Red amber rag and khaki love

19 декабря 2013 года "Russian newspaper" published resolution No. 3500-6 of the State Duma State Duma "On declaring an amnesty in connection with the 20 anniversary of the adoption of the Constitution of the Russian Federation" (the decision itself was adopted by parliamentarians on December 18).

According to the aforementioned decree, the amnesty applies to the majority of juvenile offenders, disabled people of groups I and II, women with dependent children, pregnant women, men and women of retirement age. In addition, military personnel and law enforcement officers and the PWS system who participated in the defense of the Fatherland (including hostilities), as well as the liquidators of the Chernobyl NPP accident, fall under the amnesty.

A special emphasis is placed on the fact that the amnesty applies to persons convicted and suspected (accused) under the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: No. XXUMX “Mass riots”, No. XXUMX “Hooliganism”, No. XXUMX “Violation of traffic rules and operation of vehicles”.
Separate 10 section in the resolution №3500-6 DG highlighted the articles of the Criminal Code and the points convicted or accused persons for whom will not be amnestied in the event of non-compliance with the above points by age, status, health status:

105, 111, part of the second article of 117, part of the third article of 122, article of 126, part of the third article of 127, part of the second article of 128, articles of 131, 132, part of the second article of 133, articles of 134, 135, 146, 147 , h. third and fourth article 150, h. third and fourth article 158, h. third and fourth article 159, h. third and fourth article 160, h. second and third article 161, article 162, h. second and third article 163, article 164, part three and four of the article 166, articles 169, XNUMP, 170, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 205, 206, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 215, 221, 222, 223, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 234, 240, 241, 264, 275, 276. , 277, 278, 279, 281, 282, 286, 290, 291, 295, 296, 299, 300, 301, 305 , 306, 309, 313, h. The first article 317, h. The third article 318, articles 321, 322, h. The first, second and third article 329, articles 333, 335, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358 , 359, 360, h. The second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth article XNUMX, articles XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, h. The third article XNUMX, articles XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX , XNUMX, part two of the second and third article XNUMX, part two of the second article XNUMX, part three of the article XNUMX, part four of the article XNUMX, articles XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX.

The question that worried the public before the release of the announced resolution of the State Duma and which continues to be, so to say, on the agenda: whether this amnesty concerns our old acquaintances. This, of course, is about the ex-minister of defense of Anatolia Serdyukov and his scandalous “battalion”, one of the most prominent representatives of which is Mrs. Vasilyeva, who once headed the Department of Property Relations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It is worth noting that in respect of this lady extended house arrest, and in addition, she was forbidden to communicate with the press and other persons on the subject of a criminal case. In general, you want to talk to Vasilyeva, for example, about love - please, but about criminality - no gugu! By the way, about love ... Evgeny Vasilyev is quoted by the RSN:

Everyone probably knows that I have a personal relationship with a former defense minister. They arose after I left the ministry. When they came to me with a search, I had not worked there for half a year.

As they say, love inadvertently descended ... I still thought a little bit - and just Monica Lewinsky ...

Before discussing this topic, it is necessary to recall that Anatoly Serdyukov is being accused of negligence today, according to the investigation allowed by Serdyukov on the construction of the road to the Zhitnoye recreation center and landscaping of the base itself. The first clause has been selected for Anatoly Serdyukov's clause of the article 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Evgenia Vasilyeva is accused of the following articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: No. 159 (part 3) “Fraud on a large scale”, No. 174 (“Legalization of funds or other property acquired by other persons by criminal means”), No. XXUMX (“Abuse of power” ), №285 ("Excess of office").

Comparing the numbers and paragraphs of the articles for which these characters are accused, with the numbers of articles for which convicted and accused are awaited by the amnesty, the following picture is obtained: Anatoly Serdyukov can directly fall under the amnesty while Evgenia Nikolaevna Vasilyeva with her “ladies’ set ”can be“ under amnesty ”only if she a) is either pregnant, b) or an invalid of I and II groups, c) or Eugenia Vasilyeva has a“ liquidator crust ”( at the time of likv dations she was 7 years) - as an alternative ...

It should be noted that immediately after the adoption of the decision on amnesty, representatives of the Duma Committee on Criminal Legislation made statements and stated that the ex-Minister of Defense would not apply the amnesty. Only here said a few in a strange way. The words of the representative of the committee Pavel Krasheninnikov passes Interfax:

Probably, in the company of Serdyukov there may be pregnant women and women with minor children, but, probably, this citizen himself is not affected.

If the first “probably” can be associated with deputy irony or the usual ignorance about pregnant women and other women surrounded by the ex-minister, then the second “probably” in this case is completely incomprehensible. It turns out that the legislators adopted an amnesty decree, but they themselves do not know who it is for it that can amnesty, and therefore build some strange conjectures. I wonder who, then, will ultimately make a concrete decision on the “fate” of the ex-minister, even if the deputies who worked on the final draft of the amnesty do not go beyond the term “probably” ...

Meanwhile, one of Anatoly Serdyukov’s lawyers, Heinrich Padva, states that his client may well use his chance of being amnestied. At the same time, Padva notes that the final decision will be made by Serdyukov, placing particular emphasis on the non-rehabilitative nature of the amnesty. They say that amnesty is not an excuse, but Anatoly Eduardovich is firmly determined to completely “wash out” his uniform smeared with “untenable” accusations. Another lawyer of Serdyukov, Konstantin Rivkin, says that his client has affairs and is more important than some kind of amnesty - both of them are busy studying the 56 volumes of the criminal case.

But, arguing about the amnesty for the former officials of the Ministry of Defense, we, in fact, are gradually slipping to another level. If yesterday, the day before yesterday, the reasoning went in the plane of “blaming - not blaming”, “planting - not planting” and “where did the money go”, then today there is already a temptation to turn to the topic “legally forgive - legally forgive”. The project of this amnesty, elegantly “taking” each of us under the arm, leads to the “necessity” of discussing a completely different question than the question that most people were initially concerned about. The situation turns into the following: gentlemen and comrades, here’s an amnesty project, discuss it, but do not go into questions like “where is money, Zin” - pressure, good, will rise or indigestion will manifest itself ...

That is, the public, which did not give a damn about what funds were flown out of the defense budget during one of the stages of reforming the Russian army, receives a new dominant - the dominant in the form of an amnesty - to communicate with each other and digest all related issues. A sort of new red rag, which is now waving so much that everybody pay attention to it willy-nilly. And yet fewer people ask questions: friends! What are you talking about? What amnesty? Carry out the investigation to the end, do not wash some criminal episodes, put the embezzlers in the dock!

Let's not forget that the amnesty itself, in addition, also blurs the boundaries between crimes of various directions and scope, as it blurs the boundaries and between the persons who committed them. It turns out that if the amnesty comes to the same Vasilyev, then it will be the former head of the defense property department somewhere between the “singers" from Pussy Rayot and the Greenpeace activists. They say nothing serious is so ... toys ... never mind ... From the point of view of psychology, the course is, of course, amazing!

Comments

[saag]

And what is point a) for Evgenia Nikolaevna problematic to organize?

[SolomonSS]

In my opinion, all the hype surrounding the case of Serdyukov and his assistants is just a show, to once again remind people that power is power and it will not answer to anyone, not even the law.
Justice is a corrupt structure in which the one who holds large posts, friends in large posts, and a lot of money is right. Moreover, Serdyukov has great friends Dimka and Vovka, who will not give offense.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: SolomonSS

In my opinion, all the hype surrounding the case of Serdyukov and his assistants is just a show, to once again remind people that power is power and it will not answer to anyone, not even the law.

And what is the point of power to lower itself? If the point was, then there would be no criminal cases at all, and Serdyukov and Vasilva would live together and “work” as before in the Moscow region.

[evgenm55]

The logic is that even they could not ignore that negative and direct reproaches in the collapse and theft of this codes ...

[SolomonSS]

The logic is that, in the offices of power, there is a struggle for this or that position held, for power. Only now it is not fashionable to use the methods of the 90s and Stalin, they will not understand. Moreover, the person "honored", for many people has earned money, and not 1 million, in dollars. It must be removed, but people must also be shown that "we are fighting corruption," and so on. So a performance called "the defense service case" began, and as a result they will say that "oh, alas," they will not prove anything, they will release or receive suspended sentences (for minor offenses), they will tell us that the perpetrators have been punished. But power is power, and there is a whole forest of such "SERDYUKOVS" in the regions, and they are definitely not going to answer before the law. And let the people at least shout, they will arrange the marsh 10 times, nothing will change.

[VAF]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And what is the use of power to lower oneself?

Sanya, hi! I am on a slightly different aspect of the question.

With all my deepest respect, Alexei Volodin here he is not right, quote-Separate 10 section in the resolution №3500-6 DG highlighted the articles of the Criminal Code and the points convicted or accused persons for whom will not be amnestied in the event of non-compliance with the above points by age, status, health status:

If that were the case, 300-400 thousand would be freed .. no less. I won’t be able to voice the real numbers of the convicts or how to say it right ... sitting ... but there are such numbers. what
And the figures come from the lips of "far from an extreme person from the FSIN", and you yourself can count how many zones we have and how much the officialdom gives for convicts.
And so, he says correctly Baltika-18- will be released alone..gopstopniki! And besides the "smut" and not only for the police, but also for us, because. if someone does not know, then in the police departments, which are just dealing with these "lads" .. wild reductions and layoffs.
so people ... "stock up on what you can" But best of all ... normal DOG !!!

[Volodin]

Good afternoon, Sergey! So in paragraph 10 it says that, according to these articles

will not be amnestied

.

[VAF]

Greetings again, Alex!

So the fact of the matter is that they won’t !!!

Quote: Volodin

in case of non-fulfillment of the above items by age, status, state of health:

It’s just that it’s not very correctly formulated or filed, but it’s necessary to capture and read this way, regardless of whether the indicated persons are included in the above paragraphs or not, no difference. Clause 10 clearly spells out articles on which
no one will be released, at least children. even women in any position !!!
Always when such texts are published, Amnesty must discard everything, and read the List of Articles!
Got your article. Ok, no ... "come on, ... goodbye!"
At least knowledgeable people explained it to me that way!

Now, if Zhirinovsky's project had been adopted, then yes ... 200 thousand would have worked out, and so .... "another hat" from those in power !!!

[stroporez]

and the "power" did not try to "lower" itself ...... apparently the moment came when, regardless of whether there was a case or not, the "pranks" of Anatol really s ........... and and army and society. from the authorities and "clinging" to the "condemnation of such actions." and now it’s time to pull out the korefan, until the “language” dismissed. so sho all these movements in the “Serdyukov” case are nothing more than an attempt by the authorities to designate themselves on the side of the “guys in white hats” ......

[Sterlya]

Walker freed

[Karlsonn]

I sat at home and, as usual, did not know what to do with myself. I wanted something: either the constitution, or the stellar sturgeon with horseradish, or to take and to rip someone off. To get a good jackpot - and to the side. And then, "looking at the time", either bite stew with horseradish, or dream about the constitution ...

Saltykov-Shchedrin.

[fartfraer]

what a strange thing, to ruin an army for several years is negligence, indeed we have a very humane court (investigation, etc.)
but it’s interesting what responsibility will be incurred by (I apologize to those) who appointed this negligent to this position

[yuri p]

"but I wonder what responsibility will be borne by the one (I apologize, those) who appointed this negligent to this position" .... order for services to the fatherland, if this thief is acquitted (Serdyukov), then according to the logic of our rulers, the authorities (Serdyukov) should be awarded , which is quite possible, proceeding from the fact that our rulers have enough CYNISM.

[Goldmitro]

<<< yurii p
"but I wonder what responsibility will be borne by the one (I apologize to those) who appointed this negligent to this position" .. >>>
It seems that events were going like this: Putin appointed Serdyukov to the post of defense minister, and, of course, bears his share of responsibility for this, but he also removed him as soon as he became president again! And, obviously, the decision to remove Serdyukov matured when he was prime minister, but could not be implemented, since it was not in his competence, but in the competence of Medvedev, to the period of whose rule the main achievements of the optimizer belong - "effective manager ", as Medvedev called him after the promulgation of the achievements of" Serdyukovism ", and it is Medvedev who should bear the bulk of the responsibility for the" Serdyukovism "! It is worth noting that during the reign of Medvedev, "Serdyukovism" manifested itself not only in the Moscow region and, it seems, he and his entourage were quite satisfied! And the fact that the "Serdyukovshchina" process has turned into a criminal Santa Barbara only confirms the above-stated that the "effective manager" still has a very solid roof and among the sponsors, probably, the LADY himself, and the president, with his preferred politics - "let's live together" as you can see, the determination and strength is not enough!

[stroporez]

if you punish Serdyukov ------- it would be quite logical to ask what to ask with Vova with Dimon ... they will never allow this, it doesn’t matter which of them is on the throne. Anyone is arrested, but not ... .... but how is it ---- today to ask from Serdyukov, tomorrow from Dimon, and the day after tomorrow?

[stroporez]

CINISM --- this is the real name of our government ....... although, what is it to our demon .............

[Ptah]

Quote: fartfraer

what responsibility will be borne by that (I apologize to those) who appointed this negligent to this position

He had already "condemned" himself, made a decision himself, and himself went to the place of serving his "punishment". And on the very "Chushpani shkonka" ...
Slave to the gallery ..... Now rowing (tongue) and not going to dump. And the "galley chiefs" seem to scold him, but in fact they are satisfied with the course .......

[cumastra1]

Our judicial system is an ax monkey. And there is no blindfold at all - he will think a hundred times "is it worth it to chop with an ax?" - not a hand feeding the ruble? And the fact that lawyers have no honor or conscience is a separate topic in the jokes.

[cumastra1]

Our judicial system is an ax monkey. And there is no blindfold at all - he will think a hundred times "is it worth it to chop with an ax?" - not a hand feeding the ruble? And the fact that lawyers have no honor or conscience is a separate topic in the jokes.

[ZU-23]

There is no longer even a desire to think, guess and compare facts on this subject. I am waiting for the result and the point, the rest is a waste of time.

[Apollo]

Good morning everybody

quote-19 December 2013 Rossiyskaya Gazeta published Resolution No. 3500-6 of the State Duma of the State Duma "On the declaration of amnesty in connection with the 20th anniversary of the adoption of the Constitution of the Russian Federation" (the resolution itself was adopted by parliamentarians on December 18).



quote- It is worth noting that in relation to this mistress, house arrest was extended, and in addition, she was forbidden to communicate with the press and other persons on the subject of a criminal case.

In general, if you want to talk with Vasilyeva, for example, about love - please, but not about gugo! Speaking of love ... RSN quotes Yevgeny Vasilyev:

Everyone probably knows that I have a personal relationship with a former defense minister. They arose after I left the ministry. When they came to me with a search, I had not worked there for half a year.



Presses on a tear

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[yuri p]

"poor thing" is not allowed to communicate with the press and SOUND their "highly artistic works", only hard labor or a long term is not enough for these "works" and the author to become famous, which I WISH, long imprisonment in places is not so ...

[ZU-23]

Mutually Good , in short, Santa Barbara is also being shaken with this Vasilyeva, by the way, in many forums they really already support her, because for many thieves in our country she is positioned cooler than pussies

[Ascetic]

Quote: Apollon

Presses on a tear

As Stanislavsky would say -Do not believe it! The actress from her is useless, however, the same as the poetess. As they say, you love love of evil and a goat, especially a high-sitting one. In general, you need to feel compassion. Vasilyev canonize in saints and establish in memory of the pure love of the scammers and thieves for the Negligent Saint Treasury Day. A.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

a little bit and Zhenka is a litmus test of the decency of the current government and the system, tired of looking at cynical attempts to divert both of them from responsibility! Why did they start "cases" at all? why is there an investigation? release the "innocent" and that's it, maybe they themselves will fall under the car ... or an icicle will fly into the head ...

[Ptah]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

a bit and eugene is a litmus test of decency of the current government and system

Such "pieces of paper" are enough for the daily output of a pulp and paper mill.
And then ....
Ministers - steal. Investigators and prosecutors should expose them, but also they steal. Cops should catch everyone those also steal.
Logically, the already-identified gop company should sit on the bunk under the supervision of the guard. Haaaa .....
They also steal.....

[evgenm55]

Interestingly ... You can in more detail, did not know ...

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: evgenm55

Interestingly ... You can in more detail, did not know ...

Go to compromising.ru, type his name ...
And there is also a LOT of things that concern "law enforcement officers" ... And the damages are estimated in billions. As well as from Serdyukov. Only Serdyukov is like a red rag, behind which you cannot see ARMY, like him, from different departments.
Their name is LEGION.

[Ptah]

Just type in the search for a sacramental phrase "...... stole". Set the surname yourself.
In the meantime, some (the top of the list of links that appear)
www.moscow-post.com/economics/fsin_v_saxare_ili_kak_ukrali_100_millionov12437/

www.polit.ru/news/2012/12/14/rationprison/

ura.ru/content/svrd/03-04-2013/news/1052155830.html

And here is a logical result, with the accuracy of the Serdyuk and the secretive. Apparently the "suspect" managed to "get on the track" to Tel Aviv. And from there, as we understand "as from the Don," there is no extradition. Therefore, in order not to be with the Jews -
"Ex-head of the Federal Penitentiary Service Reimer was taken out of the criminal case."

izvestia.ru/news/548892

[kotvov]

don’t have to offend Don, I hope he will be what he was in the 17th century.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ptah

They also steal .....

Reimer when head of the Main Department of Internal Affairs of the Samara Region also grabbed not childishly. And the German positioned himself. And in fact, the representative of the left-wing diaspora. .

[Ptah]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And the German positioned himself. And in fact, the representative of the left-wing diaspora. .

Yes, Igor. Well, everything is like mine. I was alone in four "faces" - a German, a Jew, a Tatar and even a Russian.
Urgently let me steal something, but more. Be sure this week to fall under the amnesty.
And I will get it if I have already been convicted of "hooliganism and exceeding self-defense with serious health consequences".
If not, then I won’t steal ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

this is how the photograph should look like a bit ...

[alone]

Quote: Ptah

Such "pieces of paper" are enough for the daily output of a pulp and paper mill.
And then ....
Ministers are stealing. Investigators and prosecutors should expose them, but they also steal. Cops should catch everyone, they also steal.
Logically, the already-identified gop company should sit on the bunk under the supervision of the guard. Haaaa .....
They also steal .....

and how many such reimers hit the road around the world?

[kotvov]

and you don’t tell me where it all comes from7 or 2017 is still ahead.

[Stiletto]

"Meanwhile, one of Anatoly Serdyukov's lawyers, Genrikh Padva, says that his client may well take advantage of his chance to be amnestied." I agree with Pad .. oh, with one little clarification: "Posthumously."

[makarov]

It will soon become obvious to everyone that Serdyukov and Vasilyev are disabled people of mental labor of groups 1 and 2, and therefore fall under amnesty.

[Z.A.M.]

After reading the article, for some reason I absolutely do not want to talk about S. and V. the next (hundredth?) Time, I’m just tired of it. Everything is clear to everyone.
I’m more interested - but who will still be released? And why?

These are the "hooligans" who do "hooliganism" on airplanes? After all, they can't be imputed anything else. A fine of 5000, well, with an interference "hooligan" is charged.

These are our "magnificent", by chance stumbling alcoholic neighbors, minor stupid people who for years have been treading everyone and everything near them.
And this is only one composition. To disassemble the rest - there is not enough space for letters.
And who thought about the "terpila" victims?
I doubt very much that most of the "stumbled", at least somehow compensated for their "stumble".
As always - humanism towards the criminal, an elderly person who has something to support, and a complete POH .. on a normal "terpila" ...

And the list, of course, sounds so tearful ... in some places and heroically ... Poor liquidators (without irony) and stuck here ...

In short, in my opinion, another mess ...

[baltika-18]

Quote: Z.A.M.

I’m more interested - but who will still be released? And why?

I talked with friends from the "cops" (I can't stand the word police, you understand bad associations), they are not happy with the actions of the authorities with this amnesty. They say another headache is guaranteed.

[Ptah]

Quote: baltika-18

They say another headache is provided.

They, first of all, will not have a "head" but * ache, leg pain and tension in the fingers from the obligatory replies and knocking on the keyboard. These "amnestyers" will have to comply with the parole obligations. And what kind of cop wants to constantly check them at the place of registration (especially in remote villages), etc.

Quote: Z.A.M.

I doubt very much that most of the "stumbled", at least somehow compensated for their "stumble".

I myself fell under the amnesty in 95, having served "on the common fund" for 22 months instead of the "accrued" 36 months.
And from the first day in the zone, the prison officials told me -
"You, kid, are superfluous by all estimates. You were brought here by your youthful bad power, athletic training and" inability "to calculate strength. If you were a stunted, bespectacled nerd, you would not be here. Although, if you were, perhaps now he was not 'sitting', but lying two meters below ground level. "

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: Ptah

If you were a stunted bespectacled nerd you wouldn't be here. Although, if you were like that - you may not "sit" now, and lay two meters below ground level."

I agree, perhaps you were "superfluous" (no sarcasm), there are enough of them. But this is a slightly different topic, not even about operatives-investigators-prosecutors (although they should also be responsible for the "superfluous" ones) but about JUDICIAL. It is they who decidewho is "superfluous".
As far as I understand, you were "blessed" on parole?
But you must agree - all in a crowd ??? Amnesty? And what, these are all "superfluous"? And for each there will be sorted out? Do not make me laugh.

Quote: PSih2097

especially a lot will be a bunch of hemorrhoids.

Ordinary mortals will also "smile" ...

[Ptah]

Quote: Z.A.M.

As far as I understand, you were "blessed" on parole?
But you must agree - all in a crowd ??? Amnesty? And what, these are all "superfluous"? And for each there will be sorted out?

Not by parole, but by an amnesty dedicated to the 50th anniversary of the Victory. And according to parole, I would have already left after serving 2/3 of the term, i.e. 2 months later.
I agree that in the adoption of the last amnesty there is a lot of muddy and specially tailored for some and for the sake of many proliferating "grant-eating right-cheeks." I remembered Putin's last "kiss" to them.
To approach this way, with such haste and with such a large "yardstick", I think that it is impossible.

[slovak007]

It will be interesting to trace how criminal statistics in the country change after the amnesty?

[PSih2097]

h. the second and third articles 161,

Class, it turns out robbery is an easy article ...
Nikolai is right - the police, especially a lot of hemorrhoids will be a precinct.

[Volodin]

Alexander, Art. 161 is contained in paragraph 10 of the decree on amnesty, and it states under which articles the convicts

will not be amnestied

... Namely: "they will not."

[maxcor1974]

It turns out that if the amnesty touches the same Vasiliev, then there will be an ex-head of the department of defense property somewhere between the “songbirds” from Pussy Riot and Greenpeace activists. Like, nothing super-serious - so ... toys ... never mind ...

In fact, the author is right. Once again, there is a feeling that there are people sitting here who stole a "bun from hunger", but for a billion it is unlikely. By tradition, our court remains the most humane for "our own" and an implacable fighter against crime for the rest.
Today I cried with emotion, having learned how severely the regime of detention for Vasilyeva was changed: the poor thing will not be able to go shopping! From which, in her own words, her health can deteriorate sharply! "Beast" judge, it was necessary to come up with such a terrible punishment for her.

[Vladimir65]

What was the amnesty strategy based on? According to the president, the moral code of the builder of communism is a miserable and primitive copy of the Bible. But what in modern Russia is not a parody? And what are these traditional values ​​that should appear among our youth and the older generation, if even a miserable copy of the Bible is not a value. So whoever was sitting will sit, and whoever doesn’t have time to sit will not sit. There are no values, and there is nothing to evaluate.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Vladimir65

According to the president, the moral code of the builder of communism is a miserable and primitive copy of the Bible.

As a communist I will lift an abandoned glove.
And in order not to beat around the bush, I propose to compare these, so:

- The code of ethics of the builder of communism.

1. Devotion to the cause of communism, love for the socialist homeland, for the countries of socialism.
2. Conscientious work for the good of society: he who does not work does not eat.
3. Everyone's concern for maintaining and enhancing the public domain.
4. High consciousness of public duty, intolerance to violations of public interests.
5. Collectivism and comradely mutual assistance: each for all, all for one.
6. Humane relations and mutual respect between people: a person is a friend to a friend, comrade and brother.
7. Honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and personal life.
8. Mutual respect in the family, concern for raising children.
9. Intransigence to injustice, parasitism, dishonesty, careerism, money-grubbing.
10. Friendship and brotherhood of all the peoples of the USSR, intolerance of national and racial hostility.
11. Intolerance towards the enemies of communism, the cause of peace and freedom of peoples.
12. Fraternal solidarity with the working people of all countries, with all peoples.

- 10 Christian Commandments.

1. I am the Lord thy God; May there be no bozi ini, except for Mena (except Me).
2. Do not make yourself an idol and any likeness, an elk in heaven, and an elk on the earth below, and an elik (that) in the waters below the earth: that you should not bow to them, nor serve them.
3. Do not accept (do not pronounce) the name of the Lord your God in vain (in vain).
4. Remember the Sabbath day, if you keep it holy (to keep it holy): do six days, and do all your work in them, and on the seventh day the Sabbath to the Lord your God.
5. Honor your father and your mother, may it be blessed, and may it last long on earth.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Prelyuby not do also.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Do not obey the friend of your testimony is false (do not utter a false testimony against your neighbor).
10. Do not wish your sincere wife, do not wish your neighbor’s house, neither his village, nor his slave, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor all his cattle, nor everything, the tree is the essence of your bastard.

So how is it? Do you still want to compare?

[Karlsonn]

Then the comrade excelled - http://4531.livejournal.com/18062.html
about current realities:

10 commandments of the builder of capitalism.

1. Loyalty to a market economy, love for Western countries.
2. Only personally profitable work.
3. Caring for the preservation and enhancement of personal wealth.
4. The lack of a sense of duty to society, intolerance to the violation of personal interests by society.
5. Individualism and social Darwinism: each for itself.
6. Commercial relations between people and respect only for their legal rights: a person is a competitor to a person.
7. Honesty and truthfulness - when it is beneficial, luxury and status in public life and moral hypocrisy in personal.
8. Business relationships in the family, concern for the education of the heir.
9. Intolerance to internationalism. Friendship on ethnic, socio-economic and religious grounds.
10. Intolerance to the enemies of a market economy and liberalism. Solidarity with all anti-communist forces.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Karlsonn

10 commandments of the builder of capitalism.

And this is generally in the "top ten".

[Karlsonn]

Quote: baltika-18

And this is generally in the "top ten".

I agree, the comrade annealed hellishly.

[alone]

Well, if you count everything stolen, and buy a rope for it, you can wrap the whole Earth with this rope like a ball of woolen threads))

[Ptah]

Quote: Karlsonn

9. Intolerance to internationalism. Friendship on ethnic, socio-economic and religious grounds.

Friendship and commercial relations that do not contradict capitalism are incompatible things.
Internationalism - otherwise universal globalization, only contribute to the principles of a market economy.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Ptah

Internationalism - otherwise universal globalization, only contribute to the principles of a market economy.

Comrade, with all due respect, internationalism and globalization are diametrical opposites, and to say that internationalism promotes the principles of a market economy , buddy you yourself understood what you said?

[Ptah]

Comrade, with all due respect, "internationalism" is the essence of leveling all nations down to the level of one, worshiping one "god". Let it be the Golden Calf. With some values ​​in the form of banknotes. Does it resemble the principles set forth by Karla-Marx in Capital? What we now see everywhere, and that NATIONALISM, in principle, is the opposite of any "inter", implies (including) the national currency in a single state.
It is now clear that the national policy in the field of finance somewhat "slows down" the UNIVERSAL, WORLD economy.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Ptah

Comrade, with all due respect, "internationalism" is the essence of leveling all nations down to the level of one, worshiping one "god".

You confuse the soft with the bitter.

Quote: Ptah

Let it be the Golden Calf. With some values ​​in the form of banknotes.

What a mess!

Quote: Ptah

Does it resemble the principles set forth by Karla-Marx in Capital?

Not. Understand the differences between communist internationalism and modern capitalist globalization.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Karlsonn

So how is it? Do you still want to compare?

Compared, Alexei. The moral code is more acceptable, detailed, detailed. It would be more correct to say that the Ten Commandments are only part of the moral code, adapted to the worldview of people at a lower level of intellectual development.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: baltika-18

Compared, Alexei. The moral code is more acceptable, detailed, detailed. It would be more correct to say that the Ten Commandments are only part of the moral code, adapted to the worldview of people at a lower level of intellectual development.

Ну , I find it easier:
- Between the biblical commandments and the code of the communist there are many centuries of evolution of both man and society. Accordingly, even comparing them is not correct, but saying that the code is a miserable copy of the biblical commandments, Well then, using this logic, we can safely say that modern society is a miserable shadow of the social formations of the slave system.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Karlsonn

Well, I find things easier:
- between the biblical commandments and the code of the communist are many centuries of evolution of both man and society

Do you think that our civilization is the one and only on the planet? But this path was most likely already passed by someone before us. And we have a lot of clues left to us as a legacy, which we consider riddles to be riddles and do not want to admit that we are not unique at all, and that the situation in the world in general, and in Russia, is especially under the constant control of those who used to live on the planet, and that their intervention is inevitable, because both worlds are interconnected.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: baltika-18

Do you think that our civilization is the one and only on the planet?

And what does it have to do with it?

Quote: baltika-18

And we have a lot of clues left to us as a legacy, which we consider riddles to be poorly thoughtful

How can this help us, practically?

Quote: baltika-18

and in Russia it is especially under constant control of those who used to live on the planet, and that their intervention is inevitable, because both worlds are interconnected.

with a howl jumps into the dugout

here I am really from the descendants of ancient ukrov barely struggling, and you comrade about another world? Let me figure it out.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Karlsonn

I'm really here from the descendants of ancient ukrov barely struggling

Yes, what does it have to do with it? This is price-directed dusting of brains, withdrawal from the problem. I’m more about science, the multidimensionality of the world, the continuity of civilizations.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: baltika-18

I’m more about science, the multidimensionality of the world, the continuity of civilizations.

Unless proven otherwise, perhaps all.
I think only for a mobile phone 600 years ago they burned at the stake, so I admit such an opportunity.

[kotvov]

You are right about this, but do not forget the sayings of MARX, what they will do for the sake of making profit. What we are observing now.

[Ptah]

Quote: Karlsonn

Do you still want to compare?

There will be. And I think that a lot. Too long article will turn out. But if there is only one comment on paragraph 2 of the "Commandments".
As an appeal "do not create an idol for yourself" is linked with thousands of parades, thunderous applause, turning into prolonged ovations, and the desire of "all progressive humanity" to kiss "dear Ilyich".

Simply put: The commandments are addressed to the PERSONALITY, and the code is addressed to the HUMAN COMMUNITY, in order to bring each individual to the likeness of the PERSONALITY.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Ptah

Will be found. And I think that a lot.

- Come one by one!

Quote: Ptah

But if there is only one comment on paragraph 2 of the "Commandments".
As an appeal "do not create an idol for yourself" is linked with thousands of parades, thunderous applause, turning into prolonged ovations, and the desire of "all progressive humanity" to kiss "dear Ilyich".

Comrade I suggested comparing the commandments and the code, and you apply the biblical commandment to a historical fact --- what are you writing this to?
And why do not you like the parades?

Quote: Ptah

Simply put: The commandments are addressed to the PERSONALITY, and the code is addressed to the HUMAN COMMUNITY in order to bring each individual to the likeness of the PERSONALITY.

Comrade, you are completely confused:
- both the biblical commandments and the code of the builder of communism are addressed to the individual, in the first case to a Christian, in the second to a communist, and the goal of both is self-improvement of a person within society.

[kotvov]

otherwise, let the one who stole the people answer here and now. There are no others.

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: Vladimir65

According to the president, the moral code of the builder of communism is miserable and primitive copy of the bible.

Yes, I agree with you. It also "cut" me. This "pathetic" copy was the theses of ideology USSR state.
And now he probably hopes that everyone will rush to study the script ... not miserable and complete. Well, and as a result - to live by it ... True, in his press conference, he mentioned that there is no money for the media, even for those supported by the state.
And so - read the Bible to people and watch the current TV, peeping, swearing, insulting, shooting, killing, all in blood-clotting rending TV.
Read and watch ...

Quote: Vladimir65

There are no values, and there is nothing to evaluate.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Z.A.M.

And now he probably hopes that everyone will rush to study the script ... not miserable and complete. Well, and as a result - live on it ...

[Ptah]

Yarosvet again for his "sore" ....
Well, what did the Christians do personally to you?
Well, they do not impose on anyone with their religion, or with missionary work, or with extremism, or with an obsessive desire to "control the processes." Individual offers always have an alternative.
Although for Orthodoxy every person of the Yarosvet type and “a lost soul worthy of salvation,” he is not interesting for the church in general. So where does this "interest" in religion come from?
The salvation of the "Yarosvetov" is the work of the Yaro-saints themselves ...

[fartfraer]

in Tomsk, one short-sighted rtshnik spoke out that they say all single mothers are ladies, who should be named with the letter b .. (a very capacious word). He spoke out publicly, such a bitch. So the churchmen impose their opinion, whether they want it or not.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Ptah

Well, what did the Christians do personally to you?
Well, they do not impose on anyone with their religion, or with missionary work, or with extremism, or with an obsessive desire to "control the processes."

At least with these commercial projects:

Russian Orthodox Church asks to transfer to her ownership of even more buildings

http://www.rbcdaily.ru/market/562949990013145

Quote: Ptah

Although for Orthodoxy, every person like Yarosvet and "a lost soul worthy of salvation"

And for the comrade Yarosvet every person of the "religious" type is a person who believes in an invisible master.

Quote: Ptah

but he is not interested in the church as a whole.

don't think comrade Yarosvet believers are deeply interested, even in official religions, even in Great Cthulhu.

Quote: Ptah

The salvation of the "Yarosvetov" is the work of the Yaro-saints themselves ...

But should he be saved?

[Ptah]

I don’t accept this style of communication in the form of drawn quotes and little correlation with the essence of the questions, but I’ll try it once

Quote: Karlsonn

And why do not you like the parades?

The opportunity to arrange a mass attack.

Quote: Karlsonn

Comrade, you are completely confused:

This will be decided by either a psychopathologist or an investigator.

Quote: Karlsonn

Russian Orthodox Church asks to transfer to her ownership of even more buildings

How many buildings do you personally have?

Quote: Karlsonn

I do not think that comrade Yarosvet is deeply interested in believers

On the contrary. Would be "uninteresting", would not pay so much attention this "problem". Although let, its right ...

Quote: Karlsonn

But should he be saved?

I'm not sure about the "must". Especially any religion. Any religion SAVES THE SOULS OF SINNERS (including me), but not perishable shells, but such as Yarosvet and atheist communists are sinless a priori. In their opinion, their "salvation" is unnecessary - they are always right, therefore they are holy.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Ptah

The opportunity to arrange a mass attack.

If you extrapolate your logic, then the metro must be banned.

Quote: Ptah

This will be decided by either a psychopathologist or an investigator.

And here the investigator and psychotherapist if you do not understand that the code is aimed at a person, and not at a human community.
You do not need seven spans in the forehead to understand this, it is enough to carefully read the name.

[Ptah]

Lyosha, and someone’s written there on a poster. This is where such a relationship is noticeable now? Maybe only at party meetings.
But in Russia I have not seen this for a long time. And having traveled half-Europe, I have never seen it at all.
I will not say that I do not want to live up to those times and find what is written on the poster, but history has shown that this has not happened in a century. Then it may not be worth trying to put in the head, in the words of Pu, "a pitiful and primitive copy", but it is enough not to steal the Bible.
Moreover, everything has been registered there for a long time.

Quote: Karlsonn

If you extrapolate your logic, then the metro must be banned.

Then first, the mass frenzy in the stadiums. Open mouths, convulsive movements and the like, clearly not correlated with the behavior of a morally stable "builder of communism".

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Ptah

history has shown that this has not come in a century

The bible failed for 3.5 thousand years

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Ptah

Lyosha, and someone’s written there on a poster.

the picture is clickable, nno - "The moral code of the builder of communism".

Quote: Ptah

This is where such a relationship is noticeable now?

Now almost nowhere, unfortunately.

Quote: Ptah

I can’t say that I don’t want to live up to those times and find what is written on the poster, but history has shown that this has not happened in a century.

Well, not for a century, and the comrade correctly notes that the Bible does not do well for longer periods.

Quote: Ptah

but it’s enough not to bawl the bible.

It’s hard to disagree.

Quote: Ptah

Moreover, everything has been registered there for a long time.

Well, there is a lot of things written about how the Jews committed genocide by cleansing the promised land, and how homosexuals and perverts were burned correctly, and much more that does not detract from this Book.

Quote: Ptah

Then first, the mass frenzy in the stadiums. Open mouths, convulsive movements and the like, clearly not correlated with the behavior of a morally stable "builder of communism".

Again - it's hard to argue with that.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Ptah

Well, what did the Christians do personally to you?

I don’t digest a lie, but in this case it has nothing to do with the case: if you didn’t react like a bull to a red rag, trying to “defend” the religion, but would look closely at the commentary, you would probably see that it is an illustration of the commentary Z.A.Ma

Well, they do not impose on anyone with their religion, or with missionary work, or with extremism, or with an obsessive desire to "control the processes."

And I'm probably a ballerina

So where does this "interest" in religion come from?

I am curious.
Why are you so sausages about my interest?

[Karlsonn]

Yarosvet

Greetings comrade .
I’m baptized myself, but I’m sitting and thinking:
- Judge for yourself, millions of pre-Columbian Indians died without even knowing that Christ was Christianity, by the will of fate they were born in America, lived and died pagans - by definition they burn in hell, as by the way our ancestors lived before Vladimir, and all this just because they were born at the wrong time and in the wrong place.

- Somehow somehow I got it wrong ...

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Karlsonn

Hey.

something somehow wrong to me ...

And "that" cannot be: the entire system is built on such hefty contradictions that it simply does not work without global assumptions (hence the requirement to be like children, that is, get rid of critical thinking)

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Yarosvet

And "that" cannot be: the entire system is built on such hefty contradictions that it simply does not work without global assumptions (hence the requirement to be like children, that is, get rid of critical thinking)

So yes, when I hear, about the fact that if you don’t believe like us, because only our faith is the only right one, it becomes sad.

[Ptah]

Quote: Yarosvet

I don’t digest lies, I'm curious, apparently a ballerina

Possible, but unlikely. I knew one, about such people they say "stupid as a cork." For that one, it was blatant flattery - the cork in her pointe shoes was much more intelligent than the wearer.
Maybe curious, but obviously inattentive. It would be different to see that the word "interest" is in quotation marks. So this is not an interest, but a biased attitude. Why would? Yes, I personally do not care ...
Just for TS objectivity. Why not stick a couple of demos about Islam or Judaism. Of course, according to the rules of the site, "do not offend feelings."
I think with such perseverance, Yarosvet is not difficult to find such?

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Ptah

Knew one

Not easy for you

but a biased attitude. Why would

Already explained

Yes, I personally do not care ...

So don't ask

Why not stick a couple of demos about Islam or Judaism

Mdya ... I wrote them in Russian in black - Z.A.M.’s comment about Vova, and Vova doesn’t stop his ass in the mosque (and you look for all the arrivals to Orthodoxy, you try to feel offended)

according to the rules of the site, "not offending feelings".

According to the dogmas of Christianity - a Christian should thank anyone who somehow hurt him, and you inspire me about the rules of the site ...

[Ptah]

Quote: Yarosvet

and Vova in the mosque doesn’t stop his ass

Only there he does not "hang out". Maybe they don't want to "defile"? But he was in Bulgarians, and I was there twice. And even leafing through the largest Koran, when I was there he was already in the glass "aquarium".

[Center]

2[/ Center]

www.ansar.ru/rfsng/2012/08/29/33047

Quote: Yarosvet

you are looking for all the arrivals in Orthodoxy, trying to feel offended

Oh well ... You are confusing me with someone else, I have someone else’s pity without the need. And offending me is difficult.
Speaking "about the rules", he hinted that "7" next to the nickname would turn into "8" or "9", followed by a ban for a month. Do I personally need it?

Quote: Yarosvet

According to the dogmas of Christianity - a Christian should thank anyone who somehow hurt him,

Nobody told me about such dogmas. Then, (wrote above) 20 years ago, one judge already "made me happy with the opportunity to be grateful" for being hurt.
We won't talk about "cheek" now - it's about brotherhood and unity with fellow believers.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Ptah

But he was in the Bulgarians, and I was there twice too. And even flipping through the largest Quran

It can be anywhere and flipping through anything, but not sending rituals to the camera, and not demonstratively giving preference to any religion or denomination (and if Christianity is PR, it certainly should not act contrary to the traditional understanding of scripture and tradition - dem. about it)

next to the nickname will turn into "8" or "9", followed by a ban for a month

We’ll all be there - this is not a problem: the problem is that you see something offensive where it does not exist, and that the relevant law and the rules of the site are inadequate in this part.

Nobody told me about such dogmas.

Indeed?
But what about this: Matthew 5:44, 7: 1; Romans 12:19?

[evgenm55]

In general, it seems to me that the amnesty was organized so that all this Caudle, as it were, "legally" removed from the investigation (I’m not talking about the trial, and it wouldn’t have come). alone. being the direct and only her boss, he did not know what she was doing, and far from even one year? In any case, even for fun, another episode of "negligence". And if he has only one article of the Criminal Code-56 volumes , his lawyers say that the acquaintance will take at least a year, how many volumes does Vas'kina have? Although no, most likely a personal gynecologist will soon set 12 weeks of pregnancy - the guests went to the "arrested" ...

[Ascetic]

Quote: evgenm55

Although no, most likely a personal gynecologist will soon set 12 weeks of pregnancy - the guests went to the "arrested" ...

PuGalkins will make her surrogate mother for the next PR of their kagala

[Ivanovich47]

If Serdyukov and his harem are amnestied, the last argument that our country is fighting corruption will be lost. Then the statements of Putin and Medvedev that "we are fighting corruption" will not be worth a penny.In this case, Russia will never get out of the swamp of bribery.

[fartfraer]

passed)) we have the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (which successfully ended under Nurgaliev) was declared successful, after half a year they reviewed the "success" and nothing, people "forgiven" and Serdyukov will be forgiven if his "roof" is moved once again by the "zaboristy" slogan. people have lost memory and no longer distinguish deeds from words. This is the main problem of the country

[vkrav]

Pidorkovsky has already been released ... Damn, and this is instead of a watchtower, a complete confiscation of "acquired by back-breaking labor" and a family in Magadan for life ...

[Black]

Quote: Ivanovich47

If Serdyukov and his harem will be amnestied

What does it mean - IF ?????
Do not even worry. Israel, Cote d'Azur, Spain, Mallorca ....
A foreign land awaits them, ordeal without a homeland ....

[kind]

Tolyan holds someone tightly by the balls, so much so that even a law on amnesty was invented for him.

[Snoop]

And the carrier of these eggs is endowed with very great power

[tooth46]

Perdyukov, in order that the case against him be dismissed in connection with the act of amnesty, must legally plead guilty. Would he do that? Probably not. And so smeared.

[ko88]

LAST DROP ON TRUST IN THE GOVERNMENT EXHAUSTED, EVERYTHING! CONSCIENCE NO, SO SO? CARDIAC WITH VASILLA SUCH CASES! I THINK EVERYTHING, THE BATS WILL ANSWER, HERE WHAT? AMNESTY (((FREEDOM OF THRESHOLD) A FLUAL BOAT! ANNOUNCEMENT

[hitech]

Everyone already knows, but so, for clarity, they complain WHY DO WE NOT TIME TO RE-EQUIP?