Military Review

Why provocations work. To the Perm incident with the “victim of non-Russians”

84
Why provocations work. To the Perm incident with the “victim of non-Russians”In Perm, police officers disrupted a so-called. "People's gathering" of excited youth against visitors from the southern republics and migrants. The reason for the action was disinformation spread on social networks the day before about Caucasians killing a Russian guy.


The message that started it all was brief: “Yesterday, a friend of mine migrated to Perm. Two non-Russians began to pester his girl, he fought back. They knocked him half to death. On the way to the hospital, he died.

There is no benefit from the police at all. They said that the case is very complicated and will not be solved soon. All who are against the migrants, guys, let's make them dark. On Sunday, January 12, in 19.00 near the bar "Nemo". "

There were more than a hundred people willing. However, when they arrived at the scene of the "gathering", they found police officers' outfits and buses for transportation to the police station. Despite this, some confusion was still made - it is reported that a couple of passers-by of non-Russian appearance were beaten "for that guy."

The police detained 104 of a person from whom explanations were taken and who were subsequently returned to their parents and guardians. The age of the detainees is unknown, but judging by the photographs and the fact that the release of the parents was required for release, they were all young.

The police already after the fact explained that no one “stumbled” anyone. No young man these days in the hospital of Perm did not act and did not die. The day before, the bodies of two women were found in the Perm Krai - an 84-year-old pensioner and her 47-year-old daughter-in-law. The suspect in their murder was arrested without delay, and according to investigators, the reason for the crime was his unwillingness to pay rent for an apartment, which he rented from the dead. And he is not a Caucasian at all, but his own, 32-year-old native of the city of Dobryanka. The other “mokruhi” in Perm for the period studied was not fixed.

We do not know whether the initiator of the provocation will be found and punished (except for the name “Maxim Firstov”, there is no information about the source). However, once again, attention is drawn to the fact that it was easy to take more than a hundred young people into the streets ready for illegal actions.

There is, of course, significant progress in the work of law enforcement agencies, which this time managed to notice the call to unrest. However, the fact that a significant number of people pecked at him suggests that information work in the bodies is still far from perfect. So, the refutation from the Ministry of Internal Affairs appeared only on the morning of the next day, after the “gathering”. The provocateurs took advantage of this clumsiness, knowing that on weekends the bodies would not be able to promptly refute. Meanwhile, the information war has no break either for the weekend, or for lunch, or for holidays.

In addition, those provoked were convinced that the government was ready and able to hide from the public the facts of crimes committed by migrants and visitors from the southern republics, in order to preserve the illusion of stability. Therefore, even in time, this refutation would not calm everyone down. This means that the full transparency of the authorities in this direction is even more important than the rapid response to "stuffing".

The more information the population receives, the less chance of success will remain in the info attack in the spirit of “the power covers the outrage of blacks”.

Here I recall the recent история about “Sharia patrols” in Tatarstan. After the publication of the article, we received a claim from one of our readers that the article is not true: there are no “patrols” in Tatarstan - and in general the topic is deliberately inflated to destroy the interethnic and interfaith peace in the republic.

Being confident in the reliability of my unofficial sources, I tried to find additional evidence for the incident in the Market Bats, but I could not. The victims of the Wahhabis did not write to the police, they did not receive any injuries to the hospital. That is, officially there are no “Sharia patrols” in the Bazaar Mats. However, as I managed to find out (from unofficial, again, sources), the local authorities were so alarmed by the clash that they are trying to silence it in every possible way, as there are already enough officially confirmed unpleasant incidents with Wahhabi coloring. The motivation of the authorities in this case is clear - no one wants to get on the head from the higher authorities for failures in such a delicate matter.

It turns out that even I, who hold the pro-government position of a journalist, in some cases do not have absolute confidence in official information, and I tend to trust the unofficial more.

What to say about those young guys from the “people's gathering” in Perm who are not at all accustomed to critically perceive the “info” even at the elementary level?

Again, the authorities have no choice but to be open on the issue of interethnic and inter-ethnic relations, if it wants to win on this front. It seems to me that this is a question of rational choice - it is better to recognize existing problems and concentrate on solving them, enlisting the support of society, rather than hide them, pandering to provocateurs and the authorities worrying about their career in the field.
Author:
Originator:
http://www.odnako.org/
84 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. makst83
    makst83 16 January 2014 09: 19
    +58
    Well, as Permyak, I can tell you, the number of Asians for such a Russian city as Perm has exceeded all conceivable and unimaginable values. For example, there is such a district in Perm-Zaostrovka, so it is already just populated by migrants. But that would be tolerable if not one BUT-gadyushnik in the very center of the millionth city called the Central Market (where you can buy ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING and KNOW EVERYTHING about it), from several sides it is adjoined by barracks, so in the mornings and evenings it often seems that you do not live in the Urals , and in Ashgabat. For Perm, which is, though accustomed to multinational (Russian, someone Permian, that
    containers, Bashkirs, Udmurts) - it’s all the same shock. Moreover, Asians in the market itself have been quite provocative for a long time.
    And what is surprising ..... about this incident (murder and national gathering), MOST of my friends and acquaintances HAVE NOT HEARED, have not heard from groups on social networks, local news agencies, even from "one grandma said" and if they did from FEDERALS!
    Something like that!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 15: 29
      +37
      Quote: makst83
      for such a Russian city as Perm, it exceeded all conceivable and inconceivable meanings

      Yes, they are all over Russia like dirt. Until there is clear legislation, we will be raking the consequences. And the casket just opens, the return of the institute of registration, and the impossibility of obtaining citizenship not by indigenous nationalities. hi
      1. Uhe
        Uhe 16 January 2014 15: 58
        +22
        This is all particular. And the general thing is a state policy on the importation of visitors here, who then work for a penny on the bourgeoisie close to power. Putney said that he would import migrants, and resettle internal to Russian cities, which means they would import and resettle. Until these newcomers crowded out all the Russians, and then they took up the rest.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 16 January 2014 16: 11
          +10
          Quote: Uhe
          And the general thing is the state policy on the importation of visitors here, who then they work for a penny on the bourgeoisie close to power.

          This is where the root of evil lies. My opinion is that all this gastarbarism will continue, until the owner appears in the country, he seems to be there, but it seems to be not. request
          1. vadimN
            vadimN 16 January 2014 17: 07
            +4
            Quote: Sirocco
            that this whole gastarbarism will continue, until the owner appears in the country, he seems to be there, but it seems to be not.


            Yes, no it! If it was, it would be some kind of business, or else just words to calm public opinion. Nothing but chatter.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 18: 49
              +8
              Quote: vadimN
              Yes, no it!

              He is, only his goals are most likely different. our government reminds me of a gang rolled like a thimble - one rolls, the other invites, the third, fourth play along, and another couple on the stream. and you and I, the people i.e. - suckers. hi
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 16 January 2014 19: 20
                0
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osaEjHidLoQ&feature=youtu.be
                I have nothing to add to this video.
          2. CALL.
            CALL. 16 January 2014 18: 15
            0
            Quote: Sirocco
            until the owner appears in the country, he seems to be there, but it seems to be not.

            Rather, the second.
        2. PKTRL
          PKTRL 16 January 2014 19: 58
          0
          judging by the comments and previous articles, the next mishandled Cossack ...
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. Su24
          Su24 16 January 2014 22: 44
          -2
          Quote: Uhe
          This is all particular. And the general thing is a state policy on the importation of visitors here, who then work for a penny on the bourgeoisie close to power. Putney said that he would import migrants, and resettle internal to Russian cities, which means they would import and resettle. Until these newcomers crowded out all the Russians, and then they took up the rest.


          What nonsense are you talking about? When did Putin (or any of the leaders) say that?

          All problems are from unbelief, I will tell you.
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 16 January 2014 16: 01
        +6
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        return of the institute of registration, and the impossibility of obtaining citizenship by non-indigenous nationalities.


        Ingvar, but you didn’t notice that no one canceled the registration institute? Or do you think that according to 100-200, people in the 2-x apartment are just prescribed?

        Quote: Ingvar 72
        and the impossibility of obtaining citizenship by non-indigenous nationalities.


        What exactly do you mean?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 16: 18
          +5
          Can you?
          Quote: SHILO
          Ingvar, but you didn’t notice that no one canceled the registration institute?
          Previously, you weren’t hired without a local registration, and you couldn’t be in a foreign city for more than 3 (if I’m not mistaken in terms) months.
          Quote: SHILO
          What exactly do you mean?

          What I wrote, then I have. The impossibility of obtaining citizenship by citizens of non-indigenous nationalities. Those. Tatars, Chuvashs, Chukchi and the same Chechens historically live in Russia, and are indigenous. As in the Emirates and the CA.
          P.S. Ukrainians and Belarusians consider Russian. hi
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 16 January 2014 17: 22
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            What I wrote, then I have. The impossibility of obtaining citizenship by citizens of non-indigenous nationalities. Those. Tatars, Chuvashs, Chukchi and the same Chechens historically live in Russia, and are indigenous.


            Ingvar is the death of Russia. Russia as a Great Power. I am sorry that a person with a critical attitude to the world and very sober comments is following the path of banal Nazis. And who is more "alien" to Russia: Chukchi or Ukrainian, I am not ready to answer (as you read the Ukrainian press, so it seems that the Ukrainians have succeeded more in committing mischief in Russia).
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 18: 53
              +9
              Quote: SHILO
              And who is more "alien" for Russia: Chukchi or Ukrainian,

              You didn’t understand me correctly, I wrote below specifically for you, that -
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              P.S. Ukrainians and Belarusians consider Russian.

              We are one nation, and sooner or later we will be a single country. hi
              1. SHILO
                SHILO 16 January 2014 20: 51
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                You didn’t understand me correctly, I wrote below specifically for you, that -


                Already when I typed on the "clave" - ​​I realized that I did not understand!
            2. PKTRL
              PKTRL 16 January 2014 20: 07
              +1
              I support your thoughts 100%. Excuse me .., for a minus, I wanted to put a plus, the mouse "podpizzhivaet .." (
            3. The comment was deleted.
            4. General Ermolov
              General Ermolov 17 January 2014 13: 15
              0
              otherwise it is the death of all Russians in Russia
              and only one name remains
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Egen
        Egen 16 January 2014 16: 07
        +39
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And the casket just opens - the return of the institute of registration, and the impossibility of obtaining citizenship by non-indigenous nationalities

        Ingvar, dear hi , well, what are you talking about :( You probably have not personally encountered our laws and southerners :( All laws and all power are on their side!
        An example of a month ago: the devil pulled his sister to rent an apartment _tadzhik_ (not Caucasian!), Cried tearfully, a Russian wife and her child are discharged from the hospital tomorrow have nowhere to go, he worked in America, showed their rights, etc., residence permit of the Russian Federation and registration, left the South back in the USSR, working ... Well, what is not ideal ?! I passed it, I was a fool ... I didn’t take the payment right away - I said no to myself, tomorrow ... but the contract was signed with a real estate company ...
        ... and tomorrow it started - "let's register at the place of residence". And my sister, even if she wanted to, an apartment in a mortgage at the bank - without his consent cannot. Well, then it started! The money is clear figs, the locks have changed, the district does not care, the man of the cart rolled to the police and the prosecutor's office that he was being offended, his sister was dragged and the fine was soldered ... and everywhere he is right, and not the owner of the apartment, no one has the right to evict him, but in Housing office pay 4 sput per month for it (water and electricity) - these are the laws!
        Yes, he called and the accomplices threatened to swear, and when you call him, he records the calls to the police ... In general, when the court deigned 2 months later and for some reason he accepted the application through the prosecutor’s office, the guy dumped, the whole epic was with the Ministry of Emergencies so that the police would allow your own! open the apartment ...
        And you say :) Oh, how patient I am to any other, but now ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 16: 27
          +6
          Quote: Egen
          You probably have not personally encountered our laws and southerners

          And in our country is it possible not to encounter them?
          Quote: Egen
          and everywhere he’s right, not the owner of the apartment, no one has the right to evict him,

          Something fabulous. I would kick out. Lawyers are on the site? Explain how this is possible?
          But in any case, this issue can be resolved either from above or by mass performances in several cities at once. Local riots such as Kondapogi and Biryulev will not lead to anything. hi
          1. Egen
            Egen 16 January 2014 16: 43
            +6
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Something fabulous. I would kick out. Are lawyers on the site? Explain how this is possible?

            I also wanted to. But I - you will laugh - a third of the family are lawyers, they did not. The cousin (and he was foolish in uniform) came up at first to talk; I’m telling you, man, well done, he immediately dashed out threats to the police and the prosecutor’s office, the cops weren’t fools, they didn’t respond :) But the sister got from the state, absolutely nothing, but if there would have been kicks ... alas ... , the state is such a machine, just put your finger in it :(
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. KCC
              KCC 16 January 2014 17: 00
              +5
              Your situation is strange, your sister is standing with a pockmarked residence permit, then they opened the door, pulled out a man and his things put down a new door and goodbye. Total business, and before that, notify him through the mail of the eviction and termination of the contract.
              1. Egen
                Egen 16 January 2014 17: 12
                +7
                Quote: KCC
                Your situation is strange

                Yeah, but no matter how! :))
                1) The Ministry of Emergency Situations just does not open the door - if only I forgot the keys; and if people scream at the door that don’t open, I live rightfully here - the Ministry of Emergencies turns around and leaves, and then arrives only when you ensure the presence of the police with a court order! In addition, the man said the 3-th time, I wrote a statement also in the Ministry of Emergency Situations that they are trying to evict him :)
                2) Get the man out - violence, they will put me in prison, what are you doing! :)
                3) To pull out his things - in his absence is interpreted as theft and in the presence - almost a robbery :)
                4) I’ll notify you through the mail, it’s only a fine for a car from the cameras if you didn’t receive it, it means that you received it, but here you need his signature or witnesses, and if he didn’t open the door, it doesn’t count, only if you stick the handle and throws it, but previously picking up :)
                More questions? :) Ask, I, too, for a couple of months already, not everything, but many of the dirty tricks of our legislation first-hand - the police and judges - I recognized: ((
                Yes, for example, you are responsible for everything that the apartment carries :) It will flood the neighbors - you are to blame, and then try to sue him, he doesn’t have a residence permit, only the registration is where he never appears and where to look for him: (
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 16 January 2014 18: 46
                  +7
                  Yes you, dear Egen, a braggart (from the popular word meaning "lover to ride on the ears") laughing

                  Quote: Egen
                  I passed it, I was a fool ... I didn’t take the payment right away - I said no to myself, tomorrow ... but the contract was signed with a real estate company ...
                  ... and tomorrow it started - "let's register at the place of residence". And my sister, even if she wanted to, an apartment in a mortgage at the bank - without his consent cannot. Well, then it started! The money is clear figs, the locks have changed, the district does not care, the man of the cart rolled to the police and the prosecutor's office that he was being offended, his sister was dragged and the fine was soldered ... and everywhere he is right, and not the owner of the apartment, no one has the right to evict him, but in Housing office pay 4 sput per month for it (water and electricity) - these are the laws!

                  You can see the scan of the contract (erase your personal data), I want to laugh at how real estate companies breed suckers.
                  Did you ask for registration? - So, your sister is sorry for her consent to give, temporary registration does not oblige her to anything. Unless there is more to pay for water and gas if there are no meters. So again the question is - how did you draw up and sign the contract? Ah, an apartment in a mortgage, you need the consent of the bank - but how did you pass the housing without the consent of the bank? A bank can even take an apartment with such a development of events. Legally.
                  The district policeman in FIG? He lives on a Tajik site without registration, but he doesn’t care !? You have either millionaires going to the district police officers, or saints ...
                  Why was my sister fined? Wording? For renting an apartment but not paying taxes? laughing
                  And for the employer to be right everywhere, and not the owner, this is complete nonsense after the name of the famous Vietnamese pilot.
                  Quote: Egen
                  and then arrives only when _you_ provide the police with a court order!

                  What do you want? If, when concluding a rental contract, you do not realize that legal procedures require patience and time, then this is your naivety and your problems.
                  Quote: Egen
                  Yes, for example, you are responsible for everything that happens with the apartment :) It will flood the neighbors - you are to blame

                  Another question is how the contract is drawn up. Without sucker, life is bad.

                  In general, according to the totality of the facts that you indicated, it turns out that your sister instilled a Tajik under a contract that she herself drew up, without realtors. She took the money from the peasant without a receipt and decided to throw it, anyway the Tajik, who will listen to him. But the man turned out to be a hardy dozen and lasted a couple of months. I think they took a prepayment for six months?

                  Be an honest and decent person and people will reach for you.
                  1. SHILO
                    SHILO 16 January 2014 19: 01
                    +2
                    nerd.su  Today, 18: 46 ↑ New

                    Yes you, dear Egen, a braggart (from the popular word meaning "lover to ride on the ears")


                    Well, that's what I'm saying. There are lawyers on the site! laughing
                    1. nerd.su
                      nerd.su 16 January 2014 19: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: SHILO
                      Well, that's what I'm saying. There are lawyers on the site!

                      Mistake, however! I'm not a lawyer, I just rented a lot of apartments, and once even rented out smile
                      And as for clarifying the meaning of the word "braggart" in context, it is the consequences of the atrocities of the moderators. The other day I wrote an extensive commentary about painful issues, but I tried literally. However, I overlooked and when I tried to send it I received a message about the inadmissibility of publication and everything was lost! If only the sent text was saved or something, so that it could be edited ... So now I'm reinsured, since the Russian language is rich and multifaceted! smile
                      1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. Egen
                    Egen 17 January 2014 06: 26
                    0
                    Quote: bot.su
                    Be an honest and decent person and people will reach for you.

                    Sergey, somehow somehow ... ...
                    Quote: bot.su
                    on the totality of facts

                    are you accusing me of lying? :( God forbid what, I will call you for help, okay? :) Here you almost open your soul and you: ((
                    1) it’s a pity for your consent to be given, temporary registration does not oblige it to anything - we realized that then you can’t drive it out of life
                    2) standard real estate contract for 1 page, unfortunately I do not have it
                    3) how did you surrender your accommodation without the consent of the bank - that’s exactly what the bank doesn’t care about, it’s only in the mortgage
                    4) A bank can even take an apartment with such a development of events - absolutely cannot
                    5) He lives on a Tajik without registration, and he doesn’t see - well, yes ... what's so surprising? He has registration at a different address within the 1 city, all the rules. Considering that I myself spent 40 min under the window in the regional department while 2 ensign and 2 Late quarreled with each other and finally found a piece of paper who was in the precinct and where to theoretically look for him, I am surprised your surprise ... what city do you live in ... ? The country seems to be the same ...
                    6) For what the sister was fined - for the type, at some time, she had to inform the migrant about the residence of a foreign citizen and register there and there. Just do not be clever, not every day foreigners rent apartments :)
                    7) you do not realize that legal procedures require patience and time, this is your naivety and your problems - so still, to beat or not to beat, is that the question? :))
                    8) Another question to how the contract is drawn up is the law, the owner is responsible for everything
                    1. nerd.su
                      nerd.su 17 January 2014 15: 23
                      -1
                      Quote: Egen
                      are you accusing me of lying? :(

                      Yes, I do not blame, I’m not a prosecutor. I state a fact - you broadcast as Trotsky.
                      Quote: Egen
                      God forbid what, I will call you for help, okay?

                      I’m certainly not going to go to Kemerovo to evict your tenants or to get out debts smile , but I’ll help you with advice. Call me.
                      Quote: Egen
                      You almost open your soul here, and you: ((

                      Do not pour out your soul. At least that way. You read you, expound so tearfully that the thought comes - also say "I will complain to my mother."
                      The rest of your masturbation does not make sense, except for paragraph 7. To beat or not to beat, that’s the question! laughing It was clear at once that all your attempts to bring a person to the idea that the law is powerless and must be soaked. But you can't get this thought to "come by itself" to a person! They themselves have articulated laughing
                      So I answer you - you better not hit! And then they'll go to jail. Sell ​​your apartment, but go to some kind of "civilized democratic country." The fewer such crying "Russians" in Russia, the purer the Russian blood.
                  3. The comment was deleted.
              2. The comment was deleted.
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. SHILO
            SHILO 16 January 2014 17: 37
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Are lawyers on the site? Explain how this is possible?


            There are lawyers and lawyers say: "Perhaps!"
          4. Yeraz
            Yeraz 16 January 2014 22: 48
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Something fabulous. I would kick out. Are lawyers on the site? Explain how this is possible?

            Yes, the dude is trolling. Yeah, the owner can not drive out the tenant, and the police are silent because of the Tajik who removes the hut))) Either full or Troll or so dumb-headed that it causes nothing except laughter))
            1. Egen
              Egen 17 January 2014 06: 02
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              Either full or Troll, or so dumb-headed that besides laughter it causes nothing))

              The whole regional center type stupid? :) Next time come help if so smart :)
              hi
            2. The comment was deleted.
          5. General Ermolov
            General Ermolov 17 January 2014 13: 18
            0
            What do lawyers have to do with it?
            I'm working in the civil service
            and do you think lawyers decide something?
            everything is decided by the degree of acquaintance in the echelons of power
        2. your1970
          your1970 16 January 2014 17: 43
          +2
          since she didn’t receive any money, one could try to invalidate the contract, hereinafter referred to as fraud,
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Egen
            Egen 16 January 2014 17: 48
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            since she didn’t receive any money, one could try to invalidate the contract, hereinafter - fraud

            That's what they did :) Even in the contract it was written that he terminated by himself :) A friend (personally and for a long time) the judge said - only for you we will make a decision in six months :)
            More questions? )
            1. your1970
              your1970 16 January 2014 23: 14
              +1
              just consulted with a judge - no more than 2 months to consider, simultaneously with a lawsuit for eviction (if she is the owner and there is no money, they will be evicted without straining) + a lawsuit to recover money for housing and communal services (it is unlikely that they will be exacted :(), there is no fraud ( I was wrong).
              Strongly spat at the words of 6 months - said that "A friend (personally and for a long time) judge" is breaking like a gray gelding or is it Moscow, where all laws n ... uh ...
              1. Egen
                Egen 17 January 2014 05: 27
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                But this is Moscow, where everyone has laws ... uh ...

                Just not Moscow, but the hinterland - Siberia :(
                2 month - when taking into account the turnout,

                "there is an international decision on the equality of the parties in 1966. If you have taken all the steps to notify the opposing party, but she is not notified :))) then the court may consider in the absence of the opposing party, so your rights are violated by the opposing party."
                - That's right, but the court is obliged ... 2 or 3? times to send an invitation to the court, or he must take it and bring confirmation that he handed it, or they, the judicial people, it’s clear for them to go, then turn again, in short, only to prove that he was not given only a month. Then a meeting is scheduled, no one is postponed, and the postponement is due, because the court is overwhelmed with cases, it’s 2 min or even a month, and so on ... The clerk worked under the USSR, it seems to be the same, but it was somehow easier ... and now it’s not that the police - even the judges step fear left and right - supervisory authorities. And not only the prosecutor's office, but in this case also the migratory workers. For some reason, these are the animals we finally have :( The sister did not have time to cross their threshold (as he said, the peasant wrote a statement to them about the infringement of his rights) the women drove there, they wrote out a fine, and in general, all ran away in tears :( And in court in such cases, the migration said worse than lawyers :(
                Here it is strange, like "their own", but for such laws they defend ... It is clear that the law is a law, it must be implemented, this is their job, but ... some treat at least with understanding, and some also with arrivals. Strange, is it really money and capitalism that changed us so? :(
              2. The comment was deleted.
        3. max702
          max702 16 January 2014 20: 40
          +12
          There are three good rules for dealing with the dominance of visitors, they have repeatedly sounded on the site
          is:
          1 Do not buy anything from them
          2 Do not take them to work
          3 Do not rent them housing
          That's all, personally prove by your own example that they are not needed here at your place and you do not need anything from them.
        4. General Ermolov
          General Ermolov 17 January 2014 13: 17
          0
          until they press their asses, everyone is very tolerant and liberal
      5. predator.3
        predator.3 16 January 2014 22: 12
        +3
        However, once again, it is noteworthy that it was easy to bring more than a hundred young people ready for illegal actions to the streets.

        Yes, they already got all of Russia, yesterday, only while walking with children, an Uzbek flock roamed nearby, assessing our women in their gibberish to see problems with masturbation.
      6. cdboy
        cdboy 20 January 2014 16: 24
        0
        Gold words. Torn off the tongue!
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 16 January 2014 15: 29
      +4
      Quote: makst83
      Well, I can tell you like Perm

      Quote: makst83
      And what is surprising ..... about this incident (murder and national gathering), MOST of my friends and acquaintances HAVE NOT HEARED, have not heard from groups on social networks, local news agencies, even from "one grandma said" and if they did from FEDERALS!
      It turns out this article DISINFORMATION on "DISINFORMATION" in Perm, why in quotation marks, but because there was nothing, and if it was not on such a scale.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 16 January 2014 18: 06
        +4
        Quote: evgenii67
        It turns out this article DISINFORMATION on "DISINFORMATION" in Perm, why in quotation marks, but because there was nothing, and if it was not on such a scale.

        Not surprised. E. Super works with the support of the ISEPS fund (director Badovsky), the fund created the ONF program, one of the main founders of the fund is the United Russia party. Do you still have questions about where does the wind blow from? And from which snuffbox do bloggers such as Super and Kovrigin (made by us).
    3. SHILO
      SHILO 16 January 2014 15: 57
      +4
      (except for the name "Maxim Firstov", there is no data on the source)


      And bring this clear water Maxim Firstov to the clear water. Big problem ?! belay Strange ?!
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 16 January 2014 21: 48
        +1
        Quote: SHILO
        (except for the name "Maxim Firstov", there is no data on the source)


        And bring this clear water Maxim Firstov to the clear water. Big problem ?! belay Strange ?!

        After reading the article, I was convinced that it was the Ministry of Internal Affairs that organized itself a "successful counteraction to Russian extremism" in order to correct the indicators, the plan.
        However, once again, it is noteworthy that it was easy to bring more than a hundred young people ready for illegal actions to the streets.
        And with the same ease the policemen tied them up.
        But in real cases, for some reason they always turn out to be unprepared.
    4. A.YARY
      A.YARY 16 January 2014 15: 57
      +12
      As for the article. It's like in that fairy tale when the kid shouted "Wolf !!" for laughing.
      Such jokes should not be passed by "jokers" in vain!
      But the problem is that, with that inaction, and sometimes just indulging (for bribe) to immigrants, the option of provocation has grown into a wide pogrom is quite possible!
      I do not mind pogrom all this sucking immigrant scum but, every time it turns out that the alarm was raised falsely and everyone calms down, the strength goes to zero.
      As in boxing, a blow into the air is bad for the one who inflicts it; it takes strength. In this case, it reduces belief in the next alarm.
    5. Christian
      Christian 17 January 2014 07: 06
      +1
      The author is a pravocator himself! Russians are being killed right and left, and "loyal putintsy" blame it on the right-of-way!
    6. tolan_petrovich
      tolan_petrovich 17 January 2014 07: 12
      +2
      Sam from Perm, support !!!
  2. Russ69
    Russ69 16 January 2014 15: 42
    +3
    If you let the misinformation on a sore subject. That, for some, it is perceived, at times ...
  3. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 January 2014 15: 43
    +11
    Wishing to find more than a hundred. However, upon arriving at the “gathering” site, they found police officers' outfits and buses for transportation to the department
    They know how to work whenever they want .. If only they could catch real "suicide bombers" and bandits so quickly .. but for now, alas ..
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 16 January 2014 15: 50
      +19
      250 bodies fell into the box only in 13 year, several hundred were taken into circulation and give testimony. The work is in progress. It is very annoying to read - BUT ALAAS YET AH. Tell this to the operatives in Makhachkala, how they do not catch bandits and about their work "whenever they want"
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 16 January 2014 17: 25
        +3
        Quote: c-Petrov
        250 bodies fell into the box only in 13 year, several hundred were taken into circulation and give testimony. The work is in progress. It is very annoying to read - BUT ALAAS YET AH. Tell this to the operatives in Makhachkala, how they do not catch bandits and about their work "whenever they want"

        They work well (if we take into account our vast territories and a large number of illegal immigrants, corruption) And my "Alas" is more in the direction of our legislation .. Now, thank God, they have come to their senses and have begun to adopt appropriate anti-terror laws that should increase the efficiency of our special services ...! It's hard for them now .. men are working hard ..
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 16: 05
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      They know how to work whenever they want .. If only they could catch real "suicide bombers" and bandits so quickly .. but for now, alas

      Hi Vitaliy. hi And it seems to me that most likely they launched this mule on the social network themselves. hi
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 16 January 2014 16: 34
        +12
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And it seems to me that most likely they launched this mule on the social network themselves.

        Ingvar hi ! The number of such mulches will increase every day more and more. Reasons: 1) Russia prevented the victory of the "interjihad" rabble in Syria. 2) Russia in the negotiations on the Iranian nuclear weapons became a co-author of the Geneva Agreements, which caused hysteria in Riyadh and Tel Aviv (whose Iranophobia is off the charts). 3) Russia has declared its rights to the Arctic, backing up its statement by building up the Navy and deploying WB in the Arctic. And most importantly: REFUSED falls under the matrix of "minority dictatorship" imposed by foreign agents such as Alekseeva, Navalny, etc., i.e. became "politically incorrect". These four points have become more than enough so that the entire anti-Russian shobla, both inside Russia and beyond its borders, would be welded on the basis of - "Union against ..." (Russia, Putin, "oppression" of the sexual minority, "impending totalitarianism" - it is necessary to emphasize ) and set about creating terrorist servants, homegrown experts, who confuse the search for true customers, ideologists with the slogan "IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO LIVE !!!". The slogan "Everything for the front, everything for victory" is relevant not only for a just cause. Everything possible and not possible is used to sway Russia.
        1. Angry reader
          Angry reader 16 January 2014 19: 05
          0
          that's it hi about .. the mulets will continue or after the Olympic sweatshirt something more seriously looms on the horizon.?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 19: 15
            0
            Quote: Angry Reader
            or after the olympics

            Let's see, it’s not long to wait.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. PKTRL
          PKTRL 16 January 2014 20: 43
          +2
          The number of such mulches will increase every day more and more. Reasons: 1) Russia prevented the victory of the "interjihad" rabble in Syria. 2) Russia in the negotiations on the Iranian nuclear weapons became a co-author of the Geneva Agreements, which caused hysteria in Riyadh and Tel Aviv (whose Iranophobia is off the charts). 3) Russia declared its rights to the Arctic, backing up its statement by building up the Navy and deploying WB in the Arctic. And most importantly: REFUSED falls under the matrix of "minority dictatorship" imposed by foreign agents such as Alekseeva, Navalny, etc., i.e. became "politically incorrect". These four points have become more than enough so that the entire anti-Russian shobla, both inside Russia and beyond its borders, would be welded on the basis of - "Union against ..." (Russia, Putin, "oppression" of the sexual minority, "impending totalitarianism" - it is necessary to emphasize ) and set about creating terrorist servants, homegrown experts, who confuse the search for true customers, ideologists with the slogan "IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO LIVE !!!". The slogan "Everything for the front, everything for victory" is relevant not only for a just cause. Everything possible and not possible is used to sway Russia.
          A thousand times right, and on this site there are "workers" of democracy, but much less than a year ago.
        5. The comment was deleted.
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 16 January 2014 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Hi Vitaliy. hi And it seems to me that they probably launched this mule on the social network themselves.

        Good evening Ingvar! You are right by the way .. This "mulechka" immediately revealed "young boobies" who wanted to organize pogroms and heat up the already tense situation in the city .. If you correctly analyze the social network, then a lot of things can be prevented I hope our special services will finally be allowed to legally do this .. As in the "democratic" Western countries ..
  4. INC_1254
    INC_1254 16 January 2014 15: 48
    +16
    I also live in Perm, and I am 20 years old, there are many acquaintances and friends of the same age, and none of us heard about this until I read it in the news on Monday morning and did not see messages in VK either, I completely support makst83 in his opinion about the Central Market, and by the way, this bar, and many other bars, especially those located on the street. Pushkin along the market is just a hotbed of immigrants from the North Caucasus and other republics, and fights happen quite often with "them" and even more often not at the initiative of the local population and our young guys, and in the evenings on weekends (Fri and Sat), I think it's just there it is dangerous for health to appear alone or even together.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 16 January 2014 18: 43
      +3
      There is an etching of people on national and religious grounds.
      The guys are engaged in martial arts, team up, arm yourself with traumatism, learn the basics of knife fighting. Remember, jackals always attack when they feel their strength and numerical superiority.
  5. Egen
    Egen 16 January 2014 15: 54
    +4
    "However, once again, attention is drawn to the fact with what ease it was possible to bring more than a hundred young people ready for illegal actions onto the street."
    - this is the fact of bringing people out into the street not just like that, but against lawlessness and visiting "owners", the author himself writes:
    "It turns out that even me, a pro-state journalist, in some cases does not have absolute trust in official information, and I tend to trust unofficial information more."
    As a result, the people do not believe in the defense of power and return to the right of a strong Wild West ...
  6. Jarik56
    Jarik56 16 January 2014 15: 55
    +15
    They have already filled everything! If those who arrived in the 90s spoke Russian and behaved normally, then these were impudent to impossibility. All of them must be expelled, danger is in them, and not in opposition screamers.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 16 January 2014 16: 19
      +2
      Quote: Jarik56
      They have already filled everything! If those who arrived in the 90s spoke Russian and behaved normally, then these were impudent to impossibility.
      good
      fight only personally. there is no hope for bureaucrats at all. and law enforcers are subordinate to bureaucrats. so do it yourself. True, they can plant request
      1. Vittt
        Vittt 17 January 2014 13: 32
        +1
        What a blessing that I live in Belarus. We have almost NO THESE! I will vote for Lukashenko if they were not yet 50 years old. For another 50 years it will be possible to look at the fair-haired, fair-skinned, sweethearted beauties, without signs of degenerative scum!
  7. lawyer
    lawyer 16 January 2014 15: 55
    +4
    Thanks to our authorities and edlro for attention to the Russians,
  8. INC_1254
    INC_1254 16 January 2014 15: 56
    +4
    And by the way, I was not an eyewitness to many of the detained 14-17 years old, but as I heard this, the teenagers gathered to look at the so-called "dark" and they were loaded for the company, which is why there are such a large number of people.
  9. Goodmen
    Goodmen 16 January 2014 15: 58
    +11
    Yes, everything is simple ...
    Tense atmosphere. People of power do not believe. Seeing with my own eyes an ever-increasing increase in the number of visitors. Observing for yourself or from the stories of acquaintances the facts of incorrect behavior up to the criminality of individuals or groups. The sluggishness of law enforcement agencies in resolving this kind of issues, the passivity of local administrative power. Increasingly growing diasporas that put forward their demands (hijabs, mosques, social packages and citizenship for non-citizens, etc.). Captured markets. The influx of Asians in the housing and communal services.
    People remember the Russian genocide and not only in the countries of Central Asia and in certain regions of the Caucasus in the late 80s and early 90s.
    And from all that he heard in his head, it is not without reason that it is ripening that the bell rings on them.
    As for provocations, it’s clear that in the Russian Federation there are forces that can help incite ethnic hatred.
    Well, for some reason, I have confidence that no matter how provocateurs try to "interethnic strife" neither towards the Buryats, nor the Yakuts, nor the Tatars, nor the Kazakhs, nor the Bashkirs, etc., adequate nations will not be able to kindle in me.
    Until people see the sane migration policy from the authorities, the sane attitude of the administrative authorities towards the indigenous population, a firm stance on diasporas, and not flirting with them, etc. etc. - provocateurs will be believed. And, I repeat, not without reason.
    1. PPL
      PPL 16 January 2014 16: 24
      +3
      As for provocations, it’s clear that in the Russian Federation there are forces that can help incite ethnic hatred.

      You are right, but "these forces" not only in the Russian Federation, in the flock of our foreign "friends" are full of those who want to destroy the national balance, which is more and more difficult to maintain every day.
      The curiosity of adolescents is understandable, and herd feelings at this age are very strong, in addition, the media have been warming up the viewer with such stories for several years now, and "smart" heads from various editions offer money for such an "exclusive". A person is by nature weak and susceptible to temptations, and a teenager with a fragile psyche - even more so. Therefore, the stake of provocateurs is primarily on them.
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 16 January 2014 16: 54
        +6
        I completely agree about the flock of "foreign friends".
        As for the media, it seems to me that they are "warming up" correctly. Although the issue is controversial, of course.
        And among the Russian scumbags there are more than enough ... if not for one little "BUT" ... no matter how scumbags they are - they are "their" scumbags ... we are also imported and multiplied by "aliens" and far from the image of civilized ... With an alien culture, mentality. With confidence in impunity, indifference.
        Why do we need to increase the number of crimes? And where then to look for these criminals? Yes, and if they find, where is the guarantee that the Diaspora will not let you go quietly? Who are we to them?
        Therefore, it seems to me that, other things being equal, the crimes of migrants are more resonant. Therefore, they are covered in the media ... if they were silent, it would be worse ...
        Regarding age, young people are swinging faster. And it’s easier for them to get together thanks to the Internet in which they almost completely sit.
        Older people have a more pragmatic look. But if they go out into the streets in hundreds and thousands, then little will not seem to anyone. But for this, as practice shows, a very serious reason is needed. And they will already find out the relationship by adult.
        IMHO.
        1. calocha
          calocha 16 January 2014 17: 24
          +3
          In the USSR they were hushed up, it was worse !!!! ???? Please do not carry nonsense. Your own thugs, strangers, you have a strange reasoning ... There is a subtle probing and someone (I think this is work from behind a hill) reads the reaction, there is a deep analysis of the "stuffing" ....
          1. Goodmen
            Goodmen 17 January 2014 11: 53
            +1
            Uncle ... in the USSR there was no such lawlessness ...
            I’m not talking nonsense. This is not nonsense, but an analysis of the situation.
            And about probing - maybe you're right.

            And there is no smoke without fire.
  10. Russki
    Russki 16 January 2014 16: 09
    +15
    The fact remains that black-asses need to be driven out of here. I haven’t seen one at the factory and I’m in charge of cafes. During the transport collapse in the winter on the road in 2012, prices poured a glass of tea at 100 rubles while the truckers froze.
  11. RUSS
    RUSS 16 January 2014 16: 25
    +3
    In this case, it is alarming that people seem to be waiting for such events and incidents, they are ready at the first "whistle" indiscriminately to gather and "kill everyone." Reasons: the first is really sick of it! And the second - the youth is radicalized!
    1. Jarik56
      Jarik56 16 January 2014 16: 31
      +3
      Quote: RUSS
      In this case, it is alarming that people seem to be waiting for such events and incidents, they are ready at the first "whistle" indiscriminately to gather and "kill everyone." Reasons: the first is really sick of it! And the second - the youth is radicalized!

      And this is also true, because it is boring!
  12. VirtusEtHonor
    VirtusEtHonor 16 January 2014 16: 31
    -3
    Nationalism has never brought to good, you can not interfere with ordinary people and citizens with those who want to discredit them. Islam as a whole is a peaceful religion for most people, but it is beneficial for someone that there are differences and discord in the Russian Federation, it is easier to unleash a civil war. A handful of radical Islamists are not all Muslims, and do not interfere with the empty and the empty. As a citizen of Kazakhstan, I’ll say that we have many peaceful people who profess Islam and are very good at representatives of other religions (I’m an atheist myself), but this does not change the fact that terrorists and jihadists are not creatures of adequate and sensible people, but only a handful of customers and interested parties. Be a little kinder to each other, because how many centuries many nations live side by side in peace and harmony. There are no bad nations, there are bad people, and there are also ill-fated media who fulfill the orders of their masters; you know how. Amen, psml.
    1. Heccrbq.3
      Heccrbq.3 16 January 2014 17: 35
      +7
      Islam is a peaceful religion, nikuya made me laugh. The internet is full of videos with heads being cut off under "Alla I'm in the bar." It will begin now, but these are radicals, but this is not us, we are not like that. and shut up. Damn, I can’t find how the heads of 2m monks were cut off with a blunt knife in Syria.
      1. VirtusEtHonor
        VirtusEtHonor 16 January 2014 18: 10
        +3
        for people like you and the industry works, everything is fine, it is not a shame to be a chipmunk. just sooner or later, when the nuts run out, you will need to come up with something for the chipmunks. less media, internet, more books respected.
    2. homosum20
      homosum20 16 January 2014 18: 53
      +1
      You will send this comment to the relatives of those who died and those who survived in Volgograd. And post the answers.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 19: 13
        +3
        Quote: homosum20
        You will send this comment to the relatives of those who died and those who survived in Volgograd.

        No need to play on such associations. The same can be said about Christianity by the inhabitants of Iraq. hi
      2. VirtusEtHonor
        VirtusEtHonor 16 January 2014 21: 01
        +1
        these are not Muslims, these are pawns in the game World-Russia. As an educated person, I read the Qur'an and the Bible. The herd will always look for whom to blame and whom to run into, it is natural.
    3. CALL.
      CALL. 16 January 2014 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: VirtusEtHonor
      Nationalism has never brought to good

      1) "Nationalism is love for one's nation and care for it" (that is, not just love, but active, active love);
      2) "Nationalism is the instinct of self-preservation of the people; this instinct sleeps when the nation is not threatened, but wakes up in the fateful time of trials." The first (love and care) is true in relation to the individual, the second (the instinct of self-preservation) - in relation to the masses.
      Quote: VirtusEtHonor
      Be a little kinder to each other, because how many centuries many nations live side by side in peace and harmony. There are no bad nations, there are bad people, and there are also ill-fated media who fulfill the orders of their masters; you know how.

      Everything is correctly said, I did not understand why the cons
      1. VirtusEtHonor
        VirtusEtHonor 16 January 2014 21: 49
        +1
        I have nothing against nationalism, naturally within reasonable limits, but then I noticed when they say the bitter truth, it hurts very hard in the face, especially if it is against someone. It's a shame that children, or stupid adults, do not see beyond their nose, thanks to such the Great Country once collapsed. Yes, and the minuses, the pros, this is secondary, maybe I will reach someone else's mind, but this is actually a very big deal!
        1. Egen
          Egen 17 January 2014 06: 58
          0
          [quote = VirtusEtHonor] It's a shame that children, or stupid adults, do not see beyond their nose, thanks to which the Great Country once fell apart.
          [quote = VirtusEtHonor] Be a little kinder to each other, because how many centuries many nations live side by side in peace and harmony [/ quote]
          Respected hi , I support you, however, you see, but - why see beyond your nose? If people think strategically one thing, and then face harsh reality :) - what will they choose? After all, one’s own shirt is closer to the body, it doesn’t depend on upbringing or something of the individual, it’s Maslov’s pyramid, you can’t argue against the laws of nature :( Simplified, this is how a poet cannot write a good verse if he does not have a piece of bread. Bergolts and Khayyam - other cases are clear.
          If you read above about the conflict of interests that took place in me, it turns out that it happens - we are to a person with all our souls and understanding, but he is to us ... to others, and it focuses on the nationalist background. Why is it possible to agree with some humanly, in one language, but not with others? I agree, it does not always depend on nationality, but with its participation there are more such cases ... :(
          Threat by the way, another sister went to Paris on NG, showed pictures. I was in Paris almost 20 years ago. Actually - the nightmare is now going on from visitors! Where is that France :( So in Russia everything is still relatively good :)
        2. The comment was deleted.
  13. JonnyT
    JonnyT 16 January 2014 16: 32
    +11
    Feels underlining network troll provocateurs! People, sit less in social networks, and spend time on the street in the company of friends! Periodically beat arrogant chebureks and you will be happy!
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 16 January 2014 16: 48
      +6
      They should not be beaten but evicted to hell and all Asians. Our government is no longer able to solve this issue, it is time for the people to solve it .... they completely caved in under the blacks, for the sake of an additional pension for old age, and they themselves will be dumped over the hill. not much else, after the Olympics the fun will begin.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 19: 10
      0
      Quote: JonnyT
      Periodically beat arrogant chebureks and you will be happy!

      Yes, in the 80s they were more tolerant. Luley snatched out for one or two. Now the current generation has a different mentality. If before youth resembled wolf cubs, now it’s more like jackals. hi
      1. General Ermolov
        General Ermolov 17 January 2014 13: 33
        0
        Now one Russian is being beaten by a crowd
        and the rest stand by and watch
  14. demotivator
    demotivator 16 January 2014 16: 34
    +12
    There is, of course, significant progress in the work of law enforcement agencies, which have managed this time to notice the call for unrest on time.

    And what did they risk, fighting with the Russian guys who gathered at their own, albeit illegal, gathering? It’s not with the armed bandits from the Caucasus to fight, they can shoot. Information appeared on the Internet that in the village of Maryinskaya, Stavropol Territory, even before the bandits killed three brothers from the same family, bearded people of Caucasian nationality in camouflage uniforms walked near the road, they stopped, before the guys, at least TWO cars ... There is also a testimony from a woman who said that she and her husband and child were driving along this road, they were stopped by these militants, posing as law enforcement officials, saying that they had landmarks to their car, asked them to open the rear trunk. The husband turned on the light in the car and started digging through the documents, the wife and the child were sitting in the back, when the militants saw that there was a woman with a child in the back seat, they let them go. You can interpret this behavior in different ways, perhaps they were afraid that the woman would start screaming, because there are residential buildings nearby and they can be seen. According to the woman, the law enforcement agencies were notified about these persons, the Vedmensky district police officer was notified, however, neither the car with the police nor the local police officer left. And what can I say, maybe the holidays were celebrated, or maybe they decided to "relax" after a hard working day, which often happens with them. Draw your own conclusions - bearded men in camouflage uniforms with weapons at the ready calmly walk around towns and villages, committing murders of peaceful and unarmed people with impunity. And these are those who have been on the federal wanted list for years !!! Maybe they will find them someday?
    1. General Ermolov
      General Ermolov 17 January 2014 13: 35
      0
      if they are found
      unnecessary questions will arise
  15. Vadim12
    Vadim12 16 January 2014 16: 44
    +2
    Putin V.V. seems to me such a confident man, but on the issue of migration legislation, namely, toughening, he wrinkles something for a long time. Until there is a clear decision at the level of federal law, the people themselves will take action.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Heccrbq.3
        Heccrbq.3 16 January 2014 17: 38
        +4
        Are you? Abnormal? In our city, all the janitors are Russian. Moscow is not all Russia.
        1. FormerMariman
          FormerMariman 16 January 2014 19: 25
          0
          So you do not speak for all Russian!
        2. VirtusEtHonor
          VirtusEtHonor 16 January 2014 21: 52
          0
          populistic comments, from foolish, I did not expect more. Peace to your home.
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 16 January 2014 19: 29
        +3
        Quote: VirtusEtHonor
        Is a Russian man will sort out his pride and go to work as a broom and a brush?

        I still found those times when the Russians worked as janitors. What about bus drivers. The last 5-6 years, at the wheel of a passenger motor vehicle all migrants. They don’t know the rules, somehow in Russian. Quite the age of those liable for military service. How shoud I understand this.
        60 Wahhabi divisions in Moscow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeIuYCuqo-s
        Maybe - this is somewhat exaggerated. But, the trend however.
        1. VirtusEtHonor
          VirtusEtHonor 16 January 2014 21: 55
          +1
          this is not a reason to crush, humiliate, kick out other PEOPLE who have the same red blood, feelings and tears, this whole thing can be regulated by the LAW and the CONSTITUTION, as well as by the society itself. To do this, you need to look not at PEOPLE but at the ELECTED people, whom you yourself have chosen, and yourself loosened up. Your claims should be to them and not to people who are trying to somehow feed their families.
          1. General Ermolov
            General Ermolov 17 January 2014 13: 37
            -1
            that's why nationalism is not able to solve all problems
            consider me a fascist, but I see the future of Russia only for nat.-socialism
            the good there have already been precedents in history
  16. yllo
    yllo 16 January 2014 16: 56
    +6
    I am also not happy with the migrants. But the question arises: who rents them apartments, who takes them to work and uses their services, who buys goods from them?
    1. zennon
      zennon 16 January 2014 18: 43
      +6
      Quote: yllo
      I am also not happy with the migrants. But the question arises: who rents them apartments, who takes them to work and uses their services, who buys goods from them?

      Indifferent and greedy people. A simple answer to your question. Personally, I conduct a constant campaign of civil disobedience to them: I don’t communicate, I don’t answer questions, I don’t buy, I don’t sit nearby. Just do the same.
  17. calocha
    calocha 16 January 2014 17: 18
    +1
    The state should and is obliged to take over and control all the media. And the topic of terror must be avoided, be silent about it at all! As it was in the USSR !!! The media sow panic and fear, which is what terrorists need ....
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 January 2014 17: 49
      +6
      Yeah, they blew up a neighbor, and you were silent — they blew you up, your home, your family, and you again silently — you put up with them and make slaves and the dumbfounded.
  18. Altona
    Altona 16 January 2014 17: 35
    +8
    Quote: SHILO
    The Chuvashs, Chukchi and the same Chechens historically live in Russia, and are indigenous.

    ------------------------------
    Here it is necessary to share the mentality ... The Ural and Volga peoples, with the annexation to Russia, did not resist the annexation, except for the twice capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible and are quite complementary to the Russians ... the peoples there are very "proud" and their main business was robbing ethnically other neighbors and showing off with a new horse with expensive harness (times have changed, but people have not), respectively, and the fifth point with nationality would not be worth canceling ... It was under Soviet rule and quota, and soft "discrimination" with a check of loyalty ... And now? Loot won everything ... In general, as if we do not live in Russia ... Either a Lezginka, then a horseman at a red traffic light, then a ransom of a suspect from an investigator, and in general ... As if the rest should plow mountain sheep ...
  19. Altona
    Altona 16 January 2014 17: 38
    +1
    I repeat, I'm not a racist, but I have one Caucasian Ч.man М.entally О.distant asked for a loan, a little, 4000 thousand rubles, and promised to return (I certainly did not doubt the "honesty"), he is still returning ... His name is Magician, he lives in Chelyabinsk ...
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 16 January 2014 23: 05
      -4
      Quote: Altona
      4000 thousand

      If you were a normal man, you would be returned to you, and you would not now complain to the people like an offended girl.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  20. individual
    individual 16 January 2014 17: 41
    +5
    In the internal life of Russia there is no intelligible national policy.
    The invasion of a foreign culture causes concern among the population.
    Caucasians, immigrants from Central Asia are able to attract attention.
    Those who have been living among Russians for years do not cause alarm, but the invasion of newcomers with a deliberate demonstration of their customs and practices causes their rejection and rejection.
    This is used by those who destroy the peaceful life between our peoples.
    Here the radicals of both parts of the national spectrum merge.
    A fire ignites from a single spark - it is extinguished by tons of fire fighting equipment.
  21. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 January 2014 17: 44
    +5
    Quote: Altona
    I repeat, I'm not a racist, but I have one Caucasian Ч.man М.entally О.distant asked for a loan, a little, 4000 thousand rubles, and promised to return (I certainly did not doubt the "honesty"), he is still returning ... His name is Magician, he lives in Chelyabinsk ...

    Forget about them .. I'm sorry .. But you must punish!
  22. RUSS
    RUSS 16 January 2014 17: 52
    +2
    The author of the article is Eugene Super, maybe it's him ..... a provocateur, threw the article
    I went to the forum again and squabbles, I understand who does not want to not engage in polemics, read and comment on the article and comments of opponents. But still, there is not too much information about international relations and migration?

    PS My personal opinion.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 16 January 2014 18: 08
      +5
      Quote: RUSS
      The author of the article is Eugene Super, maybe it's him ..... a provocateur, threw the article
      I went to the forum again and squabbles, I understand who does not want to not engage in polemics, read and comment on the article and comments of opponents. But still, there is not too much information about international relations and migration?

      PS My personal opinion.

      A super-provocateur ... There is an external enemy (the USA) and there should be an internal one according to the idea of ​​"oligarchs, corrupt liberals" and just traitors! Now they are trying to replace the image of an internal enemy with the slaughtered Vietnamese Tajiks, etc. (those who sweep yards and sew brands in the basement ..) That's all .. bully Dulles' plan continues its work .. As it is not regrettable to state ..
    2. Egen
      Egen 17 January 2014 07: 13
      0
      Maksim hi , if you look at other branches, there are a lot of information and repeated discussions where there are sore issues and they are not resolved :)
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 17 January 2014 09: 49
      -2
      The owners of this site are also indirectly provocateurs! It's no secret what exactly provocative (with facts squeezed out of their finger) moderators post on the site; the goal of the site's promotion is due to the heated discussion of the next delusional article. Srach between peoples on a branch is especially loved, in the style: "Russian colonialists", "Islam is enemy number one", "all are not Russians away from Russia", etc.! Is not it!
  23. NKR
    NKR 16 January 2014 17: 53
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Egen
    You probably have not personally encountered our laws and southerners

    And in our country is it possible not to encounter them?
    Quote: Egen
    and everywhere he’s right, not the owner of the apartment, no one has the right to evict him,

    Something fabulous. I would kick out. Lawyers are on the site? Explain how this is possible?
    But in any case, this issue can be resolved either from above or by mass performances in several cities at once. Local riots such as Kondapogi and Biryulev will not lead to anything. hi

    The lawyer says no kicks, but by law, yes.
    If I see a contract I will say even more
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 January 2014 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: NKR
      The lawyer says no kicks

      If no one sees, then it is possible. laughing
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Egen
        Egen 17 January 2014 07: 18
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        If no one sees, then you can

        do not believe me - I wanted to, with the office guys :) The only ones who still live "according to concepts" :)) But also, to get dirty feet about ... there is little desire. Well, you know, they are like that, immediately to the police and the courts that they are offended and they will drag a bunch of their witnesses ... And then, in official investigations, it is pleasant for someone to get out of hand :(
  24. Altona
    Altona 16 January 2014 17: 56
    +3
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Forget about them .. I'm sorry .. But you must punish!

    -------------------------------
    Yes, to hell with him, this is still that weird ... It seems like a criminal element, and all his "moves" only bring losses ... It seems not a stupid person in appearance, but an eccentric with the letter M ... I told you- Чnot married Мogut Оgive out ...
    I have enough of such cases ... As a young man, I tried to help people, as it were ... Well, tell me honestly, you won’t give up, why should you expose yourself as a dishonest goat?
  25. DUBOVAY ROCHA
    DUBOVAY ROCHA 16 January 2014 18: 07
    +6
    . For a long time, everything is so clear. Russian diluted assimilated morally and physically destroyed by the hands of savages. Savages are easier to manage. They are not only in Perm; they are everywhere like cockroaches.
    Do not want to live in their burrows climb into apartments
  26. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 January 2014 18: 21
    +3
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Forget about them .. I'm sorry .. But you must punish!

    -------------------------------
    Yes, to hell with him, this is still that weird ... It seems like a criminal element, and all his "moves" only bring losses ... It seems not a stupid person in appearance, but an eccentric with the letter M ... I told you- Чnot married Мogut Оgive out ...
    I have enough of such cases ... As a young man, I tried to help people, as it were ... Well, tell me honestly, you won’t give up, why should you expose yourself as a dishonest goat?

    Pride usually doesn’t allow them .. They usually swear by both mom and Allah .. so it can go on for years .. (and then they just can cut the wrong one) So be careful ..
  27. zennon
    zennon 16 January 2014 18: 32
    +3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: makst83
    for such a Russian city as Perm, it exceeded all conceivable and inconceivable meanings

    Yes, they are all over Russia like dirt.

    Putin's dream in action ...
  28. The comment was deleted.
  29. The comment was deleted.
  30. The comment was deleted.
  31. The comment was deleted.
  32. The comment was deleted.
    1. alone
      alone 16 January 2014 19: 18
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      once swollen, took a table knife, went outside ..


      Quote: Altona
      that guy with character


      Someone with character does not drink, but drinks in moderation.

      You don’t like migrants. There is one way out. Close the borders, enter the visa regime and deport non-citizens of Russia to yourself. And you don’t need to do that much. You want an example, the other day I have a law on migrants in my country. Whoever wants to temporarily live in the Republic of Azerbaijan, must have real estate in the territory of Azerbaijan in the amount of 100 thousand manat (122 thousand dollars) or in local banks have an account for the same amount. I’m only sure that this will not be done in Russia and everything will be like earlier. Because this situation is beneficial for officials. Nobody will block their gold mine.
      1. Egen
        Egen 17 January 2014 07: 21
        0
        Quote: lonely
        must have real estate in the territory of Azerbaijan in the amount of 100 thousand manats (122 thousand dollars) or in local banks have an account for the same amount

        Azerbaijan considers itself equal to the USA? :))
        1. alone
          alone 20 January 2014 16: 28
          0
          Quote: Egen
          Azerbaijan considers itself equal to the USA? :))


          This is the law with us. Equal not equal it does not matter. It’s all the same better than letting the crowds into the country. And then shouting about how there is no life from migrants in the country)))
      2. The comment was deleted.
  33. homosum20
    homosum20 16 January 2014 19: 00
    +5
    Guys, here’s my wife watching a series in the living room. There, the scoundrel lieutenant wants to kill the noble colonel and his family (on the train) and breaks into a compartment with the help of a soldier. Breaks in, kills the colonel and his wife, son runs away. And then the melodrama spins.
    I ask my wife - the colonel had a gun.
    Perplexedly answers - it was. I ask - so why didn’t he put reptiles right through the compartment door.
    He looks, perplexed - really.
    The people are zombified by the box, the government and Kh.R.E.
    Why does it never occur to anyone that the law on the free storage (and by permission - and carrying) of short-barreled weapons would fundamentally change the situation. And the cops would have stomped out in front of people.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 16 January 2014 19: 38
      0
      Quote: homosum20
      I ask my wife - the colonel had a gun.
      Perplexedly answers - it was. I ask - so why didn’t he put reptiles right through the compartment door.
      He looks, perplexed - really.

      And what is there to bewilder. Do not shoot sparrows from guns laughing
      I would smash the whole car ... The caliber of the guns that the colonel had, three inches? smile
      About the fact that the people are zombied, I agree, I even wanted to put you a plus. But the meekbore will not solve the problem, but will only increase the number of corpses and prisoners for exceeding the necessary self-defense.
    2. Michael_59
      Michael_59 16 January 2014 20: 09
      +1
      Quote: homosum20
      I ask my wife - the colonel had a gun.
      Perplexedly answers - it was.


      But flabby ... (
  34. Luzhichanin
    Luzhichanin 16 January 2014 19: 24
    0
    Quote: Eugene Super
    However, having arrived at the rally site, they found police officers' outfits and buses for transportation to the department.
    It is necessary how suddenly the police officers quickly worked ?! you wonder right. What in Sagra, Kondopoga, Biryulyovo, etc., cases of such efficiency were not noticed?
    If a provocation, then a provocation on the part of those holding power! Otherwise, some kind of mythical problem!
    They are inoperative everywhere, but in Perm there are "operatives" of some kind.
  35. The comment was deleted.
  36. Altona
    Altona 16 January 2014 19: 29
    0
    Quote: lonely
    You don’t like migrants. There is one way out. Close the borders, enter the visa regime and deport non-citizens of Russia to yourself. And you don’t need to do that much. You want an example, the other day I have a law on migrants in my country. Whoever wants to temporarily live in the Republic of Azerbaijan, must have real estate in the territory of Azerbaijan in the amount of 100 thousand manat (122 thousand dollars) or in local banks have an account for the same amount. I’m only sure that this will not be done in Russia and everything will be like earlier. Because this situation is beneficial for officials. Nobody will block their gold mine.

    --------------------------
    Migrant is different for migrant ... Visas are a matter of geopolitics ... As for labor migration, the question is about the length of stay and payment of all taxes, so that the cost of labor of a migrant is equal to or more than the value of a citizen ...
  37. Altona
    Altona 16 January 2014 19: 36
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Now I just noticed that you have an SS avatar .. (and I think what it tends to be so technical) change the avatar or I'm not responsible for myself! pah damn ..

    -------------------------------
    This is an avatar with the role of actor Vyacheslav Tikhonov, not an SS ... And I do not lean "technically", but share my observations ... Why is the avatar in German form? Because the well-known scout Nikolai Kuznetsov is my fellow countryman, and he studied up to grade 4 at the school, the building of which was the house of my great-grandfather ... And he also wore a German uniform (scout, of course) ... As for the nickname Altona, the signals are according to plan Barbarossa was 2 - Altona (canceling the attack on the USSR) and Dortmund (starting aggression against the USSR) ... Got it?
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 16 January 2014 20: 41
      -3
      Your head is confused!
    2. PKTRL
      PKTRL 16 January 2014 20: 41
      0
      Your head is confused!
    3. Ihrek
      Ihrek 16 January 2014 22: 55
      -3
      You are not registered anywhere, a psychiatrist or a neurologist. I asked without back. If there is no advice to go, check just in case.
      Quote: Altona
      Because the well-known intelligence officer Nikolai Kuznetsov is my fellow countryman, and studied until the 4th grade at a school the building of which was the house of my great-grandfather ... And he also went in German uniform (intelligence agent) ... As for Nick Altona, the signals are according to plan Barbarossa was 2- Altona (the abolition of the attack on the USSR) and Dortmund (start aggression against the USSR) ... I see?
    4. The comment was deleted.
  38. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 January 2014 20: 11
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Now I just noticed that you have an SS avatar .. (and I think what it tends to be so technical) change the avatar or I'm not responsible for myself! pah damn ..

    -------------------------------
    This is an avatar with the role of actor Vyacheslav Tikhonov, not an SS ... And I do not lean "technically", but share my observations ... Why is the avatar in German form? Because the well-known scout Nikolai Kuznetsov is my fellow countryman, and he studied up to grade 4 at the school, the building of which was the house of my great-grandfather ... And he also wore a German uniform (scout, of course) ... As for the nickname Altona, the signals are according to plan Barbarossa was 2 - Altona (canceling the attack on the USSR) and Dortmund (starting aggression against the USSR) ... Got it?

    Yes, I already understood that you're lying, and Here the avatars in the Nazi form are annoying .. (whoever you are hiding behind ..) and the comments you have are appropriate so sorry for being straightforward .. I said everything ..
  39. PKTRL
    PKTRL 16 January 2014 20: 18
    0
    Quote: Egen
    4) Through mail notify me, it’s only a fine for cars from cameras, if I didn’t receive it, then I received it

    4) Notify me through the mail, this is only a fine on the car from the cameras, if you don't receive it, then you got it, you are a shape-shifter ..! If the fine came to the post office in the mailbox, then don’t pay, a bunch of scammers .., keep everyone !? :) Yes .., and your relatives are would-be lawyers. In short .., you are some kind of weak character. OR just for a salary on the site "live"!
  40. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 16 January 2014 20: 57
    0
    Migrants must come according to quotas, unnecessary (without an invitation from the employer from the Russian Federation), they must not let them into the country who have committed at least one offense_deport at the expense of the employer, 99% must be used under the control of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Migration Service for heavy, non-prestigious, minimally mechanized work, hiring is only legal -Let taxes be paid, all property from employers using illegal labor should be confiscated in favor of the state, in camps for real terms. And then they write out penny fines (where real!) And shout "We are fighting" And the security forces of the Federal Migration Service, the Ministry of Internal Affairs registering in "rubber apartments" in the neck to drive without pensions and benefits, regardless of length of service.
  41. pensioner
    pensioner 16 January 2014 21: 22
    +2
    Actually, I was born and raised in Gubakha Perm. reg. I guarantee that if the situation described above happened in our country, then all the infrequent (in those days ...) representatives of the southern regions of the USSR would be raked in full ... And there were precedents ... And not one or two ...
    1. Egen
      Egen 17 January 2014 07: 31
      +1
      Quote: retired
      Actually, I was born and raised in Gubakha Perm. reg.

      Greetings Yuri! hi I visited you at 2003, and next to Kizel, but in your area the situation is somewhat different. Miners and chemists are serious working people. In Kizel - alas, I was working :( How are people now, what do they live on ?:( In England, they dig around slowly, of course, geology and water are different, but the scope of the problems is the same. In Perm, I was passing through, but the city seemed more ... cosmopolitan :)
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 18 January 2014 01: 20
        0
        My dear Eugene! In the 70s, the situation with the local population was completely different there !! Miners are still people ... There were precedents ... My father, the chief engineer of the mine, persuaded his subordinates not to buzz! Using the most effective methods repeat And the man he was oh-oh-so-so strong ...
    2. The comment was deleted.
  42. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 16 January 2014 21: 31
    +2
    [quote = nerd.su]
    The district policeman in FIG? He lives on a Tajik site without registration, but he doesn’t care !? You have either millionaires going to the district police officers, or saints ...

    One hundred percent confirm what Egen said
    Elektrostal, the situation is the same, the head of the district police said: "You will feed my family when they put me in jail because I kick the Tajik out of the apartment. Go to court. So three months of running around the courts. They will soon be in any apartment with a kick to go.
  43. saygon66
    saygon66 16 January 2014 21: 50
    +1
    - Provocations work because they hurt the patient ... Russia is rapidly "turning black" - and this cannot but worry! It remains to be surprised: How those who contribute to the settling of the country by strangers are going to stay in power when the ratio of "black Russians" to the indigenous population will reach at least 3 \ 7? The new population will choose a new government ...
  44. papas-57
    papas-57 16 January 2014 21: 55
    +1
    Everything is elementary simple: the security officials need to show their work. And they showed the work, preventing a mass brawl on an interethnic basis. To make everything go according to plan, they themselves did `` misinformation '' in the networks, pulled forces to the right place, prevented riots, received thanks (orders will be later). We got to know a lot of young people who are biting on this call, that is, with such excesses there is someone to hang on to participate in the riots. GLORY to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the SPECIAL SERVICES !!!
  45. your1970
    your1970 16 January 2014 23: 23
    +1
    Quote: PCTRL
    Quote: Egen
    4) Through mail notify me, it’s only a fine for cars from cameras, if I didn’t receive it, then I received it

    4) Through mail notify me, it’s only a fine for cars from cameras if I didn’t receive it, it means I got it, you are a changeling ..! If a fine arrives in the mail in the box, then neh pay, a bunch of scammers .., contain everyone !? :) Yes .., and your relatives are would-be lawyers. In short .., you are some kind of weak character. OR just for a salary on the site "live"!

    there is an international decision on the equality of parties in 1966. If you have taken all steps to notify the opposite side, and that is not notified :))) then the court may consider the absence of the opposite side, as your rights are violated by the opposite side
  46. alert_timka
    alert_timka 16 January 2014 23: 31
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Forget about them .. I'm sorry .. But you must punish!

    -------------------------------
    Yes, to hell with him, this is still that weird ... It seems like a criminal element, and all his "moves" only bring losses ... It seems not a stupid person in appearance, but an eccentric with the letter M ... I told you- Чnot married Мogut Оgive out ...
    I have enough of such cases ... As a young man, I tried to help people, as it were ... Well, tell me honestly, you won’t give up, why should you expose yourself as a dishonest goat?

    You are a strange person, you doubted his "honesty", but you still lent, although you immediately say that there is a huge bitter experience with non-repayment of money from such magicians.
  47. DMB-78
    DMB-78 17 January 2014 01: 24
    0
    so who are these migrants giving bribes to? to ourselves? Do our officials have migrants? they say they all bought. themselves? maybe you need to start with those to whom they give bribes? those whom you bought? But these are our fellow citizens, Russians. and they live next to us, they go to shops with us, they live in houses with us. I hate this boorish migrant, but why is our corrupt better? maybe you need to start with employers who pay migrants by our standards a penny and do not want to pay us a decent salary? and where is our thought with migration laws? why does she react so late to the chaos of these recently descended from a tree? But in the Duma, too, are our fellow citizens, Russians. it’s only necessary to adopt one, only one NORMAL law, and we ourselves will help law enforcement officers to throw out this evil spirits. as you can see, I got more questions than answers.
  48. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 17 January 2014 08: 53
    0
    give the national socialist revolution!
  49. Victor1
    Victor1 17 January 2014 12: 50
    0
    While the government is on the side of migrants and applies the next migration laws, we, too, can at least somehow influence the situation.
    Do not buy goods from migrants, do not give them work, do not rent them apartments, always help the Russian people.
  50. Altona
    Altona 20 January 2014 18: 46
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Yes, I already understood that you're lying, and Here the avatars in the Nazi form are annoying .. (whoever you are hiding behind ..) and the comments you have are appropriate so sorry for being straightforward .. I said everything ..

    ----------------------
    Why am I lying? Did you check? Can others lie? Who call themselves historians and biographers? Read the biography of Nikolai Kuznetsov and find 40 inconsistencies ... Why do they write about the Sverdlovsk region, and Nikolai knew the Permian Komi? Look at the distance from Yuburg to Kudymkar, barefoot boy Kolya managed to escape back and forth to the Sverdlovsk region? My great-grandfather’s house was located 5 km from the village of Verkh-Inva, my great-grandfather was dispossessed, the house was a log house of about 5x8 ... True, 20 years ago it was only a blackened log house with a memorial blackened plate about Nikolai Kuznetsov ... So take a trip, check ... And what doesn’t suit me in my comments? Truss truth? And you want to embed the truth, not mine ... Next comment ...