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Science to convince. Why the minority rules the majority and how to use it for the good of the country

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Science to convince. Why the minority rules the majority and how to use it for the good of the countryEveryday and inconspicuously on the eve of New Year's holidays, the State Duma immediately adopted in the second and third readings a bill on punishments for the propaganda of separatism. He immediately caused deep concern among various human rights activists and our foreign partners. Meanwhile, recent studies by American defense industry confirm the feasibility and need for such bans.


Human rights activists are concerned

The bill on punishment for the propaganda of separatism was submitted to the State Duma by deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in early December and quickly passed all three readings. According to him, the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation includes article 280.1 - “public calls for the implementation of actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation”. Such actions will be punished with a fine of up to 300 thousand rubles, or in the amount of a two-year income of the convicted person, compulsory work for up to 300 hours, or up to three years in prison. If such appeals were carried out with the help of the media, then the punishment may be up to 480 hours of mandatory work or up to 5 years of the colony. Now the president has the last word, and if he approves the law, it will come into force on May 9 of 2014.

Human rights activists are excited and buzzing on blogs.

“Experts perceive this legislative initiative with great concern, primarily because in this way any, including scientific, discussions about regional policy, about secession or annexation of territories of the Russian Federation, and even about border adjustments are criminalized. At the same time, the use of the media and the Internet is considered by the authors of the bill as an aggravating circumstance, and, for example, a public skepticism about the legitimacy of the Kuril Islands can be interpreted as a “doubt in the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation” and entail punishment ”.

They are worried, of course, not about the impossibility of conducting scientific discussions, but about the rapidly escaping monopoly right to dispose of human minds through the media. Indeed, the prohibition of propaganda of homosexuality, separatism, the elimination of the RIA "News“, The general strengthening of patriotic rhetoric on the Internet - all this looks extremely alarming for them.

However, some neutral readers may be bitten by a worm of doubt - is it not the bend, will not the “servants of the regime” now rush into the intelligent Moscow kitchens and punish them for “scientific discussions”? Maybe it’s not worthwhile to pinch minorities, maybe, let them discuss in their microscopic circle what they want, and the majority are still indifferent to their ideas and respects for kindly eccentrics?

Let us turn to the results of a curious study of American scientists.

Science to persuade

The Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, commissioned by the US Department of Defense, conducts a study of social networks. With their rapid development, it is actually possible to talk about a separate area of ​​science, which is of great interest to any state that cares about its national security. One of the institute's studies, commissioned by the US Army Laboratory, revealed a curious pattern - as soon as the percentage of people who are firmly convinced that a certain conviction is right reaches 10, their idea is inevitably accepted by the majority.

In general, we knew it without any research and repeatedly observed in practice. However, in this case, our assumptions are confirmed by the data of scientific research, and the 10% figure will be useful to us for further understanding of many processes in the information environment.

To demonstrate the mechanism, let's turn to the fresh example of information support for the upcoming Olympics in Sochi.

Imagine a user of a social network of moderate (or no) political views. Initially, it is neutral to the fact of the Olympics. On the one hand, he is pleased with the emergence of new sports facilities in the country and the growth of its international prestige, but on the other hand he fears that many budget funds will be stolen during the preparation of the event. As a result, these considerations balance each other, and he remains in a neutral position. Public opinion as a whole is also neutral.

However, a neutral user accidentally meets another user who unexpectedly sharply negative comments about the Olympics. He argues his position with a variety of facts - from Boris Nemtsov’s statements about large-scale theft at construction sites to horrific stories about how the roof of a bobsled track "collapsed" or "hachi killed while descending on it at dinner." The quality of the facts in this case does not matter. It matters only the degree of fanatical conviction of the character.

The “neutral” has doubts, and he, trying to resolve them, turns to another user. If another user has the same opinion as “fanatic”, then “neutral” changes his own, so as not to be torn off from the majority. The truth of the belief itself is irrelevant in this case.

The likelihood that a “neutral” will be overlaid by “fanatics” increases as the frequency and professionalism of “stuffing” and the credibility of the sources that distribute them. The more fully these conditions are observed, the faster the point of no return approaches, after which public opinion changes in the direction of minority ideas. Recall that according to the research of Americans, this threshold is only 10%.

Another aspect that we observe regularly is the “self-feeding” of the persuaded public. Converted to the faith of "fanatics", users begin to independently search for her confirmation and violently distribute them, so as not to become a minority again. From here, in our case, there are numerous tastes of "extinguished torches" and hurricane reposts in the style of "look, another president refused to attend the Olympics."

Thus, it is confirmed that in closed systems to influence public opinion is not so difficult, as it seems at first glance. For this we need several specialists, a pool of paid “leaders of public opinion”, and knowledge of the elementary laws of information dissemination. Plus, of course, money for a massive media bombing - but our opponents, who are driving the Russian media class as they want, certainly have such funds.

Why research of this kind was required by the US military, no secret. The authors themselves refer to the experience of Egypt and Libya:

“In these countries, dictators who have been in power for decades have been suddenly overthrown in just a few weeks.”

It can be argued that this overthrow was helped not only by moderation of public opinion, but also by rocket-bomb strikes, although military assistance would have been far less effective without information training.

Looking for your own 10%

Let us return to our ban on the promotion of all kinds of indecencies. On the one hand, it is very good that the legislators have finally paid attention to the information front. It is bad that only now.

On the other hand, it is obvious that we cannot cope with bans alone. Moreover, bans, if not supported by counter-propaganda, will cause more harm than good. After all, by themselves, they contribute to the planting in the society of the myth of a “police state that silences people”. You will see that this trend will prevail in the information space of the next year.

Therefore, along with bans, you need to play your own game. Yes, by the same methods as our opponents, for there are no others on this front. After all, the “10% rule” works in any direction, no matter who uses it for what purpose.

Finally, I’ll share my personal observations of the Russian segment of social networks. Over the past two years, their "patriotic" segment has grown and strengthened, gradually getting rid of the marginal image. According to personal feelings, we are still far away from the cherished 10%, but we are moving towards this bar at quite a vigorous pace. This year, almost everyone who friended me on the social network already had mutual friends with me from 1 to 15. This means that our circle is expanding, we ourselves find each other for “self-feeding”, and therefore, we inevitably acquaint the “neutral” with our ideas. And if we remain as true to our positions, they will sooner or later become natural for the general public. According to the law of dissemination of information.
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  1. Boris55
    Boris55 4 January 2014 09: 25
    +26
    Quote: Eugene Super
    ... Human rights activists are thrilled and buzzing on blogs ...

    A sure sign - the law is correct!
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 January 2014 09: 38
      +13
      It was high time to pass the law .. They scratch each other in front of each other. (They pour mud on Russia) Now, before they blurt out something, let them think ...
      1. Civil
        Civil 4 January 2014 10: 54
        0
        Well, yes, yes ... God forbid, the Khanty or there Mansi want oil towers together with independence to tidy themselves ..
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 5 January 2014 14: 27
          0
          Quote: From the article
          However, the neutral user accidentally meets another user who unexpectedly responds sharply negatively

          Quote: From the article
          Faithful "fanatics" users begin to independently seek her confirmation and distribute them violently

          Quote: Civil
          Well, yes, yes ... God forbid, the Khanty or there Mansi want oil towers together with independence to tidy themselves ..

          Sorry for the curiosity, in this situation, will you classify yourself as the first ones mentioned in the article, or the second?))
      2. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 4 January 2014 21: 06
        +4
        MIKHAN
        Exactly.
        Nsland and Makspark — such a quantity of liberal trash, frankly pro-Nazi and Zionist authors, statues, comments — still need to be looked for. votes, and it directly and unequivocally demands that measures be taken to such sites.
    2. Delink
      Delink 4 January 2014 09: 38
      +8
      Another would be to cover up such human rights defenders, or "close", so as not to stir up the public.
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 4 January 2014 11: 22
        +4
        Close human rights defenders move is not entirely true. It is necessary to create within the country their human rights defenders who will supplant strangers. The first step has already been taken. Non-governmental organizations promised funding that is several times higher than what they receive from abroad, plus you are not considered a foreign agent. Given the fact that for every law enforcer he lives on grants, even the irreconcilable ones like Alekseeva are thoughtful.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 4 January 2014 14: 32
          +8
          Quote: Arhj
          Non-governmental organizations promised financing that is several times higher than what they receive from abroad, plus you are not considered a foreign agent. Given the fact that for every law enforcer he lives on grants, even the irreconcilable ones like Alekseeva are thoughtful.

          Did you think what you said? Then all the mongrels who sincerely hate Russia and its peoples, who have committed crimes, you propose to outbid? According to official data, those who receive the "salary" from our enemies are not 3 billion rubles (but actually more) to outbid by paying them several times more?
          Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are, shmandovka Alekseeva is your friend, you want her "salary to increase several times. Your" idea "is exactly the same as the statement, and not only, chubyski - to privatize everything and no matter how much the main thing is to the people did not belong because the people are not an effective "manager". "-" you
          ... I didn’t even think that the protection of the state is the prerogative of the state itself and no one has the right to pay private owners for it
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 4 January 2014 17: 27
            +1
            Quote: Ivan.
            Then all the mongrels who sincerely hate Russia and its peoples, who have committed crimes, you propose to outbid? According to official data, those who receive the "salary" from our enemies are not 3 billion rubles (but actually more) to outbid by paying them several times more?


            You misunderstood the post. Grants are given to "their" NPOs, and strangers are left without money. Nobody is going to outbid them - and so they will scatter without money.

            Quote: Ivan.
            state protection is the prerogative of the state itself and nobody has the right to pay private owners for this


            Many rulers who thought so later received, at best, a quick death, like M. Gaddafi. At worst, like S. Hussein, slow and humiliating.
            If you think that all the problems of the state should be solved by special services (well, not the Ministry of Internal Affairs, because you put them on PR), then what are you doing on this site? Here, after all, there is a free exchange of views on problems, and special services are not particularly annoyed by moralizing. And you took a certificate from the FSB that you can be here? hi
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 4 January 2014 23: 07
              +1
              Quote: Botanologist
              You misunderstood the post. Grants are given to "their" NPOs, and strangers are left without money. Nobody is going to outbid them - and so they will scatter without money.

              I understood everything correctly, "foreign NGOs" receive a lot of money for their sabotage activities (miners never dreamed of) and here it is proposed to pay many times more to some private traders who are in complete safety, which means that the crowds will "correct themselves" like a hodor and offer their rich experience. "fighters of the invisible front". And even if they are not taken, they will not scatter, and no one will forbid them, but for money they will find other ways.
              Quote: Botanologist
              If you think that all the problems of the state should be solved by special services

              Less fantasies, this is not the work of the special services for a long time, for a very long time, it can be said, with the advent of mass access to the Internet, an extensive government structure should have appeared (working with specialized institutions in terms of neutralizing the impact on the human psyche), the sphere of activity of which would include these tasks and many others too. Then it would be transparent, effective and controlled.
              Quote: Botanologist
              what are you doing on this site? Here, after all, there is a free exchange of views on problems, and special services are not particularly annoyed by moralizing. And you took a certificate from the FSB that you can be here?

              I did not expect such stupidity from you, so you are denying me an opinion? I will not fall before you and I will not ask you for help from one place.
              Non-governmental organizations promised financing that is several times higher than what they receive from abroad, plus you are not considered a foreign agent.

              How do you understand that? Re-read the comment of Alexandra Raspopina and do not disgrace.
    3. Horde
      Horde 4 January 2014 10: 03
      +5
      Then it is time, according to this law, to begin landing firstly PUTIN, who passed our AMUR LANDS, MEDVEDEV, which the SPITZBERGEN shelf has delimited in favor of Norway.
      Do not forget that ALASKA is an ARTICALLY RUSSIAN LAND, CRIMEA with SEVASTOPOL, the city of RUSSIAN GLORY. Recall such acts of betrayal when, with humpbacked shevarnadze, he took and presented HUGE BATHING BATHROOMS, did Yeltsin draw a border in favor of Kazakhstan, Do not stop and adopt the Law ON RETURN OF OUR LANDS.
      1. Beck
        Beck 5 January 2014 20: 23
        -1
        Quote: Horde
        Do not forget that ALASKA is an ARTICALLY RUSSIAN LAND, CRIMEA with SEVASTOPOL, the city of RUSSIAN GLORY. Recall such acts of betrayal when, with humpbacked shevarnadze, he took and presented HUGE BATHING BATHROOMS, did Yeltsin draw a border in favor of Kazakhstan, Do not stop and adopt the Law ON RETURN OF OUR LANDS.


        You are not a patriot, Horde, or do not know the story.

        You forgot to call for the return of Finland and Poland, the Baltic states and Moldova, the CER and Port Arthur, Manchuria and Harbin. And why didn’t you say (it’s not forgivable to you) about the blue dream of the cheers-patriots, going back centuries, and since then provoking the trembling anguish of the dying heart. Why didn’t you mention the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles and Istanbul, that is, the revived Constantinople.
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 4 January 2014 12: 31
      +9
      Quote: Boris55
      A sure sign - the law is correct!


      In the West, the "stronghold of democracy" and all kinds of freedoms, a certain associative array was immediately launched in connection with the adoption of this law. Therefore, human rights defenders, gays and democratic shaking hands and "national activists" should conduct propaganda in this way. Once the authors of the law became a working group headed by N. Starikov, then any such law issued from the pen of a convinced anti-Westerner is Stalin, totalitarianism, infringement of individual rights with trampling, a threat to the entire free Western world. It will become even more difficult to work off foreign grants by bringing democratic ideas to the masses when the article of the Criminal Code hangs over you. And there are a lot of such people. human rights defenders negotiating how to rationally transfer the Kuril Islands to Japan, nationalists calling to “stop feeding” certain regions of the Russian Federation, journalists who “do not see a special problem if Russia is divided along the Ural ridge” to the delight of China, various “ethnographers” , building “identities” of “Pomors”, national social activists calling for the construction of caliphates and many, many others.
      Moreover, this and similar "protective laws" in conditions when an information and terrorist war is being waged against us are vital. After all, the methods of waging modern wars and twitter revolutions imply the maximum use of internal conflicts of the state, which, if properly heated, are capable of destroying it with scanty purely military costs, until, in the conditions of this war, the vast majority of citizens will not reach understanding of the uncontested importance of the unity of state and societysuch laws will be needed to limit the hostile information flow. After all, the perception of the state, as well as morality with moral values, formed due to the information environment and education.Just the formation of this information environment is one of the points of the Public Safety Concept, which was approved by the President of the Russian Federation in November 2013.
      According to the document, one of the main sources of threats to public security is the extremist activities of nationalist, religious, ethnic and other organizations aimed at violating the unity and territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 4 January 2014 22: 29
        +2
        The more people who are able to ask the right questions and solve serious problems, the more difficult it is to manage them. They are smart, educated, do not take seriously the banal (in the spirit of conspiracy theory) explanations of the regime’s failures and failures.
        Therefore, a powerful mass stupor machine works, propaganda, TV, advertising, etc. Italian social researcher Antonio Negri wrote that modern high-tech capitalism is like a snake biting its tail. The higher the level of development of society, the stronger should be the propaganda sweeping this society.
    5. CALL.
      CALL. 4 January 2014 23: 58
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      A sure sign - the law is correct!


      In order not to shake the air in vain with words, I propose to do a useful thing.
      Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd8EDzttMik
      and commit a civil act, sign in support of the amendment of the law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

      PS Every difficult and long road starts with a small step.
    6. 4fedor1
      4fedor1 5 January 2014 16: 36
      0
      I would not only reduce their languages ​​to them, indiscriminately all on aspens!
  2. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 4 January 2014 09: 39
    +11
    Now the president has the last word, and if he approves the law, he will enter into force on May 9, 2014.

    We defeated the external enemy on May 9, now is the time for the internal. Symbolically.
  3. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 January 2014 09: 44
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    A sure sign - the law is correct!

    hi That's for sure, but the punishment is stricter. thoughts against Russia did not arise.
  4. makarov
    makarov 4 January 2014 09: 44
    +4
    "Indeed, the ban on the propaganda of homosexuality, separatism, the elimination of RIA Novosti, the general strengthening of patriotic rhetoric on the Internet - all this looks extremely alarming for them ..."

    It is well known that a two-edged sword, as well as the fact that it is generally accepted the so-called the law of carrots and sticks.
    So, I am interested in "carrot" for propaganda and agitation against homosexuals, homodrils, homosexuals of all stripes and estates. And by God, it’s not serious. laughing
    1. saha471
      saha471 4 January 2014 10: 11
      +13
      Well, what kind of "carrot" do you want, dear comrade? Do you really want to get a bribe for the fact that, for example, you love your parents and help them? Well done, the day is clear. But there is no premium for this. This is not merit, but the behavior of a NORMAL person. So it is with homosexuals. A normal person does not accept them. This is what he says. What else?
      1. makarov
        makarov 4 January 2014 10: 50
        +1
        "Well, what kind of" carrot "do you want, dear comrade? .."

        Tasty, soft, and sweet !!!
        P.S. And honorable! fellow
        1. varov14
          varov14 4 January 2014 11: 09
          0
          Here we are for the gingerbread and we sell everything and everything - a whip for the fullness of the sensation.
      2. kaktus
        kaktus 4 January 2014 11: 31
        +8
        Skillful Propaganda of normal lifestyle versus deviations - if I
        understand Comrade Makarov correctly
        1. makarov
          makarov 4 January 2014 11: 54
          +6
          absolutely!!! and the people then went what ??? even emoticons do not pay attention. Grind people understanding, thank God even though the spirit remained ..
          1. zao74
            zao74 4 January 2014 17: 45
            +5
            But somehow it’s not joking on this topic, we have already joked about game parades ...
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 4 January 2014 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      So, I am interested in "carrot" for propaganda and agitation against homosexuals, homodrils, homosexuals of all stripes and classes. And by God, it’s not serious

      So show civic activity, establish a "carrot", publish it in the media, and then we'll see ...
      (F. I. Tyutchev: "It is not given to us to predict
      How our word will respond
      And we are given sympathy,
      How grace is given to us .. ")
    3. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 4 January 2014 10: 50
      0
      I correctly understood you, Mr. Makarov, that in order to be a normal person, you have to pay?
      And what if you get paid for the opposite, you will propagate homosexuals, homodrils and buggers of all stripes and classes? laughing
      1. makarov
        makarov 4 January 2014 11: 51
        +4
        The work that is not paid, the exploitation, and the soft carrot, is not paid, but only a sign of honor, respect, and tribute to the years lived. And if they don’t give the gingerbread, I will, in the old fashion, regale myself with a crusty cracker ... since my grandchildren are farther, there is no one to chew. hi
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 4 January 2014 12: 12
          +3



          Here is the sign you are dreaming of.
          Do not forget to note drinks
          1. makarov
            makarov 4 January 2014 12: 58
            +1
            But is it not fake by chance, otherwise I am blind. And there was no need to see the numbers. Probably fool the old .......
            C'mon, I will accept such a thing from society !! with gratitude, now I will be even with the order, and odd with the cracker odd with the order.
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 4 January 2014 12: 51
      +9
      Quote: makarov
      I am interested in the "carrot" for propaganda and agitation against homosexuals, homodrilis, homosexuals of all stripes and classes. And by God, it’s not serious


      As they say in the army, the lack of punishment is an encouragement. The most delicious carrot is the lack of a carrot. Even psychologists confirmed this. We performed an experiment by scanning the brain of 16 participants performing simple tasks at the level of conditioned reflexes. For scanning, we used the visualization method using functional magnetic resonance (FMR). In response to encouraging incentives (especially when it came to receiving money), a part of the brain called the medial orbitofrontal cortex (OFC) was activated in people. It also turned out that the same department is also activated if a person manages to avoid “punishment”. According to the authors of the study, this fact confirms the hypothesis according to which both of these cognitive processes have similar neuronal mechanisms. The experiment was as follows: the subjects were asked to choose one of two fractal images on the monitor screen - depending on the answers, the volunteers lost or won “virtual” dollars and then made the next choice. The “encouraging” version of the experiment led to a greater or lesser likelihood of getting a dollar, and the option with “punishment” to a high or low probability of losing a reward. Over time, the subjects learned to choose exactly those images that led to a high probability of winning and low probability of loss (“punishment by the dollar”).
      Assessment of brain activity showed that, as predicted, OFC is activated both in cases where a person manages to avoid punishment, and in cases where encouragement is received. According to the authors of the study, the FMR method allowed for the first time to obtain direct evidence that avoiding punishment, as well as receiving encouragement, activates the same part of the brain. Thus, both of these results are perceived by the brain in the same way: as achieving the goal. In other words: avoiding punishment is like receiving a reward.
      link
      Therefore, such laws and prohibitions for democratic activists, the main one for which is the presence of dollars in your pocket and the source of their receipt, will be perceived as an encouragement if they avoid punishment at the level of conditioned reflexes. smile
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 4 January 2014 15: 32
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        The most delicious gingerbread is the lack of a whip.

        "Whip" (in one form or another) is in any case necessary, otherwise "spoil" ...
    5. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 January 2014 14: 50
      -1
      Quote: makarov
      So, I'm interested in "gingerbread"
      1. makarov
        makarov 4 January 2014 17: 19
        0
        I don’t eat such. he will eat me faster ...
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 4 January 2014 22: 47
          0
          Quote: makarov
          I don’t eat such. he will eat me faster ...


          Video where such gingerbread men eat for breakfast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvpsyuw9ThI
    6. Ivan.
      Ivan. 4 January 2014 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      So, I'm interested in "carrot" for propaganda and agitation against homosexuals,

      I think we can provide you with your carrot, provided that the places of "agitation" and "propaganda" are inside gay clubs, gay parades and other "events" of our "elite" and we promise an order for correcting Borya Moiseeva. Correct servicemen ?! And we don't need to agitate! We are all right with our heads! Yes .. and do not meddle with children with your agitation.
      1. makarov
        makarov 4 January 2014 17: 28
        0
        "And we do not need to agitate! We are all right with our heads! Yes .. and don’t meddle with children with your agitation."

        Eh Vanya-Vanya, you are not much different from that fabulous! Well, who gave you the right to throw words from "US". It looks like minor officials, they are used to hiding from responsibility under the well-known screen "WE", although no one authorized you to speak on behalf of ALL. Of course, it happens in a different way, the little man himself is no one, so he turns to someone, and from that he feels like power, So she is this "power", false and illusory. Each Vanyanka judges people by trying on deeds to their own, or mysterious ones that have not come true. And you about the kids ... What is Vanyatko on your mind that (?), Such a desire ... ay-ay-ay
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 5 January 2014 00: 00
          0
          Quote: makarov
          Eh Vanya-Vanya, from that fabulous little different!

          Thanks Paul! You just lower yourself with your insults at me, did not expect this from you. They said stupidity got honest for her. Or do you not understand the meaning of the words propaganda, agitation? Propaganda can only be for something and not against + it excludes informed choice — it is a push towards a decision. Agitation is also somewhere nearby + similar activities can only affect fragile youth minds, and why do you need to draw their attention to this topic? This is fraught with results exactly the opposite, attention is the energy to which it is directed, so it is in contact and therefore participates in the formation. It’s better not to think of a ban on ANY propaganda of the like and forced treatment or deprivation of citizenship back to London. Propaganda, on the contrary, in this case is propaganda from the back door.
          And you hinted about the gingerbread. Maybe I overly sharply besieged your stupid joke, but it hurts too shitty. So I'm waiting for your apology.
    7. CTEPX
      CTEPX 5 January 2014 14: 45
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      So, I am interested in "carrot" for propaganda and agitation against homosexuals, homodrils, homosexuals of all stripes and estates.

      Unfortunately, so far these gingerbread cookies are eaten mainly by those whom you listed in the "cons" section)). On the simple basis that it is they who rule the budgetary flows in the Russian Federation.
      But judging by the appearance of the law under discussion, times are changing.
      By the way, all Wahhabis on the basis of this law are criminals)).
  5. saha471
    saha471 4 January 2014 10: 06
    +5
    I fully support all of the listed laws and initiatives. They are aimed at preserving the country, at improving life and information "weather" in Russia. And everything is fine on paper. BUT. UNTIL THERE IS A REAL application of these laws, until there are only threats, there will be no sense! Moreover, the contingent against which the laws will be applied does not accept or understand a different "language". They put Khodorkovsky over there and the oligarchs pressed their ears. And before that they were frolicking, hearty.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 4 January 2014 10: 15
      +3
      Quote: saha471
      Vaughn Khodorkovsky planted and the oligarchs pressed their ears. And before that frolic

      Let him go in peace ... It's time to start the next one for "landing", otherwise the VIP-camera is empty!
    2. varov14
      varov14 4 January 2014 11: 18
      +3
      It was they who only made appearances, but how they robbed Russia they rob it, and r ... where it should work - in the land, restore nature to mother.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 4 January 2014 23: 16
        +2
        Quote: varov14
        It was they who only made appearances, but how they robbed Russia they rob it, and r ... where it should work - in the land, restore nature to mother.


        As they say in France, sitting on one bayonet is taunting. It is from this taunt that the Russophobian elite shies. Yes, her hairy, corrupt hands are strong and muscular, but the thought is already dead, the brain is dying away. To kill, break, cripple, the power is still able. From that and rages - CONVINCING is no longer in power.
        Victory ALWAYS takes place first in the SPIRIT and only then - often with considerable delay - is matter catching up with it. History has strong inertia. Something, having died, having lost the engine, can by pure inertia roll for many more years along the rut. But the fact that this dead is still moving does not at all cancel the fact that it is already dead.
        So the USSR and Soviet ideology died - I remember that. The Soviet industry still stood and gained momentum; armadas of Soviet tanks were still piled up and Soviet troops marched; scientists were still piling up at the institutes, and astronauts flew into space; the USSR anthem in honor of the victory of Soviet athletes was still proudly sounded. There was still, only human faith died, trust in what is being proclaimed the truth. And since then the collapse of the USSR has become only a matter of time. Today we can state: the liberal - democratic ideology of the elite is spiritual dead.
  6. mountain
    mountain 4 January 2014 10: 24
    +3
    Those who are liberals do not even need to be planted, so that there is no reason for politics. To evict them to the countries they promoted, at their own expense.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 January 2014 10: 46
    +9
    Need an ideology. Whoever says whatever, but there is always ideology. Now we have a libero-babloid ideology. And it should be state-patriotic.
    1. Horde
      Horde 4 January 2014 11: 06
      +4
      Quote: Gardamir
      Need an ideology. Whoever says whatever, but there is always ideology. Now we have a libero-babloid ideology. And it should be state-patriotic.


      our ideology is simple HAPNI. HAPNUL is a man, now share it, and now here’s the crust of the United Russia and the place of the State Duma ...
  8. individual
    individual 4 January 2014 10: 49
    +11
    Hmm.
    Human rights activists.
    One gets the feeling that these are renegades of society fed by Western grants and vehemently hating everything that Russia has given them.
    The question is, why, in spite of their subversive work, human rights defenders of our lifestyle have not been created?
    Successful examples include Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of the RT channel, editor-in-chief of the international news agency Rossiya Segodnya, Natalia Narochnitskaya, president of the Historical Perspective Foundation, Victoria Krasheninnikova and her brilliant Institute for Foreign Policy Research and Initiatives.
    Here are three worthy women of Russia standing guard over legal interests, but this is not enough for our vast country.
    Look at the media or the Russian Academy of Sciences, it would seem that this is where the national interests of Russia should be forged, but alas, the "ears" of Western propaganda are growing there.
    1. tennis
      tennis 4 January 2014 11: 07
      +1
      I fully support!
  9. Asgard
    Asgard 4 January 2014 11: 20
    +6
    Main Law
    She looks as follows.
    * Art.282 of the Criminal Code- who sits on it ??? in the Era of "stability" and "patriot" in "power"-Russian and (officers)) !!!
    * A. Navalny-for proven theft, 5 years probation(wrestling Nai-Nai boys)))
    * Putin with his decree withdrew from the Southern Federal District (splits the territory of Russia artificially))) -highlighted the North Caucasus in which Khloponin pursues a policy of squeezing out the Russian population (the representative of the president, by the way)))
    * People who say that nothing if millions of People die (did not fit into the "market")) - and "strangers" always come to free territories ...
    * and 280.1 will be interpreted against the People, who will formulate their demands as something "wrong" .... for example-"FEEL THE CAUCASUS, FEEL IN THE HELP OF" ALAKH "vladimirovich(and We will wash ourselves in blood)) Volgograd, Sochi, Pyatigorsk residents .... as before they endured in Shelkovskaya, Grozny, in sagra, kondopoga, Pugachev .... this law will contribute to the spread of "shriat" in Russia - and you will not say anything -
    On May 9, they hope to "win" the Russian people ... ... by the signed Law on the "integrity of Russia" ....
    paradoxically, but it does not declare "power" - the consequences are strictly OPPOSITE)))))
    right ... guilty and who applies this to us)))))
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 5 January 2014 15: 05
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      Putin, with his decree, withdrew from the Southern Federal District (artificially splits the territory of Russia))) -Selected the North Caucasus in which Khloponin pursues a policy of squeezing out the Russian population (the representative of the president, by the way)))

      Khloponin - Medvedev's henchman (followed by the FPG Norilsk Nickel, Dagovskie yavrei). He is the executor of the state program for settling Wahhabis in the regions of Central Russia)). Is it worth it to run into Putin?)).
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 5 January 2014 15: 30
        +2
        Do you really think that Medvedev INDEPENDENT FIGURE ???????
        It is built into the vertical of the OPG of the Russian Federation, for 4 years "held the place", signed absolutely the same decisions as "vovchik", the only difference is that Vova speaks well with the repeater, and this "dimon" simply burns))))

        But in general, a normal tandem scheme is an unwise person (grazing) = a follower (a smarter level by the club))) - that's when the THIRD-some analogue of the family appears among them ....
        We need to start worrying and "Medvedev" will turn into an INDIVIDUAL **** while "sad g **** o")))))

        The fact is that two are not yet a family (cell)), when a child is born, it is then that it is some kind of social UNIT .... And SO the ideologized UNSTABLE DESIGN OF URIDIANS .... Khloponin-does not pull (so that there are no questions) )))

        And stop writing on the forum that Medvedev is something DIFFERENT from Putin or from the government .... it’s quite a working screw with Timakova’s gasket ...
        "Kabev" has this))) Shoigu)))) and further on the list ....

        Traditional values, as the people said in the "message to the federal assembly"))))
        about a divorce
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        2. atalef
          atalef 5 January 2014 16: 01
          0
          Quote: Asgard
          And stop writing on the forum that Medvedev is something EXCELLENT FROM Putin or from the authorities .... this is quite a working screw with Timakova's gasket ... This is what "Kabev" has))) Shoigu)))) and further according to the list .... Traditional values, as the people said in the "message to the federal assembly

          Of course, I don’t care, but Putin continues to wear a wedding ring. Putin is generally a symbolist, and this is visible in almost all of his photographs and attaches great importance to both the appearance and the atreboutics (not to mention the press service - monitoring the appearance of the president). Therefore, the appearance of a divorced man with a wedding ring on TV is quite an interesting reason.
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 5 January 2014 17: 11
            0
            This is Sasha another ring, on the Internet young people write about "kabaev" I kept thinking - who is he?!?!))))
            It turns out he got married with a gymnast where in Valdai ....

            So the symbol is completely imagined in the ideas of the Orthodox theory and the world type of society))))
            Kobaev
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            2. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 5 January 2014 19: 23
              +1
              Quote: Asgard
              It turns out he got married with a gymnast where in Valdai ....

              And the solemn part is expected:
              (Not mine. Again from Artyom Dragunov)
              Jan 4, 2014
              07:33 pm - A Tale. About Elves, Hobbits and Erebor

              One elf brought news from the reserved forest on the tip of the arrow

              They say in Erebor a wedding. She was moved after the events in Mordor and nearby, but it seems to be for a short while. How the elite people of Middle Earth will gather at the seashore - so immediately. You can see who has access to Sauron’s eye.
              The kings of neighboring states are already there. Even the hobbits ...
              And in the miracle saucer there are leaks ....

              And yes .....
              The Lord’s ring is already on it or soon ....
              And the magic tree just whispered - right after Christmas. As soon as the post ends ....
              And a dynasty will arise and the mountains of treasures will be replenished, and the horse will gallop, but the Dragon will come.

              And then you know ...


              And this is from the comments on this post:
              Is the birth of a monarchist dynasty really?
              artemdragunov - You are an elf. Insightful :)
        3. CTEPX
          CTEPX 5 January 2014 16: 59
          +2
          Quote: Asgard
          Do you really think that Medvedev INDEPENDENT FIGURE ???????

          And where did I write this?)) The fact that he pulled Khloponin does not mean independence at all.
          Another thing is that he has long been obliged by his position not to Putin, but to the exact opposite team.
          Quote: Asgard
          And stop writing on the forum that Medvedev is something DIFFERENT from Putin or from the government ....

          And yet)). TODAY Medvedev and Putin play in different teams. True, Putin is the captain, and Medvedev is the opening act of the other team)).
          It seems to me not to see THIS - you just need not to watch)).
          1. alone
            alone 5 January 2014 17: 04
            +2
            Medvedev plays the role of a lightning rod. In all the negatives, everyone begins to recall Medvedev. And the one who decides everything is beyond suspicion. And yet, if they were in different teams, they would not have kept DA for one day. This is not even a single team, it is a single system .

            You can be calm. In the former republics of the USSR everywhere it is so. Not only in Russia.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 5 January 2014 17: 22
              +3
              Quote: lonely
              Medvedev plays the role of a lightning rod

              Moreover, Medvedev is often forced to play for Putin’s team)). By virtue of mental abilities and by virtue of a certain tightness of eggs. But from this he did not cease to be an active player in ANOTHER, hostile to Russia team. Unlike Putin)). This one plays for Russia.
        4. Ascetic
          Ascetic 5 January 2014 17: 31
          +4
          Quote: Asgard
          it’s quite a working screw with Timakova’s gasket ...


          Ms. Timakova (Budberg) started at the Gusevsky MK, where her future husband Budberg took her. One comrade was closely associated with Chubais and then they worked together for Voloshin.


          Budberg is a member of the board consisting primarily of Zion wise men Institute of Contemporary Development (INSOR), where the chairman is the well-known Igor Yurgens.
          link
          In general, almost all Medvedev’s enthusiasm is the former curators of the Family, through it connected with the Jewish banking clans of the Rothschilds and Budbergs (via Chubais and Voloshin), St. Petersburg classmates from Medvedev, the Chekists of Cherkesov who hate Bortnikov and the Dagestan mountain Jews, Dvorkovich’s protege.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 5 January 2014 17: 52
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            Dagestan mountain Jews protege Dvorkovich.




            The Putin and Medvedev variant is bad-good. The leading-slave is too simple and lies on the surface, if you do not take into account, of course, backstage clans who have real money, power and media resources and who have deeply taken root in Russia and its power structures, then this just the situation in which we are trying to convince us. The same Berezovsky also tried to convince everyone of thisBerezovsky: President Medvedev is just a dwarf and a tablet These backstage clans have been formed for centuries and are also trying to rule the whole world. In Russia, relatively speaking, almost the entire financial sector and economic block, through all these INSORs and the HSE, is controlled by the creations of interest-bearing bankers. This is Medvedev’s team,
            whom we commonly call liberals, and they have nothing to do with liberalism. They only use libertianism as a tool to destroy the state or reduce its role in managing the finances and the economy.
  10. Vadim12
    Vadim12 4 January 2014 11: 20
    +5
    If everything is clear with the external enemies of Russia, calculated at the General Staff (let's hope), then with the internal rats everything is very bad, it is not clear how to get rid of them ...
  11. Arhj
    Arhj 4 January 2014 11: 31
    +8
    In a strange way, in Russia, any renegade leading anti-Russian or anti-social propaganda automatically belongs to human rights defenders. And in order to receive a foreign grant, pouring mud on the country in which you live is a prerequisite.
  12. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 4 January 2014 11: 31
    +3
    After all, the “10% rule” works in any direction, regardless of who uses it for what purposes.

    Oh, I doubt it ... Believing in the bad is much easier than in the good. Especially if the negativity has been pushed into the brains for decades, and a generation has already grown up on this negativity.
    1. saha471
      saha471 4 January 2014 12: 01
      +1
      That's it! You're right. "The bad is easier to believe than the good." So continue to "doubt". And we will do business. Slowly, drop by drop. The stream consists of drops! "Down and Out trouble started!" "The road will be mastered by the walking one." "The road to 1000 li begins with the first step" "the chicken is biting by the grain!" Enough proverbs? Or continue?
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 4 January 2014 18: 07
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail M
      After all, the “10% rule” works in any direction, regardless of who uses it for what purposes.
      Oh, I doubt it ... Believing in the bad is much easier than in the good. Especially if the negativity has been pushed into the brains for decades, and a generation has already grown up on this negativity.


      I also doubt, if only because American society and Russian are different societies. In addition, Russian society historically has a fairly high level of atomization, which is expressed in the presence of several sub-levels of morality (for its own, in general, for leadership, etc.). And the cultural stereotypes of Russian society turn out to be surprisingly tenacious - no matter how law enforcers try to destroy their families, inculcate tolerance for wet-asses and others - well, society does not accept such ideas, and that’s it! So 10% is not for any idea and not for any people.
  13. ZU-23
    ZU-23 4 January 2014 11: 32
    +3
    Over the past two years, their "patriotic" segment has grown and strengthened, gradually getting rid of the marginal image - that's for sure, I remember about 5 years ago such anti-Putin propaganda faded that there were no trolls to hire for this, but now there are only a few hired trolls for money left and they are very easy to spot. And what do I like about youngsters who don’t pay much to the children, too, stand up for Putin, and when they say the gopota begins to support the leader, this is already serious progress in the prosperity of patriotism among the people, and the neutral side will soon be forced to choose the right path. Honestly, there are still plenty of people living in the 90s, they still seem to be on the defensive from the authorities, in some places it is, but you still need to observe the general dynamics of the external and internal political process of Russia.
  14. pensioner
    pensioner 4 January 2014 11: 33
    +3
    for example, a public skepticism about the legitimacy of the Kuril Islands may be interpreted as “doubt on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation” and entail punishment. ”
    But do not hell to express an opinion on issues that do not concern you. Who are you there? Physicist? So go do physics. Historian? Go learn the history of something. In the end, go, turn the bags, Schaub desire ... lost. And, if it’s really puffing, then please: blot out something like this and go ahead to warm up ... There is a choice.
  15. Arhj
    Arhj 4 January 2014 11: 33
    +5
    Perhaps I repeat, but relevant:
    Pusi Wright offered cooperation to Khodorkovsky. Are the girls going to pump oil or will they dance together in the temple?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 4 January 2014 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: Arhj
      Pusi Wright offered cooperation to Khodorkovsky.

      Is it now so asking for money, or what? what The next time it will be necessary for his neighbor to say that he does not ask me for money, but offers cooperation. You look: more ladies ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 4 January 2014 16: 18
        0
        Quote: retired
        The next time it will be necessary for his neighbor to say that he does not ask me for money, but offers cooperation.

        What if a neighbor will accept this proposal NOT AS HOW YOU CALCULATED? request repeat lol laughing
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 4 January 2014 16: 49
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          What if a neighbor will accept this proposal NOT AS HOW YOU CALCULATED?

          Those. repair will offer to do something? what So I do not mind. I myself with horror await the onset of this solemn moment crying What do you mean, huh? repeat
    2. kush62
      kush62 4 January 2014 15: 47
      0
      Are the girls going to pump oil or will they dance together in the temple?

      Most likely in the library ...
  16. Semenov
    Semenov 4 January 2014 11: 46
    +2
    Normal Duma law. Now, according to the Law, you can solder the term Albats with a company from the Higher School of Economics and similar "defenders".
  17. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 4 January 2014 11: 58
    +4
    <<< .... the liquidation of RIA Novosti, the general strengthening of patriotic rhetoric on the Internet - all this for them ("human rights activists") looks extremely alarming. >>>
    It seems that the authorities have finally realized that it is necessary to establish "order" in the media sphere, in which patriotic rhetoric has long given way to libesral market values, that our so-called "independent" media, apparently, are independent only from serving Russia and do not work in her interests!
  18. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 4 January 2014 12: 00
    +4
    Conclusion, there should be as many oppositionists as in nature naturally twisted by sexual orientation — much less than 10%. There shouldn’t be a total of 0, there should be indicative jocks, social outcasts. So that their crazy ideas and thoughts cause normal rejection, immunization in a healthy society .
  19. Boris63
    Boris63 4 January 2014 12: 14
    +1
    It was high time to "tame" these Western lures. Yes, now they will again start "yelling" that freedom of speech is being violated - so send them to the USA or Europe and let them try to "broadcast" about their separation.
    The time frame would be longer for such "propaganda" that sometimes the brain would be turned on, and not just dollars would "spin" in the eyes.
    Trolls "spread rot".
  20. alone
    alone 4 January 2014 12: 25
    +5
    The law as a law. It was necessary to adopt it long ago. Even in the 90s, when separatists walked around the USSR, ruining the country. But it wasn’t before that, they screamed at the Sovereignty tanks. Well, now if they ratify, there will be less talk.
  21. pensioner
    pensioner 4 January 2014 12: 40
    +5
    Human rights defenders excited

    In general: what kind of profession is this, a human rights activist ?? what And what are their professional ranks and levels? Where do professional levels improve, qualifications are confirmed? I understand that nowhere. So whom bolt do they occupy on the air and in the print place ??? We have media that: a zone of non-professionals, or what ??
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 4 January 2014 17: 42
      +1
      Quote: retired
      Where do professional levels increase, qualifications are confirmed? I understand that nowhere.


      You are wrong. The human rights community has numerous advanced training courses. Starting from grant activities of the European Union in Russia (read the topic of grants for interest) and ending with direct invitations for the Open Society programs and the like. This is a highly developed and active structure, and we cannot do with one law.
      Although, after the amendments to the law on NPOs (about foreign agents) and the cutting off of financing, including the closure of USAID, ears became too big.
  22. Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 4 January 2014 12: 42
    +5
    Hmm ... The law on "violation of the territorial integrity of Russia." What if I think that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians should live in one state? Will I be punished?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 4 January 2014 14: 41
      +5
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      And if I consider that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians should live in one state? Will I be punished?
      Aha yes Order: "Merit to the Fatherland" ... repeat
  23. Irokez
    Irokez 4 January 2014 13: 23
    +5
    Quote: Andrey from Tver
    Hmm ... The law on "violation of the territorial integrity of Russia." What if I think that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians should live in one state? Will I be punished?

    I hope no. Especially if you do not squander our lands, but collect, for example, return Alaska and unite all the countries in which the Slavs live (even Polish ones).
    In general, I myself once thought about how the minority controls and imposes its will on the majority. The point is not even 10%, but that.
    In a democratic society (that is, the power of the people), as it were, they decided on the basis of the majority of voters, and it seemed like it was right, but what happens right now when the minority obviously needs to control the majority? So they introduced such a concept as "Tolerance" and "Citizens' Rights".
    Tolerance is mainly so that they do not interfere and do not oppose the minority, and "Prava Grazdan" is for allowing any minority (even an individual who is chipped) to do what he wants in spite of the majority. And note that all the media indulge precisely the tolerant minority propagandizing their perverted values, but hiding behind freedom and the right to live as they want. And no one raises the question that by their actions they simply infringe on the rights and values ​​of the overwhelming majority and attack their freedoms and values, and all the media bought by the minority and the money-bags are silent about the rights of the majority and shout about the infringement of the rights of the minority.
    Citizens, until we defend the rights of the majority, will bite us and eat the minority one by one. Be vigilant and jealously defend your rights and values ​​worked out over the centuries by our mothers and fathers, grandfathers and grandmothers, and we descendants should not leave the true path of human development.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 4 January 2014 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: Irokez
      unite all the countries in which the Slavs live (even Polish).

      It's easy for you to say, but if you turn to the "experience" of Ukraine, where the Galician Polish-Romanian-Madyarsk minority "muddies the waters", and then I think you DARKLY reluctance to unite with such "brothers"

      About the picture: Torchlight procession in the center of Kiev, dedicated to 105 anniversary of the birth of S. Bandera.
      P \ S: You SUCH want to "combine"?
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 4 January 2014 15: 33
        +2
        So it turns out to leave everyone even lost and live apart?
        The enemy disconnects us and sets us against each other, and we must unite in contrast and teach those who have stumbled to the mind.
        I understand perfectly everything how the situation with Bendera and the like is there in Ukraine and how Russophobia is bred in Poland. But this is propaganda and it must also be used in the values ​​of the Slavic true culture.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 5 January 2014 04: 18
          +1
          Quote: Irokez
          So it turns out to leave everyone even lost and live apart?

          Ukraine, if you do not believe, brotherly people, but you suggested
          unite all the countries in which the Slavs live (even Polish).

          Poland NEVER throughout the whole history was not a friend of Russia, and only a small part of it, the Polish Army formed in the USSR, in view of the GENERAL GOAL was a true ally.

          HOW do you see the process of Poland joining an alliance with Russia?
          As for me, this task is utopian ...
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 January 2014 13: 26
    +4
    I would also add to the law. If it was blurted out by an official, a ban on holding a position in government agencies. If a scientist or other figure is to deprive in a stroke of all awards and regalia with titles. But I'm only afraid that it will be here as with the notorious 282nd, "Russian" article. When they plant only Russians, Slavs on it.
  25. Gronsky
    Gronsky 4 January 2014 13: 55
    +6
    The article is correct, thanks to the author.
    Explanatory propaganda, weapons are extremely effective.
    But only sensible, and not thoroughly capricious. We need to work with people honestly, openly, recognizing the problems, but at the same time defining a clear position on their solution and not detracting from our ability to deal with everything.
    A bad example of stupid propaganda is the site "made by us". It seems that they are trying for the good, but how they do it. After half an hour, even just reading it becomes disgusting. Strictly according to the saying "make the fool pray to God ..."
    But to the wording of the title of Section 280.1 of the Law, I would add "for publicly expressing doubts about the territorial integrity of the state and the inviolability of its borders, for initiating discussions on the territorial integrity of the state"
    Because there may not be any direct calls for violation of territorial integrity, but smearing the snot on a topic needs territory-is unnecessary, it is worth feeding, it is not worth it, a happy owner or a negligent, universal property is not universal, it may be in abundance.
    In the state there should be concepts-sacred cows. Like the Jewish Holocaust.
    In Russia, this is 1. Territorial integrity.
    2. The inviolability and equal respect for the TRADITIONAL (not surrogate) religious movements.
    3. Victory in the Great Patriotic War and recognition of the dominant role of the USSR
    and Russia, as the legal successor, in the Second World War.
    This is offhand. If you think about, a dozen more postulates typed.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 5 January 2014 18: 47
      -3
      Quote: Gronsky
      with a dozen postulates typed.
      It is better to stop, otherwise how not to overdo it with the number of "postulates". sad
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 6 January 2014 00: 29
        0
        Yeah .... Here's another "client". Well, well, develop your idea, open up so to speak in all its glory.
  26. Volkhov
    Volkhov 4 January 2014 15: 15
    +2
    The issue of separatism is important and should be put on a scientific basis - what was originally and what was separated by what means.
    The Russian Federation is the heir to the USSR, RI, and earlier, Hyperboreans and Biarmia (Barmia), destroyed by cometary strikes and since the spirit of the indigenous inhabitants was forced to occupy the bodies of polar bears, consultations on fundamental issues of land management should be held with them - officials wishing to change borders should be sent for discussion with the incarnations of the Ancients, who subtly feel true intentions and are able to help develop patriotism.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 4 January 2014 15: 18
      +2
      Ball after the explosion of a comet over Hyperborea (ZFI).
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 4 January 2014 15: 21
      +1
      And this is Barmia - people lived there large, in modern spirit does not fit, so many are in bears.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 4 January 2014 15: 29
      +6
      Quote: Volkhov
      then consultations on fundamental issues of land management should be held with them - officials wishing to change boundaries should be sent for discussion with incarnations of the Ancients, who subtly feel true intentions and are able to help develop patriotism.

      I’ll somehow agree with this statement lol (the bears are really worthy of respect) BUT YOU WILL CHANGE THE GRAVE ...
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 4 January 2014 15: 48
        +3
        The grass (if it was in it) is still better than the propaganda silo that trolls feed and chew it forever, but a joke is a joke ...
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 4 January 2014 15: 56
          +1
          Quote: Volkhov
          and as a joke, share a joke ...

          Your "jokes" bring me to the boil over the remnants of the brain ...
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 4 January 2014 15: 59
            +2
            It (the brain) is so activated - like a steam room, but then like a new one.
  27. blizart
    blizart 4 January 2014 15: 28
    +3
    There are fewer bad people, but they are better organized. L.N. Tolstoy
  28. georg737577
    georg737577 4 January 2014 15: 38
    0
    [quote = Ascetic] And until then, under the conditions of this war, the vast majority of citizens do not understand the uncontested importance of the unity of the state and society, such laws will be necessary to limit the hostile information flow [/ quo

    If you have to impose any doctrine of power by force, this is a sign of the weakness of power and the absence of any other effective arguments.
  29. Irokez
    Irokez 4 January 2014 15: 41
    +2
    Quote: Volkhov
    And this is Barmia - people lived there large, in modern spirit does not fit, so many in bears

    Ariev also heard about Hyperbaria, but for the first time, a honest word about Barmia. How does this not fit in modern people?
    Soul, Spirit is a very subtle body that can be in any physical bodies permeating them and so on. Getting around and being in such a state can be anywhere.
    Bears are animals without a spirit, while all living creatures have a soul, and only sentient beings have a spirit — people, for example, can be assumed in dolphins (whales) if we consider that they are a parallel civilization to us.
    In the end, in the Snowy (forest) people (Etti, Big Foot).
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 4 January 2014 15: 56
      +1
      This is a gamma - the shadow of the leader of Barmia (Kola Peninsula) - a comet explosion of a man sitting on a throne on a nearby rock - sitting 70 meters, standing height - about 100 meters. At the time of death, he defended the country - he shot lightning at a comet.
      It is unlikely to fit in the average layman.
      1. Angry reader
        Angry reader 4 January 2014 17: 10
        0
        did you send a parcel from California?))))
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 5 January 2014 18: 08
          0
          Quote: Angry Reader
          did you send a parcel from California?))))

          From the Chuy valley! wink
      2. dengy12
        dengy12 5 January 2014 21: 35
        0
        Quote: Volkhov
        This is a gamma - the shadow of the leader of Barmia (Kola Peninsula) - a comet explosion of a man sitting on a throne on a nearby rock - sitting 70 meters, standing height - about 100 meters. At the time of death, he defended the country - he shot lightning at a comet.
        It is unlikely to fit in the average layman.

        This is shozh. Do you smoke ???? belay
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 6 January 2014 22: 19
          0
          Just zoom in on the photo ...
          step by step: right-click on the photo - open the image in a separate tab,
          - scale of 250%
          - and the structure of the skull, eye sockets and much more is visible ...
          One difficulty - you have to be sighted, sober and not stick out - such units have to be sought for years.
  30. BB2117
    BB2117 4 January 2014 17: 54
    +1
    Quote: Volkhov
    This gamma is the shadow of the leader of Barmia (Kola Peninsula).

    This image of Kuyva on a rock on Lake Seydyavr (Seydozero), 74 meters high, is of plant origin, namely, it is formed from unicellular mushrooms and microcolonial algae: http://www.murman.ru/news/?d=28-11-2013_18:09
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 4 January 2014 18: 35
      -1
      Quote: BB2117
      This image of Kuyva on a rock on Lake Seydyavr (Seydozero), 74 meters high, is of plant origin, namely, it is formed from unicellular mushrooms and microcolonial algae: http://www.murman.ru/news/?d=28-11-2013_18:09

      These explanations are well illustrated in Men in Black - THE LIGHT OF VENUS REFLECTED FROM THE MOON ... - how did the algae draw an X-ray of the skull and everything else, built roads and tunnels? Although mushrooms grow there.
      In Russian tales, this is the Great Rod, the elder God.
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 5 January 2014 18: 55
      0
      Quote: BB2117
      formed from unicellular fungi and microcolonial algae
      There are many such "images" in Altai.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 6 January 2014 22: 21
        0
        All centers of civilizations bombed, everywhere molten stone and atomic shadows.
  31. vvp2412
    vvp2412 4 January 2014 18: 23
    +1
    The author is absolutely right. I’ve been doing this since 2011, when the comprador disinformation began to pour out of mine!

    The same thing was noted by 4 ne de ra sta-comprador!
  32. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 4 January 2014 19: 04
    +1
    any, including scientific, discussions about regional politics, about the separation or accession of the territories of the Russian Federation, and even about adjusting borders are criminalized.

    There can be no scientific articles on this subject by definition (on borders); they are always political. Everyone should know this, even du.rak should know this (so that they would not include it). The law is correct in any way, a little.
  33. konvalval
    konvalval 4 January 2014 19: 20
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    It was high time to pass the law .. They scratch each other in front of each other. (They pour mud on Russia) Now, before they blurt out something, let them think ...

    Yes, they are not painted in front of each other, but work out before the Western masters.
  34. fedora
    fedora 4 January 2014 19: 58
    +2
    Russia needs this law and will significantly strengthen its statehood !!!
  35. Megre
    Megre 4 January 2014 21: 20
    +3
    And who said that we obey the laws? Serdyukov, probably ....
    1. Megre
      Megre 4 January 2014 21: 38
      0
      What is the use of laws if they are not enforced?
  36. dropout
    dropout 4 January 2014 22: 59
    +4
    Whoever does prayer honors the people and the King,
    in whom neither conscience nor mind staggers
    who under the hail slander
    Russia saves from troubles
    That one is called the Black Hundred!
  37. Sergf
    Sergf 4 January 2014 23: 45
    -5
    The answer to the question is very simple. A minority convinces the majority on the Internet because their beliefs are built on the truth. From the fact that someone will collect 10% of liars, nothing will change except the ways of presenting information that will become even more truthful and will give even deeper information.
  38. Irokez
    Irokez 5 January 2014 00: 07
    +2
    Quote: Sergf
    The answer to the question is very simple. A minority convinces the majority on the Internet because their beliefs are built on the truth. From the fact that someone will collect 10% of liars, nothing will change except the ways of presenting information that will become even more truthful and will give even deeper information.

    Even I did not understand you. If ten people see that the sun is rising and nine of them say it is morning, and the only one says that it is sunset, do you think you should believe this one?
    You, my friend, must have expressed yourself incorrectly, or you are the next and newfound tolerance of the Geyropovsky LeBarolism, where they preach the legitimacy of the majority, but try to screw the laws in minority.
    So it comes to the point that one in the minority alone will build the majority (and this is the dictatorship of the knowers).
    This is how you can reach true democracy like in Greece. There is a free people voting and a king, and everything else is slaves doing all the work, but then there is "Demos" and this democracy of antiquity where everyone is equal.
    1. Sergf
      Sergf 5 January 2014 00: 40
      +1
      Quote: Irokez
      Even I did not understand you. If ten people see that the sun is rising and nine of them say it is morning, and the only one says that it is sunset, do you think you should believe this one?
      You, my friend, must have expressed yourself incorrectly, or you are the next and newfound tolerance of the Geyropovsky LeBarolism, where they preach the legitimacy of the majority, but try to screw the laws in minority.
      So it comes to the point that one in the minority alone will build the majority (and this is the dictatorship of the knowers).
      This is how you can reach true democracy like in Greece. There is a free people voting and a king, and everything else is slaves doing all the work, but then there is "Demos" and this democracy of antiquity where everyone is equal.


      And what is there to understand. Whoever is true is stronger. You talk about what you have no idea. This can be seen in the text imposed on you and not meaningful. I’m just a reader, I don’t belong to the exterminating camps.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 5 January 2014 12: 41
        +3
        With regard to sunrise and sunset, everyone has a concept, and if you start to replace concepts, then this is not true.
        Of course, each person has his own concepts that are always somewhat different from the rest, even if they are all for one, but not so much that the concepts should merge, which is completely the opposite.
        Or do you want to say that people do children wrong because they do not know the truth, but homosexuals and pink-cheeked people do everything right because they know the truth.
        If you are just a reader and do not consider yourself a camp, then you are just a neutral person in all respects. But then you do not need to post here because your posts already take you in some direction. In general, neutrals are potential fanatics in the future if they believe one of the parties and it will be difficult to convince them of anything. Neutral - those who do not have an opinion or are afraid to express it or who are embarrassed, but then they need to be deprived of the right to vote in the elections because they do not have their own position and do not participate in the life of the country and simply go with the flow. So, if the current picks them up, then without knowing it they themselves will take part in some kind of adventure and sometimes anti-state, but they will think that they are doing a useful thing. Sometimes neutral and wavering - this is cannon fodder. There are no neutrals in the war - that’s why you already decide on your position (since you know how much you said) and take part in the good of the Homeland, protect it from the global virus of democracy (the one that is now imposing itself on us in the global world as a resource-supplying appendage country) and do not let spirituality drop for the minority is trying to impose new spiritual values ​​on us and share our knowledge (only true) in order to open our eyes.
        Do not think that I am running into you specifically, just when the country is on the verge of choosing the path of development, many fish and meat, and when asked which direction to move, they say, “I don’t know,” Tobish does not matter. It will be roughly said, but it turns out "Herd" for slaughter - either for slaughter or on a green field or on a green field.
        1. Sergf
          Sergf 5 January 2014 17: 08
          -3
          Quote: Irokez
          Or do you want to say that people do children wrong because they do not know the truth, but homosexuals and pink-cheeked people do everything right because they know the truth.


          I already wrote to you, you do not understand the elementary things you are talking about. First you need to understand that "homosexuals" as you put it, are born, not become. Those figures whose opinion you support will never tell you this, because this will deprive them of one of the most precious trump cards, which are almost zero.

          Quote: Irokez
          If you are just a reader and do not consider yourself a camp, then you are just a neutral person in all respects. But then you do not need to post here because your posts already take you in some direction.


          There is only one side, and as if someone did not want to, it will remain it. People supporting other people's interests, allowing themselves to be deceived in order to be in one of two heaps, do not understand this. They do not know how and do not want to think.

          Quote: Irokez
          In general, neutrals are potential fanatics in the future if they believe one of the parties and it will be difficult to convince them of anything. Neutral - those who do not have an opinion or are afraid to express it or who are embarrassed, but then they need to be deprived of the right to vote in the elections because they do not have their own position and do not participate in the life of the country and simply go with the flow. So, if the current picks them up, then without knowing it they themselves will take part in some kind of adventure and sometimes anti-state, but they will think that they are doing a useful thing.


          Yet again. You did not give me life and it is not for you to decide how I will live it. Fascism smacks of

          Quote: Irokez
          Sometimes neutral and wavering - this is cannon fodder. There are no neutrals in the war - that’s why you already decide on your position (since you know how much you said) and take part in the good of the Homeland, protect it from the global virus of democracy (the one that is now imposing itself on us in the global world as a resource-supplying appendage country) and do not let spirituality drop for the minority is trying to impose new spiritual values ​​on us and share our knowledge (only true) in order to open our eyes.


          The cannon fodder was exactly those who supported someone and his ideas, for which they go to death. I have long decided on my position. I do not see myself with herds of stupid sheep. All these threats of yours exist only in your head, in another camp, other threats. But the main thing is to pit your foreheads with each other. Both positions are losing, the puppeteer will win as always, and then he will be in chocolate. And you are in the next world.

          Quote: Irokez
          Do not think that I am running into you specifically, just when the country is on the verge of choosing the path of development, many fish and meat, and when asked which direction to move, they say, “I don’t know,” Tobish does not matter. It will be roughly said, but it turns out "Herd" for slaughter - either for slaughter or on a green field or on a green field.


          Are you a slave or something, I don't understand? "They will say", "they will order" ... Don't tell me.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 5 January 2014 21: 04
            +1
            Actually, some strange thoughts like the one you deny the need for the struggle of opposites and it seems you advocate that you don’t need to do anything, like it will settle down (like anarchy), but for now I'll watch and wait. So after all, if you do nothing and just observe (like everything according to the will of God), you can slide down to the primitive level of development and thinking.
            Higher forces are fighting in other worlds, and we people (in the image and likeness of co-creators because in its image and likeness are created) must fight on earth in the material world, upholding and promoting the laws of nature and space if you want.
            Only animals can do nothing and live purely by instinct, but people have a Spirit and we are not robots not sheep living according to the program and instincts. Although in our time we have brought mankind to an animal level of consumption and instincts, turning off many brains.
            As you write, you are born into homosexuals, but I affirm that they become and if you place a person in a wolf pack from birth, he will surely not assure you a fagot. And all this infection is treated by the way (ask psychiatrists) and in the process of human growth and upbringing, he receives information that affects his worldview and develops certain abilities, but the abilities are given at the genetic level and can either be developed further or simply not used . Another example is if a person has not heard or seen something, then he will never know (unless they tell or show) and will not use it, and this applies to everything and to emotions too.
            You write here that you have long decided on your position well, and it’s that it’s not one of the parties that you joined (for example, the non-aligned movement) and you consider yourself now not deceived and rational, and responsible to society, but how true your worldview is in you cannot say at the moment because you do not know everything that is happening one hundred percent. And what is happening is the influence of people, theories, religions and teachings on our lives and a lot of things do not happen spontaneously and not by chance, but on someone’s idea and thoughts and, by the way, thoughts can also come from outside worlds as well as some desires or emotions, and everything can be interpreted as some control and influence from outside, but with our own hands.
            But sooner or later you will have to decide on the side of life or jump from side to side, that is, to swim along the currents of different rivers.
    2. CHILD
      CHILD 5 January 2014 12: 52
      0
      These are all the ideas that rule the world ... those who have brighter and followed)))))) and those or other social forms of government just reflect the ideas embodied and victorious ...
  39. sashka
    sashka 5 January 2014 07: 13
    +5
    > Such actions will be punished with a fine of up to 300 thousand rubles or in the amount of two years' income of the convicted person, compulsory labor for up to 300 hours, or for up to three years in prison.

    Our laws are stupid. The punishment should be specific and not "either-or". and start from the top bar. Then everyone will immediately become "equal" without any statuses.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 5 January 2014 13: 03
      +2
      Quote: Sasha
      Our laws are stupid. The punishment should be specific and not "either-or". and start from the top bar. Then everyone will immediately become "equal" without any statuses.

      Well, for a mere mortal - this is already a lot, but for politicians and all kinds of publicists everything should be much stricter.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 5 January 2014 20: 44
        0
        Quote: Irokez
        but for politicians and all kinds of publicists everything should be much stricter.

        Exactly! "According to Senka and a hat"!
  40. Evgenij.
    Evgenij. 5 January 2014 10: 19
    0
    the author of cool videos makes "Russia Forward", Faberlik sponsors
  41. CHILD
    CHILD 5 January 2014 12: 34
    0
    ... an interesting article)))) but talking about 10% as far as I understand is not entirely correct ..... the remaining 90 have their own opinion, and then the authorities also ... it’s bad when you can’t hear besides the opinions of ten others) ))) and counter propaganda must be conducted .... the battle for the mind does not stop)))) just to figure out what to propagandize ....
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 5 January 2014 15: 12
      0
      Quote: KIND
      but talking about 10% as far as I understand is not entirely correct ..... the remaining 90 have their own opinion,

      We are talking about the effect of the "hundredth monkey", people do not differ in this regard, and thus they fool us on a scientific basis. From the moment of the onset of the effect, this "experience" becomes the property of the collective subconscious and affects us, there is only one way out to deliberately debunk these myths by correcting delusions in the subconscious.
  42. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 5 January 2014 14: 37
    0
    The right and right law! Shut up black mouths. And then, perhaps the adoption of the law on unscrewing heads, where are these black mouths.
  43. I'm Russian
    I'm Russian 5 January 2014 16: 44
    +1
    So there is also anti-Russian article 282 of the UKRF. And now that - it is impossible to use "Russian" ... and why be surprised if the slogan "RUSSIAN MEANS SOBER" was recognized by the Novosibirsk District Court as extremist?
  44. Borus017
    Borus017 5 January 2014 16: 45
    0
    Competent good article. I agree with the position, BUT. Everything seems to be right, but there is little trouble. Gagging the enemy during the discussion is of course a historically justified decision, but rarely led to positive results in the long run. 10% speak? So if 10% of patriots with facts in their hands convincingly show their remaining position to the rest of the citizens through the media and the Internet, then everything will become good at once (and the personnel will go into the bright future of the bathhouse). But no. Shut up the treba. The law is done, with punishments. Afraid of criticism? Are smarts not needed? As in chess - we cannot win like a board in the face of an opponent. Can we still learn to play chess?
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 5 January 2014 17: 14
      -1
      Now the transition from propaganda fraud (luring to a military slaughter) to skinning (active war for the interests of others) is just brewing, and gagging is technologically necessary - if those who approach the slaughter hear the screams of those who have got there, then they will start to rest and try to escape ... and why unnecessary difficulties knife and ax workers?
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 5 January 2014 20: 46
      -1
      Quote: Borus017
      Maybe we’ll learn to play chess

      Or maybe better: "business time, fun hour"?
  45. PPL
    PPL 5 January 2014 17: 11
    0
    Therefore, along with bans, you need to play your own game. Yes, by the same methods as our opponents, for there are no others on this front. After all, the “10% rule” works in any direction, no matter who uses it for what purpose.

    So who is interfering? Once again, or still no one? But the author has an answer:
    ... we need several specialists, a pool of paid “opinion leaders”, and knowledge of the elementary laws of disseminating information. Plus, of course, money for massive media bombing ...

    Does the state really have none of this? I doubt it lol The recent appointment of Kiselyov is proof of this.
    Or maybe the author decided to offer his services ... good
  46. lyu195231
    lyu195231 5 January 2014 19: 45
    0
    A very good article. For a long time it was necessary to adopt such a law, but better late than never ... good
  47. Patriot.ru.
    Patriot.ru. 5 January 2014 20: 21
    0
    When I hear that the State Duma adopted another law, my hair stands on end. And this one goes there too. I had a workmate, an embittered man, his wife kicked him out of the house, he spent the night on ships with friends and went to work in the morning. Once at a meeting, he said that our chief, a member of the CPSU, “it's a pity that the Nazis did not kill you in the war.” The chief wrote a statement to the KGB, they dragged us all there for a long time, they asked questions. I said that I fell asleep and did not hear anything. As a result, he was given 5 years settlements in the Jewish Autonomous Okrug (Jewish Autonomous District), the capital of Birobidzhan. I have not heard anything else about it. The article was called "For inciting war" but I don’t remember exactly
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 5 January 2014 20: 50
      0
      Quote: Patriot.ru.
      So once at a meeting he said that our chief, a member of the CPSU, "it's a pity that the Nazis didn't kill you in the war."

      So here is the article as a whole on how to filter the bazaar! Filter correctly ...
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 5 January 2014 21: 18
        0
        It’s one thing, my workmate is different, all these liberals who don’t care what to give back.
  48. hawk
    hawk 5 January 2014 22: 36
    +1
    Quote: ctepx
    Quote: From the article
    However, the neutral user accidentally meets another user who unexpectedly responds sharply negatively

    Quote: From the article
    Faithful "fanatics" users begin to independently seek her confirmation and distribute them violently

    Quote: Civil
    Well, yes, yes ... God forbid, the Khanty or there Mansi want oil towers together with independence to tidy themselves ..

    Sorry for the curiosity, in this situation, will you classify yourself as the first ones mentioned in the article, or the second?))

    That is, you are for the Communists ali for the Bolsheviks? Just do not forget that the Giant of information wars is on clay feet. Everything will collapse at a local verified failure of energy supply for a couple of days.
  49. samoletil18
    samoletil18 5 January 2014 23: 22
    +1
    About 10%: this is a sentence to the education system in the country. 10% of Egyptians and 10% of USSR citizens of the 1990 model (even with residents of the Caucasus and Central Asia) are very different categories of intellectual development. : 1991 referendum on the preservation of the USSR. Moreover, at that time everyone scooped up information from sources, either causing distrust and general rejection (official) and extremely popular, but not always true (supposedly democratic), and this taking into account the ascension to heaven of all kinds of dissidents and others (greedy or mentally abnormal), giving them every opportunity to broadcast whatever they like.
    In the network you can always find the opposite of the desired, in contrast to the period mentioned above. But this is important in a society where the ratio of intellectually developed people and people living is not without passionarity with the gray mass, sharpened either for enrichment or for base dreams, as in that (great) country. Our population has been debilitated for 20 years, according to the Americans, on the necessary 10% of people who spoke bluntly to influence life.
    About the mentally abnormal: I was a doctor and psychiatry at the institute.