Rogozin: Putin supported the creation of a state-owned concern of the ACS, communications and intelligence

Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the proposal to create a powerful state-owned concern Automated Control Systems (ACS), communications and intelligence, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Friday.

“Vladimir Putin supported our proposal to create a powerful state-owned concern for the automated control system, communications and intelligence. In addition, the Concern Automatics, Radio Concern Vega, Concern Sozvezdie, Control Systems and the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Central Research Institute of Economics, Informatics and Control Systems will be included in the structure of ROSTECH State Corporation, Rogozin wrote (spelling and punctuation saved - note. VIEW) on your Facebook page.
“Thus, we are completing the restructuring of the radio-electronic industry of the domestic defense industry and we are concentrating intellectual and production resources in the areas of development, production, warranty and after-sales service, modernization, repair and disposal of communications equipment and facilities, cryptographic equipment, automated control systems, radio-electronic and radar reconnaissance”, - continued vice-premier.

He added that the final appearance of the concern to be created will be discussed by the Military Industrial Commission under the Russian government.

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[GreatRussia]

...powerful state concern Automated control systems (ACS), communications and intelligence, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Friday.

Another strong decision, following the establishment of the Kalashnikov concern within the framework of state corporations "Russian Technologies"!

[AVV]

There is an enlargement of the public sector by the creation of concerns, so that it would not be possible, as in the 90s, to privatize and bankrupt individual defense industry enterprises that are of great importance to the state !!! The decision is timely and correct!

[leks]

So it is like that, no one argues that this is bad, but the state will later privatize all these state corporations, as soon as everything is debugged there and everything goes self-sustaining, the state will immediately carry out privatization and unfortunately it is waiting for all state corporations.

[APASUS]

Quote: GreatRussia

Another strong decision, following the creation of the Kalashnikov concern within the framework of the Russian Technologies State Corporation!

For me, this is another state superstructure !!
There are no reasons that prevent the state from supporting enterprises producing ACSs individually, why should this be done within state corporations?
After all, within the framework of one UAC, there were no less problems, the latest scandals with an attempt to repulse the MIG’s order for the production of a light fighter are generally nonsense, but in fact one enterprise is pulling a blanket over itself using its director Pogasyan. Talk about what amounts are lost to the state corporation Rusnano I don’t want, I don’t see the point!
Like in one joke
RUSNANO - this is maxi costs
and a mini result!

[alone]

proposal to create a powerful state-owned concern Automated Control Systems (ACS), communications and intelligence, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Friday.

My opinion is that there is a phased monopolization of the military-industrial complex structures, where one concern will be responsible for each specific industry with the support of the state. The result may be the development of a certain industry, but there is one minus. The development of a particular industry depends on healthy competition, where are several centers
they work autonomously on a particular problem and at the end, through analysis, a likely correct solution is found.

[cdrt]

Quote: lonely

proposal to create a powerful state-owned concern Automated Control Systems (ACS), communications and intelligence, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Friday.

My opinion is that there is a phased monopolization of the military-industrial complex structures, where one concern will be responsible for each specific industry with the support of the state. The result may be the development of a certain industry, but there is one minus. The development of a particular industry depends on healthy competition, where are several centers
they work autonomously on a particular problem and at the end, through analysis, a likely correct solution is found.

I agree - monopoly is usually the first step to decay. It really can take some time, but as a rule it happens ...

[Pinochet000]

Quote: APASUS

For me, this is another state superstructure !!

Or maybe it came to understand that Automated Control Systems (ACS), communications and intelligence is a single concept))

[igor.borov775]

Hi, All the so-called liberals that have entrenched themselves in the upper echelons of power applaud you, It is very nice that there are still chicks of a failed theory, Bravo !!!! How many more such experts who plump without even bothering to think a little, Immediately yeah they saw, The most nothing interesting to cut there already, Super efficient managers have long dealt with this problem, Almost now fragments of what is still warming are collected, The head office is well equipped but the suppliers have a problem, they are almost dead, you never wondered why many products have a very long time although manufacturers are here with us, When mechanical engineering collapsed, it is difficult to expect good results, It was this constituent industry that was so successfully privatized and also successfully bankrupt, Tener liberals puffing their cheeks together now we have to go further and the state has nothing to do in this field, Liberals crushing power and even she is not against the supposed opinion of voters supposedly it is necessary to completely leave the economy, and therefore they can’t offer more than they fuss with the privatization of the remaining profitable industries, Yes, and if you carefully look at all their plans and drop the verbal husk, you can see nothing from the nit; everyone wants the situation that the other side offers, there is a watershed and it increases between them, and look carefully at the list of those structures that begin to enter the State Corporation there are most private joint-stock companies, giant efforts are being made not to ditch them, To this we must add that the laws during complete domination liberals are written so you need to be very careful not to violate them, Here they succeed one hundred percent, And the failed Academician generally tries not to attract attention, After he got a ride, he said such an Academy of Russia wasn’t needed, it’s torn off about CHUBAIS a solid piece of funding for the RAS, it successfully moves science, rest assured it will make breakthrough technology, especially not to take up experience, It’s bad that his prophecy about the RAS comes true quickly, nothing can be done by the authorities in their hands because they rule, I’m only offended by such noble goals and such a result everywhere, And it seems like the result is positive but why the negative effect is much higher and stronger, Now it’s not the 20th century, and sometimes it seems nothing has changed, Lessons are completely forgotten and thrown into the dustbin of history, But sometimes the bright side also skips when laws really become laws, I mean the pension there is completely forbidden by the Ministry of Finance to intervene in this law know this is really good news, Maybe we will survive and the laws adopted will correct life will show

[ShturmKGB]

Time to collect everything ...

[igor.borov775]

Yes, they are not in a hurry to collect everything. Do you remember the words of the President that it needs to mature, Just a lot of time is spent on agreeing and shaking up all the issues, And do not forget that you still need a positive decision of all, Approval does not mean creating is just a plan, Until they are agreed and all the desire was signed by the vice prime minister, he must notice the life of senior officials, he constantly complicates it, and that it’s strange there is a result and not bad for the country as a whole, I’m worried about the only question how such a person managed to get there,

[ZU-23]

It must be so. Let electronic engineers develop, this is more important than writing applications for smartphones.

[mirag2]

The bird is clear !!!!!!!!!!

[Jurkovs]

Well, why are such obvious things being done so slowly.

[ZU-23]

Well, it’s not so simple, Rogozin needs to pick up the staff first and a whole bunch of problems, here and so he’s aching half the country and don’t understand how important the army and defense are to us. Immediately you will not throw money at all, or you will not follow how everything will be pulled away and that then you will immediately plant everyone.

[mirag2]

Yes, half of the country whines that everyone is in collapse, half of the country with Sobchak at the head is dreaming of dumping and from behind the hill to be creative and "open" our eyes to what kind of avne we live in, another part, prompted by an echo, dreams of splitting up the Ural ridge , and only a small part that has the honor tries to work, to be useful in its place, and thinks that their homeland is here, and not in Europe, or the promised land, and is trying to improve it.

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: Jurkovs

Well, why are such obvious things being done so slowly.

Well, we are in Russia!

[atalef]

Quote: tronin.maxim

Quote: Jurkovs

Well, why are such obvious things being done so slowly.

Well, we are in Russia!

[Orakyl]

Fast only in rabbits. It is necessary to worry about what the patriots and professionals of their business would manage. And then there is already a sad experience, in the person of the traitor of the homeland Serdyukov, such as he turn any sound idea into an absurdity.

[vladimirZ]

... It is necessary to worry about what the patriots and professionals of their business would manage. And then there is already a sad experience, in the person of the traitor of the homeland Serdyukov ...

And for this it is necessary to reorganize the state property management system, i.e. the public sector of the economy, starting with the Government of the Russian Federation, having expelled from it all non-specialist ministers, including the prime minister. Restore branch ministries managing their subordinate enterprises in order to implement state programs for the development of the sector.

[Nitarius]

Quote: Jurkovs

Well, why are such obvious things being done so slowly.

You shouldn’t be so! It seems to you from the point of view of the BROADCASTOR ONCE TWO and READY!
It is necessary to work out a LOT of joint documents, work out a strategy, the functions of each member, etc.
This is the house you rearranged the CHAIR and mustache!
When the creation of the One is in progress, MUCH time and POWER are required.

[scientist]

The solution is very good. It is high time to unite ACS, communications and intelligence in order to remove unnecessary competition within the state. The main competitors, international corporations, will still remain, which is quite enough to stimulate development. If only there were fewer "effective managers" in the management, so that after a couple of years it would not be found out that they wanted the best, but it turned out as always.

[old rocket man]

Quote: scientist

If only there were fewer "effective managers" in the management, so that after a couple of years it would not be found out that they wanted the best, but it turned out as always.

Already, it has already become clear on the example of the creation of the Avtomatika concern, all the management at our plant changed to "efficient" ones, and the design bureau was completely ditched. All development was concentrated in the "Scientific Research Institute" Avtomatika "" (Moscow), which never had its own production. Now " ready-made "drawings (to-t of working documentation) arrive at the backwaters, it takes more than a year to start, I will not lie, in general, it is a good product, in a series, there are no salaries from low steel, the specialists have fled, now there is no one to do even warranty repairs

[Stinger]

Already. In the “Management Systems”, one of the brothers - the oligarchs, is headed by banker Alexei Ananyev. He does not even know what it is about. It is unlikely to distinguish a rail from a telephone receiver. Here is his credo: Alexei ANANYEV: "A significant amount of state investment in the defense industry must be strengthened by effective production management." Recover to the point that in two years all the engineers fled.

[Criceta]

Well you, he’s a little more than a year general with Systems ... So for a year ...

[scientist]

To put at the head of important, but low-profit bodies and organizations of oligarchs, long-tried international experience. In most cases, quite effective. The oligarch receives guarantees for his capital and, of course, will not be exchanged for petty corruption and theft from enterprises at the risk of losing his fortune.

[Mikhail3]

A logical result. The financier sees the only way to improve any production (he does not understand the difference between them, no matter what he says) - to reduce the line "costs". He cannot offer anything else, and this is of fundamental importance.
Even with the best intentions, the financier, in principle, is not able to raise any production. This is determined by a simple truth - any financial specialist is an extremely uneducated person if he studied only finance. Because the economy itself is not a science by itself (the shaft of unsecured money, rolling from edge to edge of the world economy, completely devalued the observations accumulated over the centuries. It makes no sense to count on anything if at any moment some "investor" can radically change the situation in the entire industry or even in the entire economy of an entire country. Who in the subject can recall the omission of the whole of England by one person. How did all of its production help England?).
So the money specialist must be endowed with cunning, anger and meanness. He must also be slippery like a soapy eel and also learn the wildly complicated fenya, which is customary to communicate in the world of finance. As befits "thieves' music" from the ages, the main thing in a hairdryer is that the fuckers do not understand, and not the need for terminology. All. Which of the qualities, knowledge and skills I have listed are necessary for raising production? You can search with a magnifying glass ...
So, having come into production, such a specialist first of all fires engineers. This is completely natural, engineers are expenses. Moreover, the costs, the source, purpose and goals of which the financier is not able to realize due to an undeveloped mind, weak outlook and a general inability to think outside the framework of the usual robbery. So he instantly responds to the "shameless demands" of his engineers the way he is used to in the business world - he tries to bend them. And they have nowhere to bend, they are not dealing with theft, but with mechanics, electronics and physics. And they can only move away from their estimates in the direction of increasing, because below physics destroys their work in general. Well, the banker acts as he used to, again, he simply has no choice within the framework of his skills. He kicks out these engineers and starts looking for cheaper engineers. But the struggle of painted money with the non-fake laws of nature is doomed. Then the banker finally plunders and destroys production "in order to recover his expenses" and escapes.
Rostec’s attempt to raise production using financial employees in executive positions is doomed. It's just an incredibly expensive way to permanently destroy this very production ...

[scientist]

Perhaps you are right. If the financier becomes the head of the organization, then with him, of course, you need to appoint an intelligent chief engineer. Then there will be a balance between technology and the economy. But while the main scourge of production is theft and corruption on the part of the customer and inspection bodies. Therefore, what I said above is sometimes justified.

[HAM]

Dear Dmitry Olegovich, please write your posts on the domestic "MAIL.RU", and not on the enemy territory of the muzzle.

[series]

It begs the wish that the next stage in the development of defense
(as well as aircraft and missile-building) state concerns was the acquisition of large packages of core foreign assets ...
That would allow not only to adopt the best practices, technologies and developments, but also actively promote their products in the world market.

[old rocket man]

Quote: S-200

That would allow not only to adopt the best practices, technologies and developments, but also actively promote their products in the world market.

Only @diots can sell encryption technology in the "world market".
These are top-secret technologies of state secret of special importance.

[scientist]

The cryptographic equipment market is very large and is developing faster than all high-tech industries. Largely thanks to the revelations of Snowden. The only problem is that the scammers, shell and spy companies in this market the most. It is very easy to create encryption equipment, but it is very difficult to correctly verify the parameters and prove its reliability. This process is often more expensive and longer even than the development itself.

[nazgul-ishe]

wonderful undertaking. It’s a pity that it will slide down to the next feeding trough for the right people, like Skolkovo, NANO and others.

[calocha]

Excellent solution !!! Communication should always be at a high level, and intelligence is the main thing in battle!

[Cpa]

Quote: calocha

intelligence is the main thing in battle!

Sometimes, it’s better before the fight, or instead.

[kelevra]

A timely and necessary concern! But Rogozin, well done, is breaking through such projects that are advantageous for the Russian army, an intelligent prime minister.

[not good]

I could still promote personnel from professionals, and it would be better to promote a personnel selection program based on scientifically based criteria for the person planned for the position. As long as we have a criterion for the appointment, one is proximity to the body.

[the polar]

All this, of course, may result in something good, but it would be even better if the "rogozins" were puzzled by the creation of an automated control system for centralized planning of strategic industries and an automated control system for monitoring financial transactions in the banking system

[scientist]

There are good IT development expert systems for this. True, in the economy and the banking sector, such expert systems are mainly used in the United States and some European countries where a truly transparent economy exists. Almost half of our economy works on the withdrawal of capital, the enrichment of officials and oligarchs. Therefore, no one will allow the development of such systems in our country. This requires great political will and administrative resources, which not only Rogozin does not have, but even Putin may not have enough.

[Rash]

Quote: Orakyl

Fast only in rabbits. It is necessary to worry about what the patriots and professionals of their business would manage. And then there is already a sad experience, in the person of the traitor of the homeland Serdyukov, such as he turn any sound idea into an absurdity.

And also Popovkin.

[moremansf]

This decision has been asking for a long time ... we are far behind in this form of the military-industrial complex, we need to go forward !!! Let's hope that this will add competent placement of personnel and control of military acceptance ...

[Aristarch]

Well, finally, this direction should be a priority, I am glad that the list includes the Vega concern, in the old days it also produced good civilian products. And respect to Dmitry Anatolyevich.

[Koryak]

Seven nannies have a child without an eye .....

[stranik72]

Quote: GreatRussia

...powerful state concern Automated control systems (ACS), communications and intelligence, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Friday.

Another strong decision, following the establishment of the Kalashnikov concern within the framework of state corporations "Russian Technologies"!

Not a fact, remember the KLA, BP, etc. look at how much they owe to the state. So, without proper demand for the results of work with managers and control over the novelty and their profitability, this decision is half-hearted, and therefore not effective.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Lord Officers! As for our electronics, let's bet. ISS is the parent company for the production of GOOD satellites of the entire spectrum of applications. If you are not too lazy, go on the Internet.

[Cpa]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Lord Officers! As for our electronics, let's bet. ISS is the parent company for the production of GOOD satellites of the entire spectrum of applications. If you are not too lazy, go on the Internet.

Currently, preparations are underway for signing an agreement on the supply to the enterprise of a star orientation device from Jena Optronik (Germany). The old partner of the Reshetnev company for the supply of optoelectronic equipment is the French company Sodern. However, the company is interested in expanding the list of potential suppliers of high-precision optical devices. Within the framework of the agreement, a foreign organization will provide the Astro APS star orientation device. It is planned to be installed on one of the Glonass-M navigation spacecraft.
In addition, the German company will provide the specialists of ISS with the necessary test equipment. For its part, the Reshetnev firm guarantees the integration and launch of the instrument as part of the satellite, as well as providing developers with information about its work in space.

Here's more about our items.

ISS named after academician M.F. Reshetneva and the French company Saft signed a contract for the supply of lithium-ion batteries for the spacecraft Express-AT1, Express-AM8, created by the company for FSUE Space Communication.
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru

[Cpa]

Now they will gather in a pile, stock up on boxes of Taiwanese microcircuits and give birth to an ACS network that has no analogues in the world, based on the unique WI-FI protocol. Then they will buy laptops with monitors, replace tags with them and cheerfully report on the spent funds. And then try not to accept or claim with a complaint put forward, the epaulette will be lost. And so that a scientific thought is visible, they will compile a couple of articles from foreign IT and radio magazines.
Until now, they cannot implement a flexible antenna in the infantry, what kind of nanotechnology is there. And if you imagine that we will refuse the telegraph in an instant, in favor of the standard PD protocols, then the hair starts to move. Well, now what about the alarm with mobile phones and it doesn’t bother anyone.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

It looks like you are not aware of the development of the element base of radio electronics. Maybe you will have enough to find fault with Russian electronics? So far it is bad with us, that it is still on the lamps. I will not go into details, not my topic. However, "Ash", "Borey", Il-476, T-50, Yak-130. I can draw more .Chinese parts and microcircuits? Don't tell my hooves! You just need to know a little and respect the country in which you live. We are used to finding fault. Look around. Do not dwell on yourself, beloved. Well, we are climbing. Slowly, but we are going up. We will not bleed to heal wounds. Gone. The bear will soon be tender. roar. And it will be bad for those who vyaknet against. IMHO!

[Cpa]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

It seems that you are not aware of the development of the electronics element base

Well enlighten the military signalman.

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Maybe enough already to blame the Russian electronics?

While it is only in prototypes at exhibitions.

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Look around.

Go to the "constellation" site in the section for purchasing the element base.
All that I wrote about was in my own skin, so no labels are needed.

[Cpa]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

You just need to know and respect a little the country in which you live.

And I was also born in it, which means this is my Motherland and I won't shout "hurray" to traitors. They say they finish, and it's time to start. Communication has long and purposefully descended into the abyss. But managers also make money on this process, now they want to buy wearable stations of the last century at 370 rubles apiece, passing them off as advanced. And since the leadership does not fumble about this, this field of miracles is simple.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

I don’t hang up labels. I’ve been brought up wrong. Go to the website of ISS OJSC (NPO PM). Your connection (I’m sorry) is the day before yesterday.

[scientist]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Go to the site of JSC ISS

I know about your nine firsthand. He studied not far and friends work there. Just do not understand where does the production of platforms for the spacecraft, this is the main specialization of JSC ISS and communication technology to which this company has no relation whatsoever. By the way, it was precisely because of the failure of the orientation system on the platform that the KazSat-1 satellite was lost, and even your insurance was not paid. Therefore, during the tender, I and my specialists were categorically against working with the Khrunichevo Scientific and Research Center and its outdated technologies and preferred RKK Energia. But who would listen to us when the managers of Khrunichev got used to solve their problems with bribes.

[Cpa]

I went in, comment above, and have you seen the requirements for constellation vendors?

[zvereok]

She is not bad with us, but somewhat backward.

But this is not about that. Where are the citizens who Rogozin hated after three or six months of appointment to a new post? For me, so after he planted Poplar at NATO headquarters - well done.

[alone]

However, the diameter of the face is getting bigger and bigger every day. You wouldn’t be in a diet, Mr. Rogozin)

[Criceta]

ROSTEKH concern has the main interest in the enterprises included in it - non-core assets. Recreation facilities for workers, land, buildings in the city center. And naturally, all this is immediately sold as soon as the organization is included in ROSTEKH. So the hard workers are left without recreation facilities, the areas in the central regions are withdrawn - enterprises are moving to the outskirts ... That's such a joy.

[Zomanus]

The decision is right. Replaces those chains of intermediaries that were in the USSR. Now the chain cannot be broken, having outbid or bankrupt individual links. And given the fact that communications and intelligence are now very much dependent on the level of electronics, we are waiting for development in this plane.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Quote: scientist

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Go to the site of JSC ISS

I know about your nine firsthand. He studied not far and friends work there. Just do not understand where does the production of platforms for the spacecraft, this is the main specialization of JSC ISS and communication technology to which this company has no relation whatsoever. By the way, it was precisely because of the failure of the orientation system on the platform that the KazSat-1 satellite was lost, and even your insurance was not paid. Therefore, during the tender, I and my specialists were categorically against working with the Khrunichevo Scientific and Research Center and its outdated technologies and preferred RKK Energia. But who would listen to us when the managers of Khrunichev got used to solve their problems with bribes.

Yes. Specialization at KA. Are you aware that NPO PM is becoming a powerful manufacturer of space systems? If not, talk with your friends in Zheleznogorsk. And who supplied the iron for the orientation system? Didn’t you? Ours started to do everything for the satellites in the 13th year. Due to the fact that the deliveries were defective. Therefore, a decision was made -to produce everything ourselves. And about Khrunichev, our specialists never ran into colleagues. You are in the topic. If it weren’t for the specialists of the NGO PM, we would already be in the Stone Age. And now, on the topic of electronics! Knowledge of the theory does not mean its tactical application. Drive further, and, by the way, call your acquaintances in the nine. You will learn a lot.

[Simonov]

igor.borov775 "... They are sawing right away, The most interesting thing is there is nothing to cut, Super effective managers have long ago dealt with this problem, ..."
There is still something to saw, there is! As soon as there is nothing to cut, they themselves will jump off the topic! To the Maldives, shmaldivy, London ...
Remains in the country, as in an empty apartment - only "rough finish".

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Sergei! Give you a saw? What are you all-sawing, sawing ...

[rocketman]

Quote: APASUS

For me, this is another state superstructure !! There are no reasons that prevent the state from supporting enterprises producing ACSs individually, why should this be done within state corporations?

Because all ACS must be unified. ACS aviation, fleet, air defense, Strategic Missile Forces, SV should be on the same e-base, should be quietly combined and build up depending on the situation.
And then how Unas in Ukraine - they put three computers, three different programs, three mice, three blocks, three keys to the operative - and I sit like an "electro-chest" all in wires, I'm afraid to move my foot ... I'm generally afraid to talk about ergonomics. An automatic decision support system should be developed, and much more ... All this can be done only under a single leadership. Otherwise, everyone will bite their carrots (budget funds), but to no avail - zero!

[konvalval]

The experience of warfare shows that one of the weak points is the interaction, communication and lack of intelligence. We hope that the creation of the concern will solve these problems.