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How much will they give for “Separate the Caucasus - Russia will heal” or “Russian Arctic - under international jurisdiction”?

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“Enough to feed the Caucasus!”, “Russia must return the Kurils of Japan!”, “Russia can be divided along the Ural ridge!”, “Russian Arctic - under international jurisdiction!” - for these and other slogans from 9 May 2014 can be “honored” not only hyperliberal approving reviews and pats on the shoulder from foreign sponsors, but also criminal liability.


Recently, the second and third readings of the draft law on responsibility for propaganda or justification of separatism and violations of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation were held. The Criminal Code of Russia will now have an article 280.1, which stipulates the responsibility of a person for separatist slogans and public calls for the violation of the territorial unity of Russia.

How much will they give for “Separate the Caucasus - Russia will heal” or “Russian Arctic - under international jurisdiction”?


According to preliminary information, the responsibility will concern both those who decided to declare their separatist sentiments without using mass media (for example, went outside with a poster in the style of “Give Independence to Prostokvashino!”), And those who want to publish to separate from Russia, used the media. In the first case, under the article 280.1, the maximum penalty can be 3 of the year of imprisonment, in the second - five years. Recall that ideas were initially expressed about 20 years of imprisonment for such "actions".
That is, if now, for example, the notorious professor of the HSE Medvedev announces that it is time to give the Arctic to international hands on the air or on the pages of a periodical, then he himself can go to the “arches of the fives” in the Arctic for no reason ...

Recall that the author of the bill on the introduction of criminal sanctions against persons who claim the need to separate a territory from the Russian Federation, was made by State Duma deputies from the Communist Party faction. By the way, the very idea of ​​adding corresponding points to the Criminal Code was born precisely after a series of statements by the same Sergey Medvedev, and besides, Evgenia Albats, Alexander Sokurov and others, let's say, figures that, they say, Russia has so much land and and she does not know how to manage her land ...

By the way, now the media (first and foremost electronic) also needs to be fully armed. After all, many media outlets allow readers to leave comments on their pages, and in them citizens sometimes write something like this, because of a comment that slipped through the commentary, the media can cater to the law. That is why today many mass media resort to filtering out comments not only for the presence of obscene language, but also for theses of the form “Separate the Caucasus - will heal Mother Russia” ... Restriction of freedom of speech? Well, if for someone freedom of speech is expressed exclusively (or "including") in watering each other with foul language and wanting to declare the need to grab a territorial slash from Russia in favor of anyone else, then such freedom of speech can be lost and his face, and the face of his country (if such people are interested in the face of the country).
After the adoption of the bill initiated by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the hyper-liberal masses began to move. Like, how is it so, now you have to go underground with your views, and you cannot get away with views ... They began to stir, as if seeking to justify their aspirations that something could be “cut off” from Russia that favor.

It is worth giving a few specific examples of how representatives of the “creative-progressive” public reacted to news from the State Duma.

Alexander Valeryevich Skobov (ex-member of the Yabloko party, ex-dissident, a man, in 2010, actively speaking in support of the idea “Putin must leave”) on the pages of the publication Grani.ru at the stage of submitting the bill to the State Duma, he stated:

I justified and justify Chechen separatism. When the new law is adopted, officially registered media are unlikely to give me the opportunity to express my views. I will only have to distribute them through blogs, social networks and illegal samizdat.

From the very beginning of the Chechen war, I made numerous appeals calling for recognition of Chechnya’s right to independence. On separation from Russia. By the way, polls conducted during the war showed that the majority of Russian citizens agree to “letting go” of Chechnya.


It would be interesting to look at those polls according to which precisely the “majority” during the war agreed to “let go” of Chechnya. Strange notions about the majority of some of our compatriots ... With such data it is better and true to samizdat - for later use in the restroom ...

Alexander Pinhosovich Podrabinek (columnist for Novaya Gazeta, a member of the political council of the Solidarity movement) on the pages of the same publication:

The hysteria in the State Duma about separatism is the next link in the chain that the mad printer throws on the remnants of freedom in Russia.

It is difficult for the students of empires to understand that there is nothing wrong with the desire for independent living. They believe in the old manner that the happiness and power of the state in the vastness of the territory and the number of people in it. They lagged behind for a couple of centuries, and then it is difficult to do anything. They do not even notice that the growth in the number of states is a continuous and regular process. In 1900, there were 47 states on the planet (figures of American political analyst Robert Dahl), 1950 of 75 states, 2000 of 192, and now 258 of UN 195, unrecognized 19 and others with unclear status.


According to Mr. Podrabinek’s logic, universal happiness and unlimited freedom are when the world map needs to be reprinted with enviable regularity due to the endless increase in the number of new “independent” states. And if the borders of states on the world map do not change for a long time, then Alexander Pinhosovich is extremely depressing ... Eh, Mr. Podrabinek would probably be very happy if the United States would cease to be united, having scattered right away on 50 independent states. So who objects to that? .. We are waiting for the relevant article on the pages of the press from the mentioned citizen about the “backwardness from life for a couple of centuries” of the United States or Great Britain, otherwise they do not break up in any way ...

And there are opposing points of view on the adoption of the law, which are presented by readers of other media.
For example, on the pages of Vzglyad, reader Alexander Bulakhtin writes:

The correct formulation of the question. We have divorced a lot of people who want to divide the country for which they did not fight and did not serve it. Any Albats and marsh with two or three passports. For them, Russia is a territory for making money. Come on, they would yelp in the kitchens, otherwise they are making Goebbels propaganda using TV and other media.


Andrei Safonov (also in the publication "Sight"):

"Echo of Moscow" will squeeze. 2 / 3 hanging out there bloggers can be planted.


In general, it is true, some people will now have to think hard before they say something about the "overly extensive" territory of Russia. But then, many “extremely opposition-minded” hands and mind do not reach matters and thoughts on preservation of the gifts given by the ancestors, but to separate, to grab, to bite off - this is “please” ...
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  1. Dejavu
    Dejavu 24 December 2013 08: 22
    +105
    Cut and give an inch of the Russian land, create a precedent. Not a shred, we will not give it to anyone! soldier stop
    And all these boobies broadcasting for separation are locked up. Absolutely on time adopted law.
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      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 31
        +33
        Chatterboxes and dreamers. For more than 150 years, those who are trying to destroy Russia have been recruited from these two categories. Historical scenery is changing, but their purpose to this day remains unchanged.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 24 December 2013 10: 05
          +48
          Quote: Vadivak
          Chatterboxes and dreamers. For more than 150 years, those who are trying to destroy Russia have been recruited from these two categories. Historical scenery is changing, but their purpose to this day remains unchanged.


          The outstanding French thinker Alexis de Tocqueville in 1856 in his work “The Old Order and the Revolution” formulated several most important laws of revolutionary development. The first is that “With increasing levels of well-being, so does the level of social claims.” In other words, a revolution does not happen when society is bad and gets worse, but rather when it gets better, but I want it to be even better, that is dissatisfaction of citizens is growing along with their income. As Tocqueville noted, when in society there is less arbitrariness and cruelty, repression on the part of the authorities, the people have a desire to gain complete freedom and civil rights.

          The fastest path to freedom leads to the worst form of slavery
          1. nurlangali
            nurlangali 24 December 2013 13: 18
            +4
            You tell the Kyrgyz laughing
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        2. valokordin
          valokordin 24 December 2013 10: 35
          +16



          Chatterboxes and dreamers. For more than 150 years, those who are trying to destroy Russia have been recruited from these two categories. Historical scenery is changing, but their purpose remains unchanged to this day. [/ Quote]
          Project: Caucasus to the Turks, Far East to the Japanese, Siberia to the Chinese, Belarus to the Poles, Peter Finns, Moscow Magyars, Ukraine to the Romanians and all will love us well, but we won’t be in their bag.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 24 December 2013 12: 49
            +39
            The slogan "Stop feeding ..." implies not separation, but fair distribution of money between regions.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 24 December 2013 20: 55
              +8
              A million participants will announce a rally of Caucasians on Manezhnaya Square
              A million participants are planning to announce a rally against xenophobia, which will be held on Manezhnaya Square in Moscow. On December 24, RSN reported this with reference to one of the organizers of the action, the representative of the Russian Congress of the Peoples of the Caucasus Abakar Abakarov.

              The preliminary date for the promotion is January 26 2014 of the year. It is expected that people from the republics of the North Caucasus will participate in the rally. According to Abakarov, organizations from Central Asia and the Volga region also showed interest in the event. Which organizations, he did not specify.

              Nezavisimaya Gazeta earlier, on December 24, wrote that activists of the Tatar Youth Union Azatlyk decided to participate in the Moscow rally. They announced their plans last weekend after they held pickets in Kazan against oppression of Muslims. As the publication clarifies, several dozen people participated in the events.

              The plans of the Caucasians to hold a rally in the center of Moscow became known in early December. One of the reasons was the criminal case against the lawyer Murad Musaev, who was suspected of bribing witnesses and putting pressure on the jury in the murder of Yuri Budanov. Also, the organizers of the action plan to speak out against the ban on hijabs in schools, the actions of authorities that impede the construction of new mosques, as well as against inciting ethnic hatred on Russian television.

              The Russian Congress of the Peoples of the Caucasus was created in Moscow in the 2007 year. Its goal is the normalization of interethnic dialogue, as well as the integration of Caucasians into Russian culture. One of the members of the congress, political scientist Denga Khalidov, claimed that the initiators of the movement were representatives of the "middle Caucasian business"
              So maybe the truth is enough to feed?
              1. lakec
                lakec 25 December 2013 19: 23
                0
                the Russian occupier is still dissatisfied with something ?!
            2. Troitsky
              Troitsky 25 December 2013 03: 54
              -4
              In fact, the rumors that we feed them are greatly exaggerated. Look at the amount of subsidies per capita.
              And the fact that this slogan is used by the nationalist radicals hardly says that it does not mean separation, since these same people shout about separation.
            3. j iz sibiri
              j iz sibiri 25 December 2013 08: 16
              -2
              you chewed it right
          2. a52333
            a52333 24 December 2013 19: 12
            0
            Why do they need a valuable product in their bag? You, comrade with us or with the Nazis? What are you scattering a valuable product? Comrades, other options !!!!!!!!!
          3. cdrt
            cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 08
            0
            [quote = valokordin] Chatterboxes and dreamers. For more than 150 years, those who are trying to destroy Russia have been recruited from these two categories. Historical scenery is changing, but their purpose remains unchanged to this day. [/ Quote]
            Project: Caucasus to the Turks, Far East to the Japanese, Siberia to the Chinese, Belarus to the Poles, Peter Finns, Moscow Magyars, Ukraine to the Romanians and all will love us well, but we won’t be, but to hell with them in their bag. [/ Quote]


            Actually - with slight deviations, it is very similar to the result of the intervention in Russia in 1918-1920: the Caucasus - to anyone, Transcaucasia - to the Turks, Far East - to the Japanese and Americans, Ukraine - to the Germans, Belarus - to the Poles, the Baltic states - to anyone, the European North - to the British.
            Joint efforts of the Bolsheviks and whites.
          4. valerii41
            valerii41 29 December 2013 19: 46
            +1
            I heard from the Tajiks that Siberia belongs to the Tajiks, the Armenians say the same thing Erdogan sleeps and sees himself as Suleiman the Magnificent Syria in his pocket to Altai even an armored vehicle with the name "ALTAI" was invented
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        4. Basarev
          Basarev 24 December 2013 11: 11
          +7
          Our first priority is to make their goal unattainable.
        5. cdrt
          cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 05
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          Chatterboxes and dreamers. For more than 150 years, those who are trying to destroy Russia have been recruited from these two categories. Historical scenery is changing, but their purpose to this day remains unchanged.


          I would say just talkers.
          Empty talkers.
          And then there are no goals - just chatter, having screwed up the polymers, so to speak, in terms of the fact that the Russian people failed.
          And to destroy your country - by the way for some reason there are such inclinations in Russia - is some kind of national masochism.
          Perhaps this is due to the fact that most of the pre-revolutionary education were immigrants from the Germans (Baltic in the first place), Jews, descendants of nobles who were removed from the land and compulsory service - i.e. either people in a generally foreign culture, or people belonging to a class devoid of the purpose of their existence (a nobleman exists only for the sake of service).
        6. Vasek
          Vasek 24 December 2013 20: 28
          +3
          Quote: Vadivak
          For more than 150 years, those who are trying to destroy Russia have been recruited from these two categories.

          Keyword - "more".
          To read history (and not only Russia), the conclusion is obvious: the more fragmented a nation is, the more vulnerable it is.
          The simplest example: only by uniting did we gain strength by the Mongols under the tail to give!
        7. invisibility
          invisibility 24 December 2013 21: 36
          +4
          Quote: Vadivak
          Chatterboxes and dreamers.

          Moreover, those who adopt such a law. In a healthy society, Medvedev and Co. on kumpolu pressed without the adoption of laws. Imagine a year in 85, some talking headhead screeched, give the Kuril Islands, Kaliningrad, the Caucasus, etc. Earth, then watered with blood by our ancestors, and very abundantly!
          They would tear a hot-water bottle like Tuzik! And the veterans? In vain you our grandfathers "brought closer as they could"!
          Ugh! Society must be treated, the army must be raised, the prestige of service. And then we accept the law, and young people don’t know what kind of animal the Kuril Islands are. And how to smoke it ...
          My opinion.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 24 December 2013 08: 38
      +22
      How much will they give?
      As much as Vekselberg paid for the lectures.
      And from the money stolen from our state.
      Yes, and all sorts of Echoes are given already. What do they live for? I would never believe that they work "for the sake of an idea".
      Although there may be ardent haters and avengers for the "Stalinist" past, when their relatives, the projectors and embezzlers of state funds, were sitting in Siberia, perhaps spraying poison and working for revenge, and the idea of ​​revenge.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 17
        +41
        Quote: ..
        “Enough to feed the Caucasus!”, “Russia must return the Kuril Islands of Japan!”, “Russia can be divided along the Ural Mountains!”, “The Russian Arctic - under international jurisdiction!”


        Some kind of madhouse. Like this
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 24 December 2013 10: 38
          .
          But the authorities love this paranoid and give him a tribune and a party. Here is the true face of one barbosia
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        3. Stanislas
          Stanislas 25 December 2013 22: 56
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          Like this

          If instead of "We do not know!" substitute about the Caucasus, Kuril Islands, etc., then a funny gif-animation can turn out
      2. major071
        major071 24 December 2013 10: 53
        +19
         mirag2
        How much will they give?

        If only they gave, but the real term. A precedent is needed here. Solder the real time for speaking out against Russia and see what the other mongrel will yap. And then them on the bunk. It's time to clean Russia. angry
        1. Ustian
          Ustian 24 December 2013 22: 04
          +1
          Quote: major071
          And then them on the bunk. It's time to clean Russia. angry

          And no real amnesty! (In this millennium) sad
        2. kostiknet
          kostiknet 25 December 2013 16: 49
          +2
          But I wonder how many years in the States will give for public calls to give, for example, Texas, Mexico? Or for the return of Alaska and California to Russia? 3,4,5 life terms, or just go to Guantanomo, where you can sit until the end of days without any trial.
      3. Genur
        Genur 24 December 2013 13: 53
        +10
        These ECHs were created in order to push through the IDEA of the collapse of RUSSIA ... I think that all sorts of political SHOWs serve the same goals.
      4. matross
        matross 24 December 2013 17: 36
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        How much will they give? As much as Vekselberg paid for the lectures.

        That's right! Here it is necessary to beat from two sides, both shrill mongrel and those who pay for these squeals! Someone has long been Faberge asking for a hollow angry
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 24 December 2013 08: 39
      +38
      Right! Just in time!

      I liked the expression of Bulakhtin:
      "They want to divide the land for which they did not serve and did not fight!"

      Indeed, before you have the right to vote on the land, this right must be earned by fighting for it, protecting it.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 24 December 2013 12: 56
        +20
        I did not fight, but served in the days of the Union, where is the state to which I took the oath?
        Even if those who ruined it then answer according to the law of the USSR. Most of the citizens in a referendum spoke in favor of preserving the Union. But not so smart who want to give the Arctic, divide the country in the Urals, I want to say that the majority of the people are for one and not divisible. But without Novodvorskaya is bored, by God it’s boring. Her as Zadornova you listen, only with the opposite sign. And you can neigh.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 24 December 2013 13: 12
          +9
          Quote: ele1285
          But without Novodvorskaya it’s boring, by God it’s boring. You listen to her as Zadornova, only with the opposite sign. And you can laugh.

          This is the problem that some of her pearls are perceived as bullshit, while others are at face value. So the article 280.1 for Novodvorskaya is very welcome, but the terms are not enough ..
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 17
            +4
            Quote: Tersky
            Quote: ele1285
            But without Novodvorskaya it’s boring, by God it’s boring. You listen to her as Zadornova, only with the opposite sign. And you can laugh.

            This is the problem that some of her pearls are perceived as bullshit, while others are at face value. So the article 280.1 for Novodvorskaya is very welcome, but the terms are not enough ..


            Yes, there are no people who take Mad Lera seriously. Only if the same is inadequate.
            Listen - yes, but it's like a jester to listen.
          2. Vasek
            Vasek 24 December 2013 20: 45
            +5
            Quote: Tersky
            Novodvorskaya

            Quote: Tersky
            Alexander Pinhosovich Podrabinek

            Quote: Tersky
            Vekselberg

            Quote: Tersky
            all echoes



            I am not anti-Semite, many of my best friends are Jews.
            But this can be seen with the naked eye: 90 percent of all these troublemakers - "God's chosen"!
            Has the 1917 coup really taught anything?
            And the power of the USSR is not at all thanks to, but contrary to that gang (thanks to Stalin, he trod up their trochs).
            1. Alex_Ivshukov
              Alex_Ivshukov 27 December 2013 14: 51
              0
              Just thanks to ...
              Kaganovich, Kotin, Lavochkin (Aizikovich), Gurevich (together with the Armenian Mikoyan designed MiG aircraft), Zeldovich, Landau, Kikoin ...
          3. Ustian
            Ustian 24 December 2013 22: 18
            0
            Quote: Tersky
            So the article 280.1 for Novodvorskaya is very welcome, but the terms are not enough ..

            For this kind of "activists" it would be superfluous to introduce the principle of the complete addition of punishments, as in their beloved pendyasine, but not a major absorbet poenam minorem (the greater punishment absorbs the lesser) !!! sad
        2. Heccrbq.3
          Heccrbq.3 24 December 2013 16: 32
          +4
          In 93, the deputies of the Republic of Belarus came to Moscow and began to negotiate with our lawmakers on the unification of our republics, but Alconft and his entourage got their bearings on time and filled Moscow with the blood of the White House defenders and just residents
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 20
            +2
            Quote: Heccrbq.3
            In 93, the deputies of the Republic of Belarus came to Moscow and began to negotiate with our lawmakers on the unification of our republics, but Alconft and his entourage got their bearings on time and filled Moscow with the blood of the White House defenders and just residents


            What nonsense.
            Old Man also came to power under the banner of unification. Soon, for 20 years, everything has been uniting, and all Russians are to blame ...

            But in reality - it grazes as it can (I suppose I forgot everything about his words about possible conspiracies with the Ukrainians, when did he fight for gas?)

            In my opinion, the fact is that Russia is now weak enough to attract gravity (economic, military-political), but strong enough not to let the necessary countries (Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan) out of its gravity.
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 16
          +2
          Quote: ele1285
          I did not fight, but served in the days of the Union, where is the state to which I took the oath?
          Even if those who ruined it then answer according to the law of the USSR. Most of the citizens in a referendum spoke in favor of preserving the Union. But not so smart who want to give the Arctic, divide the country in the Urals, I want to say that the majority of the people are for one and not divisible. But without Novodvorskaya is bored, by God it’s boring. Her as Zadornova you listen, only with the opposite sign. And you can neigh.


          +100500
          You can't touch Novodvorskaya! This is the most striking example of "schizophrenics among us." Cool - it looks like Zhirinovsky, only the sign is different (Zhirinovsky is fascist (not a fascist, but ultra-right), N-court is liberal laughing - Ultra-liberal probably so, not left for sure)
          1. Ustian
            Ustian 24 December 2013 22: 32
            +11
            Quote: cdrt
            You can't touch Novodvorskaya! This is the most striking example of "schizo

            A RARE example of further degradation of a completely degraded "partialness" !! wassat
            1. invisibility
              invisibility 24 December 2013 22: 37
              +1
              Well, not for the night ...
              1. Ustian
                Ustian 24 December 2013 22: 54
                +2
                Quote: invisible
                Well, not for the night ...

                YES, not the black square of Malevich laughing
            2. Stanislas
              Stanislas 24 December 2013 23: 20
              +4
              laughing For free and bleach - curd, and then a brick, .. and not hard almost, well baked ...
        4. Airman
          Airman 25 December 2013 13: 33
          0
          Quote: ele1285
          . But without Novodvorskaya it’s boring, by God it’s boring. Her as Zadornova you listen, only with the opposite sign. And you can laugh.

          If everyone perceived her as you. Unfortunately, there are still many patients on the head.
      2. kaktus
        kaktus 24 December 2013 18: 31
        +5
        Having worked on this earth, for his country. And on what means do these talkers live? What they really did - as they say, they did not drive a nail into the wall. So are those who are trying to denigrate Kalashnikov — which of them even draws a nut, who worked at the plant, really, at least for a year? Housekeeping is not a shaking slogan. MB, not very logical, but from the heart .. yes
      3. cdrt
        cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 13
        +2
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        Right! Just in time!

        I liked the expression of Bulakhtin:
        "They want to divide the land for which they did not serve and did not fight!"

        Indeed, before you have the right to vote on the land, this right must be earned by fighting for it, protecting it.


        Well ... then very few have fought for our land today: veterans of the PChV, VChV, 888, special forces who are fighting in the Caucasus today.
        That's probably all.
        Afghan - not for his homeland.
        Others are old already, and there are very few of them.
        1. invisibility
          invisibility 24 December 2013 22: 45
          +1
          Afghan - not for his homeland.

          Damaging logic, excuse me. The homeland has sent - the soldier has fulfilled the duty. Everything else is from the evil one.
          Have Poland, Hungary and Austria been liberated for their homeland? For a soldier, the interests of the motherland are above all. And if interests in Papua New Guinea, then there is for the Homeland.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 26 December 2013 03: 33
            0
            Quote: invisible
            Afghan - not for his homeland.

            Damaging logic, excuse me. The homeland has sent - the soldier has fulfilled the duty. Everything else is from the evil one.


            Well, my logic may be flawed, but yours is the same as the logic of the Americans, who are proud that soldiers are protecting their American homeland by fighting ... in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia ...
            Also, after all, the Homeland (their truth, not ours) sent ...
            Yes, and the Germans in 1941-1944 fighting in your country according to your logic, it also turns out they defended their homeland ...
            I somehow do not fit your logic in my head
    4. Olegovich
      Olegovich 24 December 2013 08: 50
      -8
      And note that this law initiated exactly the GDP, which is so abused on this website, which is sliding into a frenzied liberalism.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 24 December 2013 09: 09
        +20
        Quote: Olegych
        And we note that this law initiated exactly the GDP, which is so abused on this website, which is sliding into frenzied liberalism.

        You’ve made a mistake. We are realists and we live in different parts of our country. We see and know everything perfectly. And the fact that we criticize Putin and his policy is justified for some reason. Maybe some of our sayings will reach him and understand in power, that it is necessary to turn to the people to face, and not an ass.
        1. user
          user 24 December 2013 11: 00
          +5
          In general, I think in vain the maximum sentence was reduced.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 24 December 2013 11: 17
            +3
            Yes, for such statements it is necessary to wet on the spot. As much as possible
            1. Ustian
              Ustian 24 December 2013 22: 40
              0
              Quote: Basarev
              Yes, for such statements it is necessary to wet on the spot. As much as possible

              Not time! To start, every vegetable on time! sad
          2. Vladimir65
            Vladimir65 24 December 2013 18: 31
            +4
            "From the very beginning of the Chechen war, I have drawn up numerous appeals to recognize the right of Chechnya to independence. To secession from Russia. By the way, the polls conducted during the war showed that the majority of Russian citizens agreed to" let go "of Chechnya." It is for such appeals, appeals and statements that the maximum term of punishment should be given as for treason to the Motherland.
            1. rolik2
              rolik2 24 December 2013 19: 43
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir65
              It is for such appeals, appeals and statements that the maximum term of punishment should be given as for treason to the Motherland.

              And what is the use of this republic? Apart from mastering the shocking pace of an ever-increasing subsidy.
              Is there any industry there?
              Or improved living conditions for the Russian population?
              Or is agriculture neglected?
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 24 December 2013 21: 07
                +3
                Quote: rolik2
                Is there any industry there?

                There is mining.
                But this is not a fundamental issue.
                To set a precedent for separatism is like lighting a match by a haystack!
            2. Ustian
              Ustian 24 December 2013 22: 48
              0
              Quote: Vladimir65
              It is for such appeals, appeals and statements that the maximum term of punishment should be given as for treason to the Motherland.

              Such k-hmm have no homeland! And rather it is sabotage, if not terrorism !!! sad
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 22
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Quote: Olegych
          And we note that this law initiated exactly the GDP, which is so abused on this website, which is sliding into frenzied liberalism.

          You’ve made a mistake. We are realists and we live in different parts of our country. We see and know everything perfectly. And the fact that we criticize Putin and his policy is justified for some reason. Maybe some of our sayings will reach him and understand in power, that it is necessary to turn to the people to face, and not an ass.


          Better let us her (power) than she us laughing let it be better with your back to us laughing
          Let them just not interfere, decrease as they can, get down to business, for example, defense there.
        3. alone
          alone 24 December 2013 20: 57
          +6
          of any power of the people’s sayings on the drum. don’t bother yourself. Of course, offering to dismember your own state is certainly a crime. But let’s say a fool for that, whose word doesn’t solve anything for 20 years, but a thief who threatened to declare the state by his actions at a public post negligent and not plant it, these are not methods of struggle, but the whole creation of the appearance of struggle.

          P.Su what a flag. Scatter from my nickname !!!! am
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 24 December 2013 22: 18
            0
            Why, I like the ensign. The idea itself was a good one, they cheated, yes. But for the flag on my profile picture my grandfather would have kicked me.
          2. Vasek
            Vasek 24 December 2013 23: 26
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            P.Su what a flag. Scatter from my nickname !!!!

            Yes, and I noticed, there is someone with flags indulging.
            (as in Zhvanetsky: "Pick up the phone, someone is indulging there ... We make stuffed fish here, and there someone is indulging"). laughing wassat laughing
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 24 December 2013 14: 56
        +3
        Quote: Olegych
        so blasphemed on this website that is sliding into frenzied liberalism.


        Here are those on ... liberalism on this site ??? WHERE??? You are confusing something))
      3. kaktus
        kaktus 24 December 2013 18: 33
        +2
        No, this is just a normal reaction to reality.
      4. Vasek
        Vasek 24 December 2013 21: 02
        0
        Quote: Olegych
        And note that this law initiated exactly the GDP, which is so abused on this website, which is sliding into a frenzied liberalism.


        This site is one of the few whose most users support the Country leadership and its policies (IMHO)
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 25 December 2013 00: 06
          +1
          Quote: Vasek
          This site is one of the few whose most users support the Country leadership and its policies (IMHO)


          Well, about the majority you bent, so the "majority" depends on the number of denyuzhek that otashlyayut all there "nishists", so that the "majority" could be seen)) and what people would think that the majority here support someone. I assure you there are more leftists on this site than "pro-Putinists", thank the Leader, there are no liberals here)) they are here as trolls, sometimes they surface. And so ... Peace to your home, brother, we are all patriots!
    5. realist
      realist 24 December 2013 08: 58
      +14
      Well, not so long ago, Putin and the government of China have really dumped more than one thousand of these "spans", is it really all on bunks now? that would be great ...
      1. Airman
        Airman 24 December 2013 09: 30
        +22
        Quote: Realist
        Well, not so long ago, Putin and the government of China have really dumped more than one thousand of these "spans", is it really all on bunks now? that would be great ...

        And how many thousand sq. km of water area of ​​the Barents Sea dumped norgam? He fought for her, accompanied the convoys to make such a gesture of "good" will.
        1. S-200
          S-200 24 December 2013 10: 54
          +10
          Quote: Povshnik
          And how many thousand square meters. km of the Barents Sea dumped tax?

          and I’ll insert my piglet ... And dengas, dengas, then skoka "wrote" brothers in ... reason !! crying
      2. kris
        kris 24 December 2013 12: 38
        +13
        Quote: Realist
        Well, not so long ago, Putin and the government of China have really dumped more than one thousand of these "spans", is it really all on bunks now? that would be great ...

        still this law would be retroactive!
      3. Vasek
        Vasek 24 December 2013 21: 13
        0
        Quote: Realist
        Well, not so long ago, Putin and the government of China have really dumped more than one thousand of these "spans", is it really all on bunks now? that would be great ...

        It was purely the fulfillment of the obligations proclaimed by others (on behalf of the State).
        With balabol and "stars" - IN GENERAL, NO ONE WANTS AND WILL NOT TO TALK!
    6. Canep
      Canep 24 December 2013 08: 59
      +28
      This responsibility should concern the president and the government, in case of signing an agreement with a foreign state, on transferring part of the territory to foreign jurisdiction. The term of imprisonment for them can be done in 20 years. This will put an end to the issue of the Kuril Islands.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 24 December 2013 13: 30
        +10
        Quote: Canep
        This responsibility should concern the president and the government.
    7. Airman
      Airman 24 December 2013 09: 18
      +10
      But this link literally today came the news that our powers that be are going to rent land in the Far East to the Japanese and (possibly the Chinese) with tax incentives for agriculture, since the "poor" Japs do not have enough land. And what is it called, if not trade in OUR land.

      http://news.mail.ru/politics/16238504/?frommail=1
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 24 December 2013 09: 53
        +9
        Quote: Povshnik
        And here on this link literally today news appeared that our powers that be are going to rent land in the Far East to the Japanese ...

        So the lease, and not to the population, but to a strictly limited staff, the tenant both came and left, because he has exactly as many rights as specified in the contract.
        + money (considerable) for rent to the treasury.
        + jobs for the local population (or did you decide that Yuppi will plow the land themselves?)
        Here is another example:
        1. S-200
          S-200 24 December 2013 11: 01
          +6
          Quote: And Us Rat
          jobs for the local population (or did you decide that Yuppi will plow the land themselves?

          and who else ... ???
          Let bear plows them there - he has 4 paws! wassat
        2. vkrav
          vkrav 24 December 2013 12: 04
          +13
          Quote: And Us Rat
          So rent,

          They were already giving concessions to the Japanese for logging ... Pines with roots and a couple of three cubic meters of soil were being exported ... Money is rubbish now. Turning it into full rubbish for kindling is a matter of the near future. And there are no more resources.
    8. Krilion
      Krilion 24 December 2013 09: 47
      0
      So much has been given to Russian land that the separation of the Caucasus against this background is generally imperceptible. At one time, Lenin’s decrees cut off Donbass and Kharkiv from Ukraine and stuck to Ukraine .. Russia didn’t die .. Then Khrushchev personally cut off and handed over Crimea to Ukraine — Russia didn’t die again… After the collapse of the Union, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states completely fell off and all of Central Asia .. Russia has not died again ... Against this background, it is strange to hear allegations that non-Russian land in the Caucasus is Russian (apparently then the entire population of the Caucasus should be recognized as Russian), and that if you cut off this purulent abscess from Russia populated by bandits, thieves and just wild tribes and loafers, Russia will surely die, fall apart, and endless bloodshed will begin. This is a fundamental misconception instilled from the State Department. I strongly suspect that this law was also developed in the State Department.

      Therefore, I have a request for you - less hooray and patriotism, and more sober view of life and history ..
      1. virm
        virm 24 December 2013 10: 44
        +27
        I agree. And the meaning of the slogan is “Stop feeding the Caucasus!” - does not mean separatism.
        Unlike the slogans - “Russia must return the Kuril Islands of Japan!”, “Russia can be divided along the Ural Range!”, “The Russian Arctic - under international jurisdiction!”.
        Give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese can only demand traitors and haters of Russia.
        But the demand for a fair approach to the North Caucasian peoples is a completely different matter. In their republics, Russians were killed and killed only because they are Russians. Representatives of these peoples carry terror and crime to Russian cities. They blow up houses, trains, planes, buses. Attack schools, hospitals and theaters. And at the same time huge amounts of money are being sent to these republics. Collected from poor Russian regions.
        To put on a par with calls for separatism and the demand for justice are cheating and unscrupulous fraud.
        1. max702
          max702 24 December 2013 14: 25
          +12
          And they will plant only for "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" and certainly for "Russia must return the Kurils to Japan" for this, this law is adopted and for nothing more ..
          1. Crang
            Crang 25 December 2013 22: 05
            0
            And in the appeal "Stop feeding the Caucasus" there is not a word about separatism. If someone "understands it this way" - well, that's his problem. Let the Russian language learn.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 24 December 2013 15: 28
          +1
          Quote: virm
          In their republics, Russians were killed and killed only because they are Russians.

          Mercenaries are being killed, sent by the West for Western money, there will be no Chechnya, money for killing Russians will go to Dagestan, Tatarstan, Bashkiria. The separation of the Caucasus will not solve the problem, but will transfer it deeper into Russia.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 29
            +7
            Quote: Setrac
            Quote: virm
            In their republics, Russians were killed and killed only because they are Russians.

            Mercenaries are being killed, sent by the West for Western money, there will be no Chechnya, money for killing Russians will go to Dagestan, Tatarstan, Bashkiria. The separation of the Caucasus will not solve the problem, but will transfer it deeper into Russia.


            You would read the memories of Russians who fled from Chechnya in 1991-1992.
            In fact, there was not a single Russian woman under 55 who was not raped by Chechen boys. And international bandits have nothing to do with it ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 24 December 2013 23: 14
              -4
              Quote: cdrt
              You would read the memories of Russians who fled from Chechnya in 1991-1992.
              In fact, there was not a single Russian woman under 55 who was not raped by Chechen boys. And international bandits have nothing to do with it ...

              The war occurred because the West financed it, robberies and rape are the result of the war, the culprits are Anglo-Saxons, and then Chechens.
              1. j iz sibiri
                j iz sibiri 25 December 2013 08: 28
                0
                the war was the fault of those who allowed it
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 25 December 2013 14: 29
                  0
                  Quote: j iz sibiri
                  the war was the fault of those who allowed it

                  This is the logic of the liberals, such as not a criminal to blame, but a policeman who did not stop him.
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 31
            +3
            Mercenaries are being killed, sent by the West for Western money, there will be no Chechnya, money for killing Russians will go to Dagestan, Tatarstan, Bashkiria. The separation of the Caucasus will not solve the problem, but will transfer it deeper into Russia.

            I remember hearing this in the 90s as an explanation of the need for PCV.
            At the same time, in the last interethnic skirmishes across Russia, Tatars and Bashkirs seemed to always be on the side of the Russians (to take Pugachevo too, in my opinion).
          3. Crang
            Crang 25 December 2013 22: 03
            0
            They kill us not for money, but simply because bandits and murderers. Just for fun.
        3. K9_SWAT
          K9_SWAT 24 December 2013 19: 19
          +8
          I fully support !!! I am in favor of separating Chechnya from Russia with the subsequent deportation of all Nokhchi. But first, return to the bosom of Russia the Russian city of Grozny, the Russian stanitsa Shchelkovo, May Day and others. Is it in vain that our great-grandfathers shed blood? And the kadyrku along with the hangers on the count !!!
        4. Crang
          Crang 25 December 2013 22: 08
          0
          Well yes. How many "tolerant" boobies have been born lately. Hatred can be unrighteous / biased, and sometimes righteous / objective, i.e. which has a very specific reason. Why is everyone so afraid to feel hatred for a phenomenon that is more than worthy of this hatred. It just deserved it tenfold.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 December 2013 11: 15
        +32
        Quote: Krilion
        This is a fundamental misconception instilled from the State Department


        The Caucasus should not be dumped, but put in order there, which, of course, should be accompanied by the establishment of order throughout Russia. Quite the opposite is the slogan "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" This is the slogan of the liberal kagal with white ribbons and nationalists with imperial flags on Bolotnaya Square, merged in a single impulse.
        1. The North Caucasus in any configuration cannot exist as an independent state, i.e. in any case, he will be very susceptible to external influences. We have already de facto separated Chechnya (the shame of Khasavyurt) and got a second war, we have already separated Georgia and got a war, will we repeat this experience?
        2. Radical Islam has long wanted to make the North Caucasus a part of the world caliphateBut who has proved that it will be enough for them to get only the North Caucasus? They have long been talking about the Caliphate at least to Rostov-on-Don, have long wanted to get the Muslim Volga region (Tatarstan and Bashkiria), etc.
        They will never calm down; they cannot be appeased.The result of the creation of such a caliphate in the separated Caucasus is again war.
        3. In the event of a reset of the Caucasus Muslim Volga region will automatically light up (Tataria, Bashkiria), which is already smoking now. Get the effect of falling dominoes. Further, according to the plan, the split of Russia into the European and non-European (Urals, Siberia, Far East) parts, where separatist sentiments about the center are already actively growing. The beginning of the collapse of Russia in any case sharply activates separatist sentiments wherever possible, it’s not only national regions , but the Russian regions too, already have the mood for “separating Siberia from Moscow. Work has been ongoing to convince the Cossacks that they are not Russian.
        Having dumped the North Caucasus, Russia activates the process of falling away of its other parts, regardless of what the "dumpers" think about it, they are, in fact, puppets in the wrong hands and nobody is interested in their opinion, they themselves do not affect anything, their tasks are the impact on public opinion and the organization of provocations.
        And what to do with non-Caucasian people who now live there? This is more than 700 thousand people, just the operation to transport them to other regions of Russia will cost more than any subsidies to the Caucasus and (most important) will destroy hundreds of thousands of lives.
        What to do with Caucasians - Russian citizens who want to move from the North Caucasus to Russia? What is the principle of letting them in / out? Skulls to measure? And mixed marriages? What to do with Caucasians - Russian citizens living (with a residence permit) in traditionally Russian cities?
        a multimillion fifth column throughout Russia will not go anywhere even with the separation of the Caucasus. How to evict them, for example, to take away property in Russia, to deprive of freedom of movement purely technically? But what about the Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Georgians? They are also Caucasians and there are a considerable number of Russian passports, how to deport them?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 24 December 2013 11: 17
          +22
          So these republics separated and so what? Diasporas and semi-criminal and criminal businesses appeared. Separated Middle Asia, received a multimillion-strong army of migrants in the end. I am not talking about smaller issues, such as the war between Ossetia and Ingushetia over the Prigorodny district, which was somehow stifled somehow within the framework of the Russian Federation. That is, if we save Ossetia, but separate Ingushetia, this automatically creates another 100% reason for war. Or is the war between Chechens and Ingushs? withdrawal from the North Caucasus automatically means the withdrawal of their Abkhazia and North Ossetia. It is impossible at the state level to curse the "chock" (and without this reset it will not be) and to have an alliance with one of them, it does not happen.
          By such actions we will only accelerate the process of radicalization, Islamization and Russophobic sentiments everywhere in Russia, and radical Islamists will applaud standing people who will throw the North Caucasus into their arms And in the State Department they will joyfully rub their palms and scream with happiness the lesbians of Nulanda and the Condolees.
          And restoring order in the country is not a problem of the Caucasus; it is our problem and the problem of the Russian government, which if not solved from above, sooner or later it will still be solved from below. Kondopoga, Sagra and Biryulyovo are only the first signs of this process.
          1. virm
            virm 24 December 2013 11: 45
            +7
            The multimillion army of migrants from Avg. Asia arose solely through the efforts of the current government. The process began around 2005. And not associated with the branch, which occurred in 1991. Turkmenistan was separated and nothing. We do not have migrants from Turkmenistan. And there are no excesses. The country lives - people work at home. And very good.
            Once again - the multi-million army of migrants from Wed. Asia = the result of Putin's activity.
            Conflicts in the Caucasus. So what? Ossetia - Ingushetia, Ingushetia - Chechnya, Azerbaijan - Armenia, Georgia - Abkhazia. Divide et empire. It has always been that way. And it works. Let them, of course, live peacefully and richly. We will only be happy.
            But beating your own house, just so that they do not burn, is stupid.
          2. ele1285
            ele1285 24 December 2013 13: 07
            +5
            Quote: Ascetic
            It is impossible at the state level to curse the "chock" (and without this reset it will not be) and to have an alliance with one of them, it does not happen.

            It happens that no one has canceled the slogan "Divide and rule". And we are also friends with Sr. Asia. We are friends with the Kazakhs, but this does not mean that the Turkmenbashi, or as it is now called, rub their gums.
          3. K9_SWAT
            K9_SWAT 24 December 2013 19: 22
            +6
            It is possible to restore order by deporting all persons of Chechen nationality from the territory of Russia to the mountains. Simple and effective. Something like the apartheid regime in South Africa. And there is less control over the Caucasus and there are fewer problems!
          4. both s69
            both s69 25 December 2013 03: 09
            +1
            Ascetic, I have been following your posts for a long time - they always almost get to the point in terms of objectivity (in my opinion, of course), common sense and seriousness to all the controversial issues that arise in the discussions on this site. Sometimes I get the feeling that you work somewhere in an analytical agency. In any case, thanks for the balanced approach and objectivity in the comments. wink
        2. Crang
          Crang 24 December 2013 11: 37
          -3
          Quote: Ascetic
          Quite the opposite is the slogan "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" This is the slogan of the liberal kagal with white ribbons and nationalists with imperial flags on Bolotnaya Square, merged in a single impulse.

          Of all the slogans given in the article, the slogan "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" is the only popular slogan and the only normal and correct slogan. But all the other slogans are really the intrigues of the liberal kagal. Learn to distinguish them.
          Quote: Ascetic
          The result of the creation of such a caliphate in the separated Caucasus is again war.

          Well, of course, you can't allow war, no arguments, right? Here is the "bloodthirsty" Stalin in 41 dared to fight the fascists. It was impossible! Let them cut us, rape us, hang us, burn us ... But there would be no war, right? You were talking about some kind of "liberal kagal". Have you misled anything? This liberal kagal is you.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2013 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: Krang
            Stop feeding the Caucasus! "Is the only popular slogan and the only normal and correct slogan

            we have not fed 22 republics for 14 years, has it become better to live? !!!!
            1. Crang
              Crang 24 December 2013 20: 18
              +1
              These republics, unlike the Caucasus, at least somehow worked. Many worked very well.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2013 20: 32
                0
                previously also spoke about the republic
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            2. cdrt
              cdrt 24 December 2013 20: 37
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: Krang
              Stop feeding the Caucasus! "Is the only popular slogan and the only normal and correct slogan

              we have not fed 22 republics for 14 years, has it become better to live? !!!!


              Well, it seems like from all the republics of the former USSR, the Russian Federation is among the 2-3 richest. And she was far from so rich.
              Yes, and the level of consumption per capita of 1990 seems to have reached by 2008 (of course, with greater visible inequality - earlier it was less obvious)
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2013 20: 42
                -1
                Quote: cdrt
                And she was far from so rich

                yeah? !!!!
                1. Crang
                  Crang 25 December 2013 06: 53
                  +4
                  Yes. or following your logic, since we began to live so badly (which actually follows from completely different reasons, and has no direct relation to the secession of the republics), then let's continue to support the Caucasus with our money. So? Build skyscrapers for them, and themselves contemplate the murdered shacks in central Russia. Build them roads of German quality and wash them with shampoo, and ride on pits and potholes ourselves? This is a completely idiotic and primitive attempt by our new government. Turn the obvious upside down and make people accept and love it. Will not work. WILL NOT WORK. Wanting to present black as white, and white as black and bring everything down so that there is no other alternative, and therefore "love us, vote for us, we are good, we will continue to rob you and destroy you, but this is an objective reality, it has no alternative, accept it and love us. " No Vladimir. Will not work. The people are not mindless brutes. He understands everything.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 December 2013 10: 46
                    -1
                    They spoke in exactly the same way about the republics, they say they invest all the money there, once again they began to live better?
                    and with such moods tomorrow we will live inside the golden ring
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            3. max702
              max702 3 January 2014 13: 14
              0
              Who told you that we don’t feed yet how! Count how much money Gaster from Ross takes out and sells all resources at a considerable discount and so on, and the world capital is also fed to these 14, so the quality of life is not surprising ..
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          3. j iz sibiri
            j iz sibiri 25 December 2013 08: 36
            0
            I put + you I agree with you
      3. Basarev
        Basarev 24 December 2013 11: 20
        +10
        But after all, it was very correctly said once - that way no volosts can be stocked!
    9. Nickanor
      Nickanor 24 December 2013 10: 47
      +2
      And all these boobies broadcasting for separation are locked up

      Yes, it’s not necessary to lock them, to feed them at the expense of taxpayers, and to kick them out of the country with a kick in the ass!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 24 December 2013 11: 21
        +2
        Yes, with such a kick Lead. Only not under the ass, but in the back of the head
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    11. rolik2
      rolik2 24 December 2013 10: 59
      +5
      Quote: dejavu
      create a precedent.

      Precedents are already there and not single
      In 2011, half of the Samur River’s water intake (river water is of great value - about 5 billion rubles. Azerbaijan illegally uses this water, although 96% of the gutter is Russian land) and two villages (!), Before that were part of Dagestan, together with 600 Lezghins living there, citizens of the Russian Federation.

      In 2012, Azerbaijan was given three large tracts of land with mountain pastures, of which there are practically no Dagestan, and the cultivation of which took almost the entire population of the surrounding areas.

      174 square kilometers of Russian lands were left to China without any wars, including 70% of fertile soils. With the transfer of the islands on the Amur, China moved to neighboring Khabarovsk by 50 kilometers. In Soviet times, when relations between the PRC and the USSR were expressed strained, the islands of Tarabarova and Bolshoi Ussuriysky were of strategic importance, they covered Khabarovsk in the event of a military attack. On Bolshoi Ussuriysk there was a powerful fortified area. Now the Russian island of Tarabarova, completely departing from the PRC, has turned into Chinese Yinlundao - the island of the Silver Dragon, the western part of the Greater Ussuriysk is called Heisyatsydao - the island of the Black Bear.
      Russia got nothing in this deal. A safer water border along the river. Cupid moved to land. The "buffer zone" protecting Khabarovsk from direct attack has been lost.

      Norway 12% of the Barents Sea (90 thousand square kilometers. Russian territory). In March 2013, about 565 million cubic meters of oil and gas reserves were discovered by Norwegian geologists.
      Norway de jure gained full control of the 200-mile zone around Svalbard. This is where one of the world's richest fish regions is located!
      1. GDP
        GDP 24 December 2013 13: 02
        +9
        It is a fact! The current government distributed a large amount of land, maybe not as huge as Khrushchev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but it is still hundreds of kilometers of land, thousands of kilometers of sea water.

        The island given to the Chinese occupies a key position at the confluence of two rivers and not far from Khabarovsk (at one time the Finnish war began in order to move the border a couple of tens of kilometers from Leningrad)

        The territories given to azeirbajan were given together with the population, forgetting to ask them if they want to change citizenship?

        Norway gave away a huge territory around which for decades spears with rich reserves of oil and gas have been breaking.

        Why did you do it? Perhaps there was a good reason? But then why didn’t they say anything about this to the people, but did it in a quiet place like thieves ....
      2. Genur
        Genur 24 December 2013 14: 05
        +4
        Descendants (not we, unfortunately) will honor these farmers ...
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 24 December 2013 15: 03
          +4
          Quote: Genur
          Descendants (not we, unfortunately) will pay tribute to these farmers ...


          Have we paid back to past farmers? AND? So the descendants will not repay ...
          There is even no talk in society about the criminal responsibility of the Yeltsin-Gorbachev brothers, well, this is understandable, then it would be necessary to put the entire State Duma and the Government together with a "prezik" by the way, who will allow such conversations!
    12. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 24 December 2013 13: 24
      +3
      Quote: dejavu
      And all these boobies broadcasting for separation are locked up.
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 24 December 2013 13: 57
        +8
        It turns out that responsibility will be only for words. And when they silently give land - responsibility is not provided.
    13. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2013 14: 38
      0
      Quote: dejavu
      under the castle

      either to the wall (sorry the gallows, they didn’t deserve to be shot) or life-long hard labor, from which lyadu we should also keep them !!!
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    15. Heccrbq.3
      Heccrbq.3 24 December 2013 16: 26
      +2
      Shevardnadze, with the connivance of a humpback (or rather, with consent), gave offshore territories of Norway “Tarabarov” and “Bolshoy Ussuriyskiy” on the Amur River to China in 2005! Medvedev gave Norway 175 thousand square kilometers of water area - fish spots in the Barents Sea and the Arctic ocean, and the agreement with the Norwegians, signed in September 2010, where almost 175 thousand square kilometers of water near Svalbard departs to Norway, where our Northern Fishery Fleet mined from 60 to 70 percent of its annual fishing? And I didn’t list everything, here such things Deja vu.
      1. Olegovich
        Olegovich 24 December 2013 17: 34
        -1
        Look at the map of the section with Norway - and all this lie about donated kilometers will evaporate
    16. zennon
      zennon 24 December 2013 17: 25
      +1
      Cut and give an inch of the Russian land, create a precedent

      But nothing of the precedents of dogs like us that haven’t been chopped! Everyone but Stalin, the rulers of Russia in this century have been distributing Russian lands. We will not take Malenkov, Andropov and Chernenko because of the insignificant terms of their reign.ALL the rest for a sweet soul! From Nicholas II to Putin. And now you see:
      deputies of the State Duma from the faction of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation acted as the author of the bill introducing criminal sanctions against persons claiming the need to separate one territory or another from the Russian Federation.

      Well, who’s frolic! Besides, if this bill is adopted, it means that discussions on this issue are impossible. It’s not possible to defend atheistic positions now. Where are we going?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 24 December 2013 19: 43
        +4
        Quote: zennon
        Where are we going?
    17. Donvel
      Donvel 24 December 2013 19: 39
      +2
      And now those who really want to feed the Caucasus are a step forward.
    18. Angry reader
      Angry reader 24 December 2013 19: 43
      0
      Forum users enlighten !! Templates are torn !! I watched Khodorkovsky’s interview with Zhenechka Albats, reviewed it again .. I still don’t understand .. What happened to Khodor ?! Straight master ...
    19. cdrt
      cdrt 24 December 2013 19: 59
      +3
      Here the horses mixed up, people ... laughing

      The printer is really furious. After all, a variety of concepts were mixed.
      1. We really have more land than we can master laughing - and in this fact there are no calls for separatism

      2. Another thing - why is it something to give something to someone.
      We didn’t conquer, and not to us.
      The call to give the land - according to the concepts of, for example, the people of the Huns - the basis for the death penalty (because land is the basis of the people)

      3. The third question - "Stop feeding the Caucasus."
      By the way - this is not a call to secession of the Caucasus, but a call to stop dating it.
      It turns out that those who deny this slogan recognize that if the Caucasus is not fed, it will immediately separate.
      Silence of the problem of the fact that today the Russians and Caucasians are unable to live together will not lead to anything good - the problem will simply go deep and deepen.
      1. family tree
        family tree 24 December 2013 20: 29
        +4
        From the very beginning of the Chechen war, I have drawn up numerous appeals calling for recognition of Chechnya’s right to independence. To secede from Russia. By the way, polls conducted during the war showed that most Russian citizens agree "let go" Chechnya.

        In the questionnaires, like "lower" was written? what Not?
  2. Deniska999
    Deniska999 24 December 2013 08: 22
    +6
    It is clear that the West wants to divide Russia. Even among our oppositionists such treacherous thoughts were expressed.
    1. Christian
      Christian 24 December 2013 08: 30
      +24
      Do not forget, the West has already divided Russia! RF is just a splinter of Great Russia!
      violations of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation
      "I am against! It is necessary to restore the lost parts of Russia (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova), and not to preserve the destroyed!"
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 24 December 2013 09: 44
        +5
        Yes, one of the shareholders of Novaya Gazeta, the city of Gorbachev, did a good job of squandering Russian lands
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        1. RUSS
          RUSS 24 December 2013 10: 29
          +6
          Quote: Clegg
          Quote: Christian
          It is necessary to restore the lost parts of Russia (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova), and not save the destroyed!

          XR-E-N YOU, NOT KAZAKHSTAN


          Well, it's not up to you.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 24 December 2013 10: 51
            .
            Quote: RUSS
            Well, it's not up to you.

            and to whom? what do you want?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 24 December 2013 11: 24
              +3
              Quote: Clegg
              Quote: RUSS
              Well, it's not up to you.

              and to whom? what do you want?


              No and not me.
        2. Krilion
          Krilion 24 December 2013 10: 45
          +11
          say thank you to Russia that there is such a geopolitical entity as Kazakhstan, and even with generously cut borders, again at the expense of Russia ... so you would still exist in the format of nomadic tribes and did not know what statehood is ... so you can stick it what I wrote to myself in the ass .... and, in all honesty, Russia needs Kazakhstan as the fifth wheel in a cart ....
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 24 December 2013 10: 54
            .
            Quote: Krilion
            moreover, with generously cut borders, again at the expense of Russia ...

            Come on years, acts and documents of the lands transferred by Russia to Kazakhstan
            1. holderrr
              holderrr 24 December 2013 11: 05
              +8
              And the Semirechye Cossack army and its land is not a fact for you?
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 24 December 2013 13: 19
                -4
                Quote: holderrr
                And the Semirechye Cossack army and its land is not a fact for you?

                Do not tell, so the facts will be or not?
                1. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 24 December 2013 22: 00
                  +5
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Do not tell, so the facts will be or not?

                  What did you come to touch? So soon leave China, then the facts will be.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 25 December 2013 07: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Victor-M
                    What did you come to touch?

                    Everyone should be responsible for their words, otherwise why tryndet ?!
        3. virm
          virm 24 December 2013 10: 46
          +4
          Kazakhstan is not needed. Its southern part.
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      4. michajlo
        michajlo 24 December 2013 18: 14
        +2
        Christian (1) RU Today, 08:30 ↑

        Do not forget, the West has already divided Russia! RF is just a splinter of Great Russia!
        violations of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation
        "I am against! It is necessary to restore the lost parts of Russia (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova), and not to preserve the destroyed!"


        I agree with you!

        It's time to gather together the dispersed republics and be the first to start with my own "independent American girl." Stop giving away and SHARING what our fathers and grandfathers shed their blood for.

        And the sooner the criminal punishment of all THESE of our POLITICIANS is overtaken in the whole expanse of the post-USSR, generous to distribution and division, the better.

        Moreover, it is imperative to introduce criminal penalties and the confiscation of all the property of the RVS to extend to all RELATIVES and heirs of such traitors to the motherland. That's when the number of squanders and donors will sharply decrease, and their relatives will simply strangle such a "SON OF THE PEOPLE and GUARANTOR".
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 December 2013 08: 30
      +14
      All our opposition followers of Herzen, only know how to spoil their homeland
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 29
        +9
        Quote: ivshubarin
        All our opposition followers of Herzen, only know how to spoil their homeland


        But this m .... loved Europe very much. And he was the first to agitate the population of the Russian Empire to bury this very empire.

        Russia laid eyes like a vampire on the fate of Europe.
        (A.I. Herzen)
        1. Christian
          Christian 24 December 2013 09: 36
          +12
          Notice the nationality of Herzen-Jew. All liberal intellectuals and Jewish traitors.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 24 December 2013 10: 07
            +9
            I notice that all gauds from the time of Herzen live in London or Paris. And Herzen was sponsored by Rothschild, I think little has changed and now
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          3. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 December 2013 10: 25
            0
            Quote: Christian
            Notice the nationality of Herzen-Jew. All liberal intellectuals and Jewish traitors.

            Captain Inadequacy fellow
            Well - again, you have a relapse sad
            And I just started to think that you're on the mend No.
            Ahhh, I understand - you need a dose !!! laughing
            Well, then it will not rust after me - catch it! wink


            laughing laughing laughing
            1. user
              user 24 December 2013 11: 04
              +8
              Yes, this is not a relapse, it’s just like some kind of muck appears (admin removes all other words) on this topic, so it is certain that a Jew is turning around. Although there is no Pale of Settlement and the state has it, but no anyway. . . .
          4. virm
            virm 24 December 2013 10: 49
            +9
            They are incorrigible. But! No lethal repression against these cosmopolitans. Deprive of citizenship and deported to their historical homeland. Without them, the air will be cleaner.
          5. Stanislas
            Stanislas 24 December 2013 19: 13
            +5
            Quote: Christian
            Notice the nationality of Herzen-Jew. All liberal intellectuals and Jewish traitors.

            I want to object. First, a Jew is not a nationality, but a denomination. If you mean the Jews, then, secondly, they are very different, like Russians, Georgians, etc. In my life there were 2 bosses with the recognizable surname Kogan. The first - Kogan AB, an outstanding Russian scientist, was the founder and director of the Research Institute of Neurocybernetics in Rostov. You can go to their website and read there with what warmth and gratitude the employees of various nationalities respond about it, moreover, not on the day of the funeral, but several years after his death. The second - the usual bastard and swindler, which are enough in excess. I do not like the Nazis, even Russian, even Jewish, at least some. In addition, Nazi statements contribute to separatist sentiments no weaker than direct calls for secession. If tomorrow in the Jewish Autonomous Region a lot starts for transferring to the jurisdiction of Israel, then it will be on your conscience.
      2. Christian
        Christian 24 December 2013 14: 58
        +9
        In those days (the 19th century) in Russia there was a sharp discussion between the Slavophiles and the Westerners. The Westerners won, the result is a revolution and the collapse of the Power. Now this fight has flared up with a new force. If the Westerners win again, there will be trouble in Russia!
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    4. Retx
      Retx 24 December 2013 09: 05
      +14
      Even Khodorkovsky (his opinion also deserves attention), in an interview with Albats (the one who divided Russia along the Ural ridge) called the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation a priority question, which made her face twist, like the rest of the liberals.
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 24 December 2013 11: 52
        +15
        Quote: RETX
        Even Khodorkovsky (his opinion also deserves attention), in an interview with Albats (the one who divided Russia along the Ural Range) called the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation a priority issue

        So here it is a recipe for vaccinating love for the motherland for liberals and other shit! 10 years in a colony and sobriety returns to a person. So grandfather Stalin was right, a suitable method.
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 24 December 2013 13: 12
        0
        Quote: RETX
        , from which that face twisted,

        Not only the mug, but also the lower lips to slurp the beginning.
      3. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 25 December 2013 01: 13
        +1
        Quote: RETX
        called the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation a priority question, from which that face twisted,

        And now he can’t talk differently. If he broadcasts against Russia what they want to provoke him into, he could immediately become a victim of the bloody GEBNI and a hero who died in an unequal struggle against PUTINISM, and Moisha isn’t, D-ra = k, he’s the habits of his colleagues in the fight against Russia now he knows and not without reason is already afraid of them, not the FSB. bully
  3. INTER
    INTER 24 December 2013 08: 24
    +8
    They did what they took right, it’s ripe as never before. Russia must grow stronger, return its former territories, restore the army and justice on earth.
  4. MolGro
    MolGro 24 December 2013 08: 31
    +7
    must be judged and deprived of citizenship !!!
  5. engineer74
    engineer74 24 December 2013 08: 32
    +4
    Eh ... it's a pity that the law has no retroactive effect. sad
    1. Airman
      Airman 24 December 2013 13: 52
      +4
      Quote: engineer74
      Eh ... it's a pity that the law has no retroactive effect. sad

      Then the unruly would go to trial.
    2. Genur
      Genur 24 December 2013 14: 16
      +2
      About retroactive force.
      Alaska, Crimea ... Alexander II, Khrushchev ...
      They also did not care about Russia.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 24 December 2013 14: 20
        +3
        Alexander the second sold Alaska, but did not give. He had no choice, the Angles would have taken for free, there was no one to defend her
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 December 2013 15: 50
          +2
          Quote: ivshubarin
          Alexander the second sold Alaska, but did not give. He had no choice, the Angles would have taken for free, there was no one to defend her

          So you can justify anyone.
  6. ddd1975
    ddd1975 24 December 2013 08: 33
    +13
    It seems that the Balts are sitting in our parliament .... here they are slowing down. Although such a law still had to be passed in 1991, before the Bialowieza case.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 December 2013 08: 46
      +12
      Quote: ddd1975
      It seems that the Balts are sitting in our parliament ...

      They are waiting for Putin to suggest this; earlier they cannot move on their own, they just sit on TV shows.

      In general, it’s true that some now have to think hard before they say something about the “overly vast” territory of Russia
      Someone will have to shut up!
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 24 December 2013 08: 55
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Someone will have to shut up!

        The article should also be applied to the media publishing such "slogans", and the term should be increased to the ceiling. Sasha, hi !
      2. artifox
        artifox 24 December 2013 09: 53
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They are waiting for Putin to suggest this; earlier they cannot move on their own, they just sit on TV shows.

        Is it a secret that we have "manual" control?

        No matter how they scold VVP, but for some reason all the changes that lead to any improvements take place exactly when Putin turns on "manual" control.
        So it is not necessary to blame the GDP ... Oh, not him ...
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 December 2013 11: 15
          +9
          Quote: artifox
          So it is not necessary to blame the GDP ... Oh, not him ...


          The boyars are scum, all the troubles are from them. And the king is good.
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 24 December 2013 11: 51
            +8
            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: artifox
            So it is not necessary to blame the GDP ... Oh, not him ...


            The boyars are scum, all the troubles are from them. And the king is good.


            I understand your irony. Let's leave the tsar for now, but the boyars are really bastards, all the trouble was always from them, Stalin understood this, and the bulk of the repressed are precisely the "boyars" - large and smaller, but they are boyars. The Union, by the way, they also drank hi
        2. predator.3
          predator.3 24 December 2013 12: 55
          +8
          Quote: artifox
          So it is not necessary to blame the GDP ... Oh, not him ...

          Well, yes, and Serdyukov, Fursenko, Chubais, Medvedev "themselves" appointed !!!
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 24 December 2013 22: 10
            +1
            Quote: predator.3
            Well, yes, and Serdyukov, Fursenko, Chubais, Medvedev "themselves" appointed !!!

            The trouble in Russia is from the so-called little people - "weathercocks", wherever you blow there they run. The human factor is the most unpredictable thing, the mood is good, we say one thing, tomorrow it has deteriorated, we start hating everyone, there is no constancy. So then what to demand from others, see into yourself. fool
    2. kaktus
      kaktus 24 December 2013 18: 39
      0
      There was a kind of article in the Criminal Code
  7. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 24 December 2013 08: 34
    +6
    Any politician understands - he annexed the land - you will go down in history for centuries to the "great", firstly you will give the land a political corpse, and secondly, you will stand in a row with Gorbachev (having entered history as a traitor), Generations of Russians mastered the Arctic and that their labors, deprivation , the conquered bridgeheads and the great experience to give away ??? And to whom ???? To those who have never given us anything at all))), the right implies a duty and vice versa))), so let the territories of Poland and the Baltic states be given back to us by evicting the locals from there - then we will change to the Arctic ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 December 2013 08: 47
      +7
      It depends on which side you look at, for us Gorbachev will go down in history as a traitor, for Germany as a collector of German lands. I think the second is more expensive for this Mr. NI and not only for him, not for nothing that all our "patriots" have real estate abroad
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    3. Syrzhn
      Syrzhn 24 December 2013 08: 48
      +2
      Have you noticed how some Russian politicians handed out Russian lands and did not become political corpses?
    4. evgenm55
      evgenm55 24 December 2013 13: 00
      +4
      On which x..r..e..n we need this impoverished Poland and especially the labuses - how can the deflated, devastated lands be compared with the riches of the Arctic? The Baltic states, as history shows, and that will be part of Russia - give me time.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 24 December 2013 15: 16
        +4
        Quote: evgenm55
        impoverished poland and especially labuses

        Can I tell you what the queues are at the checkpoints in "impoverished" Poland on weekends? So these "rich" Russians go for sausages and other food.
        Let’s essentially, you don’t need to shit neighbors. I’m smearing them, they will stink their hands ...
    5. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 24 December 2013 14: 11
      +4
      No need to change anything for anything. Both this and that are necessary. And locals where are you going to evict? In addition, there are many Russians in the Baltics since time immemorial. Russia needs to become a center of attraction, as it was already in our history, then all the small states (our former suburbs) will reach us themselves.
  8. 12571752dima
    12571752dima 24 December 2013 08: 36
    +1
    "And who are the judges? .." All this smacks of hypocrisy after the surrender of our Russian territory on the Amur to China.
  9. andrei332809
    andrei332809 24 December 2013 08: 36
    +9
    oh, my mother is a woman ... that's when you regret that there is no 5th department of the KGB. For a long time already sat on state grubs in any dypke
    1. virm
      virm 24 December 2013 10: 56
      +2
      KGB Committee State security. The state is the USSR. Where is it? This is the result of this committee. By the end of the 80s there was no ideological left. More and more, businessmen.
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 24 December 2013 08: 39
    +12
    Pinhosovich Podrabinek

    Yes, for such a middle name and last name negative you can immediately give five points ...
    1. Shuriken
      Shuriken 24 December 2013 10: 51
      +5
      So already: In 1978, Podrabinek was arrested for "slandering the Soviet system" and sentenced to 5 years of exile in northeastern Siberia. [
    2. virm
      virm 24 December 2013 10: 57
      +6
      )))
      "There is no such thing that could not serve a Jew for a surname."
      A.P.Chekhov.
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 24 December 2013 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: retired
      Pinhosovich Podrabinek

      Yes, for such a middle name and last name negative you can immediately give five points ...


      Yeah, and plus ten "on the horns" laughing
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 24 December 2013 12: 47
        +3
        Well, between the horns once ... repeat
  11. Syrzhn
    Syrzhn 24 December 2013 08: 42
    +7
    It’s interesting, and what article is crying for those who, without any appeals, took and distributed Russian lands ?!
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 24 December 2013 09: 14
      +2
      So, on June 17, the State Duma of the Russian Federation ratified the State Border Agreement with Azerbaijan, which was signed by the heads of two states - Dmitry Medvedev and Ilham Aliyev in Baku on September 3, 2010.

      June 22, it was approved by the Federation Council. And there is no doubt that in the very near future the president of the country will approve this agreement. In fact, it would probably be ridiculous to expect a person to abandon the formal procedure for approving a document that he himself signed a little less than a year ago.

      According to this agreement, two whole villages of Khrakh-Uba and Uryan-Uba, officially part of the Magaramkent region of Dagestan and which are Russian enclaves in Azerbaijan, were actually unilaterally transferred to the jurisdiction of this country.
      It is necessary to buy here the Amur region, the islands of Tarabarov, Damansky, part of the Greater Usurian, just look JUST AT YOUR LOOK THE BORDER IS DRAWED ????
      Who will support the President of the GDPU ????
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 24 December 2013 09: 41
        +9
        Hi Asgard(Xnumx) Why is your border with China passing along the Chinese coast, and not along the middle of the fairway or along our coast? You do not know what agreement, on this issue, Yeltsin signed with China? It was the lack of agreement on this issue that led to the events in Domansky. I do not want a repetition of this.
        Agreements must be implemented regardless of the name of the president.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 24 December 2013 13: 23
          +2
          And if tomorrow Bunsha IV comes to power (hypothetically), then do you have to fulfill his agreements? Will the country not get poorer? And it’s kind of strange, we’ll break away from Ukraine, and here the agreements that are necessary for (Western) politicians just to to break them.
        2. BSrazvedka
          BSrazvedka 24 December 2013 16: 16
          +2
          In general, the case of the absence of any agreements is also stipulated by international law. In this case, if the border passes along the river and this river is navigable, then the line of the main channel is accepted as the border, which is used equally by both parties; if on this account, as mentioned above, there is no other contract.
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 24 December 2013 09: 46
        +19
        - This was one of Dmitry Medvedev's huge mistakes. During his presidency, he gave gifts to the West at every opportunity. Do you want, gentlemen, to change the regime in Libya? You are welcome. (In 2011, when the UN Security Council adopted a resolution on Libya, Russia abstained in the vote, “SP”). Want tighter sanctions on Iran? No problem. (In June 2010, at the negotiations between Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev, the parties agreed to strengthen sanctions against the DPRK and Iran, “JV”). Want a new START? Receive without delay. In this series of Medvedev's concessions, the division of the so-called “gray zone” in the Barents Sea was one of the most significant. Soviet diplomats were not stupid if for decades they did not agree to this step.

        The final decision was made under pressure from Medvedev personally. On the eve of his visit to Norway, he asked to see what inconsistent problems are in the coffin of Russian-Norwegian relations. And - a suitable problem was found. Instead of dividing the Barents Sea gradually - gaining something in the northern zone, losing something in the southern one - Medvedev cut the Gordian knot in one fell swoop. As a result, Russia has lost everything.

        The current division line of the Barents Sea lies entirely on Medvedev’s conscience. I propose to call it that way - the Medvedev line - by analogy with the 1991 Shevardnadze-Baker line (agreement between the USSR and the USA on the demarcation of economic zones and the continental shelf in the Chukchi and Bering Seas; in fact, Shevardnadze gave the Americans 34 thousand square miles of oil-bearing region sole by decision, and then led him through the Politburo - “SP”).
        Otherwise, you cannot call such agreements shameful.
      3. Airman
        Airman 24 December 2013 09: 58
        +5
        Quote: Asgard
        So, on June 17, the State Duma of the Russian Federation ratified the State Border Agreement with Azerbaijan, which was signed by the heads of two states - Dmitry Medvedev and Ilham Aliyev in Baku on September 3, 2010.

        June 22, it was approved by the Federation Council. And there is no doubt that in the very near future the president of the country will approve this agreement. In fact, it would probably be ridiculous to expect a person to abandon the formal procedure for approving a document that he himself signed a little less than a year ago.

        According to this agreement, two whole villages of Khrakh-Uba and Uryan-Uba, officially part of the Magaramkent region of Dagestan and which are Russian enclaves in Azerbaijan, were actually unilaterally transferred to the jurisdiction of this country.
        It is necessary to buy here the Amur region, the islands of Tarabarov, Damansky, part of the Greater Usurian, just look JUST AT YOUR LOOK THE BORDER IS DRAWED ????
        Who will support the President of the GDPU ????

        Vladimir, I have been looking for your comments for a long time, they are always accurate and have links that cannot be refuted. Therefore, some "uryakalka" do not like them and minus you, I think that soon they will see clearly.
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 24 December 2013 11: 57
          +9
          And it’s good that they are minus, I think the votes in general, and minus they basically put themselves)))
          I have many comments with a small common figure, but if you open the story, it is clear that the WORDS have hooked many ....
          So that MATURE))) the main thing is that they react, but if there were 0 (zero)) I would be upset ....
          Well and most importantly, there are more and more People (who live their minds)) they write to me in a personal way, share links, ask questions = live People ... And given that EVERYTHING will move ONE, this is an awesome result ...
          I am more worried that "ON" does not break the "wood" recently, calls to shoot someone or hang someone are gaining a large number of votes ...
          This is a bad trend ... When you vote to hang Serdyukov, always project the situation on Kvachkova (or on yourself)) IS THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM CORRECTLY ACCESSED ???? by shooting ???

          I have a feeling of "error" until I see where and I do not understand, but something is ALREADY GOING WRONG .......
          Quote: Boris55
          Why is your border with China passing along the Chinese coast, and not in the middle of the fairway

          SORRY BORIS, used the finished picture, by agreement should go along the fairway ....
          The Chinese changed the fairway by pouring the bottom of the river and pinch off a little from the big Northern neighbor. Here in the country, if a neighbor in this way crashes into your site-How do you look at this (wipe yourself out and consider that it is "fair" ???????????
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 24 December 2013 16: 40
            +1
            Quote: Asgard
            SORRY BORIS, used a ready-made picture, by agreement should go along fairway.

            And where is the fairway?smile



            I do not condone this state of affairs, but it is necessary to agree ... the uncertainty in the question of the interstate border can turn into a new Damansky ...
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 24 December 2013 17: 18
              0
              Temple - Chapel:

          2. Airman
            Airman 25 December 2013 13: 49
            +1
            Quote: Asgard
            And it’s good that they are minus, I think the votes in general, and minus they basically put themselves)))
            ]


            Another surprise is that there are 12 "people" on the site who justify the trade in the Motherland. And this is scary, especially if they are young.
    2. virm
      virm 24 December 2013 10: 58
      0
      They are called national leaders.
  12. ramsi
    ramsi 24 December 2013 08: 42
    -2
    Caucasus - a fat leech on the body of Russia
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    2. 31231
      31231 24 December 2013 10: 40
      +7
      But nothing, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union has been living with the Caucasus for several centuries ?!
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 24 December 2013 11: 07
        -8
        Quote: 31231
        But nothing, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union has been living with the Caucasus for several centuries ?!

        And it was a tragic mistake
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    3. Syrzhn
      Syrzhn 24 December 2013 10: 44
      +2
      Capitalist kleptocracy is a fat boa constrictor on the body of Russia.
    4. Luga
      Luga 24 December 2013 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: ramsi
      Caucasus - a fat leech on the body of Russia

      The Caucasus is a diamond in the crown of the Russian Empire, enshrined in it with the blood of Russian soldiers. And in order for the diamonds to sparkle, they just need to be cleaned in a timely and thorough manner from dust and dirt.
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      4. ramsi
        ramsi 25 December 2013 07: 58
        -1
        but the fact of the matter is that "cleaning" is obtained only with new blood. Who would have driven this "diamond" for a cheap price, in order to somehow beat back what was thrown in there ... And in general, where is the logic, when what had to be held with both hands - the Baltic states, Moldova, Ukraine - was thrown off, but what I had to quit at the first opportunity - the Caucasus - they grabbed ...
  13. avant-garde
    avant-garde 24 December 2013 08: 43
    +13
    dedicated to everyone who wants to divide Russia
  14. Crang
    Crang 24 December 2013 08: 45
    +33
    "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" - Where is the respected author, you saw the call for the separation of Russia? It is already essentially disconnected. The North Caucasus is now de facto occupied by an army of militants who live there according to their own laws, contrary to the laws of the Russian Federation. And to whom all of Russia pays tribute and fully supports them. Only a clinical oligophrenia could create such an inconceivable situation. People who chant "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" believe that the Caucasus should become an integral part of the Russian Federation and live according to all the laws of the Russian Federation. What would they be can exactly the same as all other citizens of the Russian Federation. What would they be NOT ALSO as other citizens of the Russian Federation. And that they would live as they work (not cut). This is what the words "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" Mean. Today's unfair situation, which is obvious and understandable even to a school student, causes tons of popular hatred for the so-called. "power" created this situation. Silly and inept attempts by the authorities to present this evidence as something different or simply not to notice it increase this hatred in the square. The words and actions of the Caucasians (whom the same authorities are trying to present as white and fluffy) increase this hatred in a cube. So the "most influential person of 2013" doesn't seem to have any effect on anything. And such a "position" will sooner or later lead to one thing - to the Revolution, which will return the USSR.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 24 December 2013 09: 05
      +9
      Put Krang plus. Quiet. Silently. No comments.
    2. Luga
      Luga 24 December 2013 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: Krang
      “Enough to feed the Caucasus!” - and where is the respected author, did you see a call for the separation of Russia?


      "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" - a slogan that is understood in different ways by different people and this is the only reason it is bad. Personally, when I heard it for the first time, I understood it exactly as "Separate the Caucasus for hell!", Especially since I heard it from some liberal, though I don’t remember which one, which I regret now.
      "Let's put things in order in the Caucasus!" I personally like it much more, for this slogan I am ready to follow.

      And one more message of yours, which made me welcome to write a comment.
      Quote: Krang
      And such a "position" will sooner or later lead to one thing - to the Revolution, which will return the USSR.

      The revolution itself is destructive. And the process of creating a great state, like the USSR was, is a great long-term creative work. The result of the revolution can only and exclusively collapse, examples, I believe, are known to you. The restoration of the USSR, or rather, a power comparable in size, strength and influence to it, is possible only if there will be NO REVOLUTIONS in Russia for another twenty to thirty years.

      Otherwise, I completely agree with you.
      1. Crang
        Crang 25 December 2013 06: 56
        +1
        Quote: Luga
        The revolution itself is destructive.

        To build something new, you need to completely get rid of the old. The revolution is destructive, but it is logical. This is a natural course of some historical events. We built the USSR only after the revolution. The tsarist regime rotted and completely discredited itself. We would not have built a superpower on the basis of tsarist Russia. In the same way now. No matter how many years have passed. On this rotten unjust and stealing foundation, we will never build any superpower. Believe me. GDP from the screens of the media tells you that everything is fine and everything is improving. But in fact, everything is slowly but surely getting worse.
  15. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 24 December 2013 08: 45
    +3
    from the Don.
    Well then! Better later than never!
  16. JonnyT
    JonnyT 24 December 2013 08: 50
    +10
    power goes wrong! Instead of educating highly moral patriots of the Motherland, who will not even think about selling their native land, they write "draconian laws" that help keep a pack of Jewish-Masonic thieves afloat!
    They themselves sell Russian land ...... oil, gas, ore, timber, diamonds and more - everything goes beyond the hill!
    They don’t want to restore their own production, they don’t support medium-sized businesses ..... for kickbacks they let foreign companies that squeeze Russians out onto the domestic market ......
    And yet this law is very fueling the West in the ideological struggle!
    They themselves have grown a society of traitors! Previously, if he had blurted out something like that, he would have gone straight away.
    Another concert for the lamb
  17. makarov
    makarov 24 December 2013 08: 57
    +5
    Recently, every other day, trolls-assholes have appeared on the site, and the admins "don't catch mice" and "turn on" only at the end of the day ..
  18. Nitarius
    Nitarius 24 December 2013 09: 00
    -1
    NEED, NEED! ON the NUMBER of such provocateurs!
    TO Siberia WORK FOR THE BIRTH OF THE MOTHERLAND!
    Khodarkovsky WENT OUT --- the place is VACANT ......

    IT IS NECESSARY TO RETURN --_ ALASKA, UKRAINE to Russia, FINLAND - until 1917 it was part of Russia.
    1. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 24 December 2013 09: 07
      +2
      Forgot about Poland. As well as Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Belarus, Moldova, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and many more who can be returned))) Some only beckon themselves will come running. But do we need it ???
      1. virm
        virm 24 December 2013 11: 04
        +4
        Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan - definitely not necessary.
  19. s.cot
    s.cot 24 December 2013 09: 02
    +5
    Yeah, now it’s impossible to propagandize, but to negotiate quietly (with Norway, China, USA) and slightly, slightly move the border, it’s possible, this is international cooperation ...
  20. realist
    realist 24 December 2013 09: 05
    +4
    I support, JonnyT, and in order to educate such patriots, the main thing is that the government itself should have a high moral character, respect and trust of the people, but this is not close yet. And you also need people to live and be proud of themselves, their loved ones and their people, and with confidence looked forward, and not with nostalgia back and with envy over the hill. here then there will be patriots who will put things in order around and any calls for the collapse of the country will simply hang in the air. and nothing can be solved with repression alone.
  21. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 24 December 2013 09: 08
    +3
    We will not give an inch of land to the enemy. We don’t need a stranger, but we don’t even open our mouths
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 24 December 2013 10: 08
      +4
      Quote: REDBLUE
      We don’t need a stranger

      But isn’t it time to release the globe of Russia? wassat
  22. pv1005
    pv1005 24 December 2013 09: 11
    +2
    Article of the Criminal Code must be supplemented + mandatory confiscation of property. As they say start with yourself, show an example. Separate your summer house, apartment, car, .... and most citizens will agree and the boundaries of your little worlds will change.
  23. Same lech
    Same lech 24 December 2013 09: 12
    +8
    Alexander Valerievich Skobov, this deputy from an apple to see a patient completely, with his dreams, the Chechens will quickly cut off his head, fuck his wife and sell his children into slavery.
    Chechnya had the opportunity after Khasavyurt to disperse in a civilized manner, but the Chechens have forgotten the main rule of independence - WE NEED TO LEARN TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH NEIGHBORS.
    And I remember the summaries of those times — endless robberies, murders, theft is exorbitant, so the only way to stop this was to WAR with them (which is still true with them in another way).
  24. waisson
    waisson 24 December 2013 09: 20
    +9
    to stop feeding Chechnya and make it work — no matter how much a jackal feeds, he will still be wild, but on a chain and forced to work out a piece of bread it must
    1. Airman
      Airman 24 December 2013 09: 51
      +2
      Quote: waisson
      to stop feeding Chechnya and make it work — no matter how much a jackal feeds, he will still be wild, but on a chain and forced to work out a piece of bread it must

      From the jackal, even the dog of the chain does not work, he robs the pack.
  25. Tanysh
    Tanysh 24 December 2013 09: 21
    +3
    Finally, at least some movement to preserve Russia, which was collected bit by bit on the ancestors. There is an offer! no need to knock, you must immediately write in the comments on any article aimed at dividing Russia the term that the author deserves. Then there’s no empty talk
  26. darksoul
    darksoul 24 December 2013 09: 25
    +6
    I am surprised by the kind of people who shout out to distribute .... let our ancestors say this, so much blood has been spilled for this land ..... but right now either from dementia or for reasons of monetary maturity from third parties gathered to give out. WHO DOESN'T LIKE OUR HOMELAND NAKH ... FROM RUSSIA, IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO FIND A LESS COUNTRY IF OUR EXTRAORDINARY SPACES ARE PRESSED, Well, the Caucasus should be stopped feeding in black and not disconnected .... show people what you can work
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 December 2013 09: 51
      +2
      Our expanses are actually crushing, "Great" Britain and you can't see it on the map, but was the largest empire in the world.
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  27. Boris55
    Boris55 24 December 2013 09: 25
    +5
    Any word spoken or written is a management process.
    Well, finally, responsibility for this word will appear for freedom of speech.
    There will be a state policy in ideology aimed at maintaining the integrity of the state.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 24 December 2013 11: 38
      -1
      Who wants to ruin Russia.

  28. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 24 December 2013 09: 32
    +3
    It is high time to send the Yabloko liberals to places not so remote.
  29. PSih2097
    PSih2097 24 December 2013 09: 33
    +1
    Alexander Valerievich Skobov (ex-member of the Yabloko party, ex-dissident, person who in 2010 actively supported the idea of ​​“Putin must leave”), the pages of the publication Grani.ru said at the stage of introducing the bill to the State Duma:
    ... through blogs, social networks and illegal samizdat.

    Because of such freaks, samizdat has to go through Europe (through a proxy server) ...
  30. pahom54
    pahom54 24 December 2013 09: 35
    +4
    Correct and timely law. All Albats, Sokurov and the like should be reminded that not from the point of view of Putin so unloved by them, but from the point of view of geopolitics THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ANY STATE IS DETERMINED INCLUDING THE TOTAL TERRITORY AND THE AMOUNT OF THE POPULATION. I repeat once again - Sovereignty !!! And if we do not want to turn into Luxembourg, or Liechtenstein, then we should not give a shred from the territory conquered for centuries by our ancestors.
  31. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 24 December 2013 09: 37
    +4
    Quote: dejavu
    . Absolutely on time adopted law.

    And then (+), that's just not clear why from 9.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX, and not earlier, and the timing is "funny". You can, after all, bring closer to:
    275 Article. Treason

    High treason, that is, espionage, the issuance of state secrets or other assistance to a foreign state, a foreign organization or their representatives in carrying out hostile activities to the detriment of the external security of the Russian Federation, committed by a citizen of the Russian Federation, -
    the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of from twelve to twenty years with a fine in the amount of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years or without it.
    (in the edition of the Federal Law from 08.12.2003 N 162-FZ)
    Note. A person who has committed the crimes provided for in this article, as well as articles 276 and 278 of this Code, is exempted from criminal liability if it voluntarily and promptly communicated to the authorities or otherwise helped to prevent further damage to the interests of the Russian Federation and if its actions did not contain any other composition crime.
  32. individual
    individual 24 December 2013 09: 45
    +2
    "How much will they give now for" Separate the Caucasus - Russia will heal "or" The Russian Arctic - under international jurisdiction "?

    ANSWER:
    Will give more than the west spit on grants.
  33. Forest
    Forest 24 December 2013 09: 48
    +3
    The future of Russia is not in the decree, but in the union of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. Therefore, we need to think not about the separation of the Caucasus, but the future unification. This should become the main state task.
  34. Begemot
    Begemot 24 December 2013 09: 49
    +5
    It’s a rare case when the result of the activity of our deputies does not cause me irritation and heartburn, but only regret, which in my opinion is not liberal, it is gently planned to deal with traitors. For me, everyone who wants to separate part of Russia for someone’s benefit should be offered to separate everything they have from property in favor of the state and allocate a piece of Russian land of the size 1x2 and depth 1,8 meters, let them choke.
  35. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 24 December 2013 09: 51
    +4
    The law you need! Not an inch to anyone! We have no right! For our grandfathers did not perish for every patch of Russian land!
  36. veteran56
    veteran56 24 December 2013 09: 51
    +5
    It's high time to attract for verbiage! On the radio "Echo of Moscow" every shantrap has dug in, which by freedom of speech understands the distorted perception of reality inherent in pseudo-intellectuals.
    The ideas of separatism are unacceptable for today's Russia. A reverse process must be launched - the return of the seized, originally Russian, lands for which our ancestors shed their blood. Russia is one and indivisible! Power should be tough in relation to the slightest manifestations of separatism in all its manifestations.
  37. tank64rus
    tank64rus 24 December 2013 09: 51
    +3
    It is high time to put a damn about the West.
  38. Turkestan
    Turkestan 24 December 2013 09: 52
    +6
    EC about twenty years ago, such a law of glances and the Union would be synchronized
  39. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 December 2013 10: 00
    +6
    О
    Legych RU
    And note that this law initiated exactly the GDP, which is so abused on this website, which is sliding into a frenzied liberalism.

    You probably only read the title, because:
    ...the author of the criminal sanctions bill against persons claiming the need to separate a territory from the Russian Federation, State Duma deputies from the Communist Party faction.

    I believe that the Law is very correct! It is high time! And then we have "freedom of speech" LibeRastov, will bring the country to ANARCHY, and then to complete collapse!
  40. erased
    erased 24 December 2013 10: 08
    +6
    The idea is true, but as always done haphazardly.
    “Stop feeding the Caucasus!” - This is not a call to secession of the Caucasus, but a call to stop the uncontrolled release of public money to support the enemies of Russia. So that later Kadyrov does not say that Allah gives him money.
    The punishment for a joke like: "Freedom for parrots" or "Prostokvashino - Matroskin's free zone!" Will look even more stupid.
    It seems that they specially brought to the point of absurdity. Indeed, make a fool pray to the gods or enemies write laws ...
  41. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 24 December 2013 10: 50
    +9
    Alexander P. Podrabinek - that scum. I will never forget his letters to Soviet veterans ... God, of course, is a judge to him, but a bullet or a loop would have done a worse job for God.
  42. morpogr
    morpogr 24 December 2013 10: 53
    +3
    To imprison and judge such traitors publicly and deprive of Russian citizenship, if they do not like the country let them go to another place but after serving time.
  43. godun
    godun 24 December 2013 10: 55
    0
    The law is directed against calls for the division of the Russian Federation, and DAM and GDP do not call for a division, they quietly distribute ...
    And no one is going to separate the Caucasus, and the Caucasians will not want to leave the gratuitous trough.
  44. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 24 December 2013 10: 59
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Pinkhosovich Podrabinek: A hysteria in the State Duma about separatism is another link in the chain that a frantic printer throws over the remnants of freedom in Russia

    By nightingale "freedom" Pinkhosovich understands to carry any nonsense. Speaking about the charms of an independent life, Mr. Podrabinek bashfully silent about the fate of such small independent states. And the examples of fragmented Yugoslavia, Libya, and others eloquently speak for themselves. Yes, the enemies of Russia dream of fragmenting Russia. And all sorts of Pinhosovichi contribute to this. Here for this and prepare a new bill.
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  46. denkastro
    denkastro 24 December 2013 11: 07
    +1
    The criminals have such a concept "Back door under the red flag", reading comments on the site lately involuntarily (for me personally) begs a comparison with him. Revolutionaries x-s.
  47. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 24 December 2013 11: 10
    +1
    A very necessary law, and it had to be adopted earlier! Otherwise, the movements began only after the result of the people's age-old "squandering"!
    It turned out to be insulting with Alaska, and although many say that the territory was too remote, they would have taken it away in the 20s! They didn’t crush nonsense, they not only remained united, but expanded by the Union republics, but alas not for long ..
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  49. Mviktor
    Mviktor 24 December 2013 11: 32
    +2
    Quote: dejavu
    Cut and give an inch of the Russian land, create a precedent. Not a shred, we will not give it to anyone! soldier stop
    And all these boobies broadcasting for separation are locked up. Absolutely on time adopted law.


    Why feed them under lock and key is not democratic like that. it is better to take the democratic experience of the USA and Europe
    to deprive of citizenship and to send for the cordon those who so advocate for the collapse of Russia, all these militants fighting in the Caucasus and Syria, all these rabid pussy. Let them abroad who feeds the decomposition of Russia. I think those wishing to sharply decrease
  50. cariron
    cariron 24 December 2013 11: 42
    -1
    Quote: erased
    The idea is true, but as always done haphazardly.
    “Stop feeding the Caucasus!” - This is not a call to secession of the Caucasus, but a call to stop the uncontrolled release of public money to support the enemies of Russia. So that later Kadyrov does not say that Allah gives him money.
    The punishment for a joke like: "Freedom for parrots" or "Prostokvashino - Matroskin's free zone!" Will look even more stupid.
    It seems that they specially brought to the point of absurdity. Indeed, make a fool pray to the gods or enemies write laws ...

    I agree, this is a call to our government (corrupt and hypocritical) that is pumping budget funds into their personal pockets through "national projects", "support for problem regions", etc. The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation already has responsibility for such actions.
    And the proposal to introduce criminal liability for calls for the division of Russia is yet another PR move of the GDP, which aims to show - I am for Russia, for its integrity, while diverting our eyes from the real problems of our state - corruption, the decline of education, medicine, and the lack of Russian ideology. ..