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Mikhail Khazin: “The economic growth of Europe is largely drawn”

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Mikhail Khazin: “The economic growth of Europe is largely drawn”Can the current economic crisis be called the longest stories and is the EU economy expected to grow in 2014? A well-known economist and publicist Mikhail Khazin gave his forecast for our Company.


- This crisis can not be called the longest. Here you need to be very careful in the wording. The fact is that structural crises have two components. First - a sharp decline, then - a long depression. And in this sense, for example, the decline of the beginning of the 30-s of the 20-th century lasted somewhere from the spring of the 1930-th to the end of the 1932-th year. That is, 2 and a half years. But the depression then lasted 10 years!

If we count them together, then the current crisis is not the longest yet. But if we count the “falling” part, then, of course, it is very long. Because it is very stretched. If in the 2008 year, the United States of America had not started a furious emission, then the decline would have ended. And we would go to the normal depressive component. And accordingly, today we have this very recession, which is constantly compensated by emissions. And at the same time, due to the deepening of its bottom, which is not yet visible, this, of course, is bad from the point of view of the results.

But for today's European leaders, the main thing is that there is no rapid decline. And they are trying at any cost to give the situation some optimism. And accordingly, to portray that there is no recession. It turns out they have a bad. Because unemployment is growing. Economic growth, to put it mildly, is not very convincing - largely drawn, largely stimulated by emissions. But you understand, when you print money, they still get out somewhere in the form of profit! It seems that this is economic growth. In fact, this is not a growth, but a redistribution of emission money. In this sense, I do not see any optimism for Europe.

But the situation there is further deteriorating due to the growing internal political conflicts between individual subjects of the European Union. Due to the banal reason that some of the functions they already have in common. For example, the labor market. A vote is by region. And, accordingly, the current politicians do not like it that the unemployed are voting against them, while their workplaces are occupied by representatives of other EU countries. In this sense, Britain has already announced that it will expel any Poles, Balts from its territory. Not yet expelled, but soon expelled. The same will happen in other countries.

- And what economic factor has the greatest impact on the crisis?

- Drop in demand. In Europe, due to the growth of public debt, there were very powerful subsidies to consumers. Today it is already clear that it is impossible to keep subsidies at this level.

- Is it possible to call Europe’s attempt to get closer to Ukraine a desire to expand its market in order to somehow overcome the crisis?

- Partially. I would say a little differently - this is an attempt by Europe to extend a positive, which in recent years has not been associated exclusively with mechanical expansion. And how to portray that no, all these positive processes are continuing. The attempt is extremely unsuccessful. And it is already clear that there is still no positive, and there will not be either for Ukraine or for Europe. And if the market had become common, it would have been an economic disaster for Ukrainians. And these would be certain problems for the European Union. But individual participants would, yes, get an additional market.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 4 January 2014 09: 39
    +17
    I agree with the author. Europe is now roughly in the same position as Moscow and some other cities in Russia. The prevalence of guest workers has led to a drop in the standard of living of many, but at the same time, increased income for some. Tajiks in Europe (such as Poles and other new Europeans) have become goats absolution. Who agrees to live worse than living voluntarily? Probably no one ...
    It seems to me that events are now brewing that can fundamentally change the European political map. If the EU persists, member governments will pass laws that severely restrict the freedoms of citizens. And this could lead to a social explosion ... The EU is either disintegrating or to a fundamental change in the principles of the union itself.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 January 2014 10: 24
      +11
      Quote: ...
      the situation there worsens further due to the growth of internal political conflicts between individual subjects of the European Union


      I like that Europe has proposed Ukraine for European integration - to resettle all the gypsies from the EU countries. The corresponding decree was signed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
      Decree N 201 of April 8 2013 of the year. Here is the full text of the document.
      For those who do not own mov, we translate into Russian:

      In order to create appropriate conditions for the protection and integration of representatives of the Roma national minority into Ukrainian society, ensuring equal opportunities for them to participate in the socio-economic and cultural life of the state, I decide:

      1. To approve the Strategy of protection and integration into the Ukrainian society of the Roma national minority for the period until 2020 (attached).

      2. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine to approve, within six months, an action plan for the implementation of the Strategy approved by this Decree.

      3. The decree shall enter into force on the day of its publication.


      France, Germany, Britain, Finland, and others as they can deport the gypsies who have never worked, and now a solution has been found, Ukraine !!! Take drugs and beggars from all over Europe

      This is how East European gypsies live
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      2. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        The corresponding decree was signed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

        Come on! I do not believe you!
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 4 January 2014 19: 12
          +9
          how Negroes live (not Afro-Europeans. I'm sorry, I'm used to calling things by their proper names), in particular in Berlin I saw darkness myself, I have never seen such a srach.
          The same is true of other nationalities.
        2. samoletil18
          samoletil18 6 January 2014 02: 27
          0
          Quote: Mature Naturalist
          Mature naturalist RU January 4, 2014 10:54 ↑

          Quote: Vadivak
          The corresponding decree was signed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

          And our law on the fight against extremism? Or a one-way border agreement for illegal migrants?
      3. VadimSt
        VadimSt 4 January 2014 12: 21
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        I like that Europe has proposed Ukraine for European integration - to resettle all the gypsies from the EU countries. The corresponding decree was signed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
        Decree N 201 of April 8 2013 of the year. Here is the full text of the document.
        For those who do not own mov, we translate into Russian:

        Yes, do not turn you from head to foot! Cool off!
        If Putin signs the Decree, the main task of which will be certification, employment, education and protecting the health of the Sakha people, I hope you do not shout that Putin is preparing to accept all Aleuts from the USA and Canada!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 4 January 2014 15: 49
          +10
          Quote: VadimSt
          If Putin signs the Decree, the main task of which will be certification, employment, education and health protection of the Sakha people,

          You are not in the subject, look at the search engine

          The Yanukovych’s Decree and the “strategy” attached to it are not about “Gypsies” of their own, who are many in Ukraine, but about hundreds of thousands of “Roma minorities” who now live in the EU countries and where they want to remove them at all costs.

          Gypsies with scandal are deported from France, kicked from Romania, kicked out of Finland anywhere. Hungary, where gypsies make up 10-12% of the population, is already on the verge of a social explosion. And even the humble Czech Republic and Slovakia with a hint of tantrum ultimately demand from the EU leadership a final solution to the "gypsy issue."

          And only Ukraine, which is not a member of the EU, but really wants to, at the insistent requests of Brussels approved the "strategy for the protection and integration of Roma in Ukrainian society" in order to preserve their "unique culture and identity."

          It must be understood that Europe that is tolerant and politically correct to senility must be very much reached so that it engages in the actual deportation of a nation. Arabs and Africans are tolerated there, but the gypsies decided to send to hell.

          Maybe the fact is that the “unique distinctive culture” of Roma people includes not only guitar songs and dances with tambourines, but also a penchant for criminal ways to get food. From fraud and theft to drug trafficking.

          Now the carriers of this wonderful “identity” will migrate to Ukraine. Where they are promised all kinds of support for speedy integration.
      4. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 4 January 2014 12: 33
        +1
        it's about Romanians or something, they were already allowed to go to Great Britain, sweeping yards, it’s true on bird rights.
      5. AVV
        AVV 4 January 2014 14: 25
        +5
        Yes, Europe’s strong move is to get rid of Roma and drugs and expand their market !!! I already wrote that the next demand from the European Union will be to protect the rights of non-traditional minorities in Ukraine !!! We have found a large territory for garbage from all over Europe! Europe also plans to arrange a landfill for nuclear waste on the territory of Chernobyl from all over the European Union, they care about their ecology !!!
      6. oaziss
        oaziss 4 January 2014 15: 05
        -3
        Quote: Vadivak
        I like what Europe offered Ukraine for European integration - resettle all gypsies from EU countries.

        Nonsense is complete .... I wonder why you are perverting the facts?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 4 January 2014 15: 54
          +1
          Quote: oaziss
          Nonsense is complete .... I wonder why you are perverting the facts?


          I'm perverting? Be careful with the words

          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1137640&cid=5
          1. oaziss
            oaziss 5 January 2014 14: 20
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: oaziss
            Nonsense is complete .... I wonder why you are perverting the facts?


            I'm perverting? Be careful with the words

            http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1137640&cid=5
            And this is not a perversion in your opinion?
            I like what Europe offered Ukraine for European integration - resettle all gypsies from EU countries.

            Yes, pervert. Read Decree N 201 of April 8, 2013 and find at least a line that Ukraine will accept all (or part) of the Gypsies from the European Union. What, weakly, much to put cons only?
    2. atalef
      atalef 4 January 2014 11: 03
      +7
      Quote: domokl
      I agree with the author. Europe is now roughly in the same position as Moscow and some other cities in Russia. The prevalence of guest workers has led to a drop in the standard of living of many, but at the same time, increased income for some. Tajiks in Europe (such as Poles and other new Europeans) have become goats absolution. Who agrees to live worse than living voluntarily? Probably no one ...
      It seems to me that events are now brewing that can fundamentally change the European political map. If the EU persists, member governments will pass laws that severely restrict the freedoms of citizens. And this could lead to a social explosion ... The EU is either disintegrating or to a fundamental change in the principles of the union itself.

      Well, everything is not so scary, unfortunately the situation is such that in Europe, as in Russia, no one wants to work as janitors, on construction sites and generally low-skilled work,
      The number of gaster in Europe is less than in Russia (in%), but why do you write about Europe that it will fall apart, and Russia, in the same situation, will rise from its knees? What is the fundamental difference in these cases in your opinion, I don’t think at all that the presence of Gaster can lead to the collapse of which country’s libro, in general, if there is a threat, they will simply be sent out or laws just make the stay of the Gaster itself not profitable, a simple example, forbid transfers money to Tajikistan (only bank transfers, as you understand, Gaster does not have a bank account) and you will see that the number of these people from Tajikistan will decrease dramatically, I’m not saying that it will completely disappear, they will carry cash in trains, but blocking cash flows - automatically deprive Russia of its attractiveness as a place to make money - but who needs it? Who will work at construction sites?
      1. igor67
        igor67 4 January 2014 11: 07
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: domokl
        I agree with the author. Europe is now roughly in the same position as Moscow and some other cities in Russia. The prevalence of guest workers has led to a drop in the standard of living of many, but at the same time, increased income for some. Tajiks in Europe (such as Poles and other new Europeans) have become goats absolution. Who agrees to live worse than living voluntarily? Probably no one ...
        It seems to me that events are now brewing that can fundamentally change the European political map. If the EU persists, member governments will pass laws that severely restrict the freedoms of citizens. And this could lead to a social explosion ... The EU is either disintegrating or to a fundamental change in the principles of the union itself.

        Well, everything is not so scary, unfortunately the situation is such that in Europe, as in Russia, no one wants to work as janitors, on construction sites and generally low-skilled work,
        The number of gaster in Europe is less than in Russia (in%), but why do you write about Europe that it will fall apart, and Russia, in the same situation, will rise from its knees? What is the fundamental difference in these cases in your opinion, I don’t think at all that the presence of Gaster can lead to the collapse of which country’s libro, in general, if there is a threat, they will simply be sent out or laws just make the stay of the Gaster itself not profitable, a simple example, forbid transfers money to Tajikistan (only bank transfers, as you understand, Gaster does not have a bank account) and you will see that the number of these people from Tajikistan will decrease dramatically, I’m not saying that it will completely disappear, they will carry cash in trains, but blocking cash flows - automatically deprive Russia of its attractiveness as a place to make money - but who needs it? Who will work at construction sites?
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 4 January 2014 13: 03
          +5
          igor67 Good afternoon! Where is the professor ..? Then that year on the infa website it slipped that off the coast of Israel huge gas reserves were discovered ..! not really in flippers and a mask with a drill diving in search of a deposit .. ???))) We live as if not choked ..))) Bored without it .. bully
        2. I do not care
          I do not care 4 January 2014 19: 53
          +2
          The photo was taken in China, dear, and I’m slandering the demotivator about your place of residence for 5 minutes.
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        4. Song Hu Chan
          Song Hu Chan 5 January 2014 13: 05
          +5
          igor67 The erroneous opinion spread by the media that the natives do not want to work
          it’s impossible to get a local janitor! You have to pay a full salary, social bonuses, etc. It’s easier to turn to clearing companies and
          hire a guest, note that the difference in salary is taken by the clearing company and
          shares with local housekeeping.
          1. Know-nothing
            Know-nothing 5 January 2014 13: 10
            0
            That is, the law is being violated everywhere? Where does the "sovereign's eye" look - the prosecutor's office and countless inspections?
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 4 January 2014 13: 10
        +10
        Quote: atalef
        Unfortunately, the situation is such that in Europe, as in Russia, no one wants to work as janitors, on construction sites and generally low-skilled work,

        I would add here Israel, you have the same situation. Only you have Gaster from the countries of the former USSR returned to their historical homeland. The question is different, why do not want to work, and who is to blame? My opinion is the fault of the business (avoiding tax and social taxes, etc.). And with janitors can be solved even today, as was the case with this category of workers in Soviet times? What attracted them? at least one of my relatives lives in an apartment precisely for this work. To shoot a couple of leaders of the Zhilkontor, so that they pay as expected, and not in your pocket.
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 January 2014 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: Sirocco
          I would add here Israel, you have the same situation. Only you have Gaster from the countries of the former USSR returned to their historical homeland.

          Yah ? Go to the hospital. state institutions, in my El.kompanii (such as RAO EU) - everywhere former immigrants from the USSR. Although the broomstick is the same. Well, not all engineers work. But how immigrants from the USSR settled indigenous only envy

          Quote: Sirocco
          The question is different, why do not want to work, and who is to blame?

          In general, many are just idlers by nature


          Quote: Sirocco
          To shoot a couple of leaders of the Zhilkontor, so that they pay as expected, and not in your pocket.

          Direct to shoot?
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 4 January 2014 15: 40
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Yah ? Go to the hospital. state institutions

            You know, I will probably surprise you, and in our hospitals and other state institutions there are citizens of the former union.
            Quote: atalef
            Although the broomstick is the same.

            There is, and not only on a broomstick, in cafes, restaurants, discs are spinning at the sink, in hotels (cleaning, etc.), Something I did not notice in these institutions "indigenous" and Orthodox, why would it?
            Quote: atalef
            In general, many are just idlers by nature

            Isn’t it, indigenous and orthodox?
            Quote: atalef
            Direct to shoot?

            You can hang, and then shoot, someone like. Or, as they did in Israel in the past, OPERATION "RETURN" AND BLACK SEPTEMBER.
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 January 2014 14: 18
              0
              Quote: Sirocco
              You know, I will probably surprise you, and in our hospitals and other state institutions there are citizens of the former union.

              Yes, but the USSR was not part of Israel
              Quote: Sirocco
              Something I have not noticed in these institutions "indigenous" and orthodox, why would it?

              They probably looked bad. Enough and those and those. And Gaster, by the way, is the same. Especially in Eilat

              Quote: Sirocco
              In general, many are just lazy by nature, aren't they already indigenous and orthodox?

              Yes, everyone is missing, he is a lazy person and a lazy person in Africa.
            2. atalef
              atalef 5 January 2014 14: 18
              0
              Quote: Sirocco
              You know, I will probably surprise you, and in our hospitals and other state institutions there are citizens of the former union.

              Yes, but the USSR was not part of Israel
              Quote: Sirocco
              Something I have not noticed in these institutions "indigenous" and orthodox, why would it?

              They probably looked bad. Enough and those and those. And Gaster, by the way, is the same. Especially in Eilat

              Quote: Sirocco
              In general, many are just lazy by nature, aren't they already indigenous and orthodox?

              Yes, everyone is missing, he is a lazy person and a lazy person in Africa.
          2. samoletil18
            samoletil18 6 January 2014 03: 05
            0
            But how immigrants from the USSR settled indigenous only envy

            Are Palestinians envious?
        2. their
          their 5 January 2014 20: 31
          0
          You are a little mistaken, real migrant workers in Israel from Eritrea, Sudan and so on ... They are now in status the same as Russian Jews on a broomstick.
          http://youtu.be/Og191LNVJ4Q
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 4 January 2014 13: 18
        +12
        Quote: atalef
        Well, everything is not so scary, unfortunately the situation is such that in Europe, as in Russia, no one wants to work as janitors, on construction sites and generally low-skilled work,

        Quote: atalef
        Who will work at construction sites?

        Forgive me, but since when did the work of the builder become unskilled ??
        The people worked great and earned good money, I can tell you, the work is certainly hard, but as soon as our officials let the media "duck" that we could not live without guest workers, just since then they stopped paying at the construction site !!!
        I’m not talking about the fact that the housing built by these HANDLES does not have a quality criterion!
        I suspect we will still see the "falling" houses ?? But why wait long? here's SOCHI and the falling house
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 January 2014 13: 37
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          Forgive me, but since when did the work of the builder become unskilled ??

          I don’t know, I didn’t say that. Just at construction sites there are many opportunities for unskilled labor. Or are all Tajiks and Moldovans working in construction well, just professors?
          Quote: APASUS
          I’m not talking about the fact that the housing built by these HANDLES does not have a quality criterion!

          Yes they build it. Or not ?
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 4 January 2014 13: 49
            +10
            Quote: atalef
            Just at construction sites there are many opportunities for unskilled labor.

            I built chemical plants in Finland, Norway, Poland, the Netherlands, and I don’t see any work there for them, except to wash the floors before acceptance? But can any idea be brought to the point of absurdity! Wearing gyproc on the 17th floor manually, is that really an indicator? these are national funs of our businessmen !!!
            Quote: atalef
            Yes they build it. Or not ?

            What do you think all of Russia moved to a construction site in Sochi for high-quality construction? The same anthill as everywhere else the same hemorrhoids!
            1. atalef
              atalef 4 January 2014 13: 58
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              What do you think all of Russia moved to a construction site in Sochi for high-quality construction? The same anthill as everywhere else the same hemorrhoids!

              Yes, and I about the same. In Russia, there are 1.3 million Tajiks alone. What are they doing * Are they in high-tech?
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 5 January 2014 23: 40
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                What are they doing * Are they sitting in Hi-tech?

                Yes, such a small Hi-tech
      4. zart_arn
        zart_arn 4 January 2014 13: 44
        +9
        I do not think that the presence of Gaster can lead to the collapse of any libro country

        Unfortunately, those in power benefit from a cheap and uncomplaining labor force. This labor force causes not only a decrease in the level of wages in the corresponding labor niches (therefore, locals do not go there), but also a surge in crime, an increase in infectious diseases, and a surge in corruption. Therefore, the situation in Russia is much worse than in Europe. There the Gaster niche is largely filled by the Balts, Slavic brothers and Jews of the former socialist camp. These guys are almost like us Russians in their mentality (yes, in fact, many of them are our guys) and differ from the average European much less than the Central Asians and Caucasians from the Russians. Let them call me a xenophobe, but I see a very great danger in the "gastarbeitization" of Russia.
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 4 January 2014 15: 19
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        The number of Gaster in Europe is less than in Russia (in%), but why do you write about Europe that it will fall apart, and Russia, in the same situation, will rise from its knees?

        In Europe, they receive citizenship and cease to be called Gaster, but what changes? In Europe there are more and percent.
        Quote: atalef
        Who will work at construction sites?

        Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, even Chechens, Gaster in a minority.
      6. bif
        bif 5 January 2014 02: 01
        0
        I don’t think at all that the presence of Gaster can lead to the collapse of which libro of the country, in general, if there is a threat, they will simply be sent out or laws will be adopted that simply make the stay of the Gaster itself unprofitable

        I agree with you completely, the growth of the Russian economy and the recession (stagnation) of the EU in general to the "gastric" NO attitude ... there are other factors.
        Quote: atalef
        Well, everything is not so scary, unfortunately the situation is such that in Europe, as in Russia, no one wants to work as janitors, on construction sites and generally low-skilled work,
        Here, you are wrong ... people do not go to such work not because of moral principles such as "low-skilled" work, but because of the insignificant WAGE, this is in the Russian Federation. Here's a good example "Since the beginning of July, an experiment has been taking place in Kronstadt - local housing services have hired 15 janitors with Russian citizenship and Slavic appearance. It was expected that the residents would be satisfied, but ..."
        More details: http://vchera.com/news/51696/

        And finally,
        prohibit money transfers to Tajikistan (only bank transfers, as you understand, Gaster does not have a bank account) and you will see that the number of these people from Tajikistan will decrease sharply, I’m not saying that it will completely disappear, they will carry cash by trains, but they will block cash flows - automatically deprive Russia of its attractiveness as a place to make money
        I agree, but the Tajik will open a bank account, which is in the Russian Federation and Takzhikistan, and everything will be new. You just need to raise the state duty on any transfer to 25-30% (now no more than 5%) and then YES! And in order for the Russians to go to work on low-skilled jobs, they have to pay more and "white" wages. with a normal social package, this, of course, is not beneficial to employers - it will deprive them of superprofits, but new amendments to the tax code will soon come into force and they will be obliged to do so.
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 January 2014 14: 24
          +1
          Quote: bif
          I agree, but the Tajik will open a bank account, which is in the Russian Federation and Tajikistan, and everything will be new

          Prevent non-residents from opening bank accounts. It’s generally simple
          Quote: bif
          You just need to raise the level of state duty for any transfer to 25-30% (now no more than 5%) and then YES!

          Why? And if a Russian citizen wants to transfer money to Tajikistan, why should he be charged a 30% duty on money from which he had already supposedly paid all taxes?
          Quote: bif
          And in order for the Russians to go to work on low-skilled jobs, they have to pay more and "white" wages. with normal social package

          It's clear
          Quote: bif
          this, of course, is not beneficial for employers - it will deprive them of superprofits, but soon new amendments to the tax code will come into force and they will be obliged to do so.

          And it is generally beneficial for the employer to work for him 24 hours a day for free and preferably pay extra. That is the reason for the authorities to create incentives on the one hand for the development of business, and on the other the observance of the rights of wage workers.
    3. Su24
      Su24 4 January 2014 11: 10
      +4
      Khazin has been saying the same thing for 5 years. But the great p..zdets does not come) You see, already in a number of countries the growth has begun, but he still says that the decline is continuing. So invisible.
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 January 2014 11: 29
        +4
        Quote: Su24
        Khazin has been saying the same thing for 5 years. But the great p..zdets does not come) You see, already in a number of countries the growth has begun, but he still says that the decline is continuing. So invisible.

        I agree with you on this, an ordinary opportunistic economic publicist, who cares about hot topics, such as Onotole in an economic field, until not one of his predictions came true, I remember during Perestroika Both Abalkina and Aganbegana were pouring beautifully on their ears - zero sense, like the program of 500 days Yavlinsky, beautifully sang the result zilch.
        Khazin (only in VO of his article for already 3 years) and every year promises death to Europe and America, well, just any day - the result is zero.
        Treat him like a Globe in horoscopes - says what you want to hear and nothing more
      2. alone
        alone 4 January 2014 12: 48
        +6
        Quote: Su24
        Khazin has been saying the same thing for 5 years. But the great p..zdets does not come) You see, already in a number of countries the growth has begun, but he still says that the decline is continuing. So invisible.


        laughing Well, okay, you are 5 years old, I am already over 40, all these 40 years I have only heard how "the decaying Western system will very soon kick back, and America will become Sahara !!"
        I love people like Khazin))) you know they say, and they believe in what they say))) and they still know how to convince others of this))
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 January 2014 12: 57
          0
          Quote: lonely
          Well, okay, you are 5 years old, I am already over 40, all these 40 years I have only heard how "the decaying Western system will very soon kick back, and America will become Sahara !!"

          Khazin is not an original in this, it was said before the birth of mom and dad Khazin
          Starting from Marx-Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchov-Brezhnev and the great successors of the KIMs, Castro and Chavez.
          And Vaska listens - yes, he eats. laughing
      3. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 11 January 2014 22: 00
        0
        Well, why our economists are looking for an invisible increase in inflation under a magnifying glass, they’ll find in Germany and in ENGLAND and in France. Judging by his statements, we’re just happy that we live in Russia, I don’t even want to answer, and I said something insulting to A and B modestly behaved not at all polite to us, Usually such figures offer solutions and their humble advice to us simple and gray, It seems that he’s afraid to upset us very much and didn’t say so, Something is brewing or maturing properly and I don’t know they will acquaint with some interesting conclusion and immediately give a solution, but we may not like it
    4. Sirocco
      Sirocco 4 January 2014 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Europe is now roughly in the same position as Moscow and some other cities in Russia.

      And who led to this state of affairs, what do we have and beyond the hill? It seems to me, or rather I'm sure of it. These are our businessmen, entrepreneurs. Who periodically scare their workers, so that they will hire citizens from Central Asia, if they do not work on the terms of businessmen. They still need everything today; a business with long-term prospects is not relevant for many. There is only one thing that makes us different from the EU, they are at the point of no return, and we and our statesmen have time to stop such a course of events. Let's see who will "fill up" whom, I suspect that the grandmother will prevail. Already somehow it became normal for us (as in the International) to destroy everything to the ground, and then. Some of the servants of the people will wash off the hill, and the dance will repeat itself in a circle. Deja vu.
    5. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 4 January 2014 14: 09
      +2
      You are mistaken, like the author of the article.
      These judgments are in their own way, in their mentality. There are many vices in the EU, but we must give them their due. They are working hard and the discussions are strong. And I think that they will find a solution, of course there will be big mistakes, because the matter is new and unknown.
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    7. Fin
      Fin 4 January 2014 18: 22
      0
      Quote: domokl
      The dominance of gastrobayters led to a drop in the standard of living of many, but at the same time, an increase in the income of some.

      This is one of the reasons. Key: output to countries with cheap slave. force and overproduction of goods. The consequence is unemployment, a decrease in the purchasing power of the population. Production facilities are idle due to lack of demand. They tried at the expense of Ukraine to stretch for several more years failed. There is only one thing left - a painless population decline by LGBT propaganda, which is what they are doing intensively. Flag in their hands !!
  2. Mature naturalist
    Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 09: 40
    +1
    The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?
    1. domokl
      domokl 4 January 2014 10: 10
      +3
      Quote: Mature Naturalist
      The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?

      It’s just revealed ... The Euro is and will be for the time being. Moreover, it will be supported at a certain level by all means. But ... I advise you to turn your head towards the renminbi)))) If you speak in the long run))))
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      2. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        I advise you to turn your head towards the yuan

        "Somehow I don't trust these Chinese ..." (c) Shirley-Myrley
      3. atalef
        atalef 4 January 2014 11: 12
        -2
        It’s just revealed ... The Euro is and will be for the time being. Moreover, it will be supported at a certain level by all means. But ... I advise you to turn your head towards the renminbi)))) If you speak in the long run))))

        I would advise the dollar, the recession in Europe has not yet been completed, the economic situation in Italy, Spain, Greece, Ireland has improved a little, is still far from normal, and the United States sounds strange on the rise and the results of 2013 are impressive, as are the dynamics of the labor market (constant decline unemployment rate) - that’s why for the time being the dollar, and even under Obama, the United States is unlikely to get into the next war, that is, there is absolutely no threat to the dollar (just don’t need about US debts - the piano didn’t play and will not play because of this indicator - as a ratio Europe cannot even dream of debt to GDP) therefore - the dollar, and it’s better if as a contribution - how even more strange it seems to you - the shekel of shopping mall in 2013 shekel strengthened against the dollar by 6.5%, a pretty good percentage on the deposit, well in general, the Mexican peso is also possible, the same showed not a bad dynamics against the dollar hi
        1. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 4 January 2014 11: 53
          +5
          [quote = atalef] [quote] Well, in general, you can also the Mexican peso, the same showed not a bad trend against the dollar hi[/ Quote]
          and better Zambian kvach. he is beautiful. good
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 January 2014 12: 59
            0
            Quote: Panikovsky
            and better Zambian kvach. he is beautiful.

            Zimbabwean is to the builders of socialism. In addition to the stupid chatter, do you have anything to say on the topic?
            1. Panikovsky
              Panikovsky 4 January 2014 17: 30
              +1
              that broken agro-currency of all currencies.
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        3. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 14: 53
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          I would advise a dollar

          "Somehow I trust this dollar even less ..."
          Options: Euro or Ruble. Looking at what is happening with banks in Russia, there is reason to choose the euro.
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 January 2014 16: 37
            -1
            Quote: Mature Naturalist
            Somehow I trust this dollar even less ... "
            Options: Euro or Ruble. Looking at what is happening with banks in Russia, there is reason to choose the euro.

            generally invest money to make a profit, otherwise it makes no sense. What percentage is given in Russia on a deposit, say 10 tons of bakos or 300 tons of rubles a year? I just do not know.
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          3. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 18: 04
            0
            Quote: Mature Naturalist
            Looking at what is happening with banks in Russia

            I will add:
            "Russians scare bankruptcy of Alfa Bank"
            One of the largest Russian commercial banks, Alfa Bank, fell victim to cybercriminals. Letters of the bank began to receive letters from unidentified persons stating the difficult financial situation of the credit institution, moreover, they contained a warning about the imminent revocation of the bank's license.
            ...
            An official appeal from Alfa-Bank’s management regarding the distribution of false information about the instability of a credit organization appeared on the bank’s official website. In it, in particular, it says, “that unidentified attackers send letters with absolutely false information regarding Alfa Bank OJSC.
            ...
            We add that on December 17 there was a short-term malfunction in the work of Alfa-Bank ATMs. Cardholders complained in the forums that they could not withdraw cash from ATMs or pay with "plastic" in a store.

            But the sediment remained ...
      4. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 4 January 2014 13: 05
        +6
        an optimist is studying English, a pessimist is Chinese, and a realist is a Kalashnikov assault rifle
        1. soaring
          soaring 4 January 2014 13: 36
          +2
          an optimist is studying English, a pessimist is Chinese, and a realist is a Kalashnikov assault rifle
          Here I agree to all 110% sorry do not sell our great invention at retail, I would remember the army with pleasure !!! good drinks
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 January 2014 21: 16
          +6
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          an optimist is studying English, a pessimist is Chinese, and a realist is a Kalashnikov assault rifle

          ...
          And people of the Soviet temper "revive" garden plots ... laughing
      5. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 January 2014 21: 14
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?
        Just disclosed ..

        You don’t have to bathe much ...
        The ruble is more tied to the price of oil and natural gas.
        And if the dollar and / or the euro "pour in", the ruble will lose purchasing power for those goods that are bought for these signs. Domestic goods will not change significantly in price.
      6. bif
        bif 5 January 2014 02: 24
        0
        Quote: domokl
        If you say in the long run)

        Then you need to buy not the yuan, but the same as the Chinese for their yuan. Precious metals ... There are even such accounts in some banks "Accounts in impersonal precious metal", you yourself choose the metal (gold, silver, platinum, palladium). the most profitable, if not strange is Palladium. A couple of years ago, on the advice of a knowledgeable person, I opened it to my daughter (to the age of maturity) ... Inflation does not invalidate them, and the growth (according to approximate estimates, min 15% for 2013) can be estimated by trends on Yandex. http://news.yandex.ru/quotes/1504.html
        Real estate is certainly more profitable, but investments are incommensurable
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 January 2014 14: 39
          0
          Quote: bif
          even such accounts in some banks "Accounts in impersonal precious metal", you yourself choose the metal (gold, silver, platinum, palladium). the most profitable, if not strange is Palladium.

          But in fact, you do not buy precious metals, you do not have it physically, you buy futures or options tied to the value of a certain metal on the exchange. If the bank is bent you do not have that conditional bullion you bought - there is only a piece of paper - an option and that’s it. Further, falling prices for metals and real estate did happen and will (like 4 and take-offs) generally putting money on futures is a rather risky occupation, especially since you have no way of calculating both market dynamics and reasons that could affect the price
          Unlike gold, the dynamics of palladium prices are very variable, the cost of a troy ounce of this metal can either go up or down, which can lead to significant losses for the investor
          Ingots of this metal are of little interest to investors, as a rule, buyers of palladium are the owners of metal accounts, which can now be opened in various Russian banks. Over the past month, the dynamics of palladium prices has been very volatile.


          The cost of this type of precious metal ranged from 687 to 862 dollars per troy ounce, in addition, October 4, 2011 was recorded the minimum cost of an ounce of palladium, which amounted to $ 535], the maximum cost of a troy ounce of palladium was recorded in February 2011 and amounted to $ 820
          To date, the cost of a troy ounce of palladium is $ 567, which is $ 10 less than yesterday, and almost $ 100 less than 10 days ago]
          Draw your own conclusions
          If you bought a palladium option a couple of years (2011) ago - the price was 820 per ounce, today 567 bucks per ounce. I don’t want to upset you, but your loss is over 30% (this is only on deposit) if you take the account and securities operations more, then if you want to get money today it will be over 35%.
          Sorry, not really good news in the New Year hi
        2. atalef
          atalef 5 January 2014 14: 39
          0
          Quote: bif
          even such accounts in some banks "Accounts in impersonal precious metal", you yourself choose the metal (gold, silver, platinum, palladium). the most profitable, if not strange is Palladium.

          But in fact, you do not buy precious metals, you do not have it physically, you buy futures or options tied to the value of a certain metal on the exchange. If the bank is bent you do not have that conditional bullion you bought - there is only a piece of paper - an option and that’s it. Further, falling prices for metals and real estate did happen and will (like 4 and take-offs) generally putting money on futures is a rather risky occupation, especially since you have no way of calculating both market dynamics and reasons that could affect the price
          Unlike gold, the dynamics of palladium prices are very variable, the cost of a troy ounce of this metal can either go up or down, which can lead to significant losses for the investor
          Ingots of this metal are of little interest to investors, as a rule, buyers of palladium are the owners of metal accounts, which can now be opened in various Russian banks. Over the past month, the dynamics of palladium prices has been very volatile.


          The cost of this type of precious metal ranged from 687 to 862 dollars per troy ounce, in addition, October 4, 2011 was recorded the minimum cost of an ounce of palladium, which amounted to $ 535], the maximum cost of a troy ounce of palladium was recorded in February 2011 and amounted to $ 820
          To date, the cost of a troy ounce of palladium is $ 567, which is $ 10 less than yesterday, and almost $ 100 less than 10 days ago]
          Draw your own conclusions
          If you bought a palladium option a couple of years (2011) ago - the price was 820 per ounce, today 567 bucks per ounce. I don’t want to upset you, but your loss is over 30% (this is only on deposit) if you take the account and securities operations more, then if you want to get money today it will be over 35%.
          Sorry, not really good news in the New Year hi

          http://provincialynews.ru/publ/finansy/dragocennye_metally/dinamika_cen_na_palla
          dij / 13-1-0-50
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 4 January 2014 12: 45
      +4
      Quote: Mature Naturalist
      The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?

      Steal! yes
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 4 January 2014 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: retired
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?

        Steal! yes

        You to the point ..! most normal Russians have no such problem for a long time .. laughing
        Shaking for their dollars and euros .. heh heh .. That's bl .... and ...!
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 January 2014 21: 19
        +5
        Quote: retired
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?
        Steal!

        Yuri, good evening!
        This "business" requires a "certain skill" laughing
        I suggest it is easier - with a dragonfly in hand - on the night road. In tati night go wassat
      3. Mairos
        Mairos 5 January 2014 12: 05
        0
        It is necessary to create a party "Thieves and Thieves" and those who wish to join it wassat
    3. homosum20
      homosum20 4 January 2014 14: 34
      +1
      Euro to draw!
    4. dddym
      dddym 4 January 2014 20: 08
      0
      Store in rubles and even better in gold :)
  3. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 January 2014 09: 53
    0
    Quote: Mature Naturalist
    euro buy or sell

    Some economists predict that the ruble will fall both against the euro and the dollar (in the area of ​​the ruble). Buy yuan in euros. winked
    1. igor67
      igor67 4 January 2014 10: 51
      0
      Quote: Valery Neon
      Quote: Mature Naturalist
      euro buy or sell

      Some economists predict that the ruble will fall both against the euro and the dollar (in the area of ​​the ruble). Buy yuan in euros. winked

      On December 31, on the First or second channel, Russia in the economic blog, there was a graph of how Germany France Russia completed the economic year, not in favor of Russia, minus big, like France was ahead of Germany plus 25
      %, so the ruble is already falling
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 January 2014 11: 22
        +5
        On December 31, on the First or second channel, Russia in the economic blog, there was a graph of how Germany France Russia completed the economic year, not in favor of Russia, minus big, like France was ahead of Germany plus 25
        %, so the ruble is already falling


        Hi Igoryanich !!! How is your health ?
        The fall of the ruble in 2014 will continue, it did not stop in 2013, in general, the fall of the ruble is very beneficial for the government, since this enhances the competitiveness of goods manufactured in Russia (they are simply stupidly cheaper in dollars) and, of course, amid problems with the growth of GDP and budget sequestration , the main headstock received by Russia is the currency (euros and dollars) received from the sale of natural resources prices for which growth is not expected in the near future, so the real possibility of obtaining additional rubles is simply to lower the ruble against the dollar, which is being done now and will continue, that's all projects must be paid - like pensions, salaries for military personnel and rearmament - money (rubles) is needed, and here, by the way, the World Cup for football, the GDP growth of -1.5% according to the most optimistic scenario - in fact, stagnation, or rather a recession taking into account the level of inflation, so my forecast is clear - the ruble will continue its smooth decline, GDP will not dare to abruptly devalue - and so the rating is at its peak. hi
        1. igor67
          igor67 4 January 2014 12: 03
          0
          [quote = atalef] [quote] December 31, on the First or second channel Russia in the economic blog, there was a graph of how Germany France Russia completed the economic year, not in Russia's favor, minus a big one, like France ahead of Germany plus 25
          %, so the ruble is already falling

          [/ Quote]
          Hi Igoryanich !!! How is your health ?
          Not drinking yet laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 January 2014 12: 04
            +1
            [quote = igor67] [quote = atalef] [quote] December 31, on the First or second channel Russia in the economic blog, there was a graph of how Germany France Russia completed the economic year, not in favor of Russia, minus a big one, like France ahead of Germany plus 25
            %, so the ruble is already falling

            [/ Quote]
            Hi Igoryanich !!! How is your health ?
            Not drinking yet laughing[/ Quote]
            But are you already eating? Progress on face drinks
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 4 January 2014 13: 05
              +2
              Quote: domokl
              But ... I advise you to turn your head towards the renminbi

              Quote: atalef
              I would advise a dollar

              Quote: Valery Neon
              Buy yuan in euros.

              Quote: igor67
              so the fall of the ruble is already in full swing

              Great economists laughing
              The euro is just another derivative reflection of the dollar, such communicating vessels, however, the yuan from there. First, they will pick up Q3 bucks, then the euro, such as a swing, inflation is minimal. Their positive GDP is already mainly export of goods to the foreign market and financial fraud, while already mutually exclusive, for example app. Europe has its GDP due to the markets of eastern Europe, while in the black, China at the expense of the USA, etc. But on the one hand, on the other hand, fierce production competition for foreign markets between the USA, Europe and China leads to lower prices ... well, what will it all lead to? So Khazin is right, "over the hill" sooner or later, but in my opinion, the pussy will be the sooner, the better, the less impact on us. Once again, it is not the financial and manufacturing sector that determines the future, but the resource and trade! Is there any need to explain to whom, what is and what is legal access?
              1. atalef
                atalef 4 January 2014 13: 22
                +1
                Quote: SPACE
                Great economists

                Of course no . so generally stupid statement of facts


                Quote: SPACE
                The euro is just another derivative reflection of the dollar, such communicating vessels, however, the yuan from there

                The same ruble could be added

                Quote: SPACE
                First they will heap Q3 bucks, then the euro, like a swing, inflation is minimal

                But with this please in more detail. How does pumping money stop inflation? Actually, everything is exactly the opposite. laughing And why then there is less inflation than in Russia? --- Economist laughing


                Quote: SPACE
                Their positive GDP is already mainly export of goods to the foreign market and financial fraud,

                You can ask about Russia's GDP - what is this? Production or export of natural resources to a foreign market. Just note - Europe does not sell raw materials. therefore, based on your statement

                Quote: SPACE
                Their positive GDP is already mainly export of goods to the foreign market.

                What do they produce? And probably cars. which all the same in Europe they produce (and not in China 0 and which all of Russia travels to. Although it is understandable, in addition to the auto industry and aircraft manufacturing (which all of Russia fly the same), there is a blockage everywhere, but these industries exist as such. yes forgot electronics, clothes, furniture, foodstuffs, machine tools, equipment - all this of course is Russian or
                So, the foreign trade turnover for January-June 2013 amounted to $ 404620,17 million. At the same time, imports amounted to $ 150676,8 million, and exports amounted to $ 253943,4 million.
                The structure of Russia's imports from non-CIS countries is dominated by machinery and equipment, food products and chemical products.

                Or is Russia only importing frauds?
                Quote: SPACE
                Once again, it is not the financial and manufacturing sector that determines the future, but the resource and trade! Is there any need to explain to whom, what is and what is legal access?

                I especially liked it - not the production sector --- but the resource and trade sectors. laughing
                1. SPACE
                  SPACE 4 January 2014 14: 30
                  +1
                  [quote = atalef] But with this please in more detail. How does pumping the money supply stop inflation? [/ Quote]
                  If you print just dollars, then you have inflation at the output, but if you print euros at the same time, then inflation remains at the same level. In other words, the euro for the dollar is a commodity and vice versa, like stocks and other securities.
                  [quote = atalef] And why then is there less inflation than in Russia? [/ quote]
                  Because it’s less that there it’s just a financial scam.
                  [quote = atalef] You can ask about Russia's GDP - what is this? Production or export of natural resources to a foreign market. Just note - Europe does not sell raw materials. therefore proceeding from your statement [/ quote]
                  Yes, raw materials are production and export, but such is the product that the market will always have and does not depend on the euro-dollar pair.
                  [quote = atalef] Just note - Europe does not sell raw materials. therefore proceeding from your statement [/ quote]
                  That's right, it consumes it. Therefore, based on the statement of Khazin (with which I completely agree), their GDP will be increasingly dependent on resources and on the foreign market.
                  [quote = atalef] yes forgot electronics, clothes, furniture, food. machine tools. equipment - all this of course is Russian or [/ quote]
                  If you have the resources and the market (a constant factor), you make finance and production (temporary) dependent ...
                  [quote = atalef] Or is Russia only importing frauds? [/ quote]
                  This is the trick, as Peter 1 said, the time will come (when we get the machines and technologies in the west) we will turn back to Europe.
                  laughing
                  [/ Quote] I especially liked it - not the production sector --- but the resource and trade. laughing[/ Quote]
                  Example: I have a customer market, I go to one manufacturer and say sell to me at such a price or buy from another, I say the same to another, in the end I get the goods I need at the right price ... well, if still and my resources ...laughing
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 4 January 2014 16: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: SPACE
                    If you print just dollars, then you have inflation at the output, but if you print euros at the same time, then inflation remains unchanged

                    Bravor, a new word in economics. And if in parallel the Zimbabwean dollars and the Venezuelan Strong Bolivars (just called that), what will happen?
                    Sorry, but do not smack nonsense. Read the definition of inflation.

                    Quote: SPACE
                    Because it’s less that there it’s just a financial scam.

                    laughing

                    Quote: SPACE
                    Yes, raw materials are production and export, but such is the product that the market will always have and does not depend on the euro-dollar pair.

                    And who will buy it? If there is no euro or dollar:

                    Quote: SPACE
                    That's right, it consumes it. Therefore, based on the statement of Khazin (with which I completely agree), their GDP will be increasingly dependent on resources and on the foreign market.

                    And the Russian market depends on their purchasing power, mood and desire to buy in Russia or an alternative place. In general, the one who grandmothers can always choose as a store. and bargain for the price. Or do you think your trip to the market for potatoes is fundamentally different from buying oil on exchanges?

                    Quote: SPACE
                    If you have the resources and the market (constant factor), you make finance and production (temporary) dependent.

                    Another nonsense, excuse me. In Japan, the cat wept, and in Angola - nowhere to go. And who lives better?

                    Quote: SPACE
                    This is the trick, as Peter 1 said, the time will come (when we get the machines and technologies in the west) we will turn back to Europe.

                    Well, almost half a year has passed. from his statement (if it was so) - and what has changed?


                    Quote: SPACE
                    Example: I have a customer market, I go to one manufacturer and say sell to me at such a price or buy from another, I say the same to another, in the end I get the goods I need at the right price ... well, if still and my resources

                    A wonderful answer, they just put everything upside down. The buyer is Europe (they have money), and the seller (more precisely a few) is Russia, Saudi Arabia. Qatar --- and so everything is correct. hi
                    1. SPACE
                      SPACE 4 January 2014 21: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Bravor, a new word in economics. And if in parallel Zimbabwean dollars

                      Moreover, here Zimbabwe, the main commodity-money turnover is between Europe and the United States.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Sorry, but do not smack nonsense. Read the definition of inflation.

                      The same advice, and after you read it, explain why quantitative easing and where does inflation go?
                      Quote: atalef
                      And who will buy it? If there is no euro or dollar:

                      Therefore, they are needed, while they are needed.
                      Quote: atalef
                      In general, the one who grandmothers can always choose as a store. and bargain about the price

                      Well, that's right, and the buyer has grandmothers, and this is the market, the consumer! Neither banks, they are not consumers, they are accumulators of other people's funds.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Another nonsense, sorry

                      demand dictates supply, and demand is the MARKET, this is the buyer!
                      Quote: atalef
                      In Japan, the cat wept, and in Angola - nowhere to go

                      You, Japan, Germany, the USA, Israel, limit foreign markets, let them provide only themselves and we will see how they live.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Wonderful answer, just put everything upside down

                      And here upside down? My example and yours are basically the same thing, just special cases of commodity-money relations. The thing is different, Resources are limited, especially non-renewable! He who does not have one, he will not have, they are distributed! Markets, demand is also limited! and for them now there is a major struggle, “within the framework of the WTO law” through the competition of production forces, the court of technology, science. And production, technology and science, this factor is acquired and in principle accessible to everyone, which means that sooner or later countries with their own markets will fill it with their own goods, thereby narrowing access to their markets to countries such as Japan, Germany, etc. as a result, highly developed economies will always be between a rock (resources) and a hard place (markets), which means that their GDP will be eroded and inexorably reduced! and they are supported now only at the expense of their financial sector, which cannot last forever, and Khazin points to all this and also indicates that there is no way out. Well, unless they master hydromethane, controlled thermonuclear fusion or uncontrolled!
                      1. dmit-xnumx
                        dmit-xnumx 5 January 2014 06: 38
                        0
                        Well, well, these hydrates with thermonuclear fusion will master, they will bathe in the ocean of energy, but there is no raw material! And start again, that is, buy what you will make candy from.
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        3. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          a sharp devaluation of GDP does not dare

          But under the guise of a denomination? will dare?
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 January 2014 16: 47
            +1
            Quote: Mature Naturalist
            But under the guise of a denomination? will dare?

            Denomination is much worse than devaluation.
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            2. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 18: 28
              +1
              There is a possibility, although you are not interested in Israel ...
  4. makarov
    makarov 4 January 2014 10: 01
    +2
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    euro buy or sell

    Some economists predict that the ruble will fall both against the euro and the dollar (in the ruble area). Buy yuan in euros


    Yes, even tugriks? The main thing is if you have something to buy for. Unfortunately, for the majority of people this topic (purchases) is not relevant, since they live "on wheels" - what they earned, they spent in a month, and it is impossible to put aside a penny ... and this is bad !!!
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    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      Unfortunately, for most people this topic (shopping) is not relevant

      In Russia, money is still easier. And how not to lose what you have earned - this must be taken into account.
  5. mountain
    mountain 4 January 2014 10: 02
    0
    Quote: Mature Naturalist
    The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?

    About the euro, just forget it. Only now I am beginning to understand why in the USSR all the walls were mainly painted in green. Ruble, he is our salvation.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 January 2014 12: 05
      0
      Quote: mountain
      Quote: Mature Naturalist
      The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?

      About the euro, just forget it. Only now I am beginning to understand why in the USSR all the walls were mainly painted in green. Ruble, he is our salvation.

      Bravely, but in general the ruble in the USSR was brown laughing
      1. mountain
        mountain 4 January 2014 15: 00
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: mountain
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        The main question is not solved: buy or sell euros?

        About the euro, just forget it. Only now I am beginning to understand why in the USSR all the walls were mainly painted in green. Ruble, he is our salvation.

        Bravely, but in general the ruble in the USSR was brown laughing

        fool I'm actually talking about wallpaper in the form of a dollar. lol
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 January 2014 10: 02
    +4
    Unfortunately, we are not separated from Europe now, either by an iron or even a wooden curtain. Plus, our hands-drivers will want to declare a crisis so that it is like in Europe. Even if there are no prerequisites for this.
  7. Arkan
    Arkan 4 January 2014 10: 09
    +1
    While the German economy is more or less stable, you can buy the euro.
  8. Sid.74
    Sid.74 4 January 2014 10: 13
    0
    Not surprisingly at all! The crisis in the EU has nowhere to go! And the trends in the European economy are still going down. It’s not yet clear what side it will hit us! What gas in the middle of winter they will not refuse to buy is for sure! tongue

    "Expert Online"
    The troubled EU countries now have a relatively high debt load in Greece, Portugal and Spain, the national debt now amounts to 157%, 127% and 124% of GDP, respectively. For comparison: in the more prosperous France and Germany, 90% and 81%, respectively.


    The S&P's outlook on the EU's rating was changed to "negative" in January 2012, after which it downgraded the ratings of France, Italy, Spain, Malta, Slovenia, Cyprus and the Netherlands. So today only six countries of the currency block have the highest rating on the S&P scale at the AAA level. Meanwhile, S&P said this time that “downward pressure may persist if creditworthiness corresponding to the high rating of the EU countries“ deteriorates, if future budget negotiations prove to be “more protracted and difficult, and if member states leave the EU ( Britain is waiting for a referendum on this issue) or the financial performance of the region will noticeably deteriorate, "the agency said in a statement.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 January 2014 11: 38
      0
      The S&P's outlook on the EU's rating was changed to "negative" in January 2012, after which it downgraded the ratings of France, Italy, Spain, Malta, Slovenia, Cyprus and the Netherlands. So today, only six countries of the currency block have the highest rating on the S&P scale at the AAA level.

      Come on, then with Russia its credit rating is BBB (with a positive trend), but from BBB to AAA it is "only" 7 steps, like BBB +, A-, A, A, A + AA-, AA , AA + and only then AAA, so think for yourself where, what and how
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 4 January 2014 13: 22
        0
        Everything is fine with Russia, we are growing little by little, but we are growing every year with a teaspoon! I think otherwise Israel would not sign an agreement with the TS on 2014, because he as a WTO member could easily trade with TS! Just need to understand that if S & P cuts ratings for our beloved Europeans, we don’t get good ratings from them anyway!
        China is not okay either! Fitch downgraded China's long-term local currency rating from AA- to A +, citing a number of “underlying structural weaknesses!
        That’s why China and Russia decided to shake this rating topic, but it’s not fair, they’re dumping us and we cannot spit back!
        The announcement of the birth of the new Universal credit rating group, the fruit of a collaboration between the Chinese agency Dagong, the Russian RusRating and the small American Egan-Jones Ratings, is suggestive. The new agency will provide an alternative assessment of the state of global finance and should seriously compete with the three American rating agencies (Standard and Poor's, Moody's and Fitch), which today together control over 90% of the market.

        Well, that's what Fitch says about Russia!
        The Fitch international rating agency confirmed the long-term rating of Russia's liabilities in rubles and currency at the BBB level with a stable outlook, noting the good state of public finances, despite the economic slowdown and traditional structural distortions.
        The current account is surplus and will remain so, according to Fitch, at least until 2015, and the budget is balanced, although the income of the treasury is under pressure from a slowdown in economic growth. “The economy is slowing. Fitch expects growth of no more than 2% for the year. The slowdown indicates structural imbalances in the economy and the lack of reforms, ”the Fitch report said.
        Nevertheless, the agency does not see reasons for revising the fundamental assessment of Russia as a borrower in the inhibition of the Russian economy and believes that activity will begin to recover in the second half of this year, and in 2014-2015. growth will reach 3%.
        So do not worry you so for Russia, mother, everything will be fine with us! yes
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 January 2014 13: 30
          -1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Well, that's what Fitch says about Russia!
          The international rating agency Fitch affirms the long-term rating of Russian obligations in rubles and currency at BBB with a stable outlook, noting the good state of public finances, despite the economic slowdown and traditional structural distortions

          Quote: Sid.74
          So do not worry you so, everything will be fine!

          Here I am about that, no worries. everything will be fine

          International agency Standard & Poor's downgraded the credit rating of the European Union from “AAA” to “AA +”. This was reported in a press release by S&P. The rating outlook has been changed from “negative” to “stable”.

          Just pay attention, Russia's rating of BBB is 6 steps lower than AA + (EU rating)
          and Russia is only one notch
          .
          Standard & Poor's rating for reliable companies, as opposed to unreliable ones, looks like this: AAA, AA +, AA, AA-, A +, A, A-, BBB +, BBB, BBB-, BB +, BB, BB-, B +, B, B-, CCC +, CCC, CCC-, CC, C, D. Anything lower than BBB- is considered speculative or junk bonds. [4]

          A rating where bonds are considered junk (or junk).
          Therefore, I agree with you, everything will be fine - buy dollars and euros.
          All based on your own words hi
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 4 January 2014 13: 47
            0
            If you sort things out by the EU countries, everything is worse! Everything is just in the tables and infographics in the available sources, I'm too lazy to take it easy with you! You missed one little phrase.
            Quote: Sid.74
            . So today only six countries of the currency bloc have the highest rating on the S & P scale at AAA.

            The rest with such nat.dolgami is much worse and the rating was lowered for the first for the whole EU! And only 6 countries are doing well, and 28 seems to be 19 in the euro area hi
            1. atalef
              atalef 4 January 2014 16: 54
              0
              Quote: Sid.74
              If you sort things out by the EU countries, everything is worse! Everything is just in the tables and infographics in the available sources, I'm too lazy to take it easy with you! You missed one little phrase.
              Quote: Sid.74
              . So today only six countries of the currency bloc have the highest rating on the S & P scale at AAA.

              The rest with such nat.dolgami is much worse and the rating was lowered for the first for the whole EU! And only 6 countries are doing well, and 28 seems to be 19 in the euro area hi

              We are talking about the EU, or we’ll start talking about the credit ratings of the Russian regions, you know, they exist the same way (I mean the credit ratings of the regions)
              Check out, it’s very interesting, especially for regions with a garbage rating
              http://www.russianeconomy.ru/CreditRates/ViewRates.aspx?regionId=57
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 January 2014 14: 54
      0
      Quote: Sid.74
      Expert Online »The troubled EU countries now have a relatively high debt burden for Greece, Portugal and Spain, the national debt now stands at 157%, 127% and 124% of GDP, respectively. For comparison: the more prosperous France and Germany have 90% and 81%, respectively.

      And the United States has only 103% of GDP, a little more than the well-off Germany and France, and certainly less than that of Italy. Greece, or Portugal. Nevertheless, Germany is just the top of stability (according to many) and the states should sort of die tomorrow
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 5 January 2014 17: 52
        0
        So no one said that ratings are the last resort, the thing is subjective! And as an example of the United States, it is very noticeable, having such debts having a positive rating at the same time is arrogance! since all the major rating agencies have a residence permit in the USA there is no question of a serious decrease in the US rating! So it’s surprising that in general Russia’s BBB rating p.i.d.d.s.yy gave! will that get nuts Nobody knows neither Khazin nor any other expert when everything collapses tomorrow the day after tomorrow in a year or ten, there is a chance that in the spring there will again be a discussion of raising the government debt ceiling, but almost everyone is sure that it will collapse! What the fuck knows what to do next, China and Russia are actively buying gold! The ruble can be seriously considered as a reserve currency only by the most inveterate optimist, although banks cut offshore affairs and Rusal does not lie from offshore capital, KamAZ and someone else transfers assets ! China is also not interested in making the yuan a new reserve currency, since this will lead to a rise in the value of the yuan and, accordingly, some loss of competitiveness of Chinese industries and goods, but it is already actively thinking about it and will make its currency free and then the bank will come as a reserve currency! US bonds will buy until the world economy takes on another form! What form it will be too they don’t know, science fiction writers say or there will be some valuable conventional unit tied to electric power and set the price for other currencies, or a form of new industrialization with ubiquitous robotics and a new competitive race of countries in robotics!
        And as for Germany, they seem to have a budget surplus just for them all in the EU and they will give up the slack and everything will fall and go to the minus of the EU!
        After Russia, it will also come as the gas consumption at production facilities in the EU will fall, and the oil consumption will fall and the price of all the energy good will also fall!
        So do not push zugzwang everywhere!
        But at the moment in Russia everything is not bad stability is!
        Although Europe is falling, Germany is in the best shape among all, and has retained its rules and imposed its rules for the rest of the pygmies and controls the money, 5 Reich is not only set with a bayonet but with economics and cunning! , the referendum has already been appointed to 17 godu.Eto the EU will not add power to life! So wait and see!
  9. tennis
    tennis 4 January 2014 10: 19
    +4
    The European Union is a patchwork quilt sewn on an ambulance and with white thread. Sooner or later it will fall apart.
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 4 January 2014 11: 12
      +1
      Absolutely agree. It was originally created as a counterweight to the USSR, but then got carried away too. He is doomed.
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      2. atalef
        atalef 5 January 2014 14: 58
        0
        Quote: Jamal
        Absolutely agree. It was originally created as a counterweight to the USSR, but then got carried away too. He is doomed

        Yes, most likely his fate, like the USSR, will fall apart. Too many contradictions in such a small territory.
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  10. My address
    My address 4 January 2014 10: 33
    +2
    What does "Europe's economic growth largely drawn" mean? So there is growth, see the last paragraph of the article, or not? Why is there no specifics in the article?
    As if an article was written by the prime minister DAM to justify his worthlessness am ... Here, they say: "They draw in many ways, and I am the honest head of edrosov and bad drawing! That an employee is no such nonsense, the main thing is that the pisun is bad!".

    In my Urals, one production after another is being closed. Uralmash is coming to an end! This is how to do housekeeping am that Uralmash cover up! Orders go to Izhora factories, which otherwise kayuk. And then the end will come to Izhora - drill rigs are cheaper to take from China.
  11. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 January 2014 10: 37
    0
    There are a lot of problems in Europe and it is impossible to explain how the Kiev Euromaidan was inspired by the idea of ​​the immediate availability of a visa-free Schengen zone. Neither Bulgaria nor Romania will be allowed to join it in 2014 either. It is impossible to understand how Kiev can break into the beginning of the "Schengen line", even without being a member of the EU.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 4 January 2014 10: 49
      +1
      And they do not need a Schengen in the sweet heart of Britan laughing

      Full buses and airplanes depart from Bucharest and Sofia to the British Isles; find a place in them is almost impossible. One way tickets to the UK cost up to 3 thousand pounds sterling. This is due to the removal of restrictions on working in the UK for citizens of these two countries that have been in effect since 2005.
      This year, around 70 thousand citizens of Romania and Bulgaria are preparing to find a new home in the UK. The Daily Mail reports that 28 million Romanians and Bulgarians can get the right to work in the United Kingdom.

      28 million you think about it hypothetically, you can get a job. This is the population of Bulgaria and Romania taken together in why the shavers from the EU gathered tongue
      Now the phrase, Gypsy with the exit has gained a new meaning laughing
  12. 31231
    31231 4 January 2014 10: 46
    +1
    The economist is about economics. Where are the numbers ?! Has Khazin become a philologist and is just chatting?
  13. old rocket man
    old rocket man 4 January 2014 10: 58
    +5
    Quote: My address
    What does "Europe's economic growth largely drawn" mean? So there is growth, see the last paragraph of the article, or not?


    There is GDP growth, but there is no growth in industrial production, but we have the same picture.
    Previously, the results of five-year plans were presented in the form of natural quantitative indicators — so many tractors, so many millions cans of canned food, the growth was clearly visible and it was.
    Now the indicators in rubles are growing, yes, but if you look at the really released products, the picture is sad, the production of almost all types of products in real, natural form is falling, most members of the forum themselves are witnesses to this.
    Recently, prerequisites for growth have appeared, but so far basically only prerequisites, unfortunately.
  14. sashka
    sashka 4 January 2014 11: 09
    +3
    A strange picture is drawn. They are all bad and they attribute growth. Naturally, we have growth and we belittle it. If killing production and marking time is the ultimate goal of activity, then there is "growth" at a faster pace.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 January 2014 11: 42
      -2
      Quote: Sasha
      A strange picture is drawn. They are all bad and they attribute growth. Naturally, we have growth and we belittle it. If killing production and marking time is the ultimate goal of activity, then there is "growth" at a faster pace.

      Khazin - the storyteller is still the one who generally was the last time In Europe, how? Rotting? Look, Italy seemed to be hoarding up yesterday, but if they have a crisis, then when is it not a crisis? According to my impressions, like the prices in the stores, everything is very good, worse than it was, but far away - far from deadly
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 4 January 2014 12: 35
        +4
        Europe will definitely not collapse tomorrow and the day after tomorrow is also unlikely. But the tourist does not show the picture of decay, otherwise he will not come anymore. Visible well-being is often achieved through loans. We got to the point that borrowing themselves, they lend to countries that no one else will give. But the borrowed funds are not used to correct the situation, but are stupidly consumed. The only question is how long you can live on credit. I must say for some this is not bad.
      2. vasiliysxx
        vasiliysxx 5 January 2014 12: 54
        +2
        Only from Spain came, talked with ordinary people, they do not know that they are rotting belay I tried to convince them of this, do not believe fool
  15. Semenov
    Semenov 4 January 2014 11: 11
    +3
    All this looks like preparation for war - unemployment, impoverishment of the population, all kinds of refugees in huge numbers. New Hitler will throw an appeal - to the East, beyond living space - and will be trampled by crowds. Well at least rearm.
  16. Barakuda
    Barakuda 4 January 2014 11: 25
    +4
    Quote: Mature Naturalist
    Quote: Vadivak
    The corresponding decree was signed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

    Come on! I do not believe you!

    And very in vain. About 700 pages about the Association, no one bothered to read. Ukraine plays the role of a landfill.
  17. Keeper
    Keeper 4 January 2014 11: 30
    0
    The bottom will not be visible until any currency is confirmed by any material reserves (for example, you can remain tied to gold)!
    But this in no way will please those who print money with or without it!
    So here it’s worth considering - either we drop a woman from the cart (all the fucking economists who are afraid to tell the truth and get out of the crisis by a clear order in financial structures) and the wolves will remain well-fed, or we’ll wait for reality to begin to swallow the whole civilization ...

    And one more important factor - MONEY - BELONGS TO FAMILY FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS!
    ... He put on slippers in the morning, scratched his left buttock and went to roll the yuan ...
    I drank coffee, shaved and thought. you need to make a revolution in a black country with an Arab bias in order to sell more weapons for the country's gold reserves, which must first be exchanged for dollars .... I’ll go print a couple of billion ....
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 4 January 2014 11: 47
      +1
      Yes, this is understandable, a tortured topic. If China and Russia dump all USD for sale, the collapse of the United States and the world financial system is inevitable, but they do not want to, they take care of themselves and, accordingly, the United States is holding on. Russia is taking steps in the right direction, regarding China, oil is partially for rubles, guys, and in the border cities, the ruble is officially in use. Muammar Gaddafi, not long before the war, signed a decree on the introduction of the "golden dinar", and oil only for gold, and then it immediately began ... A mess was made from the richest country on the continent.
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 January 2014 11: 55
        0
        Quote: Barracuda
        Yes, this is understandable, an exhausted topic. If China and Russia dump all USD on sale, the collapse of the United States and the global financial system are inevitable, but they do not want to, they take care of themselves and, accordingly, the United States holds. Russia is taking steps in the right direction, regarding China, guys partially for rubles, and officially in the border cities in the border cities.

        Like countries that did laughing
        First of all, to China, do you think stupid people are sitting there? So take and steal all your reserves?
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 4 January 2014 12: 02
          0
          No, of course. In China, woodpeckers do not sit, they know what it smells like. But something needs to be done, and not to feed the States ... Sooner or later it will be, the question is when? Or the next US military flurry started.
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 January 2014 12: 11
            -2
            Quote: Barracuda
            No, of course. In China, woodpeckers do not sit, they know what it smells like. But something needs to be done, and not to feed the States ... Sooner or later it will be, the question is when? Or the next US military flurry started.

            What to do, you can read Khazin and dream, but you can buy dollars or euros (which is slightly worse), and live a lot calmer, by the way, this concerns Ukraine in the first place
      2. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 5 January 2014 07: 00
        +1
        Muammar Gaddafi was still a grandiose project for the delivery of fresh water, it seems that he played an equally important role in the fate of the deceased.
  18. Barakuda
    Barakuda 4 January 2014 11: 33
    +4
    Quote: Sasha
    A strange picture is drawn. They are all bad and they attribute growth. Naturally, we have growth and we belittle it. If killing production and marking time is the ultimate goal of activity, then there is "growth" at a faster pace.

    Something kills me. I watched on TV - Spaniard, disaster, I have a benefit of only 3000 euros. there’s nothing to refuel the car on, in Greece, there were 4000. became 2500 euros, not enough for food. And who will work? And why the heck is Geyropa to us.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 4 January 2014 12: 24
      +2
      You can also add that in France unemployment benefits reach 1500 euros. And to get it, you have to work three or four months every two years. All according to Gaidai "Who does not work, he eats"
    2. pl675
      pl675 4 January 2014 14: 44
      -1
      Quote: Barracuda
      Quote: Sasha
      A strange picture is drawn. They are all bad and they attribute growth. Naturally, we have growth and we belittle it. If killing production and marking time is the ultimate goal of activity, then there is "growth" at a faster pace.

      Something kills me. I watched on TV - Spaniard, disaster, I have a benefit of only 3000 euros. there’s nothing to refuel the car on, in Greece, there were 4000. became 2500 euros, not enough for food. And who will work? And why the heck is Geyropa to us.


      comrade, they don’t even show this on TV.
      Do not fantasize, turn on the brain.
  19. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 4 January 2014 12: 00
    0
    Another court pseudo-economist. If we say that everywhere is bad, then we don’t think everything is so disastrous. This is their main task - to dust the brains of the townsfolk.
  20. Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 4 January 2014 12: 04
    0
    Euro, dollar, yuan, tugriks. - AUTOMATIC MACHINE NEEDS TO BUY, as I say realist
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 4 January 2014 12: 57
      +3
      Quote: Alexandr73
      AUTOMATIC MACHINE NEEDS TO BUY, as a realist I say

      I’ve bought 6 acres of land and plowed there all summer, now I’m eating my own natural product, and I need a machine - I agree, but only protect myself from those who only have a machine.
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 January 2014 13: 02
        -2
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        I’ve bought 6 acres of land and plowed there all summer, now I’m eating my own natural product, and I need a machine - I agree, but only protect myself from those who only have a machine.

        Well, you can go to subsistence farming.
        I’m not growing anything. but my potato is not being translated. A person should do his own thing. receiving a decent salary for this - which should be enough for the same potatoes (except for the rest), but to plow after working on a personal plot (like all summer with weekends) - thank you. I got it, I don’t want to go back to the USSR.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 4 January 2014 13: 22
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Well, you can go to subsistence farming.

          atalef! Look a little deeper at my answer to the quote:
          AUTOMATIC NEED TO BUY

          And you have reduced everything to potatoes, and to a personal plot.
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 January 2014 13: 38
            0
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            atalef! Look a little deeper at my answer to the quote:

            Perhaps not penetrated into the full depth of the hidden meaning, sorry hi
            1. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 4 January 2014 13: 42
              0
              Quote: atalef
              sorry

              drinks
          2. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 4 January 2014 13: 50
            +5
            Quote: Anatole Klim
            Quote: atalef
            Well, you can go to subsistence farming.

            atalef! Look a little deeper at my answer to the quote:
            AUTOMATIC NEED TO BUY

            And you have reduced everything to potatoes, and to a personal plot.

            Klim, and you are right. Russia just started from this .. (all though not so beautiful, but natural and high-quality like Kalmshnikov’s machine ..)) We have everything for the next breakthrough! .. If you block the oil and gas pipelines .. (cheap gasoline gas) I remember this (USSR) when gas was like water .. but it’s an effective lever to make Russia cheaper at all .. (especially the military-industrial complex ..) Oligarchs screech and corrupt officials .. It should be so! The crisis will be powerful .. only then sharply then the economy will go up area large energy resources are cheap .. (stabilization fund is available) ... The main people will immediately feel it .. and then hold on!
            1. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 4 January 2014 13: 57
              0
              Quote: MIKHAN
              Russia just began with this

              Thank you for understanding Meehan! they said the essence, I have nothing to add!
            2. dmit-xnumx
              dmit-xnumx 5 January 2014 07: 09
              0
              There will be no one to hold on - there will be a palace coup followed by a martial law or a state of emergency and a curfew, a continuous "Swan Lake" on all channels. Let's forget about the Internet, they will cut it off. But there will be forced labor for food stamps. Trust me!
        2. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 4 January 2014 16: 53
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          I got it, I don’t want to go back to the USSR.

          I don’t want you to come back either.
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 January 2014 17: 07
            -2
            Quote: Panikovsky
            Quote: atalef
            I got it, I don’t want to go back to the USSR.

            I don’t want you to come back either.

            Well, at least in some ways we converge.
            1. Panikovsky
              Panikovsky 4 January 2014 18: 40
              +1
              if you still found on your Jewish sites, there would be complete mutual understanding.
              1. dmit-xnumx
                dmit-xnumx 5 January 2014 07: 12
                0
                Panikovsky, darling! It’s not his fault that he was born a Jew! Why are you so not comme il faut? You discuss the article of the Jew Khazin and nothing, right?
  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 4 January 2014 12: 09
    0
    Quote: Rimlianin
    Another court pseudo-economist. If we say that everywhere is bad, then we don’t think everything is so disastrous. This is their main task - to dust the brains of the townsfolk.

    Not quite a courtier and not quite pseudo, but an economist. Although in the kitchen we are all economists. And TV can dust your brains, let’s say I watch 10 minutes. per day, and then I’m getting sick.
  22. Arhj
    Arhj 4 January 2014 12: 20
    -1
    Europe fought socialism so hard that it did not notice how it built socialism at home. In the USSR, if you do not want to work outside, you are a parasite, and therefore you will work under guard at construction sites of the national economy. In our north they called it "chemistry". In Europe, if you don't want to work, others will work for you. The French millionaire tax is the best example of this. If all the income over a million is taken away from me, why work after this level. And if the millionaires don't work, what will be the growth of the economy.
  23. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 4 January 2014 12: 53
    0
    jambs to choose from
    Barakguly Abamov
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 January 2014 13: 05
      0
      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      jambs to choose from
      Barakguly Abamov

      Well, Barakguly is most likely Kazakh. Although how do you like this
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 5 January 2014 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Well, Barakguly is most likely Kazakh. Although how do you like this

        You look at the expression on his face: as if he had a cow cake on his head.
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  24. shark
    shark 4 January 2014 13: 05
    0
    Enough cheap populism. The world is on the verge of a global crisis caused by the Angolan-Saka games in the resale of empty paper. People want easy empty money and they get it ... The exit will be terribly difficult for everyone. Both for Russia and for Europe, etc. No currencies will help. In my opinion, the only chance for salvation will be the principle of "back to the village." Plus, several terrible regional wars will die off, I'm afraid it will not come to the world one. And only then ... If lessons are learned ... Absolutely one thing is clear - all modern economic doctrines and theories are by and large not consistent. And only the full provision of the monetary system with gold or other precious metals has the right to life.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 January 2014 13: 40
      -2
      Quote: shark
      . The world is on the verge of a global crisis caused by the Angolan-Sakian games for the resale of empty pieces of paper. People want easy empty denyuzhek

      Only Khazin has been writing about this for about 3 years.
      Here is summer on the doorstep. and you are crisis crisis. In my opinion, summer will come faster and more than once.
      1. cayman gene
        cayman gene 4 January 2014 16: 28
        +2
        the matter is not in Khazin, but in you, former comrades. We don’t miss you, but for some reason you can’t breathe from you on Russian sites.
        1. pl675
          pl675 4 January 2014 16: 43
          -4
          Quote: Cayman Gena
          the matter is not in Khazin, but in you, former comrades. We don’t miss you, but for some reason you can’t breathe from you on Russian sites.



          is this the opinion of the collective mind?
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        3. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 18: 41
          0
          Quote: Cayman Gena
          but for some reason you can’t breathe from you on Russian sites.

          Use the blacklist. Very comfortably. So I excluded one Kazakh, now I feel comfortable.
          1. cayman gene
            cayman gene 4 January 2014 19: 07
            +1
            a balalaika. Comrades, former compatriots only want this. let them always remember that this country is now a stranger to them and their maxims are now useful, except, perhaps, to Ariel Sharon.
    2. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 5 January 2014 07: 30
      0
      Suppose, it will be much easier for Russia to exit - the dollars and euros will be zeroed out, so what? They are still not in our economy. Russia is self-sufficient and is able to provide itself with everything necessary, and at the same time, to defend its self-sufficiency in front of anyone who wants to feast on Her expense. Well, the Deripaska and the Prokhorovs go bankrupt, so all the same, the economy will come under state control and planned economic management. In five years we will return to the NEP and "in life everything will repeat itself all over again!" (If only there was no civil war - then our sworn partners will surely tear us apart!)
  25. Hleb
    Hleb 4 January 2014 13: 20
    0
    Do not consider it a flood, in my amusing moment:

    “There are two ways to behave by winning a big victory. - Writes on the website of the publication Bleacher Report journalist Dan Carson. - You can hold your head high and express gratitude to the defeated team for its efforts. Or you can tease rivals, like schoolchildren showing all sorts of gestures through the window of a school bus. Having beaten their peers from the USA at the World Youth Championship, the players of the Russian national team chose a lower and more demonstrative path. ”

    The Russian hockey team knocked the United States out of the tournament at the quarter-final stage. The game ended with a score of 5-3.
    In the second and third periods, American hockey players did not manage to get through the protection of the Russians. Toward the end of the game, they replaced the goalkeeper with the sixth field player. But his unfortunate mistake led to the fact that the striker of the Russians Pavel Buchnevich was alone in front of the empty net and freely threw the puck into the net.
    Celebrating a goal, the athlete headed towards the American bench and began to tease them, the author of the article writes. For this, he received from the Chicago Blackhawks player Ryan Hartman a club in the face.
    The journalist notes that both athletes behaved inappropriately, but the Russians did not stop there. Later, representatives of the coaching staff of the Russian national team began to show unpleasant gestures towards US players. According to the journalist, the Americans simply shook their heads and did not respond to this.
    “The Cold War is over, and Russia and America have more important problems than youth hockey games. - concludes Carson. - We should worry about our public debt, and they need to pacify their raging Pussy Riot. For the rest, let's try to be more polite and civilized. "
  26. Hleb
    Hleb 4 January 2014 13: 21
    0
    Bleacher Report Reader Comments:
    Chris James: I am an Australian. He visited both Russia and the USA. I must say that Russians are a million times more pleasant than the Yankees. Perhaps they chatted too much, hence the mess.
    Garyconstable: I am American, but I have no problem with that. After all, this is our compatriot who began all this abuse. Sometimes you just need to look in the mirror and come to terms. And beat them next time.
    Bubblebaulairts: Don’t worry, Americans! We Canadians will avenge you if we meet the Russians in the finals. Well, if we don’t meet, it means that the Swedes have avenged you. Go ahead, Canada, go ahead! Go, leaves, go!
    JacobKing: Yes, let the Russians have fun. They know that they have nothing more to surpass us in.
    Felix boss: I am convinced that the Russians do not care about what you write. Playing hockey, I met many Russians, and I can say that they are more than happy to live in Russia. And I myself think that Russia is one of the coolest countries. You have stupid arguments: food, music. I have my own opinion on this. I think that in America, food is shit. You guys eat from plastic plates, dress like stupid people, and your drivers suck. Just stop whining about the defeat of your youth hockey team.

    Chalky studebaker: TIME TO BOMB RUSSIA
    B hawk: That shit wouldn't have happened if the tournament had been allowed to fight. All Russians would be afraid that they would kick their ass.
    Sean matthes: Have fun in your .... oh Russia.
    Noah krichau: That's why the whole world hates Russia. There are those who are finished. I hate this redneck from the tundra. Putin is a dictator.
    Ian michalek: Okay. Russia may not be the best place to live, but it is definitely not hell. And if you think that Russian hockey players show off just because they live in Russia, then you are fundamentally wrong. This is hockey, people sometimes show off. But not because they are furious about the country where they live. If you really believe that, then you are simple. PS. I am Canadian, so do not write to me "you are probably Russian."

    http://inotv.rt.com/2014-01-03/Rossijskie-hokkeisti-razocharovali-amerikancev-sv
    oim
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 January 2014 21: 26
      +3
      Quote: Gleb
      Bleacher Report Reader Comments:

      Thank you! hi
      It is interesting enough to note the difference in thinking and, consequently, in mentality.
  27. Boris63
    Boris63 4 January 2014 13: 52
    0
    Nobody will "put down" anyone, everyone is tied up so that you won't find the ends. Europe and America support each other, so their currencies can be "held".
    Now, if we start selling oil and gas only for rubles, then they will be "no ice", but again nobody needs it.
  28. atalef
    atalef 4 January 2014 13: 55
    0
    Quote: Boris63
    Now, if we start selling oil and gas only for rubles, then they will be "no ice", but again nobody needs it.

    What will you do with rubles? All imports are more than 100 billion a year, what will you buy? The same for rubles? Who will sell it?
  29. SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 4 January 2014 14: 20
    0
    And you people have not noticed that the Lord is punishing the people of countries where governments and their leaders behave wrongly, and the symbol of democracy and its values ​​becomes a lie because Churchill himself said that democracy is gamut but the world has not yet come up with a better one. So it turns out that the leaders of developed countries with democracy, use it for their own purposes to overthrow rulers unwanted by them. those who are not subordinate to them. We see the results for Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq and African countries. Yugoslavia is now ruined, and they have again taken up Iran and Ukraine. God punishes them for their deeds, for bloody and obsessive democracy and its deceitful, ghostly values. America is constantly in chaos and natural disasters, swept them in the winter and during the rest of the year they are sausages by floods, hurricanes and tornadoes.
    Europe is like that, as well as the western regions of Ukraine. God punishes them for their brainless rule and thinking. And now there is an open third world war for natural wealth and territory, and then it will be even worse in the flesh before an armed confrontation and wars that will lead humanity to self-destruction. Although it may seem ridiculous to someone, our planet is controlled by aliens from other civilizations, human reptiles, the center is located in the United States, and there is an assumption by American UFO researchers themselves that it is located in glorious Zone 51. They include the Order of Massonov, who rule the entire economy of the world. America is indebted to the inhabitants of the world 16 trillion dollars and they are not going to give, the gold and foreign exchange reserves are all given to reptiles, and there are bars of gilded tungsten stored there. So the Germans were worried about their gold and demanded that the United States return its reserve to them. For some it seems fantastic, for sober-minded people this will be perceived as a warning and the truth, and for another category of citizens, let them take it for a fairy tale and laugh, but the one who laughs last laughs well.
  30. Sour
    Sour 4 January 2014 15: 55
    0
    I will not comment on economic affairs in the EU, because I do not have complete information.
    But I will say a few words about Khazin.
    I don’t remember a single forecast that came true. Unfulfilled - more than a dozen. But interest in this talker does not disappear.
    The question is, why?
    The answer is simple - he says what people want to hear. First of all, his predictions are a balm for the souls of the "all-scattered" liberals. The communists also fell in love with him. They liked him for once calling Stalin an "effective manager." And the communists don't need anything else.
    In short, Khazin learned the secret of popularity - to say what someone wants to hear from you. And forecasts come true or not, it does not matter.
    The article is a minus for quoting Khazin, a professional alarmist, a liar who has never answered for his lie.
  31. Sour
    Sour 4 January 2014 16: 16
    +4
    Here are some of the Khazin predictions.
    Freezing deposits and mass protests of depositors in 2009.
    http://www.nr2.ru/incidents/201179.html
    Ruble devaluation and 30% decline in GDP per year
    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/creditworthiness/562422-echo/
    The collapse of the Russian financial system in 2010.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJmdhPyO-s&feature=youtu.be
    Or here.
    http://rutube.ru/video/6e535701b57bf652f1171b8c8015834c/
    Falling oil prices simultaneously with the growth of the dollar.
    http://rutube.ru/video/402d0d6cd16006d348d1820529b68f90/
    Dollar for 55 rubles in 2010.
    http://rutube.ru/video/fc79b5c1f190c5761e105f3162d26774/
    Enough? More than.
    Enough to quote this garbage yap.
  32. galser
    galser 4 January 2014 17: 06
    0
    Quote: Mature Naturalist
    Quote: atalef
    I would advise a dollar

    "Somehow I trust this dollar even less ..."
    Options: Euro or Ruble. Looking at what is happening with banks in Russia, there is reason to choose the euro.

    Looking at what is happening with the banks of Russia, there is reason to choose the ruble.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 January 2014 17: 07
      0
      Quote: galser
      Looking at what is happening with the banks of Russia, there is reason to choose the ruble.

      And what goes with them. Could you tell ?
      1. pl675
        pl675 4 January 2014 17: 15
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: galser
        Looking at what is happening with the banks of Russia, there is reason to choose the ruble.

        And what goes with them. Could you tell ?


        small regional banks stupidly cover up -
        concentrate all leverage under one roof.
        I will not say that it is bad or good - it is supposedly done for noble purposes.
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 January 2014 17: 27
          0
          Quote: pl675
          small regional banks stupidly cover up -
          concentrate all leverage under one roof.
          I will not say that it is bad or good - it is supposedly done for noble purposes.

          And therefore, in your opinion. you need to choose the ruble. Bravely.
          1. pl675
            pl675 4 January 2014 17: 37
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: pl675
            small regional banks stupidly cover up -
            concentrate all leverage under one roof.
            I will not say that it is bad or good - it is supposedly done for noble purposes.

            And therefore, in your opinion. you need to choose the ruble. Bravely.


            about the ruble was not mine.
            if you want to hear my opinion -
            need to buy land. as M. Twain said -
            it is not produced.
            it does not fall in price.
            (Detroit, etc. do not take into account)
            1. atalef
              atalef 4 January 2014 17: 54
              0
              Quote: pl675
              need to buy land. as M. Twain said -
              it is not produced.
              it does not fall in price.
              (Detroit, etc. do not take into account)

              And why ? Or Detroit, what is out of the ordinary? Look at the prices of apartments in the regions of Russia - never fell? And what will you do with the purchased land?
              1. pl675
                pl675 4 January 2014 18: 05
                0
                1- meaning to consider buying in disadvantaged areas?
                2- fell. both fell and stepped over the previous upper bar.
                3- successfully selling, after a while.

                - it's my opinion. I never hold money - well, firstly, I don’t have as much as I would like, and secondly, money (any) is just paper.
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                2. Mature naturalist
                  Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 18: 51
                  0
                  Quote: pl675
                  successfully sell [earth], after a while.

                  It's complicated.
                  I have a plot of 20 hundred. in outskirts of Moscow. Not in a prestigious place, but in an ordinary village. I do not need and no one needs. From year to year I give announcements at a price essentially the same as I bought 10 years ago - no one even calls ...
                  And such sites - the entire Moscow region (see irr.ru), but in fact the whole country.
                  1. pl675
                    pl675 4 January 2014 19: 51
                    0
                    we are talking a little about "other land"
                    my fault - I did not say.
                    commercial land, of course - "prestigious place" as you put it.
                    but about the situation in the suburbs I am aware -
                    a lot of people bought "wrong" and "wrong".
                    1. shark
                      shark 5 January 2014 16: 15
                      0
                      Let me ask you a curiosity, but what does it mean, then and there? I am solely interested in my own considerations. I want to buy a cottage in the spring near Moscow in the spring.
                      1. pl675
                        pl675 5 January 2014 19: 11
                        0
                        Quote: shark
                        Let me ask you a curiosity, but what does it mean, then and there? I am solely interested in my own considerations. I want to buy a cottage in the spring near Moscow in the spring.



                        Well buy so, only without hurry.
                        look around, study the market, assess the risks.
                        have a good shopping.
                3. atalef
                  atalef 5 January 2014 16: 22
                  0
                  Quote: pl675
                  1- meaning to consider buying in disadvantaged areas?

                  And how do you know what will happen in 3-5-7 years? What changes? Well, if in a particular storm and old district, then there are well-established prices and are unlikely to be subject to fluctuations
                  Quote: pl675
                  2- fell. both fell and stepped over the previous upper bar

                  Of course, only no one knows when and where it will happen, how and whether it will return to the previous level
                  Quote: pl675
                  3- successfully selling, after a while.

                  Or not successful. Forgot 2007 price level? Neither has returned so far and is unlikely to return. So note
                  Quote: pl675
                  it's my opinion. I never hold money - well, firstly, I don’t have as much as I would like, and secondly, money (any) is just paper.

                  Well, with this approach, I'm sorry, you will never have them.
                  I wish you this year, a little change approach. Good luck hi
                  1. pl675
                    pl675 5 January 2014 19: 41
                    0
                    you understand, in my thoughts there was no one to teach.
                    I just expressed my opinion - I do so.
                    these are my foundations of life.
                    even if these are crooked principles - but they are only mine - I do not impose them on anyone.
                    and for the forecast - special thanks.
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 4 January 2014 21: 30
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            And therefore, in your opinion. you need to choose the ruble. Bravely.

            Such a unit of account in Russia ...
            We do not accept tugriks, pounds, hryvnias with shekels in our stores wassat
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            2. atalef
              atalef 5 January 2014 16: 25
              +1
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Such a unit of account in Russia ... They do not accept in our stores tugriks, pounds, hryvnias with shekels

              Strange, we are talking about investments - right? Here, people are investing money in palladium - an even more exotic thing than Tugriks.
  33. 120352
    120352 4 January 2014 18: 05
    0
    Modern economics is sheer speculation, fabrication, fabrication. After inflation, geyrops, i.e. its bloating, due to the emergence of a purely political European Union, the economy could not grow in any way, since in this cluster there is only one normal producer-donor: Germany, and all the rest are poor consumers: Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc. Sushera. So the days of the EU are numbered. But if Ukraine were also accepted (46 million beggars), then the EU would not have survived until 2015. Soon she, the United impoverished Europe, eats herself and is blown away. Have to take them to Russia. We will be able to provide the inhabitants of the EU with empty land in Siberia. And they feed themselves, and it is easier for us to develop the territory.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 6 January 2014 02: 56
      0
      Have to take them to Russia

      Why does Russia need so many blacks, Arabs, etc.?
  34. komel
    komel 4 January 2014 18: 20
    0
    Chanel and Dior called on the city authorities to pay attention to the criminal situation on the streets of Paris, which is fraught with the fact that tourists, especially the wealthy, will simply stop coming to the French capital. So, for example, the Chinese embassy addressed its fellow citizens with a warning about the frequent cases of crimes against wealthy tourists, which for street robbers are welcome booty. In addition, the image of Paris is adversely affected by street riots organized by football fans. Employees of the Louvre guards expressed their protest against the unbridled street criminals. If pickpockets can be grabbed, the police take no action, and a few hours after they return to the Louvre again, continuing to clean the pockets of tourists. A study on urban crime was conducted in Paris. In it, we are talking about toughening clashes between gangs that unite more and more young, but already armed people who identify with their area of ​​residence. In other words, all the poor and ethnic neighborhoods where tourists are perceived, at best, as a source of income. Paris street crime ruined the image of the city in the eyes of foreigners.
  35. komel
    komel 4 January 2014 19: 41
    +2
    Rising electricity bills are driving residents in the United Kingdom to save light. Energy companies add fuel to the fire, which offer the British to wash together in the shower or abandon the traditional five-hour tea party.

    “Save on coffee or tea. Do not put the kettle on. Abstaining from coffee or tea twice a week will reduce your bill by £ 10 per year, ”says First Utility, a leaflet quoted by the publication.

    Another way of saving British experts recognized a joint wash in the shower. “Wash yourself together. This will save you £ 154 per year, ”one company said.

    Among other ways of saving, early shutdowns of light are also named. “It's a lot of fun,” says another British company.

    Opponents of the Cameron government believe that this kind of advice can not serve as a reason for jokes or laughter.

    http://russian.rt.com
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    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 4 January 2014 22: 46
      0
      Quote: komel
      offer ... wash together in the shower

      sometimes it amuses and brings variety ...

      "I will throw out all the items on which you cheated on me.
      - What about the chandelier too?
      ??
      - Ah, John was such a dreamer ... "
  36. konvalval
    konvalval 4 January 2014 21: 44
    0
    There is nothing eternal in this world. What is better Europe?
  37. samoletil18
    samoletil18 6 January 2014 02: 48
    -1
    But for today's European leaders, the main thing is that there is no quick decline. And they are trying at all costs to give the situation some optimism. And accordingly depict that there is no decline. It turns out this is bad for them.

    Those. the correctness of the Soviet type of economy is again confirmed. If you look deeper, in the time of I.V. Dzhugashvili, we can note the presence of the private sector in the planned economy in the form of artels. Food problems were solved in a similar way: the size of many household plots amounted to 1 ha. But even Khrushchev’s experiments (virgin lands and economic councils) and Brezhnev’s indecision (Kosygin’s reforms) allowed the USSR to confront half the world (USA, Europe, China). And even after the betrayal of power (Gobachev and Yeltsin), the rest of the country has been kept on the Soviet backlog for almost a quarter of a century.
  38. individual
    individual 6 January 2014 07: 44
    0
    It seems that this is economic growth. In fact, this is not growth, but the redistribution of equity money. In this sense, I do not see any optimism for Europe.

    This tendency to redistribute money is in Russia, but it does not at all concern the well-being of the people, both here and there.
    As for the United States, this world-wide corporation, in addition to printing paper wrappers, can do nothing, which has been shown by recent requests to their Congress, where they do not know the symbol of stagnation except how to print $.
    It is dangerous that liberal Russia ended up in this office of those who were perched.
  39. TAA
    TAA 9 January 2014 06: 49
    0
    The well-known economist and publicist Mikhail Khazin gave his forecast for our Company.
    belay

    stop This is (to put it mildly) a fallacy. Khazin is a mathematician by education. He took up journalism after losing his warm place in the liberal team (one of the groups) - now he is criticizing them. Today, in the age of the Internet - everyone does it. Here we are now also publicists and generate content. To call Khazin a professional economist from an academic point of view is to mislead readers. And it is easy to prove. If he is an economist, let him bring public scientific articles to the professional community and reviews. Or give links. hi
  40. TAA
    TAA 9 January 2014 07: 15
    0
    Quote: domokl
    I agree with the author. Europe is now roughly in the same position as Moscow and some other cities in Russia. The prevalence of guest workers has led to a drop in the standard of living of many, but at the same time, increased income for some. Tajiks in Europe (such as Poles and other new Europeans) have become goats absolution. Who agrees to live worse than living voluntarily? Probably no one ...
    It seems to me that events are now brewing that can fundamentally change the European political map. If the EU persists, member governments will pass laws that severely restrict the freedoms of citizens. And this could lead to a social explosion ... The EU is either disintegrating or to a fundamental change in the principles of the union itself.
    You write about Europe. What about? Europe is a bunch of different states. Essentially a confederation. Like in Canada. With elements of a hidden (behind the scenes) US federal government left over from the Cold War. I mean NATO. This military alliance and US military bases in Europe. and in those countries (Turkey, for example) that are not members of the EU.

    what Turks are migrant workers? (Ostarbeiters - the old name for Turkish workers)
  41. TAA
    TAA 9 January 2014 07: 25
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Well, everything is not so scary, unfortunately the situation is such that in Europe, as in Russia, no one wants to work as janitors, on construction sites and generally low-skilled work
    Give the facts. You repeat for our media. And they are paid to create a special atmosphere. Everything is simple to disgrace. CAPITALISM AROUND THE WORLD TODAY am And these are the rules of the game. Profit is what all the people strive for in a fit. Profit.
    Attracting extra workers to the labor market creates competition among these workers and reduces costs. Which was required to prove. Here is a simple formula and then from the patient to the healthy to shift request Aspirin from a headache or socialism as the highest stage ... You yourself know further drinks
  42. TAA
    TAA 9 January 2014 07: 39
    0
    Quote: tennis
    The European Union is a patchwork quilt sewn on an ambulance and with white thread. Sooner or later it will fall apart.
    And what’s interesting if you read the same Khazin and Glazyev - they offer an old song and pull the Russian Federation and also offer the EU scenario. The Customs Union - read import substitution and the Foreign Exchange - Technology Zones is a dead end. The same problems await us as the EU. - Only the EU was created on the rise and in fat times. And now the recession and fall, with the inevitable catastrophe of the entire financial system.

    We must take into account the mistakes, we are discussing the deceased (EU). request
  43. TAA
    TAA 9 January 2014 08: 07
    0
    Quote: 120352
    Modern economics is sheer speculation, fabrication, fabrication. After inflation, geyrops, i.e. its bloating, due to the emergence of a purely political European Union, the economy could not grow in any way, since in this cluster there is only one normal producer-donor: Germany, and all the rest are poor consumers: Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc. Sushera. So the days of the EU are numbered. But if Ukraine were also accepted (46 million beggars), then the EU would not have survived until 2015. Soon she, the United impoverished Europe, eats herself and is blown away. Have to take them to Russia. We will be able to provide the inhabitants of the EU with empty land in Siberia. And they feed themselves, and it is easier for us to develop the territory.
    You deny yourself. The economy of the Russian Federation is also a complete speculation. And all that is not inscribed in the pipe - this should turn into dust and chaos. Modern economics are chains and these chains are economics. What falls to those who are not involved is also to be plundered by all means. Corruption is a way of distributing humanitarian aid to those who have fallen from the real sector. There is no other way - this is the law of nature. hi