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Russian tsars: view from the West. Part V: Gorbachev and Yeltsin

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Russian tsars: view from the West. Part V: Gorbachev and Yeltsin

"However," continues the special project "Portraits of Russian Tsars in the West." This topic is interesting, first of all, because Russian leaders have always been the embodiment of their country for the western elite and the townsfolk. And in relation to the “king” figure, one can judge which image of Russia was in demand in the West at one time or another. It should be noted that most of the portraits in our gallery are holographic pictures. After all, when it was beneficial for Western politicians to conclude a tactical alliance with Moscow, the king was portrayed as a wise ruler capable of pragmatic deals, when the need for an alliance with the Russians fell away, the picture was shown from a different angle - traditional Russophobic stereotypes were reborn, and the king turned into a "cunning Byzantine" , an unpredictable despot or a mindless comedian.


If we talk about the current epoch, the image of Putin, like the image of his predecessors, in the West is constantly transforming depending on the foreign policy conjuncture. (However, in the Medvedev period, the existence of a tandem facilitated the task: the portrait of one leader was served in light, the second - in dark colors). In most cases, however, Western portrait painters operated with exactly “holographic pictures”, occasionally turning them with the right side: “wolf - hare”, “hare - wolf”, as in Soviet stickers based on “Well, wait a minute”.

"Holographic" somewhat different kind can be traced when the Russian tsar (and, therefore, our country) is viewed by researchers of a later era. It is easy to see that contemporaries evaluate people and events in the system of values ​​and concepts of “time of action”, and historians unobtrusively approach the past with the criteria of the future - when out of good motives, and when out of all the same applied ones. By the way, we should remember about the “holographic features” when, for internal political reasons, some Russian experts trump these or those quotes that reflect “objective Western assessments”.

Gorbimania: Narcissus on the throne

The portrait of Mikhail Gorbachev in the West was created according to traditional canons. His American counterpart Ronald Reagan, who called the policy of detente "defeatism" and proclaimed the USSR "evil empire," did not see at first those advantages that can be drawn from the idealism of the Soviet Secretary General. He even dubbed him a "hard-headed Bolshevik." As for Gorbachev's “new thinking”, the Western media saw in him “another deception by the communists, the most ambitious of all”.

However, it soon became apparent that Gorby was not the typical Russian tsar, and creating a positive image in the West was almost the main priority for him. “For quanta of fame and calories of self-composing, he offered Reagan invaluable geopolitical gifts,” political scientist Alexander Prokhanov said, however. And Western portrait painters tried their best to please Gorbachev. They portrayed him as a politician of a new type who upholds “universal human values”, admired perestroika and managed to raise a wave of backing in the USA and Europe.

True, the realist politicians understood very well what was really going on. As George Schulz, who held the post of state secretary in the Reagan administration, noted later, “starting from a meeting in Reykjavik, Gorbachev was putting gifts at our feet — concession by concession.” The Soviet leader agreed to an asymmetric reduction of armaments, withdrew troops from Afghanistan, and in fact abandoned the Brezhnev doctrine on interference in the internal affairs of Eastern Europe. And although officially all this was presented in the West as a pragmatic revolution, carried out by a politician who believes in ideals, many secretly called Gorbachev a “narcissus”, on whose complexes the American president successfully played. “For the sake of false praises addressed to you,” said some Western political scientists, “Gorbachev is ready to sacrifice national interests. And when such a person is at the head of an empire, it certainly means its decline. ” In general, in the holographic portrait of the last Soviet Secretary General, on the one hand, you can see the image of a progressive reformer who destroyed the Berlin Wall, and on the other, a self-satisfied combineer, who was surrounded by fingertips by Western leaders. It is this picture that inspires historians who are eager to prove that the United States has won the Cold War.

"In Russia, you can only put on one horse": a few words about the image of "Tsar Boris"

As for Yeltsin, Tsar Boris was initially perceived in the West as a close ally or even a satellite of the United States, which should not be criticized once again. “In Russia, we can only bet on one horse,” “Yeltsin is a giant who can beat a stake in the heart of the Soviet system,” assisted Bill Clinton’s assistants after the Supreme Soviet was dissolved in Moscow. And although some critics noted that the Russian leader had accomplished a constitutional coup, no one listened to their arguments. The official point of view was expressed in the best way possible by the US Undersecretary of State, Clinton’s Oxford classmate Strobe Talbot: “Yeltsin is Russian Charles de Gaulle, who does not hesitate to resort to authoritarian methods in order to bring the country out of chaos.”

After the first meeting in Vancouver in 1993, Clinton called Yeltsin "a man full of energy, a real fighter." “This guy is the same as me,” he said. “In politics, he needs adrenaline.” In the West, they were ready to portray Yeltsin as an assertive and self-confident leader, realizing that behind closed doors he was becoming a pliable and receptive partner. Here is a characteristic dialogue between the two presidents, about which General However told Leonid Ivashov:

“Boris, you have to take some serious step so that I can convince Congress to support your policy,” Clinton once said.

- What, for example? - Yeltsin asked.

“Agree to sell at least 50 percent of Russian weapons-grade uranium and plutonium,” suggested the US president.

“Take at least everything,” his Russian colleague answered.

Yeltsin withdrew troops from the Baltic states, agreed to the expansion of NATO to the East, joined the peacekeeping mission of the Western countries in the Balkans. And it is not surprising that in 1996, the Clinton team portrayed the current Russian president as the "beacon of democracy" and did everything possible to drag him for a second term.

At the end of 90's, the picture turned upside down, and in the West they began to actively discuss the shortcomings of Yeltsin. This was explained by the fact that the foreign policy of the Russian Federation began to change, and the angry rebukes and unexpected improvisations of the Russian president put the Western partners at a dead end. Yeltsin, who had so hard achieved independence from the Politburo, didn’t want to be pushed around by anything else. And it was no coincidence that he was pleased to do something to spite the Americans. He constantly demonstrated his character, then threatening to create the axis Moscow-Beijing-Delhi, then starting to flirt with France and Germany. But, perhaps most of all, Clinton managed to annoy him at the end of 1999, when Russian paratroopers carried out a night march on the capital of Kosovo, Pristina. It was at that moment that the image of Yeltsin in the West changed drastically. He turned into an unruly irrational politician, unable to make informed decisions. And although in many respects this was true, it is not clear why Western politicians saw the light only at the end of 90.

In general, it can be argued that the portraits of the last kings were also holographic. Only one of their sides was, what is called, the front door (as a reward for geopolitical concessions in the West, Gorbachev and Yeltsin were portrayed as the “founding fathers” of democratic Russia), and the second was more realistic (the leaders who surrendered their country were, naturally, perceived as weak-headed rag dolls , by chance turned out to be on top of power).
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  1. invisibility
    invisibility 21 January 2014 09: 12
    +17
    Russian tsars: view from the West. Part V: Gorbachev and Yeltsin

    Nooooo!
    Traitors and drunks: Part V: Gorbachev and Yeltsin. That's right!
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    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 21 January 2014 18: 13
      +8
      Two mu.d.p.a.s.a., one memory of which causes a feeling of disgust and contempt!
      Destroyers of the state and the cause of death of millions of people. May their names be cursed forever!
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 January 2014 09: 28
    +9
    Uncle Sam spread both of them like suckers ... Remember the cartoons of Boris Efimov on Uncle Sam: a flower in one hand and a knife in the other!
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 21 January 2014 09: 33
    +17
    Sorry Dear Author! hi I could not read the article: these "historical" characters are so disgusting to me. As I saw them, and even side by side, it became already bad ... I still want to live up to the moment when I can spit on the grave of the hunchback.
    1. invisibility
      invisibility 21 January 2014 19: 25
      +2
      And I want him to live to see a fair people's court!
  4. alex13-61
    alex13-61 21 January 2014 09: 46
    +7
    Two freaks ... enough about them ...
  5. smersh70
    smersh70 21 January 2014 10: 21
    +1
    .just the anniversary of the events of January 20, 1990 in Baku. The more people died there than in Vilnius or Tbilisi ... and the matter is not in quantity. Even after so many years, he did not deign to at least apologize for his atrocities. A criminal case has been instituted against him, and most of the volumes are in the Russian Prosecutor’s Office, and now she doesn’t return the criminal volumes ..
    1. smile
      smile 21 January 2014 13: 55
      +6
      smersh70
      In both Baku and Tbilisi, the actions of our security forces were absolutely adequate and justified. By the way, there were pogroms and we stopped them. It’s a pity, of course, that our actions were late - we had to push earlier.
      The operation in Vilnius is a different matter - there was no blood on our hands at all, not even bandits or individuals from the brutal thirsty blood crowd - this is a crime and provocation of Lithuanian nationalists supervised by foreign intelligence agencies. The guys from the Krai Guard Service themselves shot their compatriots in cold blood, creating a crowd and preventing them from running around with a cordon. And the Lithuanians themselves are well aware of this, and even talk about it and. Naturally, they are prosecuted there for this.

      So, we have nothing to apologize for. It would be worth some nationalists to apologize at least to their people ... though, where does their conscience come from, is it not? :)))

      And such incidents were possible only due to the fact that our actions were too soft and thoroughly late. If we neutralized the provocateurs and nationalist gangsters, there would be no blood.
      But the hunchback did not have the political will to restore order in the country .... the reincarnation of nicholas ... moreover, worse - even nicholas would not go for such a surrender of the interests of his country.

      Well, since, will you apologize? :))) We are ready to forgive you ... everyone ... :)))
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 21 January 2014 14: 11
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        Quote: smile
        In both Baku and Tbilisi, the actions of our security forces were absolutely adequate and justified.

        "Send" the citizen to what is happening in Ukraine, and if he is sufficiently capable of analysis, then all the questions about "adequacy - inadequacy" will disappear by themselves ...
        1. smile
          smile 21 January 2014 14: 45
          +3
          Corsair
          Alas, the citizen is clearly a nationalist who believes that the atrocious crowds of murderers and rioters in Baku are peaceful democratic demonstrators, and our landing, which cleaned up there and saved people, is bloody oppressors. You can’t alter it anymore.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 21 January 2014 14: 52
            +2
            Quote: smile
            You can’t alter it anymore.

            Sometimes stressful situations change the mind drastically, and if the personality is not pathological, then there are chances. But each one needs its own "key" ...
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 21 January 2014 15: 26
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            Quote: smile
            bloody oppressors. It can not be redone.

            there were legal foundations adopted by the USSR Armed Forces on the introduction of an emergency on the territory of the USSR. so, if you did not get into conflict resolution, ALL articles of this law were completely violated. In addition, even Yazov subsequently apologized to our people. all spoke out in an interview.
            in general everywhere, and in Vilnius, and in Baku everywhere there were snipers who shot at the troops, and who, even with the country's most fraudulent administrative and legal resources, could not even show their bodies.
            1. smile
              smile 21 January 2014 16: 13
              +3
              smersh70
              There were no snipers in Vilnius. Just on the roofs of nearby high-rises there were children from the regional security service armed with whatever they got from AKM to hunting rifles.
              That is why the corpses of the dead were not allowed to be examined by an investigation team from Moscow.
              I have, by the way. a cousin on Suderves Street in Vilnius lived next to the tower. Everything was quite noticeable with binoculars. By the way, among the army officers who provided the Alpha’s actions, only the officers hit the cartridges. The corpses did not have 5.45 wounds. The point - these TV-creatures of their own were shot and hanged on us, and you, supporting them, simply perfectly illustrate what your words are worth. By the way, even when shooting events in Vilnius, tracers are seen from top to bottom, flickering next to the soldiers.
              Yeah. And I can also say that thanks to my relative (not the one from Suderves Street) I personally know the opinion of the Vilnius riot police commander Boleslav. To my great regret, I can’t say the details. For obvious reasons.
              And yet, apparently, you are not aware that shortly before taking the television center under control, he switched to round-the-clock broadcasting and from there called for pogroms - like those that you had in Baku.

              About Baku. Well, what can I say, the evil Russians saving people from the brutal rioters and nationalist bandits probably shot themselves ... out of habit - Russian animals ... And not good killer-rioters who can do anything because of their nationalist democracy.
              We have many who apologized to many. There, before the Poles for Katyn, they repented for political reasons, although the Poles were shot there by the Germans.

              When will you repent, eh? Or didn’t you offend the Russians? Or do you have a conscience net? If you want an apology, repent first yourself, and then we will repent for the destruction of bandits and murderers. We are waiting for your repentance. You can start.
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        2. smersh70
          smersh70 21 January 2014 15: 22
          -2
          Quote: Corsair
          "Send" a citizen to what is happening in Ukraine

          but what if even the vaunted Golden Eagle, whom you already sing odes in 500 comments, cannot handle the townspeople. if Maidan is so disgusting to you, go and help the Golden Eagle ... and not press the buttons in front of the monitor !!!!!! !
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 21 January 2014 16: 03
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            and if Maidan is so disgusting to you, go and help the Golden Eagle ... and not press the buttons in front of the monitor !!!!!!!


            But this is on your part, a call for civil confrontation, but I will give you a "discount" for not knowing the essence of what is happening and ... Caucasian temperament wink .
          2. genisis
            genisis 21 January 2014 17: 45
            -3
            Reminiscences of a former Baku resident, now living in the United States, retired major William Klehner about the events of the "Black January" 1990.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 21 January 2014 15: 20
        -2
        Quote: smile
        were absolutely adequate and justified

        they were Soviet citizens, representatives of all nationalities. although they would have notified the people that they were bringing in troops. But it was necessary to send in the troops in the NKAR, in the nursery of separatism and restore power in the NKAR. And as if they entered Hungary, and even then they warned them - What is the adequacy and validity. If I am a nationalist, ask Ezhak, he is Russian and lived there. And I saw everything with my own eyes. It should be a shame to you. Against the background of your borderless cheers-patriotism, at least you would look the truth in the eye, and not Gorbach would defend with Yazov, and the rest. The troops came in to suppress the national movement with particular cruelty. And the troops came from other districts. We had about 130 thousand, 4 army, Internal troops, we had to call the bearded partisans from regions of Russia, where part of the population was Armenians.
        Gorbach, in his book, admitted that he made a mistake, but did not apologize. Unlike the person who made the decision and admitted the mistake, you defend him so zealously.
        1. smile
          smile 21 January 2014 16: 23
          +2
          smersh70
          Yes. you are right - the troops have come to crush the national movements - nationalist movements. which almost equaled the Nazis at that time.
          Do not tell my boots about special cruelty - they used force only to the brutal bandits-bombers and to those who peacefully shot at the troops. Otherwise, the nationalists would be seated. sent from abroad and would have quieted down like cockroaches under a slipper. And I do not defend the hunchback - it was he who gave the nationalists an unbelievable girdle to such an extent. that they began to kill and had to send troops to protect people.

          By the way, why are the killers and thugs rioters sweet, who turned out to be mostly nationalists, to you? Why do you think that they should have been allowed to commit atrocities further? What little killed? Or do they have the correct nationality, in your opinion? Do you understand which animals you protect? Do you feel comfortable at the same time?
        2. genisis
          genisis 21 January 2014 17: 42
          -2
          This letter was sent to karabakhrecords.info last fall. The author, Alexander Karamov, wrote: “I am a Baku Armenian who passed through the Baku pogroms, visited your site and found a mention of his father! In the section “Incomplete list of those killed during the January pogroms in Baku in 1990. and those who died as a result of wounds received during the pogroms ”it is written:“ 120. An Armenian of 50 years, a lieutenant colonel of medical service, was held as a hostage at the headquarters of the Popular Front of the Kirovsky district. He was killed on January 16, 1990. The corpse was thrown out of the window. "
          This is about him! Only here there are two inaccuracies: 1. He was then not 50, but 67 years old (he always, and even now, looked younger than his age); 2. Being held hostage, seizing the moment, he jumped from the 4th floor and SURVIVED! This is a retired medical service lieutenant colonel, Great Patriotic War veteran Grigory Aleksandrovich Karamov, who lived in Baku at 8 avenue 22, apt. 3, is now alive, and lives in the USA. Also found mention of him in the film “Ordinary Genocide. Baku, January 13-19, 1990 ″ in the 23rd minute. “The lieutenant colonel of the medical service, in the Kirovsky district, was thrown (jumped) from the balcony” - this is exactly about him, there are no such coincidences! Today I spoke with him and told everything. He asked me to write to you. He also asked me to say that he remembers everything and is ready for an interview. June 25th marks his 91st birthday (so hurry up ...). I myself lived on the street. Ketskhoveli 118 in the house of my grandfather - the famous children's doctor Ivan Danilovich Sarumov. ”
          The crew of the project “Ordinary Genocide” visited Grigory Aleksandrovich Karamov, currently living in the city of Springfield
          (Massachusetts, USA), and recorded the story of a man whose fate can be called truly unique ...
          1. smile
            smile 21 January 2014 20: 38
            +2
            genisis
            Well, why are you doing this? There were gangs of looters and pogromists, they attacked the troops — these are the colleagues who visited me, and in the end they shot the soldiers. Who!
            All. Enough. Do you not? So you really want to whitewash bandits, murderers and pogromists? Or did the evil Russians shoot themselves and kill and rob Russian women and children?
            Or maybe some fighters for national democracy are rabid dogs. subject to destruction? And someone here also requires us to repent? Repent yourself - when you repent for crimes, we repent for responding with fire to the fire and stop the brutalized mob of bandits and murderers, regardless of their nationality. Although ..... for example, I can still apologize now - I apologize to the freaks, thugs, rapists, terrorists and murderers for the fact that our soldiers sometimes responded with force to violence and saved people from them. as they say - sorry, not enough. :))) Are you satisfied?

            I deliberately do not mention the Armenians because you there have been enough shitting to each other to poke each other with evidence until you turn blue. And I deliberately do not raise this topic, because until you touch us, this is your business. My opponent touched us - and I answered.
            1. genisis
              genisis 21 January 2014 21: 45
              -1
              Yes, actually I am not for you. I am your Azerbaijani colleague. Which was at that time 13 / 01-20 / 01/1990 in Baku. And did not see anything. No murder, no violence, no robbery.
              And his vision was opened only when the Soviet troops finally began to restore order. Well, the beasts piled a bit.
              So they go to bow to them. They are considered heroes.
              They moan, they say, "January is black".



              And I just can’t understand how the Azerbaijani version explains the deployment of troops in Baku? What was he for? Who were the paratroopers stopping? Civilians? Why did 29 Soviet soldiers die? Almost everything with a firearm. How many civilians shot them?
              1. smile
                smile 21 January 2014 23: 01
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                genisis
                Oh, sorry, I braked ... the prolapse came out. I will try to be more careful. Therefore, I redirect my words to your opponent.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 22 January 2014 11: 37
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                Quote: genisis
                Which was at that time 13 / 01-20 / 01/1990 in Buck

                there was no need to brew this porridge .. and what did you think - you can drive the Azerbaijanis away, and they will come to Baku and see how well the local Armenians live well and will calmly look at it. It’s possible for you, but not for us. Oh, what You are fluffy and kind.
                why died, look at the volumes of the criminal case. so why not a single civilian was caught.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 21 January 2014 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: smersh70
      The truth is that more people died there than in Vilnius or Tbilisi ... and the matter is not in quantity.

      Of course, not in this, but IN WHO, AND WHO KILLED ...
      In your opinion, the "bloody gebnya" burst into "sleeping, peaceful Baku" and ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 22 January 2014 11: 38
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        Quote: Corsair
        In your opinion, the "bloody gebnya" burst into "sleeping, peaceful Baku" and ...

        Well, you guys give how it’s going, Gorbach himself admitted his mistake in his book, and you defend him instead. CLASS.
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  6. amigo1969
    amigo1969 21 January 2014 10: 22
    +4
    Well, damn it, I almost spat on the laptop screen, looking at this photo !!!!!! Filth !!
  7. SkippeR08RUS
    SkippeR08RUS 21 January 2014 10: 32
    +3
    These so-called kings - the real traitors, thieves! Ruined a great country! And in fact it’s time for administrators to prohibit the publication of such articles, we are engaged in PR!
  8. Crrusader40
    Crrusader40 21 January 2014 11: 05
    +6
    one began to destroy the country, the other finished off that one, that the second-both their ..
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 January 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Yes, no Gorbachev is not a traitor, at least not in the sense, as many people understand, an ordinary far-off collective farmer who crawled out of his village and, by the will of fate, ended up in the highest echelons of power, a sort of ordinary fool who can be bred into anything that’s two fingers about asphalt. I imagine such a type, an ordinary, far-fetched vanka from the village of Vasyuki. He should be flattered a little and he already hung his ears and rejoices. And here is such a Bear from Vasyuki, whose top is the capture of some workshop for sharpening pins. And his circle of communication, a locksmith Petrovich, and a milkmaid Praskovya. And then he fell against the wolves of the former State Deputies and the CIA, who already ate the dog due to his duty on flattery and deceit. What can he do as a person who is quite limited and greedy for flattery? maybe by the way he still apparently didn’t understand what he did and why the Russian people hate him so much, that is. he physically senses this, and therefore fled to Germany, but he still did not understand the essence, nor did he understand that he had been corrupted, and now they are holding him like a monkey that can be shown and neighing to friends over it.
    Yeltsin is generally a sick alcoholic man, what demand can there be from a chronically drinking person? He will sign any document that he hands him, for him the whole world is limited to Bottle and Glass, what kind of politician is he? What did he do? Yes, he did nothing, he thumped, danced , deregulated by an arkestrom, and there is nothing more to remember.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 21 January 2014 11: 51
      +5
      with a drinker in great demand. According to the law, state of intoxication is a factor aggravating a crime. but simply appearing drunk in a public place is an offense.
    2. dmb
      dmb 21 January 2014 11: 55
      +4
      It seems to me that you are somewhat simplistic in your assessment of these two. Well, first of all: "The king is made by the retinue." In this regard, it is noteworthy that, apart from the heads of the State Emergency Committee and the smelly "architect" Yakovlev, we simply do not remember anyone from the then leadership of the country (and they were remembered for their mediocrity). Even if you take the "mummies" from the Brezhnev Politburo, they were more personal than Gorbachev's entourage, which actually led the country to collapse. To understand the reasons for this and develop a countermeasure mechanism, the only thing that can help Russia survive and take its rightful place in the world.
  10. AVV
    AVV 21 January 2014 11: 43
    +2
    Quote: Crusader40
    one began to destroy the country, the other finished off that one, that the second-both their ..

    That one traitor of the people, and the other shame of the people !!! This is our story anyway, and how many losses from the actions of these statesmen were known only to the Almighty !!!
  11. cayman gene
    cayman gene 21 January 2014 12: 13
    +8
    But Gorbachev was not a bad assistant to the combine operator. if he were smarter, he would have risen to the deputy chairman of the collective farm, would become a respected person.
  12. Neophyte
    Neophyte 21 January 2014 12: 56
    +2
    We need 2 guns, each cram / you can cram live / and shoot towards Gay Europe.
  13. not good
    not good 21 January 2014 14: 00
    +1
    Every nation deserves the government that it has! We got the talker-humpbacked and Yeltsin-drunk deservedly. The deputies elected Gorbachev as president, our deputies elected, and Yeltsin chose the country with her heart (as it turned out, the heart was in train) We are too good and blithely lived, and at that time they thought for us upstairs and everything would be fine, but relaxed at the top, and WE were sleeping at the bottom. And when we woke up, it turned out that they had already taken us away ...
  14. unclevad
    unclevad 21 January 2014 14: 00
    +5
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Both Uncle Sam spread both suckers ...


    Nobody bred them. Sold offal. Gorbi flew off the presidency, so he organized his foundation. And what a foreign show for him they threw on his anniversary! Crazy money spent. But I don’t want to talk about EBN after Yugoslavia. I'm not saying what they did in the USSR / Russia. A shame!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 January 2014 05: 33
      +6
      It was one thing to make a thimble at the bazaar, and another thing to do was to make a head of state; accordingly, state losses!
  15. Ihrek
    Ihrek 21 January 2014 14: 03
    +10
    These two caused damage to the country more than during the Second World War, both material and human.
    1. dag 05.ru
      dag 05.ru 21 January 2014 19: 36
      +2
      Yes, no less. Only Hitler inflicted this damage with malicious intent, and these two with good (although not a fact).
  16. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 January 2014 15: 48
    +4
    Yeltsin is looking forward to a hunchback
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 21 January 2014 17: 15
      +1
      good Picture - Otpad !!!!
  17. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 21 January 2014 17: 11
    +2
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Yes, no Gorbachev is not a traitor, at least not in the sense, as many understand, the ordinary far-sighted collective farmer who crawled out of his village

    Yes, this is not a traitor? He was bought with giblets and the fact that he changed his ideology according to his convictions is complete nonsense that he now bears to justify his betrayal am If I knew what would end, I would shoot without remorse (especially since there was such an opportunity), only then I did not understand this and how many listened to his idle talk.
  18. Radoslav
    Radoslav 21 January 2014 17: 45
    +3
    These are not the kings of the Russian State, these are the Jews, traitors to our Motherland, let them perish in the "summer", cursed by all future generations of RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
  19. kosmos84
    kosmos84 21 January 2014 19: 27
    +3
    2 3.14 a gift and not a king am
  20. Altona
    Altona 21 January 2014 20: 19
    +2
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Yes, no Gorbachev is not a traitor, at least not in the sense, as many people understand, an ordinary far-off collective farmer who crawled out of his village and, by the will of fate, ended up in the highest echelons of power, a sort of ordinary fool who can be bred into anything that’s two fingers about asphalt.

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    Simplicity is worse than theft ... Both of them, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, stand each other ... One has the tongue as the reel of a NIVA combine, the other has its face like a red brick in the masonry of the Kremlin wall ... THEY deserve almost all the words starting with PR- Traitor, Drunkard, Criminal, Provocateur, Despicable, Damned, Blotter, Scoundrel, Prostitute, Prokhindey ... Something like these synonyms are selected ... Well, SIMPLY of course ...
  21. Altona
    Altona 21 January 2014 21: 34
    +2
    Quote: unclevad
    Nobody bred them. Sold offal. Gorbi flew off the presidency, so he organized his foundation. And what a foreign show for him they threw on his anniversary! Crazy money spent. But I don’t want to talk about EBN after Yugoslavia. I'm not saying what they did in the USSR / Russia. A shame!

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    It seems like through Helmut Kohl (a master of underground finance) Mishanka was given 430 million marks for such a dirty "job". He seems to have worked these pieces of silver in full, and he lives now, of course, in the FRG ... My acquaintances wrote to me that the Germans, the townsfolk, consider him a goat, not a "beacon of democracy", I quote almost literally: "a normal person does not sell his homeland." ...
  22. ko88
    ko88 21 January 2014 22: 19
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    For some reason, Yeltsin does not cause such a negative, although it fully deserves! There are many sins.