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"Eurasian Balkans": what awaits us there in the coming months

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"Eurasian Balkans": what awaits us there in the coming monthsIn the Central Asian region, which the old Brzezinski called the “Eurasian Balkans”, next year we expect, if not a political crisis, then a significant change in the balance of power. The United States is withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. They deduce, without solving either military or political tasks set before the operation. The country is going on and will continue on a civil war. The 2014 intrigue of the year is only about who is situationally stronger: the Taliban or the cartel of drug traffickers in Kabul, considered the official government.


All this will affect the Afghan neighbors, who should prepare for the revival in the export of Islamic radicalism, heroin, political instability and American military experts (the latter will probably linger on the transshipment bases).

Central Asia is under special threat. The region is associated with Afghanistan at the ethnic and kinship level, the border is transparent. This is about bad.

On the other hand, change opens up new possibilities. Those forces that are ready to fill the emerging vacuum of order, stability and civilization are unlikely to have competitors. And the Customs Union may well become such a force in Central Asia.

Kazakhstan as a guide for the entire region

The economic successes of Astana have long been the subject of the wary attention of Central Asian neighbors. 2013 didn’t bring any surprises in this sense: Russia’s ally and one of the founders of the Customs Union continues to demonstrate that economic well-being largely suppresses the problems of both Islamic radicalism and anti-government nationalism. That is, those diseases that for the poorer countries of the region are at risk of being fatal.

Even the talk about the candidacy of Nursultan Nazarbayev’s successor, which intensified in 2013, does not create the impression that the discord in leadership may turn into a split of society. Kazakhstan is stable. Kazakhstan maintains a policy of economic integration, which, as shown by a number of 2013 agreements of the year, will be complemented by military integration.

At the same time, among local elites, there are increasing ambitions, which are expressed in the growth of discontent with the status of Russia's junior partner. Most likely, this is a long-term trend. It is in the common interest to redirect these sentiments from claims against Moscow to the strengthening of Astana’s foreign policy. Kazakhstan can be an equal ally of Russia in the Central Asian region. But for this, the country's leadership must make efforts comparable to the Russian ones.

Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

It is appropriate to apply a common approach to Bishkek and Dushanbe, because the two neighboring republics are very close in terms of the complex of problems and tasks facing them. Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are poor in natural resources, and in general are poor. Their peoples have largely been integrated into the Customs Union. The labor migration of Tajiks and Kyrgyz, which had previously been spontaneous, has now become a network structure, the quality of work of which far exceeds other forms of interstate cooperation.

The ruling apparatus as a whole also agrees with participation in integration projects under the auspices of Russia. The problem is that the leadership of both countries hardly controls the local elites, some of whom do not accept interaction with Moscow in any form.

Management difficulties are imposed on the disastrous economic situation and the inability of the capitals to do anything to improve it, except to not interfere with the smuggling from China and drug trafficking from Afghanistan. All this in a complex and was the reason that the possibility of joining the Customs Union of Kyrgyzstan already in 2013 year remained unfulfilled. Accordingly, the dates of Eurasian integration are postponed for Tajikistan.

However, there is no alternative. There is hardly any reason to believe that Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan will be able to overcome instability, relying on any other forces besides the Customs Union. Yes, Central Asian leaders somewhat simplifiedly understand the mechanism of obtaining benefits for their countries in exchange for the fact that they are oriented towards Russia. If you can call it open extortion. This circumstance interferes with the interaction, but the integration process itself does not in any way cancel.

Uzbekistan

We have no reason to expect that Tashkent will want to change its distrustful attitude towards the Customs Union. In the last days of 2013, Uzbekistan ratified the Agreement on a free trade zone with the CIS countries, but we should not forget that a year earlier, Islam Karimov made a decision to withdraw from the CSTO. Official Tashkent purposefully builds special relations with the United States to compensate for Russia's influence in Central Asia.

In particular, next year Uzbekistan plans to receive NATO troops that are leaving Afghanistan. The Alliance is going to use the territory of the republic for the transit of personnel and cargo to Europe. But it is possible that the army may linger here. And along with the army, there is also a large staff of intelligence officers, experts and consultants, fighters and heads of special forces. Will they sit around in a country that has an extremely advantageous geographical position? Recall that Uzbekistan borders with all the republics of Central Asia, as well as with Afghanistan.

American intervention can break the traditional multi-vector nature of Tashkent. At the end of 2014, the presidential election campaign should begin in Uzbekistan, and there is no clarity with the successor of Islam Karimov. After all, the current president in January marks 76 years. Whether he will go on to the next term or offer the society some other option - neither does not insure Uzbekistan against the scenario of the “Arab spring” if the Americans suddenly decide to blow up the region.

Turkmenistan

This republic, the farther, the more acquiring the features of the traditional Eastern despotism, since the beginning of the 90-s adheres to the fundamental neutrality in all international issues. Neutrality is guaranteed by huge reserves of natural gas. Local elites enjoy the sovereign right to sell it and are not going to cede it to any external forces in the foreseeable future. Accordingly, integration projects in Eurasia are not of any interest to Turkmen.

It is unlikely that they will be frightened by the possible activation of armed formations in Afghanistan after the withdrawal of NATO troops from there. Since the 90-s, Ashgabat has maintained a strong, even relationship with the Taliban and the Northern Alliance. In addition, the government of Turkmenistan adequately finances its own armed forces, counting on them in difficult times.

It is obvious that the solution of the Turkmen issue, which is the direction of gas transport flows, lies through the interaction of the Customs Union with Iran and Turkey - the most important political partners of Ashgabat, along with Russia. But this task is already beyond the horizons of 2014.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 10 January 2014 13: 39
    +21
    Uzbeks and Tajiks are exploring Russian open spaces, if Uzbekistan does not listen to Moscow and only listens to America, then the border can be closed, moreover they are no longer members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization! But America always plays on contradictions, all the more it is driven out of Kyrgyzstan !! It is necessary to complicate the life of Americans in the east as much as possible, especially since America in the east receives one defeat, after another !!!
    1. username
      username 10 January 2014 16: 07
      -10%
      It's always like that .. You, like blind dogs, all bark at America, talk a lot about how insidious they are, but all you need to do is open your eyes and understand that the main evil of the world is your Raisis, which will soon be divided into thousands of parts
      1. Galician
        Galician 10 January 2014 16: 09
        -5
        Death to the Imperialists! And Putin is so young.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 10 January 2014 16: 21
          +37
          Quote: Galician
          Death to the Imperialists! And Putin is so young.
          It's always like that .. You, like blind dogs, all bark at America, talk a lot about how insidious they are, but all you need to do is open your eyes and understand that the main evil of the world is your Raisis, which will soon be divided into thousands of parts

          As I like raguli, there are only two instincts: one is chewing, and the second is barking. And all thoughts are only from the spinal cord, or rather from the one below.
          1. Don
            Don 10 January 2014 17: 11
            +7
            Quote: ele1285
            As I like raguli, there are only two instincts: one is chewing, and the second is barking. And all thoughts are only from the spinal cord, or rather from the one below.

            laughing good
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    2. A.YARY
      A.YARY 10 January 2014 16: 09
      +5
      Nah!
      NEED TO ENTER VISAS! Uzbekov and other Central Asian slavery-send to the hut, along the border of the power grid and AK-630 through 1000m in automatic mode to move! Friend, let him go at the door and not at the window! Not at the called-in!
      But again, this will not happen, weaklings in power.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 January 2014 18: 13
        +6
        Quote: A.YARY
        along the border of the power grid and AK-630 through 1000m in automatic mode for movement

        Can you imagine the length of the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan?
        1. yur
          yur 10 January 2014 20: 30
          0
          Yes, not "longer" than a nuclear-powered submarine, but we are successfully building them and I am sure that we will cope with the grid all the more.
        2. A.YARY
          A.YARY 10 January 2014 21: 38
          +7
          Vladimir Ivanovich good evening
          Do you represent the border of the USSR?
          But however, everything was in openwork, then have current technical capabilities vapsche would be like in vacuums.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 10 January 2014 23: 20
            +13
            Vladimir Ivanovich rather had in mind the meaninglessness of this venture on the border of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan. Migrant workers - Kazakhs are negligible, internal stability is at least no lower than in Russia. In terms of statistics, we look even better. But the border with the southern neighbors of Kazakhstan is the most restless. Either smugglers play pranks, or Uzbek border guards open fire for our citizens, or checkpoints are closed for no apparent reason.
            And the drug is supervised mainly by people in uniform. Or high-ranking officials (we somehow took Tajik diplomats red-handed. Under diplomatic numbers their cars were taken from the embassy. Even the ambassador’s deputies were involved).
            At the border, X-rays should be set. Because of the whale. smugglers at the border put x-rays. Everything is visible - even iron containers are not a problem. I saw my cargo myself. The quality was amazing. Customs says that any item in a container can be individually enlightened. Here's the question: why don’t they put such people on the border with drug-hazardous countries - after all, they carry mainly wagons to us, there are not so many roads. And railway so generally minuscule. Who is interested in this? Why drug police do not raise the topic, they are completely stupid fool ? Drugs and guest workers are a problem that the authorities themselves create; well - its individual representatives.
            PS One such installation (X-ray) was delivered in Russia. So all the trucks from S.A. They started to go around it (transit sharply through this post fell several times) - well, this is an example. hi .
            1. not main
              not main 11 January 2014 00: 17
              +2
              Himself and answered the question! I do not call for any hatred, especially national, but drugs have no nationality! You just do not need to take prisoners! (After a short time they are back in business!), And if you need a "language", then after getting information ... what if he runs?
        3. varov14
          varov14 10 January 2014 22: 03
          0
          Ah, bird flu on them.
        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 11 January 2014 13: 40
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: A.YARY
          along the border of the power grid and AK-630 through 1000m in automatic mode for movement

          Can you imagine the length of the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan?


          And you ? And the terrain through which it passes? What about the natural and climatic conditions? And the fact that during the union this whole line was fenced in the course with a thorn?
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 11 January 2014 13: 45
            +4
            Quote: Geisenberg
            And you ? And the terrain through which it passes? What about the natural and climatic conditions? And the fact that during the union this whole line was fenced in the course with a thorn?


            The border between the RSFSR and the Kazakh SSR was fenced with a thorn ??
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      3. Christian
        Christian 10 January 2014 18: 46
        +1
        I have long been very confident that the danger stamp from Afghanistan after the United States leaves the duck! Why our rulers escalate the situation in this direction is the question!? We have always lived peacefully with the Afghans. Just another manipulation of the people ...
        1. varov14
          varov14 10 January 2014 22: 12
          +1
          Being in foreign policy, or in intelligence, I would have long been building bridges with them (with the Afghans) and probably not even drug dealers, as with the Taliban. Although we fought there, we also built, and a person is able to separate the grain from the chaff.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 10 January 2014 22: 26
            +3
            That the drug dealers, that the Taliban are one double-edged sword. But you can’t do anything, you need to talk. request
      4. Fin
        Fin 10 January 2014 19: 57
        +7
        Quote: A.YARY
        Uzbekov and other Central Asian slavery-send to the hut,

        Yes, apparently it is high time for the "independent" and "multi-vector" Karimov to send his compatriots to the ground and close the borders. They will arrange the revolution themselves. And then state blackmail has become the main source of income for corrupt politicians.
    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 16: 11
      +14
      Well, what will Kazakhstan fight off if that ???
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 10 January 2014 16: 20
        +18
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Well, what will Kazakhstan fight off if that ???

        There is no other way out.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 10 January 2014 16: 33
          +10
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          There is no other way out.


          So we will win !!!
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 10 January 2014 21: 17
            +9
            It seems to me that this topic "Central Asia is under a special threat" is too popularized in the West. This is from a series that China is the number one threat to us. I agree that the SA will be a threat if a serious "political sponsor" is found. We know this list - the West, the Saudis and the Qataris, and maybe some kind of alliance between them. I exclude Iran (these in the near future are "tied" to the Russian Federation), Pakistan cannot be excluded (these internal problems have enough and I do not exclude that some of them may be transferred to a neighboring country; for example, to organize a civil war by starting the supply of weapons to some to one side in Afghanistan, so that some of its radical citizens "merge" there and further). China and India definitely do not need this - they lacked their Muslim extremists.
            The Americans remain to cover up drug trafficking. I see no other reason. 10 infantrymen will not create military power. Training Afghans in military affairs, those who have been fighting for more than 000 years, what can be trained, I don’t understand. It’s not enough to cover the state drug lords in Kabul, except perhaps the capital itself.
            I agree with the author in many ways. But "Kazakhstan can be an equal ally of Russia in the SA. But for this, the countries must make efforts comparable to those of Russia." Here the author did not study the question. Here are the facts.
            Kyrgyzstan receives annual assistance from Kazakhstan in the form of loans, energy (diesel fuel, coal, gasoline), grain; as well as what they themselves ask for. Including weapons, which we most often do not do ourselves, but have in reserve. I can’t say anything about Tajikistan - I don’t know. Afghanistan Bread, sat. some technique, they built a school, some kind of road. We committed ourselves to training 1 students at home - this program has already begun to work. With this state, in my opinion, one should sit down to talk after the end of the war. What now to talk with Karzai, if after a few months. he will not be at the helm of the country? Supporting some, you set up his opponents against yourself. But what if the power changes? Or work ahead of the curve? Look for allies among the Afghans, and there are not a few who studied here, worked or visited. ; and create some kind of force from them (for example, a party). I think our authorities know what they are doing, but Afghanistan should be part of our zone of influence. hi
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 10 January 2014 22: 06
              +9
              Quote: Kasym
              It seems to me that this topic "Central Asia is under a special threat" is too popularized in the West. This is from a series that China is the number one threat to us.

              About the Chinese threat, the Russian media are more circulating, they even came up with a saying that we supposedly say here: "If you want to leave, learn Russian, if you want to stay, learn Chinese.")))
              I have never heard a proverb about this, only from the media. Secondly, why does he learn Russian, if everyone knows him?)))
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 10 January 2014 22: 08
                +6
                About the black Chinese and red Russian is also a made-up proverb. ;)
    4. ty60
      ty60 10 January 2014 20: 52
      0
      And here it’s thinner, not a rake. A vast territory, many Gaster among us. Suggest to tightly close the border and deport. And then slowly and reluctantly make small concessions.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 10 January 2014 20: 55
        +4
        If it were so simple and profitable, then they would have done it a long time ago. Apparently, you really can’t do without Gaster yet.
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 10 January 2014 21: 42
          +3
          you without gaster
          Not US, but IM, and by "them" I mean thieves in administrations of all levels, including the highest.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 10 January 2014 22: 02
            +4
            Well, you can’t argue with that.
        2. varov14
          varov14 10 January 2014 22: 36
          +1
          Recently I read in a local newspaper that the hard workers (not in an offensive sense, in the everyday sense) decided to go on strike. I myself am not in the subject, pensioner, and so the leadership promised them to throw them out of the gate and bring the Kazakhs. If this happens, you can imagine my attitude towards them, Kazakhs. I'll just crush the person waking up in me and remain a mankurt. There are many "cockroaches" in my head, especially with isms, and I got acquainted with each of the isms at my leisure.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 10 January 2014 22: 41
            +3
            What are you talking about, do not quite understand?
    5. pawel1961
      pawel1961 10 January 2014 23: 44
      +1
      so that life does not seem to be honey. We must periodically spoil the mood. Well, put the hedgehog under an uncomfortable place, there is the main thing not to yawn. and traitors during the screening out.
    6. not good
      not good 11 January 2014 00: 32
      0
      The border needs to be closed for a long time, then the Uzbek-Tajik elite will become much more accommodating, and when people understand that there is no bread, they will gobble up the elite.
    7. CALL.
      CALL. 11 January 2014 03: 04
      +1
      - old Brzezinski -

      Ghoul of Brzezinski. There is so much blood on him that Dracula is an innocent schoolgirl in comparison with him
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 11 January 2014 13: 30
      +1
      Quote: AVV
      Uzbeks and Tajiks are exploring Russian open spaces, if Uzbekistan does not listen to Moscow and only listens to America, then the border can be closed, moreover they are no longer members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization! But America always plays on contradictions, all the more it is driven out of Kyrgyzstan !! It is necessary to complicate the life of Americans in the east as much as possible, especially since America in the east receives one defeat, after another !!!


      Apparently in Amarikistan there are still skulls of Brzezinski's level in sufficient quantities. It was necessary to bring such a mine under the region! And you won’t get to the bottom - they fought with terror! But in fact, they just kept a rabid dog in a cage, until the time to release it in time. Now miracles will be released and begin in our south.
  2. username
    username 10 January 2014 15: 55
    -9
    What awaits you? Jihad will be a worthy answer for you
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 10 January 2014 15: 57
      +17
      disadvantage. at 41 spared bullets on your relatives. =] it was necessary to wind your entire race on the caterpillar. And there would be less than one vyser in this thread =] Such children as you - cause only pity and contempt. So don’t stoop, the security of the united state (this is not unavoidable) will be remembered by your nickname, after it they will immediately find your IP, well, then it’s the small business =] Logs are written and there is enough disk space for everyone. With the cheerful consent of your provider will write on the waybill
      funnel is your address. In a nutshell. Judas, a traitor and just a ghoul - one fate awaits. Retribution is inevitable. 45 year per example =]
      1. username
        username 10 January 2014 15: 59
        -10%
        Dear devedevali, you often gave a scoop on the head?
      2. Galician
        Galician 10 January 2014 16: 01
        -6
        It is unfortunate that if your relatives in Ukraine stomped up to the hands of the UPA, they didn’t rush at once with your heroes Zhukovy Stalin Molotov, garno B on a great weight.
        1. avt
          avt 10 January 2014 16: 13
          +22
          Quote: Galician
          It is unfortunate that if your relatives in Ukraine stomped up to the hands of the UPA, they didn’t rush at once with your heroes Zhukovy Stalin Molotov, garno B on a great weight.

          laughing Another maydanuty? Yes, even in dumka about “Sala to the heroes!”, Sitting in caches with dummies as they with short little hands get to something.
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            1. Garrin
              Garrin 10 January 2014 16: 25
              +13
              Quote: klimpopov
              Most likely a schoolboy))))

              Moreover, the mentally retarded.
              1. dark_65
                dark_65 10 January 2014 17: 28
                +9
                Judging by the quote from this little deceit of the zapadentz, we already have an abscess of the civil war ... sorry, but surgery is needed, the antiseptic will not save.
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          4. ele1285
            ele1285 10 January 2014 17: 24
            +8
            Quote: Galician
            It is unfortunate that if your relatives in Ukraine stomped up to the hands of the UPA, they didn’t rush at once with your heroes Zhukovy Stalin Molotov, garno B on a great weight.

            I still don’t understand. Are they Zhukov, Stalin and Molotov hung up on a horse? Or is it a sweet dream of a primate. It’s not even Klim Chugunkin (Polygraph Polygraphych).
            1. ty60
              ty60 10 January 2014 21: 08
              +2
              Yes, let him choke on himself, Do not drop off the rope and soap, the postal address. I will send everything I need myself.
            2. varov14
              varov14 10 January 2014 22: 52
              +1
              "It's a pity if your relatives in Ukraine trampled until the hands of the UPA did not drink at the same time with your heroes Zhukovy Stalin's Molotovs, garneau B on the mountains weighed."
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 10 January 2014 23: 36
                0
                Quote: varov14
                "It's a pity if your relatives in Ukraine trampled until the hands of the UPA did not drink at the same time with your heroes Zhukovy Stalin's Molotovs, garneau B on the mountains weighed."

                How much you missed, sorry.
          5. 120352
            120352 10 January 2014 17: 41
            +3
            DUST or DDT can be very useful here.
          6. Lelek
            Lelek 10 January 2014 22: 32
            +3
            Ugh on him. This creature - where-to chew-wider, and -where to think - is minimal. bully
        2. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 10 January 2014 16: 27
          +39
          Like who? Like this Bandera scum ...

          30 August 1943 gang UPA under the command of Ivan Klimchak nicknamed "Lysy" cut out the Polish village of Volya Ostrovetskaya. The Rezuns killed 529 people, including 220 children. The Pole Heinrich Klok miraculously survived that day, he was wounded and was mistaken for a dead man. Next to him, over the corpse of a resident of the village of Maria Yesinyuk, her 5-year-old son sat and asked his mother to go home. 5-year-old child could not understand, then mom no longer. A Bandera man came up to the boy and killed him with a shot in the head. The leader of the Lysy gang, who had cut out the village of Volya Ostrovetskaya, was a policeman before joining the UPA. He served with the Germans in the 103 mth battalion of the schutzmannschaft (“security police”, punishers). The policeman was the “commander in chief” of the UPA Roman Shukhevych (201th battalion).
          In 1944. the former policeman and rezuna was overtaken by the well-deserved NKVD bullet. The corpse of “Lysy” was hung up for public viewing in Shatsk (Volyn region). Below is his posthumous photo. As the saying goes, the dog - dog death:

          In 1950, Mr .. received the bullet and the "commander in chief" UPA Shlyukhevych.

          OUN Security Officer Ivan Diychuk, nicknamed "Carpathian".
          In modern art, this is called installation. The installation with a dead Bandera and a stretcher was performed by the NKVD in the village of Tatarye, Transcarpathian region.


          Kala Heroam !!! Heroes of feces !!!
          1. Ustian
            Ustian 10 January 2014 16: 50
            +12
            Quote: Novel 1977
            In 1950, Mr .. received the bullet and the "commander in chief" UPA Shlyukhevych.

            A loud surname. Probably the whole family is a whore. what
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 10 January 2014 16: 59
              +7
              The surname is symbolic, from the word "whore".
            2. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 10 January 2014 17: 12
              +11
              Yes Yes. This "garny" lad first engaged in terrorism.
              In 1931 — 1933 was the technical organizer of several assassination attempts against Polish officials and the employee of the Soviet consulate A. Maylov.
              In the spring of 1941 he studied at the highest military command courses for the leaders of the OUN-R, organized by the Abwehr. He holds the post of deputy commander of the Ukrainian Legion, formed in the city of Brandenburg, the famous battalion "Nachtigall".
              During Operation Barbarossa, the Nachtigall battalion, where Shukhevych, in the rank of Hauptmann (captain), held the position of Ukrainian deputy commander, together with German troops took part in the invasion of the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, acting as part of the Brandenburg regiment. On the night of 29 on 30 of June, the 1941 battalion was the first to enter Lviv and staged a bloody massacre there that terrified even the Germans:
              "They took long daggers in their teeth, rolled up the sleeves of their gymnasts, holding their weapons at the ready. Their appearance was disgusting. Like possessed people, hiccupping loudly, with foam on their lips, with bulging eyes, they rushed through the streets of Lviv. Everyone who fell into their hands, was brutally executed. "

              After these "glorious" exploits, the Germans sent a battalion to the front, however, fighting the Red Army is more difficult than exterminating civilians. In the very first battle with regular units of the Red Army, they were scared to death and fled to the rear - behind the backs of the German allies, so the Germans decided to use banderlog in their specialty - they renamed it to the 201st security battalion, after which it was transferred to Belarus where it was used to fight the partisans. In the battalion, Shlyukhevich served as deputy commander in the German rank corresponding to the rank of captain. That is, Shlyukhevych fought on the territory of Belarus for the "independence" of Ukraine

              Hauptsturmführer Schluchevich (seated second, left) in the circle of "comrades in arms"
              However, Belarusian partisans regularly sent banderlogs to their well-deserved grave, about which Shlyukhevych bitterly complained to Metropolitan A. Sheptitsky, another CHEROY:
              In this so important chiliiny for us, we remember about you, our dear dad and opikun. I don’t know if our share is waiting there, all of us will remain alive, I ask your dad's blessing for us on our firm warrior's way, and for our homelands, who were left without care in our snowy, icy villages.

              On 30 day, I buried him twenty in the zombie’s grave twenty six naikrashchikh, most important boys from our kuren, with a couple Roman Kashubinsky at the table. For the whole reason, I was escorting our wounded from the battlefield until I’ve stood, hanged partisan warriors in the stump. The bulo [a] munits didn’t become anymore. It is terribly important and, more likely, the Bulo of men’s burial. Not such a finale of our zmagan mi ochkuvali. In addition, further upkoryuvannya, all those vitvoryu Stan psychic depressii so elders, as well as in the pages. Not bachimo kіntsya. I’ll embed our warrior’s nobility with birch crosses. Kochuочmo as much on the bugs of Belarus as it is already wasted, who should bring us to see the golden-domed [Kiev]; chi, may have to embed a young corpse in a foreign land, for a foreign stranger

              http://guralyuk.livejournal.com/838289.html
              1. Roman 1977
                Roman 1977 10 January 2014 17: 39
                +8
                Realizing that the case smells of kerosene, Shlyukhevich, already awarded by that time with two crosses and a medal of Hitlerite Germany, deserts from the battalion, goes into an illegal position and is a member of the OUN Wire as an assistant on military issues. A number of sources indicate that upon his return to Lvov, Shlyukhevych was detained by the Gestapo, but was released (well, now imagine the situation, the NKVD or SMERSH are releasing a deserted Soviet officer in 1943!). and here Shlyukhevych found a less dangerous occupation for himself, the extermination of the unarmed, defenseless Polish population, organizing together with other leaders of the banderlog the so-called. "Volyn massacre", during which from 30 to 80 thousand Poles were killed.
                I will dwell on several episodes:
                “In the alley of old trees, they“ decorated ”the trunk of each tree with the corpse of a child killed before that. According to Western researcher Alexander Korman, the corpses were nailed to the trees in such a way as to create the appearance of a“ wreath. ”Bandera called this alley“ the road to independent Ukraine ”. (Combat route of the UPA, Lozova village of Ternopil district)
                "In connection with the successes of the Bolsheviks, one should hasten to liquidate the Poles, cut out at the root, burn purely Polish villages, mixed villages - only the Polish population should be destroyed" (from the order of the UPA)
                Knowing about the sadistic inclinations of Shukhevych, the oops people on the anniversary of the UPA decided to present their “general” with an unusual gift - 5 heads, cut off from the Poles. He was pleasantly surprised by both the gift itself and the resourcefulness of his subordinates.

                polka Maria Grabovsky with her daughter 3 years old (killed by Bandera 10.11.1943 in the village of Blazhev Gorna, Lviv region)

                the Polish family of Scheyer, a mother and two children, was carved in her house in Vladinopol in 1943.

                victims of the Bandera massacre in the Polish village of Germanovka, rn Lutsk, 28.11.1943
                I will keep silent about the rest of the "exploits", since this is already the occupation of criminologists and psychiatrists ...
                However, Shlyukhevych did not shine with military leadership talents, again suffering regular defeats from the actions of Soviet partisans, especially as a result of the famous raid of a detachment of the real partisan general Sidor Artemyevich Kovpak. And the Banderlog themselves were not happy with the merits of their "commander-in-chief":
                "Klim Savur," (her one leader), indignant at the low level of command of the operation, publicly declared: "From Shukhevych, the same commander as a stallion from cancer!"

                http://1941-1945.at.ua/forum/3-1228-1
                1. Roman 1977
                  Roman 1977 10 January 2014 17: 52
                  +16
                  Shlyukhevych did not forget about his beloved one in the struggle for power in the Banderlois flock: So, on 13 of April 1943 of the year in the OUN (b) there was an internal coup, as a result of which Shukhevych took the position of political leader of the OUN (b), having replaced Lebed, who previously occupied this post. However, the Red Army was approaching Galicia and it was necessary to do something, and Shlyukhevych again returned to his former owners, whom he didn’t break ties with anymore: according to the documents of the SD seized by the MGB in 1944, Shukhevych had contact with the lieutenant colonel of the German intelligence service abverkomanda 202 Zeliger. In exchange, the Germans supplied the banderlogs with weapons:
                  So, the head of the 2th department of the headquarters of the occupation forces of the Governor-General of Hauptmann, Józef Lazarek, after the war testified: “Throughout March-April of 1944, I personally sent three trucks with arms from Lviv to the Black Forest three times each from March to April. There were only 15 tons of various weapons. Approximately 700-800 rifles, 50 light machine guns and a lot of ammunition. At the same time that I supplied the UPA with weapons, the units of the second division under the first armored and 17 armies also received instructions to supply the UPA with weapons, and this task was carried out systematically, sending weapons in large numbers. "

                  As a token of gratitude and respect, Colonel Waffen SS Shifeld presented “Klim Savur” (they, as it should be in the gang, they all “drove” they wore) a full set of SS uniforms, a submachine gun and an officer's dagger with a silver handle. For Klyachkivsky's subordinates, the Germans immediately handed over 80 machine guns and 132 rifles "of Czech production with cartridges for them, and also accepted an application for the supply of 20 field and 10 anti-aircraft guns, 500 Soviet machine guns, 10 thousand grenades and 250 thousand pieces of automatic cartridges to the UPovtsy. Similar negotiations with the Germans were conducted by other leaders of the UPA.

                  http://1941-1945.at.ua/forum/3-1228-1

                  However, the Germans still left and the banderlogs were left face to face with the Red Army and the NKVD. I’ll keep silent about the ups and downs of this struggle ... However, the banderlogs here became famous for their bestial cruelty:

                  The request to the moderators not to delete photos, let everyone enjoy the exploits of Heroes
                  1. Roman 1977
                    Roman 1977 10 January 2014 18: 09
                    +16
                    Well, by the way, everything comes to an end and soon these nice guys began to successfully crush Bandera scum:

                    UX group smashed Bandera in the Carpathians 1947-1949 gg.



                    Shlyukhevych was hiding in the apartments of his mistresses, but the chief specialist in "bandarlogs" - Pavel Anatolyevich Sudoplatov - arrived in Lviv. The sergeant of the internal troops, a Ukrainian Polishchuk, who killed Shukhevych, received a commendation and a prize of 3 rubles (the head of the parcel commander was inexpensively appreciated).
                    However. as the saying goes "an apple tree falls not far from an apple tree." The son of Shlyukhevych, Yuri Shlyukhevych, another HEROY Ukoainy is the honorary chairman of UNA-UNSO and believes that the Kuban, Belgorod region and the southern Don are Ukrainian lands, which will sooner or later return to Ukraine. Yes, Joseph Vissarionovich was kind enough not to press down Bandera's dirt.
                    P.S. I ask you not to shoot the pianist, he played as he managed ...
                    1. varov14
                      varov14 10 January 2014 23: 10
                      +2
                      Hmm, perhaps Western Ukraine should be surrendered to Poland, there will be something to say to the former slaves. Yes, and they themselves are eager for Europe, so there will be someone to flog.
                    2. CALL.
                      CALL. 11 January 2014 03: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: Novel 1977
                      P.S. I ask you not to shoot the pianist, he played as he managed ...

                      Well no. Everything about the case. Pluses for clarity, clarity, visibility and expressiveness.
                  2. sds555
                    sds555 10 January 2014 18: 17
                    +10
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    The request to the moderators not to delete photos, let everyone enjoy the exploits of Heroes

                    I support, and even recently in Europe they are trying to instill in these freaks the image of holy fighters for independence (especially in Ukraine)
                    1. Lelek
                      Lelek 10 January 2014 22: 38
                      +4
                      Well, you have to rely on someone, and when it smells fried, turn the arrows. request
                2. Ihrek
                  Ihrek 10 January 2014 23: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Novel 1977
                  during which from 30 to 80 thousand Poles were killed. I will dwell on several episodes: “In the alley of old trees, they“ decorated ”the trunk of each tree with the corpse of a child killed before this. According to Western researcher Alexander Korman, the corpses were nailed to the trees

                  Really Poles do not know about it.
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                  2. Roman 1977
                    Roman 1977 10 January 2014 23: 45
                    +6
                    Dear Jamal, of course they know and have not forgotten.
                    Here is a monument erected by Polish children killed by Bandera:

                    And still take revenge:
                    On July 2, 2008 of the year, the 78-year-old resident of the Polish village of Guta Penyatska, Janusz Marchak, in a visitor of a cafe located on the gas station territory, recognized one of the executioners, who in February of the 1944-th year as part of the 4-th Galitsky volunteer SS regiment brutally destroyed more than 800 residents of this village.
                    60 with more than years ago, he remembered the face of this man for life, since there was also a bright external sign - a big darling on his left cheek. It was this man and another SS man who broke into their house that terrible morning. Janusz was lucky - at that moment he was in the attic and only this saved his life. Through the heap of straw in which he hid, the boy heard the heartbreaking cries of his parents and two sisters. Then everything fell silent. The executioners came out of the hut, washed themselves at the well, lit a cigarette and began to discuss something just five meters from the attic gap, to which the surviving boy clung miraculously ... Only in the evening, the cries of the victims, gunshots and drunken laughter of the Galician volunteers fell silent. Janusz didn’t enter the hut - when he found a severed child’s brush on the doorstep of the house, he rushed in terror to run away from a terrible place until he found himself in a forest, from where he went out to a nearby farmhouse the next morning. Later it turned out that the parents of Janusz were hacked with an ax, and the two younger sisters were killed with a knife and the body of one of them was dismembered by savages.
                    Making sure that he was the one who executed his family in front of him, Marchak returned to the minibus, where his son, his wife and her brother, and two great-grandchildren were waiting for him. After punishing the son to detain the executioner, if he intended to leave the gas station, his father quickly went to the village and returned with two more surviving witnesses of that long-standing tragedy, which, in turn, did not come alone. For almost an hour, 14 was eagerly waiting for the assassin to leave the cafe and head to the parking lot.

                    ... The police and the ambulance arrived too late. Having received many stab wounds, with a broken neck and ribs and a leaky eye, the “victim of a gang attack” died on the way to the hospital. A thorough investigation revealed that Marchak was not mistaken. The citizen of Poland Frantisek Orzhechowski (Lubelskie Voivodeship) actually turned out to be Vasyl Kogut, the same former “guest” from the 4 Galician SS Volunteer Regiment, which 63 a year ago took part in the mass execution of residents of the village of Guta Penyack. Having learned the details of the case, Kogut's only son refused the lawsuit, however, nevertheless, Polish Themis is investigating the episode in order to find and punish the initiators and participants of the “Lynch trial” over the former punisher. The Polish General Prosecutor’s Office is inundated today with angry letters from the Polish public demanding “hands off from justice”, where justice means a thin village boy who was orphaned in the winter of 1944 in the winter ...

                    http://censor.net.ua/go/viewtopic--id--195711
                    1. sds555
                      sds555 11 January 2014 00: 32
                      +2
                      That's right they all did-animals must be punished!!!
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            3. Ustian
              Ustian 10 January 2014 17: 30
              +3
              Someone minus. Isn’t that all the whore? (Probably took the name of her husband) what
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 10 January 2014 17: 20
            +6
            Quote: Novel 1977
            UPA gang ..... Rezun killed 529 people, including 220 children

            and the descendant of such banderlog Yushchenko, managed to sow and grow the next seeds of Svidomite banderlog nonhumans.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 10 January 2014 17: 42
              +11
              Quote: Scoun
              and the descendant of such banderlog Yushchenko, managed to sow and grow the next seeds of Svidomite banderlog nonhumans.

              But don’t you remember that Yusch said on 05-06 that his dad or grandfather didn’t remember exactly, I tried the coffee for the first time in a concentration camp. My eyes popped out and my glasses pushed out. They crashed, I wanted to sue him, but I remembered , don’t touch him, it’s not .... What was his ancestor doing there if he was treated to coffee, like he didn’t enter the prisoners of war diet.
            2. 120352
              120352 10 January 2014 17: 48
              +7
              It's funny that the OUN - the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists was, but the Ukrainian nation did not exist. Little Russians were! But they did not go into murderers of women and children, into traitors of the Russian people. They fought. And this stuff was looting. In science, such geeks are called "population withdrawal", i.e. rubbish.
              1. Garrin
                Garrin 10 January 2014 17: 55
                +9
                Quote: 120352
                And this rubbish - looting.

                But why? Not only looting. Khatyn is their work. Burned children, women and the elderly, this is no longer looting.
            3. shtanko.49
              shtanko.49 10 January 2014 17: 48
              +6
              The rats are not finished, but the under-educated youth looks into their stinking mouth, but this is the will of their rulers.
          3. 120352
            120352 10 January 2014 17: 44
            +4
            Flatter all the disadvantages!
          4. sds555
            sds555 10 January 2014 17: 50
            +5
            It’s a pity that not all the freaks were finished then, if we wouldn’t have climbed out in Western Ukraine now
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          1. 120352
            120352 10 January 2014 17: 51
            +3
            Do you want people to understand you, write in human language.
            1. Ljubomir
              Ljubomir 10 January 2014 17: 57
              +4
              Do you want people to understand you

              I’m writing, and it jezik of its masters makes a difference.
        4. Ustian
          Ustian 10 January 2014 16: 46
          +3
          Shit-pustules popped out! They can't digest all their bile. You have a "dear" losername
          there is no future, you will understand .. later! Together with your goblinchanin spine. You will lick anal cocks. But generally, basle whatever you want: the dogs bark, the wind wears ... smile
          1. Ljubomir
            Ljubomir 10 January 2014 16: 51
            +8
            Lyakham will lick anal

            will be more like that! with riveting. and the Poles, and the Magyars, and dummies ...
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    3. smel
      smel 10 January 2014 15: 59
      +9
      Jihad will be a worthy answer for you
      But only after the gallows for you, my dear
      1. username
        username 10 January 2014 16: 00
        -11%
        Only after you Ympertsy
    4. avt
      avt 10 January 2014 16: 06
      +17
      Quote: username
      Jihad will be a worthy answer for you

      Well, Eurostat appeared as a maydanut, Eurokiev shit, now he’s looking for a new place to shit. I decided to see the skulls. Change your profile picture in the spirit of your European choice to a rainbow one.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 10 January 2014 16: 10
        +12
        europidre is a diagnosis already, and not a catch phrase =] yes admins will forgive me for such a word
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      3. smel
        smel 10 January 2014 16: 14
        +15
        Yes, there are a couple of them. Both are registered on January 10. Apparently from the gay community
        1. username
          username 10 January 2014 16: 18
          -1
          How many gays have you caught today? When to the factory?
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        2. ele1285
          ele1285 10 January 2014 16: 42
          +3
          Come on, two such funny animals, neither of which they can and cannot, but there is enough pathos for the division.
          1. avt
            avt 10 January 2014 16: 51
            +9
            Quote: ele1285
            Come on, two such funny animals, neither of which they can and cannot, but there is enough pathos for the division.

            No, they fade, earlier more interesting specimens came across, I had to strain on the answer, but here it’s just unicellular. request All their beeps fit into one phrase.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 10 January 2014 16: 57
              +3
              Quote: avt
              No, they fade, earlier more interesting specimens came across, I had to strain on the answer, but here it’s just unicellular. request All their beeps fit into one phrase.

              Well, for a long time I didn’t laugh like that, honestly, to tears, what kind of brain did their ancestors have? Really, a flock of baboons who were given a bell.
            2. 120352
              120352 10 January 2014 17: 55
              +2
              This, dear, is called degradation with degeneration.
            3. ty60
              ty60 10 January 2014 21: 32
              +1
              so in European style. if there are no brains, they will answer .. well, you taste
        3. ele1285
          ele1285 10 January 2014 17: 03
          +2
          Quote: smel
          Yes, there are a couple of them. Both are registered on January 10. Apparently from the gay community

          It’s interesting, they’ll get their own or do they have only these two who can write?
        4. Ustian
          Ustian 10 January 2014 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: smel
          Yes, there are a couple of them. Both are registered on January 10. Apparently from the gay community

          Doves coo
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  3. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 15: 57
    +2
    Oh, soon the abscess of the Kyrgyz love for the Uzbeks, and the Uzbeks for the Tajiks will open ... And the whole war will take place in Russia, since the entire able-bodied population is already golden-handed over all the major cities of the country. All this is sad ...
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 10 January 2014 17: 25
      +1
      hurry to take the box, it will be fun (for everyone) laughing
  4. oscar
    oscar 10 January 2014 16: 00
    +4
    Americans will leave Afghanistan for a long time and during this time we will have to strengthen the CU and the CSTO. Only hope for it. And a ghostly arrangement with the Taliban (very ghostly)
    1. username
      username 10 January 2014 16: 02
      -8
      All you can hope for is quick death from the civilized world.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 10 January 2014 16: 05
        +5
        you resemble a rooster. Only the chicken coop has already leaked. pay attention) I'm not talking about your orientation (although it smacks of civilized pederast from you) I'm talking about your crowing =] Take this not as an insult, but as a hint about your current chicken coop
        1. username
          username 10 January 2014 16: 10
          -2
          You are our Soviet) Typical thinking of the descendant of serf slaves who are not able to fight for freedom and their rights, do as the Tsar tells you and rejoice at scolding all dissenters
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 10 January 2014 16: 13
            +9
            you are a very funny character. sectarian. you are probably 16 years old? come on the truth. I will not laugh. I do not laugh at the wretched. I only regret you. Only one thing can save you - your unconsciousness because of your small age and the fool of your father, who did not instill in you a single masculine quality. you are defective. Alas this is probably personal, so you can not answer me. Go in peace, wait for your ice ax)
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            4. username
              username 10 January 2014 16: 20
              0
              Dear older person, when will you start building communism?
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            5. avt
              avt 10 January 2014 16: 55
              +9
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              Go in peace, wait for your ice ax)

              Nuuu my friend !!! An ice ax still needs to be earned! Here they have just spoken to a dildo, and one for two. laughing
              1. Bepdukt
                Bepdukt 10 January 2014 18: 01
                +3
                Dildo them only for joy!
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    3. Don
      Don 10 January 2014 17: 15
      +2
      Quote: oscar
      And a ghostly arrangement with the Taliban (very ghostly)

      The Taliban have never agreed with anyone. We cannot know for sure whether they will take power immediately after the release or not, but you certainly will not agree with them.
    4. 120352
      120352 10 January 2014 17: 59
      +2
      Borders need to be strengthened! And not outposts, but military units with advanced artillery and rocket launchers. This is the kind of war that is being imposed on us that must be waged on foreign territory! It would be just what.
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 10 January 2014 20: 14
        +4
        I agree, but I’ll clarify, with mobile combat units with strong air groups. This audience is clearly not going to get to the fortified areas. This is where the Cossacks would come in handy, but a Tajik Cossack is a plot for KVN.
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 11 January 2014 04: 14
        +2
        Quote: 120352
        This is the kind of war that is being imposed on us that must be waged on foreign territory!


        In order to wage war and not look back, you need to clear the rear of the fifth column, that would not work, as in Spain.
      3. Don
        Don 13 January 2014 18: 37
        +1
        Quote: 120352
        And not outposts, but military units with advanced artillery and rocket launchers.

        The Tajik army has both artillery and MLRS, and in case of a serious breakthrough they have something to fight, and the Russian Air Force in this area is enough to support it.
        Quote: 120352
        This is the kind of war that is being imposed on us

        What kind of war? There is no war so far, and the one that will be is not known when, it is not known what will be.
        Quote: 120352
        It would be just what.

        Russia has nothing to fight against the Islamists of Afghanistan? Do not grind nonsense.
  5. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 10 January 2014 16: 12
    +1
    If these are the Balkans, then there will be wars with the participation of Russia. Although, I would like to do without a war, but it’s too late.
    1. username
      username 10 January 2014 16: 19
      -2
      only war can cleanse the world from imperial dirt
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    2. novobranets
      novobranets 10 January 2014 16: 25
      +1
      Remember the story. Almost all world wars began in the Balkans.
  6. saag
    saag 10 January 2014 16: 20
    +1
    Well, the Americans will withdraw the troops from Afghanistan, and that the Taliban will climb through the river or something, why do they need it, they have a drug addiction business there, everyone is involved in it. there will again be a state of sluggish war among themselves
    1. Ustian
      Ustian 10 January 2014 17: 05
      0
      But what about the great caliphate from sea to sea? wassat
      1. 120352
        120352 10 January 2014 18: 01
        +3
        From him, carpet bombing and shooting in squares help a lot.
    2. Arhj
      Arhj 10 January 2014 20: 19
      +2
      As for the business, you are not quite right. Under the Taliban, opium poppy production declined sharply, as it is against Islam. And with the advent of NATO troops, production again went uphill. Moreover, the export of finished products was often carried out by the Alliance’s transport aviation.
  7. St Petrov
    St Petrov 10 January 2014 16: 20
    +9
    Quote: username
    only war can cleanse the world from imperial dirt





    Kudah tah tah
    Kudah tah tah
    Cucumber Cucumber
    Roosters sang
    Cucumber Cucumber
    UNSO! UNSO! UNSO! 11! 1
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 10 January 2014 16: 23
      +5
      But the finished Wahhabi ukroinsky spill however. If you really think so, then there is only a bullet ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 10 January 2014 16: 24
        +4
        his father also does not hurt. raised a present) the family deserved a whole horn of 30 rounds)
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        3. novobranets
          novobranets 10 January 2014 16: 28
          +4
          Yes, do not pay attention to these prosthetic heads. They have nothing to say, so, yapping from the gateway.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 10 January 2014 16: 49
            +5
            That's the whole Maidan. And there’s nothing to discuss. Who says there that they came for the truth, against the thief’s regime of Yanyk? Did they come here? You can only see those there, the schoolboy is illiterate twice. But I read, laughed at Europe, there such are needed for sure. For migrants, even those rainbow clowns, the burghers will also give us money to take them back.
        4. Garrin
          Garrin 10 January 2014 16: 45
          +2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          his father also does not hurt. raised a present) the family deserved a whole horn of 30 rounds)

          For this gopota, death from a bullet is a lot of honor.
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    3. ty60
      ty60 10 January 2014 21: 38
      +2
      Go to the Magyar, can you console me?
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    3. Rebus
      Rebus 10 January 2014 16: 38
      +10
      Quote: username
      We Ukrainians are very afraid of Russians,

      Be afraid of yourself, for stupidity and lack of education will destroy you ...
      1. Ustian
        Ustian 10 January 2014 17: 01
        +5
        [/ quote] Quote: username
        We are unaunsists are very afraid of the Russians, we are ready to rinse the flabby, forgive us for the shit out of our heads, if not, then tomorrow I’ll kill him, I’ll start from myself ... [/ quote]
        Well, here's the imperfection, correct!
        1. ty60
          ty60 10 January 2014 21: 41
          +1
          I won’t send a gun, you have it yourself. Start with yourself.
      2. 120352
        120352 10 January 2014 18: 07
        +7
        Why are you afraid that we are still feeding you? Or the fact that you yourself destroyed your economy and now, by tradition, will shift the blame on us? Enough! We will not take you, traitors, into Russia once again. How many times have we received you at your tearful request, how many times have you betrayed us! Turn Novorossia with Crimea and sit yourself in the dark.
  9. ele1285
    ele1285 10 January 2014 16: 52
    +7
    Interview these Galicians in the studio, well, clean neighing, reminded Novodvorskaya, one to one.
    1. Hauser
      Hauser 10 January 2014 20: 17
      +2
      I agree. Moderator, you either immediately ban them or let others laugh.
    2. ty60
      ty60 10 January 2014 21: 44
      0
      I thought, whom does all this remind?
    3. CALL.
      CALL. 11 January 2014 04: 21
      +1
      Quote: ele1285
      Interview these Galicians in the studio, well, clean neighing, reminded Novodvorskaya, one to one


      So they are zombified according to one technique. The teachers are the same.
  10. DUBOVAY ROCHA
    DUBOVAY ROCHA 10 January 2014 16: 57
    +4
    I agree with the ardent border to the castle. Unfortunately, no one understands. Another generation has grown in these
    republics. Russia is for them a place where you can get money. And its inhabitants are natives. If the native
    if there’s a club (figuratively speaking) then you need to be afraid if you don’t do what you want.
  11. Boris63
    Boris63 10 January 2014 17: 03
    +2
    Central Asia has always been Russia's "headache". After joining Russia in the 19th century. Wed Asia was never able to get out of the feudal system (even under Soviet power, they could not eradicate). Now, again, we will have to "disentangle" everything:
  12. Garrin
    Garrin 10 January 2014 17: 05
    +6
    Quote: ele1285
    Interview these Galicians in the studio, well, clean neighing, reminded Novodvorskaya, one to one.

    Want an interview?

    Well, somewhere like that.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 10 January 2014 17: 10
      +2
      To go to the zoo, you have to pay money, but here it’s free. Give someone the address of their forum, I’ll cheer myself up, they say laughter heals.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 11 January 2014 04: 33
        +1
        Quote: ele1285
        Give someone the address of their forum,


        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxfV8adXquk
    2. Ustian
      Ustian 10 January 2014 17: 27
      +2
      And who jumps that ... I do not remember how it is ... what
      Something in the background "mos k a lei" to fig! wassat
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 10 January 2014 17: 33
        +3
        It’s just that Putin’s agents are probably there, they seem to be everywhere.
    3. 120352
      120352 10 January 2014 18: 11
      +2
      This is how much you had to drink so that the brains completely fell out!
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 10 January 2014 18: 15
        +2
        Quote: 120352
        This is how much you had to drink so that the brains completely fell out!

        There is a saying: "A drunken man will sleep it off - d.u.rak, never."
        Unfortunately, the boys already have a broken brain. Do not oversleep. These are already specific enemies.
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 10 January 2014 18: 41
        +2
        And there’s nothing to fall out, a solid bone.
  13. knn54
    knn54 10 January 2014 17: 07
    +5
    -The economic successes of Astana have long been the subject of wary attention of the Central Asian neighbors.
    Kazakhstan's export is about the same as that of the Russian Federation - raw materials and energy.
    -Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are poor in natural resources, and indeed poor.
    Kyrgyzstan: mercury, antimony, gold, rare-earth metals ... or does the author consider oil and gas ONLY for resources?
    Regarding JOINT Border Protection: “INTERESTED” services in the Russian Federation, the Republic of Kazakhstan and other republics cannot yet decide on the distribution of drug trafficking ...
    “Undermining” (with the help of the armed Islamist opposition or masquerading as it) ANY of the five states is capable of provoking the collapse of the “Eurasian Balkans”. The only question is which of the states should be pushed first to achieve maximum effect ... Although, the MOST DANGEROUS place is the Ferghana Valley, located at the epicenter of the PROBLEM weaving of the borders of Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan.
    1. Don
      Don 10 January 2014 17: 37
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      Kazakhstan's export is about the same as that of the Russian Federation - raw materials and energy.

      1. The percentage is different.
      2. And what?
      Quote: knn54
      Kyrgyzstan: mercury, antimony, gold, rare-earth metals ... or does the author consider oil and gas ONLY for resources?

      I agree. And Tajikistan is also rich in these resources. The problem is that they do not develop.
      Quote: knn54
      Concerning JOINT Border Protection: “INTERESTED” services in the Russian Federation, the Republic of Kazakhstan and other republics cannot yet resolve the issue of sharing drug trafficking

      Are you sure they are in proportion? Is there evidence?
      Quote: knn54
      The only question is which of the states should be pushed first to achieve maximum effect.

      There they are all equally. Tajikistan a powder keg, in the 90s it was already exploding. In Uzbekistan, as you correctly wrote, the Ferghana Valley and Islamic radicals.
      1. ty60
        ty60 10 January 2014 21: 59
        -1
        So they will set it on fire at the junction, at the lowest cost and on all sides. Fergana’s neighborhood. They will look for settlements with national conflicts, they will try to force everyone to participate, and the Uzbeks. And the Tajiks and the Kirghiz will be jerked off, the Turkmens will fuss, although not a fact. look in this direction. I think that here the dog fluttered.
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  15. Lukich
    Lukich 10 January 2014 18: 48
    +5
    Quote: username
    only war can cleanse the world from imperial dirt


    ... even though you are Ukrainian - but some kind of stupid, maybe you are mishandled? ...
    ... I got stamps - a la Europe, and you blame everything to a heap-strange-somehow ... like you write without errors ...
    ... there is such a thing - "salon dementia" - you need to be checked ...

    ... and the war of the Lord is always bad !!! ...
  16. Nitarius
    Nitarius 10 January 2014 19: 16
    +3
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, what will Kazakhstan fight off if that ???

    We are one! and if that help! From time immemorial - WE DO NOT DROP OWN! This does not apply to Anglo-Saxons!
    1. waisson
      waisson 10 January 2014 19: 29
      +1
      Of course, we will help even though they train their military personnel not in Russia but in the states we help everyone recently forgiven debts to the countries of Africa and the Caribbean, so who would help us to understand the country and raise a little bit of a living standard not on paper but in reality
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 10 January 2014 20: 44
        +3
        Quote: waisson
        even though they are training their military personnel not in Russia but in the states

        Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu at a meeting with his Kazakh counterpart Adilbek Dzhaksybekov discussed the interaction of the two countries in the field of military education, said Shoygu spokeswoman Daria Zatulina, News-Kazakhstan news agency reported.

        Shoigu arrived on an official visit to Kazakhstan on Tuesday.

        "The host side is interested in training Kazakh servicemen in Russian universities," Zatulina noted.

        She added that after meeting with Dzhaksybekov Shoigu visited the republican school "Zhas Ulan" to get acquainted with the Kazakh experience of training cadets.

        According to the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, today more than 600 troops from this country study at military universities of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 10 January 2014 22: 12
          +4
          Andrey, hello and support! The only thing I really wanted to add. Our students are taught through the rental of Baikonur. And in the West there are only a dozen cadets. Vasily, probably not in the know that we are in the CSTO and are armed with Soviet and Russian weapons, well, a little domestic.
          By NATO standards, only a peacekeeping battalion is trained and can operate. There, in my opinion, knowledge of a foreign language is required. But I don’t know for sure. hi
        2. Clegg
          Clegg 10 January 2014 22: 20
          +2
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          According to the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, today more than 600 troops from this country study at military universities of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

          It's a bit too much
    2. ty60
      ty60 10 January 2014 22: 01
      -1
      I was born in Kazakhstan by the will of fate. Ready to join the Legion.
  17. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 19: 25
    0
    Quote: Andrew KZ
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, what will Kazakhstan fight off if that ???

    There is no other way out.

    Yes, the fact is that there is no way out only with us .. !!! Russia is the main thing that they do not hit in the back .. So that everything is honest there isn’t like that .. and if you stand to death, then to the end until victory! Is there any hope ?? That is the question...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 10 January 2014 22: 11
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN

      Yes, the fact is that there is no way out only with us .. !!! Russia is the main thing that they do not hit in the back .. So that everything is honest there isn’t like that .. and if you stand to death, then to the end until victory! Is there any hope ?? That is the question...

      be sure to hit as soon as you turn your back, we love to hit this thing in the back of the head laughing . But seriously, your army should defend its territory, and not the army of a neighboring state (even if the union). Weapons and software can be accepted from the allies, and the soldiers should be their own. The majority of Kazakhs will stand for death for Kazakhstan, and somewhere around 30% of Russian speakers will at best be blamed. I do not blame them and understand somewhere, they do not see themselves in independent Kazakhstan and do not connect their future and the future of their children with it.
  18. GEO
    GEO 10 January 2014 19: 48
    0
    Roman, thanks!
  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 20: 11
    0
    In the Asian "former" former comrades ruled already in years ... There is still stability, but they will begin to die .. the redistribution of power there, after all, all the clans are generic .. and what will begin ..? Kyrgyzstan won’t all share power .. Here one member of the forum seems to be straining in this direction in vain (the Americans are not just withdrawing troops ..) and leave a bunch of weapons (it’s unprofitable to export ..) The wave will trample .. soon and the most interesting thing is in our rear a lot already .. well, I'm just guessing .. and what if that ..?
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 10 January 2014 21: 56
      +4
      "Former comrades", having protected themselves with all sorts of laws and titles (like Leader of the Nation), forget that our descendants win back. The transfer of power, which the "former comrades" will think over, is not terrible, the redistribution of everything is terrible. The Ukrainians told me how the sons of Yanukovych are doing business - I was shocked. So I think that sooner or later the "descendants" are waiting and no Strasbourg court or any other will help.
      And don’t worry about Mother Russia, Kazakhstan will have to go over to them. And here they can’t see any support hi
    2. ty60
      ty60 10 January 2014 22: 08
      0
      Well, I wrote, block the Uzbeks and offer deportation to the Gaster. Moreover, at their expense. And slowly make concessions. VERY SLOW. Mattresses are not in finances now, the Uzbeks will not be able to close this hole. Yes, I didn’t add a detail to forbid money transfers from Russia. Any. And then wait a bit.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 10 January 2014 22: 44
        +4
        Eugene, hello dear! There is only one problem with Gaster - bureaucrats are interested in them (in uniform and not). While she "warms their hands" the problem will be. This is on the one hand.
        With another . It seems to me that our leaders adhere to this. Suppose that we send all illegitimate people home. There will be a social explosion in the CA countries, which will sweep away power. Further it is not clear what. One of the options is the rise to power of radicals, extremists, etc. .. We will get what the State Department dreams of. Do we need this?
        Yes, we want to see strong states in the CA countries. But for this it is necessary to raise the economy, investments are needed; and this requires STABILITY AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE AUTHORITIES. There is no STABILITY in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and as a result, "money does not go" (and in vain, many think that these are countries poor in natural resources - there is a lot where you can invest). In Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, there is no UNDERSTANDING OF THE AUTHORITIES - these will sooner or later get cooked in their boiler (to be honest, I don't understand the leaders of these countries in terms of their vision of the future of their states). hi
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 11 January 2014 03: 00
          +3
          Quote: Kasym
          bureaucrats are interested in them (in uniform and not)

          I will add, and "human rights activists". Those who shout as much that without guest workers, Russia will not be able to raise the economy. It is clear from whose voice they are shouting. And it's not a fact that under the guise of guest workers, trained saboteurs do not penetrate into Russia.
  20. Zymran
    Zymran 10 January 2014 20: 43
    +4
    The author, in my opinion, exaggerates the stability and stability of Kazakhstan. Economic success on paper, but in fact there is a decline in living standards. Of course, there will be no war, but internal fermentation will continue to intensify. The peak will reach a year through 2-3 (IMHO).
  21. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 21: 18
    +1
    Quote: Zymran
    The author, in my opinion, exaggerates the stability and stability of Kazakhstan. Economic success on paper, but in fact there is a decline in living standards. Of course, there will be no war, but internal fermentation will continue to intensify. The peak will reach a year through 2-3 (IMHO).

    Correctly noticed .. well, I think in a year ..
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 10 January 2014 21: 23
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Correctly noticed .. well, I think in a year ..


      Maybe in a year.
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 21: 46
    +1
    Quote: Zymran
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Correctly noticed .. well, I think in a year ..


    Maybe in a year.

    Everything can be .. (why did it minus .. ??) What do you think we’ll fight off together .. or how .. ???
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 10 January 2014 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Everything can be .. (why did it minus .. ??


      Corrected.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Do you think we’ll fight off together .. or how .. ???


      Well, I don't think war will be anyway. Rather, an internal jam.
      1. marshes
        marshes 10 January 2014 22: 32
        +1
        Quote: Zymran
        Rather, an internal jam.

        Nothing will happen, the nuts began to tighten.
        Cleaning Nur-Otan, taking control of the media, tightening financial monitoring, etc. - everything is going according to plan, people will come "tough" ...
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 10 January 2014 22: 40
          +2
          Well, they feel that the patience of the people is already running out.
          1. marshes
            marshes 10 January 2014 22: 52
            +3
            Quote: Zymran
            Well, they feel that the patience of the people is already running out.

            Those who are sitting on the Internet and so people nevermind, there would be no war.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 10 January 2014 22: 55
              +2
              Well I do not know. I would not be so optimistic. Example: in 2007 in the aul in the North they were already very dissatisfied with the authorities, and now all this is accumulating. Tunisia and Egypt were also examples of "stability".
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 10 January 2014 22: 59
                +2
                Zymran, Bolot, Kasym what do you think about the extradition of Ablyazov?
                1. marshes
                  marshes 10 January 2014 23: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Zymran, Bolot, Kasym what do you think about the extradition of Ablyazov?

                  The next one will be Aliyev and then in the shade, to look after using constitutional law.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 10 January 2014 23: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: marshes
                    Next will be Aliev

                    Well, while Ablyazov has a chance to get off, extradition to Russia or Ukraine. Not the fact that they will immediately pass on to Nana. Maybe there will be bargaining and the next surrender of the interests of KZ for this (
                    1. Zymran
                      Zymran 10 January 2014 23: 14
                      +2
                      Yeah. By the way, in my opinion, he stupidly wanted to squeeze a bank from Mukhtarka, but he did not like this idea.
                    2. marshes
                      marshes 10 January 2014 23: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: Clegg
                      Extradition to Russia or Ukraine

                      He managed to do something in both countries; Ireland, Hungary, etc. are on the list. A world-class swindler.
                      They will tear off as sticky and send to us.
              2. marshes
                marshes 10 January 2014 23: 01
                +4
                Quote: Zymran
                I would not be so optimistic.

                This is not optimism.
                Excessive "body movements" from neighbors in the south will play into the hands of our authorities.
                Even Europeans and Americans will turn a blind eye for fear of losing their investment.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 11 January 2014 00: 09
                  +5
                  As far as I remember, when the National Academy of Sciences proposed fin. helping the banks, he instructed the dates to check all the banks. BTA had the most critical situation and the National Academy of Sciences demanded a much more significant controlling interest in the bank. Ablyazov made a mistake that he resisted and began to pump money out of the country (this is where the National Academy of Sciences got mad) in order to escape. I would sit quietly, bread and butter (palace, Mercedes and plane) would always be. "Greed ruined the frayer" - he worked at the physics department, like a smart guy. He was sitting, so he got scared that they would put him back in prison and that they would take everything away and add the old undelivered term.
                  They will "squeeze" him back in France. Then all the others. It will come to us empty - the National Academy of Sciences is already breaking up to be given out to us. For him, this "example" is needed to improve the image of the authorities. "I will pull anyone out of any state if necessary and you will not hide from me." But he will definitely not bring Aliyev here - he knows too much, for many it is very inconvenient (he worked in the KNB and the Foreign Ministry), and there are also children - grandchildren of the National Academy of Sciences. And how will NAS put him on the bunk? No, it won't return. If he talks a lot, he will be removed there. And so, there the little wife has already "held negotiations" - the limits of what is permissible are indicated, the rules are established. Kazhegeldin is a waste material and is not interesting. It seems to me that he let Khrapunov go, by mutual agreement. It seems to me that this one also knows a lot - it was not for nothing that he put his richest city in charge. Yes, and so freely that they still cannot understand to whom he sold plots in the "trump places of the city". hi
              3. Kasym
                Kasym 11 January 2014 03: 56
                +4
                Sorry, fellow countrymen, that I’m getting up. But there, in Egypt and Tunisia, the level of education is lower and much (I think this plays a significant role). For me now 2 questions are interesting:
                1) With the formation of the Union, will the living standards of Kazakhstanis rise.
                2) This question raises the article at the expense of the receiver.
                Here you can argue endlessly. But it seems to me that the National Academy of Sciences does not declare (about the political component), but the Union implies that the citizens of the three countries will have equal rights in the Union. This means where the "social sphere" and the standard of living are higher and the representatives of the middle class will strive there. Consequently, "competition" for human resources will begin. In this we are still losing the Russian Federation (for example, the salaries of teachers and doctors or "maternity" capital and pensions). NAS on the outflow of the population after the collapse of the USSR knows what it is and what it threatens. I think I must and will have to raise the level to the Russian Federation. Maybe even most likely will do gradually. Otherwise, the outflow is inevitable. Or the Russian Federation will begin to reduce the social sector, and we will tighten up to them - this option is not excluded (given the slowdown in GDP to 1,4% in the Russian Federation, Kudrin, incidentally, predicted such a situation in connection with the growth of defense orders).
                I do not mean the TS (here trade), but the Union of 3 countries that will begin to work in 2015.
                Until the last moment, he considered Tasmagambetov as a receiver. But in view of Tokaev’s return (I thought I was sent to an honorary link before retirement) I changed my opinion, since this is the most convenient figure for the family. In large commercial companies was not seen. A diplomat who is known everywhere. He doesn’t really need to be a business manager - he came up with NAS programs for half a century, and even there there is someone to put the prime minister. There may also be an option that the National Academy of Sciences will prepare for itself some kind of chair in the union structure by agreement with the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus - let the elder amuse his vanity. hi
  23. Leshka
    Leshka 10 January 2014 21: 50
    0
    interesting layout
  24. da113
    da113 10 January 2014 22: 04
    +2
    Quote: A.YARY
    Nah!
    NEED TO ENTER VISAS! Uzbekov and other Central Asian slavery-send to the hut, along the border of the power grid and AK-630 through 1000m in automatic mode to move! Friend, let him go at the door and not at the window! Not at the called-in!
    But again, this will not happen, weaklings in power.

    It is simply beneficial for this government to have cheap, slave power ... since the Russians will have to pay a normal salary!) We have to pay taxes, a communal apartment, a pension fund, for the education of children, etc. They don’t have to pay anything, they they can sleep in the trailer! Grade 2 education, children at home ...
  25. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 10 January 2014 23: 41
    +2
    There are many "sons" of Pan Shlyukhevich in the Caucasus forever! The rest of the comrades, they will lead to order, be calm! And the Kazakhs will ask - we will help, they understand that they are with us on the way. The rest will think and ask themselves back.
  26. alone
    alone 10 January 2014 23: 51
    0
    I think that directly danger threatens only Tajikistan. And the rest will depend on the actions of Tajikistan.
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  28. demotivator
    demotivator 11 January 2014 07: 24
    +1
    Turkmenistan This republic, the farther, the more acquiring the features of traditional eastern despotism, since the beginning of the 90s has been adhering to the principle of neutrality in all international issues.

    It is a fact! And although the author of the article notes that the authorities in Turkmenni are "totalitarian" or "despotic", the topic must not fail to see that there are no Turkmen guest workers at all in the Russian expanses. What does this mean that the Turkmen "despots" at least provided their population with employment and work. They simply do not need to seek their happiness on the side. But neighboring "democrats" like Rakhmon and Karimov are overwhelming Russia with their citizens. I am not even talking about some of the Turkmen social programs. It is possible to quote the prices for food products in Turkmenistan, but since they are only in their national currency - manats, because of the need to convert them into rubles, I will not do this. For comparison - the price of a liter of gasoline there is approximately equal to the price of a box of matches! Travel in public transport (except for fixed-route taxis) is also very cheap - 50 manats. This is five times less than the price of a box of matches. I do not think that such a ratio of prices is found in any other country in the world: Travel in a "minibus" costs 10 times more, 500 manats. From gasoline prices, thought smoothly moves to car prices. Owning a car in Turkmenistan is, first of all, very prestigious for a real man and often a loving father gives his son an iron horse for his majority. Russian models are very popular, especially "Lada" and "Volga". Their prices are about 20% higher than producer prices.
    An increasing number of owners of used foreign cars, having tasted all the delights of purchasing scarce and expensive spare parts, advertise their exchange for Russian cars or sell them to buy a new "Lada" instead of a "Mercedes" ten years ago. Spare parts for Russian cars are quite cheap and a wide selection of them can be found every Sunday in the Ashgabat "flea market".
    Summarizing the above, I emphasize that for Russia it would be better to have Turkmenistan in the composition of the EEC or CU than Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. These two countries are trying to solve their internal problems at the expense of Russia. Do we need this?
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 11 January 2014 08: 38
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      For comparison - the price of a liter of gas there is approximately equal to the price of a box of matches!

      So expensive matches? lol
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 11 January 2014 12: 27
      +2
      Bugaga, and then the Turkmen do not care your vehicle and the EEC? They will enter and nothing from cheap gasoline and food will remain.

      Quote: demotivator
      Owning a car in Turkmenistan is, first of all, very prestigious for a real man, and often a loving father gives his son an iron horse for his majority. Russian models are very popular, especially "Lada" and "Volga". Their prices are about 20% higher than producer prices.


      In Turkmenistan, slightly used foreign cars are popular, rather than frets and Volga. Take a look at the prices at http://www.tmawto.com/
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 11 January 2014 16: 23
        +1
        Quote: Zymran
        They will enter and nothing from cheap gasoline and food will remain.

        Turkmenistan lives one day. Will the gas price collapse tomorrow? And will it ever end, then what? Industry is no longer there. Nazarbayev is a much more far-sighted politician than Turkmenbashi. He wants to rid Kazakhstan of raw materials dependence and is developing industry. People now he doesn’t bathe in cheap gasoline, but he doesn’t live in poverty, and there will be something left for posterity.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 11 January 2014 17: 04
          +1
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          He wants to rid Kazakhstan of raw materials dependence, is developing industry. The people now do not bathe in cheap gasoline, but also do not live in poverty, and there will be something left for posterity.


          Here is Svoik's literate article on "industrialization".

          http://forbes.kz/process/expertise/programma_fiir_forsirovannyiy_beg_na_meste

          And here:

          http://megakhuimyak.livejournal.com/1257370.html

          Commentary clearly reflecting the essence of what is happening with integration:

          Quote: netonomist
          From simple analogies, we can talk about the fruitful cooperation of the goat and cabbage.

          And of the complex ones, there is a story about one German gay man who advertised on some of their sites about his desire to be fucked, killed and eaten for a substantial monetary reward from him.
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 11 January 2014 19: 50
            0
            Quote: Zymran
            Here is Svoik's literate article on "industrialization".

            The article is really interesting. And P. Swoik’s conclusion also makes the right
            As far as the modern market is global, so are the global industrial and innovative structures. Actual industrial and innovative development (the path without the capital “F”) is feasible only in spaces that combine not only production and marketing, but also science, education, culture and the social sphere of at least one hundred and two hundred million people.
            About two hundred million people are now in the TS. Swoik in the article says that industrial and innovative development will not work in a single Kazakhstan, so let's try it together.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 11 January 2014 21: 06
              +1
              It is possible, but not on the conditions that the CU and EEC offer us.
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 12 January 2014 08: 26
                0
                Quote: Zymran
                It is possible, but not on the conditions that the CU and EEC offer us.

                Nazarbayev proved to be a rather tough negotiator. He will not give up the interests of the country. Here, according to Musabaev, everything has already been agreed on Baikonur
                “Right now we have agreed on a roadmap that we have been preparing for a year. How did we prepare it? You write something, suggest it, send it to Moscow, that is, to Roscosmos. Whatever you write, it’s not right, nothing suits you. Ostapenko appeared ( the new head of Roscosmos Oleg Ostapenko - Approx. of the author) - everything immediately became like this. Everything is the same, but everything is the same. What can you say? Apparently, it's not about some serious disagreements between the allied states, but about the position individual officials. The human factor - that's what they say in aviation, "Musabayev said.
                After such words the seditious thought creeps in - but is not Kazakhstan’s hands changing the leadership in Roskosmos?
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 12 January 2014 11: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  Nazarbayev proved to be a rather tough negotiator. He will not give up the interests of the country. Here, according to Musabaev, everything has already been agreed on Baikonur


                  He passed them a long time ago.
                2. Clegg
                  Clegg 12 January 2014 18: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  Nazarbayev proved to be a rather tough negotiator. He will not give up the interests of the country.

                  The question is that he seems to confuse national interests with his personal ones)))
  29. pamero
    pamero 11 January 2014 07: 30
    +1
    According to the results of the article, it seems to me that the situation is like with Ukraine here in Central Asia. But our chances are minimal with Uzbekistan, if you do not play the political gambit (give less to get more, control over the politics of Uzbekistan). The article seems to me a sober-minded person.
  30. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 January 2014 18: 17
    +1
    The article is interesting. But in general, a clear understanding is being built "who is not with us is against us." If screening cargo at the border really solves the drug problem, then it is worth investing money there. Crossing not through these crossings (sorry for the tautology) is automatically regarded as smuggling with subsequent confiscation of the cargo. And if drugs are found, the carrier is also destroyed.