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Krasnoarmeysk will dispose of rocket engines

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Krasnoarmeysk will dispose of rocket enginesAlexander Vagin, director of the state-owned enterprise “Scientific Research Institute“ Geodesy ”(Krasnoarmeysk), spoke about the creation of a center for testing and disposing of large-sized solid-fuel rocket engines for various purposes at their site. Among them, he pointed out missiles such as "Tochka-U", "Iskander" and "Topol".


He informed the participants of the joint meeting of the Expert Council under the State Duma Committee on the Development of the Military-Industrial Complex and the Committee on the Defense Industry of the Russian Engineering Union. The meeting was also attended by representatives of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, the Association for Assistance to Defense Enterprises, the Ecosphere LLC, heads of enterprises and interested structures, and the media.

The 103 object is a structure of several large-scale buildings and devices. According to the director of the institute, the facility is a test stand for fire tests (burnings) of solid propellant rocket engines, which are used as the first stages of rockets. He noted that when testing engines and their utilization, the same technology is used, in fact.

The facility will have a high degree of environmental safety. To protect against the consequences of a possible explosion of the engine, the thickness of the reinforced concrete walls of the main building is 2 m. To neutralize the products of combustion of solid fuel, 460 tons of water are used, which is purified and used in a closed technological cycle. It reduces the exhaust gas temperature from 3000 to hail. to 90 degrees Celsius, as well as recycling about 20,5 t of harmful substances and gases when testing a single engine.

The object belongs to Roscosmos and in 2014 it is planned to equip it with an automated control system and begin practical operation. As Vagin explained, a day at this facility can be tested (recycled) to 2 solid propellant engines for Topol type missiles.

The Director of the Research Institute "Geodesy" demonstrated to the media representatives the objects for the disposal of ammunition of caliber 76-152 mm by the method of hydro-cavitation leaching of explosives from projectiles. According to him, an inert composition is used for this, and the process of utilization is fully automated and takes place in a safe for the environment, including from an explosion, building. “It uses fully domestic equipment,” said Vagin.

He noted that at full voltage the institute is capable of utilizing up to 200 thousands of tons of ammunition in this way. However, the main activity of scientific research institutes is the development of safe technologies, and not their practical implementation. According to Vagin, the cost of disposing of one large-caliber ammunition is about 2,5 thousand rubles, despite the fact that the production of new - 17-22 thousand rubles.

At an open ammunition disposal site, the method of detonation was demonstrated to those present who exploded an ammunition weighing about 140 kg of explosive equivalent to 300 kg of TNT. This method is forced and is used in cases where the munition cannot be disposed of in another way, or it cannot be moved.

In conclusion, Vagin spoke about the activities of the FKP "Research Institute" Geodesy ", which is a test ammunition range of the military-industrial complex of Russia. Since April, 2012, the company has the status of a basic training and methodological test site for the special forces of the Collective Rapid Reaction Forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

FKP "Research Institute" Geodesy "provides a full range of tests artillery armament and ammunition of all calibers and assignment for the Air Force and CB, as well as solid propellant rocket engines at all stages of the life cycle from development, serial production, extension of service life to disposal. In addition, the company is actively conducting research and development work. FKP "Research Institute" Geodesy "is one of the largest operating ranges of the industry of conventional weapons, ammunition and special chemistry.
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  1. Airman
    Airman 23 December 2013 11: 14
    +2
    What a news. We didn’t have time to put into service, and already the utilization of Iskander and Topol’s engines is ready. Is it not more profitable to launch satellites into low orbits with expiring storage periods? Iskander and Poplar have already passed the test.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 23 December 2013 11: 26
      +3
      Quote: Povshnik
      Is it not more profitable to launch satellites into low orbits with expiring storage periods?

      Do you have expired products? The same applies to missiles, after the expiration of the storage period it becomes unsafe to use it.
      1. Airman
        Airman 23 December 2013 11: 51
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        Quote: Nayhas
        Quote: Povshnik
        Is it not more profitable to launch satellites into low orbits with expiring storage periods?

        Do you have expired products? The same applies to missiles, after the expiration of the storage period it becomes unsafe to use it.

        Have you learned to read? I wrote with expiring deadlines. This is what the air defense forces do, missiles with expiring dates are sent to the training ground for combat launches at targets, and new ones are put into storage.
      2. AVV
        AVV 23 December 2013 13: 11
        +1
        They use Satan, and not just cut, you need to wisely and prudently use the public heritage !!!
        1. postman
          postman 23 December 2013 15: 20
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          Quote: AVV
          Satan is used, but n

          1. Cost (LV, ICBM) is different (it is more expensive)
          2. The output PN is an order of magnitude greater
          3. U Topol-M specific flight profile
          4. There is no infrastructure for spacecraft launches from on the rocket with solid propellant rocket
          5. RDTT combustion products are significantly more toxic
          and the most important thing
          6.Problem of adjustment of solid propellant rocket motor by traction / impulse .....
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 23 December 2013 19: 55
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          Quote: AVV
          They use Satan, and not just cut, you need to wisely and prudently use the public heritage !!!

          The most interesting thing that is written so casually in the article is the method of destruction by burning. Hence the amount of exhaust gas, etc. etc.
      3. Siberian German
        Siberian German 23 December 2013 17: 35
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        this is understandable - but I looked at the products that were left for a month or weeks and use them - what prevents it from doing this with missiles - is it not fatty to just destroy them
    2. postman
      postman 23 December 2013 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Povshnik
      launch satellites into low orbits?

      1. The Topol-M flight profile is specific, with its low, flat trajectory:
      the monoblock is separated at an altitude of 150-200 km with an initial pitch of 5 degrees, eventually flying 8 km in 800 minutes and reaching its peak of 21 km
      + small thrown PN
      === hardly possible to reach a stable but
      2. civilian infrastructure for launching space launch vehicles does not provide for the use of solid propellant rocket engines .... well, not with mobile launchers what
      3. RDTT is VERY PROBLEMATICALLY (although possible) to regulate by traction / momentum, cut-off, etc. .... not liquid because you can’t cut the feed
      ==============================================
      and disposal is important, as in solid propellant rocket propellants, Tk is not toxic, (unlike LRE), but combustion products(SUCH MISSING)... the opposite
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 23 December 2013 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Postman
        1. The Topol-M flight profile is specific, with its low, flat trajectory:

        So after all, the talk is about using simply Topol without M as a carrier for satellite output. Poplar-M must still be in service for a long time. And is it really impossible to program Topol-M to fly along a high path, how does Topol fly?
        Quote: Postman
        the monoblock is separated at an altitude of 150-200 km with an initial pitch of 5 degrees, eventually flying 8 km

        The remaining more than 2000 km Topol-M overcomes at AUT in 3 minutes?
        Quote: Postman
        Well, not with mobile PU

        And what, already such launches were:

        In general, there may be several options for using discharged Topol fields. In addition to launching satellites, for example, use as a target for testing missile defense systems. Or as a medium for practicing new combat equipment.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 23 December 2013 22: 02
          +2
          Quote: Onyx
          we are talking about using just Topol without M as a carrier for satellite output


          On the basis of the Topol ICBM, the Start conversion space launch vehicle has been developed, which are launched from the Plesetsk and Svobodny cosmodromes.
          "Start" - a solid propellant space launch vehicle designed on the basis of the 15Zh58 intercontinental ballistic missile of the Topol mobile soil rocket complex at the SIT Complex-MIT.
          Designed to launch small-sized spacecraft into low Earth orbits, including commercial orders.
          There are two modifications of launch vehicles of the "Start" type:
          Start - five-speed, and the second stage of the rocket similar to the second stage 15ZH58 is built in twice. The payload for low orbits (400 km) is approximately 570 kg for the launch rocket. The maximum diameter of both types of missiles is 1,8 meters. The height of the rocket is 28,8 m, weight - 60 tons.
          Start-1 - four-speed. The payload for low orbits (400 km) is approximately 500 kg. Height - 22,7 m, weight - 47 tons.
          Missiles are launched from the 1 GIC and the Svobodny spaceport from mobile launch complexes. The only unsuccessful launch of the Start rocket was in 1995, the first launch of the Start-1 rocket took place in 1993.
          A characteristic feature of this particular rocket is that the logic of automation provides for the possibility of not only thrust vector control of solid-fuel engines of all four stages, but also traction shortage compensation or the operating time of the steps by changing the duration of the ballistic pauses in the intervals between the operating time of the engines of the 1st and 2nd. 3rd and 4th, as well as 4th stage and lapping unit.
          1. postman
            postman 24 December 2013 02: 18
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            Quote: Ascetic
            Conversion space launch vehicle "Start" was developed on the basis of ICBM "Topol"

            epresete.
            ON THE BASE!!! (as well as used technologies 'Pioneer' (15Zh53, RSD-10, SS-20)) The cost of such a launch for foreign customers ranges from $ 6 to $ 8.5 million.
            But this is not a "conversion" rocket.
            "WRITTEN" WAS ONLY Start 1.2 (start March 4, 1997).
            The rest is brand new LV, straight from the conveyor ...
            The rocket was manufactured at the Votkinsk plant, Votkinsk, Republic of Udmurtia. More than a hundred enterprises are involved in the production and manufacture of the Start series launch vehicle. The largest co-executors are: NPO AP, Moscow; FTSDT "Soyuz", Lyubertsy: TsNIIAG, Moscow, TsKB "Titan", Volgograd, TsNIISM, Ghotkovo; GOKB "Prozhektor", Moscow, etc.

            But is it necessary?

            including bye this FAIRY TALES
            Quote: Ascetic
            Missiles are launched from the 1st GIC and the Svobodny spaceport from mobile launch complexes.

            Let's have a little brainwash .... is it necessary for commercial launches:
            1) mortar launch and kick under the ass of the launch vehicle, throwing it at 30 m
            Quote: Ascetic
            A characteristic feature of this particular rocket is that

            2) its "characteristic" feature (except for the mortar launch) is this:
            -Accuracy of height derivation at the peak +/- 5 000m (AND THIS IS ONLY WITH A LODGING STAGE))

            without use of a finishing stage
            - Accuracy of height derivation at the apogee of 60-140 km
            Cool?
        2. postman
          postman 24 December 2013 02: 07
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          Quote: Onyx
          So after all, the talk is about using simply Topol without M as a carrier for satellite output

          but what are they BETTER?
          he has an abandoned weight even less(200kg in my opinion)and the trajectory is the same, and this is not due to the "maneuver" of evasion (nonsense) ...
          This is a specificity (flight time). I have to deal, give a calculation
          IN GENERAL, the POPL energy is "sluggish" - just start (video) watch (your video)
          Quote: Onyx
          The remaining more than 2000 km Topol-M overcomes at AUT in 3 minutes?

          I did not understand anything .... On the same "out", the Voivode moves away 1500 (if I am not mistaken) km from the surface. So what?
          Quote: Onyx
          And what, already such launches were:


          Well this is not a satellite / satellite launched ...
          1. Onyx
            Onyx 24 December 2013 02: 51
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            Quote: Postman
            Understood nothing....

            Well, you wrote that after the separation, the candy bar flies 8800 km. Or is it not after separation, but as a whole since the start of a rocket launch?
            Quote: Postman
            Well this is not a satellite / satellite launched ...

            And what is launched on the video?
            1. postman
              postman 24 December 2013 13: 02
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              Quote: Onyx
              Or is it not after separation,

              As far as I understand (according to the declared range) - AFTER separation.
              Ну и что?
              the stone, after it "separated" from the hand that threw it (the action of the human musculature stopped), the same flies 30-60 meters.
              What are the contradictions? Ek, momentum of the body ... lack of aerodynamic drag (practically), slightly smaller (height) g, pitch angle ...
              Quote: Onyx
              And what is launched on the video?

              I think it’s night fighting combat ...

              WHAT IS THE SENSE of launching a spacecraft overnight (with such a complex SC) ???
              What window is free? sad
  2. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 23 December 2013 11: 47
    0
    It may be more expensive to go out, then pay for an undetected satellite.
  3. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 23 December 2013 11: 51
    0
    And you didn’t see the main thing)
    Object 103 is a construction of several large-scale buildings and devices. According to the director of the institute, the facility is a stand for fire tests (burning) of solid rocket enginesthat are used as the first stages of missiles.

    We pass to bench tests - these are good)
    1. Airman
      Airman 23 December 2013 12: 08
      +1
      Quote: ShadowCat

      We pass to bench tests - these are good)


      Bench tests are needed to extend the life of missiles of one batch.
  4. Arh
    Arh 23 December 2013 11: 55
    0
    Probably worked out your resource! ) wink
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 23 December 2013 12: 19
      +2
      quote-In conclusion, Vagin spoke about the activities of the Federal State-Funded Research Institute “Geodesy”, which is a test munition landfill military-industrial complex of Russia.

      Here is the landfill itself.
  5. Megatonna
    Megatonna 23 December 2013 12: 38
    -3
    Better to sell to other countries that do not have these technologies. smile
  6. kelevra
    kelevra 23 December 2013 13: 08
    0
    The necessary object! This is better than storing missiles somewhere. And then, so that these warehouses suddenly "accidentally" ignite and someone perishes. Plus, jobs and industry do not stand still.
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  8. hitech
    hitech 23 December 2013 14: 26
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    Quote: Povshnik
    What a news. We didn’t have time to put into service, and already the utilization of Iskander and Topol’s engines is ready. Is it not more profitable to launch satellites into low orbits with expiring storage periods? Iskander and Poplar have already passed the test.

    How many army warehouses have recently been blown up, it would be time to freshen up the ammunition, because there will be not only "Poplar cut" there. Or do you think it's safer to undermine them? And how many accidents with the transportation of expired b / p were there?
    1. alex86
      alex86 23 December 2013 18: 35
      0
      I don’t understand why recycling by burning - in Kazan, at the 40th plant (powder), nitropowder has been processed into nitro paints and linoleum (crappy, really) for a very long time. What is the problem with recycling? - it is clear that a stand is easier to build than a plant with technology, but the solution is different (in the sense that something useful will turn out), and nature will suffer less.
      And there is still a fantastic (although why, actually?) Option - an underground Tsiferov rocket for drilling wells and mines - the nozzles will have to be redone and there will be larger diameters, but for bridge supports it is normal.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 24 December 2013 19: 17
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        Quote: alex86
        I don’t understand why recycling by burning - in Kazan at the 40th plant (powder) nitropowder has been processed into nitro-paints and linoleum (crappy, really) for a very long time.

        The problem is that this shitty linoleum from recycled nitropowders is priced like gold, but you can’t sell it for a penny - it’s easier to burn from here!
        1. alex86
          alex86 25 December 2013 20: 03
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          He had a price, if in fairness, a penny, but the quality is such that the price did not matter anymore - they took it only on those objects where only the fact of the presence of linoleum was important. Nitro-paint was normal - well, Soviet-like normal (taken at the time, offset), as now - honestly, I don’t know, I don’t take it for a long time. But still - is it really impossible to recycle? I will not believe! The price, of course, matters, but if you add environmental damage ...
  9. Megatonna
    Megatonna 23 December 2013 14: 45
    -2
    They hesitated to put dislikes on me, so they will delete me soon wassat
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  10. alone
    alone 23 December 2013 22: 05
    0
    The recycling process itself is very expensive. By the way, there are production lines behind the hill that allow you to reuse pieces of ammunition in production.
  11. voliador
    voliador 24 December 2013 00: 17
    0
    So test or dispose of?
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 24 December 2013 00: 49
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      cannot be disposed of