim.

    They do not want to kill. And to continue surveillance, and especially industrial espionage, in this way the American government at the expense of its citizens helps businesses, naturally those who invested in the election campaign.
    In addition, I am sure that Snowden was able to get to Russia so calmly only because the NSA wanted it, even the Chinese realized that he was a provocateur and did not stop. And now, Snowden began to fulfill his main function, namely, it gives an occasion to American society to discuss the traitor and traitor. As you know, all traitors run to enemies, in this case, Snowden creates the image of the US enemy in the person of Russia, which sheltered him. The only value of NSA surveillance secrets that everyone has long known about is that Snowden can act as a witness. But are there any international courts that decide to consider the legality of US actions? Therefore, as a witness, Snowden is worthless.
  34. Andrey77
    Andrey77 29 January 2014 16: 22
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    Oleg Chuvakin - it is necessary to be treated. .