Uzbek citizens complain about "paid army"

In Uzbekistan, service in the armed forces, even urgent, is very prestigious, but not everyone can get into the army: they give bribes in the country not for “retreat”, but for a medical examination and serve a year in the military.

At 30, the millions of Uzbekistan’s population accounts for just over 60 thousands of employees in the ground forces, air force, air defense and internal troops. It is noted that this is one of the most combat-ready armies in Central Asia, and the large size of the draft contingent allows you to select the best young men for service.

According to the "Exchange Herald" and "Ozodlik" (Uzbekistan branch of "Radio Liberty"), the bribery flourishes in the draft commissions for the 22 anniversary of the armed forces of Uzbekistan. "In Soviet times, we were forced to go to serve, and now, even if you want, the army does not need you," said one of the Ozodi listeners. Many mothers complain that their healthy sons are not taken to the army, and then through intermediaries they offer to “solve the problem” for $ 300, which is very big money for Uzbekistan.

20-year-old Salokh from the Bulungur district of the Samarkand region told the “Exchange Leader” that he had traveled to Russia to earn $ 500-600 for a bribe at the medical board. At the same time, Zabihullah from the city of Kokand stated that he wanted to re-pass the medical examination after he was "rejected" because of his height: the medical board decided that 175 centimeters are too few for military service.

It is noted that the year of military service in the army provides a number of advantages after demobilization: in particular, those who have served are given 27 percent of points when passing examination tests to universities. In the middle of 2000-s, the government of Uzbekistan obliged the Ministry of Labor to provide work for all retired military personnel, and in order to get into the National Security Service (NSS), the tax and customs services, the police and the prosecutor's office again need to serve in the army. It is noted that those who served in the army are given preferences when they start a career in other state bodies.

The “Market Bulletin” claims that the facts of bribery when enrolling in the army well illustrate the prevalence of corruption of the entire state apparatus of the country. However, in the republic itself they are trying to fight it. For example, in 2012, the head of the defense department of the Syrdarya region, Roman An, was arrested for receiving a bribe of $ 400 from a draftee who wanted to join the army.

Comments

[Kibalchish]

Order will not be in Central Asia until the Master’s stiff hand returns.

[a52333]

Even if he returns, there will be no order. Remember the case of the USSR? Adylova? not sure when the whole area was in the slave system. Own prisons, etc. And all this in 80-! ¡!! Mentality.

[smersh70]

Quote: a52333

Remember the case of the USSR? Adylova?

. And here Adylov ..... and here the USSR .. take the topic the other way ... here about the army .... it’s better to give bribes to serve in the army than to give bribes and squint from the army .... .....

[knn54]

-smersh70: it’s better to give bribes to serve in the army than to give bribes and squint from the army ...
Vurgun, the bribe remains Bribe, Baksh, Khabar. So corruption begins.
The Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan will gladly unfasten it - for it it is not money ... and will receive a fighter obliged to him!
PS About 5 years ago we had the same excitement, especially in Western Ukraine. Many of those who served joined the ranks of peacekeepers.
Let them try to conduct an experiment with their weapons. The truth in Galicia, this event did not help (joke).

[smersh70]

Quote: knn54

Bribe, baks, swag

LLC what sweet words You forgot one more - Hormet. (Respect). All the CIS police, where our foot enters, know very well ....

[Alekseev]

Quote: smersh70

. Take the topic the other way ... here about the army .... it’s better to give bribes to serve in the army than to give bribes and squint from the army ...

Yes, it’s better not to leave the topic. Once they seek urgent service, it means that the state has set the matter so that all citizens recognize that it is a duty, that it is necessary, that without it there is nowhere. Apparently, there is also order and discipline in the troops at a certain proper level.
In general, you need to study the experience and the best for yourself.

[Scoun]

Quote: a52333

there will be no order.

+100500 in Uzbekistan in its current form there will be no order, there is a very large imbalance in the regions and valleys in mentality and other "prochastam" ...

For example, in 2012, the head of the defense department of the Syrdarya region, Roman An, was arrested for receiving a bribe of $ 400 from a conscript who wanted to join the army.

For example, Roman Ahn, a Korean, was removed to put his man in the bread place and that’s all! and bribes there are not estimated at 400 dollars.

[UzRus]

Roman An was removed to put his man in the bread place “It could very well be.” It is possible that the setup.

[sss5.papu]

And how did Roman An get this place?

[alone]

Quote: sss5.papu

And how did Roman An get this place?

)) the question is excellent. do not wait for an answer))

[UzRus]

And cho, do not know how we get a place?

[Lindon]

Quote: Kibalchish

Order will not be in Central Asia until the Master’s stiff hand returns.

In the meantime, Central Asia itself provides humanitarian assistance to Russia by millions of its citizens.

[Hort]

and this despite the fact that at first in the early 90s the Russians themselves were kicked out ...

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: hort

and this despite the fact that at first in the early 90s the Russians themselves were kicked out ...

Those republics that are now dysfunctional drove you, well, they themselves understood that they would drive the Russians away and heal in chocolate but stayed with their dordes, gaster and drugs.

[lukke]

In the RK, of course, there were no open forms of persecution of Russians, all sorts of calls like "don't buy apartments from the Russians, they will leave them themselves" were a rare case. It was much easier to immediately make a qualification for the national language and paperwork, which immediately works like a filter. Well, there all sorts of appointments to leading positions of their own, with the names corresponding, also did not add a desire to remain. I agree - your country and your orders, but tryndet here that in Kazakhstan is so nice and good, too, is not necessary. I well remember the December events in Alma-Ata in 1986 and the corresponding attitude towards us.

[FormerMariman]

Luke!
Remember to remember, but you don’t know the reasons, because I would have known if I were silent in a rag! It would be interesting how the Russians would react if the humpback leader was to appoint Russia the first secretary of the regional party committee of the South Kazakhstan region. Outrageous! But then it was so, the hunchback traitor appointed to lead the republic, about which he knew nothing about the secretary of the regional party committee of the Volgograd Region Comrade Kolbin! From now on, think of what the ignoramus is referring to!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Former Mariman

Remember, remember, but you don’t know the reasons

but let's not confuse the reasons and reason
Forgive me, but those who were in the square were so far from politics and for the most part did not know either Kunaev or Kolbin or Nazorbayev

[FormerMariman]

It is not necessary to sidetrack "reasons-reasons"! And they didn't have to know them! The main thing is that they understood Vladimir, that Gorbach appointed the left passenger to lead the republic. I, as a Russian, did not understand either, but now their behavior seems logical to me. In general, in order to understand, or at least more or less objectively evaluate, it is sometimes useful to put yourself in the shoes of those people whom we are discussing!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Former Mariman

The main thing that they understood Vladimir that the humpback appointed the left passenger to lead the republic

sorry. but nothing the crowd can understand.
that is why there were 99% residents of the hostel

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Former Mariman

The main thing that they understood Vladimir that the humpback appointed the left passenger to lead the republic

sorry. but nothing the crowd can understand.
that is why there were 99% residents of the hostel

[ekzorsist]

And about the reasons, etc. ... and what is not clear?
Or do you not see what they were striving for now?
Here it is, the Kazakhstani dream has come true - a semi-feudal Khan state with a huge police presidium and a bunch of fattening bais.
This is what they achieved with the hands of drunken and stoned thugs from state-owned dorms, which in fact simply robbed and killed everyone in a row. And it’s not necessary to make heroes out of these freaks, how many policemen and military men saved from these creatures and Russians and Kazakhs and Tajiks and all in a row ...
And here you breed - syu-syu, syu-syu ... you need to water these in place and drown in the toilet.

[romb]

This is what they achieved with the hands of drunken and stoned thugs from state-owned dorms, which in fact simply robbed and killed everyone in a row. And it’s not necessary to make heroes out of these freaks, how many policemen and military men saved from these creatures and Russians and Kazakhs and Tajiks and all in a row ..

Kindly tell me the real facts that people robbed and killed everyone in a row. Yes, I do not deny, there were separate episodes on the part of the protesters. But they, had a single character, and were a response to lawlessness on the part of the authorities and a very considerable group of chauvinist-minded lumpen.
I am primarily interested in:
Have you personally been there?
Have you seen this?
Where, when and how many people died?
And then, just take and compare how many of the total number of victims turned out to be people who rallied in the square to them. Brezhnev. Request, I beg you, without verbiage, point to documented confirmed sources (possible in PM).
On my own behalf, I will say that, as an Alma-Ata resident, by virtue of being at that moment, next to the above-mentioned square, visiting close relatives, I was a direct witness of the fact that I clearly did not agree with your heresy. For example, I, at that time just a child, was extremely shocked by the sight - in front of my eyes, several drunken thugs - workers (in the yard, just above Pushkinka) were beaten with scraps of reinforcement of two young Kazakh women. At the same time they shouted: "I am a calbiter for you, with this pipe, now you will." I saw this, and even at one time, I gave evidence on this matter. And here you are, a real pizd @ bol, who are trying to snatch here what he himself has not even seen.
IMHO, such as you, in fact - the usual trash that tries to parasitize at various tragic moments in history.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

Kindly tell me the real facts that people robbed and killed everyone in a row. Yes, I do not deny, there were separate episodes on the part of the protesters. But they, had a single character, and were a response to lawlessness on the part of the authorities and a very considerable handful of chauvinist-minded lumpen. What interests me first of all: Have you personally been there? Have you seen this?

I’ll start from the end - I SAW
examples - the crowd walking along gogol shattered all the windows in the houses on the lower side of the street from kirly-myrla to the tuber to which the cobblestones could throw, beat an elderly man who had the imprudence to try to reason
the crowd marching on gorky smashed all the booths, beat the Kazakhs who refused to fall into the ranks of the "revolutionaries", shook all the shop windows in the supermarket to gorky-furmaniy.
and the slogans were "funny"

[romb]

Firstly, about Gogol - wrong, because educational institutions and hostels were not located on this street, except for ZhenPI, from Seifulin St. to St. Mechnikov. A small group of young people, most of whom were girls, moved up Seifulin up, towards the hostel AZVI (SHI) and Polytechnic.
Secondly, several side windows of the city department store were shattered on Gorky. At the same time, no facts of large-scale massacre and looting are known.
Vladimir, what you have written here is an ordinary propaganda campaign, which took place as a horror story in most central newspapers - "Evening Alma-Ata" Lights of Alatau ", etc.
Tell me, just honestly, as an Almaty citizen, you yourself have personally seen the facts of mass beating by Kazakhs of representatives of other nationalities. Again, I focus on the word "SEE"and not that"Heard"and so on.
I had to communicate with people who were direct participants in those events from two opposite sides. So they say that most of these messages are common fiction aimed at discrediting demonstrators and justifying the use of non-civilized measures to disperse such events - sapper blades, dogs, trimming pipes and fittings, using fire engines and irrigation in winter and etc. etc.
In those days, there were a lot of rumors in the city, which were 99% outright lies.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

Firstly, about Gogol - wrong, because educational institutions and hostels were not located on this street, except for ZhenPI

and let’s not even have an armored troop-carrier had to exhibit on a furry bitter one so that the crowd would not be allowed to go to school 54

Quote: romb

Secondly, several side windows of the city department store were shattered on Gorky. At the same time, no facts of large-scale massacre and looting are known.

Well, if you personally don’t know, then I saw it by the way, not a few windows, but

Quote: romb

As an Almaty resident, you yourself have personally seen the facts of mass beating by Kazakhs of representatives of other nationalities. Again, I focus on the word "SEEN"

I saw the fight, the truth quickly ended for the joy of the attacking party in the park of 28 Panfilov’s men, as my grandfather (Kazakh) was beaten, my mother saw she she was going to work from lunch

Quote: romb

99% were outright lies.

which ones ?!

[romb]

I know pretty well the 54th (Centrava) school. At one time with the graduates of this school, I discussed this issue. Yes, indeed, there were facts of hooliganism. I repeat - I agree on certain facts of hooliganism! But here's the thing, here some make much more serious accusations than the banal damage to socialist property, and some facts of bodily injury of moderate severity. Commentators expose the Kazakhs who came to the square with such assassins, thieves and rapists. That is why, I turned to you with a question to which, unfortunately, I have not yet received an answer, i.e.:

personally saw the facts of mass beatings by Kazakhs of representatives of other nationalities

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

Commentators expose Kazakhs who came to the square with such assassins, thieves and rapists

the problem is that there were no "murderers, rapists and thieves" on the square, there was a CROWD in the square, and this is much worse than the crowd has no reason and, with proper management, can do a lot of things that separately would not come to one of them.
a skilled puppeteer started a young and framed

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

That is why, I turned to you with a question to which, unfortunately, I have not yet received an answer, i.e.:

You got it but you didn’t want to accept it, you turned over street stalls, beaten passers-by with glasses in residential buildings and shops, nationalist slogans scanned the crowd, this is not TV, not radio, not newspapers, this is what I and my family members saw.
they also brought vodka to the square, although this is now being refuted

[romb]

I will try to explain again - there were isolated episodes related to hooliganism, there were no massive ones. Allegedly, a trolleybus was burned, less than ten townspeople were injured (now compare with the total number of victims among the protesters - a little less than 1900 people), the windows of two shops - Supermarket and Ocean - were smashed. With regard to "Ocean" it later turned out that the store director wanted to write off a fair share of what had been stolen earlier on the sly. If you listen to / read people, then it turns out that almost everyone has witnessed the atrocities of the Kazakhs. When they ask to show where and when, they start to get lost and say: "Well ... um ... um ... myself ... I did not see it, but my acquaintances, friends, neighbors saw it. , relatives, etc. "

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

When asked to show where and when, they start to get lost, and say: "Well ... um ... um ... myself ... I didn't see

You either did not understand or do not want to understand, I write about what I saw myself

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

Firstly, about Gogol - wrong, because educational institutions and hostels were not located on this street

it’s the same for Gorky, but somehow the supermarket was poked with what you agreed, so do not contradict yourself, besides I write about what I saw myself

[romb]

A little lower than Tashkent were hostels of SPTU.

[FRIGATE2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it’s the same for Gorky, but somehow the supermarket was poked with what you agreed, so do not contradict yourself, besides I write about what I saw myself

Vasilenko, you just can’t understand one thing.

ROMB tells you about the lawlessness of the Soviet government and Moscow in relation to Kazakh students, how they buried them with bulldozers in the "dump", how inhumanly the government pressed discontent with the government, killing Kazakhs in the majority, and those who remained alive were excluded from faculties and institutes and it's still good that if you did not receive prison terms in prison. How a purely military garrison and the mass murder of young Kazakhs and Kazakh women were used against the people, because the Kazakhs themselves, who were dissatisfied with the reappointment instead of Kunayev Kolbin, were not the Russians, and these Kazakhs protested.
And you argue yourself that you saw how somewhere the Kazakh stole in the store, somewhere beaten the grandfather or something else. Yes, you did well that you saw how a Kazakh bully did bad and would be well done if you found him now and forced him to answer according to the law for beating his grandfather or stealing. But such hooligans occur every day, Russian robbing the Kazakh, Kazakh Russian, Russian robbing the Russian and Kazakh robbing the Kazakh.
All of this is not a surprise phenomenon.

So in Russia they will now give the opportunity to the president of Tatarstan to participate in the election of the president of the Russian Federation? You yourself do not live in Russia, but in the Russian Federation, where at least in the laws the rights of peoples are equalized.
If you agree that Tatarin became president, then in the Russian Federation the federal system should also go over to the "civilian" one, ie. so that there were no presidents of Mordovia, Yakutia, etc., but there were, as it were, states and they all elected a common president, no matter what nation.

Here you are, if suddenly the pres. Russia will become some kind of Azizbek Meroglu?
Yes, you yourself will begin to whine in that second in the style of "oh, they are pretending to us"

In which country do you live figuratively?
In the Russian Empire? or in the Russian Federation?
Where we actually live we know.

I also understand that if the Kazakhs voted for Kolbin, so that he would become the secretary of the Kazakh SSR and then suddenly get mad, as you say and hooligan. But they didn’t make a choice

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: FRIGATE2

ROMB tells you about the lawlessness of Soviet power and Moscow in relation to Kazakh students, how they buried them with bulldozers in a "landfill

did you see it yourself ?!
and then somehow interesting it turns out rumors and speculation need to be excluded only on one side

Quote: FRIGATE2

Here you are, if suddenly the pres. Russia will become some kind of Azizbek Meroglu?

if he is a citizen of Russia, if he is worried about the fate of Russia, it’s completely bzik like the Zheltoksans, I don’t have, by the way, the Kazakh ran for president of the Russian Federation

Quote: FRIGATE2

If you agree that Tatarin became president, then in the Russian Federation the federal system should also go over to the "civilian" one, ie. so that there were no presidents of Mordovia, Yakutia, etc., but there were, as it were, states and they all elected a common president, no matter what nation.

actually, the president’s nationality is in no way connected with the state’s structure

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: FRIGATE2

you did well that you saw how a bully-Kazakh did bad

it was a crowd

[ekzorsist]

There were my soldiers, soldiers and defenders of the civilian population ... from this scum, and possibly from you.

[FRIGATE2]

Quote: Former Mariman

In general, in order to understand, well, or at least objectively evaluate it, it is sometimes useful to put ourselves in the place of the people we are discussing!

This post of yours is generally super! Especially for you, I’ll create another bookmark in the browser, as mentioned above, you need to be objective and mentally get into the skin of a stranger in order to assess the situation not only with your own, but also with someone else's.
The more you imagine such skins mentally, the more objectively you become and learn to think based on facts, not slogans.

Vasilenko, you should watch the film "To Kill a Mockingbird" of the 1960s, and not fall into chauvinism. The topic of objectivity of point of view is well described there.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: FRIGATE2

Vasilenko, you should watch the film "To Kill a Mockingbird" of the 1960s, and not fall into chauvinism

but you would not be bad to read the definitions of chauvinism

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but let's not confuse the reasons and reason

So the Russian Imperials have a reason to think about how it turned out that one of the most loyal to the Soviet authorities and complimentary to the Russian people (Kazakhs) went to the square with a protest
What happened between WWII and 1986 year ?!
Why are the descendants of those who fought for the USSR not for fear, but for conscience counted,
possible to protest ?!
But it’s worth considering, if only because modern Russia is also a multinational state, and what happened to the Soviet Union can be repeated in a new round of the historical process.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alibekulu

So the Russian Imperials have a reason to think about how it turned out that one of the most loyal to the Soviet authorities and complimentary to the Russian people (Kazakhs) went to the square with a protest

let's leave it - the people came out, the people did not come out, the hostels were thrown together according to the principle of the crowd and nothing more, "the elite considered the new leadership dangerous, especially since Kolbin had a" not good "reputation. They figured that the opinion of the people could ride on the wave of publicity ".

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

let's leave it - the people came out, the people did not come out, the hostels were thrown together according to the principle of the crowd and nothing more, "the elite considered the new leadership dangerous, especially since Kolbin had a" not good "reputation. They figured that the opinion of the people could ride on the wave of publicity ".

lis n \ 'ont hen appris, ni hen oublie.
They learned nothing and forgot nothing ...

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

let's leave it - the people came out, the people didn’t go out, the hostels paid off on the basis of the crowd and nothing more

Interestingly, this day, on which, according to you, "the crowd from the hostel was brought together" became the national holiday of Kazakhstan ?!

Something like that..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alibekulu

Interestingly, this day, on which, according to your words, "the crowd from the hostel was thrown together" became a national holiday in Kazakhstan? !! Here, something like that ..

and that now fairy tales tell how they won independence in 86, that the Kazakhs built Moscow, etc. sorry, but myths are a peculiar thing

[lukke]

Do not blame me for ignorance. Your logic, of course, is ironic - you appointed a party leader, but it affected international relations. They reflected their anger on Kolbin or on ordinary townspeople — not Kazakhs. And before plugging other strangers in the internet in yourself, raise the elementary culture.

[lukke]

It would be interesting how the Russians would react if the humpback leader was to appoint Russia the first secretary of the regional party committee of the South Kazakhstan region.

Following this oak logic, the Russians should have also blamed Stalin and shot all Georgians — how did the Georgians lead the USSR and sit in the Kremlin on the territory of the RSFSR.

[FRIGATE2]

Quote: lukke

how is it that the Georgians led the USSR and sat in the Kremlin on the territory of the RSFSR.

Georgian succeeded, because he outwitted the watered. the war of all former Jewish rulers, at a time when other peoples of the USSR did not yet have an elementary education (I'm talking about the top)

Quote: lukke

Former Mariman - listen to how quickly you change flags !!!

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Think for yourself "you are our cultured" how a person can fly from one part of the world to another in 2-3 hours? I hope at least there were normal grades in mathematics.

Quote: lukke

And I remember the old woman from some kind of a contingent aul ... walked and creek wait a while

You don’t remember more than one inadequate Baba-Kazakh, it’s strange somehow.
I now remember a lot of inadequate Russian Babayev: Zhirinovsky, Yeltsin, Novodvorskaya, Federov, Navalny and many others in politics and even in the "Science" of the Russian Federation. I even remember a question-answer interview with the most important woman of the Russian Federation, with Vladimir Putin, when he does not answer a specific question, but dodges in the wrong direction.

[ekzorsist]

Former Mariman - listen to how quickly you change flags !!!
Hmm ... but before the oath was given once for life and only to one country ...
Grind the people ... grind ... neither the country, nor the homeland, nor the flag ... everything is for sale ...
Sadly!

[FormerMariman]

Andrey filling out the profile, I, like you, indicated Kazakhstan in the field of residence, and indicated that I was born in the USSR! Why the moderators change their flags I don't know. And the song about the flag and the homeland is like from the proverb "mother-in-law doesn't believe in daughter-in-law"! It's about you!

[FRIGATE2]

Quote: Former Mariman

the traitor humpback appointed to lead a republic about which he knew nothing of the secretary of the regional party committee of the Volgograd Region Comrade Kolbin!

My gratitude to you for being objective and honest.

In general, if we consider it objectively, then Gorbachev is just another normal person, because tried for the people to dissolve the totalitarian Russian-Soviet system, which itself went to death.

And the fact that such a system has nurtured such greedy, greedy politicians and presidents who rule now in the CIS is not Gorbachev’s fault, he just wanted to open his eyes to the advice, but the fault of the system itself and the main fault of the politicians-shame, to Yeltsin, Zhirinovsky and so on.

[ekzorsist]

From the very beginning of "independence" in the Republic of Kazakhstan there were open persecutions and various antics of the national patrons ...
And I remember the old woman from some kind of a provincial village ... I walked and creek wait a little longer ... and then not a single censorship word in Russian, for now this same woman ... already the head of the department of the great history of great Kazakhstan ... like this . Oh, and even now he is having a foot in Russian does not understand a tooth, though in public ...

[Guun]

I do not like it in Kazakhstan - go to your historical homeland, and write RK with a capital letter. But in public such as you walk with a smile below the grass and quieter than water, live in the Republic of Kazakhstan respect this land. Here are people like you and you must drive to hell with the dog.

[Zymran]

Quote: Guun

. But in public such as you with a smile below the grass and quieter walk

Let him write what he wants. Firstly, Kazakhs will know what the fifth column thinks of them. Secondly, is not the fact that they are capable of such statements only on the Internet is not pleasant?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zymran

Firstly, Kazakhs will know what the fifth column thinks about them

Natsik’s favorite trick, rejection of specific not very smart people to translate to the whole nation, I respect Kazakhs among this nation I have enough friends, but Kazakh Natsik sorry I HATE

Quote: Zymran

Secondly, is not the fact that they are capable of such statements only on the Internet is not pleasant?

you know, as a rule, these are Natsiks who are bold in the net, well, or in a crowd, and as soon as they feel the power and the response, they immediately dissolve

[Zymran]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Natsik's favorite trick, rejection of specific not very smart people translate to the whole nation

This particular person is quite typical.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but the Kazakh Natsik excuse HATE

Brainless Natsik like the one who kicked the stewardess, I also hate.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zymran

This particular person is quite typical.

then people should already think

Quote: Zymran

Brainless Natsik like the one who kicked the stewardess, I also hate.

for how much support he had on "patriotic" sites

[romb]

Here, the Kazakhs themselves nafig sent him for this bestial act. As a comparison, when a Tajik girl was killed, skins and sympathizers for them (in fact, there were a lot of them), they were generally written with boiling water for joy. Is not it so?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

By comparison, when a Tajik girl was killed

Quote: romb

those in general - almost with boiling water were written with joy. Is not it so?

yes stupid people rejoiced, but firstly not many as you presented here, and secondly very many were just outraged

[romb]

So, I don’t speak for everyone.
But unfortunately, facts are facts - all Rambler, Rosbalt and Lenta were littered with enthusiastic comments. Only a small part of people asked the commentators to come to their senses and not express their emotions so fiercely and obviously.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

the whole Rambler

about 7 years ago I created a thread on Rambler proving that Muslims are the same citizens of Russia as everyone else, that Islam is not a religion of war, and Asians are not enemies of the Russian, soon to the remark of Kazakhs that there’s somehow no way to piss on the street under the window of someone else’s house almost everyone who walked around very much attacked me with insults just because I dared to make a comment to the Kazakh, so draw your own conclusions.
this is not my Kazakhstan, where I fought with Kazakh back to back against the boys from a neighboring house

[romb]

Unfortunately, it must be admitted that there is a separate category among Kazakhs (mambets), who have a slightly different idea of ​​what is permitted. In such cases, there is only one effective way to "domesticate" an individual - to form a person into a monkey with the simultaneous application of financial measures. I don't see any other, more effective way with this kind of boor. At the same time, I know a lot of guys from the auls, living in Almaty since the nineties, graduated from universities, started families, raise children, and they themselves do not really like visiting "collective farmers" anymore.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

Unfortunately, we must admit that there is a separate category among Kazakhs (mambets), which have a slightly different idea of ​​what is allowed

unfortunately, they are increasingly penetrating the life of Kazakhstan and are gradually becoming the dominant

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: romb

Unfortunately, we must admit that there is a separate category among Kazakhs (mambets), which have a slightly different idea of ​​what is allowed

unfortunately, they are increasingly penetrating the life of Kazakhstan and are gradually becoming the dominant

[ekzorsist]

Yes, about below, be quiet ... alas, I did not hide and do not hide, and as you are not hiding, I did not change flags, I did not hide my location ...
But you are "truth-lovers" from Kazakhstan, "you constantly write something from some incomprehensible website, then your IP addresses are constantly left, then in general you broadcast from other states ...
As it is not Kazakhstani, all the more so zealously everyone closes their mouths together.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ekzorsist

and how you don’t hide, you didn’t change your flags, you didn’t hide your location ... But you are "truth-lovers" from Kazakhstan "that you are constantly writing from some unknown website, then your IP addresses are constantly left, then in general you broadcast from other states. ..

is this you forgive whom?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Guun

Do not like it in Kazakhstan - go to your historical homeland

tell me why a person born in Kazakhstan has no right to express not contentment with the situation, just as you just sent your opponent, a fat-faced traffic cop on the highway told me something, in connection with my disagreement with an attempt to shake off a "fine" for a non-existent violation

[Clegg]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I wonder why a person born in Kazakhstan does not have the right to express dissatisfaction with the situation

because he is not a citizen, but a member of the fifth column.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Clegg

because he is not a citizen, but a member of the fifth column

that is, only Kazakh can be a citizen ?!


in general it would be cool if you are the same as you legalized it

[Clegg]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

that is, only Kazakh can be a citizen ?!

Among the Kazakhs, there are also members of the fifth column; nationality is not important

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Are they the same in Russia, or do they have another historical homeland?
By the way, how are the actions of this "fifth column" manifested?

[Clegg]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Are they the same in Russia, or do they have another historical homeland?

I didn’t drive them anywhere

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

By the way, how are the actions of this "fifth column" manifested?

There are two types of "fifth column":
1. They do not recognize Kazakhstan, consider it part of Russia or dream of restoring the USSR. I call them co-drivers, T80 falls into this category. And by the way, he’s not Russian.

2. Radical movements among Muslims Salafis, tabligits, etc.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Clegg

I didn’t drive them anywhere

not you are so different, not fundamentally, several posts above frankly said

[Zymran]

Quote: Clegg

1. They do not recognize Kazakhstan, consider it part of Russia or dream of restoring the USSR. I call them co-drivers, T80 falls into this category. And by the way, he’s not Russian.

2. Radical movements among Muslims Salafis, tabligits, etc.

I would also add completely brainless nationalists like that dude from the plane, "master of kung fu."

[Clegg]

Quote: Zymran

I would also add completely brainless nationalists like that dude from the plane, "master of kung fu."

I agree, I am against violence in general, whatever the motivation for it.

[ekzorsist]

Well, what about the country "your" is you too much moved too much ... even very ...
For example, as in 1981, I considered all this to be one country, so I consider it and took the oath only to ONE COUNTRY and that’s it!
And I did not consider this territory and do not consider it your property, I have lived here all my life, but where did you suddenly find such "owners" from and with what fright ???
And the names of the Kazakh SSR and the Republic of Kazakhstan or Kazakhstan ... it's just verbiage and it comes from the evil one.
But the truth is that you are carrying Kazakhs spiritually! Like the hell with incense.

[Semurg]

Exorcist. Probably difficult to live like this, to hate "national patrons" and every day to meet them on the street at work. What to endure, you need to have endurance and patience, and for what? there must be a big goal or is it a waste of time and effort? I treat Kazakhs exactly, but I don’t like national pats (rub any Kazakh, and a patriot of your nation - national pat, it does not matter if he is urban or from a provincial aul). If it's not difficult to voice for the sake of what you endure such torment, it just became interesting.

[ekzorsist]

I can cite many more true Kazakhs, who also do not really like this nonsense, which is now being held under the name "KAZAKHSTAN", this show has been held for a long time ... therefore, I do not play cheap national Pat's hysterical games.
You can continue to admire and lick, lick and admire.

[Semurg]

you clearly hope that everything will return "to square one" and Kazakhstan will end. I think Vasilenko acted wiser by selling what he had here and now lives in Russia more or less in peace with himself, well, sometimes, to maintain his tone, he swears with the Kazakhs here on the site.

[FormerMariman]

ekzorsist what city do you live in?

[Besoffner]

Of course, I am sorry for these unfortunate Tajiks (Uzbeks or Kyrgyz - I see no difference) who work in our yard. They live in the basement, they pay bribes to the cops, and get 2 times less than they should receive for such work, and they work more. But ... as I recall the end of the 80s, how, under the guise of interethnic conflicts, Russians were squeezed out of the republics. They took their apartments (buying for nothing), people left light, leaving their acquired property. Violence over them. Well, after this, the nationalist wakes up right inside me. They kicked us out - live as you like, for about 10 years no one has climbed. No, now they have come here. What will happen tomorrow? will I have to leave my city? And I have nowhere to go. There is no second Russia on the ball.

[FormerMariman]

Besoffer! Unfortunately, I don’t know how to turn to you, the pride of the nation is not only famous and great compatriots, but also ordinary people! I think that you will be above this and are not going to take revenge on your former "compatriots".

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: Besoffner

(buying for nothing)

People paid for the apartments as much as they had money. I, a Ukrainian, also bought a house for a song, before that I sold an apartment for a song. If so, then it turns out that I, a Ukrainian, also squeezed Russians out of Kazakhstan .JUST 1000 CU at that time it was huge money for a Kazakhstani.

[ekzorsist]

But this is not true, I know for sure that this "action" was prepared and carried out on purpose ... and many Kazakhstanis of the titular nation warmed their hands great on real estate ... on resources, but a lot on what ... and all with words about great the helmsman of Kazakhstan .... Yes, these bai do not live in poverty now, for them and as then a piece of greenery is not money.

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: ekzorsist

I know for sure that this "action" was prepared and carried out on purpose.

If you knew for sure that your hands weren’t heated either?

[ekzorsist]

Alas, they did not teach to steal from childhood ...
Something like this ... Yes and no, this so-called buy-and-sell vein ... but by this means, alas
Just don’t say that you don’t know the cases in the same times when there were problems with cash, pensioners stood in queues for days at the box office for pensions ... but mostly Slavs, but not of Slavic nationality (read the title). .. for some reason in the mosques they were shopping with their pensions ... and why so, in the country of "equality" and "brotherhood" ...?

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: ekzorsist

pensioners in queues for days at the box office for pensions stood ... but mostly Slavs, but not of Slavic nationality (read the title page)

Everyone sees what he wants to see. I didn’t receive a salary at the plant for half a year, but they didn’t receive the title ones with me, and the administration was picketed. All were on equal footing. I did not go to the mosque and did not see who was there, what was there, but did you see? I somehow got used to not looking at others, but to plow myself, to ensure my welfare.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: ekzorsist

Find a girl for yourself .............................deleted by moderator Apollo
Well, or take it off.

[ekzorsist]

Alibekulu - and you are respected ... the case is not from the minorities ???
If so, then I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, I apologize in public.

[VeryHardClown]

that's right, my aunt's family left Kazakhstan in the middle of 90, but dudes with blue flags pretend that this was not.

[ekzorsist]

It's a hint ?
So Kazakhstan, too, has great success !!!
Do not believe? Yes, right now, the cries of the national patriots begin - like, go to Russia ... and so on.
So that one field is a berry.

[svoi]

Here is a huge ATP for your fraternal, gratuitous (that is, free) help, but what would we do without this help! Here I am writing, but at the very stingiest, male tear, it rolls, from a feeling of gratitude. And about the fact that the assistants exported shares of the GDP of the countries of the assistants, and considerable, so it's all a lie! And the fact that the citizens of the Russian Federation (ordinary workers) are moaning from this help is also a blatant lie! It is a pity that profanity cannot be used, otherwise an expression of gratitude would be more striking and more colorful! Well, I hope, complement it yourself.

[UzRus]

Yes, there is more order in Uzbekistan than in Kyrgyzstan.

[Alex_Popovson]

Yes, the Ferghana Valley never belonged to the ozbeks! Because of the Uzbeks, the Meskhetians fled, but the people, hardworking and tolerant of everything, fled! Is that the order? Uzbeks are worse than fascists!

[UzRus]

Hello, please! Have you heard about the Kokand Khanate? Alexey, do not distort! I always say that it’s not necessary to associate the whole people with a bunch of villains and don.kov who are in every nation and by which it is not necessary to judge the whole nation. Not all Uzbeks are like that. I speak this as a Russian who was born here and lives for 43 years.

[Clegg]

Quote: UzRus

Hello, please! Have you heard about the Kokand Khanate?

I heard about Kokand autonomy, where our Shokai taxied

[UzRus]

You do not have complete information.

[ekzorsist]

Where already wrapped !!!
Well done !!! Or whatever - "oh alkga kazakhstan!"
Wherever you spit ... as in the saying about "God's chosen" ...

[Alex_Popovson]

who was born here

Where is "here"? In Uzbekistan?
I’ll tell you how Russian, who was born in Kyrgyzstan — the Uzbeks and Kazakhs are warlike, they dream of enslaving Kyrgyzstan, albeit poor, but striving to obtain world recognition as an overpower!

[Clegg]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

I will tell you how Russian, who was born in Kyrgyzstan, is Kazakhs warlike, they dream of enslaving Kyrgyzstan

Why do you think so?

[Alex_Popovson]

Why do you think so?

Why? And you take a look at the attitude to each individual Kyrgyz!
Everyone dreams of turning Kyrgyzstan into a raw-material betrayer! We even have to come up with the origin of Bishkek - either the Forge Fortress, or something else!
Only Russia will save Kyrgyzstan, and even increase the general good fortune!
Here you are a Kazakh - you don’t understand how much the soul hurts for sweet Kyrgyzstan.

[Clegg]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

And you take a look at the attitude to each individual Kyrgyz!

Come on, the Kyrgyz are the closest people to the Kazakhs from now independent.

Quote: Alex_Popovson

Everyone dreams of turning Kyrgyzstan into a raw-material betrayer!

A raw materials appendage (Kazakhstan) wants to turn Kyrgyzstan into a raw materials appendage? This is generally funny

Quote: Alex_Popovson

Only Russia will save Kyrgyzstan, and even increase the general good fortune!

How will she do this?

[Alex_Popovson]

Clegg - the answer to everything - the current policy of Uzbekistan, take a look! The bloody hand of the US State Department and satellites can be traced!

[Clegg]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

current politics of Uzbekistan, take a look! The bloody hand of the US State Department and satellites can be traced!

I don’t have much love for the Uzbeks, but the fact is that the Kyrgyz cut the Uzbek, and not vice versa.

[ekzorsist]

Clegg - so literally a month ago, you personally proved that worse than the Kyrgyz ... alas, there’s simply no one ...
Or is the image changing?

[Clegg]

ekzorsist (1) KZ Today, 21:03 PM ↑ New
Clegg - so literally a month ago, you personally proved that worse than the Kyrgyz ... alas, there’s simply no one ...
Or is the image changing?

Can I quote?

[Besoffner]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

And you take a look at the attitude to each individual Kyrgyz!

Yes, but only in Kyrgyzstan did Russians persecute and expel them. And in the same Kazakhstan, Nazarbayev, as he could, built the Russians into local public life. There, even in the northern regions, everything is in Russian, the Kazakh people know the Kazakh language (they learn at school), but thesis is.

Everyone dreams of turning Kyrgyzstan into a raw-material betrayer! We even have to come up with the origin of Bishkek - either the Forge Fortress, or something else!

Hmm, well, you didn’t like the Soviet name there, you renamed it yourself.

Only Russia will save Kyrgyzstan, and even increase the general good fortune!
Here you are a Kazakh - you don’t understand how much the soul hurts for sweet Kyrgyzstan.

Russia will not save anyone. Already realized that even their own state about *** whether. We saved everyone, and when trouble came to us, not a single b ** stood in and helped. Only Nazarbayev (to the last resisted the dissolution of the Union) and Lukashenko slightly. And your Kyrgyzstan, Uncle Sam has sold. If Russia comes where, it’s only for the realization of its own interests. Do you want nishtyaki from Russia and get-become Russian, do not want to be Russian-live as you know, but do not count on Russian help. Only if it will be beneficial to Russia. You were lucky there that Russia is very interested in the stability of Kyrgyzstan, as a buffer state from the Afghan-Pakistani Islamists and as a springboard for the deployment of its military bases - a kind of argument that encourages Russia's distant neighbors (including Kyrgyzstan) to be good friends and obey when necessary.

[ekzorsist]

Yes, Nazarbayev did not resist anything, he just sat on the sidelines and waited ... whoever ... then he is so handsome and will jump out to the joy of the winner ...
He still had a drive from the Politburo - a "cunning fox" ... for this reason, no one hoped for him, neither those, nor those ...

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: ekzorsist

Yes, Nazarbayev did not resist anything, he just sat on the sidelines and waited ... whoever ... then he is so handsome and will jump out to the joy of the winner ...

Come on, he was sitting on the sidelines, What then was Kazakhstan the last to leave the USSR and from the ruble zone. You already forgot what inflation we had in 1992, when Russia carried out monetary reform, and we still had old Soviet rubles . Nazarbayev hoped to the last that three Slavic leaders would wake up and stop the collapse of the Union. But the hope was in vain.

[romb]

.. you are as much an expert on Kazakhstani realities as candy is from VNA. "The sly fox" - that is how Shevardnadze was called behind the back, not NAS.

[VeryHardClown]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

Here you are a Kazakh - you don’t understand how much the soul hurts for sweet Kyrgyzstan.

so thin sho hefty thick, I bet sho the trolling promise is not understood by those to whom it was addressed

[UzRus]

Yes, I was born in Uzbekistan. Now I have shown your post to my Uzbek employees. Neighing together! We are waiting for the reaction of the Kazakhstan people to your opus that the Kazakhs want to enslave Kyrgyzstan.

[Alex_Popovson]

Uzbekistan - worse than Israel and America for Russia - they want to morally decompose Kyrgyzstan, destroy the whole industry!
Laugh, laugh, but how Uzbek troops will rinse their boots in Issyk-Kul, along with some Chinese, so just remember me!

[Besoffner]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

they wish ... l destroy the whole industry!

all 1,5 non-working plants ???

[Besoffner]

Yes, I also neighing. Kazakhstan has a vast territory and relatively few people. The Kazakhs themselves are 11 million (the Russians will not go to conquer the Kirghiz - nafig need), the Kyrgyz - 5,5 million. Mountain conditions. The game was like this - the unreal tournament is called. The enslavement of freedom-loving Kirghiz by evil totalitarian Kazakhs is from that series.

[Besoffner]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

I’ll tell you how a Russian who was born in Kyrgyzstan - ...

thanks, neighing ....
I'll tell a story ...
I was once in the North Caucasus, as part of the Federal Forces. We were based in the Republic of Ingushetia. Many local people worked with us. So, in 1992, there was a war between the Republic of Ingushetia and the Republic of North Ossetia (Alania). it lasted seven days. Tsimes was that the Prigorodny district of the Rep. Sev. Ossetia was inhabited mainly by the Ingush. And they wanted to be part of Ingushetia. This is the background. The story itself. I talked about a Vainakh about this war, and he said that in 1992, evil kudar (Ossetians from South Ossetia) came from Georgia and began to oust the Ingush from the Prigorodny district and the war started. Ossetians killed men, raped Ingush women, pregnant women ripped open their bellies, and they took the babies by the legs and hit their head on a door jamb.
Everything was told in colors. I was impressed by the cruelty of the Ossetians ....
My term has passed - I left everything to the other federals, I come to my home and get to know a guy from North Ossetia at work (he is Russian, he lived there for a long time). I tell him that the Ossetians are bad, that the poor Ingush babstarik children were abused during the war. And he answers that everything was not so, that the Ingush are evil and cruel. They, the Ingush, killed Ossetian old people, raped women, ripped open the bellies of pregnant women, etc.
The moral of this fable is that Kazakhstanis and Uzbeks tell exactly the stories about the evil Kyrgyz people exactly the same as the Kyrgyz people tell about their neighbors.

[ekzorsist]

Besoffner - You are RIGHT !!!

[Scoun]

Quote: Alex_Popovson

Uzbeks are warlike

It's funny ..)) all their belligerence and belligerent rhetoric .. when they feel and have "unconditional support" like when the security forces of Uzbekistan supported the Uzbeks and they slaughtered the Meskhetian Turks .. how on this wave they flooded the Kirghiz and got rid of them .. and if not for the Russian paratroopers who in the area of ​​Osh did not let the Kirghiz go to the rescue ...
The 2nd Osh events, when the Uzbeks were preparing for a long time and planned for another provocation (why did they burn out houses in Osh to the ground? Yes, because they prepared supplies of fuel and other things ahead of time and stored them in apartments) staged another massacre by the dull-headed and when they started again they rushed across the border to their place in Uzbekistan and now many keep silent about the fact that when they returned from their beloved Uzbekistan for some reason back to this sloppy Kyrgyzstan - their native border guards let them back towards Kyrgyzstan, taking away jewelry and money from the majority ... so yes .. the main thing is louder from which thread of Tashkent to shout "Big giraffe he knows best"

The last decades of the modern history of Uzbekistan (from 1969 to 2005) are replete with Islamic-nationalist gangster, extremist, fascist manifestations, especially mass pogroms, violence, robberies and murders of people of other nationalities, complete violation of their rights: these are the events of 1969 in Tashkent and Tashoblast - a massive nationalist attack by brutal Uzbeks on Slavic citizens (especially on defenseless women); May-June 1989 "Fergana" - (expulsion of 20 thousand Meskhetian Turks from the Fergana region; mass pogroms, robberies, murders of thousands of people: Turks, Russians, Tatars and other peoples, except for the Meskhetian Turks and a large number of representatives of other nationalities); the nationalist atrocities of February-March 1990 in Bouquet and Parkent; June 1990 in Osh (the well-known "Osh-Uzgen" events - the Uzbek-Kyrgyz ethnic conflict on economic grounds, also accompanied by the killing of people); nationalist atrocities of 1991,1997, 1992 in Namangan; riots and nationalist atrocities in 2005 in Tashkent (on the campus); May-June 500 Andijan events - riots, atrocities and massacres of people (with over 800 refugees and hundreds of people killed - their number is still hidden by the government of Uzbekistan, and international observers say the number of killed from 1000 to XNUMX people)!

I. In 1989, pogroms, killings and nationalist outrages took place not only in Ferghana, but also in Tashkent and Andijan regions of Uzbekistan. But the Ferghana events of 1989 are a special place among them. Already here, the Uzbek Muslims showed themselves “in all their ugly, but in their true - bloodthirsty, wilderness” .http: //www.ru-news.ru/art_desc. php? aid = 3592

[Scoun]

Quote: UzRus

Hello, please! Have you heard about the Kokand Khanate?

Have you heard about everything else?
And generally speaking..

Sarts - the common naming of the Uzbeks and Tajiks who inhabited the territory of the former Kokand Khanate and the vassal of Bukhara emirate. Such a free association of two different peoples was caused by the main and more important in the eyes tsarist administration the difference is the nomadic way of life of the Kyrgyz and the settled - the Uzbeks and Tajiks. Sometimes the Sarts were divided into Sarts (i.e., Uzbeks) and Tajik Sarts, since the radical difference between the Turki Uzbeks and Iranian-speaking Tajiks could not go unnoticed.

[UzRus]

Everything else in this case does not matter. The man said the Valley never Uzbeks did not belong. The key word is NEVER. Therefore, I asked him about the Kokand Khanate.

[SSR]

Quote: UzRus

Everything else in this case does not matter. The man said the Valley never Uzbeks did not belong. The key word is NEVER. Therefore, I asked him about the Kokand Khanate.

Put + although I do not agree. The man said blah blah blah I have one question. Uzbek definition when it appeared and to which language group do Uzbeks belong? And who are sart and hojo?

[Semurg]

Quote from S.S.R.

Put + although I do not agree. The man said blah blah blah I have one question. Uzbek definition when it appeared and to which language group do Uzbeks belong? And who are sart and hojo?

Like that. The sart-local agricultural population of Bactria and Sogdiana underwent Turkization at the beginning of the 20th century to 70-75% of the population of present-day Uzbekistan (dekhkans). Actually, the Uzbeks are more often cattle breeders, the descendants of the tribes invading Maveranarch led by Sheybani, 15-20% of them are warriors, rulers, officials (beks, khans, bahs, soldiers),. Hodge - the descendants of the Arab conquerors 5-10% are mostly traders, teachers, clergy (urban average class). After the revolution, almost the entire population of present-day Uzbekistan signed up as Uzbeks. At this time, there are echoes of the former division into Sarts-Uzbeks-Khoja, but the differences have been erased and the division is not by origin what happened before the revolution, but by place of birth and residence (Ferghana-Tashkent residents, Khiva

ntsy) I understand something like this without claiming the accuracy of the calculation and determination of social groups.

[Urus]

Sarti ?? !! the Uzbek is one, the Kazakh is the other side. And the coin is one ..

[Samurai]

Let me ask you, why did the Turks in the Mayevka village be slaughtered? This is also the order of this? Or were the Dungans beaten on the border of the Kyrgyz Republic and China?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lindon

In the meantime, Central Asia

voice the amount of help?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lindon

In the meantime, Central Asia

voice the amount of help?

[Ascetic]

Quote: Lindon

In the meantime, Central Asia itself provides humanitarian assistance to Russia by millions of its citizens.

So they come here not because there is no work at home ... There is, but they pay as they say a little 200 dollars. This is a good salary. Therefore, they come here to polish and sweep the streets who are lucky to trade to resell, in the markets carry Caucasians bags, bake cakes for that Moscow at least You can earn three times more and in three years to build a house in Kuylyuk to open your own business or aul to buy yellow pants ... This is the goal and the ultimate dream. where there is no such money there are no migrants. I often travel to the same Oryol region. somehow I stayed in Mtsenske near the department store and caught myself thinking something was missing. And then I realized I couldn’t see a single migrant, as it even became unusual ...

[ekzorsist]

Yah ?!?
At the moment, Central Asia, if you use the wisdom of the greats: ".... looks like a bull placed in a stall and bleating loudly like a ram ....".
In almost any country c. Asian corruption has gone through all power. But how many spawned nationalist projections?!?
And if you don’t listen, you don’t read - they are all descendants of Genghis Khan, then Temirkhan, or some other ordinary hanchik .... nonsense!
Well, the citizens of these countries run wherever they look from their "great" countries and their "conquests" - you want to eat.

[Zymran]

As if corruption is less in the Russian Federation?

[Guun]

Life was successful from Kazakhstan, no one left to work. ekzorsist - Hypocrisy is your destiny. Take your manat and roll out of my country! I am disgusted to know what is threshing floor as you stomp my land and eat its food. Ungrateful you scotina.

[Bum]

And you didn’t seem to be called a CATTLE?
And where is your high culture?
More like truth hurts your eyes.

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: Kibalchish

Order will not be in Central Asia until the Master’s stiff hand returns.

In Kazakhstan, the order and the owner he has, but not the one whom you think. Yes, and in our army service is considered prestigious, the brother is a border guard, and after the contract ends in the KNB he will try to do so. You can’t figure it out at home, but the fact that your PEOPLE artists celebrated the New Year in Miami speaks volumes. Yes and say hello to Chubais and nationalists.

[sergey72]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Those republics that are now dysfunctional drove you,

And that Russians no longer flee from Kazakhstan? I live in Novosibirsk and at my work half of the operational field brigade is staffed with Kazakhs, how is that?

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Yes and say hello to Chubais and nationalists.

We’ll definitely pass it on, but we won’t ask you ...

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: sergey72

And that Russians no longer flee from Kazakhstan? I live in Novosibirsk and at my work half of the operational field brigade is staffed with Kazakhs, how is that?

But was not Novosibirsk the original lands of the Kazakhs? Learn history, Kazakhs have always lived there. Even Omsk, Orenburg and a rather small part of the land of the South of Russia, but we won’t ask you to return back because the Kazakhs themselves are leaving from there to us. But the Russians do not run, they live here better than many of you, and 45% Russians are engaged in business here. And you think they will change all this to return there from where they were evicted?

[Jack7691]

They lived - one per 100 hectares and shared a house with gophers. And the fact that he, it turns out, is a Kazakh, and he has "primordial lands" - he learned from the Russian "invaders" when he was laundered. taught to read and write and forced to live in a house with conveniences, "trampled on national pride." :)))

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: Jack7691

They lived - one per 100 hectares and shared a house with gophers. And the fact that he, it turns out, is a Kazakh, and he has "primordial lands" - he learned from the Russian "invaders" when he was laundered. taught to read and write and forced to live in a house with conveniences, "trampled on national pride." :)))

There’s no need to answer, you can see right away that the person doesn’t know his own story. We knew how to read without you, and again learn history, you did not worry about hygiene at the highest level, and the Germans taught you to read and write and history so that whose cow would moo.

[RUSS]

Quote: Onizuka's teacher

Quote: Jack7691

They lived - one per 100 hectares and shared a house with gophers. And the fact that he, it turns out, is a Kazakh, and he has "primordial lands" - he learned from the Russian "invaders" when he was laundered. taught to read and write and forced to live in a house with conveniences, "trampled on national pride." :)))

There’s no need to answer, you can see right away that the person doesn’t know his own story. We knew how to read without you, and again learn history, you did not worry about hygiene at the highest level, and the Germans taught you to read and write and history so that whose cow would moo.

You, as a real patriot with nationalistic "notes", paint everything very competently, plus you for patriotism, but some things surprise you, for example, the literacy of the CA population and such a sensitive issue as hygiene at the highest level, hygiene probably was, but what is at the highest level, alas ...

[Simon]

This is what the Germans taught us in the Russian language. Something you friend blurted out. Yes, you definitely don’t know the story. And what they are teaching you, some kind of story you have turned upside down, probably the history textbooks have been adjusted for themselves.

[aksakal]

Quote: Jack7691

They lived - one per 100 hectares and shared a house with gophers. And the fact that he, it turns out, is a Kazakh, and he has "primordial lands" - he learned from the Russian "invaders" when he was laundered. taught to read and write and forced to live in a house with conveniences, "trampled on national pride." :)))

- Both-on, bro, girls are dancing interestingly! Jack 7691, then ... I accidentally went into this one and read about it. Who the hell are you? This is your Yermak came and laundered? Was he asked to rush here with axes, swords and spears? Did you teach me how to write? Well, answer!

[Besoffner]

Quote: aksakal

This is your Yermak came and laundered? Was he asked to rush here with axes, swords and spears? Did you teach me how to write? am Well answer! am

Something you, washed friend beguiled. Ermak did not come to you at all. He had graters with Kuchum Siberian. And the Kazakhs behaved well, so there was no reason to come to you, just wasting time. As for washing, he was not tempted either, since Ermak Timofeevich preferred the Russian bath, and not the Kazakh "hygiene"

Quote: aksakal

- Both-on, bro, girls are dancing interestingly!

do you think his and your parents are the same people ???

[ekzorsist]

This is already from the history of Kazakhstan !!!

[lukke]

if it weren’t for the mercy of the Russian tsar, you would entertain the jungar with your charms, and in the absence of them you would lie under a yurt with a cut throat. And tell me my dear - what are the chances of a native of junior jazz to take a high post in a government agency?

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: lukke

if it weren’t for the mercy of the Russian tsar, you would entertain the jungar with your charms, and in the absence of them you would lie under a yurt with a cut throat. And tell me my dear - what are the chances of a native of junior jazz to take a high post in a government agency?

Did you help us with the jungars? you didn’t even fight with them, you didn’t even want to sell guns! We broke them ourselves while you cowardly built fortresses around YOUR southern borders, and the Chinese finished off the rest. Not knowing the stories do not write blizzards.

[sergey72]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

while you cowardly built fortresses around YOUR southern borders

Well, in more detail ... I crave to hear your version .... Already can not eat!

[Simon]

So they redid the story in their own way and the textbooks were written for them across the Atlantic Ocean.

[lukke]

Kind,

Attempts by Hakk-Nazar, Tauke and other Kazakh khans to create large
a centralized state was ultimately unsuccessful.
Lack of sustainable political and economic ties between zhuzes,
internecine struggle of the Kazakh feudal elite encouraged aggressive
neighbors doomed the Kazakh people to the greatest calamities and hardships. "First
the decade of the XNUMXth century, wrote C. Valikhanov, was a terrible time in life
Kazakh people. Dzhungars, Volga Kalmyks, Yaitskis Cossacks and Bashkirs with
their uluses smashed from different sides, drove cattle away and taken captive whole
families ”2. Central Asian khanates attacked from the south, seeking
tear off the territory of Kazakhstan. But the most dangerous enemy was Dzungaria,
representing a real threat to the existence of the Kazakh
feudal state.

[Onizuka teacher]

Ага.
In 1730, a decisive battle took place in the area of ​​Anrakai (Battle of Anrakai) (Aңyraқai dalasyndaғy ayқas). The combined army of the Kazakhs, led by Abulkhair Khan, defeated the border ulus of the Dzhungars, however, after the battle, there was again a split and disagreement among the Kazakhs.
After the death of the Dzungar commander Galdan Tseren in Dzungaria in 1745, civil strife began in the ruling elite, one of the contenders for the throne of Amursan tried to take power with the help of the Qing Empire, but was defeated.
In 1755-1759, as a result of internal strife caused by the feuds of the ruling elite of Dzungaria, one of whose representatives, Amursan, called for help from the Qing dynasty of Manchuria, the specified state fell. At the same time, the territory of the Dzungar Khanate was surrounded by two Manchu armies, numbering a million people. About 90% of the then population of Dzungaria were killed

[lukke]

I do not plead the role of the Kazakhs in their struggle for their existence, but the question is - would they not accept citizenship and would allow them to continue to exist in the Dzungars? Is it one thing for them to fight against scattered zhuzs and another for Russia? Still, objectivity must be present.

[Onizuka teacher]

I will describe briefly. The ruler of the Younger Zhuz decided that he was smarter than everyone, the Empire thought he would give him firearms and teach him how to use guns. Thus, with such force, they could become the sovereign of all Asia. But it was not there. The last battle of Anrakai decided the outcome of this war, but the question is why when there were fortresses and troops were the Russian Empire did not oppose the Dzungars who often raided its vassal Abulkhair, the ruler of the younger zhuz? The answer was clear, China was behind the jungars and it was they who dreamed when the jungars and Kazakhs would kill each other to come to the finished field. Yes, and forgot one little thing, Peter the first did not want to mess with the three zhuzes because of the risk that all of Siberia would fall under the raids of the Dzungars, but his sister had a different opinion and she decided this question, not the king.

[lukke]

but the question is why when there were fortresses and there were troops The Russian Empire did not oppose the Dzungars who often raided its vassal Abulkhair, the ruler of the younger zhuz?

Elementary Wadson - Peter was busy with the war with the Swedes - the Swedish army at that time was one of the strongest in Europe - the question was about the survival of Russia. Therefore, Peter set priorities and won - first the Swedes, then the Dzungars were repelled

[Besoffner]

Quote: Onizuka's teacher

About 90% of the then population of Dzungaria were killed

Kashmar !!!!!!
unfortunate Dzungars !!!!!!!
And after that, Stalin is called the bloody ?????
Yes, there were punitive expeditions in Russia. But so, in the civilized 18th century, but the whole nation under the root !!!!!
Oh, our rulers were wise that they did not participate in such villainy, either directly - by the troops, or baptized - weapons. But the Russians cannot be blamed for this at all.
I was of a better opinion about the Kazakhs :(

[Guun]

Quote: Besoffner

Kashmar !!!!!! unfortunate Dzungars !!!!!!! And after that they call Stalin bloody ????? Yes, there were punitive expeditions in Russia. But so, in the civilized 18th century, but the whole nation was at the root !!!!! Oh, our rulers were wise that they did not participate in such villainy, either directly - by the troops, or bones - by weapons. But it’s impossible to blame Russians for this at all. I had a better opinion about the Kazakhs :(

This is the Chinese who cut out the Dzungars ... Please read carefully.

[nevopros]

Hmmm ... More likely assimilated. This is more believable.

[ShturmKGB]

The Dzhungars (Kalmyks) actually destroyed the Nogai Horde, the Nogais, although they (the Nogais) took Russian citizenship, Russia actually pitted them, supplying the Kalmyks with firearms, the Cossacks helped ... Kazakhs were next in line, people related to the Nogais, but it didn’t work out ... Russia is far away, and the Kalmyks themselves were broken ...

[lukke]

Military engineering structures created by Peter I’s personal order
Yamyshevskaya (1716), Omsk (1716), Zhelezinsky (1717), Semipalatinsk
(1718), Ust-Kamenogorsk, Koryakovskaya (1720) and other military
the defensive points that made up the Verkh-non-Irtysh line played
a certain role in protecting the Kazakhs from the devastating raids of the Dzungar
troops. The presence of artillery and well-trained regular units drove
Dzungarian feudal lords refrain from direct military operations.

So which of us is a balabol?

[Onizuka teacher]

By the way, the Dzhungars came from the east, bypassed the fortresses and the imperial troops did not enter the battle with the Dzhungars. Fortresses were built in the north, jungars came from the east.

[lukke]

Fortresses were built in the north, jungars came from the east

Buy a normal map - Semipalatinsk fortress built in 1718 where? In the West? Vernyi fortress (now the district of Almaty, in the former Cossack stables there are still storage facilities of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan)? also in the West?

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: lukke

Buy a normal map - Semipalatinsk fortress built in 1718 where? In the West? Vernyi fortress (now the district of Almaty, in the former Cossack stables there are still storage facilities of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan)? also in the West?

Verny is a city, a military fortification founded by the Russian government on February 4, 1854. Alas, you MUCH wrong. And once again I repeat the fortress, the Dzhungars bypassed, and the garrison sat and did not protrude.

[lukke]

Well, Verny fortress was later (and why was it asked to build a fortress), and Semipalatinsk? Do you answer selectively? You say the Dzungars themselves were defeated, although right there they say that they are not Kazakh ?!

[ekzorsist]

Do not try to prove something to them ... they like - "who fought there?" - "I am a Kazakh Yaksh ...", "and whoever got piled in there for the most?" , "... wai I don't remember a very small bill!"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Verny - city

actually it’s originally a fort

[Clegg]

lukke
you would first study geography for grade 5)))))))))))

[lukke]

but it’s possible in essence a question (by the way, I am sincerely glad that I lifted my spirits)

[lukke]

you would first study geography for grade 5)))))))))))

and you give at least one argument "against". Then a certain Aksakal remembered Ermak in general, dissatisfied with his arrival. But in fact, it turns out that you (Kazakhs) stubbornly prove that you yourself defeated the Dzungars without the help of the Ros Empire, and with Ermak, who with just 1000 sabers, like a knife through butter, passed through the territories of the Nogai Horde, Siberian and Kazakh khanates, could not cope? I personally am not ashamed in the discussions to admit the fact that the Russian princes paid for their slovenliness (internecine strife and disorganization) by having us in one form or another for almost three centuries. And you admit the obvious is hindered by the deep self-awareness of the awesome importance that has appeared since 91?

[Clegg]

Quote: lukke

In the discussions, I personally am not ashamed to admit the fact that for their slovenliness (internecine strife and disorganization) the Russian princes paid with the fact that we had in one form or another for almost three centuries.

Well, naturally, how can one deny the obvious?

Quote: lukke

But do deep recognition of the awesome significance that appeared since 91 prevents you from recognizing the obvious?

The fact that the Kazakh Khanate was weak and subsequently became part of your empire, yes, this is obvious. But the Russians have nothing to do with the victory over the Dzungars, we ourselves managed.

[Besoffner]

Quote: Onizuka's teacher

Did you help us with the jungars?

And why is it helping you to arrange genocide against your fraternal people. While you swear there, these are your internal showdowns. And if the Russians got in, we would be called again by the invaders and the blood of the Russian guys would pour out for the interests of others. No, we better put an extra fortress - it certainly will not be superfluous.

you didn’t even fight with them

what for? better to live in peace.

they didn’t even want to sell guns!

that means they themselves were needed. Would do it yourself. The Russians, they did. And what were the brave Kazakh guys bad?

We broke them ourselves while you cowardly built fortresses around YOUR southern borders, and the Chinese finished off the rest.

They destroyed the people, together with freshly innocent old women and children, and rejoice ???
and it’s right that we did not climb, but our conscience is clear and there is no blood of innocent dzungars on us. And I did not know that the Kazakhs are worse than the Nazis. After their genocide, those whom they genocide - Jews and Russians - only intensified. And you are at the root of the nation Found what to brag about.

[nevopros]

The word "cowardly" is from the word cowardice or what?

Emotions, emotions and emotions again.

[sergey72]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

But was not Novosibirsk the original lands of the Kazakhs? Learn the story

Even no words ...

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

But the Russians do not run, they live here better than many of you

Let me explain especially for you: by "Kazakhs" we mean Russian refugees from Kazakhstan ...

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

And you think they will change all this to return

A month ago, I took part in an interview with a young woman of 27 years old, for the position of a network engineer, in Kazakhstan she graduated from the Institute named after "Kerdykbabaevich" Well, I don’t remember ..... When asked why, and not in Kazakhstan, the answer is: If not from the titular nation, then there are no prospects .... And as for the ancestral lands of Kazakhstan, I advise you to look at the area of ​​the nomads of your people and not to bay .... Here, one comrade spoke about the events of 1986 .. I remember very well how we were hid by family members of military personnel in the towns, and we were handed out weapons to officers and ensigns ... The rebellious animals treated them ...

[Scoun]

Quote: sergey72

And about the ancestral lands of Kazakhstan, I advise you to look at the area of ​​nomadic nomads of your people and not to harbor ....

something like this..

when the Kazakhs joined R.I. then the borders extended
It should be noted that during this period about 3 thousand Kazakhs, united in zhuzes, lived on the territory of Kazakhstan.

The senior zhuz, numbering about 700 thousand people, traditionally occupied the territory from the upper and middle reaches of the Syr Darya to Semirechye inclusively. The middle Zhuz occupied the regions of Central and North-East Kazakhstan and the middle course of the Syr Darya. Its number was approximately 1 - 200 thousand people. The younger zhuz occupied the lower Syr Darya, the coast of the Aral Sea, the northern part of the Caspian lowland and the lower Urals.

[sergey72]

Does this somehow contradict what I said?

[ed65b]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

But was not Novosibirsk the original lands of the Kazakhs? Learn history, Kazakhs have always lived there. Omsk, Orenburg and quite a small part of the land of the South of Russia,

Hey, teacher, onizuka, you cut the tongues a little there, or you’ll get to Moscow. Another "batyr" from the steppes galloped to the site for the land occupied by the Russians to fight.

[Onizuka teacher]

I am not Kazakh. Do not be surprised. He came not to fight and scratched his tongue, but answered what seemed to me unacceptable. Owners of the SA say? Yes, what kind of owners are you if you simply can’t put things in order! And you are an ill-mannered person. I just don’t like the people whom this land has grown, and this people have warmed up and they are pouring mud on it, the Chechens will be more thankful to the Slavs. I will always be ashamed of how my relatives of the inhabitants of the SA called the Kalbits.

[ed65b]

Onizuka teacher
Oh, well-mannered drew. language to grind and territorial claims to present this is the height of breeding. it’s still kindly answered you, and you go tell me in Novosibirsk that the Kazakh land. Will you live long after that?

[sergey72]

Let me tell you personally

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: sergey72

Let me tell you personally

Sergey, no offense will be said, just a statement of fact. In the Chelyabinsk region, a meteorite fell in Lake Chubar (Shubar) kul. We have a small river Chubar (Shubar) su flowing near Chimkent (Shymkent). What does it mean? Is this also native Russian name? Once again, I want to ask (and Kazakhstanis too) to refrain from commenting on the ancestral lands. The boundaries are defined, and it is not for us to revise them. And even so, hostility is not far away.

[sergey72]

Quote: Andrey KZ

not for us to review them. And even so, hostility is not far away.

Support!

[aksakal]

Quote: ed65b

Onizuka's teacher, O. Raised, drew. language to grind and territorial claims to present this is the height of breeding. it’s still kindly answered you, and you go tell me in Novosibirsk that the Kazakh land. Will you live long after that?

- listen, my dear people, to run into something like that, keep your tongue "about the owner" with you. Do you think that we do not understand the hint that we, the Russians, "would be nice to return again as the owner, then there will be order"? Each time in these cases we will remind your proermak. that he pinned himself to Siberia and cut the people. Why couldn't he sit in Russia? Now you call it civilization ... And yet - and THIS IS THE MAIN THING - before you get in here as a "master", become a master on your land, and then dream of being a master in Central Asia. Otherwise, you have all the economic wealth in the hands of one diaspora, the other diaspora imposes "zakat" on the Russians, and it would be fine in the Caucasus, in the Stavropol Territory! you want !, and all the same, the "owner" is going to pin himself here So go!

[ed65b]

Quote: aksakal

whoever you want come to Russia and do what you want there!

Well, you come try it. then we'll talk. And about the owner is not for me.

[RUSS]

Quote: Onizuka's teacher

I am not Kazakh. Do not be surprised. He came not to fight and scratched his tongue, but answered what seemed to me unacceptable. Owners of the SA say? Yes, what kind of owners are you if you simply can’t put things in order! And you are an ill-mannered person. I just don’t like the people whom this land has grown, and this people have warmed up and they are pouring mud on it, the Chechens will be more thankful to the Slavs. I will always be ashamed of how my relatives of the inhabitants of the SA called the Kalbits.

Now, as in other things and in the past, the Russian people are divided, they consolidate and unite only in front of an external enemy. Small peoples, I will say with white envy, are more united, genetically laid down from extinction and assimilation, though not all. But the fact that the Chechens are blessed Russians is nonsense!

[aksakal]

Quote: RUSS

Now, as in other things and in the past, the Russian people are divided, they consolidate and unite only in front of an external enemy. Small peoples, I will say with white envy, are more united, genetically laid down from extinction and assimilation, though not all. But the fact that the Chechens are blessed Russians is nonsense!

- Consolidation is underway, but without hindrances and excesses on the ground, such processes do not happen ...
I think everything will be fine.
Here again flared up, but really the post from the provocateur was extremely provocative.

[yehat]

Chechens, by the way, are considered more honest and loyal than most of their neighbors. They have wild morals, but some of the things they say are fair.
Everyone in Russia balks us, who are not lazy, but in the Caucasus, if they do, the conversation is short, uncivilized-short. This is sometimes terrible.
But they are not so brazenly humiliated.
And in Russia, what kind of bestiality? Women in the subway behave like bandits, just to push everyone and sit on the coveted seat. Husbands humiliate the houses of these aunts, then they recoup in the subway, in the store or at work. All bestiality. What nafig owners ... for readiness rolls over.

[ekzorsist]

Teacher of Onizuka - you already decide how something, then you are Kazakh, then not Kazakh, then Vasya, then not Vasya ...
And why the hell are you talking utter nonsense then?!? About your "greatness"? You are our bashful ... as the director of the tavern used to say 13 chairs.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

I just don’t like the people whom this land has grown, and this people have warmed up and they are pouring mud on it, the Chechens will be more thankful to the Slavs. I will always be ashamed of how my relatives of the inhabitants of the SA called the Kalbits.

Tell me who of those, as you put it, "warmed up" muddy RK ?!
why criticism is necessary - "muddying"
p / s / CA (Central Asia) and Kazakhstan (Kazakhstan) are slightly different things

[Scoun]

Quote: ed65b

Hey teacher onizuka, there you’re a tongue, then cut a little

In vain you are so ...
Omsk Tomsk - Omu Tom
Yenisei - Enesai. Ene Mother Sai River
Baikal - Baikel. Bai - Rich Cel - Lake
Oh, and can I post the basmache on Bobrov so)))

Kyrgyz soldiers of the VIII-XII centuries in the reconstruction of L.A. Bobrov.

[Simon]

Onizuka! It seems you yourself do not know the story well. From time immemorial in the steppes of Transbaikalia and to the Danube lived about Slavic tribes such as Sarmatians, Huns and Scythians. So, this territory has been ours for centuries, and you are newcomers.

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: Simon

the Huns

Half of the Kazakhs are descendants of the Huns. Only the numerous genus Ar gong is worth something, and it translates as far away the Huns. Questions?

[FRIGATE2]

Quote: Simon

From time immemorial in the steppes of Transbaikalia and to the Danube lived about Slavic tribes such as Sarmatians, Huns and Scythians

Ha, I made you laugh very much, well, it was just plain fun that it became another conviction that the titular nation of the Russian Federation does not know its history.

They themselves say to the nomadic Kazakhs that they are savages, constantly hang around with horses and graze cattle, because they didn’t get bored in dirty cities, they didn’t have a common written language and they weren’t well educated, you see, Kazakhs don’t read like the titular nation of the Russian Federation, raggers.

I now know from you how the titular nation of the Russian Federation was uneducated and unwashed.

So you also happen to come from former nomadic gunas, Scythians, Sarmatians, and not from the Slavs.

Eh, Ivan you, unremarkable kinship and your ancestors.

[Besoffner]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

But was not Novosibirsk the original lands of the Kazakhs?

Kazakhs also founded Moscow, yes, yes, infa 100%. Yuri Dolgoruky is the well-known Kazakh Khan Eginshi Uzyn Kol, who came with his horde / squad to teach illiterate Vyatichi how to build a state.

Learn history, Kazakhs have always lived there. Omsk, Orenburg and quite a small part of the land of the South of Russia

Of course, but the Russians took over and all according to the good old Russian tradition ** were evicted to the Kazakh steppes
However, whoever doesn’t like it, can present their territorial claims in the form of motorized infantry or tank divisions, otherwise we need to write off a lot of "bassoons", but it's a pity ...
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** then there were Germans, Chechens - and all to Kazakhstan

[ShturmKGB]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Quote: sergey72
And that Russians no longer flee from Kazakhstan? I live in Novosibirsk and at my work half of the operational field brigade is staffed with Kazakhs, how is that?
But was not Novosibirsk the original lands of the Kazakhs? Learn history, Kazakhs have always lived there. Even Omsk, Orenburg and a rather small part of the land of the South of Russia, but we won’t ask you to return back because the Kazakhs themselves are leaving from there to us. But the Russians do not run, they live here better than many of you, and 45% Russians are engaged in business here. And you think they will change all this to return there from where they were evicted?

I apologize, but these were the lands of the Nogai Horde, and these are not exactly Kazakhs ...

[Alibekulu]

ShturmKGB

I apologize, but these were the lands of the Nogai Horde, and these are not exactly Kazakhs ...

Just the same Kazakhs, no matter what.
During the collapse of the Nogai Horde, most of the Nogais became part of the Kazakh Khanate and formed the core of the Younger Zhuz.
And in general, the Nogailly fought back for a long time, while they were in force from "voluntary accession" to the Kazakh Khanate. Trepavlov V.V. the struggle against the claims of the Kazakh khans, even designated as "Nogai reconquest"))
But, in a situation of weakening the Mangyt yurt, when they were left with the alternative to be near Muscovy or some kind of, but still kindred Kazakhs, they chose the lesser evil.
And, in general, nogail and kazartar are one people, just under different management ..
Like Russians in the Moscow and Lithuanian-Russian principalities ..

[FRIGATE2]

Quote: Alibekulu

Just the same Kazakhs, no matter what.

Here you misused the context. So uneducated on the site, counting the Huns, Sarmatians, Scythians as their ancestors, and not the Slavs, they will not understand you at all.

The fact is that of the Turkic peoples, the legs and Karakalpaks are very similar to the Kazakhs.
More precisely, it’s not that they are similar, but they consist of almost identical clans and tribes.
It's just that the history in the region has developed differently. Many Turks did not want to recognize the TORE - Genghisides, justifying this, that the Turks and before Genghis Khan, a free people should rule and should be elected according to the merits of the KHAN, and not a dynasty, as in the Romanovs in the Republic of Ingushetia, or in Hohenstaufen in Germany.

Because of this, differences began to spread in the steppes and new states began to form: the Kazakh Khanate, the Karakalpak Khanate, and the Nogai Horde.
Those. Each Khanate had its own policy based on its territories and neighbors.
The Kazakh Khanate here is the youngest, lying farther from the neighbors of the powers: the Qing Empire, the Khanates on the territory of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, and this gave it more time to survive and gain strength and grow from the fragments of Zhanibek and Kerey to start fighting with the former stronger neighbors.

Other Türks - the Karakalpaks, who retained their ancient self-name and gathered smaller families and tribes, politically left the Nogai Horde. The Nogai Horde weakened and left the polit. arenas of history, and each of the other Khanates wanted to unite the territory of neighbors or conquer.

So the Uzbek Khanate fought with the Kazakh, Kazakh with the Karakalpaks, and other Khanates joined.

In the 17th century, a man like J. Washington or Peter the Great was born in the steppe and wanted to unite the Younger Zhuz, the Middle, the Elder, the Kyrgyz Khanate and two Confederations of Karakalpaks by equal conditions. It was Tauke Khan and this union consisted of SIX Confederations and had the self-name Alty-Arys (SIX union).

If we are to find out who looks like someone, then the Karakalpaks, and even their folk Epos, are more similar to their feet. But in general, all three were once the same tribes.

[ekzorsist]

Hmmm ... but the Chinese have a slightly different opinion about the territory of Kazakhstan ... and it is possible that learning the Chinese language is more relevant than learning the Kazakhs .... and it looks like your mood won't be that far.

[UzRus]

He has a master, but not the one you think of - Is it not Elbas?

[ekzorsist]

Yes, there is no longer your Kazakhstan as such - no!
Almost everything has already been sold! Oil? - Sold from the very beginning and forever - centuries ... but what is it, over there at the steel mill Miteellovsky "the government ASKED (!!!) the administration to consider the conditions for increasing wages ..." and you still declare about some kind of owner? Yes, you have not been the owners for a long time ... you were simply sold along with the country, and you are happy ... and why?

[Vadim12]

And who was the master in Asia before?

[Simon]

And before, the owners were in the steppes from Transbaikalia to the Danube about the Slavic tribes of the Sarmatians and Scythians.

[Guun]

Quote: Simon

And before, the owners were in the steppes from Transbaikalia to the Danube about the Slavic tribes of the Sarmatians and Scythians.

And where did you divide the Huns as you recently wrote? Sarmatians and Scythians Slavs? Well, as they said in the advertisement, it's fantastic.

[Guun]

Quote: Simon

And before, the owners were in the steppes from Transbaikalia to the Danube about the Slavic tribes of the Sarmatians and Scythians.

And where did you divide the Huns as you recently wrote? Sarmatians and Scythians Slavs? Well, as they said in the advertisement, it's fantastic.

[UzRus]

Kibalchish, are you all right in Russia? Sometimes you watch your TV channels and watch horror movies!

[ed65b]

Quote: UzRus

Kibalchish, are you all right in Russia? Sometimes you watch your TV channels and watch horror movies!

Hi Sanya. You don’t watch our TV. I myself sometimes get scared. our television turned into a garbage dump and a rating deal with all sorts of Malakhovs, houses and let's get married.

[UzRus]

Good afternoon, Edward. There’s nothing more to watch. If only daughter cartoons?

[Kasym]

I agree, UzRus! Hello! Kibalchish - "throw up" radish. And fellow countrymen began to answer - the Russians "fit in" for their own. And off we go. Guys, but at least look who is the instigator! "By humiliating other peoples, you cannot raise your own." At first I also wanted to answer, and then I thought that this radish-provocateur nor worth it.

[UzRus]

Kasym, Assalom Alaykum! Where is the order now?

[Besoffner]

Quote: Kasym

Russians "fit" for their own. And off we go

I agree. Moreover, since we are building one state, we should not quarrel among the Yankees for joy. You have your own territorial claims to us, personally, for Pavlodar, Uralsk and Tselinograd, it's a shame. But now is not the time to sort things out. And when we become a united state again, these problems will disappear by themselves.

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: Besoffner

Tselinograd is a shame.

And what a shame for him, they beat such a city away, Mama Do not Cry

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Kibalchish

Order will not be in Central Asia until the Master’s stiff hand returns.

You didn’t pay attention to that - how many guys in Russia are ready to go to serve 1 year ?! Tales about improving everyday life and the real situation are two different things. Everyday life and good nutrition, and a minimum level of hazing, and training were before the stool in parts where there were competent officers.

[alone]

People! is there an article about the army of Uzbekistan here, or is the author somehow mistaken?

[ando_bor]

In Russia, in the Caucasian republics, the same situation, the call is extremely limited,
and without service in state structures you will not be arranged.

[120352]

And having entered the army, these "citizens" behave in the navy, to put it mildly, to continue their service in the disbat. Remember the recent history in Kamchatka, how two "dzhigits" broke a guy's skull. So what for do we have such "military personnel"? A little bit, they will run, according to tradition, to surrender and their own (although, what we "ours") will shoot. It is dangerous to have such behind your back!

[Ruslan]

and it doesn’t bother you that there was no one there who would smash their head? we do not protect our own people, and then we moan how bad they are. and once they were trusted with the protection of the king’s brother. and who is bad here? they? or are we Russians who have become weak-willed weaklings?

[kind]

Could kill two birds with one stone, and equip the army with the best recruits and replenish the country's budget with bribes

[Baron Wrangell]

laughed! sort of funny, bribes for military service, but then I thought why! The reason, apparently, still is that they strive to serve,
and we have everything in words only. it seems that there are some benefits, but they are scanty, so they mow everything from the army!

[Kasym]

Baron, so there the reasons are explained. We have the same story - they give bribes.

[Dmitry 2246]

They mow much less. The guys in the suburbs have no doubts. The only problem is getting to serve in the spring. In the fall you "lose" two years. My friends' sons served without stress. They study on the "budget" work in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Approximately like this.

[120352]

Yes, they want to eat!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

175 centimeters is too little for military service.
This is their selection there .. For parades selected.)))

[sergey72]

Quote: MIKHAN

175 centimeters is too little for military service.

Let the building battalions form, there will be more benefit

[yehat]

but you can ask a question - what was measured ???? : D

[Yeraz]

Quote: MIKHAN

Here is their selection there .. For parades taken away.)))

Well, with a 30 million population of 60 thousand selections, there should be a minimum of 2 meters)))
In Azerbaijan, at 9.5 million (and actually 8.5 million, since a million are citizens of the Russian Federation and are called up there), the army is 120.000 twice as large as the Uzbeks.
The reason is different. They don’t want to allocate extra money from the budget, it’s better physically that they will be abroad and feed the economy with their money.

[Besoffner]

Quote: MIKHAN

175 centimeters is too little for military service.
This is their selection there .. For parades selected.)))

Things are good. Only such fighters will not fit into either a tank, a self-propelled gun, or an armored personnel carrier.
there, for the driver, growth restrictions are 174 cm each. I and my 176 were very uncomfortable sitting. The unscrewed ass, you rest against the lid from above, neither straighten up, nor adjust the seat (since it is already at a minimum).

[sergey72]

Quote: Besoffner

Unscrewed ass, rest on top of the lid

That's it ... and it was a little cramped in my tower with my 177 ...

[bistrov.]

Quote: ando_bor

In Russia, in the Caucasian republics, the same situation, the call is extremely limited,
and without service in state structures you will not be arranged.

Well, teach them to fight on their own necks? Enough, the experience is already there, "brought up" all sorts of Dudayevs, let it be better to graze goats and sheep in their mountains.

[Ruslan]

the position of cowards and wimps. when a nation-forming nation is afraid of its small nations, this is already the finish. if the Russians cannot handle them, then we are a dead people, or we are approaching this line. like the Serbs for example.

[Goodmen]

Yes, no one is afraid of them ... they just all understand that to deal with them, as with bound hands and feet ...
In any case, they will either kill-cripple, or 100% will be imprisoned ... if you light up before the authorities)))))

[Yeraz]

Quote: Goodmen

Yes, no one is afraid of them ... they just all understand that to deal with them, as with bound hands and feet ...
In any case, they will either kill-cripple, or 100% will be imprisoned ... if you light up before the authorities)))))

Listen, this stupid justification of the majority of Russians is simply astounding, MOST Caucasians are not rich, they are also poor people. In any case, they will be crippled, but when one Azerbaijani with Dagestan 14 (or 16 I don’t remember) a person building it speaks of the degradation of youth. As if a Caucasian would kill a Russian with his kiss and let him go (except probably Chechnya, they would hide there, but they wouldn’t call the Czechs into the army)
So, this simple nagging 282 is against us, they all will pay off, etc. they gathered their faces, they cleaned everything up, it won’t come to the next head. Moreover, you Russians don’t lower yourself badly when a Caucasian gets his army under the wing, and you omit your own, chezh wonder when others do it.

[Besoffner]

Quote: Goodmen

Yes, no one is afraid of them ... they just all understand that to deal with them, as with bound hands and feet ...
In any case, they will either kill-cripple, or 100% will be imprisoned ... if you light up before the authorities)))))

I agree, bound hand and foot by law, and therefore have to retreat

[Yozhas]

The same tops and in Kazakhstan he himself witnessed in the year 2008 when he went to a friend in order to get an Avrmiya, you need to fool, and you can get into the cop only after the army, and you have to fake the same thing. Basically, they primarily get rid of sirods and beneficiaries in terms of family composition, if not complete (and we have a delay, it seems, if they have not been canceled).

[Zymran]

We also have this, because the call is limited, and many want to serve.

[PPL]

Why duplicate what has already been written in the article of May 23, 2013
"Neither number, nor skill. The Uzbek army is not a modern military force" By Boris Sokolov
Has anything changed since then?

[smersh70]

Quote: PPZ

The Uzbek army is not a modern military force "By Boris Sokolov Has anything changed since that time?

and after all, only they bombed the Islamists to the smithereens ... a few years ago in one of the areas ... and the technology of the Uzbeks in bulk .... plus if they serve only 60 thousand, I imagine the degree of mechanization of linear battalions .. (unless of course with all the technicians are okay) .. and they didn’t ask anyone for help .. what can’t be said about the Kyrgyz and Tajik units .. the Islamists drove them all the way to the plains .... if it weren’t for the help of the Russian troops, the devil knows what it would be right now .. ..

[UzRus]

Smersh70, that's right. It was in 2000 in the Bostanlyk region, they defeated an Islamic bandit group in the mountains.

[family tree]

Quote: PPZ

"Neither number, nor skill. The Uzbek army is not a modern military force" By Boris Sokolov

This is a bad man, fu, quote Borusik to VO

[ando_bor]

Quote: bistrov.

Well, teach them to fight on their own necks? Enough, the experience is already there, "brought up" all sorts of Dudayevs, let it be better to graze goats and sheep in their mountains.

Not many, but still get into the army, the draft is extremely limited, but there are, they are registered in other regions, they are called up there.
I must say in Russia, too, a turn in the army is being formed, urgent military service is now approximately
a third of the draft contingent, the establishment of order in the army and laws on the restriction of public service (which, in my opinion, come down to talking only) nonetheless work, I’ve come across more than once - the guy wants to join the army, and they tell him - all the places are taken for this draft - come next.

[major071]

sergey72
Let the building battalions form, there will be more benefit

So they already form building battalions and send them to Russia to earn money.

[sergey72]

Quote: major071

So they already form building battalions and send them to Russia to earn money.

Tongue removed

[demotivator]

.... facts of bribery when enlisted in the army illustrate well the prevalence of corruption of the entire state apparatus of the country.

Brothers! Is this a problem of only one Uzbekistan? Is there a complete order with this, or what?
Here is just one piece of information from the Western Military District of Russia.
Army corruption is growing
The military prosecutor’s office notes: there are more bribes, a third of the number of abuse of power has increased.
The day before, under the chairmanship of the military prosecutor of the Western military district Igor Lebed, a coordination meeting was held at the military prosecutor’s office of the Western Military District, which considered the issue of improving the effectiveness of measures taken to combat corruption in military units and bodies deployed in the territory of the Western military district. This was reported by the press service of ZVO.
The military prosecutor of the district, in his opening remarks, drew the attention of the meeting participants that the problem of preventing and timely detecting offenses and crimes of a corruption nature remains acute. The number of facts of taking bribes is not decreasing, the number of abuse of official powers has increased by a third.
Corruption crimes this year caused material damage worth more than 1,7 billion rubles, which is 11 times more than in the same period last year.

[120352]

The faster corruption grows, the faster social-state transformations will begin. Well, it’s social, for sure, but the state ones, if by that time the state is preserved, and not completely transferred or renamed into a gang.

[alone]

Quote: demotivator

Brothers! Is this a problem of only one Uzbekistan? Is there a complete order with this, or what?
Here is just one piece of information from the Western Military District of Russia.
Army corruption is growing

You can’t just talk about it unpatriotic. You won’t get such pluses. As usual. Ura - patriotism and underestimation of others sometimes just goes to the limit.

[Gunsmith]

Recently I saw a video about the French army - there are almost no whites. Negroes, Arabs ... marching - all for citizenship and other preferences. In many countries the same situation.

[sergey72]

Quote: Gunsmith

Recently I saw a video about the French army - there are almost no whites

Recently I read foreign comments about the Victory Day Parade, I especially remember one: "..... exclusively white army! Nowhere else you will not see this" .....

[120352]

And in case of war, these same blacks will start shooting at the French. We went through this from 1941 to February 1943 with Kalmyks, Chechens, Ingush, Azerbaijanis and other Muslims.

[Onizuka teacher]

Yes? Some Slavs pulled out the war turns out ... False and only. Does your name Baurzhan Momysh Ula mean nothing to you? Did he personally shoot straight in the back? He is a Muslim. What about Panfilov’s? Yes, yes this is the black guard? Again Slavic exclusivity? Learn the story, not the tram tales!

[UzRus]

Teacher Onizuka, and Hero of the Soviet Union General Sobir Rakhimov (by the way, an ethnic Kazakh)? Stalin called him "Iron General", if I am not mistaken.

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: UzRus

Hero of the Soviet Union General Sobir Rakhimov

In in.

[Evil rabbit]

For information from the history of Panfilovtsa, out of 28 Heroes, only three and one more Kyrgyz were ethnic Kazakhs. At the same time, the division was formed from the inhabitants of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and I.V. Panfilov himself was a military commissar of the Kyrgyz SSR.

[yehat]

don't be offended if you don’t know the story. better take pity.
I am Russian and I don't like Moscow, I really don't like it, but even I am grateful
to those Kazakhs who, along with the Russians, defended it.

[ekzorsist]

yehat
The trouble is that the stories do not know - one thing, but the fact that they have found their new story is another, but the third thing is that they don’t want to listen to anyone around.
So it turns out - a complete paragraph.

[smersh70]

Quote: 120352

Almyks, Chechens, Ingush, Azerbaijanis and other Muslims.

again began anti-Muslim propaganda)))) off topic, can remind you who were more on the side of the Wehrmacht ..

[Onizuka teacher]

Well inappropriately Dear, the noise will still rise.

[Yeraz]

Quote: smersh70

again began anti-Muslim propaganda)))) off topic, can remind you who were more on the side of the Wehrmacht ..

Brother, that’s why our grandfathers for nothing were drawn into a stranger to us, we were just stupid for them and people of the second grade, and remained.

[Lindon]

Quote: 120352

And in case of war, these same blacks will start shooting at the French. We went through this from 1941 to February 1943 with Kalmyks, Chechens, Ingush, Azerbaijanis and other Muslims.

Kalmyks are not Muslims, they are Buddhists.
“There are two troubles in Russia - fools and roads.” (C)

[FormerMariman]

Shut up at all!

[colonel manuch]

The Russians were kicked out, and now they are complaining. They live on the transit and growing of drugs, they worked for us, the quitters are terrible, all day long "nasvay" (who does not know, chicken) chew and walk like a plague. They hardly speak Russian) all day long trendel. Although the men are all as one healthy.

[JonnyT]

Yes, there is everywhere, only on different scales .......

[UzRus]

Well yes! But why didn’t they write about the MPR (Mobilization Recruitment Reserve)? For those who are not in the know, this is a MONTHLY stay in the army, after which they give a military ID. Well, it’s believed that you served ... True, with such a "military card" you will not get privileged access to the SNB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, or the State Tax Committee. My subordinate returned from the Ministry of Natural Resources a month ago. I paid more than 2 million soums for it, which is 900 bins according to the state rate. And you mean the army for a year ...

[kelevra]

Of course, it's bad that they pay money to get into the army, but it's even worse when traitors pay off the army! I myself got into the army through "payment." From my call, there were 54 people, I and another guy wanted to join the army , but we were recognized as limitedly fit, and the other 52 people sobbed like jerks when they were told that they were fit! So many tall military mothers went around that in the end they cut 15, the rest were taken away! And I paid a lump sum and served first urgent, then two contracts! Perhaps soon I will go to the third, and health restrictions did not interfere!

[Gur]

Man, I don’t support the mowers either

[Clegg]

Again about our region, but forget us. We will figure it out ourselves without your "help"

[Onizuka teacher]

I agree with you!

[sergey72]

Quote: Onizuka's teacher

Yes? Some Slavs pulled out the war turns out ... False and only. Does your name Baurzhan Momysh Ula mean nothing to you? Did he personally shoot straight in the back? He is a Muslim. What about Panfilov’s? Yes, yes this is the black guard? Again Slavic exclusivity? Learn the story, not the tram tales!

Dear, I even know who Alia Moldagulova is! And srach about exclusivity, solely on your conscience ...

[Kasym]

Sergei, you yourself, please, track down why Teacher O. has such an attitude in terms of komen. Kibalchish "blinded podlyanu" and some supported him. Here is the result! And who needs it? It is unlikely that my fellow countrymen wanted to respond to rudeness with rudeness.
It is necessary for provocateurs to immediately chop off the horns, and to do this regardless of nationality, then there will be more respect.
But on the other hand, I understand perfectly well that national. the question is acute in the Russian Federation. If only "they had a normal illness", without shooters and blood. The authorities, of course, have seriously neglected the issue.

[sergey72]

Quote: Kasym

It’s necessary to provocateurs immediately cut off the horns

And who argues dear Dauren .... but it would be better if the guys from your "flag" did it ..... But O. has big gaps in consciousness (I did not make a reservation) .... replaced by the current national propaganda ( no offense) with respect ...

[Kasym]

No, Seryozha. Look at the 1st comment. Kibalchisha. He provoked. And O. is a new man (in comparison with Kibalchish) and went; or do you think that we have no pride. Here in your opinion who to ask for srach? From someone who is not the first day here or a beginner, and the "general" is naughty. He didn't know that practically an international from all over the Union had gathered here? Therefore, I believe that Kibalchish is more guilty. And I think it's not worth pouncing on a newbie for this - he will wipe himself off, understand and see that there are quite a few healthy adults here. Honestly, I also fell under such provocations - now we are more tolerant.

[sergey72]

Quote: Kasym

I think it’s not worth it - it will wipe off, understand and see

God grant ...

Quote: Kasym

Honestly, I also came under such provocations

And now I’ve got .... but you agree to throw a presentation to my hometown - it’s over the edge ... when I realized what’s the matter I stopped mincing it. Moreover, I’m not a stranger to Kazakhstan - my wife is from there, my father served in Uralsk and Alma -Ate .. Regards

[Kasym]

It seems to me, Sergei, that he was already on edge. And then Jack7691 added fuel to the fire. In Kazakhstan, they say: "A Kazakh will find a relative everywhere!" So it seems to me that this can be said for the entire USSR. "A Soviet person will find a relative or a close person everywhere!" Your fate only confirms this! Good luck and a wagon of health to you and your family! Best regards, Dauren!

[sergey72]

Quote: Kasym

Good luck and a health carriage to you and your family!

Thank you!

[Semurg]

like a topic about the Uzbek army and the showdown with the Kazakhs begins. On the topic of bribes, it’s a bad thing anyway, and the army will probably not get any stronger from them.

[RUSS]

Quote: Semurg

like a topic about the Uzbek army and the showdown with the Kazakhs begins. On the topic of bribes, it’s a bad thing anyway, and the army will probably not get any stronger from them.

[sergey72]

Quote: Semurg

kind of topic about the Uzbek army and the showdown with the Kazakhs begin

That's right ... But we have another fat troll wound up, I will not point a finger ....

Quote: Semurg

On the topic of bribes, a bad thing in any

And here I agree ... but what to do, we did not say "The East is a delicate matter" ...

[RUSS]

Gradually, the situation with conscription is leveling out in our country, young people are slowly but surely beginning to understand "what is and why" service to the Motherland.

[REDBLUE]

This is what the Uzbeks gave. We are driven out from under the sticks and there they themselves ask. Well done. Good army advertisement. We must also raise authority. Although now there are fewer mowers, but they are still there.

[Onizuka teacher]

Without armies, both in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, you cannot get a good job.

[ed65b]

Again, the Kazakhs drew their screams. Yes, calm down, it's not about you at all. And the fact that the army in the RUZ is combat-ready is a fact. Especially border guards. And in case of conflict they’ll kick the ass of the whole Wed. Of Asia.

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: ed65b

And in case of conflict they’ll kick the ass of the whole Wed. Of Asia.

He laughed. If you are unfamiliar with the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Armed Forces of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Armed Forces of RU, then be silent and do not disgrace.

[ed65b]

when you feel the Uzbek bayonet in the ass then you laugh. In the meantime, with your vaunted army, go beshbarmak peck.

[UzRus]

Are the Tajik armed forces Tajiks or Turkmens? Although those and other warriors are unimportant.

[ekzorsist]

Oh, I got it !!!
You simply are not familiar then with the Soviet Army and Navy. This is really an ARMY !!!
And all these small police units - only to suppress their own civilian population ... well, even with small gangs they can conduct long battles ... and somehow that's it.
Such a parable was an ancient one ... about how a father before his death showed his sons visually - together you are strength, and separately - zilch ... so here. What are you proud of?
What are you bragging about? The Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Armed Forces of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Armed Forces of the Republic of Uzbekistan ... yes, these units, even if they cannot unite, can not really resist any military invasion from outside without outside help - from Afghanistan to bandit formations, from China it is simply ridiculous and even to think ... well, Mongolia is ranked we will not - peaceful, calm guys (and whoever to attribute to them has thought of some kind of "yoke", but they themselves simply cannot move away from this "news"), Turkey ... yes, any of these countries is easy will roll out all these "Armed Forces of the RK, Armed Forces of the Republic of Tatarstan and Armed Forces of the Republic of Uzbekistan" even taken together. And because all these sun ..... among themselves like cats and dogs.
So, let's "hot Central Asian lads" try to wave the end of the Chinese or tell the Taliban don't give a shit ... and we'll see.

[Kasym]

ed65b, open your eyes and see who started! Or you don’t know how to analyze it at all. Unless of course you have the concept of justice. And the answer there is mainly a Kazakhstani, who is not Kazakh by nationality.

[ed65b]

Dauren, I didn’t want flattery in a foreign country. Why should I ??? Yesterday, one of your fellow countrymen glorified the lackeys of Hitler, the Soviet people shit on them, today they didn’t talk about RK. I appeared on this thread here to speak with the Uzbeks; they are not alien to me. Well, let's go. Many years and prosperity to you. Sprayed.

[Kasym]

Yes, everything is fine! Just in the comments, everything is obvious. One owner pretended to be, the other began to land. And O. can see a new one, he immediately climbed into the hole.
And you, dear Edward, all the best! Regards, Dauren!

[FormerMariman]

Here we need it and the Kazakhstanis on this site to puff, then for the Uzbeks, then for the Kyrgyz (with all due respect to the latter), then for migrant workers among whom there are few of ours! Of course, it’s disgusting to assent to everyone here, but we have enough of our problems in Kazakhstan, and we still have a fight not only with everyone, but with each other!

[Yeraz]

Quote: ed65b

yesterday one of your fellow countrymen glorified the lackeys of Hitler;

Well, let's be honest, he did not glorify him and did not shit on the Soviets. He told him violets to Hitler or this is glorification. I personally am also violet and I think it’s a mistake for Azerbaijanis to participate in that war, if Hitler had won the Armenians would be solved quickly and I ask that user not to start saying that Hitler would have cut everyone out, these horror stories and fables about everyone for the Slavs, and we were waiting for Turkish divisions, which would have entered the southern Caucasus if Stalingrad had been lost.
And so I respect those who were forced to fight for advice and those who were for Hitler (although there were insanely few of them) They are all heroes to me.

[RUSS]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: ed65b

yesterday one of your fellow countrymen glorified the lackeys of Hitler;

Well, let's be honest, he did not glorify him and did not shit on the Soviets. He told him violets to Hitler or this is glorification. I personally am also violet and I think it’s a mistake for Azerbaijanis to participate in that war, if Hitler had won the Armenians would be solved quickly and I ask that user not to start saying that Hitler would have cut everyone out, these horror stories and fables about everyone for the Slavs, and we were waiting for Turkish divisions, which would have entered the southern Caucasus if Stalingrad had been lost.
And so I respect those who were forced to fight for advice and those who were for Hitler (although there were insanely few of them) They are all heroes to me.

Adherents, boasters and clingers, with the jackals mentality, who want to leave on someone else's hump and grumble leftovers, in your case the leftovers from the Boss would go to Armenia. Though against the Armenians with the devil, they themselves lack the strength, spirit or political will to throw Armenians out of Karabakh alone. Hitler did not ride, and now who are you hoping for, who is your new Boss?

[smersh70]

Quote: RUSS

Though with the devil, but against the Armenians

come on .. help

Quote: RUSS

and they themselves don’t have enough strength, spirit or political will to throw Armenians from Karabakh alone

carefully on the corners))))) advise Putin ... so that he gives us just a week .. for day 8, if you can’t talk then))))

Quote: RUSS

Hitler did not ride, and now who are you hoping for, who is your new Boss?

we are not the owners .... we are our own owners ... we don’t have foreign troops .... and we don’t hide behind the backs of foreign uncles ..... so all the questions are not for us ...... change the address ........

[Yeraz]

Quote: RUSS

Adherents, boasters and clingers, with the mentality of jackals, who want to leave on someone else's hump and grumble about scraps,

This is the first reason for the battle in vain, we were so for you and will remain so.

Quote: RUSS

in your case, leftovers from the Boss would go to Armenia

Turkey is not our master, and we are not self-sufficient as a brother in the contents of Turkey.

Quote: RUSS

and they themselves do not have enough strength, spirit or political will to throw Armenians out of Karabakh alone.

Come on, get out of the Caucasus and see how many Armenians get out there. Sponsirubts keep the bases supported by the economy, they still say they are weak. Go away from the Caucasus, the Armenians themselves will dump them from Karabakh, because without Russia’s help we will strangle them there.

Quote: RUSS

Hitler did not ride, and now who are you hoping for, who is your new Boss?

You tell the facts. Our economy and country are self-sufficient, and Armenia keeps and behaves aggressively thanks to the help of Russia.
And the fact that thanks to tsarist Russia and then the Soviets on our lands they created Armenia, and then they gave it to Karabakh, it’s a fact. the enemy.

[RUSS]

How many times have I already heard these constant bazaars that - "we will throw off the Armenians in a week", "if not for Putin", "if not for Russia." A lot of "if only if only". And the fact remains the fact that not only did you merge the conflict into a clean one, but you still haven't been able to throw out the Armenians from your (in your opinion) land. For me personally, by and large, it doesn't matter how all your boiling in Karabakh ends, this is not the case. for which Russia needs to harness. Although Armenians are Christians, the sense of them ... is like a goat of milk, the same dependents. It's just clear that they rushed into the arms of the CSTO and the CU, not because of "great and pure love for Russia", but to hide under their wing, in this regard, the Armenians are not something that would be cheating, but honestly there is a sediment from this, you understand that your country is used not as an economically strong brother, but as a bodyguard who also pays you extra ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: RUSS

And the fact remains that not only did you merge the conflict into a clean conflict, but you still couldn’t throw out the Armenians from your (in your opinion) land

This is your one thesis.

Quote: RUSS

It's quite clear that they rushed into the arms of the CSTO and the CU, not because of "great and pure love for Russia", but to hide under their wing, in this regard the Armenians are not something that would be cheating, but honestly there is a sediment from this, you understand that your country is used not as an economically strong brother, but as a bodyguard who also pays you extra

And here is the second one.

And then you begin here if only as if, So because it is if, but as if reality.
And all this is the facts of the presence of Russian sodates and weapons, military assistance and economic support.
And the fact that Russia was harnessed was proved by the example of Georgia, Georgians are certainly sorry, but their sacrifice benefited us, because it was clearly indicated that the bodyguard is not amorphous, but the real one is that the treaties only say about the protection of purely Armenian borders this blank record on paper is also understandable. As long as there are no guarantees from Russia, even though each soldier has a tank for us, while Russia harnesses, there is nothing to catch.
But there is another way out; it can last longer, but it can be effective.

[RUSS]

The CSTO abbreviation alone indicates that Russia will simply be obliged to help Armenia, but subject to aggression, about Karabakh, this is the territory of Azerbaijan, so here allied responsibilities end ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: RUSS

The CSTO abbreviation alone indicates that Russia will simply be obliged to help Armenia, but subject to aggression, about Karabakh, this is the territory of Azerbaijan, so here allied responsibilities end ...

The Collective Security Treaty Organization is bullshit, the TBR countries will not subscribe to this. And in Armenia they are well aware of this, therefore, a separate agreement has been signed between the two countries on protecting the borders of Armenia. It would seem, why should there be a separate agreement when there is a Collective Security Treaty Organization clause because the Collective Security Treaty Organization is not a working organization, but imitates work.
Suppose there will not be an invasion of troops, but anyway, sending soldiers without Russian embroidery, supplying weapons without fail and for free, instructors, transferring data from Russian satellites, etc. This is already a significant help in aggression. Help will be unambiguous. Armenia for such concessions in foreign policy would not go without a guarantee of security.
And it has become de facto the province of Russia and the Armenians know this in Baku.
Therefore, there will be no hostilities (only if it is not provoked from the outside), but there will be other methods.

[TS3sta3]

CSTO is Russia and China, the rest should not fight, they should be a buffer and not let in the armies of third countries. core and shell - this is what OCD is.

[Clegg]

Quote: TS3sta3

HKB is Russia and China

China is not a member of the CSTO, and is unlikely to be. These are all the dreams of Russian painters

[TS3sta3]

then this organization must be dissolved. she is ridiculous.

[Clegg]

Quote: TS3sta3

then this organization must be dissolved. she is ridiculous.

I do not know whether to dissolve or not, it is desirable that Kazakhstan come out. And let the rest of the countries decide

[TS3sta3]

ok, let kazakhstan leave. I'm not against.

[Ram chandra]

In Uzbekistan, service in the armed forces, even urgent, is very prestigious, but not everyone can get into the army: they give bribes in the country not for “retreat”, but for a medical examination and serve a year in the military.

One of the few cases when you do not know is good or bad. It seems to be good, but maybe the country is so poor that they feed it in the army ..

[UzRus]

The country is not so poor.

[ed65b]

Quote: UzRus

The country is not so poor.

The country is rich greedy rulers. In fact, Uzbekistan could become the richest country in the CA. There is gas, there is gold, there is uranium. 2 cereal crops. Yes, something Karim turned the wrong way.

[Zymran]

Yes, in all of Central Asia, they all turned in the wrong direction

[Zymran]

Yes, in all of Central Asia, they all turned in the wrong direction

[Evil rabbit]

I don’t know how it is now, but 3-4 years ago for a month of work on cotton in Andijan and Namagan reg. gave a bag of low-grade flour. Uzbek drivers told me this. So a year at state grub by the standards of an Uzbek villager is cool! But in general, Uzbeks are a very hardworking people, there are just a lot of them, high birth rates, little land and at the same time local bahs really rob them ...

[ed65b]

Samarkandis wrote a letter to Karimov openly. There is no water, no gas, no heat, and winter is on the nose. local hakims simply kick people out of their offices, shut their mouths. In the villages there is no firewood, (not a forest country) coal on cards, the quality is terrible and then through a bribe. Uzbeks that go to work in the Republic of Kazakhstan are like they are on another planet. Beautiful, foreign cars drive, young people in the Republic of Kazakhstan are smiling. There is a prospect. It is a pity that Bantustan was made from the most beautiful and ancient country.

[ekzorsist]

And in Kazakhstan, too, this is booming.
They also want to eat .... or is there such a mentality? Give bakshi - and then - shish.
Most likely this is the absence of any state at all.
That is, I explain - the state itself is not able to control the situation vital for its own (!!!) state of existence. Unable to organize a normal and high-quality selection for service, there is no single supranational, rallying idea and policy ... one policy - money, money, money or everything is sold, everything is bought.
The market (and even more so what happened on the territory of the USSR, it is generally just an "oriental bazaar") is not the best and most worthy form of public organization. Here everything is subject only to money and there is no such thing as duty, honor, conscience, intelligence, virtue, compassion ... etc .. there is only - "business ... and nothing personal, I want a shorter dough."
Everyone should think about this. This form is not ours, it is simply alien from the old days to all the peoples of the USSR, although recently these so-called "Western values" have been hammered into many heads ..., but we need it ???

[ando_bor]

Quote: Ram Chandra

One of the few cases when you do not know is good or bad. It seems to be good, but maybe the country is so poor that they feed it in the army ..

In non-poor Sweden, it’s also difficult to get into the army for an urgent term, only they don’t give bribes, but in turn
lining up - waiting for vacancies to be released. There is only one reason - you cannot get a good job without an army.
And in countries with contract armies, too, often the same factor works, not money,
money is usually pitiful on the first contract.

[Bogranz]

I see the main point of the article not in clarifying historical and national claims, but still in the fact that the work to strengthen the image of military service was correctly set. And in this matter both Russia and many other countries of the former USSR have a lot to learn. And bribes ... so where to get away from them ... They pay here not to serve, there to serve .... and there are always and everywhere those who want to pay and who want to take, but ... it's really another topic.

[dropout]

You read the comments and it seems that some "comrades" are commenting not on what is written in the article, but on what they saw in their dreams at night.

[FormerMariman]

Krasava! Moderators "on horseback", it is worth tossing an article about "migrant workers" "non-Russians" "hated Islam", etc. how the brains turn off and shit toxicosis begins. Either the site is called VO, or "crap your neighbor"!

[smersh70]

Quote: Former Mariman

Either the site is called VO, or "crap your neighbor"!

I said 10000 times here .. give articles about women ..... only they unite everyone .... but the topics about guest workers all disconnect)))))

[sergey72]

Quote: smersh70

I said 10000 times here .. give articles about women.

Duc until March 8 is still far ....

[smersh70]

Quote: sergey72

Duc until March 8 is still far ....

I do not agree) and Vasiliev

[sergey72]

Quote: smersh70

I do not agree) and Vasiliev

Vurgun, surround yourself - Vasileva woman ?!
Vasileva is a ghoul !!!

[Kasym]

Sergey72, you simply do not know, dear! Smersh ... it's not just like that , there are ... feelings (Bro-Vurgun, you forgive me, but now they can peck)! Oh, if only you knew! Therefore, please understand correctly, but this is not necessary . And Vasiliev ... more delicately with our Brother! It’s not easy for him now.

[smersh70]

Quote: Kasym

am such ... feelings (Bro-Vurgun, you forgive me, but now they can peck)

exactly however, after her last photo, I stopped loving her ...
and thanks for the attention

[Kazbek]

Quote: Kasym

Smersh ... it's not just like that, there are ... feelings

She just has "4 ++"

[Andrey KZ]

Russians, friends! Maybe there will be enough land to divide. Borders have long been defined, and in the comments to each article about Central Asia you come across slogans like “return the primordially Russian lands.” Look at the territory of the Russian Federation, huge areas have not been developed, work is not an open land, But you are looking at the lands of your neighbors. But all right, you just encroach on the neighbors, on the territory of your faithful ally, Kazakhstan. It is impossible, comrades, with such an attitude, no Union can be built.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Andrey KZ

, with such an attitude no Union can be built.

And these unions will not really succeed in this temporary phenomenon. The Cossacks will quickly give a tear from there, we just have to wait a bit for the now-growing generation and the departure of old people)) What does it come from on both sides))

[Zymran]

+ 500 In reality, this integration is supported by elbasy, ethnic Russians and scoops.

[ed65b]

Quote: Zymran

+ 500 In reality, this integration is supported by elbasy, ethnic Russians and scoops.

You shouldn’t be so.

[Yeraz]

Quote: ed65b

Quote: Zymran

+ 500 In reality, this integration is supported by elbasy, ethnic Russians and scoops.

You shouldn’t be so.

Well, this is really so. In Kazakhstan, a decrease in Russians, an increase in Cossacks who do not care about the Soviets and they are nationalistic, in Russia, too, nationalist-minded young people are growing up, everything keeps on being old and this is a matter of time.
The main thing is not to make mistakes and try to hold on to force, as with Ukraine, then you will get real hatred with the Cossacks. They simply hate us Caucasians)))

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: Zymran

In reality, this integration rests on elbasy, ethnic Russians and scoops.

Nureke set the task in the message

"Now we are reaching another level, having the resources and personnel to solve a larger-scale task. This requires a full concentration of efforts and attention. Each ministry, department, akimat must know that the personnel must correspond to this. If they do not correspond, they must be changed. Creative people must work. people who understand and support this policy. There is no other way out. We, together with the Soviet Union, are 50 years behind the West. And now we will go further in the footsteps of those who are catching up and swallow dust after these states? If we do not want this, if we do not want to to be on the outskirts of the developed world economy, we must jump over the barrier. I absolutely believe this - Kazakhstan is ready to solve such problems, "Nazarbayev stressed.

According to him, the entry into 30 developed countries should be divided into two stages: "Until 2030, make a modernization breakthrough, at this stage - the dynamic growth of traditional sectors of the economy, we will create a strong industrial sector. At the second stage, from 2030 to 2050, it is necessary to ensure a sustainable development of the country on the principles of a knowledge-based economy, "the Head of State noted.

You have to harness it.

[Zymran]

The joke about the padishah and Khoja Nasreddin reminds.

Quote: Andrey KZ

Now we go to a different level, having the resources and personnel to solve a larger task. This requires a complete concentration of strength and attention. Each ministry, department, akimat should know that the staff must comply with this. Do not match - you need to change them.

A good and sound thought, but contrary to the system of power that he created and has supported for more than 20 years.

And where does the integration then?

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: Zymran

And where does the integration then?

Nothing to do with it, I liked it as I said.

[TS3sta3]

speak - do not toss bags

[ekzorsist]

I don’t understand one thing ... but what did we "old men" do to you so bad?
You got a country that held the whole world in a fist.
Everybody reckoned with her everywhere and without exception ... and?
How did you manage these yourself? What did you create in return?
What can you be proud of? The fact that "Buran" was covered with slabs at Baikonur? Or the fact that the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station collapsed? Or the fact that there is national squabble all around? Or what else? I don't understand ... I'm sorry, but I really don't understand!
I understand the same Chinese, they have something to be proud of and how !!! For some 15 - 20 years they have become leaders from a backward semi-agricultural country! world! for all indicators. Indians also have something to be proud of - they have created a really strong army and navy in their region ... Even the same Afghans have something to be proud of - whether it's bad or good, but they really seek their independence, from real external aggression ... And in contrast here we are with our collapsed "trough", but "proud" I can not ... Why are proud ??? For grandmothers, candy wrappers and beads as the last aborigines they pitted against each other, slipped some lousy idea about a "bazaar" and everyone bought into it and just try to object - they will trample them with a feeling of "fulfilled their great destiny" to protect Western and other values.

[Andrey KZ]

ekzorsist. Your only post with which I strongly agree, but you must admit, the Kazakhs are to blame for all this the least.

[ekzorsist]

Alas, it was not without them, unfortunately.

[REDBLUE]

Quote: Ram Chandra

In Uzbekistan, service in the armed forces, even urgent, is very prestigious, but not everyone can get into the army: they give bribes in the country not for “retreat”, but for a medical examination and serve a year in the military.

One of the few cases when you do not know is good or bad. It seems to be good, but maybe the country is so poor that they feed it in the army ..

Or maybe so healthy young people that they don’t know who to choose?

[Ram chandra]

Healthy is not always advanced. Over in all Senegal healthy blacks run around and what? The country will not come forward from their health. In developed countries, the harvester harvests faster than a dozen healthy youth.

[waisson]

we would be so eager for the army

[ed65b]

I complete the branch. All overdid and seem to have reconciled. Well, you are not talking about the USSR, everything is as always.

[FRIGATE2]

Quote: ed65b

Well, you are not talking about the USSR, everything is as always.

You are an adult, and reasoning like a child’s is so commonplace.

Forget the USSR, this is history and will never come back, live and fight with new realities and problems in your country where you live.

Babylon, the Roman Empire, the Golden Horde, the Russian Empire, all this is history, all this was and it is necessary to take from them only a drop of a better, better one and exist in the real world, change the future.

[Alex Nick]

To give a bribe to serve in the army !!! Soon it will be so. Well, maybe not right away.

[Fox]

Quote: Alex Nick

Alex Nick Today, 01:57 ↓
To give a bribe to serve in the army !!! Soon we will have it

many of the guys I knew tried to PAY what would be used in the army. Moreover, not convicts and nariks. The son also went to the military commissariat more than once, what would they call him. Now he serves.

[sashka]

Quote: Alex Nick

To give a bribe to serve in the army !!! Soon it will be so. Well, maybe not right away.

Already have a long time ago. 1 and you were a contractor two years ago in Engels, Russian Federation.

[kav669]

It’s the same in Ukraine. To serve, you have to give a bribe, but not at $ 300, but more. But we won’t.

[Fox]

had the luck of talking with a fighter of the special forces of Uzbekistan. he said there were simply no healthy people. Some people and income. Almost everyone is sitting on the board.

[sashka]

The only place where you can get money is the army and the police .. I had some money on my card. But you can't explain to the conductor on the bus or tram that there is money. And in the store too. And at the entrance to the "! Bank" there are "two" cops "who" decide "is worthy or not. The East is a delicate matter. But this we have come. Dictatorship, no other words. Moreover, idiotism in all its glory ..

[konvalval]

And I think for some reason we have so many Uzbeks, it turns out they earn money on the army.

[sashka]

My son served in "this" Army. In Chirchik, Russkiy. Remained as a Man. Be yourself and don't be afraid of anyone, but you need to know the language ...

[sergeant]

army in Uzbekistan ticket to the future. After the army at the university on a preferential basis. or you can stay in the Moscow Region or go to the Ministry of Internal Affairs for 12 years to serve and retire.