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Lenin beat the capture of Petrograd by the Germans

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Lenin beat the capture of Petrograd by the Germans

Reproduction of the painting by Vera Lyubimova “Arrival of V.I. Lenin to Petrograd on April 3 of the Year 1917”. Source: RIA News



Kerensky, having surrendered the capital to the Germans, hoped with their hands to deal with the Bolsheviks; himself three hours before the Revolution was dismissed

21 January, marks 90 years since the death of Lenin. Around the name of the founder of our state (and legally the Russian Federation inherits the USSR, and not the Russian Empire), several myths still exist. One of them - that supposedly the Revolution was carried out by the Bolsheviks with German money - “Russian Planet” had already analyzed in detail: no German funding was found. The second myth is the presentation of the October Revolution by the “coup”. We analyze it in more detail.

What was the Revolution for?

The “Declaration of Revolution”, adopted by a narrow circle of Bolsheviks on the night of October 23, seems to be well known. But anyway, we recall how it was taken and pay attention to an important point in it.

The collection of the top of the Bolshevik Party took place in the apartment of Nikolai Sukhanov, (Petrograd, Karpovka, 32, apartment 31). The secret meeting was initiated by Lenin, organized by Sverdlov, the day before notifying participants about it. It began on the evening of October 23 and ended ten hours later. Of the twenty-four members of the Central Committee, twelve were present: Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sverdlov, Dzerzhinsky, Stalin, Uritzky, Bubnov, Sokolnikov, Lomov and Alexander Kollontai. Minutes of the meeting were kept by Varvara Yakovlev, and Sukhanov’s wife was carrying tea with sandwiches. Lenin was the last. He was dressed in the clothes of a Lutheran priest (as he was disguised from the secret police). Most of those present also changed their appearance (Zinoviev shaved off his thick beard, Stalin was in the dressing gown of a Tatar merchant). Since the meeting was to be kept in complete secrecy, the secretary of the meeting was ordered to make very brief recordings of speeches.

After a stormy debate, a document was adopted on the beginning of the Revolution. He was written on simple sheets of school notebooks. Here is its full text:

“The Central Committee recognizes that as the international position of the Russian revolution (the uprising navy in Germany, as an extreme manifestation of the growing worldwide socialist revolution throughout Europe, then a threat to the peace of the imperialists with the aim of strangling the revolution in Russia) - so is martial law (the undoubted decision of the Russian bourgeoisie and Kerensky with the KO to surrender Peter to the Germans) - so is the acquisition of the majority the proletarian party in the Soviets - all this in connection with the peasant uprising and with the turn of public confidence in our party (elections in Moscow), finally, the explicit preparation of the second Kornilovism (withdrawal of troops from St. Petersburg, transportation of Cossacks to Peter, the encirclement of Minsk by Cossacks, etc.), all this puts an armed uprising on the line of the day. Recognizing in this way that an armed uprising is inevitable and quite ripe, the Central Committee invites all party organizations to be guided by this and to discuss and resolve all practical issues from this point of view (the Congress of Soviets of the Northern Region, the withdrawal of troops from St. Petersburg, the speeches of Muscovites and Minsk dwellers, and so on). ” .

We specifically singled out in the text of the Declaration “the undoubted decision of the Russian bourgeoisie and Kerensky with the KO (company. - RP) to hand over Peter to the Germans”. Lenin in this case acted as a patriot of Russia. Was this suspicion of the Bolsheviks justified?

Kerensky as an ideologue of a separate peace with Germany

Historians still do not have a common opinion whether the Provisional Government was going to hand over Petrograd to the Germans - documents on this subject were passed on to the intelligence services of several countries, and these papers were either destroyed or have not been declassified yet. But indirectly, a great deal indicates that Kerensky and his government were ready (in relation to the time of writing the Bolshevik Declaration) to conduct separate negotiations with Germany in the coming days.

For example, Kerensky’s decision to weaken the capital’s garrison was very suspicious, sending the most combat-ready units from Petrograd to the front and intentions to leave the capital and transfer the government to Moscow instead of taking measures to protect the city.

Kerensky October 21 openly made it clear to the Entente that Russia is ready for negotiations with Germany. That day, he declared the conditions on which to end the war. The French, on the proposal of Kerensky, should have agreed that the future of Alsace and Lorraine should be decided through a plebiscite. Belgium will receive compensation through an international fund. Germany reserves all colonies. The Panama Canal is under US administration, the Suez and the Straits (Bosphorus and Dardanelles) are under England control. Secret diplomacy is canceled. Peace negotiations will be conducted by delegates elected by the parliaments of their countries.


Alexander Kerensky in Petrograd, August 21 1917. Photo: RIA News


Kerensky’s proposal caused a shock in the governments of the Entente countries. “Even in the event of Germany’s victory, the West could not expect worse conditions,” wrote the English ambassador to Russia, Buchanan. The pacifist radicalism of the Provisional Government raised the question: should the West, in general, discuss the future with a representative of Kerensky.

American whip for Russians

British Foreign Minister Balfour said to Russian Ambassador Nabokov: “We should not create a precedent for negotiations, when in fact private individuals receive exclusive prerogatives. Such a way of doing business could have undesirable consequences. ” To whom did Balfour's cryptic phrase belong? Nabokov later argued - to the Americans. In September - October 1917 political circles of the Entente and Russia were struck by the rapprochement of Russia with the United States, which became the main trading partner. In 1917, the Americans exported goods to $ 400 million (growth from $ 25 million in 1913 year) to the European part of Russia - for modern money it is about $ 9 billion. Exports included military materials, agricultural equipment, cars, locomotives, cotton , consumer goods.

The American ambassador to Russia was David Francis at the time - an elderly, stubborn banker from St. Louis, a sample of the worst characters from Theodore Dreiser's books about the "grimaces of capitalism." “I (USA. - RP) need manganese and copper from Russia! Russia itself is needed as a market for our products. This is Klondike, the Russians only need a whip to make it all happen! ”- these words were transmitted by the secretary’s agent of English intelligence to the American ambassador, the future well-known writer Somerset Maugham (which will be discussed below).

Maugham also reported to the center that “Americans are pushing Kerensky’s cabinet to negotiate with the Germans.” He also pointed out that Raymond Robins, who is formally one of the leaders of the American Red Cross, has a great influence on Kerensky, but in reality he is a major in military intelligence.

Later, the financial details of the cooperation between Americans and those close to Kerensky became clear. So, back in the spring of 1917, Foreign Minister Tereshchenko received a grant from the USA for $ 1 million, as they would say today, on the PR of American ideas in Russia.

Later, in the 1960s, Kerensky will tell you that Russia’s 20 of October 1917 received a separate peace proposal from the Austrians through the Swedish embassy, ​​which meant that Turkey and Bulgaria were moving away from Germany. And then, if it turns out to make peace with Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria, "Germany is not going anywhere either."

War Ministers refused to prepare coup

But the world with the Germans loomed somewhere far away, and here and now Kerensky had to do something with the Bolsheviks preparing to seize power in Petrograd. In early October, the ruler of Russia instructed the minister of war in the cabinet of the Provisional Government, Alexander Verkhovsky, to prepare a plan (no matter how crazy it might sound) of the “capture of Petrograd by the Germans”. Kerensky hoped with Germany’s hands to end the Bolsheviks, then conclude a separate peace, after which the Germans would leave the capital. “Two or three weeks will be enough for the Germans,” later recalled the words of Kerensky Verkhovsky.

This actually meant a coup in Russia, and Verkhovsky was afraid to take on such responsibility. 18 October at a meeting of the Provisional Government, he proposed to discuss the idea of ​​a separate peace with Germany, but did not find understanding from the other ministers. Verkhovsky, as he explained, “could not become a traitor to Russia,” and surrendered Kerensky’s plan to the Bolsheviks. 21 October, he was dismissed from the post of Minister of War. Allied Ambassadors Kerensky said that Verkhovsky was planning to seize power.

In place of Verkhovsky came General Alexey Manikovsky. But he also refused to let the Germans into Petrograd, which was later appreciated by the Bolsheviks: in 1918, Manikovsky became the head of the Academy of the Red Army, when he died, in 1922, the Academy of the Red Army headed Verkhovsky. The last two military ministers of the Provisional Government laid the foundations of military science in the Red Army, and their students again beat the Germans, already during the Great Patriotic War.

The British played their own game

Kerensky’s plans to conclude a separate peace with Germany and her allies, except for the Bolsheviks, were also carried out by the British. The clandestine operation in this area was Somerset Maugham, the future famous writer.

A special place in Moham’s plans was occupied by “Department No. 3”, designed to fight the Bolsheviks through the Mensheviks. An English intelligence officer wrote to London:

“Department No. 3 will have to support a moderate socialist party, known as the Mensheviks. This party is opposed to the Bolsheviks, or extremists, and advocates the reorganization of the army and the vigorous conduct of the war. However, it is absolutely liberal and even socialist in nature. But it stands out for its anti-prussiness. This department will produce a front-line newspaper for distribution among the soldiers in order to counter the very dangerous Bolshevik newspaper that they now publish there. ”


Somerset Maugham. Photo: AP


The British allocated $ 500 thousand (approximately $ 12 million at the current exchange rate) to finance the Mensheviks.

All of these plans — both Kerensky and the British — albeit in general terms, were known to Lenin (by the way, the accusation of 1930 processes of the Menshevik leaders for spying on England might have been based on real documents of that time, 1917 of the year). October 12 1917, despite opposition from the Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries, Petrograd Soviet, under the pretext of protecting the capital from the proposed surrender to the Germans, marked the beginning of the creation of the Military Revolutionary Committee (WRC), which became the legal headquarters for preparing the uprising. At an extended meeting of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party, Lenin declared: “The bourgeoisie wants to surrender Peter. We can save from this only by taking Petrograd in our hands. Power must be taken immediately, every lost day can be disastrous. History I will not forgive if we now do not take power. "

When Lenin in the pre-revolutionary days of October 1917 of the year said that “the delay of death is like,” he meant to a large extent precisely the Kerensky plan for the surrender of Petrograd to the Germans. All the other threats of the Revolution — the position of the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries, the introduction into the city of units loyal to Kerensky — had no real power. For example, the maximum that Kerensky could count on was the introduction of the faithful Cossacks into Petrograd 690. War Minister Manikovsky admitted to the governor of Russia that he did not have more faithful troops (not counting junkers and funny troops in the form of a women's battalion in the capital).

Second Provisional Government of Lenin

Now, about who allegedly overthrew Lenin and the Bolsheviks of October 25 1917.

October 24 Kerensky, making sure that neither the Chief nor the General Staffs are no longer his assistants, went to the Mariinsky Palace, where he met the Provisional Council of the Russian Republic (the Pre-Parliament is the legitimate legislature in Russia - RP) to seek political support against the Bolshevik conspiracy. His speech was distinguished by concreteness, which was noted even by the constant critic of the Minister-President Kadet Nabokov.

Kerensky proposed knocking out of the hands of the Bolsheviks two of their main slogans — on land and on peace. The land issue, he said, should be urgently referred to the local land committees already established in the spring of 1917, without waiting for the Constituent Assembly to convene. And the question of peace, Kerensky continued, to raise at the upcoming 8 — 9 of the Paris Conference of the Entente countries in November. Then he attacked the Bolsheviks: “This is an attempt to raise the mob against the existing order of things!” Kerensky ended his speech with the call “Homeland or Death!” The speech was met with stormy applause from the Pre-Parliament.

Kerensky did not doubt that after a brief debate, the pre-parliament would overwhelmingly vote for a vote of confidence and give his government a blank check to defeat the Bolsheviks. However, a terrible blow awaited him: October 24 20 30 minutes, literally three hours before the start of the Revolution in St. Petersburg, 123 votes against 102 when 26 abstained from the Pre-Parliament denied confidence to Kerensky and his government. Leaving the meeting, he said: “The government will resign tomorrow morning.”

In other words, if we consider the Pre-Parliament as the only legitimate body between the finally dissolving 1 (14) of September IV of the State Duma and the Constituent Assembly still not elected, the first Provisional Government was dismissed by this resolution of parliamentarians. This made it easier for the Bolsheviks to formalize their military coup as the formation of the second Provisional Government (Council of People's Commissars) in the form of the Soviet government, approved by the II All-Russian Congress of Councils. De jure and de facto, Lenin 25 October 1917 of the year became the leader of the second Provisional Government of Russia.

Thus, the Bolsheviks saved Petrograd from the German occupation, and the country gained legitimate power (at least as legitimate as the first Provisional Government, which also came as a result of the coup).
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  1. sergey261180
    sergey261180 1 February 2014 10: 08
    -16%
    So the Bolsheviks saved Petrograd from German occupation, and the country received legitimate power
    And Anglo-American intervention with 30 million corpses during the civilian.
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 1 February 2014 10: 28
      +13
      Quote: sergey261180
      And Anglo-American intervention with 30 million corpses during the civilian.

      I would very much like to know where you got such "reliable" data. Operating with such numbers, you probably have a reliable and faithful source? Can you find out in order to expand your horizons?
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 1 February 2014 10: 54
        -12%
        Do you think how many killed? Here is a link for example http://zarubezhom.com/antigulag.htm
        1. Combitor
          Combitor 1 February 2014 12: 15
          +13
          Quote: sergey261180
          Here is a link for example http://zarubezhom.com/antigulag.htm

          As an argument, you quote <"There will be no rehabilitation" Prof. Stoleshnikov A.P. Third edition, revised. 2012>?
          I searched for information about this author, some kind of phantom. Although no, there is one, but more in medicine - sexology, etc.
          And as arguments in this "work", links are given entirely to English, American and German sources. One of them is A. Rosenberg. Remember who he is?
          <Alfred Rosenberg (German Alfred Ernst Rosenberg; Russian Alfred Voldemarovich Rosenberg; January 12, 1893, Revel, now Tallinn - October 16, 1946, Nuremberg) - German statesman and politician of Russian origin, one of the most influential members and ideologist of the National socialist German workers' party (NSDAP). Reichsministerium für die besetzten Ostgebiete (1941-1945). Reichsleiter (1933-1945), SA Obergruppenführer. By the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal, he was declared one of the main war criminals.
          He is considered the author of such key concepts of Nazi ideology as "racial theory", "the final solution to the Jewish question", the rejection of the Treaty of Versailles and the fight against the "degeneration of art">
          With the same "success" it is possible to cite the "works" of Adolf Hitler as arguments.
          PS I respect the opinion of others, so I did not "minus" you.
          1. sergey261180
            sergey261180 1 February 2014 13: 37
            -20%
            With the same "success" it is possible to cite the "works" of Adolf Hitler as arguments.
            Why not? If our sworn enemy says that white is white and black is black - will you deny it? Hitler is only to blame for the shame on the war. If he won, everything would be exactly the opposite, would be now in chocolate, white and fluffy. Roosevelts, Churchill, Degoli and Stalin are neither better nor worse.
            1. Combitor
              Combitor 1 February 2014 23: 19
              +3
              Quote: sergey261180
              Hitler is only to blame for the shame on the war. If he won, everything would be exactly the opposite

              If A. Hitler won, then it is unlikely that you would have the opportunity now to sit at the computer and push the buttons. You probably would not have been at all, like many others. And if they were, then in the form of an experimental exhibit in some glazed numbered box. And schoolchildren and students with an Aryan appearance would write laboratory works about you.
            2. Umnichka
              Umnichka 2 February 2014 03: 22
              +1
              The lost generation, all to the top. Geeks.
            3. Umnichka
              Umnichka 2 February 2014 03: 22
              0
              The lost generation, all to the top. Geeks.
            4. ochakow703
              ochakow703 2 February 2014 07: 04
              0
              Yes, you, my dear, tore off the roof! For such words you have a huge minus. And this is the least I can do for you.
        2. Gamdlislyam
          Gamdlislyam 1 February 2014 13: 24
          +5
          Quote: sergey261180
          Do you think how many killed? Here is a link for example http://zarubezhom.com/antigulag.htm

          Dear colleague Sergei, having looked at the link of the opus "Prof. Stoleshnikov AP", remembered the famous phrase of grandfather I. Krylov - "It is a problem if the shoemaker starts the pies, and the baker starts making boots".
          This "Professor" is hiding somewhere in the vastness of the United States and is positioned as a certified doctor in Russia and a licensed doctor in the United States. He writes books on various soviet areas of medicine, nutrition, political science, sovietology, Slavism. All books are written in a strongly anti-Semitic coloration.
          Personality Stoleshnikova A.P. extremely mysterious. Neither his biography nor his photos are on the Internet. According to him (there are no other sources), he is a professor and a doctor. He loves the appeal of "Holmes" (respectively, the potential reader calls "Watson").
          There is an assumption that no Stoleshnikov exists and that this is simply someone’s pseudonym, and whether he is collective or individual is also unknown.
          To use such a source of information in a discussion is, to put it mildly, incompetence, or trolling.
          1. sergey261180
            sergey261180 1 February 2014 15: 34
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            There is an assumption that no Stoleshnikov exists and that this is simply someone’s pseudonym, and whether he is collective or individual is also unknown.
            Watson, you guessed it !? laughing This is elementary Watson! If you write this openly, the next day you will be found surfaced in a pond or not at all (by the way, there are examples on the site). Of the other hoaxes, Kozma Prutkov, for example, is immediately remembered. hi
            1. vladkavkaz
              vladkavkaz 1 February 2014 17: 03
              +2
              sergey261180
              Seeing a little man born in 80, who got to his misfortune in an era of changes and general fooling, is hard to understand - "Prof" Stoleshnikov is a product of ideological struggle and fooling?
              And it’s equally clear that among professional HISTORIANS, this figure enjoys about the same respect as Pinocchio reality.
              1. sergey261180
                sergey261180 1 February 2014 17: 08
                -3
                among professional HISTORIANS
                A professional historian is the one who works for the loot, and whoever pays the loot orders the story.
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 19: 48
                  -1
                  hi
                  The Social Democrats (b) first in London (!) For the money of “simple” English Samaritans organize their party (2 congress of the RSDLP - 17 (30) of July - 10 (23) of August 1903), and then they supported the defeat of Russia for the next tranches during the Russo-Japanese War, they organized revolutionary terrorism in the country, killing and maiming from 1901 to 1911 a year about 17 thousand people (of which 9 thousand during the 1905-1907 revolution, in 1907 a year, an average of up to 18 people died every day) . And then, after a short break, according to the plan of Alexander Lvovich Parvus (Israel Lazarevich Gelfand) according to the “Memorial of Dr. Gelfand”, for the money of the German (and not only ...) government, comrade the Bolsheviks organized the October Revolution, smoothly flowing into the fratricidal Civil War. Thus, having arranged, “the day before the Victory,” the defeat of the country in the First World War and having deleted from the memory of the people 5 million (!) Dead Russian soldiers.
                  Ditching the color of the nation in the Civil War - more than 10 million people died and died during epidemics, more than 4 million people became disabled and more than 2 million people emigrated to other countries. And, having destroyed the country “to the ground” - more than a quarter of national wealth was lost, national income decreased by 2,75 times compared to 1917, the gross output of small industry dropped to 43% of the pre-war level, gross grain harvest to 67%, metal processing products amounted to 7% of the 1913 level, pig iron production a little more than 2%, due to the lack of fuel and raw materials, most enterprises were idle, railways carried out no more than 12% of the 1913 transportation volume, mail and communication practically did not work - com unisty with damaged control system, but "with burning eyes" took the people "to a brighter future," which decided to build his own, people, hands.
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 19: 49
                    -1
                    And since they didn’t promise to feed on the way, then on the way they “lost” another 5 million from starvation in 1920-21. and more than 7 million people in 1932-33 Due to the amateurism of the ruling stratum of the Bolshevik party and the Soviet state, consisting of people who did not have experience in real economic activity, the quality of managerial decisions was extremely low, and the concentration in the hands of the state of management of all sectors of the economy contributed to the swelling of the apparatus and the growth of bureaucracy. In addition, along with disinterested adherents of the Bolshevik idea, there were many careerists and even “socially close” criminals in the government. The expulsion of representatives of the opposition Bolshevik parties from power contributed to the lack of control of leaders who were convinced that “everything is permitted to them,” “the end justifies the means,” or else “why did they shed blood ?!” In short, there were many foremen, and few professional builders, because the number of workers decreased by 6 – 7 times, and since “the salvation of drowning people was the work of the drowning people themselves”, “Your word, comrade Mauser!” the purging terror broke out! “Let the storm strike harder!” As a result, more than 1 million 700 thousand people were arrested and at least 725 thousand of them were shot during the Great Terror of 1937-1938, when the Bolshevik state killed an average of a thousand (!) Of its citizens every day. Having finally achieved, through incredible efforts and sacrifices, after 17 years to the 40 year of the year of the 13 imperial Russia, the country was on the verge of war, if not with the Anglo-French coalition, then with the countries of the central axis, for sure. Due to illiterate command and control of the Army and the repressions before the war, most of the 28 million people who died were in the first period of World War II, and this, not counting the deportees and deportees ... I will not dwell on a further excursion into the history of the country sold by its apologists for green candy wrappings overseas funds.
                    And I ask the question, why and who needed all this? If after 74 of the year we were back in ... well, in the same place, like the 17 and 21-23 years?
                    One thing is clear - the Communists took the empire that hundreds of generations of our ancestors created (by the way, 7522 is now coming from the Creation of the World) led by the tsars they hate (for minuscule people, put the full title of the Russian emperor and note what remains of this!) destroyed millions of RUSSIAN people, betrayed the allies, and now they again want power. For 20 years, former MEMBERS of the Communist Party - the current "slaves in the galleys" - shit-managers-managers led by Yeltsins, Medvedevs & K rob Russia and build developed capitalism in separate FAMILIES. Maybe enough of the 74-year “revolutionary” experiments on Russia and the 23-year “democratic” experiments on its peoples ?! I am sure of one thing - only the return of the AUTHORITY-MONARCHY-TESTED INSTITUTE TESTED FOR CENTURIES will save Russia!
                    1. vladkavkaz
                      vladkavkaz 1 February 2014 20: 11
                      +3
                      Apologet.Ru (
                      You should either grind on the now closed liberals channel, RAIN, nonsense, or at Firtash on his multifaceted television channel with Schuster kissing his gums.
                      1. Apologet.Ru
                        Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 20: 47
                        0
                        hi
                        vladkavkaz, and you on concrete examples, arguably, with numbers, prove your not ah ... an unfavorable point of view. Dare not fear! By the way, you will not be the case from the oral estate, political workers, or maybe there are such people in the family? And then there are many hereditary traits ... on the face ...
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                      1. Apologet.Ru
                        Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 20: 39
                        +2
                        hi
                        Dear Gennady1973! The Communists began to sell the country ... not at the end of the 80's, but in the 50 with the arrival, it would be mentioned by Khrushchov not by night ... When the technocrats were replaced by a quiet coup, marked by the assassination of Beria, came oral affairs the masters are the political democrats who brought up the killer of the Union, the damned forever and ever, “the best German of our time”, Judah Gorbachev. By the way, the system that existed on the territory of the USSR until the 1953 year was correctly (scientifically) called not socialism, but radical left-wing totalitarianism ...
                    4. rkkasa xnumx
                      rkkasa xnumx 1 February 2014 23: 43
                      -1
                      Quote: Apologet.Ru
                      And I ask the question, why and who needed all this? If after 74 of the year we were back in ... well, in the same place, like the 17 and 21-23 years?

                      Actually, it’s not there. For now, anyway. Today, Russia is much stronger and richer than pre-revolutionary Russia. And the Communists need to be thanked for this, this is their legacy.
                  2. ochakow703
                    ochakow703 2 February 2014 07: 16
                    -2
                    Here is the fun. It’s already 21st century, and we and you still live at the expense of their hands built. They themselves only learned to share and steal.
                2. vladkavkaz
                  vladkavkaz 1 February 2014 20: 09
                  +1
                  sergey261180 (1)
                  And unprofessional is simply illiterate BOLTUN.
                  That is, you are a semi-illiterate, unprofessional talker, discussing things in which you have very vague knowledge.
            2. Combitor
              Combitor 1 February 2014 23: 09
              +3
              Quote: sergey261180
              Of the other hoaxes, Kozma Prutkov, for example, is immediately remembered.

              Citing Prutkov as an example, you pointed your finger at the sky (if not to say a little differently). Kozma Prutkov is a collective character and everyone knows who wrote under this pseudonym. Moreover, even at one time his "lifetime" portrait was painted.
              <Kozma Petrovich Prutkov is a literary mask, under which poets Alexei Tolstoy (the largest contribution in quantitative terms), brothers Alexei, Vladimir appeared in the magazines Sovremennik, Iskra and others in the 50-60s of the XNUMXth century and Alexander Zhemchuzhnikovs (in fact - their collective pseudonym).> Wikipedia.
              But about your "professor" from all sciences, even "Wikipedia" does not know anything.
              At the request of "A.P. Stoleshnikov" she issued - <No matches found>.
              At the request of "Stoleshnikov A.P." - <To create a page “Stoleshnikov A.P.>.
              And I downloaded the "work" of Stoleshnikov's phantom "Rehabilitation Will Not", because I was extremely surprised and interested in the author's statement that "Even the uprising of Emelyan Pugachev was organized by Jews."
              I will definitely try to master this opus and, if a suitable topic for discussion appears on the pages of the site, return to it.
              And the signature "A.P. Stoleshnikov" under different "works" is about the same as in our time as a kid on the walls of houses and fences we wrote different "horror stories" and signed "Fantomas".
              But that was childhood, it is gone, and the film "Fantomas" looks like an old funny action movie comedy. "Professor Stoleshnikov," however, claims to be a serious author, whose "horror stories" are most likely read by today's youth and taken on faith. And people like you also create advertising for him. This is alarming.
              And if you want to refer to someone else next time, then choose someone real.
      2. multikagan21
        multikagan21 1 February 2014 23: 09
        +4
        Well, 30 is too much. But in Arkhangelsk and Murmansk, the interventionists frolic to fame. They seized a large amount of military equipment and weapons. As predators extracted and taken away the natural resources of Russia. They killed more than a million seals. They set up concentration camps for prisoners of war where the Russian soldier was starved and cold and shot in large quantities. All this is in open sources.
    2. wax
      wax 1 February 2014 19: 15
      +2
      sergey261180 (1), you are on the Dozhd TV channel.
    3. Charon
      Charon 1 February 2014 23: 23
      -5
      Actually 130 million. Do not underestimate the crimes of the Bolsheviks.
      1. ochakow703
        ochakow703 2 February 2014 07: 29
        +2
        Are you another victim, or just offended by God?
        1. Charon
          Charon 7 February 2014 23: 48
          0
          My friend, you are not all right with a sense of humor.
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  2. Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 10: 40
    -5
    hi
    The film "Mystery of the Century. Who Paid Lenin?" Very clearly demonstrates the answer to the question about the German financing of the Bolsheviks and the preparation of the October coup (revolution).
    Highly recommend!



    Well, and the conclusions, after reading and viewing - let everyone do it himself ....
    1. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 1 February 2014 11: 45
      +9
      Our academicians, though not all of the "political prostitutes" were looking for a German trace for a long time, then Luzhkov (the mayor of Moscow) allegedly found a Japanese trace. Neither one nor the other was confirmed, maybe the Papua tribe financed, hey, academicians from the "pp" can find. By and large, who organized the abdication of Nikolashka (slobber, popularly called Nikolai the Bloody - the voice of the people, the voice of God) Prince Lvov, Kornilov and the whole precursor component. Kornilov also allowed everything, all this is in the documents, it's just that the current government, or rather the Gaidar-Chubais-Kudrinsky henchmen, is unprofitable that the Soviet power has achieved, they destroyed everything, mired in corruption and carve-up, they see nothing but a green piece of paper, they need But to distract the attention of the layman before talking about Lenin, and he is great, look at yourself, stupid, mediocrity, thieves, drunkards, you can't even get the country out of the crisis, you fucking economists.
      1. captain
        captain 1 February 2014 12: 39
        -8
        And you will not say how Lenin came to Russia in 1917? How was he transported to Germany? And who transported? This salvation of Petrograd was very expensive for our country, one Civil War claimed so many lives. It was lost about 10mln. 500 thousand from all sides, about 2 mln. emigrated. By the way, it was not drunks who emigrated basically. Regarding Messrs. Chubais and Co., I agree with you, but they are precisely the product of Soviet power. Take Chubais, father, colonel political worker (representative of the CPSU in the army, taught Marxism-Leninism. Gaidar, son of the admiral kotr, by the way political worker. Medvedev, grandfather secretary of several district party committees, father professor, taught Marxism-Leninism. So the grandchildren and children of Leninists continued Lenin’s case. Japan without Lenin has achieved very impressive results.
        1. nnz226
          nnz226 1 February 2014 13: 52
          +8
          Sorry, but where does Lenin and the Bolsheviks ?! Did they start a civil war? They even on parole released generals from arrest, like Kornilov and others like him, and then they started the war ... Again, the initiators of the Civil War were not even monarchists, but supporters of the Provisional Government, that is, the same liberals, predecessors of the other "white-tape workers", consisting of Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, etc. Read the party composition of all kinds of "governments", "komuchas" and other committees that, like toadstools, arose on the territory of Russia in 1918. And how much blood they shed ... They that the Bolsheviks forced executions and torture? And the Bolsheviks declared the Red Terror after the assassination attempt on Lenin and in response to the White Terror. I think that the grounds and information about the white terror in the SNK was. Of course, the order on decossackization is not good, but its authors - Sverdlov und Trotsky - you yourself know: "whose will be"
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 19: 33
            -1
            hi
            Quote nnz226 (2)
            Sorry, and where does Lenin and the Bolsheviks ?! Have they started a civil war?

            It seems to me that before you think something thoughtfully, it’s not difficult to at least briefly familiarize yourself with the voiced question, for example, on the same Wikipedia -

            Among the most important causes of the Civil War in modern historiography, it is customary to single out the social, political and national-ethnic contradictions that persisted in Russia and after the February Revolution. First of all, by October 1917 of the year, such urgent questions as the question of the end of the war and the agrarian question remained unresolved.
            The proletarian revolution and the Civil War in Russia are intimately connected with each other. Lenin and other theorists of Bolshevism directly put an equal sign between them, viewing the revolution "as a break in the civil world." One of the theorists of Bolshevism, N. I. Bukharin, wrote in his work The Theory of the Proletarian Dictatorship: "The proletarian revolution, however, is the breakdown of the civil world - it is a civil war."
            They considered the civil war as a manifestation of the “acute”, “higher” phase of the modern class struggle — the struggle of the bourgeoisie and the international proletariat (which does not even have a fatherland): ... they reproach the Communists as if they want to abolish the fatherland and nationality. Workers do not have a fatherland. They cannot be taken away from what they do not have.
            - Manifesto of the Communist Party
            The provision on the transformation of interethnic war into an interclass (civil) war was one of the main ones in Bolshevik theory long before coming to power. The Bolsheviks were not only culturally and psychologically prepared, by virtue of the theoretical postulates of their teachings, to conduct a civil war, but even wished to bring its start closer by putting forward the slogan in 1914 “We will turn the imperialist war into a civil war!” for the sake of turning the world war into a world revolution. After the suppression of Kornilov’s speech, the course towards an “armed insurrection” and a “civil war” was finally approved.
            There is a direct correlation between the coming of the Bolsheviks to power and the Civil War in Russia. This was not hidden by one of the leaders of the October Revolution, L. D. Trotsky, when he said: "Soviet power is an organized civil war against the landlords, the bourgeoisie and the kulaks.". The historian Richard Pipes argued that it can be considered that the Bolsheviks came to power in order to unleash a civil war.
            In the period after the October Revolution before the start of the period of active hostilities in the Civil War (May 1918 of the year), the leadership of the Soviet state took a number of political steps, which some researchers attribute to the causes of the Civil War:
            the nationalization of the means of production, banks and large-scale real estate, and the solution of the agrarian question in accordance with the program of the Socialist Revolutionary Party, contrary to the interests of the landowners, which provoked resistance from the previously ruling classes who had lost property;
            dispersal of the Constituent Assembly;
            way out of the war by signing the devastating Brest peace with Germany;
            the activity of the Bolshevik food detachments and kombedov in the countryside, which led to a sharp aggravation of relations between Soviet power and the peasantry;
            The desire of the Bolsheviks by any means, primarily by force, to stay in power, establish the dictatorship of the party and build a new society, based on their theoretical principles, made a civil war inevitable.
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 20: 06
              +1
              We need the Russian people only as the dung of history. Russia is our enemy. It is inhabited by evil tailless monkeys, which for some reason are called people ... There is nothing more mediocre and hypocritical than a Russian peasant. We must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white blacks, to whom we will give such tyranny, which has never dreamed of the most terrible despots of the East. The only difference is that this tyranny will not be on the right, but on the left, not white, but red. In the literal sense of the word, red, for we will shed such streams of blood, before which all the human losses of capitalist wars will shudder and pale. The largest bankers in the world from overseas will work in closest contact with us. If we win the revolution, then we will crush Russia and strengthen the power of Zionism on its burial debris, become such a force before which the whole world will kneel. We will show you what real power is. By means of terror, bloodbaths, we will bring the Russian intelligentsia to complete dullness, to idiocy, to an animal state ... In the meantime, our young men in leather jackets - the sons of watchmakers from Odessa and Orsha, Gomel and Vinnitsa, know how to hate everything Russian! With what pleasure they physically destroy the Russian intelligentsia - officers, academicians, writers! ... "

              Attributed to L. D. Trotsky.
          2. captain
            captain 3 February 2014 23: 15
            0
            Do not be offended, but if Uritsky, Sverdlov, Trotsky did not start decossacking (and the Cossacks did not oppose the Bolsheviks, before the beginning of the repressions by the Bolsheviks), then the White Army, having about 5 thousand people speaking on its Ice campaign, would not have a damn thing. There is such a book "Strike of the Russian Gods", read those, it will be useful. There was such a red commander Mironov (at one time he commanded the 2nd Cavalry Army), so in 1918 he gave Lenin telegrams about the shootings on the Don and what they would lead to.
        2. Penzuck
          Penzuck 3 February 2014 08: 21
          0
          Japan, financed by the West, achieved impressive results of military construction before the 1905-1907 war, then until 1939 the year increased production due to Western infusions, and after the Second World War it was restored under the leadership of one Liberal Democratic Party, A PLANNED ECONOMY - this is not for you muhra muhra. The Japanese themselves recognized that the growth rate of the Soviet economy, 30% somewhere, is only a dream for Japan (the Japanese economy grew by 13% per year).
    2. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 1 February 2014 17: 06
      +3
      Apologet.Ru (2
      This you in Ukraine will succumb such bullshit?
      Dear, there are no historically reliable facts confirming this balcony.
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 19: 07
        -2
        hi
        Quote vladkavkaz
        Apologet.Ru (2
        This you in Ukraine will succumb such bullshit?
        Dear, there are no historically reliable facts confirming this balcony.

        Dear, bullshit, judging by your comments and bydlyatskom style of addressing strangers, you hawala and it is familiar to you. Not?
        Yes! But what about your eyesight and knowledge of the letters of the Russian language?
        Do you even know how to read?
        What about your hearing and eyesight?
        Have you even bothered to read the subtitles for the film?
        Who is the author, where was the film made, what documents and from which archives were shown, who commented on the submitted documents and shots from the film, who is the editor, who is the customer and on which channel the film was broadcast?
        And what does Ukraine have to do with it?
        Moreover, I wrote in a note to the film, for people who can think and analyze, “Well, let everyone draw their own conclusions, after being read and viewed ...”.
        You, in your opinion, do not belong to the indicated category, as you know how and want to listen and hear only yourself, a genius. Therefore, I ask you not to disturb me anymore with my comments addressed to me.
        And if it is itchy to debate on the facts presented in the film, then refer to the website of Natalia Alekseevna Narochnitskaya participating in the filming of this film - http://narochnitskaia.ru - and try to prove your innocence to her.
        Material from Wikipedia - Narochnitskaya, Natalia Alekseevna - Russian politician, historian and political scientist. Doctor of Historical Sciences. Specialist in the USA, Germany and general problems and trends in international relations. Senior Researcher, Institute of World Economy and International Relations, Russian Academy of Sciences. Member of the State Duma of the fourth convocation in 2003 — 2007. In 2009 — 2012, he was a member of the Commission on countering attempts to falsify history to the detriment of Russia's interests. ...
    3. wax
      wax 1 February 2014 19: 28
      0
      Edited films for proof are great. Therefore, the fifth column captured the cinema and television (about 80 percent of the information comes through sight), where the information is prepared in such a way that it can be perceived without any special mental effort. And the viewer is left to "clap their ears".
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 21: 08
        +2
        hi
        Dear Vaxa (1)! I read somewhere -
        One cannot primitively approach the history of the Russian world - the Tsarist Empire was bad, and the Soviet one was good. The king was D.urak, and the General Secretary was geniuses. It is important that after the betrayal of the Autocratic Russian Empire, its collapse and the fratricidal Civil War, by the efforts of millions of Russian people and their lives under the leadership of Imperial IV Stalin, the Russian Empire was restored under the status of the Soviet and won the Great War and ... was betrayed again! .
        A huge sub-Arctic Empire was betrayed, which lay on eleven time zones. A continental giant who tenaciously held in his mighty hands a sixth of the world, spreading his regiments and divisions in the hot Asian expanses, and in Europe, and in the taiga wilds. In this country, under the old, rusty, Party-Soviet shell, a new force was ripening. New Supercivilization. Then our country resembled a big house, where absolutely magical things were still in disorder, and only the iron will of an intelligent leader was needed to arrange them in a new order, in imperial harmony. We really looked like a treasury then, chock-full of not only oil, gas and other raw materials, but above all fabulous technologies that could be used. And also - armies of people who were able to move mountains and reach the stars. Who could handle the most daunting tasks. Under the usual Soviet shell, hidden from the eyes of their own citizens by an absurd and harmful secrecy, truly universal energies seethed, tens of thousands of talented engineers and scientists were tirelessly working, millions of perfectly trained workers with high qualifications were moving. Almost ready-made material for the greatest concerns and corporations of the world class, capable of giving the astonished world samples of unprecedented technology, for a technological breakthrough, before which the vaunted "Japanese miracle" would also fade. It was the army of the future, which could still be molded into thousands and thousands of smaller firms, producing myriads of useful things for ourselves. Back in 1989, we had everything for a breakthrough into a wonderful new world, and for this the Empire needed only the hand of a skilled organizer, a creator-sculptor, able to cut off excess parts from a block of beautiful marble and release magnificent forms. THERE WAS NEEDED A LEADER who could release all the strongest and healthiest, take possession of the obtained energy and direct it into the channel of creation. Indeed, militarily, the Empire was invincible, in many ways ahead of the West. But only until the satanic forces of decomposition and degeneration threw up their leaders - the blyudkov first Gorbachev, and then Yeltsin. Until we, the Russians, were stabbed in the back by our own, degenerated and degraded "ruling elite." Until this whole process of destruction of our Empire was supported from within, the insidious West did not spur on with its green candy wrappers. You and I must understand that we are already living during the Fourth World War. The third ended in December 1991, when the enemies of the people Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, with the approval of the Humpbacked Chatterbox, destroyed the Soviet Empire. And until these Traitors - Judas are planted by the hands of the Russian people on a stake in history, we are "doomed to tread on the same rake ..."
      2. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 21: 19
        +3
        hi
        I repeat, but once again I note that OUR history is not black and white and each of us has the right to know ALL aspects of those events. Here are just conclusions from them everyone should do for himself ...
  3. rolik2
    rolik2 1 February 2014 11: 28
    +6
    Guys can stop procrastinating the story?
    Yes, we had a revolution, the results we saw are bad, good, but this is history, we need to draw conclusions from it and honor it, and not pour mud on it.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 1 February 2014 11: 33
      -4
      The funny thing is that it repeats before our eyes and we can assume that it will be in the near future.
      1. smile
        smile 1 February 2014 15: 00
        +7
        sergey261180
        Firstly, nothing is being repeated now - you do not need to compare that orange scum (I mean its swampy version - created by the authors of the project specifically for Russia) with the Bolsheviks who pulled Russia out of the grave, albeit by the hair. The current ones want to drive us there.
        Secondly - we will not let anything happen again - we will suffocate .... no matter what the leadership of Russia, it rightly understands that the white bellies tearing to power are grave diggers of the country, and they have the willpower and much more numerous supporters to to prevent us from any maydaunov.
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 1 February 2014 15: 38
          +1
          Firstly, nothing is being repeated now - there is no need to compare that orange scum (I mean its marshy version - created by the authors of the project especially for Russia) with the Bolsheviks
          One to one!
          1. smile
            smile 1 February 2014 16: 27
            +3
            sergey261180
            You speak. that orange and swamp - one on one with the Bolsheviks? :))) Did I understand you correctly? :)))
            I would like to recall that the Bolsheviks came to power when Russia was agonized. They overthrew those who managed to ruin everything that is the attributes of the state, still preserved and somehow functioned with an insignificant nicholas - the army, the police, local and zemstvo self-government, financial and transport systems, the famine began in the country - they even introduced the surplus apportionment, which was introduced at the time of the king did not help.
            Now the situation is fundamentally different - Russia is gradually recovering, somehow, through the stump of a deck, but is recovering, the trend is obvious. and she cannot be overlooked.
            But the swamp shushara, like their peers in the hosts — the maydauns — simply can’t see anything — they weren’t taught this .... it’s strange that you don’t see it.

            Plus I put you ... I'm sorry, I was wrong. :)))
            1. sergey261180
              sergey261180 1 February 2014 16: 58
              -6
              I would like to remind you that the Bolsheviks came to power when Russia agonized
              Come on! Losses of Russia in World War 1 1,7 million people. Nothing compared to the Second World War. If not for this Caudle, even without attacking, one could wait for the surrender of Germany. But this was not necessary for the Anglo-American owners of the Bronstein-Tyagnibokov.
              Plus I put you ... I'm sorry, I was wrong. :)))
              It is better to aim or have a bite.
              1. smile
                smile 1 February 2014 17: 54
                +5
                sergey261180
                About the losses.
                Nobody in the 1st MV did not behave with the population of the occupied countries like the Germans and their allies in the 2nd MV. This time.
                The losses inflicted by the Russian troops in the 1MV were also much smaller than in the 2MV. Moreover, if in 1MB we had a significant quantitative advantage over the Germans and allies, then in 2 MV there was no such advantage. On the contrary, if we count all the troops involved against us, then we will come to parity. Best case scenario. We reduced the battle losses to about one to one. And if we were to treat all Germans as they did to us, then the Germans would not be. Generally. Just like the Finns with the Hungarians.
                I would also like to remind you, otherwise you are probably. forgotten - in WW2 the first half we almost alone confronted the most powerful coalition of countries — even more powerful than the one that the Entente fought in 1 MV. And then, all the same, the main burden of the war was borne by our allies. Can’t you tell the difference? :)))
                And yet, the bad Bolsheviks were able to provide their army with first-class weapons. And this is after total devastation. Nikolash brought it to that. that we didn’t let out almost a third of the nomenclature of the main weapons and military equipment. Generally. To prompt. What didn’t we do? We ruffled even bought rifles around the world - from Japan to Mexico. In service were 6-7 systems, each with its own caliber. We did not have, as a class, the main instrument at that time for hacking defensive lines — an instrument for gaining victory — heavy artillery. And we practically did not produce it. There were only a few hundred hull trunks. Mostly French-made. And the Germans had thousands of them. What can I say - nikolashka was not even able to arrange the supply of troops with shells for the regiments, when they began to produce in the proper quantity, which caused the shell hunger to continue.
                But the bad Bolsheviks actually saved not only the entire population of our country - they saved the Planet from the brown plague. Wow, the enemy spies, if they don’t ay-ay-ay ... :)))
                I leave the attack on snack for now without consequences and I will not tear you for it. But I recommend not to abuse my kindness - and it will be insulting and unpleasant for me - I do not like to make a fuss. :)))
                1. sergey261180
                  sergey261180 1 February 2014 18: 21
                  -6
                  The losses inflicted by the Russian troops in the 1MV were also much smaller than in the 2MV. Moreover, if in 1MB we had a significant quantitative advantage over the Germans and allies, then in 2 MV there was no such advantage.
                  Well, they themselves said that there was no agony. hi
                  1. smile
                    smile 1 February 2014 19: 51
                    +4
                    sergey261180
                    Are you not able to understand what I had in mind? :))) You do not know that after the actual destruction of the army, as an organized force, after the order of the Provisional Government No. 1, when the election of the commander could be carried out every day, choosing, for example, the commander of a sledding battery, or daily the whole team will decide whether today battery shoot, the army did not actually resist the Germans. bumping into races where the Germans pressed? It was not just agony - it was a polar fox. Full. :)))
                    1. Aleksandr2
                      Aleksandr2 3 February 2014 13: 13
                      0
                      How did you come to the conclusion that the Bolsheviks are the salvation of the Russian people?
                      1. sergey261180
                        sergey261180 3 February 2014 20: 46
                        0
                        He confuses the history of the USSR before and after Stalin, and these are two different stories.
                2. captain
                  captain 3 February 2014 23: 05
                  0
                  Well then, the American Rothschilds need monuments of gold on every corner. I went to school and a history teacher explained to us how much the Bolsheviks did for the people and what successes we achieved .. and Sasha Trembovelsky asked him a question; But in the United States the same Bolsheviks in power? and then our teacher cried out to the boy that he was an American spy. Of course, I understand that thanks to the CPSU we have such vast territories, tell me who was the Secretary General under Ivan the Terrible? ..... By the way, who was the CPSU Secretary General when we drove Napoleon and came to Paris? And who was Suvorov’s political officer? What are you carrying a quinoa? What does the CPSU, VKP (b), the Liberal Democratic Party? etc. At any historical moment there are people (groups of people) who can organize people for a feat.
              2. wax
                wax 1 February 2014 19: 45
                +4
                Losses of Russia in the 1st World War
                http://d-prospero.livejournal.com/60466.html
                In total, during the years of the war, Russia called up 15,5 million people into the armed forces. of them, one in ten died at the front, or died in the rear in a hospital. The number of dead and wounded amounted to approximately 8 million people, or 52% of the total number of all mobilized.

                As for "waiting for the surrender of Germany," you are famously "writing history" for Russia.
              3. akreworpa
                akreworpa 2 February 2014 13: 04
                0
                It seems to me that you are a complete m. So do not know the history of your State. or is Russia not your state?
            2. vladkavkaz
              vladkavkaz 1 February 2014 17: 09
              +4
              smile (2)
              An excellent answer, an earring, born in 80, does not read anything except nonsense, and if he read anything, he perceives it through the curved lens of our white ribbon anchovies. One link to "Stoleshnikov" is worth it ..
              1. sergey261180
                sergey261180 1 February 2014 17: 17
                -2
                Can you throw a reference to the true light to broaden your horizons?
            3. Aleksandr2
              Aleksandr2 3 February 2014 13: 11
              +1
              The Bolsheviks are the evil of our people
  4. morpex
    morpex 1 February 2014 11: 45
    +2
    Lenin ahead of the Germans capture of Petrograd? An unexpected look at history ...
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 1 February 2014 12: 46
      +6
      Quote: morpex
      Lenin ahead of the Germans capture of Petrograd? An unexpected look at history

      Well, why, dear colleague Valery. In Soviet times, this was written in a school textbook on the history of the USSR. It was written there that Kerensky planned to surrender Petrograd to the Germans in order to prevent the Bolsheviks from coming to power.
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 1 February 2014 21: 01
        -1
        And the Russian princes in the 12th century "surrendered" Russia to the Mongol-Tatars in order to prevent the penetration of catalyticism into the Orthodox lands ...
    2. nnz226
      nnz226 1 February 2014 13: 56
      +6
      See V. Pikul "Moonzund" or all about this battle in September 1917. Just after the Kornilovs surrendered Riga, the Germans rushed to Petrograd by sea ... By the way, if the Kornilovs did not surrender Riga and if it were not under the Germans in October 1917, no one would even suspect about some kind of "independent" Latvia ! Yes, and about the "Bolshevik occupation" of a certain Latvia would not have heard of!
    3. wax
      wax 1 February 2014 19: 56
      +1
      An unexpected look at history ...

      However, absolutely accurate.
      Mayakovsky: ... from the mouth of Kerensky: "Lenin? Bolsheviks? Arrest and fish out! What? Don't give? I can't hear without glasses."
      "... walks, is not identified by anyone. Today, he says, it is too early to get up. And the day after tomorrow it is too late."
  5. captain
    captain 1 February 2014 12: 43
    -14%
    Lenin and Trotsky staged a civil war in Russia and distributed many lands of our state. He expelled a large number of scientists from Russia, destroyed the Cossacks, and laid down future conflicts in the organization of autonomies.
    1. smile
      smile 1 February 2014 15: 24
      +12
      captain
      You know, I’m a very cheerful person ... :))) therefore, I never get tired of wondering ... :))) So I’m surprised ... how much ... your views and knowledge of your story are poor ... :)) ) And you podizh, met in two lines ... :)))
      The civil war was launched by the opponents of the Bolsheviks - a variety of white knights who were on the support of the Entente. These many of your lands — the Baltic states and Finland — were torn away from Russia after the local Bolshevik supporters were totally destroyed there, fighting to the death for leaving this land within Russia ... for example, the Finnish Red Army was equal to the army of nationalists and totaled 100 thousand bayonets (in the spring of 18, all the armed forces of the Bolsheviks in Russia amounted to about 120 thousand bayonets and sabers). And ktozh. asks. helped nationalists tear away Russian land? Yudenich and Bulak Bulakhovich (take a look at the biography of this white knight - laugh). Who hit us in the back when the Poles invaded us? Wrangel, which was fully supported by the Entente and was under its control. All Western Ukraine and Belarus are his merit. The Bolsheviks simply did not have the strength to defend everything.
      The Cossacks shared in half, like the rest of Russia. and joyfully grabbed each other's throats. Recall that Krasnov cultivated the thought of his Cossacks that they were not Russian? Recall to whom this gnnnida, together with the most consistent supporters, served during the Second World War? Remind whom Pannwitz commanded? :)))
      And now you pour tears about tilligenia? Even knowing how unprecedented, unparalleled in the history of the Planet, a jump in the development of the country and the people, the Bolsheviks laid in the development of science? What, I really like the crunch of French rolls, Mr. Captain. that you are ready to become an adversary of those who are not sparing either their own. no foreign blood pulled the country out of the bloody hell into which the white knights and their masters plunged Russia? :))) Maybe you should eat something else ... in terms of information? :)))
      1. igordok
        igordok 1 February 2014 16: 18
        +2
        Quote: smile
        Bulak Bulakhovich (take a look at the biography of this white knight - laugh)

        What the hell of a laugh. According to the elderly, the Germans in Pskov in 1941 were angels in comparison with Bulak Bulakhovich. Maybe you have a laugh that B B was royal, red, white, Estonian and finally Polish commanders.
        About the betrayal.
        Due to the fact that the 1th Estonian Communist Regiment switched to the side of the Estonian army in the 1919 year, Pskov was taken.
        1. smile
          smile 1 February 2014 16: 36
          +2
          igordok
          The humor in me was caused by the fact that some here on the site, who strongly dislike Jews, are used to poking the Bolsheviks with the fact that there were many Jews in the leadership. So, the bloody ghoul Bulak Bulakhovich, who received the nobility due to his adoption by a certain mountain eagle, is a purebred Jew. :))
          And the fact that the units and even formations of both sides, including national units, individual commanders, and even more so ordinary soldiers at that time, went over to the side of their enemies, you did not surprise me - then it often happened, it’s still the Civil War . For instance. The Izhevsk division, which fought in Kolchak’s army, was originally exclusively staffed with workers. The connection was very reliable. So what?
          1. igordok
            igordok 1 February 2014 18: 10
            +2
            Quote: smile
            those days went over to the side of their enemies, you did not surprise me ... So what?

            I didn't mean to surprise you. It's just that I am accustomed to the concept of "betrayal", still not accustomed, numerous cases of transition to the camp of the "enemy" during the Civil War. Sometimes several times. This is also one of the nightmares of the Civil War.
            1. smile
              smile 1 February 2014 20: 11
              +1
              igordok
              I agree .... the mechanism of such throwing was most reliably described by Sholokhov in "Quiet Don".
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      3. Aleksandr2
        Aleksandr2 3 February 2014 13: 16
        0
        The civil war was launched by the opponents of the Bolsheviks - a variety of white knights who were on the support of the Entente.

        But Lenin passed by so and decided to save Russia, yes.
      4. captain
        captain 3 February 2014 23: 25
        0
        Have you tried, besides the short course of the CPSU (B), what else to read? Kornilov began his flight from Rostov with a detachment of about 5 thousand people. He was not supported by the Cossacks and asked to get out. But comrades Trotsky and Uritsky (as I understand your idols), staged raskachivanie with executions. Mironov (the future commander of the 2 Horse Army) gave Lenin a telegram asking him to urgently stop this massacre and warned that this could lead to the Civil War. But true Zionist Communists massacred in Russia. By the way, there were no Bolsheviks in the USA and Japan.
    2. wax
      wax 1 February 2014 19: 59
      0
      Well, here are some captains who survived.
  6. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 1 February 2014 15: 36
    +1
    So, an interesting pattern is revealed: the one who gave money, in nine cases out of ten, not only did not receive any benefit from it, but acquired serious chores on his ridge!
    The Irish revolutionaries, who fought for the independence of Ireland from the British, at the beginning of the twentieth century existed at the full board of Germany (not out of sympathy for the Kaiser, but because money for the revolution is much easier to extort from someone who is the main competitor of the force against which you are fighting). The Germans swelled a lot of money and weapons, passing both of them to gentlemen like de Valera. A strategic result? Some of the Irish revolutionaries, the British managed to catch and hang, but the rest nevertheless created an independent Irish republic and occupied good posts in it. Nobody recalls the unkind word of the founding fathers of the republic for tricks with the Germans, on the contrary, they erected monuments and regularly lay flowers at their feet. As for the Germans - they, by and large, didn’t get much money from their considerable money swatted by the Irish Revolution, either on the Pfennig - neither in the First World War, nor in the Second ... One wonders who used whom?
    A similar picture is in Poland. Jozef Pilsudski, future marshal, created his legions with serious German, Austrian and even Japanese financial assistance. However, none of the designated nations benefited from such investments. Pilsudsky, as far as he could, kept his legions from conducting military operations on the side of Germany - for which the Germans finally figured out that they were being fooled, put him in prison in Marienburg. But then there was a revolution in Germany. Well-armed and equipped legions surrounded and disarmed German units overnight, seized all military equipment up to the last field kitchen, and ordered “Nakh Vaterland” to be removed quickly. Pilsudski received an independent Polish state, and the Germans, along with other partners in investing in Pilsudski, got a shish with oil. Do the experiment if you’re not afraid to get it on the neck. Go to Poland, go to a crowded place to one of the Pilsudski monuments and start yelling that Pilsudski is a traitor and a German spy. If you are curious how it will be in Polish, please: “Marshalek Pilsudski is a hello and German shpig!” But I warn you in a friendly way: don’t get carried away, you will shout once and feet in your hands, otherwise it’s so tingling ...
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 1 February 2014 15: 39
      +3
      The Germans transferred a lot of military equipment and money to General Franco, helped by troops. And it all ended with the fact that Franco, having come to power, calmly strengthened the state, and without thinking to get involved in Teutonic adventures, no matter how he was inclined to this. He got off sending one single division to the Eastern Front - and successfully survived Hitler for almost forty years, while remaining in power. And what did the Germans get by investing money in the Indian Subha Chandra Bose, in the Afghan tribal leaders and in the Arab sheikhs? All the same fig with butter.
      It seems that the Germans used as a cash cow all who are not lazy. Anyone who wanted somewhere to arrange a revolution, to overthrow the colonialists, to come to power, without really thinking, took a rather big empty bag under his arm and said to his comrades-in-arms:
      - Let's go to the Germans. These will give ...
      And they did, sausages! To each and everyone, right and left. And the benefits from this monstrous in terms of scale money transfer did not get a penny. By and large, Lenin did brilliantly with the Germans. Kinulikh is most grandiose. No matter how many Bolsheviks sent “eggs, milk, fat” to Germany across the Brest Peace, no matter how much money was sent, this was nothing more than a tactical concession, losing a pawn for the queen. Because in the very near future, in Germany, under the thoughtful Bolshevik leadership, a revolution broke out. And the fact that the Bolsheviks finally lost it is nothing more than a historical accident. You could have won. Seriously, they could. So it turns out that Lenin and the company were neither “spies”, nor “agents”. They simply bought a good sharp cleaver with German money, which a little later they gasped at the very same Germany itself - as they say in the police reports, with a deliberate intention ...
      http://modernlib.ru/books/burovskiy_andrey_mihaylovich_bushkov_aleksandr_aleksan
      drovich / stalin_krasniy_monarh / read /
      1. wax
        wax 1 February 2014 20: 08
        +1
        Well, when does it end about Lenin, who made the revolution with German money. After all, no one has been serious about this for a long time. But the crowd will repeat, repeat and repeat until it becomes an axiom for the same crowd. Yes, certainly Darwin came from a monkey, and the rest are not. And about the cooks too.
    2. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 1 February 2014 15: 39
      +1
      The Germans transferred a lot of military equipment and money to General Franco, helped by troops. And it all ended with the fact that Franco, having come to power, calmly strengthened the state, and without thinking to get involved in Teutonic adventures, no matter how he was inclined to this. He got off sending one single division to the Eastern Front - and successfully survived Hitler for almost forty years, while remaining in power. And what did the Germans get by investing money in the Indian Subha Chandra Bose, in the Afghan tribal leaders and in the Arab sheikhs? All the same fig with butter.
      It seems that the Germans used as a cash cow all who are not lazy. Anyone who wanted somewhere to arrange a revolution, to overthrow the colonialists, to come to power, without really thinking, took a rather big empty bag under his arm and said to his comrades-in-arms:
      - Let's go to the Germans. These will give ...
      And they did, sausages! To each and everyone, right and left. And the benefits from this monstrous in terms of scale money transfer did not get a penny. By and large, Lenin did brilliantly with the Germans. Kinulikh is most grandiose. No matter how many Bolsheviks sent “eggs, milk, fat” to Germany across the Brest Peace, no matter how much money was sent, this was nothing more than a tactical concession, losing a pawn for the queen. Because in the very near future, in Germany, under the thoughtful Bolshevik leadership, a revolution broke out. And the fact that the Bolsheviks finally lost it is nothing more than a historical accident. You could have won. Seriously, they could. So it turns out that Lenin and the company were neither “spies”, nor “agents”. They simply bought a good sharp cleaver with German money, which a little later they gasped at the very same Germany itself - as they say in the police reports, with a deliberate intention ...
      http://modernlib.ru/books/burovskiy_andrey_mihaylovich_bushkov_aleksandr_aleksan
      drovich / stalin_krasniy_monarh / read /
      1. parus2nik
        parus2nik 1 February 2014 21: 17
        +1
        "Eggs, milky, fat" .. they drove to the whole in Germany, at first the Central Rada-participant in the negotiations in Brest-Litovsk and after its abolition, by the hetman P.P. Skoropadsky .. the sovereign hetman continued to fulfill obligations ..
  7. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 1 February 2014 19: 50
    +2
    “A special place in Maugham’s plans was occupied by“ Section No. 3, ”designed to fight the Bolsheviks through the Mensheviks. The English intelligence officer wrote to London:

    “Department No. 3 will have to support the moderate socialist party known as the Mensheviks. This party is opposed to the Bolsheviks, or extremists, and advocates a reorganization of the army and vigorous warfare. However, it is absolutely liberal and even socialist in nature. But she stands out for her anti-Prussianism. This department will publish a front-line newspaper for distribution among the soldiers in order to counter the very dangerous newspaper of the Bolsheviks, which they now publish there. "
    Here's what the Anglo-Saxons need: Russians and Germans must destroy each other. And they will collect all the laurels. There are a lot of examples of history (including an article on the church (the ink)). The British - boils on the body of the earth, which are very painful to remove.
    1. igordok
      igordok 1 February 2014 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: Valentine77 64
      The British - boils on the body of the earth, which are very painful to remove.

      I offer chemotherapy or radiotherapy.
  8. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 1 February 2014 19: 53
    +6
    And stop stirring up the memory of Lenin. Whoever he is, but oh great man. Without it, many of us would bow to the degenerate Romanov family or pick their hands for the good of the Anglo-Saxons.
  9. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 1 February 2014 20: 13
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    Quote: igordok
    I offer chemotherapy or radiotherapy

    Full castration and translation of all freaks in gays
  10. bublic82009
    bublic82009 1 February 2014 20: 14
    0
    unexpected information. no one has ever told such a thing
  11. parus2nik
    parus2nik 1 February 2014 21: 06
    +1
    By the way: in the days of the February Revolution, the Baltic Fleet lost 140 officers and admirals killed, in the days of the February Revolution, Nicholas II still did not abdicate, Order No. 1 was adopted, the Menshevik Petrosovet, with the adoption of Order No. 1 in the army, the fundamental principle for any army was violated unity of command, as a result, there was a sharp decline in discipline and fighting efficiency of the Russian army, which ultimately contributed to its collapse. And the order was edited by Secretary of the Executive Committee of Petrosovet N. D. Sokolov, friend of Kerensky and Chkheidze, according to the memoirs of the last Minister of War of the Provisional Government A. Verkhovsky, "The order came out in nine million copies." And in August 1, General Kornilov surrendered Riga to the Germans, having accurate information about the preparation of the German offensive, did nothing to defend Riga. "Not one step back!" - wrote “Okopnaya Pravda”, a Bolshevik newspaper, “We are confident that our XII army will be at a brilliant height, defending its positions and the city of Riga. Not a single soldier under the onslaught of even a superior enemy will not flinch at his post. Not one regiment will retreat without order ... It is necessary to save the revolution, it is necessary to prevent the rout of revolutionary forces from the outside and from the inside. It is necessary to rally around revolutionary organizations, around the revolutionary party of the proletariat. ”The stubborn resistance of the revolutionary regiments saved the XII Army from defeat and destruction. The correct article ...
  12. dmb
    dmb 1 February 2014 21: 56
    +2
    Gentlemen, foaming at the mouth, proving that the Bolsheviks "perpetrated the Revolution in order to eradicate the Orthodox people," I strongly recommend to learn from the author of the argumentation of the confirmation of the material presented. Try also to reasonably refute what has been said, without referring to the unlucky gynecologists and "scientific ladies" who have not recently conducted historical analysis, but broadcast like from the pulpit, without bothering themselves with the evidence of what was said.
  13. siberalt
    siberalt 2 February 2014 01: 55
    +2
    [quote = Charon] Actually 130 million. Do not underestimate the crimes of the Bolsheviks.


    Do you say crimes? Show the court decision.