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Central Asia 2013 - Waiting for Collapse

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Central Asia 2013 - Waiting for Collapse2013 year Central Asia and Kazakhstan held in anticipation of a collapse: along the entire perimeter of the region, conflicts between elites continually broke into the information field, the two weakest republics out of the five represented periodically “raged” by rallies and presidential elections. The last chords of last year’s standoff in the south of the republic “spilled out” even the next year, 2014 - last week, January 15, the mayoral election of the strategically and critically important city in Kyrgyzstan - Osh, where the presidential power won a short-term tactical victory. The country again literally miraculously escaped another confrontation. However, this word is a “miracle,” perhaps under current conditions it can be applied to the whole of Central Asia. The observers of the REGNUM Eastern Bureau, having waited for the logical conclusion of the main Kyrgyz intrigue 2013 of the year, prepared a brief analysis of the past 12 months in the top five Central Asian republics.


Relations with China: Celestial vault

Against the background of the dynamic development of integration initiatives and not too obvious, but still the triumph (according to some analysts) of Russian diplomacy in the Middle East - an important circumstance that laid a fairly significant conflict potential in relations between Russia and states in the east was completely lost sight of.

At the very beginning of September, without special pomp and scope in the four republics of the region (the only exception was Tajikistan), President Xi Jinping visited China. The leader of the Chinese Communist Party visited the “western frontier” of the Middle Empire in a new capacity for the first time, moreover, very large attention was paid to Kazakhstan and Central Asia in the context of the Chinese political tradition. And there is no need to even enumerate: it is enough that the region has become the third territory where Xi Jinping arrived in a new capacity. This fact alone can be considered a significant confirmation of all the most important foreign policy equivalents of Beijing towards the five former Soviet republics.

The first state where "Comrade C" arrived was expectedly Turkmenistan. Although it looks rather strange, diplomatic etiquette was not violated a millimeter: the Chinese leader already met with the heads of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan in a new capacity in a bilateral format, therefore no blow was applied to the vanities and ambitions of the two most jealous leaders from Tashkent and Astana . And by itself, this moment is so surprising that the beginning of the Central Asian tour, laid in Ashgabat, was taken by all as something for granted. However, the visit was quite floridly arranged: the heads of state officially improved relations between the countries before the strategic partnership, signed 13 interstate agreements and agreed to establish cooperation between Beijing and Ashgabat mainly in the energy sector.

The trip to Kazakhstan looked even more interesting, where the Chinese leader emphasized the status of the host country by first announcing the principles of Chinese politics in Central Asia in his speech in Astana. The diplomatic move was a success: in the course of subsequent negotiations, Xi Jinping signed 22 agreements totaling 30 billion dollars, which puts Kazakhstan, which is already the main consumer of Chinese credit resources in the region, in a very peculiar position amid integration projects with Russia . However, one of the agreements signed between Kazakhstan and China was an agreement on the joint use and exploration of outer space for peaceful purposes. The paper has not yet received development, but we can already assume that the joint initiative of Astana and Beijing will somehow relate to the presence of the Middle Kingdom at Baikonur.

From Astana, the chairman of the PRC arrived in Tashkent on an official visit, where he continued to work with Islam Karimov (the parties have already met and even signed a considerable number of documents in a bilateral format). Despite the fact that a considerable number of signed agreements already exist between China and Uzbekistan, Xi Jinping, nevertheless, did not stop at what had been achieved and signed another 31 agreement totaling 15 billions of dollars. These projects concern cooperation in the energy sector and the creation of a number of new production facilities in Uzbekistan. The parties also agreed on infrastructure projects - the construction of strategically important roads for China and railway lines.

At the very end of his tour, Comrade Sy arrived in Bishkek, where he immediately signed the necessary documents to improve the status of relations with Kyrgyzstan before strategic partnership. Here, the Chinese leader has signed just nine documents totaling a billion dollars worth of 3. Most of the signed papers relate to the credit lines of Kyrgyzstan, but there is one important nuance: the Celestial Empire is quite ready to invest money in infrastructure facilities - mainly in the roads, which sets a completely unambiguous trade orientation of Chinese policy in the republic.

In general, if we analyze Xi Jinping's tour of Kazakhstan and Central Asia, one important point should be noted: the Chinese Foreign Ministry "worked out" all directions with a huge efficiency index. The fact is that ten years ago it was impossible to imagine a situation in which the Celestial could at least lay claim to competition with Russia in Central Asia and even more so in Kazakhstan. Now, fundamental changes have occurred - China is already creating its strategic projects in Central Asia and is ready to work with security issues. Moreover, the use of the Celestial Empire will be such a clumsy and amorphous at first glance tool like the SCO, which, as it turned out, is able to pay dividends to Beijing. And these dividends are quite tangible: what is worth only one conflict-free entry into the territory, which Russia considered only recently "controlled territory".

Elites: the conclusion of the struggle under the carpet

Another significant trend of 2013 of the year in Kazakhstan and Central Asia is conflicts between representatives of the ruling elite along the entire perimeter of the region. If you keep in mind that the interethnic massacre in Osh 2010 (Kyrgyzstan), the bloody confrontation of oil and law enforcement forces in Zhanaozen in 2011 (Kazakhstan) and the military operation in Khorog in 2012 (GBAO, Tajikistan) stemmed from the opposition of the elites, no no wonder that any aggravation in the territory of Central Asia attracted increased attention. Yes, and the reasons for concern were serious.

6 November last year Tajikistan went through a presidential election. In spite of the fact that as many as five people were represented during the voting of the alternatives, a nationwide vote could be safely considered an outstanding victory for the current presidential administration. The main intrigue of the elections is the absence of any intelligible representative of the opposition in the list of opponents to the current President Emomali Rahmon. For a short period, the current opponents of the government actually abandoned the political struggle, and as a result, the face of the current Muslim opposition became a woman, for traditional Tajikistan, the figure is obviously impassable.

But more important here is not the final part of the political game, but the immanent hidden opposition during the previous year and a half. During the 2012-2013 period in Tajikistan, a host of events took place, which was strange and in some places inexplicable. 14 June 2012 of the year Tajikistan shakes news: The son-in-law of President Emomali Rakhmon Holmumin Safarov was killed. At the time of death, the presidential relative heads the forestry and hunting department of the government environmental committee. Moreover, it seems that there are no options - the killer literally shoots the husband of the sister of the head of state with a Makarov pistol. Experts speak about the first signs of political instability in the country. The investigation is extremely fast: six months later, in January 2013, the court will already pass a sentence on 46-year-old farmer Dilovasho Kasymov, who is recognized as the main perpetrator of this crime. Behind the brackets of the process will remain the most important thing: the motives of the convict — for what reason the son-in-law of the head of state was killed, remains unclear to this day.

However, Tajikistan relatively briefly discussed the murder of a close relative of Emomali Rahmon. In August, 2012 of the year in Tajikistan began the largest confrontation of elites in recent years: the reason for the massive military campaign in GBAO was the unexplained killing of the General Directorate of the SCNS in GBAO Abdullo Nazarov. A tough response is a full-fledged military operation to clean up the local elite, consisting entirely of field commanders during the civil war in Tajikistan. According to the results of the campaign, analysts put forward two interesting theses: one of them is expected to link the incident with the upcoming presidential elections. The second point is even more amusing: allegedly about China’s informal assistance, without which government troops could not make a quick march to the rebellious region. Both versions "hang" in the air: no one, of course, went into details in Tajikistan.

All subsequent events in the internal politics of Tajikistan can be denoted by large strokes: it is obvious that the main, critical mass of "fights" inside the elite occurred in 2012 year - the Tajik government gently "cleaned" the less dangerous legal field for the rest of 2013.

At the end of 2013, the information field literally broke through the turmoil in the main family of Uzbekistan. It is not clear where the sources in the capital of the republic, who came from, naturally relished the details of the quarrel between the country's president Islam Karimov and his eldest daughter Gulnara, and the latter commented literally on-line, continually posting full drama of the message on Twitter microblogging. According to the logic of the story, it turns out that the details of the conflict, first of all, the eldest daughter of President Gulnara and the head of the National Security Service, Rustam Inoyatov, became the property of the public. It was according to the results of this confrontation, they say, the head of state Islam Karimov ordered to destroy his daughter's business empire, and, according to the same sources, she was severely beaten. However, the very first thoughtful reading of the materials of this information campaign makes one doubt the reality of what is happening - there are a lot of questions to all actors of the comedy, and indeed it is rather strange to read about the scandal inside one of the most closed families in the entire former USSR almost from the front pages of yellow newspapers. However, this историяit seems that it will be developed this year - and it is possible to judge its real condition only from the results of an analysis of an array of information, and not at all from those bits that were published at the end of last year.

Kyrgyzstan among the states of Central Asia in the past year showed, perhaps, the worst controllability of the processes taking place - periodically the country was “blown up” by rallies and even attempts to block roads. At the same time, 2013 was probably one of the most positive years over the past few years: the withdrawal of the US military began from the territory of the Manas airport, and the republic’s internal policy seemed to stop boiling (in fact, a number of processes were simply pushed out of the official information field) . But the opposition of elites did break through - and not somewhere, but in the heart of the conflict region, the southern capital of Kyrgyzstan, the city of Osh. In fact, there was a rather long intrigue of official Bishkek, who tried to bring the traditional North-South confrontation into the legal field. The intrigue, by the way, unfolded over time. The fact is that the only official after the second coup in 2010 that managed to stay in his chair was Melis Myrzakmatov, the mayor of Osh. He is a protege of the previous president, Kurmanbek Bakiyev. In a short time, he managed to become the largest regional politician who did not actually submit to the central government in Bishkek. The intrigue began to unwind in early December 2013, when Kyrgyz Prime Minister Jantoro Satybaldiev fired the mayor. Officially, due to a change in the status of the city, the relevant law was signed by President Almazbek Atambayev. In accordance with the new legislation, the new mayor should have been elected by deputies of the city council a month after the change of status. 15 January 2014 - the pro-government candidate Aytmamat Kadyrbaev became the mayor of the city of Osh. By the way, on election day, about five thousand supporters of the previous mayor gathered in Osh Square. Skirmishes with law enforcement forces were recorded, but the situation was defused by the former Osh mayor, Melis Myrzakmatov, who arrived at the square. He announced that the political struggle will continue in the spring. The leader of the south declared the capital of Kyrgyzstan, the city of Bishkek, to be the target of political claims.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 23 January 2014 10: 58
    +1
    The soft power of China in action !!! With a quiet glanders, China makes these republics dependent on itself !!!!
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 15: 45
      +4
      Quote: AVV
      The soft power of China in action !!! With a quiet glanders, China makes these republics dependent on itself !!!!


      And couch experts are shouting about banning visas ... But no one thinks about the consequences of such a very unfriendly move. But then the same Central Asians will have nowhere to go except to submit to the expansion of the PRC in the region, OUR region.
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 23 January 2014 15: 59
        +5
        Of course it is, but migrant workers from Central Asia will definitely not go to China. And before surrendering to China, the Central Asian leaders should remember that China considers its very substantial part of their territory. Tajikistan, which has already lost part of its land, is a vivid example of this.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 16: 06
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          Quote: Arhj
          Of course it is, but migrant workers from Central Asia will definitely not go to China


          No, they will not, but they will work in their countries at Chinese enterprises for beggarly salaries or sell their resources for nothing, for example, uranium is all the same to China. In short, a region can be lost in two if it is deprived of its economic dependence on the Russian Federation.
          But as for migrants, the problem most likely lies with the self-serving employees of the FMS who allow so many illegal immigrants ... Let them work, but they do it in accordance with the laws of the Russian Federation.
        2. Civil
          Civil 23 January 2014 16: 58
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          Quote: Arhj
          Of course it is, but migrant workers from Central Asia will definitely not go to China. And before surrendering to China, the Central Asian leaders should remember that China considers its very substantial part of their territory. Tajikistan, which has already lost part of its land, is a vivid example of this.

          Their Chinese in the stoves of the engine will be sent to China.
      2. zart_arn
        zart_arn 23 January 2014 16: 03
        +8
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        And couch experts are shouting about banning visas ... But no one thinks about the consequences of such a very unfriendly move. But then the same Central Asians will have nowhere to go except to submit to the expansion of the PRC in the region, OUR region.
        It is not clear what you wanted to say. Either about the openness of borders and the lack of entry visas into the territory of Russia, or about the restriction of the entry of Gaster to us. If you offer the openness of our borders in exchange for the loyalty of the Asian princes, then everything is clear with you - you are defending the interests of the Russian ochlocracy (cheap labor for it). This will cause even greater growth of xenophobia in our country, so your proposal does not roll.
        Asian princes are not fools and understand what fraught for them wide Chinese expansion. I think that it is not worthwhile to boil strongly about Chinese investments in Turkestan, but you need to keep abreast.
      3. striker
        striker 23 January 2014 16: 17
        +5
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        OUR region.

        OUR region? Are you asian ??

        OUR REGION is Kiev - Mother of Russian citieswhich the current Russian government stupidly fell to Bender from Galicia, when, having acquired billions from Central Asia by the billions, it issued Russian citizenship to foreigners for six months, while immigrants (OWN! Russians!) from Little Russia could not obtain Russian citizenship for years.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 16: 43
          +5
          Quote: striker
          OUR region? Are you asian ??
          OUR REGION is Kiev - the Mother of Russian cities


          Can you think wider? OUR region is the place where we have always played a leading role.

          Quote: zart_arn
          If you offer the openness of our borders in exchange for the loyalty of the Asian princes, then everything is clear with you - you are defending the interests of the Russian okhlocracy (cheap labor for it). This will cause even greater growth of xenophobia in our country, so your proposal does not roll.


          And yes and no, let Gaster come and work, the main thing is that there are no illegal immigrants, therefore, toughening of migration legislation is necessary like air, just like cleaning the ranks of the FMS that cover illegal immigrants.

          As for politics, the same Tajikistan lives by the fact that one of the relatives carries rubles from Russia, and if this does not happen anymore, then there is no other choice but to sell their land for an indefinite lease, to work for a penny on foreign (in our case, Chinese ), and the governments of these countries will be loyal to Chinese investors, not the Russian Federation ...

          Accordingly, the question is already in finding a balance between good relations with the countries of the Wed. Asia and its own economic interests.

          And visas, in the form in which many on the forums offer, in this case will be like a red rag for a bull.
          It is necessary:
          1) Allow entry into the Russian Federation only on passports
          2) Restrict your stay in the territory of the Russian Federation without a work permit for three weeks
          3) Introduce huge fines to persons using illegal migrant labor
          4) To increase penalties for employees of the FMS
          The list can be supplemented, but I think the course of my thoughts is clear
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 23 January 2014 17: 44
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            Quote: sledgehammer102
            1) Allow entry into the Russian Federation only on passports
            2) Restrict your stay in the territory of the Russian Federation without a work permit for three weeks
            3) Introduce huge fines to persons using illegal migrant labor
            4) To increase penalties for employees of the FMS

            This will not solve the problem. Only the visa regime and work in the country will be solved only upon the call of the employer, so that the employer would be directly responsible for the attracted foreign citizen.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 18: 07
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              Quote: baltika-18
              This will not solve the problem. Only the visa regime and work in the country will be solved only upon the call of the employer, so that the employer would be directly responsible for the attracted foreign citizen.


              The USA and the EU have very strict visa regimes, and what ????? There are no illegal immigrants? They are there many times more than ours.
            2. mark021105
              mark021105 25 January 2014 00: 34
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              The visa regime is just one more state duty.
              Corruptionists must be extinguished at all levels.
        2. Tatarus
          Tatarus 23 January 2014 23: 26
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          Quote: striker
          which the current Russian government stupidly spread to Bendera


          And about the fact that Putin passed Syria a couple of years ago, you also squealed?
          1. striker
            striker 26 January 2014 22: 49
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            Quote: Tatarus
            And about the fact that Putin passed Syria a couple of years ago, you also squealed?

            Putya fiercely "fights" for Syria and "the presence of Russia in the Middle East", and surrenders the Russian only-born in Little Russia to the Bendera-Galicians.
            Maybe because his real "only begotten" (by his mother) are on the shores of the Dead Sea, not the Black Sea?
      4. de_monSher
        de_monSher 23 January 2014 18: 35
        +1
        But no one thinks about the consequences of such a very unfriendly move. But ...
        etc.

        Hmmm ... Sometimes I read another "sofa expert", for example, and I am amazed ...

        Saying an unfriendly act? Nu, nu ... but how to assess then the long-term oil agreements between Russia and China? There, it seems, the amounts for exactly five dozen liards have been announced, and deliveries for decades to come. And we are also talking about the allocation of loans for infrastructure from the PRC, the current is already Russia. This is quite true, a "friendly move", and first of all in the direction of its CLOSEST ally - Kazakhstan. After all, if you follow YOUR logic, then it turns out some kind of solid nonsense, but jumping ... *))

        It’s just funny sometimes even stanovitz. When the next "Ukushetochny expert" sucks out the likeness of thoughts from his finger, making it all into a semblance of an article, and after that read the chorus of "reasoning of sofa experts" ... this is just some kind of performance with Petrushka and Punch in the lead roles ... *))
      5. Smelov
        Smelov 24 January 2014 21: 45
        +2
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        And couch experts are shouting about visa ban.

        Dressing expert - you’d better keep quiet, maybe you would be smart.
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 23 January 2014 15: 54
    +4
    Let them continue to wait ... it will calm down in Syria.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 23 January 2014 16: 07
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    Central Asia needs strong power, and the clan system that is there now. China is slowly taking over these countries; we must try to defend our interests.
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    2. striker
      striker 24 January 2014 01: 18
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      Quote: Deniska999
      China is slowly taking over these countries; we must try to defend our interests.

      Our "interest" (of the Russian people) is that the Central Asian chypki would sit in YOUR house, and under a safe lock. Yes, even under the "Chinese".
      1. Smelov
        Smelov 24 January 2014 21: 51
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        Quote: striker
        Our "interest" (of the Russian people) is that the Central Asian chypki would sit in YOUR house, and under a safe lock. Yes, even under the "Chinese".

        Unfortunately, we live in the country of "couch" geostrategic experts. Those who just cannot grasp the simple fact - the Asian blood pressure is not needed by the Russians.
        The most positive scenario for Central Asia, for Russia, is the colonization of Asian countries by China. With the further settlement of Central Asia by the Chinese and the assimilation of the aboriginal population. Otherwise, the Chinese will have to covet our territories in the Far East, due to the fact that they are becoming "cramped" within the borders of their state.
        And in the case of the absorption of Central Asia by China, the situation will turn out as in the joke "and the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe and the shepherd has eternal memory."
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 25 January 2014 00: 25
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          And in the case of the absorption of Central Asia by China, the situation will turn out as in the joke "and the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe and the shepherd has eternal memory."


          "Link" means? *)) China? *)) Nu, nu ... do not piss ... *)) China will not swallow anyone, and does not "expand" ... China has a special karma - from century to century, inflated and lopazza.

          And as for Central Asia, you better not think too much with your head, otherwise you personally, apparently, may have a hernia of the frontal lobes of the brain - throw it to your ALLY = You would look at his flag at least = such idiotic phrases - "live they say don't poke your nose at us. "

          You would be better worried about the TOTAL collapse of the intellectual and cultural level in Russia = and in the entire CIS, but apparently the CIS problems do not care for you =. Here is the problem - from here the legs, ears and tails of ALL problems grow. The bulk of people are rapidly degrading. Your "thoughts" are an indicator of this degradation ...
          1. Smelov
            Smelov 25 January 2014 15: 38
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            Quote: de_monSher
            You would be better worried about the TOTAL collapse of the intellectual and cultural level in in Russia = and in the whole CIS, but judging by the problems of the CIS, you really care =

            Thanks for the advice. This is the most valuable piece of advice in my life. We'll figure it out ourselves somehow. And with the cultural level and with everything else. Only somehow without any help. And especially without the help of the "CIS" countries, which generally fell back to the level of the early Middle Ages.
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 26 January 2014 11: 01
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              Thanks for the advice. This is the most valuable advice in my life.


              Always happy to help. Especially if my advice seemed to you the most valuable in your life = doubly glad.

              And especially without the help of the "CIS" countries, which generally fell back to the level of the early Middle Ages.


              Nobody is going to help you in Romania in anything. Just another tip - to find out what is happening, you need to at least come and take a look at the situation with your own eyes. As for the Middle Ages, you are right of course, only this trend - the Middle Ages, spreads throughout the former USSR, and especially medieval positions are strong in those countries where the differentiation between the richest and the poorest is strong = and, for your information, the Central Asian countries are not =. A people who are poor, out of despair, seek a way out in religion, for example. And this is already natural savagery and the Middle Ages, when all sorts of things in the form of clericalism (no matter - Wahhabi or Orthodox), religious segregation, etc., come from some dusty, stinking shelves of history. etc.

              That's something like this ...
      2. mark021105
        mark021105 25 January 2014 00: 37
        -1
        Central Asia is close to Russia ... Do you want a Syrian (Libyan, Iraqi - optional) scenario near the borders? Central Asia has always been a "zone of vital interests of the Russian Empire", speaking in the language of the State Department ...))
        1. striker
          striker 25 January 2014 03: 30
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          Quote: mark021105
          Central Asia - right next to Russia ... Do you want a Syrian (Libyan, Iraqi - to choose) scenario at the borders?

          So in order that none of these scenarios would be realized at our borders - and need to be fenced off by China from Afghanistan and Pakistan, giving him the Central Asian menagerie - Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and the southern half of Kazakhstan (along the Aral-Balkhash line). Then all these "caliphates" with "Hizb-ut-Tahrir" and the IMU will become the INTERNAL headache of our strategic rival in this region.
          Let the Han people "assimilate" these apricots.
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher 25 January 2014 03: 40
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            the pain of our strategic rival in this region.
            Let the Han people "assimilate" these apricots.


            *)))))))))))))) Hy ... and with such shots, you, normal Russians. going to build a country? *)) Maybe the Empire? *))) Maybe a great Power? *)))) It’s dull like a cork, it’s windy in the brain, it’s only dripping from the tongue ...
            1. Smelov
              Smelov 25 January 2014 15: 51
              +1
              Quote: de_monSher
              *)))))))))))))) Hy ... and with such shots, you, normal Russians. going to build a country? *)) Maybe the Empire? *))) Maybe a great Power? *)))

              We are not going to build an "empire", especially from Asian sub-states. Old violent Stalinists want to build empire.
              We are Russian going to build a Russian state.
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher 26 January 2014 20: 52
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                We are Russian going to build a Russian state.


                Well nah? *))) Do you know how to build something? *)))))) You, personally? *)))) The Stalinists have built at least something ... You are still ruining everything. Even in my own words ... *)) What is Russia, even today, if not an Empire? *))) Explain your demagoguery in more detail ... well, well, well ... it even became interesting, what do you have there in your "Romanian MozK-e" koposhitsa ... *)))
                1. striker
                  striker 26 January 2014 22: 53
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                  Quote: de_monSher
                  in your "Romanian MozK-e"

                  Chuchmek, are you talking about such a thing - PROXY, have you ever heard?
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher 27 January 2014 01: 19
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                    Chuchmek, are you talking about such a thing - PROXY, have you ever heard?


                    Priro-ok, a hedgehog, it’s clear that you go through a proxy, since it’s scary to show your real affiliation to such a lo-ham like you So what? What else do you want to explain, the waddler is not far off, without a sense of humor? *))
        2. Smelov
          Smelov 25 January 2014 15: 43
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          Quote: mark021105
          Central Asia - near by Russia

          Yes indeed ... at hand, very close. Just a few thousand kilometers.
          Quote: mark021105
          Want a Syrian (Libyan, Iraqi - to choose) scenario

          Want. My dream is that the Kyrgyz citizen would be drowned in blood.

          Quote: mark021105
          Central Asia has always been a "zone of vital interests of the Russian Empire", speaking in the language of the State Department ...))

          did you really move your head ?? Which State Dep during the time of the Empire?
          There has never been talk about Central Asia ... Central Asia is a hole, this is the planet’s cesspool. It has no value whatsoever, it's just a cursed place inhabited by creatures of dubious quality.
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  4. TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 23 January 2014 17: 25
    +1
    Central Asia is the most quiet and calm region in comparison with other oil-rich countries. I hope this silence and calm is not before the storm.
    1. Smelov
      Smelov 24 January 2014 21: 47
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      Quote: TS3sta3
      Central Asia - the most quiet and calm region

      So live there in your "quiet and calm" region. Just don't meddle with us.
    2. de_monSher
      de_monSher 25 January 2014 00: 18
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      silence and calm are not before the storm.


      No, not before the storm. There will ALWAYS be peace and quiet ... There are no other options, there have never been and never will be. I do not count Kyrgyzstan - they have become a taste for revolutions, and there is no way to do without a harsh rooting out of the "revolutionary instinct" ... *)
  5. Black
    Black 23 January 2014 17: 32
    +2
    A holy place is never empty.
    That is as expected. The expansion of the Middle Kingdom in action.
    While the clans are biting among themselves - it's time to launch a paw. Claw is already bogged down ... a bird will disappear.
  6. mountain
    mountain 23 January 2014 17: 47
    +1
    Yes, while we were floundering in our problems, the world did not stand still. But I don’t think that everything is so simple under the sun, and Russia and these republics have lived together for more than a dozen years, and relations and the assimilation of peoples and the behavioral factor, I don’t think that China will manage to clean everything with money.
    1. asadov
      asadov 23 January 2014 18: 35
      +1
      why only money? They can (which by the way they do) build their factories, catch up with their workers there and peacefully displace local Aboriginal people from the regions. And where to oust, and so clearly - to us. The old people are dying out there and the youth are working with us.
  7. Onizuka teacher
    Onizuka teacher 23 January 2014 18: 58
    +2
    I read the article, then komenty. Residents of the SA, without exception, who you are by nation, the inhabitants of the Russian Federation and the European part are lousy, lumps and natives, although they themselves are no better and even worse somewhere, but Belarusians are more civilian and do not allow themselves to do this for which I respect them. It’s already seen who they relate to. Neighbors and stay.
    1. Smelov
      Smelov 24 January 2014 21: 55
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      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Neighbors and stay.

      AMEN! Just sit in your Asia and don’t mess with us. We really hate you.
      And Belarusians treat you better, because they have minimal contacts with you. If they came across your rabble every day, since We are Russians, they would hate you no less. We do not differ much between them.
  8. shelva
    shelva 23 January 2014 20: 04
    +1
    China needs, first of all, a territory for growing its chemical agricultural products, as well as markets for goods of lousy quality. And not only the countries of Central Asia are of interest to them - under the guise of "Euromaidan" they are trying on the Crimea - they are going to grow wheat there. And as if there were no politics but only one business.
  9. Semurg
    Semurg 23 January 2014 20: 37
    +5
    When China invests in Russia, it’s good when in Central Asia it is a threat. I don’t understand if a threat, then show an example, give up Chinese money, otherwise it looks more like double standards. I remember the shaft of negative information when they built the oil pipeline to China from Kazakhstan, now they are planning to pump about 5-10 million tons of oil from Russia to China through it and who is feeling bad about it?
    1. alone
      alone 23 January 2014 22: 40
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      Quote: Semurg
      When China invests in Russia, it’s good when in Central Asia it is a threat. I don’t understand if a threat, then show an example, give up Chinese money, otherwise it looks more like double standards. I remember the shaft of negative information when they built the oil pipeline to China from Kazakhstan, now they are planning to pump about 5-10 million tons of oil from Russia to China through it and who is feeling bad about it?


      Well it’s been known for a long time Sagat hi , Try to imagine the teachings of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan and Nato. Then they will immediately accuse Kazakhstan of treason. And when it comes to the Russia-Nato exercises, this is useful and good))) it’s hard to call it even double standards. This is the lack of standards)))
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 24 January 2014 08: 45
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        Quote: striker

        Our "interest" (of the Russian people) is that the Central Asian chypki would sit in YOUR house, and under a safe lock. Yes, even under the "Chinese".

        Alone. Kasym in this post is the answer to many questions on which there is a discussion.
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    2. Kasym
      Kasym 23 January 2014 23: 22
      +3
      Sagat, salem! 7 mil tons for pumping oil from Russia through us. The contract with Rosneft. It also envisages expanding the capacity of the Western Kazakhstan-China pipe to 20 million tons.
      Here in general, if you remember the story is as follows. There was a gas war over the "drain" of gas by Ukraine from the West and the Russian Federation. Nazarbayev came to Germany and took a pro-Russian position. And he announced that we would build infrastructure to the east. I remember that this caused an ambiguous reaction in the Russian Federation and in Europe on this matter. The Russian Federation was losing control over all transit kaz. oil; The West realized that we have an alternative.
      I mean that in the Russian Federation sometimes later ignition. At first, they scratched their turnips - what for in the PRC to build pipelines, and now the Russian Federation itself began to build and is increasing transit through us to China (the previous agreement was 5 mil. Tons).
      Sagat, this wave of the expansion of China in Central Asia began after just this statement of the National Academy of Sciences. The West is unhappy that we are redirecting our transportation routes. And Chinese loans will go into our industry (refineries, NHC, etc.). So it’s profitable for us, we are cooperating and will continue. hi
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 24 January 2014 07: 16
        +2
        This is a global game between Europe and China for the resources of the Caspian and Russia.
        Russia and the Caspian countries with their resources are just a prize in a big game.
        Europe tried to bypass Russia (the same BPS, Nabuco, trans-Caspian project) - to draw the resources of the Caspian to itself and thereby force everyone (from North Africa, the Persian Gulf, Russia and the Caspian countries) to compete with each other.
        China is slowly pulling the blanket - even Russia is redirecting oil and gas there. Everything else is nonsense.
  10. Horn
    Horn 24 January 2014 06: 43
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    Quote: AVV
    The soft power of China in action !!! With a quiet glanders, China makes these republics dependent on itself !!!!

    "Sapa" is a tunnel. Female. SLEEP. This is more correct. Nothing personal, just Russian and so will rot.