Third J-20 Prototype

16 January 2014 of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) Airfield of the Chinese Aircraft Association (CAIG) was filmed in Chengdu, the third flight prototype of the fifth-generation Chinese fighter, J-20, which is currently undergoing the 2011.

The first J-20 prototype (board number "2001") developed and built by CAIG made its first flight to Chengdu on January 11 2011, and the second prototype (board number "2002") in May 2012. The 2011 aircraft differs from the first two prototypes, in particular, by the presence of a built-in opto-electronic system under the nose of the fuselage.

The third flying prototype of the fifth-generation Chinese fighter J-20 (tail number "2011"). Chengdu, 16.01.2014 (c) www.cjdby.net

The third flying prototype of the fifth-generation Chinese fighter J-20 (tail number "2011"). Chengdu, 16.01.2014 (c) www.fyjs.cn

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[denssss]

Do our engines stand there?

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: denssss

Do our engines stand there?

Probably yes.
Since, while their normal, they do not know how.

[klimpopov]

However, they come on the heels.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: klimpopov

However, they come on the heels.

to know who else is advancing. I think this is a joke about the elusive joe that no one needs.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Exactly so. But they are still trying. I don’t think that it will turn out what we need. My opinion.

[ShturmKGB]

Rather, with the F-22 slammed than with the T-50

[Deniska]

It seems to me that they slammed there and there, but what they understood was done.

[G_sl]

No, not ours.

[VAF]

Quote: denssss

Do our engines stand there?

J-20 prototypes equipped with WS-10G engines

[makarov]

Quote: denssss

Do our engines stand there?

Probably painted with Chinese paint, so "purely Chinese".

[-ш-]

beautiful MIG 1.44 ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

not close relatives, the hodgepodge licked from f-22..f-35 and our t-50 ... well, maybe from Yak a bit ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

What is common with the J-20?

[Deniska]

STAR on the tail

[Reserve buildbat]

The aerodynamic design is the same. "Duck"

[Deniska]

??? what does it have to do with it?

Or from the rank: "The Royal Tiger is as handsome as the White Swan!" ?

[propolsky]

It seems that they were shooting from the bushes, but knowing the Chinese you understand that if they did not want to shoot it, then no one could do it! What is the catch time will tell.

[VADEL]

After the cheap Chinese consumer goods of the 90s, I can't look at their products normally. I look at this plane as a Great Wall tin can.

[Onizuka teacher]

Here is the Chinese consumer goods Shanghai interchange. I was resting on the Hainan Islands. Beautiful consumer goods however ...

[dmitrij.blyuz]

And the pictures of the bridge across the strait is not an accident? A beautiful thing. Three years, almost 15 km! And we have 12 years and 1,5 km through the Angara!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Here is the Chinese consumer goods Shanghai interchange. I was relaxing on the Hainan Islands

Dear this bridge is in Japan
And the famous bridge to Hainan is this one.
Although no, my jamb is sorry. In Japan, just exactly the same

[dmitrij.blyuz]

I found, however. I asked about him. Everything is cooler than I expected. Http://bibo.kz/pictures/472466-novyjj-most-pojavilsja-v-kitajjskojj-
province.html

[avg]

Once again for the sake of fidelity write however ...

[rugor]

The main thing is to draw the right conclusions, without hatred moods.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

China of the 90s, this is far from being the same. The quality of them jumped high enough. Look, you are riveting whatever you hit and at a frantic pace. Even a little enviable.

[Scandinavian]

begging one to one, it looks like PAKFA and Raptor ... apparently the PLA hackers did their best ... write down ... the striped drawings ...

[roller2]

What do you have to do with it .. if?
And did it not occur to you that the requirements for aircraft of this class determine their appearance?
After all, the T-50 is very similar to the F-22 but we do not say that it is a copy of it.?
So why should their plane be a copy?
If they took the best developments that the Americans had with the Russians and applied on their plane, then this is already a COPY and their own development, but we will see what it will be like sooner.

[Old skeptic]

Quote: rolik2

After all, the T-50 is very similar to the F-22 but we do not say that it is a copy of it.?

Well, about like a pig on a hedgehog.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Although you are knowledgeable. It seems that many (not all) see only what flies and what it is.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

In what image is the T-50 similar to the F-22? Here you’ll see a blind difference. Even the glider itself is different. Not to mention the keels, airplanes, flashlights, and this is not even close to the 50th. If you are interested in Aviation, read normal literature, if not, don’t get into the topic. Please forgive , for your ignorance. And about the Chinese in general the conversation is ridiculous, take a look at the glider. He only looks like the 22nd. And what does it look like the T-50? Yes, many criticize and write about aviation, but surpassed, though not all, but many.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Well, to PAK FA, and to Raptor, they’re like to the States on foot. Although I wrote above, but I don’t believe, for some reason, in the exclusivity and advancement of the Chinese aviation industry of my own design. Yes, and it is unlike the T-50 in any way.

[roller2]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

but I don’t believe, for some reason, in the exclusivity and advancement of the Chinese aircraft industry

Stalin also did not believe in the German attack on the USSR.
You can not believe in a woman, a drummer, etc. but the Chinese aviation industry exists, its advancement lies in cheap products that are produced in large quantities, and the fact that they do not beat their forehead against the wall while trying to invent a bicycle, they just take a reliable and tested model and put it into production, and they have the right technology it turns out worse than the original, but there are a lot of it and it is cheap, and for their army this is a very important indicator.
Judging by their pace of development, they can do it.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Regarding my own developments, I’ll just throw my head against the wall. I won’t throw it off. On my own. A cheap plane, especially a combat one, is a doll. Do you know the price of their J-20? That's it. And they won’t tell you. yuan, nor, especially, in dollars. And, by the way, Stalin knew that there would be a war. He did not believe in time. Therefore, he tried to rearm the Army. But he didn’t have time. And it was not his fault. Looks like you know a lot about the Chinese aviation industry - enlighten the ignorant7

[shark]

Rumor has it that the aircraft does not produce the declared characteristics. The maximum that the 4th generation pulls. But the Chinese are stubborn comrades. Once they got there, they’ll definitely finish something. I have no doubt

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Vladimir. I apologize. Minus. Not from evil, I got rams. Rehabilitated.

[shark]

Empty. It happens

[Archikah]

The fact that the plane looks similar - it does not mean anything. The 5th generation airplane is a complex. Everything should work like a clock. They have problems with the engine (a known fact), the radar system - they will buy from the French. Something the Ukrainians will eventually have a Frankenstein plane. Of course, when there will be thousands of them, they will be able to crush the mass. But China is really not the same. The standard of living is growing. Production cost too. And rivet the 5th generation aircraft, like pies it doesn’t work out even with them.
And about the interchanges and other things. Look at Dubai. Does this indicate progress in the Dubai construction industry?

[dmitrij.blyuz]

China doesn’t have a 5th generation aircraft. And in the near future there will not be anything close to the F-22 or T-50. And the problem is not only in the engines. Now, everyone is not lazy about their development 5- m generation. Even Turkey. With such success, the AN-2 can be attributed to the 6th generation. At a low altitude no one will see it. And a speed of 180 km / h allows it to be invulnerable from modern weapons. Unfortunately, I will not exaggerate .

[dmitrij.blyuz]

They have their own concept of generations of aircraft. As for the "rumor", I deeply doubt such sources, rather it is based on analyzes, the availability of small information. China does not cover its developments. Taboo on this. Sometimes they will throw off something petty- so that is all! And what they have there is cooking - Buddha knows them!

[Wiruz]

And yet it looks like a MiG 1.44. Whatever they say ...

[Monster_Fat]

I have always been amazed at the stupidity and shortsightedness of those who view China as some kind of backward power of the mid-20th century. Oh, how wrong they are. I have to visit China and see with my own eyes what this country has become over the past 20 years. It is now a super-modern power, which Russia can no longer reach for its industrial power. I have visited factories for the production of opto-electronic products both in Russia and in China. In Russia, these are miserable, semi-handicraft enterprises, remnants of the former power, where on the machines and assembly sites of the times of "Tsar-Gorokh" a few retired craftsmen, coupled with undergrowths, assemble devices, not even of the previous, but of an even earlier generation. In China, such enterprises are ultra-modern: huge, spacious, light workshops, with a perfect air purification system, equipped with the latest machines, most of their own, Chinese production, and partially purchased from modern enterprises in Europe and America. These enterprises have the highest organization and control of the production process. The products of the latest model are produced, which are not inferior to the best world analogues, and the Chinese do not care about the fact that for the production of these products they "communicated" technologies in other countries - the main products are produced and sold out as "hot" pies "and they are constantly improving it from sample to sample. By the way, illiquid assets-rejects (namely, illiquid assets and rejects, I did not make a reservation) of such industries are bought up on the vine by various cunning "campash", and then, this waste is resold to Russia in particular, guess where, then, they will "float". That's right, in our falling satellites, "maces", airplanes, etc. Even, at the "everyday" level, China has gone very far. For example, the Chinese in areas on the southern coast exposed to a humid climate have created an entire system of collecting rainwater and transporting it, through huge underground pipelines, to the arid regions of the country.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Well, about the optoelectronic products, you are not entirely right. Not all enterprises work according to the technology of the times of the "king-pea". There are also quite advanced ones. Perhaps I don’t know a lot of them. ACC is going to flourish.

[Monster_Fat]

The Zagorsk enterprise practically "died in a bose" and no one is going to "prosper" there, they are now trying to "galvanize the corpse" - let's see what will come of it - without modern equipment and personnel. The refinery is no longer even an refinery, but Shvabe, and there is such a reorganization that “Mama don’t cry” - they are switching mainly to the production of consumer goods and to what everyone accuses the Chinese of - compilations from mainly Chinese components. LOMO - "dead" and "stinks" for many years, interrupted by random orders. There is still "lytka", but it is also slowly destroying itself by raising the prices for its products to such limits, and setting such conditions for the supply of its products that it is easier and cheaper to order on Zeiss, not to mention China.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

I say, I don’t know. I know a couple of enterprises in the optoelectronic industry that are developing specifically. Maybe there are still. Such enterprises are not publicized now. Those who are bent will not be raised. Alas.

[Onizuka teacher]

Monster_Fat You are right. As of December 2012, the total length of such roads in China amounted to more than 9300 km. China is currently witnessing a boom in high-speed rail construction. With the support of the state and thanks to special incentive measures, by the end of the 12th five-year plan, in 2015, the total length of the high-speed railway network will reach 18000 km. In the technological plan, the organization of high-speed railway communication is carried out through agreements on the transfer of technology from reputed foreign manufacturers of such like Bombardier, Alstom, and Kawasaki. Adopting foreign technology, China seeks to make its own developments based on them. An example is the development of CRH-380A series trains, which set a record for high-speed roads in China, about 500 km / h. Practical work on the construction of a new network of high-speed rail transport began with the Ninth Five-Year Plan (1996-2000) and continues to this day. China is now striking in its scope, especially with high-speed trains which Russia cannot manage to establish in any way, and this is only railway. Questions?

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Macy! Regarding railway traffic in China, I agree. They even overtook France in something. Our Railways are like the moon before them. For 250 speeds, we are from the realm of fantasy, they already have a reality. And not 200-500 km . The seamless rails are just beginning to be used here, they’re already in operation order. And what roads are the song. As you walk in the mirror! There’s not even the slightest hole. It’s a bit long for us even before that.

[JonnyT]

I wonder what materials the Chinese used for the aircraft body, what kind of environment with "invisibility"?
Something I personally am tormented by vague doubts about the "fifth generation" ......
If they took a bit of everything from all the most famous aircraft, it is difficult to think that really new ideas were realized in this aircraft ....

http://army-news.ru/2011/01/kitajskij-j-20/

[dmitrij.blyuz]

And you yourself answered the link. There is no data anywhere. China, like the USSR in its time developing new military equipment, seems to be creating it under the heading "OWN SECRET". In fact, they are right. One thing we know, they have big problems in production engines of the AL-31F type. Yes of all-combat line. They cannot create a technology for the production of turbine blades. And this is a key piece of iron in the engine.

[Alex]

Quote: VADEL

After cheap Chinese consumer goods of the 90s, I can’t look at their products normally.

Well, since the 90s, the quality of Chinese products has changed dramatically. Now most of the goods sold by us are made in China. When buying imported goods, you sometimes do not realize that they are Chinese. Generally, the Chinese are great. Now they do absolutely everything, and at the same time they do it very quickly learn. Actually envy takes, we would like that.

[VADEL]

Dear! No need to explain about the jump in China and the quality of their goods, how their lunar rover plows the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater. The pictures are beautiful, I’ve been there with all my eyes, it’s great. BUT these 90s unforgettable.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Our Lunokhods a little earlier on the Moon visited.

[roller2]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Our Lunokhods a little earlier on the Moon visited.

And now they will answer with what?
Yes, our moon rovers were the first, but the world does not stand still, and now China can launch its own moon rovers, and we?

[Tersky]

Quote: rolik2

and now China can launch its own moon rovers, and we?

And 40 years ago, we realized that this was a waste of money. By the way, in the USA they also realized this.

[roller2]

Quote: Tersky

And 40 years ago, we realized that this was a waste of money. By the way, in the USA they also realized this.

Here the keyword is 40 years old

Quote: Tersky

it is a waste of money.

Well, not everything in this world is measured in money
For China, its lunar rover is a great achievement in space technology, the break-in of unmanned systems, plus SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH of the moon.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Will. Not all is lost. But are they needed?

[roller2]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

But are they needed?

And 40 years ago they were needed?
On the practical side of the question - will they lie.
But it was a big step in space exploration, the development of space technologies, now China is taking such steps, and we are treading water and nodding at what was done 40 years ago, such as if our fathers did it, then we will do it, but then it doesn’t work out very well for us, either it’s dumber than steel (which is clearly not so) or there is no incentive (and this is already more plausible)

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Exactly 40 years ago, a confrontation between the two powers was needed. Studying the surface of the nearest satellite. Now it’s not a panacea. Enough material has been collected to create the same base there. China, while we are just working out the technology, we have passed this stage.

[roller2]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

China, while just working out the technology, we have passed this stage.

I agree, it is following in our footsteps. But the pace is amazing.

[Monster_Fat]

You'd better drive 100-200 km away from the Moscow Ring Road, to the nearest village a la "Gadyukino" - there are really "UNFORGETTABLE" pictures there, it seems that time stopped there somewhere in the 19th century or even in the Middle Ages.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

So I live from the Moscow Ring Road and live in 4,5 thousand kilometers. To be honest (no offense) I can tell you what’s going on. Moscow sucks all the juices from the regions. And it destroys its outskirts. In Russia and in Krasnoyarsk , and on Baikal, everything rises slowly. Do not read to you. Well, and grieve the devastation of 100-200 km. from the capital. You just need to be able to live, and not to rely on whom it is not clear, and not to finish off your 100-200 km. I apologize if you touched. You yourself didn’t want to save yours. Now you are crying. Come to me to Baikal in July, you will see everything.

[G_sl]

It seems that you live in another country and you do not care and do not care what happens 100-200 km from Moscow

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Quote: G_Sl

It seems that you live in another country and you do not care and do not care what happens 100-200 km from Moscow

You’re right. I don’t care at all. We have enough worries here. But we seem to be a lot of fun together. We are trying to raise our regions. And Moscow is a wealthy metropolis. And without our pity, it will interrupt. Now in Siberia, little by little, although the villages began to come to life. One request from Moscow, let it not interfere.

[alone]

China and China again! Remember my words: very soon, China will turn into a headache for the whole world.