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Two letters in the Constitution

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Two letters in the Constitution There is a way to save millions of fellow citizens from direct physical destruction, and many women and men of childbearing age from infertility. In one sentence, three bold statements: save millions of people from destruction; these people are citizens of our state; You can save from infertility many people of childbearing age.


The author assumes responsibility for these statements. It really is possible. And then you will not have to solve the issues of banning or legalizing abortions. Abortion as a “right to kill” must come out of the legal field. The subject of the right should be the human right to life.


Direct extermination of children from conception to birth is daily committed in medical institutions using a variety of modern technologies in gynecology and obstetrics for various reasons. Most of the reasons are not recognized by the participants and performers of this tragedy.

One of the reasons is that, despite the established and obvious scientific fact about the beginning of human life, it is officially accepted that a person’s life begins from birth. A person becomes a citizen only after birth - and then not immediately. P. 2 Art. 17 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation reads: "The fundamental rights and freedoms of a person are inalienable and belong to everyone from birth."

At the informal level today, almost no one denies the fact that for nine months from conception to birth in the womb of the mother lives and grows a small man. None of us escaped this stage of our life. None of us was a fish or a tadpole at this stage. Only a man can be conceived and grow from a human seed, just as oats or turnips never grow from wheat seed.

It is precisely because a person lives in the womb of his mother, whose civil rights are not secured and not protected by state laws, that scientific experiments on man in this stage of development have been increasingly distributed. Modern medical technologies allow direct use of the human body, its tissues and organs, in whole or in part, both for scientific and commercial purposes.

International and domestic structures that are involved in controlling the number of populations together with representatives of the pharmacological industry and producers of goods and services related to reducing the number of natural conceptions and births, will be very happy with the ban on abortions. After all, it is also an occasion to shout about the violation of human rights!

Surgery to abort pregnancy is a thing of the past. There will be no such abortions soon. Today, new technologies of death are widely used, among which chemical agents of attack on future generations are medical abortions, hormonal contraception, IVF.

Strategic warehouses of modern means of mass destruction are pharmacies and medical facilities.

Apart from the new technologies of death, modern forms of medical experiments on a person stand apart - this is artificial insemination, beautifully called “IVF”. You might think that this is something ecological. But alas, this is just another, very cruel experiment on man, on human nature.

In 1946, the Nuremberg Tribunal adopted a code of medical ethics banning medical experiments on a person and condemned participants in such experiments during World War II.

In 2010, the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine is awarded to the author of new medical experiments on humans, Mr. Robert Edwards, author of artificial insemination technology.

So, according to officially not proven, but accurate scientific and practical information obtained from different clinics of the world, from 100 children conceived with IVF, only 5 survives before birth. Of 100 children born through IVF, 70 are disabled. There is no reliable information about the childbearing ability of those who lived to childbearing age. Most families who survive this abuse of human nature are falling apart. There are no official statistics on these technologies, nor will there be. Reason: money and birth control.

But there will always be speeches and comments about happy occasions, about those who are lucky. I do not exclude the possibility of positive results. But the long-term practice of working with such families gives a very sad picture.

You can watch the film, shown almost a year ago, TV “Center”: “Contraceptives. Slaughter business.

I will say right away that I have just mentioned the “sacred cow”, which can not only be touched, but also be looked at in its direction. This is medicine and especially assisted reproductive technologies. What, then, affects the sacred right to "have", which transcends the right to "be." And last but not least, the right to “milk” this “cow”. Do not affect medical topics in non-professional communities! An illiterate person in the field of his device is easy to manipulate.

Interestingly, non-specialists can afford to talk about the Hadron Collider, sunspots, solar vortices and in general about the structure of the Universe or the secrets of the sea, but it is not necessary to learn and understand the basics of the work of their own genital system. There are doctors for this. That is why doctors have become the first victim on the altar of the slaughter of new generations. Using the credibility of people in white coats, doctors, especially obstetrician-gynecologists, were mercilessly exploited when introducing new technologies of death and artificial infertility. Mass illiteracy in matters of childbearing health makes it possible to introduce an unnoticed and unidentified "fifth column" into state education and health care systems, which is active between supporters and opponents of the abortion ban. As with one, and with the other side - a heavy legacy of the past. The third and even the fourth generation of those who have been forcibly weaned to think with their heads and be responsible for their decisions, speeches and actions. Speaking against anything is always easy and honorable. No need to do anything, even offer something for nothing.

Today, medicine, ranging from medical education, exists on money received from the pharmaceutical industry and birth control structures. Government subsidies are not able to cover all the costs of medicine (as, incidentally, on education).

The only thing that gives hope for the salvation of the people's reproductive ability is the recognition of the scientific fact of the beginning of human life and the amendment of the Basic Law of the Russian Federation in accordance with this scientific fact.

At the same time, the “fifth column” should be completely abolished, that is, thoroughly check all the structures that are participating in Russian or international population control programs in one way or another. First of all, it is the Russian Association for Population and Development (RANA) and the partners declared by this structure. The following are listed partners RANiR, according to official site of this organization.

State organizations:
• Committees of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
• Administration of the President of the Russian Federation, Office of the President on domestic policy issues.
• Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation.
• State Committee on Youth Policy.
• Commission on Women, Family and Demography under the President of the Russian Federation.
• Ministry of Labor and Social Development.
• Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation.


Non-governmental organizations:
• International Foundation for Maternal and Child Health.
• Russian Federation of Pediatric and Adolescent Gynecologists.
• Russian Association of Obstetricians-Gynecologists.
• Russian association “Sanam” (for the prevention of sexually transmitted infections).
• “AIDS Infosvyaz”.
• Union of Women of Russia.
• The movement of women in Russia.
• Consortium of women's non-governmental associations.
• Russian Society of Contraception.
• Association of studying youth "Commonwealth".
• Association of Social Workers.
• Demographic section of the Central House of Scientists of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
• International Women's Center "Future Women".


International organizations:
• Know-how Fund under the Government of Great Britain.
• Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency.
• US Agency for International Development.
• University. Johns Hopkins.
• Open Society Institute.
• International Family Planning Federation.
• United Nations Children's Fund.
• The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.
• National family planning associations of European countries.
• United Nations Population Fund.
• European Community.
• World Health Organization.


Questions about the need to check these structures and change the Basic Law of the Russian Federation should be considered in law enforcement agencies: the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the state security bodies.

And may international organizations, the world community raise a cry about the strangling of democracy in Russia.

Russia also celebrates its independence day. And if there is no real independence, then we must honestly admit it. The people will understand. Only develop with those who seek our doom, who want to tear Russia apart and divide these parts.

We, the Russian people, really do not need a democratic world community. We need our resources. Especially energy, providing power, money, comfort.

If you instruct the competent structures to give a clear definition of the beginning of a person’s life, independent of anybody’s interests, scientifically based, in the light of recent advances in embryology, then you should consider making an amendment to paragraph 2 article XXUMX of the Constitution of the Russian Federation by replacing the words "From birth" in words "From birth" (or "from conception").

If the scientific fact that human life begins from conception is officially recognized and enshrined in legislation relating to human life and health, then there will be no need to make decisions on each deadly technology separately.

Then outside the law will be:

a) all types of induced abortions (including medical abortions, hormonal contraceptives, and all types of endometrial spirals);

b) all types of assisted reproductive technologies that harm human life and health at all its stages;

c) some types of prenatal diagnosis.


Only two letters in the article of the Constitution - and millions of lives will be saved.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 10 January 2014 07: 57
    +8
    The author has lost sight of GMO products and their derivatives. In my opinion, this is a time bomb on the nation’s gene pool. And unfortunately, government officials did not pay attention to this at all.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 10 January 2014 08: 15
      +6
      Yes, this bomb is already making itself felt, older than 50, men are cores and there has been a lot of oncology, I rarely heard about it before, but now I often hear that someone from my friends is ill. And abortions must be prohibited! We must increase the population density, without saying already about the moral component of this operation.
      1. Orik
        Orik 10 January 2014 08: 24
        +1
        Cancer is a consequence of lifestyle, if interested read:
        The main book
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        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 10 January 2014 08: 55
          0
          Quote: Orik
          Cancer is a consequence of lifestyle, if interested read

          Orik, I recently often come across with a segregation, which was not there before, like heart attacks and strokes, that's why I write. As for the lifestyle, I mean ordinary people without fanaticism for a healthy lifestyle and who do exercises at the machine, rather than in the fitness room.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 10 January 2014 13: 02
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            Quote: bomg.77
            Orik, I often come across with a taxpayer recently, which was not before,


            Most likely, GMOs are only one of hundreds of causes of cancer. And in the first place most likely are all kinds of radiation from the same cellular and Wi-Fi.

            But GMO - this is an obvious evil, although not scientifically proven, but only statistically.
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 10 January 2014 15: 34
              0
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              Most likely, GMOs are only one of hundreds of causes of cancer. And in the first place most likely are all kinds of radiation from the same cellular and Wi-Fi.
              You're right about wi-fi and all sorts of mobile devices. Nobody has proven their safety, like GMOs. hi
              1. Mature naturalist
                Mature naturalist 11 January 2014 18: 17
                0
                Quote: bomg.77
                You are right about wi-fi and all sorts of mobile devices.

                Please note: with the development of WiFi and mobile communications in cities, there are no cockroaches.
                1. lelyk72
                  lelyk72 14 January 2014 14: 57
                  0
                  rave. We have a wi-fi router in our office, so cockroaches live, including near it.
        2. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 09: 19
          +1
          Cancer is a consequence of lifestyle

          Oncological diseases are a consequence of the environment much more than a lifestyle.

          And with such links, it is better to look for food on serious medical resources. There are not many doctors and people can take these idiocy seriously!
      2. alone
        alone 10 January 2014 19: 18
        +1
        An abortion is possible only if it threatens the woman’s life. Otherwise, I fully support
        1. Elizabeth
          10 January 2014 23: 24
          +2
          lonely (1)
          An abortion is possible only if it threatens the woman’s life. Otherwise, I fully support


          A normal mother who will save herself or her child?
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 04: 21
            +2
            Of course, baby! There’s nothing to even think about.
    2. A.YARY
      A.YARY 10 January 2014 08: 33
      +2
      Paul good afternoon
      I support YOU with GMOs!
      I believe that GMO is a strategic weapon against all mankind introduced by those who consider themselves a "golden billion"! Every second of its existence, GMO humanity is under mortal threat.
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      2. Kolya
        Kolya 10 January 2014 21: 55
        +1
        In short, GMOs, genetic engineering technology is corruption in evolutionary biology. Under the mercenary aspirations of individual pseudoscientists, the ecological balance formed as a result of the interactive evolution of species over millions of years is sacrificed.
    3. zvereok
      zvereok 10 January 2014 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      The author has lost sight of GMO products and their derivatives. In my opinion, this is a time bomb on the nation’s gene pool. And unfortunately, government officials did not pay attention to this at all.


      Why they didn’t turn it over, they turned it over - recently in Russia cultivation of GMOs is allowed. Everything is trite agriculture, this is loot. GMOs are big bucks. Large loot should flow into someone’s pocket. Agricultural holdings - belong to the authorities.

      "Russia has allowed sowing genetically modified grains - this follows from the Government Decree No. 23 adopted on September 839," Oleg Sukhanov, head of the market research department at Bunge (one of the world's largest sunflower oil producers), said at the Agroholdings of Russia conference.

      The decision comes into force on July 1, 2014, the seed registration process, he believes, will take a couple of years, the first crop of genetically modified soybeans can be harvested in 2016-2017. "

      http://www.agronews.ru/news/detail/130674/

      It's time we put up with slaves and earn loot for our owners. The bad thing is that our owners are not free either, and they give most of the money to their employers.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 09: 13
        +4
        Did you know that there is even a genetically modified dihydrogen monoxide! And you know how much of such a compound you drink per day?
        You have to go away from the city, to the village and grow food yourself, and not surf the Internet!
        After all, if at least someone understood a little in biology, half of the nonsense about this your GMO would not exist in principle
        1. Witch
          Witch 10 January 2014 09: 22
          +6
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          Did you know that there is even a genetically modified dihydrogen monoxide! And you know how much of such a compound you drink per day?
          You have to go away from the city, to the village and grow food yourself, and not surf the Internet!
          After all, if at least someone understood a little in biology, half of the nonsense about this your GMO would not exist in principle


          5 points

          Dihydrogen monoxide is a scientific joke, a hoax that uses the unfamiliar name of water (“dihydrogen monoxide”) and a description of its negative properties for humans in an attempt to convince the public of the need for careful regulation or even a complete ban on the use of this substance. The joke is intended to illustrate how a lack of scientific knowledge and biased analysis can lead to panic
          1. Kolya
            Kolya 10 January 2014 22: 24
            0
            Panic in this context can be seen as a defensive reaction of the population to danger. Thousands of new xenobiotic substances are produced in the world every year. Russia inherited from the West the principle of regulation based on "what is not proven, what is harmful, is allowed," earlier we were guided by the principle "what is proven that is not harmful is allowed." As a result, we have: manufacturers give out new xenobiotics and the same GMOs "on the mountain", making a profit from sales, but to counteract this fall on public money, which is always not enough. It turns out that the health of the population loses in the fight against business interests. Panic should be fought with clarification and transparent regulation, and not mock at the population, which should not be experts in all areas. And what about your "5 points" for a "scientific joke", then decent scientists are obliged to use their knowledge for the good of people, and not for manipulating people. In the eyes of experts, such jokes look like a sign of smug, arrogant amateurs.
          2. lelyk72
            lelyk72 14 January 2014 14: 59
            0
            Alex_Popovson
            Witch
            Both of you are 5+.
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        3. zvereok
          zvereok 10 January 2014 09: 49
          0
          Do you know that tap water in some cities can only be washed?
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 10 January 2014 13: 06
            -2
            Quote: zvereok
            Do you know that tap water in some cities can only be washed?


            And you know that everyone knows that.
            Do you know what the other way?
            And you know that there is such crap as home water delivery.
            Do you know that you can live outside the city, and go to work?
            I am sure you know.
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 10 January 2014 14: 23
              +1
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              Do you know what the other way?


              Is it anyhow? Refinery to upgrade, change pipes? At least instead of a sports complex, which was built and officially opened before the elections to the State Duma. And de facto, for the people, they pompously opened it before the presidential election.

              Water also seems to be health, even more so than a sports complex.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 10 January 2014 15: 10
                0
                Quote: zvereok
                Refineries to upgrade, change pipes

                Dear, do you even have a little idea of ​​how much it costs to dig 100 meters of soil in the middle lane to a depth of 3 meters, remove old pipes, dispose of, lay down new ones, connect to the system, bury, tamp, asphalt?
                By the way, in which city do you propose to do all this? If in all of Russia, then where do you propose taking funds? One sports complex for a couple of blocks is probably enough.
                And in addition to cold water supply, there is hot water, heating, gas pipelines and a lot of "wires".
                He witnessed the replacement of the aqueduct laid by the British. In the USSR, the technology of connecting cast iron pipes, which had been lying for about 60 years, was lost. Replaced by steel. Not about that. An announcement was made in the newspapers that all organizations should bring their underground railways back to normal. Permission to opening of the coating will be given no earlier than in 20 years. So, what is next? All over again? Nonsense!
                1. zvereok
                  zvereok 10 January 2014 16: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Dear, do you even have a little idea of ​​how much it costs to dig 100 meters of soil in the middle lane to a depth of 3 meters, remove old pipes, dispose of, lay down new ones, connect to the system, bury, tamp, asphalt?


                  So what? Do nothing, wait until the breakthrough? There is a planned replacement, well, or depreciation. Money is probably allocated.

                  By the way, how many quarters in St. Petersburg, for example, could be updated at the Gazprom Stadium?

                  An announcement was made in the newspapers that all organizations should bring their underground railways back to normal. Permission to open the coating will be given no earlier than in 20 years. So, what is next? All over again? Nonsense!


                  This means that the sewage treatment plant is updated. About Peter they wrote that a couple of years after laying the pipes began to burst.

                  And the city of Pushkino MO, in the area where I worked, is disgusting. In other areas, local - where they say.
                2. Kahlan amnell
                  Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 04: 24
                  +1
                  So you need to put personal water filters in the kitchen. I don’t know where, but in large cities it’s already vital, vital need!
              2. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 10 January 2014 16: 17
                -1
                Quote: zvereok
                Is it anyhow? Refinery to upgrade, change pipes?


                The larger the city, the worse the water. In China, in general, it circulates without stopping from the tank to the sewer, then to the treatment plant, then back to the tap.

                If you live in a city, then you need to get used to the fact that the tap water is for swimming, not for drinking. For it is technically impossible to supply the millionaire with clean drinking water. The maximum is water, which after boiling is suitable for consumption. And even with a good source of fresh water.

                Quote: zvereok
                Water also seems to be health, even more so than a sports complex.

                At the cost of sports complexes, and even at the cost of all sports facilities built over the past 5 years, it is impossible to change and build sewers and sewage treatment plants so that spring water, or at least relatively free of bleach, is poured from the tap. In a single millionaire.
                1. zvereok
                  zvereok 10 January 2014 19: 36
                  0
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  At the cost of sports complexes, and even at the cost of all sports facilities built over the past 5 years, it is impossible to change and build sewers and sewage treatment plants so that spring water, or at least relatively free of bleach, is poured from the tap. In a single millionaire.


                  It turns out that this is due to the fact that they gave birth to a lot of things that are impossible to get to children's doctors, and not from the fact that there is nothing to do with medicine in the country.

                  Dirty water comes out from the tap due to too many people, and if you don't like it, to China. In China, by the way, 4 billion people and most of them on the coast
                  lives.

                  By the way, the city I cited as an example by the number of inhabitants is thousand 140. And since in many cities only housing is being built, not kindergartens and schools. And it seems that the government has nothing to do with it, right? They gave birth to boughs, slurp from the drain barrel ...
                2. Mature naturalist
                  Mature naturalist 11 January 2014 18: 23
                  0
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  For it is technically impossible to supply the millionaire with clean drinking water.

                  Brad!
                  A 12-millionaire (or 20 with suburbs) - Moscow - is possible. Drinking water in Moscow and its quality is higher than that of bottled.
        4. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 10 January 2014 13: 05
          0
          Why they didn’t turn it over, they turned it over - recently in Russia cultivation of GMOs is allowed.


          That's just the law you did not finish to the end. GMOs can be cultivated within the boundaries of laboratory research and in special fields. And this has nothing to do with the Union of Artists of the Russian Federation, at least for now.

          I AM AGAINST GMO!
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 10 January 2014 14: 29
            0
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            That's just the law you did not finish to the end. GMOs can be cultivated within the boundaries of laboratory research and in special fields. And this has nothing to do with the Union of Artists of the Russian Federation, at least for now.


            The process of registering seeds. After that, you can sow in the fields. Well, I at least understand that. The registration process will take about 2 years.
      2. Elizabeth
        10 January 2014 18: 43
        +2
        It's time we put up with slaves and earn loot for our owners. The bad thing is that our owners are not free either, and they give most of the money to their employers.

        Did you try to raise your head? And live with your brains? And who are we slaves? And we are not slaves!
    4. xorgi
      xorgi 10 January 2014 16: 47
      0
      makarov
      "The author overlooked GMO products and their derivatives. In my opinion, this is a time bomb on the gene pool of the nation."
      Nonsense! Every day you consume dozens of different living things, that no one has green skin from cabbage, cow horns and fish scales. Add to this the thousands of species of fungi, bacteria, protozoa and so on and so forth that you consume from air, water and from the surface of food (even sterile), plus your natural microflora. Summarize all this and understand that the danger of GMOs to the gene pool is nothing more than a horror story.
    5. Elizabeth
      10 January 2014 18: 38
      +1
      The author has lost sight of GMO products and their derivatives. In my opinion, this is a time bomb on the nation’s gene pool.

      The theme of GMOs is beyond the scope of this article. I do not argue, the topic of GMOs is important and worthy of discussion. The article proposes to discuss the human right to life from conception to birth, and the possibilities to ensure this right. If you have information on how exactly GMOs affect this particular stage of a person’s life, share it. There are many white spots in dark affairs and technology.
    6. Christian
      Christian 10 January 2014 19: 44
      +3
      Enemies of the Russian people in power ... what can you do? The revival of the people is not in their interests.
      1. Elizabeth
        10 January 2014 22: 47
        0
        Christian
        Enemies of the Russian people in power ... what can you do? The revival of the people is not in their interests.

        Not everyone who is in power is the enemy of the people! This is at least a call, if not to overthrow the system, then to express distrust of the existing government.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 10 January 2014 08: 09
    +6
    I am categorically against abortion (except when a woman wears a dead fetus). Or when there was a fact of rape.
    Unfortunately, ABORTION is a social and moral problem.
    A lot of cases when women are in a difficult financial and housing situation go for an abortion.
    And at the same time, I ask myself the question whether the LAWS OF NATURE do not apply to them, because when they kill their child, they kill themselves and their future (I’m not talking about a child whom they do not ask before they conceive the grief for their parents).
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 10 January 2014 09: 32
      -1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      A lot of cases when women are in a difficult financial and housing situation go for an abortion.
      And at the same time, I ask myself the question whether the LAWS OF NATURE do not apply to them, because when they kill their child, they kill themselves and their future (I’m not talking about a child whom they do not ask before they conceive the grief for their parents).


      I am against Abortion, but I perfectly understand some of the women who go for it - rent from 6 tr., Clothes, food, etc. on yourself, if you deny yourself everything and eat like a deputy with a "grocery basket" 4500, and a child 2000 (on average, three years per month, taking into account the dairy cuisine). By the way, the deputy who set up an experiment living eating according to a grocery basket seems to have undermined his health.

      We will dress in a ragged 1000 p. in month per person.

      We do not take inflation into account.

      There is much more, for example, that we don’t have a nursery, so we’ll have to live on the allowance.

      Or, for example, sick leave is paid for some time from the salary (thanks to Putin for this), and he can be in the state offices 6 thousand rubles, but not in the state. offices look at the sickly and most likely ask.

      So, in many cases, you cannot give birth to a single woman, if only then immediately abandon the child.
      1. washi
        washi 10 January 2014 11: 24
        -5
        Quote: zvereok
        So, in many cases, you cannot give birth to a single woman, if only then immediately abandon the child.

        Not what the fuck. And you won’t be lonely and pregnant
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 10 January 2014 14: 31
          0
          All sorts of situations happen. And not only women are to blame for them.
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      4. Elizabeth
        10 January 2014 19: 18
        +2
        zvereok
        So, in many cases, you cannot give birth to a single woman, if only then immediately abandon the child.

        What only we do not have! There are no products as in the deputy's basket, there are no clothes like pop stars, no nurseries, no apartments, no benefits. Not only a single woman does not have all this. So in our country, in principle, no one except deputies and "stars" can give birth. Yes, and the stars do not want to give birth or can. They need to "promote" new technologies - IVF, surrogate motherhood. And you, comrade "Lieutenant-General", have been instructed to chatter the topic. It turns out! Congratulations!
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 10 January 2014 22: 42
          -2
          Quote: Elizabeth
          zvereok
          So, in many cases, you cannot give birth to a single woman, if only then immediately abandon the child.

          What only we do not have! There are no products as in the deputy's basket, there are no clothes like pop stars, no nurseries, no apartments, no benefits. Not only a single woman does not have all this. So in our country, in principle, no one except deputies and "stars" can give birth. Yes, and the stars do not want to give birth or can. They need to "promote" new technologies - IVF, surrogate motherhood. And you, comrade "Lieutenant-General", have been instructed to chatter the topic. It turns out! Congratulations!


          In principle, I will be against abortion, and I will try to prevent it in my family. But at the same time I can understand the person who is forced to do it.

          I also understand people doing IVF. My wife has a childhood friend who could not just get pregnant just at the second IVF, she managed to give birth to a healthy baby (the first IVF miscarriage). She just wanted to give birth, despite the fact that her husband took from the first wife who died from cancer the 10 year old boy a year before that, and financially helps another child who has already been wed in marriage.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 10 January 2014 09: 43
      0
      And what was the fault of the child who was conceived from a rapist? I understand that it is very difficult for a woman. But if we put the primacy of life, then we must already go to the end.

      In general, the issue of abortion is very slippery. And, unfortunately, one cannot do without them. Since there is an abortion according to indications. Another thing is that for an abortion without medical indications it is necessary to plant. And the one who did it and the one who did it.

      But the issues of contraception, and especially hormonal ones, were hurt in vain.
      Probably, the dear Elizabeth was never a young girl and did not fall madly in love. And she did not want intimacy with the object of her adoration. Otherwise, she would have remembered that NO restraining centers are operating at all in this version. Hormones, damn it, you can't do anything with them. In this case, even the condom is "extra". At the same time, not all "playboys" after the "night of love" may wish to tie the knot and the obligations of their father. And so, in order not to make a single mother and not push her to the crime of abortion, it is just necessary to develop means of contraception that are safe for the body. In general, this part of the article reminds me of the groans of the "soldier's mother" who never had children of her own and who generally cannot bear children. But he struggles with the system.
      There is also such a topic as "family planning". Excuse me, Elizabeth. But even a husband and wife sometimes want to make love. And the result of this may well be a state of pregnancy. I understand. He himself has three children. But NOW I still want sometimes :) (and one more child too). But one must take into account the financial possibilities for raising such a number of children. Therefore, contraception is also very important in family planning. And it does not prevent people from having as many children as they need.

      Also, I do not understand what the IVF was guilty of. In fact, completely strange statistics are given. All the people I know who used IVF have no problems with children. Another thing is that, unfortunately, the IVF procedure does not give 100% confidence that it will be possible to bear and give birth to a child. But from the second time, usually everyone already succeeds, and from the third ... So we must not prohibit IVF, but rather improve it, bring it closer to the 100% result. And of course, reduce the cost. One hundred thousand for an un guaranteed pregnancy is too much. But if a person has infertility, then he has no other option than IVF.
      Just don't talk about orphans in orphanages. Most of our orphans live in orphanages with living parents. And if I take a child from the orphanage, then until he comes of age there will be a domoklav sword hanging over us that the drunk mother will be able to restore her rights through the court and take away her beloved little man. Moreover, she will not even need him. It will just blackmail it. However, not everything is smooth with orphans either. Who knows what genes he has. A lot depends on upbringing, but ... genes, there are genes. And it's not a fact that in an orphanage everyone who suffers from infertility will be able to find a child. And, of course, how "simple" the adoption procedure is, when going through all the circles of hell of our bureaucracy, it is easier for some to bear and give birth to two of their children than to take one child from an orphanage. After all, it is only in America that children are easily given for slaughter and corruption in our country, because for the interest of officials. But its citizens, it is not so easy to become adoptive parents.

      So let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Abortion is a crime. But contraception is a help to a civilized person to prevent this crime.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 11: 52
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        But even a husband and wife sometimes want to make love.

        There is such a joke An insane woman, this is the one who screams- Not at me, not at me. I hope the hint is clear.
        Quote: alicante11
        But contraception is a help to a civilized person to prevent this crime.

        Hormonal contraception - This is an evil that disrupts the body. The civilized person must prevent such crimes with the help of the product number 2. laughing
        1. Elizabeth
          10 January 2014 23: 22
          +2
          Ingvar 72 (1)
          A civilized person must prevent such crimes with the product number 2

          Product No. 2 is one of the main causes of mass abortions and sexually transmitted diseases. Product No. 2 is one of the greatest scams of the century! You should be aware of this!
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2014 07: 14
          0
          There is such a joke- An insane woman, this is one that screams- Not at me, not at me. I hope the hint is clear.


          Uh-huh, and why the heck is it necessary? Instead of thinking about how to give pleasure, thinking about how to "leave no consequences"? So you can go to a prostitute. Plus, this method is not one hundred percent. Not at all.

          Hormonal contraception - This is an evil that disrupts the body. A civilized person must prevent such crimes with the product number 2. laughing


          In order not to harm the body, you need to carefully understand this topic. Those times when hormonal contraception was harmful in the past. Unless, of course, you use cheap surrogates. Experience in this regard is not small.
      2. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 10 January 2014 12: 11
        +3
        It is simply amazing what tricks some do not go to justify their own licentiousness.
        And the truth is, when everyone around them is doing this, and most imperceptibly. One curve wants to knock everyone over the eye to be like everyone else.
        Hormonal contraception is the cudgel of a terrible abortion. It hits both the woman and the unborn children. On them even more truly and more painfully. And beats to death.
        The body of a woman as a symphony orchestra. Each instrument leads its own part and together give birth to Music. And the hormonal contraceptive breaks all this harmony because it plays both the wrong and the wrong way.

        You are an obscure man, Alik Kantor. Say like the right thing but only alert your words. Some kind of catch is felt ...
        1. Elizabeth
          10 January 2014 23: 51
          +3
          Kahlan amnell
          The body of a woman as a symphony orchestra. Each instrument leads its own part and together give birth to Music. And the hormonal contraceptive breaks all this harmony because it plays both the wrong and the wrong way.


          It's so good that there are those who hear and understand music! Indeed, the melodies of the female body are beautiful! Especially in a gentle and tactful accompaniment of male chords! Behind the roar of explosions, behind the cries of "pop music", behind the speeches of hired talkers, wonderful symphonies sound. Few people know the chief conductor of the symphony orchestra, the director of the philharmonic society and the author of the symphony. But everyone, if desired, can get to know them.
          Hormonal contraception is the cudgel of a terrible abortion. It hits both the woman and the unborn children. On them even more truly and more painfully. And beats to death.

          That is why she, this baton, will receive mass distribution, possibly forced, after the ban on surgical abortion. If abortion is prohibited, then only, like any means that interrupt a person's life at all stages from 0 to birth. With the advent of the "pill for children" in 1960, many European countries, as well as the United States, were forced to legalize abortion. Later, I had to accept all LGBT perversions as a social norm. The shift in hormonal levels in mothers led to a shift in the brains of the offspring. Someone needs it!
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 04: 56
            +3
            As it is rightly said: “The shift in the hormonal background in mothers led to a shift in the brains of the offspring. Someone needs it!"
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2014 07: 28
            0
            That is why she, this baton, will receive mass distribution, possibly forced, after the ban on surgical abortion. If abortion is prohibited, then only, like any means that interrupt a person's life at all stages from 0 to birth. With the advent of the "pill for children" in 1960, many European countries, as well as the United States, were forced to legalize abortion. Later, I had to accept all LGBT perversions as a social norm. The shift in hormonal levels in mothers led to a shift in the brains of the offspring. Someone needs it!


            Um, you may not have understood my point. I am talking about contraception, which prevents pregnancy, and does not interrupt.
            But the brain shift in the offspring was not led by a shift in hormonal levels, but by a shift in propaganda. The French and Germans, out there, are still massively trying to resist. not all fooled. Or do you think that the mass demonstrations in France against LGBT people were organized by those born of women who did not use hormonal anal contraception?
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2014 07: 21
          0
          You are an obscure man, Alik Kantor. Say like the right thing but only alert your words. Some kind of catch is felt ...


          Yes, there is no catch. I just try to always be honest, and first of all, in front of myself. If I scold children for something, then I remember if he himself had sinned in childhood. And I remember myself in my youth during puberty and in my youth. And, taking this into account, I believe that puritanism and hypocrisy are violence against human nature no less, if not more, than hormonal contraception.

          In general, the best contraception is a couple of children with a year and a half interval. Because after a whole day of fussing with them and between night awakenings, I somehow do not want anything for a long time :). And the sooner this tool is used, the better for the whole family.
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 10 January 2014 15: 22
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        And what was the fault of the child who was conceived from a rapist?

        Personally, I understand if these words are said by a person who has adopted and raised at least one child!
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2014 07: 32
          0
          And what is not clear to you without the conditions you specified? Why do we cry over children torn by militants in Libya and Syria, and we do not ask from whom they were born. But we will not shed a tear over the torn remains of a little man, who was pulled out of his refuge and ruthlessly destroyed?
      4. kaktus
        kaktus 10 January 2014 17: 02
        0
        "At what and the one who did it and the one to whom it was done." wassat Corral women in the special. institutions, men allowed there according to the schedule, well, further continuous dystopia.
      5. Elizabeth
        10 January 2014 22: 37
        +4
        alicante So let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Abortion is a crime. But contraception is a help to a civilized person to prevent this crime.

        Let's not confuse civilization with sewerage! The set of arguments is typically "Troll". But for those who are interested in brief information on the topic of the issue: until the 20s of the XX century, contraceptives were used only in extramarital affairs by women of easy virtue and men who are unable to control their lust, and in whom such women did not arouse disgust ... For all other people living in a legal marriage, "protection" was the height of indecency. By the end of the 80th century, it became apparent to educated people that contraceptives simply did not exist. ("kefir", "narzan", "sleep alone" do not count, these means exclude sexual intercourse). The means that are offered today as contraceptives are either abortive or ineffective. It is their ineffectiveness, combined with the myth of "safe sex", that is the cause of mass abortions. Both are harmful to physical and mental health, both women and men, and their children, and those children who have already had time to be born to them. For educated family people, it is quite enough to know the rules of rhythmic abstinence and use these simple rules to conceive a child naturally, even for XNUMX% of couples diagnosed with infertility. You can postpone conception until the spouses are ready to take responsibility for the next offspring. For casual relationships, this is not appropriate. To use rhythmic abstinence, you need a lot (not "bubble", in which many see either a problem or a solution to problems), but reason, will, responsibility, discipline, respect and, of course, mutual love, without which everything is nothing. All this is given free of charge, regardless of the social system and the Constitution. The Constitution is the attitude of the Russian State to its present and future. But not everyone is able to look ahead and see the perspective. Someone is closer to sewage. To each his own!
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 05: 04
          +3
          For educated family people, it is quite enough to know the rules of rhythmic abstinence and use these simple rules to conceive a child naturally, even for 80% of couples diagnosed with infertility. You can postpone conception until the spouses are ready to take responsibility for the next offspring.

          How true it is said! My husband and I did not know anything, but, apparently, intuitively, we did so. We have three sons and a daughter. Healthy. Already with their families. Now the grandchildren are on their way. So there will be more joy in our family !!!
          1. Elizabeth
            11 January 2014 19: 47
            0
            Kahlan Amnell So the joys in our family will still increase !!!

            This is a joy not only for your family, but also for the Russian State!
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2014 08: 14
          0
          The set of arguments is typically "Troll".


          What's interesting about "troll"?

          The contraceptive products that are offered today are either abortive or ineffective.


          What are you? And my first wife did not know this for 6 years. And I used them to the fullest and never even "flew". What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Until the XX century ... And until the 15th century, they burned at the stake for "witchcraft" and for the thought that the earth was round and tortured in the Inquisition. If we say so, then let's give up mobile phones, computers, cars, move to caves and walk in the skins of mammoths, which we will kill with stone axes.

          For educated family people, it is quite enough to know the rules of rhythmic abstinence and use these simple rules to conceive a child naturally, even for 80% of couples diagnosed with infertility.


          Not strong in your female, and in scientific terminology, somehow, more practices. Rhythmic abstinence, as I understand it, is making love on a calendar? Absolutely not guaranteed result. But for some reason you also indicated that this allows you to conceive even for the infertile. Does that mean ovulation tracking? Just these methods, they allow you to increase or decrease the PROBABILITY. But there is no way to solve the problem of infertility and contraception.
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    4. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 10 January 2014 14: 45
      -3
      About the "laws of nature". I do not pretend to be absolutely clear, but I know that in the animal kingdom, females sometimes eat their children, knowing that they will not be able to feed them, go out.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 10 January 2014 15: 09
        +2
        "I know that in the animal kingdom, females sometimes eat their children, knowing that they will not be able to feed them, go out."

        then in the animal kingdom, then FEMALE, and even then not in all animal species.
        and do not lower women to the level of a female social animal.
        here the problem is not a social one, but a moral one, after all. and if morality is bad in society, then and only then do the socio-biological aspects of man come to the fore.
        1. Lapotnik
          Lapotnik 14 January 2014 11: 08
          0
          Is man not social by nature? You are trying to separate morality from society. Perhaps you will also try to consider politics separately from economics? If society is stuffed with low-quality morality, it is corrupted, then the morality and attitude to life of the "human female" will be appropriate. And the denial of abortion only because of the lack of "high culture and morality" is pure snobbery.

          Again, the pluses are narrow-minded. It seems that each individually is normal, but how to combine it like that ..

          Minus - you at least decide, here you prohibit abortion. Suddenly and immediately. So what? With the current level of morality in our society, will there be so many newborn babies in the trash? Or the same illegal abortion?

          The problem needs to be solved not at the ban level - drug addicts are also prohibited, so what? It is necessary to create conditions of moral, material, medical growth in order for society to heal.

          Not all prohibitive measures are good.
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    5. Elizabeth
      10 January 2014 19: 02
      +1
      I am categorically against abortion (except when a woman wears a dead fetus). Or when there was a fact of rape.
      Unfortunately, ABORTION is a social and moral problem.
      A lot of cases when women are in a difficult financial and housing situation go for an abortion.
      And at the same time, I ask myself the question whether the LAWS OF NATURE do not apply to them, because when they kill their child, they kill themselves and their future (I’m not talking about a child whom they do not ask before they conceive the grief for their parents).

      Bravo! First comment on the topic of the article. This means that the topic is worth to be blabbed with talk about GMOs, clean water, the harm of cell phones, the causes of cancer and other really pressing problems. About anything, but not about the "sacred cow" mentioned in the article, which talks about how to combine the laws of nature with the laws of the state. Until they are friends. The proposed way to combine these laws is perhaps not the best, perhaps not realistic in our conditions. But something needs to be done! And not just shout "Fire! Fire!"
      zvereok "It's time to reconcile, we are slaves and earn money for our masters"

      But "we" who are "not slaves" can do something?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 January 2014 08: 17
        0
        And who cares what chatter? In my opinion, every second says that abortion is evil. This is a no brainer. Just a provocative article. Against the backdrop of the ban on abortion, which every normal person cannot but support, the author is also trying to push through a ban on IVF and contraception.
  3. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 January 2014 08: 11
    +2
    And may international organizations, the world community raise a cry about the strangling of democracy in Russia.

    Let howl all the enemies of Russia, the West and the "plague society" have been barking at Russia from time immemorial. In the country it is necessary to do what will benefit Russia, and not what will "satisfy" its enemies!
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 10 January 2014 08: 53
      +4
      I completely agree! The topic is very relevant. Modern medicine is becoming more and more like a ghoul. By protecting the rights of the child, we will protect the right of the peoples of Russia to a decent life. Family should be at the center of family policy. Family policy of the state should be built in such a way that people would like to create and maintain a family, as well as give birth and raise children.
      All the pride of the world from mothers. Without the sun, flowers cannot bloom, without love there is no happiness, without women there is no love, without a mother there is neither a poet nor a hero! M. Gorky. That's what you need to teach at school, not Solzhenitsyn.
  4. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 10 January 2014 08: 18
    +1
    Nothing ... God will look, see what his creations do with himself in search of options for self-destruction, and he will help us in his own ways, more humane. So much so that he will then have to scent his turnip and pray for salvation. If now there are no brains. request
  5. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 10 January 2014 08: 18
    +3
    In the minds of FUTURE MOTHERS, changes must be made firstrather than context"Basic Law of the Russian Federation".
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 10 January 2014 08: 57
      +4
      Not only mothers, but also fathers! until budding it has not yet reached.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 10 January 2014 09: 50
        +2
        By the way, yes. Young people must be prepared for childbearing and made so that she wants it.

        But what about "consumerism"? First discos, dresses, trinkets, parties with boys and girlfriends at night, then study and continuation of the "banquet". Then work, career. And then you want a fur coat, an apartment, a car, and then a cooler fur coat, a cottage, a jeep. And there is no time for a child ... Yes, our oligarchs would rather strangle themselves than let the young generation turn away from consumerism. It is easier to change the constitution, not so expensive for the masters of life. No sonny, this is fantastic (s).
        1. washi
          washi 10 January 2014 11: 53
          +2
          Quote: alicante11
          By the way, yes. Young people must be prepared for childbearing and made so that she wants it.
          But what about "consumerism"? First discos, dresses, trinkets, parties with boys and girlfriends at night, then study and continuation of the "banquet". Then work, career. And then you want a fur coat, an apartment, a car, and then a cooler fur coat, a cottage, a jeep. And there is no time for a child ... Yes, our oligarchs would rather strangle themselves than let the young generation turn away from consumerism. It is easier to change the constitution, not so expensive for the masters of life. No sonny, this is fantastic (s).

          Parenting, upbringing and once again upbringing (let VIL forgive me for a little modified quoting). Start with yours. Then pull up their acquaintances, etc. Criticizing is easy. It’s hard to work, especially with small, but people.
          Under Soviet rule (especially in temporary detention facilities), much attention was paid to the education of young people. Now we need to rely only on the family.
          I understand that you need to earn a living (capitalism), but time should always be allocated for children. These children then become officials, military, policemen. And it is their parents who miss them and then complain about the authorities.
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 10 January 2014 12: 20
            +1
            I understand that you need to earn a living (capitalism), but time should always be allocated for children. These children then become officials, military, policemen. And it is their parents who miss them and then complain about the authorities.

            That's right. Children is our future. And how this future will be depends on how and how we raise our children.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2014 06: 55
            0
            Well, I'm calm about my people. We are all almost according to "Domostroi" :).
            I'm talking about trends. And if the propaganda of consumerism is centralized, then actions "on the ground" cannot reverse the situation. Unless just go to the taiga. Fortunately, and not far away.
    2. Elizabeth
      11 January 2014 00: 21
      +1
      In the heads of FUTURE MOTHERS it is necessary to make changes first of all, and not in the context of the "Basic Law of the Russian Federation".

      One does not exclude the other. And you wouldn’t forget about the heads of fathers
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 05: 13
        0
        Yes, yes, this is very important - the contents of the minds of fathers! Maybe more important than mothers.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 January 2014 08: 25
    +8
    from the Don.
    The attitude of the state towards mother and child is subject to change! Remember how it was in the USSR!
  7. Asgard
    Asgard 10 January 2014 08: 26
    +3
    Elizabeth correctly listed ALL ENEMIES OF RUSSIAN PEOPLE ....
    This is the Administration of the President of the State Duma, which is a "printer" and does not decide anything, but only "approves", parliamentary committees, they always squat - "KU", state security and policemen who catch only Russians and their sympathizers)))) catchers of "human souls "-finally mired in Satanism ...... the media and TV sing" assanas "))))
    As you can see, the top of society consists entirely of fecal masses ...

    Bright "diamonds"at the top is the" patriot of Russia " hope of the nation, married a second time, “elected” for the third time and raised the country “from its knees” and allowed GMOs on our tables, abolished GOSTs for food, approved the education system and constantly reforming the Army, Agriculture, industry and creating jobs for migrants alien in mentality ...

    Which, when the 20th anniversary of the Constitution will be forgotten a little, will change it ....
    I think that with a probability of 100% of the changes proposed by CITIZEN Kameneva - will not be there.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 10 January 2014 08: 57
      -2
      And all this one ... here heaped something ... wassat Probably Zyuganov with Zhirinovsky and Prokhorov will be able to change everything (if Navalny will be with them ..). repeat
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo 10 January 2014 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Valery Neonov
        And all this one ... here heaped something ...

        Well, why one ....... he assembled an appropriate team, advisers, governors, ministers, .... one of which is worth Medvedev!
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 10 January 2014 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: Asgard
      GMOs at our tables, having abolished GOSTs for products, having approved the education system and constantly reforming the Army, Agriculture, industry and creating jobs for migrants alien to the mentality ...


      The most interesting thing is that ALL of this is already taken for granted. I would not be surprised that, citing Western experience, at some point they legalize prostitution.

      I wonder if there is any serious and objective, regularly updated list of claims to the authorities? She herself does not admit mistakes, she has continuous "effective managers" everywhere. And the people have a short memory.
  8. Orik
    Orik 10 January 2014 08: 27
    +6
    It is worth adding to this vaccination for girls with Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines against cervical cancer, which cause infertility. http://www.rifinfo.ru/news/20789/
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 12: 00
      +4
      Quote: Orik
      vaccinations for girls with Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines for cervical cancer

      Malysheva in her program once claimed that for full effectiveness, these vaccinations should be given to boys. paid. It's time to step on the throat of pharmaceutical corporations.am
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 10 January 2014 22: 57
        +2
        By the way, I noticed that, after all, having rebuilt his wife in the right order - "Pills and medications should be taken only in really problematic cases," the child began to get sick (pah-pah-pah) less. Although, perhaps this immunity has developed with age. But before I was ill after a week or two, and despite the medication for a couple of weeks. Now, we drink a maximum of cough syrup rub for 60-80 illness, if we take 3 days on time.

        Different complexes of bifidobacteria were also not effective. Although after them for about a month they were not sick, then again they began.

        Inhalations with ambrobene and berodual were good, but only the first half year of use, then no longer.

        They tried not to give antibiotics at all, the only time they gave them to the hospital because of stupidity, so there the child got into an infection and really almost died (((...
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 05: 19
          +2
          Still, we must understand that our medicine is symptomatic. It does not cure the cause of the disease, but its symptoms. It’s the same as turning off the fire alarm, instead of putting out the fire.
          Disease is the body's "SOS" signal, and modern medicine suppresses it, drives it deeper, instead of eliminating the cause of anxiety.
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  9. valokordin
    valokordin 10 January 2014 08: 36
    +3
    Elizabeth agrees abortion is prohibited. For women who do not need a child, create conditions for carrying the child, and after giving birth in case of abandonment, provide the conditions for raising the child. Women who left a child in the family should create all conditions for upbringing, including work for the husband with the appropriate salary.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 10 January 2014 09: 53
      +4
      Yeah, dreaming ... And what kind of shis Abramovich build a new yacht? Some sheikh had already overtaken his old one ...
      Yes, and we will give birth to children for ourselves, and not for the state, to be honest ... If only they wouldn’t interfere, you’ll get help from the figs.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 10 January 2014 15: 13
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      For women who do not need a baby, create conditions for the baby to be full, and after giving birth

      Have you worn and given birth? Then what right do you have to condemn a woman for abandoning an unwanted pregnancy?
      Guys, AU !!! Are you going to tell a woman what she can and what cannot? But does it not seem to all of you that this is not accessible to those who simply do not understand the subject of discussion?
      Beer belly - it’s not even close to being pregnant! Leave women's questions to women!
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 10 January 2014 23: 04
        0
        Quote: IRBIS
        Have you worn and given birth? Then what right do you have to condemn a woman for abandoning an unwanted pregnancy?
        Guys, AU !!! Are you going to tell a woman what she can and what cannot? But does it not seem to all of you that this is not accessible to those who simply do not understand the subject of discussion?
        Beer belly - it’s not even close to being pregnant!


        Here at least you also need to ask your husband.

        Leave women's questions to women!


        To get up to the child at night, when you need to get to work at 4.30, and come from her to 9.00-10.00 is this a female question (doesn’t she get enough sleep)? My wife sinned in the first place, now it seems that selfishness shortened her. Yes, and changed work.
      2. Elizabeth
        11 January 2014 00: 29
        0
        Beer belly - it’s not even close to being pregnant! Leave women's questions to women!

        That's why the "beer belly". Not so much from beer as from unwillingness to be a man, that is, to protect the weak and take responsibility for yourself.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 11 January 2014 10: 19
          0
          Quote: Elizabeth
          Not so much from beer as from unwillingness to be a man, that is, protect the weak and take responsibility.

          Here I am about it! "+" !!!
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2014 07: 06
          0
          And who, excuse me, to protect? Bazaar women, who, with a brown rod, stick their belly forward out of turn and swear at all so that the ears of the railway workers turn into a tube? Or business people who spit on you from Lexus? Or upskirts looking for a cool daddy with a long wallet? And normal women and girls are less and less. Like, by the way, and our normal brother. Even the years of 50 of capitalism can even be written in the Red Book, as in Geyrop.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 12 January 2014 06: 59
        0
        Have you worn and given birth? Then what right do you have to condemn a woman for abandoning an unwanted pregnancy?
        Guys, AU !!! Are you going to tell a woman what she can and what cannot? But does it not seem to all of you that this is not accessible to those who simply do not understand the subject of discussion?
        Beer belly - it’s not even close to being pregnant! Leave women's questions to women!


        If born a woman, then wear and give birth. For several thousand years they have been carrying and giving birth, having several children, without maternity hospitals and without anesthesia. And without maternity benefits. And then, you see, it became hard for them. You need to think not only about yourself simply.
  10. Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 10 January 2014 08: 37
    +3
    Changing legislation on the issue the author points to will not change anything. In Russia, people die for many reasons - adults and children, the elderly and young people. And nobody really scratches it. One more category of citizens will be added - embryos. So what? Authorities will probably, or may not, keep statistics on the deaths of unborn citizens. Although the statistics of abortion and so on. The indifference of power is obvious, the indifference of citizens ...
  11. Enjoy
    Enjoy 10 January 2014 08: 46
    +6
    Of course, I have a very bad attitude towards abortions that are not motivated by medical indicators, or rape. This evil must be fought like alcoholism, but these lines

    So, according to officially not proven, but accurate scientific and practical information obtained from different clinics of the world, from 100 children conceived with IVF, only 5 survives before birth. Of 100 children born through IVF, 70 are disabled. There is no reliable information about the childbearing ability of those who lived to childbearing age. Most families who survive this abuse of human nature are falling apart. There are no official statistics on these technologies, nor will there be. Reason: money and birth control.


    complete nonsense! In our small regional center, a friend of my parents works in a medical center dealing with IVF.
    At first, no 70% of people with disabilities are there at all. No and 7%. Not to mention the 95% mortality rate of embryos.
    Secondly, the author writes as a tantrum about the consequences for marriage. The long-awaited children made happy and bonded hundreds of families only in our region.
    Thirdlyit does for free!

    She probably also wants to ban all baby food at the same time? And that, too, abuse of nature ... Families fall apart, 70% of people with disabilities, 95% do not survive to birth. Just to catch the horror. And because of this nonsense, reasonable words about abortion are lost in an illiterate hysteria.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 09: 02
      0
      True, it’s interesting, does the author really think so or is the article created to support a certain Mizulina?
      I have not heard or read more nonsense about IVF or even in women's health magazines! No, of course IVF has a considerable amount of disadvantages, but WHERE does the "author" have such statistics, that's what's interesting? I also laughed very well at
      some types of prenatal diagnosis
      . I would like to know from the author, if it was not only published, but also going to read comments, what are these types of diagnostics ???
      Further, I cannot but agree that abortion should be prohibited. Take the same USSR. Sex didn’t seem to exist, but the USSR was in the lead in terms of the number of abortions, and sometimes even pulled out in first place.

      I am claiming that the article is either very greasy and inept trolling, or the author is a hysteric and fan of Mizulina
      1. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 10 January 2014 09: 45
        +1
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        I would like to know from the author, if it was not only published, but also going to read comments, what are these types of diagnostics ???

        I am not an author, but for reference:
        Perinatal diagnosis is a comprehensive prenatal diagnosis to detect pathology at the stage of intrauterine development. It allows to detect more than 98% of fruits with Down syndrome (trisomy 21); trisomy 18 (known as Edwards syndrome) about 99,9,%; trisomy 13 (Patau syndrome) about 99.9%, more than 40% of cardiac abnormalities, etc. If a fetus has a disease, parents carefully consider the possibilities of modern medicine and their own in terms of child rehabilitation with the help of a medical consultant. As a result, the family decides on the fate of the child and decides whether to continue bearing or terminate the pregnancy.
        The determination of paternity in early pregnancy, as well as the determination of the sex of the fetus, also refers to perinatal diagnosis.
        Methods of prenatal diagnosis:
        Parent lineage analysis
        Genetic analysis for parents
        Invasive methods of prenatal diagnosis
        Chorionic Biopsy
        Placentocentesis (Late Chorionic Biopsy)
        Amniocentesis (amniotic fluid withdrawal)
        Cordocentesis (umbilical cord blood sampling)
        Non-invasive methods of prenatal diagnosis
        Maternal Serum Factor Screening
        Ultrasound screening of the fetus, membranes and placenta
        Sorting (sequencing) of fetal cells
        Pink or Blue Test
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 11: 27
          0
          Thank you, I am a doctor and I rummage around a little. I'm just wondering which methods "should be prohibited".
          1. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 10 January 2014 14: 40
            +1
            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            I'm just wondering which methods "should be prohibited".

            You just built a little not clear ... :).
            Apparently, the author apparently meant to ban it altogether, so that there would be no medical indicators for abortion.
            1. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 15: 40
              -1
              Prohibit fetal diagnosis? Or maybe the processions around the maternity hospitals? No, this, Old Man is a terrible stupidity. Moreover, no diagnostic method can, in principle, do more harm than some disease already harms; Moreover, prenatal diagnostic methods have been developed to exclude harm for mother and foal.
              The "how" and "by whom" of this diagnostics is carried out is a completely different question and has nothing to do with the discussion.
              And by the way, read about the most complex and most invasive of the methods - a chorionic biopsy. Get to know the conditions and the essence of the procedure
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 10 January 2014 16: 34
                +1
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                And by the way, read about the most complex and most invasive of the methods - a chorionic biopsy.

                At one time he had "excellent" for the cycle of obstetrics and gynecology repeat
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      2. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 05: 26
        0
        But didn’t you try to ask Elizabeth herself before making a judgment? Oh, these arrogant men who think that they know everything and hang labels with extraordinary ease! ...
        But in fact from the excess of evil power butting a wall that does not exist.
    2. Witch
      Witch 10 January 2014 09: 20
      +4
      Quote: Enjoy
      Firstly, there are no mention of any 70% of disabled people there. No and 7%. Not to mention the 95% mortality rate of embryos. Secondly, the author writes like a hysteric about the consequences for marriage. The long-awaited children made happy and bonded hundreds of families only in our region. Thirdly, it does for free!


      In some ways, the author of the law - about the fact that the survival rate of embryos is small. According to official statistics - about a third take root. From my personal experience I’ll say that it turned out 9 times, my friend’s from the 8th.

      You are right that each couple has two free eco-friendly products now, but in Moscow there are wild lines, and the problem should be comprehensively addressed ...
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    4. alicante11
      alicante11 10 January 2014 09: 56
      +5
      Is free? This is interesting, but how much does it cost to pay for free IVF? I just had experience trying to solve this problem. But after we were voiced a number in 100tys of wood only for the process itself, not counting the observation, we somehow managed to make three children sharply :).
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 10 January 2014 15: 25
        0
        Respect and respect !!! good
      2. Witch
        Witch 10 January 2014 17: 01
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        Is free? This is interesting, but how much does it cost to pay for free IVF? I just had experience trying to solve this problem. But after we were voiced a number in 100tys of wood only for the process itself, not counting the observation, we somehow managed to make three children sharply :).


        I don’t know ... We could not even collect the necessary set of documents. As a result, it was easier to sell the apartment. In addition, consider advertising if you want, but the best reproduction clinics in Russia are now in St. Petersburg. Before Peter, my wife and I tried in 3 Moscow clinics - the process is on stream, people do not particularly bother the patient ...
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    5. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 12: 06
      +3
      Quote: Enjoy
      Thirdly, it does for free!

      From this moment in more detail. Where do you say IVFs do for free? One replanting 30000r. worth, regardless of the result. fool And I agree with the author, if not given, do not anger God, it is better to adopt. hi
      1. Witch
        Witch 10 January 2014 17: 06
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Enjoy
        Thirdly, it does for free!

        From this moment in more detail. Where do you say IVFs do for free? One replanting 30000r. worth, regardless of the result. fool And I agree with the author, if not given, do not anger God, it is better to adopt. hi


        Have you seen those who are now in orphanages? If I’m tired of nursing the hopeless - my mother was 4 years old, the father was 3. Why shouldn’t I have, according to your logic, healthy children, and should adopt children with a bunch of problems of both social and medical nature?

        Moreover, according to the official statement of the Russian Orthodox Church IVF and ICSI, this is not a sin, only surrogacy is a sin ....
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 17: 47
          0
          Quote: Witch
          Why can't I, according to your logic, have healthy children, but should adopt children with a bunch of problems of both a social and medical nature?

          I understand you. This is a very subjective and personal tragedy of the family, and I want to find a compromise. I expressed my purely personal opinion. But this is my opinion. hi
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    6. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 10 January 2014 12: 26
      +3
      That's it - the most reliable source of information
      In our small regional center, a friend of my parents
      wassat
  12. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 10 January 2014 08: 54
    +4
    Those who go on abortions and those who do them do not give a damn about what is written in the Constitution.
    Even if abortion is prohibited and the Criminal Code is supplemented with a new article, abortions will still be criminal.
    It’s not the Constitution that needs to be changed, but real life.
    If children from birth see chernukha, porno and "beautiful adult sex life" on the screens, they will fuck from school.
    If girls and women, from childhood lazy consumers of pleasures, do not want to burden themselves with caring for children that interfere with having fun, they will not stop fucking, but they will not give birth.
    If the newlyweds do not have housing and there is no prospect of getting it, they will not stop fucking, but they will not start children.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 10 January 2014 09: 01
      +4
      Quote: Corsair5912
      If girls and women do not want to burden themselves with caring for children, they will not stop fucking, but they will not give birth.

      If guys and men do not want to burden themselves with taking care of children, they will not stop fucking, but they will not raise their (and even more adoptive) children.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 10 January 2014 09: 18
        +2
        Quote: kaktus
        If guys and men do not want to burden themselves with taking care of children, they will not stop fucking, but they will not raise their (and even more adoptive) children.

        Indisputable truth. Even in folk art is noted.
        Grandfather of porn has seen enough
        And he started fooling around
        Village old women
        Hiding in the closets.
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    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: Corsair5912
      abortions anyway will do, criminal.

      It is 15-20 that makes the term for illegal abortion years, and I'll see which doctor will do them. hi
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 10 January 2014 15: 27
        0
        Illegal, too, must be proven, or the "authorities" will not have other cases ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 17: 54
          0
          Quote: kaktus
          Illegality must also be proved

          A simple example is that in Uzbekistan, for any crime, they automatically add five years to the term, presidential. For example, two years for theft + 5 years. Do you think many cars are stolen there? Units. Fear will stop many, and exceptions cannot be avoided in any case.
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 10 January 2014 17: 52
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        It is 15-20 that makes the term for illegal abortion years, and I'll see which doctor will do them.

        The ban on abortion was in force in the USSR from 1936 to 1955 year, according to the decree of the CEC and SNK “On the prohibition of abortion, increasing material assistance to women in childbirth, establishing state aid for multi-family workers, expanding the network of maternity hospitals, day nurseries and kindergartens, increasing criminal penalties for non-payment of alimony and some changes in the law on divorce” .
        The name of the resolution shows that this was not just a ban, but a whole range of measures to protect children and support mothers.
        Abortions were permitted for medical reasons, but there were many criminal abortions. The use of contraceptives was not developed in the country, there were not enough doctors and the authorities tried to protect women from the risk of losing health during an abortion.
  13. calocha
    calocha 10 January 2014 09: 02
    +3
    We have more homeless children than after the war !!! Where is GAZPROM !!! Luloyly! Rosneft !!! There is money for corporate customers, but there are no money for starving and naked children?!?! SHAME !!! VOVKA tirelessly emphasizes that the money for projects is being controlled , so tightly surrounded himself with A THRESHOLD !!! Faithful, but THORROWED.)) And what kind of baby food?! Worse nowhere !! Candy-crap! There is no ice cream either! Palm oil everywhere! Soya! GMO! Mendeleev’s floor table! !! For a long time it was necessary to ban these Devil's Abortions !!!!
    1. Corporal
      Corporal 10 January 2014 09: 34
      +2
      The composition is written on the ice cream, and if you take soy or palm, this is your business, although to whom am I saying this?

      Fools cannot be given a choice; they will destroy themselves.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 10 January 2014 09: 59
      +1
      Shaw you hysteria. Corporate is sacred. And the state spends so much on orphans that without any Gazprom, the adoption problem can be solved for a long time. If it’s okay to approach this. But you can cut money in the system of orphanages, and if you pay them to families, then ... you won’t be able to cut.
  14. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 10 January 2014 09: 03
    +4
    And those who are for abortion, tie to a chair in front of the TV and continuously show the abortion process and pieces of aborted children. Until the creatures go crazy.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 10 January 2014 10: 01
      +2
      Well, you and a sadist, I have frostbite from some stories. However, a plus from me.
    2. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 13: 08
      -1
      Pha-pha, there is a kind of vacuum cleaner there, the pieces have not been reached for a long time, because everyone is smart and in the last months in abortion and gynecologists do not go. They just give birth and throw the baby in the trash. Sadly, isn't it?
  15. Witch
    Witch 10 January 2014 09: 03
    +2
    The article is populist.
    There is a sore subject of residents of large cities - progressive infertility with all the excellent indicators. For me, the topic was extremely painful for 11 years. I dealt with this topic closely and, which is characteristic, never met the data that 70% of children conceived using IVF or ICSI (by the way, the author said A, say B, ICSI is even more savage procedure from your point of view) are disabled. After 11 years of torment, only thanks to IVF, 2 boys grow up. I know a girl who was born with the help of IVF and her children were perfectly born in a natural way.
    You say adoption is our way, maybe, but have you seen children from orphanages?
    Family friends want a big family. The first child was conceived with the help of IVF, the second was adopted. So they spent more than a year to find a more or less "healthy" child. This "healthy" child has a whole bunch of illnesses, at the age of 4 he practically does not speak and his future prospects are very sad.

    By the way, the ROC IVF and ICSI do not consider it a sin ....
    Then - minus you ...
  16. Sirs
    Sirs 10 January 2014 09: 21
    +2
    It is urgent to prohibit abortion, only allow abortion for medical reasons i.e. life-threatening woman or because of an irreversible fatal illness of the fetus.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 10 January 2014 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: Sirs
      Urgently abolish abortion

      And let's urgently forbid the peasants to finish? The problem with abortion will be resolved immediately. And then, how to slip a woman into a freebie are all masters, only now to give birth to her, a woman. Well, let her decide.
      1. Sirs
        Sirs 10 January 2014 16: 21
        +1
        Quote: IRBIS
        And let's urgently forbid the peasants to finish? The problem with abortion will be resolved immediately. And then, how to slip a woman into a freebie are all masters, only now to give birth to her, a woman. Well, let her decide.

        And whoever spreads his legs and agrees without contraception agrees to have a pleasant pastime.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 10 January 2014 17: 43
          -2
          Quote: Sirs
          And whoever spreads his legs and agrees without contraception agrees to have a pleasant pastime.

          Well, yes, of course - she spreads her legs to engage in "pleasant pastime", then, the reptile, also makes an abortion! And we, men, poor fellows - do "hard work" on it, we sweat, and then we gain the audacity to discuss the topic of the absolute prohibition of termination of pregnancy.
          I am sure that 100% of the men who write here at least once in their lives have done a "deed" without thinking about its consequences, and at least 30 percent of those who advocate "chastity" women have had abortions.
          Question: Why then .. on this topic, blaming women?
  17. Corporal
    Corporal 10 January 2014 09: 25
    -7
    "Stick your barrel, you fool,
    You blew a hole in my ear. "

    The harm of IVF and GMOs is far-fetched and used to manipulate the masses.
    About abortion, people themselves must plan their lives and decide how many children they will have and when. And if the people will be used as chickens at poultry farms, it will not be the Russian people, but the broiler nation.

    Better to improve living conditions, give people housing and a firm confidence in the future. Although then you have to limit the birth rate.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 12: 13
      +5
      Quote: Efreytor
      Better to improve living conditions, give people housing and a firm confidence in the future. Although then you have to limit the birth rate.

      Tell the Tajiks this.
  18. Gino
    Gino 10 January 2014 09: 40
    -2
    Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines protect women from the human papillomavirus, which causes cervical cancer. They do not cause any infertility. Infertility can cause sexually transmitted infections during promiscuous sex. You don’t have to carry any nonsense.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 January 2014 12: 16
      +3
      Quote: Gino
      Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines protect women from human papilloma virus

      And how did we live without these vaccines? Is it a big secret for you that vaccine side effects are often silent? stop
  19. Altona
    Altona 10 January 2014 11: 02
    0
    Quote: alicante11
    In general, the issue of abortion is very slippery. And, unfortunately, one cannot do without them. Since there is an abortion according to indications. Another thing is that for an abortion without medical indications it is necessary to plant. And the one who did it and the one who did it.

    --------------------
    Are doctors among commentators? Let enlighten about medical ethics ... And then constantly for abortion, then against ... Whose rights are violated? When can a fertilized egg be called a human? There are many nuances ...
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 13: 05
      0
      There are doctors. Yes, from the point of view of transcendental medical ethics, abortion should be prohibited, excluding only medical indications. From a reasonable medical point of view, abortions of the fetus (not even the fetus, but zygotes still) up to 1.5 months also seem to be resolved. And then on the rise.
      In fact, the problem of abortion is a very trivial problem, like the problem of daily dental care. Well, they don't like to use protection in our country. Well, all right female hormonal contraceptives - there are many contraindications. But the simplest rubber bands in the pharmacy are sold from 3 to "machine-gun belts". At what, please note, starting from the XNUMXs and ending with the present day, they practically did not change the price and should be quite accessible to the average man in the street
      1. Elizabeth
        11 January 2014 00: 53
        +1
        There are doctors. Yes, from the point of view of transcendental medical ethics, abortion should be prohibited, excluding only medical indications. From a reasonable medical point of view, abortions of the fetus (not even the fetus, but zygotes still) up to 1.5 months also seem to be resolved. And then on the rise.
        In fact, the problem of abortion is a very trivial problem, like the problem of daily dental care. Well, they don't like to use protection in our country. Well, all right female hormonal contraceptives - there are many contraindications. But the simplest rubber bands in the pharmacy are sold from 3 to "machine-gun belts". At what, please note, starting from the XNUMXs and ending with the present day, they practically did not change the price and should be quite accessible to the average man in the street

        Do not dishonor the doctors! In response to a question about the beginning of a person’s life, advertise a condom!
        And human life begins when the paternal and maternal genital cells are combined.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 10 January 2014 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Let them enlighten about medical ethics ...

      The problem of abortion is not a problem of medical ethics. This is a social problem.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 15: 02
        0
        The problem of abortion is not a problem of medical ethics. This is a social problem.

        Yeah, doctors do not do abortions, someone else does it, a plumber, for example. And medicine, by the way, is a science even more social than the same sociology or statistics, however paradoxical it may sound. And all the problems, one way or another connected with the body or the human body, still worth considering from a medical point of view.
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 10 January 2014 16: 49
          +1
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          Doctors do not do abortions, someone else does it, a plumber, for example.

          The question is not who abortion is, and why such a number of abortions are done. But this is a social issue. After all, it’s not doctors who run around the streets and catch, and then drag women to abortion. It is women themselves, for various reasons, who are having an abortion. And in order to reduce the number of women who want to have an abortion, both the state and society must work. And you won’t solve the matter by prohibitions alone.
          By the way, I meant "social" in the context of "social", and not in the sense of "social science".
  20. washi
    washi 10 January 2014 11: 49
    +1
     zvereok  Today, 09:32 ↑ New
    I am against Abortion, but I perfectly understand some of the women who go for it - rent from 6 tr., Clothes, food, etc. on yourself, if you deny yourself everything and eat like a deputy with a "grocery basket" 4500, and a child 2000 (on average, three years per month, taking into account the dairy cuisine).
    And if you move to a house in the village, then the payment for housing will decrease and your products. One problem: it is necessary to plow, and not to run around the clubs.
    We will dress in a ragged 1000 p. in month per person.
    Or 12000 per year. And if you have a sewing machine (which were in almost every family during the Soviet era), and our women’s enormous imagination, the news of the capital’s elite in the castoffs will seem.
    There is much more, for example, that we don’t have a nursery, so we’ll have to live on the allowance.
    So they were few before. Grandfathers, grandmothers, older children, relatives helped. There was a FAMILY. Maybe it’s worth recovering? And then the older children separately, the younger separately. Can from childhood teach responsibility and care for the weak, Develop respect for elders?
    Or, for example, sick leave is paid for some time from the salary (thanks to Putin for this), and he can be in the state offices 6 thousand rubles, but not in the state. offices look at the sickly and most likely ask.
    Do you want to sit on a sick leave which is more than your salary? And in not state. offices - there are courts, the public, etc. We have the legacy of the Romanovs officially canceled in 1861 (not officially in 1917).
    So, in many cases, you cannot give birth to a single woman, if only then immediately abandon the child.
    Why is she alone? Maybe the men got carried away? Or does she lead an unnecessary lifestyle? I agree with both options. There are many males, but the number of people responsible for their children, family, home, city, country is declining. With a decrease in the number of such people, the number of bl..y grows.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 10 January 2014 15: 19
      +1
      And if you move to a house in the village, then the payment for housing will decrease and your products. One problem: it is necessary to plow, and not to run around the clubs.


      When was the last time you were there? In a village, if it is a village, there is no work. If not a village, then there is work, but for such a salary it is better to live in the city by spitting on a communal apartment.

      Your products? How do you imagine that? With a small child. No, well, you can certainly put it in the shade while you spud or drip potatoes.

      In addition, I conditionally accepted that this woman was able to repair the refrigerator in case of which, and to carry out plumbing work, etc.


      Quote: Vasya
      We will dress in a ragged 1000 p. in month per person.
      Or 12000 per year. And if you have a sewing machine (which were in almost every family during the Soviet era), and our women’s enormous imagination, the news of the capital’s elite in the castoffs will seem.


      You probably either haven’t, or you had children for a long time and you don’t know how fast they grow. A kambinizon for example, which will not tear in a month to my 4,5 summer daughter, cost 5 thousand shoes - summer, winter, boots. Sweatshirts, pants, tights, ordinary and warm socks, a scarf, gloves, what to run at home. All this is torn, but there’s nothing to buy new (it’s impossible to sew up ad infinitum), so we conditionally accept it as torn. Prices in the village by the way will be higher than in the city.

      Let's add a washing machine to this, more precisely the norms of electricity consumption.


      Quote: Vasya

      Do you want to sit on a sick leave which is more than your salary? And in not state. offices - there are courts, the public, etc. We have the legacy of the Romanovs officially canceled in 1861 (not officially in 1917).


      Well, it's no secret that the "state." offices (which perform state and municipal work, but are not "state. servant.") very low salaries. My wife, for example, until recently received 12 thousand rubles at the military registration and enlistment office. including 8 salaries, 4 thousand bonuses. I don’t remember until what year the bonuses were included in the sick leave. Now there is no. So it turns out 8-10 thousand of them for the garden, by the way, you also need to pay 1000r-1500r. (300 rubles will be returned later).

      Speaking of gardens - they promise a promotion up to 7000.
      1. Elizabeth
        11 January 2014 00: 58
        0
        Speaking of gardens - they promise a promotion up to 7000.

        And for large children’s institutions are free!
  21. Pacifist
    Pacifist 10 January 2014 13: 27
    -3
    The article is inherently idiotic and full of substitution of concepts, and besides, it speaks more about the state of the psyche of the author than a clinical study.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 10 January 2014 17: 24
      0
      You, Victor, are rightly the greatest diagnostician in the world.
      But what do you diagnose? Own flaw?
      Aren't you the one who wants to knock everyone out of his eye to be like everyone else?
  22. Tartary
    Tartary 10 January 2014 13: 33
    +4
    The authorities need to guarantee young families a separate house with the condition of birth of at least three children, when this house becomes the property of the family and no constitution in this matter will need to be changed.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 10 January 2014 15: 05
      -1
      No-no-no, in Moscow various Tajiks and Uzbeks compete with ravens, pigeons and rats for food supply, I guarantee it
  23. silver_roman
    silver_roman 10 January 2014 14: 12
    +2
    unequivocally the issue is extremely acute, requiring a solution. I support the article.
    moreover, abortion is a way out for many "mothers" so also doctors will give any advice so that a girl (woman) agrees to an abortion. In general, this is a question of changing the constitution, which the same Fedorov and Starikov are talking about. This business is long overdue!
    Video topic:
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 10 January 2014 19: 44
      +1
      ssykunishki, when you put the minuses, then explain your "great thought" ... I hate this topic. like women to God !!!
  24. Corporal
    Corporal 10 January 2014 14: 44
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Tell the Tajiks this.


    Why not the Papuans? We have differences with the Tajiks, cultural, historical, religious. Finally, the level of general development and standard of living. Why should we breed like Tajiks, in crowded conditions and poverty? Do you think that you can hack hack the clock with a sledgehammer and they will continue to tick, only become flat?

    And let's really forbid everything, and abortion, and condoms, and hugs without insemination. Will we put the birth rate into five-year plans and conduct social competitions between the teams? badges caution, awards, pennants, certificates. And then we are uncomfortable in front of the Tajiks.

    Aw, men! Do many have daughters here? Years 12-14-ty? Are you guys really ready to become moms now? With a dad of the same age?

    Maybe problems of this kind should not be solved by prohibitions of abortion, shouldn't this be the start?
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 10 January 2014 17: 34
      +1
      Aw, men! Do many have daughters here? Years 12-14-ty? Are you guys really ready to become moms now? With a dad of the same age?

      If this happened to your son or daughter, then this is your FAILURE like a father. So you yourself, before you marry and have children, you had to to mature.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2014 09: 57
      0
      Aw, men! Do many have daughters here? Years 12-14-ty? Are you guys really ready to become moms now? With a dad of the same age?


      I have two daughters. True, small yet. But my wife and I believe that if it happens, it is better sooner than later (or never).
      There are two aspects. First, it is necessary to conduct explanatory work with children. Unfortunately, in my family this topic was "taboo". As a result, I had to "go through" everything "in practice" and "according to books". Therefore, we need to talk. And I am preparing my son on the sly that he is a man, the head of the family and must bear responsibility for all his actions. Moreover, not only their own, but also their halves in the future and their children when they will. And the girls will be prepared for the fact that intimate life is not a "taboo". But not a toy either. That you need to respect yourself as a woman, not with the first comer and not out of interest, but out of love. Obey your body and soul. And not thoughtlessly, but planned, so that without consequences. Then you can get joy from intimacy, otherwise there is only one disappointment and devastation. At the same time, it is common for young people to make mistakes, and they cannot be constantly at their mother's skirt. And even if there are consequences in the form of an unexpected pregnancy, well, well, then their time has come. This has its advantages as well. The parents are still young, can help with finances and advice, and sit with their grandchildren while the children can afford to relax a little. The main thing is that everything is in moderation. And when the children grow up, the parents themselves will be still young and will be able to afford to live for themselves, and not immediately "retire."
  25. zcrb
    zcrb 10 January 2014 15: 11
    +2
    The article is delusional in terms of medicine. The author is divorced from reality and collected data for the article on counters with a yellow press, but not from serious sources.
    "Abortion surgery is a thing of the past. There will be no such abortions soon. Today, new technologies of death are already widely used, among which the chemical means of attacking future generations are medical abortion ..." - abortion with the help of drugs began to be used almost before surgical methods.
    "So, according to officially not proven, but accurate scientific and practical information received from different clinics in the world" - this is so, not officially proven, but accurate scientific and practical intelligence? That is, they are somehow there and they are somehow not?
    "out of 100 children conceived with IVF, only 5. Out of 100 children born through IVF, 70 are disabled. There is no reliable information about the fertility of those who have lived to childbearing age. Most families who have survived this abuse of human nature, disintegrates. " - Of the total number of fertilized eggs, only about 5% are suitable for implantation in the uterus, but not out of 100 children, only 5 survive to birth. About the disabled - data sucked from the finger, as well as about the ability to bear children. Well, as has been said about families, the child only strengthens such families. Yes, to the issue of IVF fees. More recently, a decree has been issued according to which IVF is referred to medical procedures carried out for free under the medical insurance policy. Yes, according to indications, yes, only once, but free.
    "Today, medicine, starting with medical education, subsists on money from the pharmaceutical industry and birth control structures. State subsidies are not able to cover all the costs of medicine (as well as education)" - Today, medicine exists solely at the expense of our taxes, which in the form of a per capita norm are transferred to the accounts of medical institutions.
  26. zcrb
    zcrb 10 January 2014 15: 22
    +2
    Well, about abortion - the topic is really very slippery. The prohibition of abortion always leads to a surge in "criminal abortions", which often end in injuries and even death of women. In order for the number of abortions to decrease, it is necessary to educate young people, so that they develop priorities for creating a family, giving birth and raising a child in marriage. And you shouldn't forget about contraception either.
  27. Corporal
    Corporal 10 January 2014 19: 21
    0
    Quote: Kahlan Amnell
    If this happened to your son or daughter, then this is your FAILURE like a father.


    Wonderful, that is, it is important for you to find out whose failure it is? And will it be a mature, adult point of view? Hug daughter, dear, this is my failure, go give birth.

    And now the other side of the question. My daughter flew over. And knows that. And he knows you, so without a trace. She does not want to let you down, and abortion is prohibited. What will she do? Anything, using information from girlfriends, the Internet and the hell in a mortar. And the Inquisition was not lying around with these methods.

    As a result, you may not learn anything about "your failure", but you will not see your grandchildren either.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 05: 44
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      Dear Dmitriy. I think you are still a young man and your daughter, if there is one, is still playing with dolls.
      It was about peasants. But to the same extent this applies to women. If this happened to my daughter, then this would be my failure as a mother. So I couldn’t explain to my daughter what was what. But in fact, my daughter and I have complete trust. So there was no fear. Like, mother swears. When the time came, I explained to my daughter what and how, and she understood. A big mistake modern parents consider themselves smarter than their children. This is not true! We are not smarter than them. More experienced - yes, but not smarter. And if, when children reach a certain age, treat them as adults, responsible people, then they really become like that - adults and responsible.
      1. Corporal
        Corporal 11 January 2014 09: 11
        +1
        Thanks for the compliment. I understood your point. I am not against education. I have no daughter, I have two sons.
        I’ll try to clarify my position.

        If what happened, what happened, you can’t take away from a person the opportunity to rectify the situation with the help of modern, civilized, maximally safe means for the body.

        And who and what is to blame, everyone decides for himself. The search for the guilty is the last thing in this matter.

        The child radically and forever changes the life of the mother. And it’s good if this child is welcome, and mom and dad are already ripe for such responsibility and are able to take care of themselves and the child.

        But it does not always happen.

        My position: Abortion is evil, it is sin. But abortion cannot be prohibited. Education, enlightenment, raising the culture of the nation, the general improvement of morality, the condemnation of abortion by society. OK, if it is forbidden, then for women older than 20 years, for example. Then I will support with both hands. By the age of 20, brains already appear, and you can get an education.

        By the way, look at smoking. He was not banned, they came from the other side. Now I am one of the four remaining smokers in the team, in which more than two hundred people. All friends abandoned. And this is the generation of the 70s.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2014 09: 32
          0
          Excuse me, but what does "ripe" mean?
          Walked left and right? Drank your barrel of vodka-wine-brandy? Unlearned, bought the last iPhone, made a career, bought a mink coat, car, apartment, a second car, drove into Egypt-Turkey-Thailand, bought a better car, a cottage, a yacht, a yacht longer than Abramovich, a yacht longer than whose sheikh has a longer yacht than Abramovich? When do we ripen?
  28. Corporal
    Corporal 10 January 2014 20: 10
    0
    And our women are different from Islamic. There is such a thing, emancipation.

    They do not want to sit at home and raise seven on benches. They want to get an education and do what they love. Ask your wives and girls.

    So the opponents of abortion, accept Islam, obey the Sharia and go home to Turkmenistan. fool
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 10 January 2014 22: 22
      +1
      I totally agree. The solution is not to ban. The solution is to first educate, and secondly, not to force it. But for the state it is too complicated.

      And in the first place to educate men, not women.

      But of course this is ideal.

      There is one lady, the government proposes to introduce a tax if one child in the family and average income. It’s curious, but will they ever begin to consider expenses? For example, I spend more than half the salary on a mortgage (I spend with the blessing of the state)

      To be honest, gritting his teeth would pay a tax for the possibility of at least once a year a bottle, at least one deputy who did not like to put in the ass.
  29. Agrippina Dudina
    Agrippina Dudina 10 January 2014 21: 17
    +1
    It’s a pity that emotions, rudeness (on the verge of rudeness sometimes) are gone ... And the problem is the most immense: THE VALUE OF EACH HUMAN LIFE! After all, since 1920, we have already been accustomed to the fact that a person’s life is zilch; Everything is allowed. And the good doctor is ready with tools or pills. And the fact that a whole branch of HUMANITY could go from this child (killed) ... (!!!) - they did not think. By the way, the numbers are downplayed in the article. In fact, 75% of children after IVF are disabled (the data of the chief pediatrician of Russia are quite official). And as for official statistics - you won’t wait, everything is classified ... I would really like people to live not only with emotions, but also with their minds. Look for quality information on these topics on the websites www.eps-metod.ru www.babynar.ru ...
    1. Elizabeth
      10 January 2014 23: 15
      +1
      Agrippina Dudina It’s a pity that we went into emotions, rudeness (sometimes on the verge of rudeness) ... And the problem is the most immense: VALUE OF EACH HUMAN LIFE! After all, from 1920 of the year we have already been taught that human life is zilch, I want to - I give birth to it, I don’t want to - I will kill! All is allowed. And the good doctor is ready with tools or pills. And the fact that a whole branch of HUMANITY could go from this child (killed) ... (!!!) - they did not think. By the way, the numbers are downplayed in the article. In fact, 75% of children after IVF are disabled (the data of the chief pediatrician of Russia are quite official). And as for official statistics - you won’t wait, everything is classified ... I would really like people to live not only with emotions, but also with their minds. Look for quality information on these topics on the websites www.eps-metod.ru www.babynar.ru ...


      This comment has nothing to cover! Bravo! The Trolls went to bed.
      For those who think with their own head, information is here not only for reflection, but also for action.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 January 2014 09: 05
        0
        And what to "cover"? What's "classified"? Well, you have shown your true face, you do not like IVF, and abortion is the only way to manipulate.

        For those who think with their own head, information is here not only for reflection, but also for action.


        So what is the information for action? Are we here, deputies gathered? Or a government? HOW TO ACT US from the article is not visible.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 11 January 2014 11: 45
      -1
      Quote: Agrippina Dudina
      And the fact that a whole branch of HUMANITY could go from this child (killed) ... (!!!) - they did not think.

      And if Hitler's mother had an abortion?
      And how many geeks from the families of drunks who did not abort in a timely manner?
      There is no need to raise the problem to the level of absurdity, Dear. How many children do you have? Sorry, do you use contraceptives? This way you can reach insanity, considering each sperm as an unborn child. Then the most notorious "killers" are masturbators ...
      1. Elizabeth
        11 January 2014 12: 20
        +1
        IRBIS And if Hitler's mom had an abortion?

        Then such as Hitler would be born to another mother.
        The percentage of freaks in any society is stable. They were and will be. They are necessary for society, so that at least someone remembers the norm, who the person is, why he came to this world, to strive for something other than pleasures, to know this world, to at least learn to distinguish sperm from the living a person, even a tiny one.
        If at least some contraceptives really existed, then some should prescribe them for life so that the freaks would not produce. But alas, there are no such funds yet. Therefore, they conceive, thinking that they are being protected, and then they kill, sometimes without suspecting it.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 11 January 2014 13: 05
          0
          Quote: Elizabeth
          If at least some contraceptives really existed, then some should prescribe them for life so that the freaks would not produce. But alas, there are no such funds yet.

          It, the remedy, is - this is done surgically.
          But to force a woman to give birth by introducing bans on abortion is absurd. It is necessary to create conditions for a woman to feel confident in her tomorrow and her children, even if she is suddenly left alone. A crumb of bread can be divided into two or three, but only these three will already be slightly hungry. The birth of a child automatically entails a sharp decline in living standards for most families, especially young ones, and this is a harsh reality. If we add here the acutely standing problem with housing, then all the talk about "murders" is in favor of those who do not think about the future of the child who needs to be supported and raised.
          Ultimately, the decisive word in the problem of "giving birth - not giving birth" should remain with the woman. And if someone tries to deprive her of such a choice, then let him first create the proper conditions so that such a choice does not arise.
          1. Elizabeth
            11 January 2014 20: 05
            -1
            IRBIS (2) And if someone tries to deprive her of such a choice, then let him first create the right conditions so that such a choice does not arise.


            Reasoning in full accordance with the 1st law of female logic, which can be illustrated by the phrase: "in spite of the conductor I will take a ticket and go on foot."
            Men do not have such a train of thought, nevertheless, a man seems to suggest: "create the proper conditions for women, otherwise they will have the right to kill their children." One thing can console her, with each murder her chance of a new successful conception and gestation approaches zero. The woman turns into a sterile, castrated female. As is known from zoology, males ignore castrated females. For people, this is called the woman's right to free choice.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2014 09: 07
          0
          If at least some contraceptives really existed, then some would have to prescribe them for life so that the freaks would not produce


          Enough to carry nonsense. You would have typed "contraceptive to buy" in Yandex ...
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 12 January 2014 09: 06
        0
        And if Hitler's mother had an abortion?


        Then the arrogant Saxons would have found another genius moron.
  30. Archer
    Archer 10 January 2014 23: 22
    +3
    Dear Pacifist, did it not occur to you that the author is perhaps trying to put in your head previously replaced by someone concepts in place?
  31. Kahlan amnell
    Kahlan amnell 11 January 2014 04: 16
    0
    I looked at the number of cons to the article and realized how many more "men" we have. Men are purely nominal, solely on the basis of primary sex characteristics, and not by nature. Shame and shame on you, "muzhchinki"!
    1. Elizabeth
      11 January 2014 12: 34
      -1
      Kahlan Amnell I looked at the number of cons to the article and realized how many more "men" we have. Men are purely nominal, solely on the basis of primary sex characteristics, and not by nature. Shame and shame on you, "muzhchinki"!

      Fortunately, there are others, Men, without quotes, and even with a capital letter! And even among the commentators of the article under discussion, such were manifested.
      Sadly different. The enemy remains unnoticed, not recognized by the majority of those who could defeat him, at least in their own family. It is easier to stigmatize martyrs, thinking that they will not answer. They will answer and already answer! But if you do not fight terrorism and violence in your families, in your cultural and ethnic environment, then the next generations may not exist. Indeed, in addition to the "living bombs" that freely roam our cities, there are those who are going to live happily ever after and raise their descendants on our lands. Many of them already sit in government offices or rule over those who sit there.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2014 09: 01
      0
      I looked at the number of cons to the article and realized how many more "men" we have. Men are purely nominal, solely on the basis of primary sex characteristics, and not by nature. Shame and shame on you, "muzhchinki"!


      And where did you get the idea that men, "muzhchinki", and not women, "women" were minus. is there that the floor of the voter is reflected? I personally did not minus, because the topic of the ban on abortions cannot be minus. But the article, I repeat, is clearly provocative. And your comments with Elizabeth are also provocative. These are already one hundred percent.