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Is Viktor Yanukovych the last president of Ukraine?

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The European Union has suspended work on the Agreement on the Euro-Association of Ukraine, said European Commissioner Stefan Fule. Unlike empty euro slots, this is an act, for such actions are usually behind whole strategies. A number of experts (Alexei Pushkov) believe that by this the European Union has changed the political course. He lost hope of forcing President Yanukovych to sign the Euro-Association in its current colonial form, and decided to overthrow him.




No, “Europe” will not call for Euromaidan to storm the presidential administration in Kiev, this is, after all, not aesthetically pleasing! Formally, Brussels sees a way out of the confrontation in Ukraine in early parliamentary and presidential elections, that is, in the "legitimate" departure of the Ukrainian president. So he was advised from across the ocean: Earlier, the Freedom House institute called Mr. Yanukovich’s departure and early elections "the only non-violent way to end the confrontation with demonstrators."

Klitschko has already set these requirements of the European Union on behalf of Euromaidan. And who is he after that? Of course, a puppet, like all of his Maidan. No, well, at least they would wait a little, completely lost their conscience! No wonder they say: helpful "experienced" worse than the enemy!

But the president of the Maidan does not hear, Klitschko complains to Western journalists, although this is not so. The president had just heard him, and now Antimaydan is rally near Maidan ...

So, the European Union, with the filing of Washington, sets the task of continuing the Orange Revolution to the victorious end, which is, let's refresh the work of Professor Gene Sharp, namely the elections, the next ones - extraordinary - is not important. It is important that any elections are sufficient reason for the West to deny the legitimacy of the current government, and declare an undoubted victory of their puppets in the elections, and to accuse all those who disagree with fraud, to declare enemies of democracy, progress and "European values", including now homosexuality.

“Peaceful demonstrations” are taken by the West under protection, therefore, one should expect an escalation of tension in Ukraine. The so-called “sacred sacrifice” of the revolution, which could not be brought in the first days of December, is again on the agenda. Revolutionaries have no choice, as they are sometimes justified, because, according to the scenario, it is necessary to cover up Yanukovych with blood, accidental or staged, as it will ...

However, in the case of Ukraine, a truly divided country, the demand for early elections in a political crisis is a way to split the country. This is the European Union and the US need? After Vilnius - you can ...

Because after the Vilnius European disgrace, Ukraine’s European integration is no longer possible. This is not talked about, but it is this circumstance that most likely is behind the new strategy announced by the European Commissioner Fule. Formally, it is possible to sign the Euro-Association, of course, but to put it into practice will no longer work. In fact, the European Union and the United States have already buried her: they allegedly cannot find 20 billion euros for Ukraine. Is Ukraine not worth such a ridiculous amount? Worth it, but ...

After the Vilnius scandal, when so much dirty integration linen was discovered, publicly examined, and most importantly, the smell reached the population of Ukraine, the very first attempts to put the Agreement into practice, the very first scandals with the shutdown of enterprises and the ruin of the population, would be stopped and buried. Political and image losses for the European Union will be much more expensive than 20 billion euros, which, moreover, will be wasted. He will burn on his forehead: I am really a crook. The secret too soon became clear!

In connection with Vilnius, the greatest hatred of the European Union is caused, perhaps, not by President Yanukovych, but by Prime Minister Mykola Azarov behind him, therefore the resignation of the Azarov government is the main demand of the opposition Klitschko-Yatsenyuk-Pygnyboka. Indeed, Azarov’s policy towards the European Union is distinguished by particular cynicism: he stands for the European integration of Ukraine on “fair conditions”.

No, what? Idealist, or something worse? The great Putin cannot achieve mutually beneficial conditions for Russia from “Europe,” butting everything with her for the “third energy package”, and Ukraine on its side demands “justice”! This is arrogance with burglary, therefore, about the resignation of the Azarov government does not get tired to repeat euroboxing Klitschko.

But Azarov is still unable to tear him away from Yanukovych, and the West decides to “legally” leave Yanukovych, and to write off Ukraine “into a split”, since it is not possible to colonize.

Whatever you may say, but President Viktor Yanukovych is the only unifying figure in Ukraine today, some kind of one. There is no successor to his policy, so with his overthrow after the early elections, Ukraine will disintegrate by itself, at least into West and East, in a natural way. In interpreting the results of such elections after all that has happened, and what else will happen, the West and East of Ukraine are unlikely to converge, and therefore will diverge.

A chance to save the statehood of Ukraine is to reach for the next presidential election in 2015, you see, that will change ...
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 08: 04
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    In the morning there are already 4 articles for Ukraine. Maybe it’s close to the final denouement associated with the game of independence. If so, then I am FOR! It's time to stop this circus.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 17 December 2013 08: 14
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      In the morning there are already 4 articles for Ukraine. Maybe it’s close to the final denouement associated with the game of independence. If so, then I am FOR! It's time to stop this circus.

      Feelings and feelings are the same as yours Alexander. Something is "maturing" in Ukraine, but WHAT, the next time will show ..
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 17 December 2013 09: 04
        13
        I also could not help but turn my attention to what is happening in Ukraine.

        Biscuit rolls.

        A lady from the States was handing out rolls!
        Greater support for Eurodemocrats
        Spent time on the Maidan
        Grandma Victoria Under Secretary of State?

        Are the people in Square promised a paradise?
        Only in the European Union will your land flourish?
        Does Verit Yanukovych-Nuland save them?
        But the matter doesn’t go any further!

        The other day, VVP will come again to ask for money for Eurointegration.
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 17 December 2013 12: 36
          +4
          Arberes SU "One of these days, again, VVP will come to ask for money for European integration."
          -------------------------------------------------
          Indeed, a lot is written about this. But I don’t understand something: What kind of MONEY can we talk about? I would have understood if Yanukovych had clearly stated: yes, we are going to the TS! But this is NOT! He still hasn't said firmly Yes or NO! What will Putin talk to him about if he continues to follow the path of "European integration" for the sake of these three M.U.D.A.K.AM? Perhaps tomorrow everything will become clear, but if RUSSIA gives him MONEY without joining the Customs Union, then I will equate this matter with Serdyukov's affairs with Oboronservis!
          1. just exp
            just exp 17 December 2013 22: 35
            +2
            if the conditions for issuing a loan are not publicly voiced, this does not mean that they were not.
        2. scrack
          scrack 17 December 2013 22: 10
          +2
          Putin decided to buy Ukrainian bonds for 15 billion green waste paper
      2. Canep
        Canep 17 December 2013 09: 04
        +3
        I think Yanukovych will be able to take control of the situation. Now frosts in Kiev would not be in the way, which would disperse this Maidan, better than special forces. And if Maidan workers frozen to death appear, then these sacred sacrifices will be on the conscience of the Euroboxer. The weather forecast really does not promise colder -2 at night.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 09: 14
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          I think Yanukovych will be able to take the situation under

          And what exactly prompts such thoughts?
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 17 December 2013 12: 37
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And what exactly prompts such thoughts?

            That's it,NOTHING.

            Or so it seems to me?
            1. Felix200970
              Felix200970 17 December 2013 19: 50
              +2
              Quote: Corsair
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And what exactly prompts such thoughts?

              That's it,NOTHING.
              Or so it seems to me?

              That's it. From outside, no positive gestures can be seen, but ... If these maydanut sheep hadn't crawled out onto the square, we would never have found out which cesspool they wanted to thrust us into. The body movements of the interested muzzles became noticeable. We can already say with some certainty that the three Tabadyn horses no longer represent an opposition, but are working on cabbage. Let's see how they will deal with the security forces, who had the imprudence to complete the task. By the way, the Ukrainian communists correctly posed the question to the authorities: "If only the security officials are responsible for the events of November 30, then this country will be the same as with the USSR after 1991". So let's see which of the politicians will be appointed the scapegoat. Most likely it will be the NSDC secretary comrade Klyuev
        2. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 17 December 2013 10: 43
          +8
          The position of Russia in the sense of the leadership of the Russian Federation is surprising.
          In contrast to the United States and the West, which are actively providing assistance to the Maidan activists, ours take a neutral position "let Ukraine determine its own position, where to go to the European Union or the Customs Union."
          Even if Putin is playing some kind of secret game against Ukraine, which the public does not know about, then all the same Russia is losing the information war again, for Ukraine.
          Neutral position, defense position - obviously losing, this is clear to everyone.
          If Russia loses Ukraine, it will fundamentally weaken its position in the world.
          In my opinion, essentially we will weaken Russia so much that in the near future the question of the existence of Russia itself will arise.
          1. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 17 December 2013 11: 18
            15
            Quote: vladimirZ
            The position of Russia in the sense of the leadership of the Russian Federation is surprising.
            In contrast to the United States and the West, actively assisting Maidan people, ours are neutral

            All GDP is doing the right thing, sooner or later people will simply make final conclusions regarding the European Union and their henchmen. Now time works for us, at least as long as Yanukovych holds on. It’s just that GDP positioned itself in the world as not interference in foreign jurisdiction, the question is not only in Ukraine. Now the whole world is looking at the actions of Russia and what will it look like if the GDP begins to publicly, like the European Union, influence the situation in Ukraine? And behind the scenes, the influence on power in Ukraine is in full swing, otherwise why would the Ukrainian government rush about like a cockroach under dichlorvos? So everything that happens in Ukraine works on GDP, is it just that his game is much thinner than all the others, or do you want him to fall to the level of McCain? This is of course my personal opinion, but how much it corresponds to reality will show time ....
            1. andru_007
              andru_007 17 December 2013 12: 08
              +2
              Quote: ziqzaq
              Now time is working for us

              Gold words! The longer the Maidan will stand (within the framework of criminal law), the more disappointment will be in it!
            2. Victor Kamenev
              17 December 2013 13: 11
              +2
              I agree that you should not act like McCain, but you need to support Russian-Ukrainians more. The question is how to do this? This should make Yanukovych, talk about it in the Kremlin, in my opinion.
              1. andru_007
                andru_007 17 December 2013 17: 51
                +1
                Quote: Victor Kamenev
                support Russian-Ukrainians need more. The question is how to do this?


                How to do very simple! It is necessary to do, also, what the West is doing: to develop NPOs in Ukraine, to carry out propaganda, to grow politicians, and so on.
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                  1. andru_007
                    andru_007 18 December 2013 10: 51
                    0
                    Quote: TampaRU
                    Do you want to tell us that Mr. Yanukovych and Co will raise politicians? I beg you, don’t tell my slippers ... Does he need it? He needs to save his "f * ck". And, if he is able to educate someone, then look at him and see who we get in the exhaust ... And in the exhaust we get, as in Bulgakov's "Heart of a Dog"? Yes, Klim, Klim Chugunkin ... an alcoholic and "abyrvalg" in the broadest sense of this character. And the question is ... Do we need it? No ...
                    Yours faithfully,

                    You do not understand, it’s not Yanukovych, but Putin. If Russia does not want to draw Ukraine into the EU, it is vital for the Kremlin to develop NGOs and conduct propaganda in Ukraine, mobilizing about Russian forces (unfortunately this work is not ongoing).
                2. Tamparu
                  Tamparu 17 December 2013 21: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: andru_007


                  How to do very simple! It is necessary to do, also, what the West is doing: to develop NPOs in Ukraine, to carry out propaganda, to grow politicians, and so on.


                  Do you want to tell us that Mr. Yanukovych and Co will raise politicians? I beg you, don’t tell my slippers ... Does he need it? He needs to save his "f * ck". And, if he is able to educate someone, then look at him and see who we get in the exhaust ... And in the exhaust we get, as in Bulgakov's "Heart of a Dog"? Yes, Klim, Klim Chugunkin ... an alcoholic and "abyrvalg" in the broadest sense of this character. And the question is ... Do we need it? No ...
                  Yours faithfully, hi
            3. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 17 December 2013 13: 45
              +7
              ziqzaq (3)
              ... sooner or later, people will simply make final conclusions about the European Union and their henchmen. Now time is working for us ...


              God grant that your words come true! And if people stupefied by Western propaganda draw the wrong conclusions, as was the case in 1990 and 1991, and Ukraine enters into an association with the European Union?

              everything that happens in Ukraine works on GDP, is it just that its game is much thinner than all the others, or do you want it to fall to the level of McCain?


              Why should VVP be "McCain"? That in Russia there are no other political leaders of lesser rank at the McCain level who would work out Russia's position in Ukraine?
              Where are the Russian media that would competently influence the consciousness of the people of Ukraine?
              Look at television, how little they cover events in Kiev and other cities of the "independent".
              In my opinion, Russia does not respond to the challenges of the information war, and again loses it in the post-Soviet space of Ukraine.
          2. domokl
            domokl 17 December 2013 11: 40
            0
            Quote: vladimirZ
            In my opinion, essentially we will weaken Russia so much that in the near future the question of the existence of Russia itself will arise.

            You’re an alarmist, dear. Or you don’t have a good command of the situation in Ukraine. For a quarter of a century, the question of Russia has not been raised, but now it suddenly has arisen, is it so cool? The only thing that threatens us is the huge cost of strengthening the border, reorienting enterprises to our own strengths and stolen the Black Sea Navy bases.
            We don’t owe anything to anyone. If the people want to resist the Maidan, they will take to the streets ... But they don’t want to, then there’s no point in pouring millions and millions of dollars there. At the moment, the people of Ukraine are half and half ... They want some ( there are a bit more of them) others do not want (2% LESS ...) And the rest (most, more precisely, most of all percent do not care
          3. 31231
            31231 17 December 2013 11: 54
            +3
            What was he supposed to do ?! Come to the Crimea or the Donbass and distribute pine nuts to supporters of the TS ?!
            What for?!
            It was enough to introduce a barrier on the border and assured Ukrainian legarchs.
            Let the Makeins and Nulands fuss, Woland why not fool around with political corpses.
          4. andru_007
            andru_007 17 December 2013 12: 05
            10
            In my opinion, Putin pauses to strike at the right moment when all the bargaining chips are thrown to the west! Many will object to me, but I propose to recall Syria, then everything seemed to be gone too, and they were preparing for war. Then there was also a long pause, but the GDP slowly pulled the situation. In my opinion, now, any action by the Kremlin will cause hysteria on the Maidan. At the same time, prolonging the situation will allow the Maidan (but most importantly the sponsors) to run out of steam. I think the GDP will hold the Olympics, and then seriously take up Ukraine!
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 16: 45
              +2
              Quote: andru_007
              Many will object to me, but I propose to recall Syria, then everything seemed to be gone too, and they were preparing for war. Then there was also a long pause, but the GDP slowly pulled the situation.

              However, there is still a difference between Syria and Ukraine. In Syria, adequate leadership and Assad went to meet the proposal of GDP. Next went the joint, joint actions and efforts of the Russian Federation and the ATS, which led to the desired result for both parties.
              In Ukraine, it’s not a leadership, but a parody of it. Like in an old joke about a monkey - both smart and beautiful, at least tear! Absolutely unpredictable. Developing such a unified strategy will be more difficult than finding Martians on Mars. laughing
              1. andru_007
                andru_007 17 December 2013 17: 47
                +1
                Yes, it really will not be easy, but we must understand that given the seeming inadequacy of the leadership of Ukraine, there is a factor determining their behavior (and this, unfortunately, is not patriotism at all) - this is a benefit. The technological chain of the manufacturing sector, for the most part, is aimed at Russia. Losing the Russian market, they lose their earnings. GDP is perfectly shown in the summer. Therefore, the association was not signed. This circumstance allows the Russian leadership to be relatively calm. Ukraine is not going anywhere, especially the EU refused to compensate for the losses.
                1. Jogan-xnumx
                  Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 19: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: andru_007
                  Losing the Russian market, they lose their earnings.

                  That's right, they are losing earnings. But their very big capitals, stolen by back-breaking labor, are in Europe, to which access may be blocked. A double-edged sword ... And they will rush to those who will show a larger "carrot". Therefore, to begin with, you need a leader who firmly adheres to the pro-Russian position and with a state approach to his country. Ideally, Old Man.
                  1. andru_007
                    andru_007 18 December 2013 10: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Jogan-64
                    That's right, they are losing earnings. But their very big capitals, stolen by back-breaking labor, are in Europe, to which access may be blocked. A double-edged sword ... And they will rush to those who will show a larger "carrot"

                    Capital without earnings will be "eaten away". Berezovsky's example is obvious. The question is, what will an individual oligarch choose if they are put cancer? But they will adhere to the policy of "multi-vector" to the end.
                    Quote: Jogan-64
                    Therefore, for starters, we need a leader who firmly adheres to the pro-Russian position and with a state approach to his country. Ideally - Old Man


                    About the Old Man agrees. In my opinion, it would be more effective even in the place of GDP.
                    1. Jogan-xnumx
                      Jogan-xnumx 18 December 2013 14: 44
                      0
                      Quote: andru_007
                      Capital without earnings will be "eaten away". Berezovsky's example is obvious.

                      Naturally "eaten". Only this truth still has to be understood. Here the mentality plays a role, which the Ukrainian oligarchs, even in comparison with BAB, are too small-town. BAB kept fucking himself, tried to swallow too large a piece and choked. And these, according to the principle "both ours and yours," sit on two chairs ... They feared more for capital than for the source of capital. Well, and, as always, hoped for chance. They thought, I suppose, since they are the "navels of the Earth" in Ukraine, then they will look in their asses there too, agree, as with Russia. Aha! ShchaZZZ! Then they probably realized that no one in Europe would reckon with their "steamer factories", so they backed down. And the European Union has already begun to put pressure on them with possible sanctions against their capital, since, apparently, they realized that by pressure only on Yanukovych and the Cabinet of Ministers they will achieve little. They will press through the oligarchs' loot.
                      So the answer to your question, what they choose, can be anything. For nonsense and selfish interests-in Ukraine akin to a hobby. hi
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          6. Tamparu
            Tamparu 17 December 2013 12: 27
            +3
            Quote: vladimirZ

            In my opinion, essentially we will weaken Russia so much that in the near future the question of the existence of Russia itself will arise.


            With this thought, I agree with all 1%.
            Now in Ukraine there is a battle for RUSSIA, but the advanced "penal battalion" led by the former "urkozek" is fighting in complete encirclement without any reserves and inside the "shrafbat", privates, NOBODY really wants to help him, because .. . "THIEF" ... he ... something like that ...
          7. Alekseev
            Alekseev 17 December 2013 12: 55
            +6
            Quote: vladimirZ
            The position of Russia in the sense of the leadership of the Russian Federation is surprising.
            In contrast to the United States and the West, which are actively providing assistance to the Maidan activists, ours take a neutral position "let Ukraine determine its own position, where to go to the European Union or the Customs Union."

            And what, Zhirinovsky with a group of deputies to let in Kiev with bread and salt and a wad of money?
            Western visitors (and, especially, Sahak) discredit themselves and their maydanut friends, although they do not understand this.
            The Russian media cover the situation, in general, right. For example, my friends and relatives in Ukraine do not watch news on Inter, etc. Their hype and bias is too high. All is not without sin, but there are limits to everything.
            Another thing is the "gray", but stubborn and belligerent mass, which does not want to hear anything. request
            How at work at a brother-in-law in the glorious city of Odessa: five are sober-minded adequate guys, and give the sixth to Julia and the geyrop, no matter what ... What is history and economics? Give Julia, at least about ... smiling. wassat
            One wiseacre argues: I want my children to be able to go to London, to Paris, "right when they want."
            I object: in order to go to London and Paris, you first of all need some money, and only then associations and members are different. And for this you need to have a high-paying job, that is, an efficient economy
            An outburst of anger in response: you, they say, do not "reason", you are an agent of Moscow, it’s not enough, they say, you still used Ukraine. And Putin is your fulyugan, a security officer, usurper and dictator! request
            What kind of information war is this "stump"? Until "the sand in the ass does not blow" no campaign will take.
            Say that such is not all. Yes, not all. But, unfortunately, quite a few ...
            1. 31231
              31231 17 December 2013 13: 41
              +3
              The funniest thing is that the local Vrungels claim that in Russia in our country mass media are propaganda and they steal no less than their officials. And because of this, they do not want to in the vehicle.
              At the same time, Belarus and Kazakhstan, as it is, do not toggle themselves and do not puff up on these issues. But these are seen with ambition.
              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 17 December 2013 13: 47
                +2
                Quote: 31231
                local Vrungels argue that in Russia the propaganda is completely mass media and they steal no less than their officials. And because of this, they do not want to in the vehicle.

                But what if Ukraine joins the CU, then thieves' officials will be sent from Russia to the heapless one from Russia?
                And honest people from the EU will be sent to replace their thieves?
            2. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 17: 03
              +3
              Quote: Alekseev
              What kind of information war is this "stump"? Until "the sand in the ass does not blow" no campaign will take.
              Say that such is not all. Yes, not all. But, unfortunately, quite a few ...

              Your truth !!! He himself met such people and discussed them more than once. In response to any arguments, only slogans. fool Stupid statement to me that I "do not understand" and "zaprodanets" Russia. All!
              I ask, why don't I understand this, explain? Or, how and with what did Russia "buy" me, show me? request
              The answer is that you are all here sold to Russia, zombie and unpatriotic. Further - again slogans, such as "ganba - get".
              And such people come from educated, competent, held people ... what Surprising incompatibility incompatibility in their heads!
        3. avt
          avt 17 December 2013 10: 59
          0
          Quote: Canep
          I think Yanukovych will be able to take control of the situation

          And he controls it, or rather controls the wholesale auction of the country "Ukraine", so he runs from China to Moscow shouting - "Place your bets gentlemen!" Well, then he, and the oligarch behind him throughout the country and all deeply on the phalos. The main thing is to sell so competently, so that later the money is not taken away.
        4. Sirop
          Sirop 17 December 2013 11: 53
          +4
          Well, why at the end of December they promise -20 and then it will be fun for them)))), let's see what happens!
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 17 December 2013 11: 57
        +7
        Chirii is ripening on Nenko’s ass. Zapadentsy, as were freeloaders, they will remain in the future. But eastern Ukraine, as it worked hard, it will work hard and feed freeloaders. Everything will depend on the breadwinners - they will want to continue to endure lice or not. stop
      4. just exp
        just exp 17 December 2013 22: 34
        +1
        The states and Russia divided Ukraine, bought 15 billion of its debts.
        along then the territory will be divided in half.
      5. Igmor
        Igmor 23 December 2013 18: 27
        0
        The chimera should disappear.
      6. Igmor
        Igmor 23 December 2013 18: 27
        0
        The chimera should disappear.
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 December 2013 09: 42
      10
      Oh Sash! "Intense" passions in my opinion only in the media. I don't think everything will be solved overnight. And the split of Ukraine is even more beneficial for the EU. You understand! But what is the main dirty trick. The population of Ukraine does not want this split (mostly) - these are not our marshes, which are constantly yelling "enough to feed the Caucasus". We have all the "progressive" youth and intellectuals for the disintegration of the Russian Federation. Remember the history textbook. Do you remember how the feudal fragmentation of Russia was fed to us? What they say is from a good life, Kievan Rus split into separate principalities, they say, they began to live so well that there was no point in the center. And how did it end? Kalita was an "effective" manager of that time ... I will not describe it, this is perhaps the topic of a separate article. So now it is extremely beneficial for the West and its entire civilization that the Russian world disintegrated into separate fragments, while all this is still seasoned with the national question. Let's take the same Tatarstan. When separating it from the Russian Federation (pah pah pah, God forbid) which nation will become the title nation there? And the territory, divided into separate states, fits perfectly into the consumption system built by the United States. This is their main goal. At the same time, they will tell us how we live well, then we will be under such a system ...
      We will return to Ukraine. Again, the Russian Federation is extremely unprofitable for Ukraine to break up. For this is a new round of the struggle with the West and the USA, because Russia cannot fail to get into this mess. The East will certainly want to immediately become part of the Russian Federation and so on and so forth. 7 Now we need to save Ukraine, no matter how strange it sounds. But Ukraine must now be whole and indivisible. So beneficial to both us and Ukraine ... I think so. Thoughts a lot do not fit into a comment ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 09: 52
        +8
        Quote: klimpopov
        The intensity of "passions in my opinion only in the media.

        Klim, the media are not mistaken. Imagine that this happens in Moscow and you yourself will not be in this mix.
        Quote: klimpopov
        A split in Ukraine is even more beneficial for the EU. You understand yourself!

        I already said that today.
        Quote: klimpopov
        The population of Ukraine does not want this split

        It’s just that they haven’t pushed this idea (yet). And so it’s enough to feed Bandera’s people and it has started. I’m telling you, the people in the east and in the Crimea will pick it up with a bang.
        Quote: klimpopov
        So beneficial to both us and Ukraine ... I think so.

        Horseradish knows why we need a bogeyman. Having separated east and south with Crimea is more likely to be scary for the USA. The USA will completely lose Crimea, and the EU will get the center and the West who are being fed by the South East. Industry then? So here we can’t understand what is more profitable for us the first time.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 December 2013 09: 59
          +3
          Well look. On the example of our Caucasus. Here we separate it and what we get at the borders?
          So with Bandera. There is also a certain territory with aggressively-minded militants who will be fed by the West to conduct subversive activities on the territory of the Russian Federation (it may sound funny but believe me, the scenario is most likely). Again, the enclave of Transnistria is also an unresolved issue ... So I’m sure that Ukraine should be indivisible, for now ...
          It’s just that they haven’t pushed this idea (yet). And so it’s enough to feed Bandera’s people and it has started. I’m telling you, the people in the east and in the Crimea will pick it up with a bang.

          Sasha was thrown and repeatedly, but the population is ready to simply kill the same Bandervites rather than separate them. And how many are those stubborn compared to the population of the east ...
          Klim, the media are not mistaken. Imagine that this happens in Moscow and you yourself will not be in this mix.

          Yes, not by will, everything in this batch. Remember the last Maidan? How did it end?

          I already said that today.

          Sorry. I do not claim authorship. So the correct thought. drinks
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 10: 50
            +4
            Quote: klimpopov

            Well look. On the example of our Caucasus. Here we separate it and what we get at the borders?

            And what does the Caucasus have to do with it. The Caucasus part of Russia, like Ukraine, by the way, only Ukraine is separated, separated temporarily.
            Quote: klimpopov
            So I'm sure that Ukraine should be indivisible, while ...

            Well, and what will we benefit from this, in Ukraine and in 10 years everything will be the same. And time passes and people’s brains are littering.
            Quote: klimpopov

            Sasha was thrown and repeatedly, but the population is ready to simply kill the same Bandervites rather than separate them

            Klim, every idea should have financial support and then the idea will continue. If you really swell into this loot, then believe me, this happens in a swoop.
            Quote: klimpopov
            Remember the last Maidan? How did it end?

            I’m talking about the same faces on the stage. Only this time, senators jump in arrogant. By the way, the last time Rogozin was in McKein’s place wassat
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 December 2013 10: 59
              +1
              And what does the Caucasus have to do with it. The Caucasus part of Russia, like Ukraine, by the way, only Ukraine is separated, separated temporarily.

              And what kind of bazaar goes around it? Especially ask Muscovites ... They will tell you that you don't need to feed the Caucasus (and generally build a fence or throw bombs). The Urals and Siberia are different there. There "stop feeding Moscow." And so on ...
              You can perceive it in different ways, but shit boils.
              Well, and what will we benefit from this, in Ukraine and in 10 years everything will be the same. And time passes and people’s brains are littering.

              So yes, but will Russia take out the division of Ukraine? Or will it fall on its own? That's why I wrote "BYE" ...
              Due to brain rubbing. So our brains for 20 years are so fucked up that there is nowhere more to mine ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 12: 26
                +2
                Quote: klimpopov
                Especially ask Muscovites ...

                You recommend me to ask Sobchak laughing
                Quote: klimpopov

                So yes, but will Russia take out the division of Ukraine? Or will she sprinkle herself?

                And why not, but whether the rest will be exported without the eastern one is a big question. Not only will there be no money for gas, there will be nothing to buy firewood for.
      2. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 17 December 2013 14: 16
        +1
        Quote: klimpopov
        The population of Ukraine does not want this split

        This is where you got such data. For example, I have the opposite. "Detach the Westerners, build a wall, mine approaches and ban the issuance of visas up to the tenth generation. Drown illegal aliens in the Dnieper."
    3. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 17 December 2013 10: 39
      -5
      It’s in your heads that the circus doesn’t stop)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 10: 45
        +3
        Quote: Jake Danzels
        It’s in your heads that the circus doesn’t stop)

        Why are you sitting on the site, come on Maidan, support Europe.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 December 2013 10: 49
          +1
          So maybe cold? Maybe they didn’t give money)))) By the way, we have brrrr, in the morning -15. 10 minutes of the car warmed ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 11: 24
            +1
            Quote: klimpopov
            By the way, we have brrrr, -15 in the morning. 10 minutes the car warmed up ...

            You ride a solarium wink
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 December 2013 11: 34
              +1
              Nope gasoline Korean, I just washed the car last night ...
        2. Jake danzels
          Jake danzels 17 December 2013 11: 00
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Why are you sitting on the site, come on Maidan, support Europe.

          Romanov hare to smoke "Motsgi", let someone want it and keep it from Europe, the Russian Federation or someone else, I’m on the side to their holders. I will go to the Maidan and will not go for the EU or the Russian Federation.
          By the way, Yanyka is greatly praised. He didn’t put it on the Russian Federation and Putin either.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 11: 22
            +1
            Quote: Jake Danzels
            By the way, Yanyka is greatly praised. He didn’t put it on the Russian Federation and Putin either.

            That I praise him laughing I called him here with such words that one Ukrainian filed a complaint against me to the administrator. He said that I insulted the president of a sovereign state wassat Now I am writing in the framework without touching G.
            Quote: Jake Danzels
            I’ll go to the Maidan and go not for the EU or the Russian Federation.

            And for what, it seems that the main task there is accession to the EU. It is not in vain that a bunch of European politicians hang around there, and the Americans are there too. And most importantly, you are not going to the CU or the EU, but you came to the western mass media for someone who came to the maidan? There you will become a defender of European values, whether you want it or not. A screw in a strange game.
            1. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 17 December 2013 12: 39
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And for what, there seems to be the main task of joining the EU. No wonder that a bunch of European politicians hang around there, and the Americans are there too.

              For what? Yes, against this fucking corruption, which with its tentacles crushes the throat of both Ukraine and the Russian Federation.
              I didn’t give a damn about politicians both in Western and ours, they drop ratings for themselves, in fact, like the majority on this site, although for me it’s big from Everest to ***.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And most importantly, you do not go for the CU or the EU, but in the Western media you come to maidan-who? There you will become a defender of European values, whether you want it or not. A screw in a strange game.

              So what do you suggest sitting at home and whining? Damn, everything is bad, everything is very bad. It resembles at least an ostrich, which hides its head in the sand. But people do not want to hide and do it right.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I’m praising him. I used to call him with such words that one Ukrainian filed a complaint against me to the administrator. He said that I had insulted the president of a sovereign state. Now I am writing within the framework without touching G.

              There are plenty of shell-shocked people everywhere among you and us. Yes, only the opinion (on the site) of people changes so often (it would be better if they changed their socks so often as their opinion) that you don’t understand, then Yanyk is UG, because he went to Vilnius, then Yanyk is good, because he meets with GDP. Something like this.
              1. 31231
                31231 17 December 2013 13: 44
                +1
                I didn’t give a damn about politicians both in Western and ours, they drop ratings for themselves, in fact, like the majority on this site, although for me it’s big from Everest to ***.


                Blessed, can you speak for yourself first of all, and not the majority on this site ?!
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 17 December 2013 10: 52
        +1
        Can you reasonably explain this show on the Maidan?
        1. In the book
          In the book 17 December 2013 11: 11
          0
          And why not?

          I got a family. That says it all.
          http://argumentua.com/stati/chas-rasplaty-dlya-semi-yanukovicha-vernut-pridetsya
          -vse
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 11: 23
            +1
            Quote: Libr

            I got a family. That says it all.

            Whom will you put in his place?
            1. In the book
              In the book 17 December 2013 11: 52
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Whom will you put in his place?


              It seems to me that the question "Whom should I put?" not the most important in this situation.
              It is much more important to build a state system in which it is IMPOSSIBLE to appear in the power horizon of individuals such as these.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 December 2013 11: 54
                +1
                It is much more important to build a state system in which it is IMPOSSIBLE to appear in the power horizon of individuals such as these.

                Well this is all prose. And in this particular situation it is necessary to decide.
                1. In the book
                  In the book 17 December 2013 12: 06
                  +2
                  Of course, you have to decide. I have no doubt that there are worthy people in my country.
                  It is not a fact that just any leader should be declared now, it could be a team of like-minded people, which will be a transitional stage to the formation of that government, the main requirements for which I have outlined.
                  And to change the flea, I’m sorry, I’m tired of these years.
                  It’s a shame for me as Vereshchagin ...
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 17 December 2013 12: 15
                    +1
                    And yet - what group? I would like specifics. And then you are somehow evasive.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 12: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      I would like specifics. And then you are somehow evasive.

                      Yes, he himself sees where not to throw a wedge everywhere.
                      1. 31231
                        31231 17 December 2013 13: 48
                        +1
                        Everything is simple for them: the main thing is to destroy, but they don’t even have a project for building a new one. And they don’t even assume that people will be no better than Mr. Yanyk on this vertical structure of power destroyed by themselves.
                        And they will still moan that the power is amno and they do not choose it for themselves.
                    2. In the book
                      In the book 17 December 2013 12: 31
                      +1
                      Wait and see.
                      I outlined my vision of the situation as I think.
                      I am an ordinary citizen of Ukraine, who cares about what is happening in my country.
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 17 December 2013 14: 20
                        +1
                        Good! I understood you. Let's simplify the question as much as possible.
                        Is this what the "Maidan" wants? EU? That is, what would Yanek sign everything that is needed and remove Azarov? Does Yanek himself remain in power? So?
                        Or shift the current government?
                        If the second is, imagine the situation.
                        Pan Yanek comes out to the Maidan and says: "Friends! I decided to voluntarily leave and take my entire retinue with me! Who should I give power to? Klitschko? Yatsenyuk? Who else is there?"
                        Here I am talking about. More specifically, not where.
                      2. In the book
                        In the book 17 December 2013 14: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: klimpopov
                        I understood you.

                        If you understand, then read above:
                        Quote: Libr
                        it can be a team of like-minded people, which will be a transitional stage to the formation of that government, the main requirements for which I set out.

                        Quote: klimpopov
                        Al who else is there?

                        I am sure that there will be.
                        In a transitional government, the humanitarian administrator can also be the leader, whose honesty and decency are beyond doubt.
                        Of course, my wishes may look, and they look, somewhat naive, but, because it’s also impossible to live on. After all, how much can you steal?
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 14: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Libr
                        In a transitional government, the humanitarian administrator can also be the leader, whose honesty and decency are beyond doubt.

                        But who will let him go there laughing Spiders will begin to share power and dig into each other for each post. You have your own interests, and they have their own and they do not overlap with yours hi
                        Quote: Libr
                        Of course, my wishes may look, and look, somewhat naive

                        Strongly.
                        Quote: Libr
                        but, it’s also impossible to live on. After all, how much can you steal?

                        For starters, you need to disperse those who are now on the scene of the geimaidan and throw rotten eggs of erokomisarov. And then Yanukovych topple with new people
                      4. In the book
                        In the book 17 December 2013 14: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        For starters, you need to disperse those who are now on the scene of the geimaidan and throw rotten eggs of erokomisarov. And then Yanukovych topple with new people

                        You set out the strategy of Yanukovych. Could it be you, Victor Khvoredorych? laughing
                      5. Sergh
                        Sergh 17 December 2013 18: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Libr
                        my wishes may look, and look, somewhat naive

                        You flatter yourself, my friend! Your wishes are simply absurd, moreover, they are outrageously stupid. Although according to your graphology and spelling, you are a decent person, you did not fall for the "bait" at all, or, more simply, in good cover. In short, you do not believe that (a humanities administrator, whose honesty and decency does not cause any doubts), or rather, it is generally contraindicated to believe and even dangerous to life, yes, there are more than a lot of examples!
                        I would be in your place here leaning closer to the specifics that the men are squeezing out of you, and sometimes you read and even cooler shout the hunt than:
                        Quote: klimpopov
                        From empty to empty to her God.
                        To a specific question - the answer is like a finger to the sky

                        So, say:
                        -I want Hugo Chavez, Pinochet, well, at worst ... a purple negro with a camel.
                  2. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 17 December 2013 15: 43
                    +1
                    it can be a team of like-minded people, which will be a transitional stage to the formation of that government, the main requirements for which I set out.

                    From empty to empty to her God.
                    To a specific question - the answer is like a finger into the sky.

                    Until there is a specific person or group of persons. There is nothing to talk about. Or again at random? Who will take power?
                    Idealism has not brought anyone to good (this is me as a joke)))
                  3. Jogan-xnumx
                    Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 17: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: klimpopov
                    From empty to empty to her God.
                    To a specific question - the answer is like a finger into the sky.

                    Yes, you will not wait from Maydanutyh no specific answer! laughing
                    I read your polemic here ... hi I have been interested in such answers to such questions for about 20 years now. Do you think I got at least one specific answer? request
                    They only know the words "ganba" and "get". Well, even when going to the toilet, they learned that you need to take off your pants, otherwise it will scratch when it dries up ... lol
                  4. In the book
                    In the book 17 December 2013 17: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Jogan-64
                    Yes, you will not wait from maydanutyh

                    And what words would you like to hear addressed to you, Yogan-64, after your "fabrications"?
                    Quote: Jogan-64
                    when going to the toilet, we learned that you need to remove your pants, and then it will be scratched when it dries ...

                    You have the opportunity to read all my comments, I did not allow myself to stoop to insults from my opponents. stop
                  5. Jogan-xnumx
                    Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 19: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Libr
                    And what words would you like to hear addressed to you, Yogan-64, after your "fabrications"?

                    I personally don’t want to hear anything from you, because I won’t hear anything worthwhile, and it makes no sense to listen to your demagogy. No.
                    Quote: Libr
                    .... I did not allow myself to stoop to insults from my opponents.

                    I personally have not entered into a dialogue with you at all, and I am not going to enter because of meaninglessness. You are not my opponent. You want to perceive this characteristic of Maidan demagogues as a personal insult - to your health! But I would advise you not to overestimate your opinion of yourself, but to learn to correctly comprehend what you read. hi
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 12: 29
    +2
    Quote: Libr
    It seems to me that the question "Whom should I put?" not the most important in this situation.

    Hoho, but then the meaning is in maidan itself, if there is no one to put it? Whoever comes, the people will not be pleased. Why then step twice on the same rake in 2004?
    Quote: Libr
    It is much more important to build a state system in which it is IMPOSSIBLE to appear in the power horizon of individuals such as these.

    And who will build it ??? Those who hugged McKein today, or the one who is steaming in a dungeon?
    1. In the book
      In the book 17 December 2013 12: 39
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Whoever comes, people will not be satisfied

      You will not please everyone, of course. But to reduce the number of people dissatisfied in the country through the economic development of the country and improving the well-being of the people is quite real.
      Moreover, there are examples of this:

      http://news.liga.net/articles/politics/840572-vorovat_menshe_ne_probovali_pyat_s
      tran_obuzdavshikh_korruptsiyu.htm / section5 /
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: Libr
        . But to reduce the number of people dissatisfied in the country through the economic development of the country and improving the well-being of the people is quite real.

        And what is the development? In the EU, the economy will collapse there, and if we are talking about a loan from Russia, then .......... laughing Not seriously shorter, Those who were already at the helm on the stage and what economic effect you were probably aware of.
        1. In the book
          In the book 17 December 2013 13: 39
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what is the development?

          Is this necessary for you, Alexander? Do you position yourself as a connoisseur?
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Those who were already at the helm on the stage and what economic effect were you probably aware of

          Please list, by name, who was on the stage and at the helm?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 14: 03
            +1
            Quote: Libr

            Is this necessary for you, Alexander?

            Yes, I would like to understand, and when it comes to economics, you constantly push politics.
            Quote: Libr
            Please list, by name, who was on the stage and at the helm?

            Yatsenyuk was at the helm, who was he the speaker in the parliament there and someone else there. Remind me why he was kicked out of the speakers? Klitschko was also constantly fighting nearby, he wanted to become the mayor.
          2. In the book
            In the book 17 December 2013 14: 19
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, I would like to understand, and when it comes to economics, you constantly push politics.

            Politics? Excuse me, what kind of "politics" can we talk about, we are talking about ordinary embezzlement.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yatsenyuk was at the helm, who was he the speaker in the parliament there and someone else there. Remind me why he was kicked out of the speakers? Klitschko was also constantly fighting nearby, he wanted to become the mayor.

            The style of your question and answer, namely "someone else is there" and further "remind", tells me that, to put it mildly, you are not completely aware of the track record specifically of Yatsenyuk.
            As for Klitschko, having a desire to be mayor is not the same thing as being "at the helm" in your terminology.
            And again, I repeat, so that you do not personally create the false opinion that I am here campaigning for Messrs. Yatsenyuk, Klitschko, etc., I am not their agitator.
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 14: 34
            +1
            Quote: Libr
            we are talking about ordinary embezzlement.

            Do you have those who will not steal?
            Quote: Libr

            The style of your question-answer, namely "someone else is there" and further "remind", tells me that you, to put it mildly, are not entirely aware of Yatsenyuk's track record.

            Open the Internet and there all his political life. Now it’s not a mystery.
            Quote: Libr
            And again, I repeat, so that you do not personally create the false opinion that I am here campaigning for Messrs. Yatsenyuk, Klitschko, etc., I am not their agitator.

            Yes, I understood that, I can’t understand who you want to see instead of Yanukovych.
          4. In the book
            In the book 17 December 2013 17: 09
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Do you have those who will not steal?

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, I understood that, I can’t understand who you want to see instead of Yanukovych.


            I personally is.
            I am sure that there will be in the country.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 17 December 2013 11: 36
    +5
    Yeah .. family and just something? Did the family get the EU representatives too? Or are they in share? And McCain is there sideways? Really Yanukovych managed to get it too? Then I bow ... to the family. laughing
  • ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 17 December 2013 12: 07
    +2
    In reality, a split is coming in Ukraine, which is not good, because it will be a civil war ... and the other way out, tough terror and trampling all the provocateurs and liberals in the CIA salary into the mud!
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 17 December 2013 14: 03
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In the morning there are already 4 articles for Ukraine. Maybe it’s close to the final denouement associated with the game of independence. If so, then I am FOR! It's time to stop this circus.


    The only visible ending to this game is the war, either terrorist, according to the Syrian scenario, or civil, according to the Yugoslav scenario, with the country divided by several honors, more than two it is for sure (Crimea, West, East).

    As I understand it, even if now everything peacefully stops and rapid integration begins, it turns out that there are too many people and you will not integrate all, someone will have to be tricked.

    Touch me, I have forged from West-East. Sharply put up a fence, and put Galitsaev home, led by a boxer. That will be fun ...
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 17: 42
      0
      Quote: Geisenberg
      Touch me, I have forged from West-East. Sharply put up a fence, and put Galitsaev home, led by a boxer. That will be fun ...

      good Exactly! No other outputs are observed. And to hang more wolf traps on the fence ... laughing
  • just exp
    just exp 17 December 2013 22: 39
    +1
    I generally had the opinion that Yanyk deliberately conducts his presidency badly, so that the disappointed people would ask him to reunite with Russia.
  • just exp
    just exp 17 December 2013 22: 44
    +1
    I’m wondering how Belarus will later be dragged into a single state, not in the CU, but in a single empire.
    Ukraine can be compelled by incompetent authorities; in Belarus, But father is not perfect, but better than any Ukrainian president.
    and when they unite into one empire, then there will be a single state.
    and there you look and Orthodox Russia will return
  • Skiff-2
    Skiff-2 17 December 2013 23: 13
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In the morning there are already 4 articles for Ukraine. Maybe it’s close to the final denouement associated with the game of independence. If so, then I am FOR! It's time to stop this circus.

    BEFORE THE DISCONNECTION, PLEASE FAR, BUT HOPE THIS DAY WILL COME TO HISTORY. YANUKOVICH AGREED WITH PUTIN !!! And for gas, and for shipbuilding, and for the provision of a loan of 15 billion. A MORE TODAY ANTIMAYDANE SPOKE Tsarevo And it was the first truthful speech appeal to the people of Ukraine for all the time of this EVROSHABASHA - plain and simple REMINDS who approach us with the sword come (to EUROINTEGRATION) AND WHO WE sword exempt from malicious and thieving perverts EUROPE. On behalf of the whole sane people of Ukraine, an appeal was made to Yanukovych to impose a constitutional order and to bring to criminal responsibility the change of the motherland who organized this. HOPE THAT TODAY WE SAW THE FUTURE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE FOR WHICH WE WILL NOT BE ashamed.
  • AVV
    AVV 18 December 2013 01: 46
    +1
    What’s most interesting, if Ukraine is Eurointegrating, Goodbye will have to say that the independence, because the West will not tolerate a buzz, and will set some conditions for others, and then where will this independence be? So, what is the choice for the people! What does he want to make a final decision or work tirelessly, pulling the economy out of the quagmire ??? Russia has already taken the first step towards meeting, lowered the price of gas !!! That is, not in words, but in fact has supported the independent, now we need retaliatory steps, otherwise everything will be useless !!!
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 17 December 2013 08: 08
    +1
    Where did the Rothschild's regal regalia come from? A bunch of ballots in theory should shake ...
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 17 December 2013 08: 16
    10
    The circus in Ukraine lasts about 20 years, then escalating, then calming down. And along the way it never ends. The only way out is an early unification with Russia.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 08: 30
      +7
      Quote: Jamal
      . The only way out is an early unification with Russia.

      That’s these words, somebody said on geimaidan wassat
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 17 December 2013 09: 32
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        That’s these words, somebody said on geimaidan

        No, these words must be said in the ears of the Russian government. 20 million Russians in Ukraine live already more than 000 !!!! years in the occupation, and our state has nothing to do with it.
        This is not an order.
        Vish is like, the Statue to Lenin the Gutsuls do not like, but the borders that he drew for them in their hearts!
        Stalin organized the famine and annexed the Carpathians, the BLOODY TYRAN to Ukraine!
        Well, there's nothing to be done about it, this is a diagnosis, a split consciousness, a sign of schizophrenia.
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 17 December 2013 19: 24
          +1
          Quote: ATATA
          occupation, and our state has nothing to do with it

          Yes, they need to weigh good duley, and then repeat it in a week or two. They completely lost the scent, especially this Ukrainian fighter, a brawler or a brawler (I don’t remember how to correctly), openly with amers in a half-squat. What is his dual citizenship and gay cover presidency? A shame!
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 17 December 2013 20: 57
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          Well, there's nothing to be done about it, this is a diagnosis, a split consciousness, a sign of schizophrenia.

          Moreover! They are SURE that we will join the EU - so the Europeans will not let Yanukovych and the family steal! laughing
          And at the same time -
          The presidential election in Ukraine should be held in March 2014, that is, a year earlier than the constitutional deadline. About this, as UNIAN reports, said the leader of the opposition party UDAR Vitali Klitschko.
          “We know that today the only way out of the political crisis the country is in is early parliamentary and presidential elections,” he emphasized. The current head of state, Viktor Yanukovych, according to Klitschko, previously claimed that he was not afraid of such a development of events. “So let him prove it in fair elections,” the opposition summed up.
          http://www.versii.com/news/293593/
          XXXX
          Oh how he can’t wait! It’s only painful that he relies on Maidan and Europe!
          So, now the elections have been additional in the VR. So what? Only 1 passed from the oppa, and 4 from the "majority" !!! Of course, the opposition is shouting "falsifications! But observers from PACE say" everything was right, the elections are legitimate! "
      2. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 19 December 2013 13: 53
        0
        Then it would be better to postpone the loan so that the "zapadentsy" repay debts for themselves.
      3. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 19 December 2013 13: 53
        0
        Then it would be better to postpone the loan so that the "zapadentsy" repay debts for themselves.
    2. askort154
      askort154 17 December 2013 08: 36
      +8
      Jamal .... The only way out is a speedy unification with Russia.

      Western Ukraine will not join Russia bloodlessly. The best option is the peaceful collapse of Ukraine to the west and east. Then the east, through a referendum, will join Russia. So, still ahead.
      1. pahom54
        pahom54 17 December 2013 09: 14
        +8
        for askort154
        In general, I agree with you ... He served at one time (12 years) in Western Ukraine (70 - 80 years), there and then openly did not want to be part of the USSR, and were divided into East and Westerners, that is Westerners of the eastern (Russian-speaking) were not even considered Ukrainians. After the collapse of the USSR, this problem worsened ...
        Only in vain do they (Westerners) think that under Poland or in the European Union they will feel better ... In particular, the Poles always considered them cattle, working cattle, and they forgot it ... It’s a pity, of course, if the Slavic state breaks up, but if the eastern half will join Russia - it will be beneficial to both Russia and Russia on all sides.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 09: 16
        +3
        Quote: askort154
        Western Ukraine will not join Russia bloodlessly.

        And to hell with them, it’s time to finish what we didn’t do in due time.
  • makarov
    makarov 17 December 2013 08: 17
    +9
    There is in every moral system
    common to all:
    you cannot be with both those and those
    without betraying those and those.
    И.Г.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 17 December 2013 08: 32
    +3
    It will burn on his forehead: I am really a scammer.

    The EU is really a scam. This is already understood in almost all East European countries who managed to get into it.
    And I noticed that the EU is the same MMM pyramid. Those who receive everything from above, those who hear words from below: Lie still and don’t twitch, you still have no place to go.
  • Sanyht
    Sanyht 17 December 2013 08: 32
    +5
    the country of VORIA and the MORODEROV should stop ... and all these Kravchuchki, Kukuchki, Yushchy and the like disappear! got everyone and destroyed the country ...?
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 17 December 2013 11: 39
      +3
      Right brother! yes
  • Igor39
    Igor39 17 December 2013 08: 35
    +4
    Long live free Ukraine! Senator McCain shouted on the Maidan ... laughing
  • La-5
    La-5 17 December 2013 08: 37
    +4
    “In connection with Vilnius, the greatest hatred of the European Union is, perhaps, not President Yanukovych, but Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, who stands behind him, so the resignation of the Azarov government is the main demand of the opposition Klitschko-Yatsenyuk-Tyagnybok. Indeed, Azarov’s policy towards the European Union is distinguished by particular cynicism : he stands for the European integration of Ukraine on "fair terms".

    No, what's it like? An idealist, or worse? The great Putin cannot get from “Europe” mutually beneficial conditions for Russia, everything is butting with it for the “third energy package”, and Ukraine, lying on its side, demands “justice”! This is arrogance with a break-in, so Euroboxer Klitschko does not get tired of repeating the resignation of the Azarov government. "- the whole point of Euromaidan.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 17 December 2013 09: 02
      +2
      I also wanted to note these words, he certainly knows about all the consequences. I watched an interview with him about the pros and cons of the Euroassociation. It was evident that he (yes like that) was inconvenient to talk about ephemeral pluses. I think it’s just a mindset, a person sees himself from the side and thinks what nonsense I’m talking about. Just fulfills a political order.
  • Running
    Running 17 December 2013 08: 52
    +2
    This circus, from Belovezhskaya Pushcha to the present day, ends. The fact that at the moment Ukraine cannot feed itself without integration with Russia is a fact. And it’s dangerous to get involved with the EU, they like to finish the already not strong economies. They would go better to work than on Euromaidan, don’t understand what to speak for!
  • Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 17 December 2013 08: 58
    0
    I repeat again, I'm for Anschluss 2.0
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 09: 16
      0
      Quote: Ivan Petrovich
      I repeat again, I'm for Anschluss 2.0

      How's that?
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 17 December 2013 10: 45
        +1
        just enter the troops
        Eastern Ukraine to Russia, and the West ... in general, they are not ours in spirit
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 December 2013 11: 22
          +1
          Eco, everything is simple with you. fellow
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 11: 27
          +2
          Quote: Ivan Petrovich
          just enter the troops
          eastern Ukraine to rf

          What for? And who called us there with tanks?
        3. 31231
          31231 17 December 2013 12: 41
          0
          Maybe at first you’ll go there and go in ?! And then such Buonapartes offered to enter Syria.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 17 December 2013 09: 18
    -1
    Something will happen today after the meeting between Yanukovych and Putin, the Maidan people said that Yanukovych couldn’t sign anything from Ukraine, that it wouldn’t be boring during the winter holidays. I really want that if the divorce happens, it would cost everything peacefully with the mutual consent of the parties.
    1. saag
      saag 17 December 2013 09: 30
      +1
      symbolism however, it turns out in the case of such a split, the western part resembles Africa, eastern south America :-)
      1. kirgudu
        kirgudu 17 December 2013 10: 21
        +1
        Yes, Ukraine is now a Banana Republic.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 17 December 2013 09: 25
    +4
    Well, a Klitschko may become that sacred sacrifice, but in general porridge is certainly not weak brewed, God forbid frosts of Ukraine -30 not a couple of weeks, maybe they themselves will creep away.
  • leks
    leks 17 December 2013 09: 36
    +3
    I don’t understand how you can rush about from west to east, from east to west like an alcoholic drunk for Europe, sobering up, realizing that he was drunk, he was fleeing to Russia saying help with money.
    Tales told the whole people about the rivers of milk and the sour banks in Europe, and now they are shouting that it is not profitable, what they thought before, or you could not translate the text before the date of signing in Vilnius.
    I remember that they took an interview from Azarov on one channel of Russia, 24 it seemed, he himself said that the signing of an agreement with Europe was beneficial for our country and we would not lose anything, we all figured out, now he says something completely different, no logics, no analysis of events, they do not calculate their steps forward many steps.
  • lukke
    lukke 17 December 2013 09: 36
    +1
    Even assuming a nightmare scenario for the separation of Ukraine, I’m immediately interested in what will happen to Kiev? Where will he go? After all, it has both supporters and opponents of European integration. And not only in it - in some eastern regions there is also enough. Will citizens be able to disperse peacefully? In general, I can’t even imagine how it will be, but ordinary citizens will not be laughing for twenty years.
    1. washi
      washi 17 December 2013 11: 57
      0
      Quote: lukke
      Even assuming a nightmare scenario for the separation of Ukraine, I’m immediately interested in what will happen to Kiev?

      They will vote at home, draw borders and hang out appropriate flags.
  • leks
    leks 17 December 2013 09: 48
    +1
    BBC News
    03:17
    For the sake of politics, Vitali Klitschko refused the world title
    According to the agency, Klitschko is leaving big boxing to focus all his attention on Ukrainian politics. The boxer is the leader of the UDAR opposition party. The World Boxing Council has already announced that Klitschko is being awarded the title of "Honorary Champion".
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 17 December 2013 09: 52
    +4
    The campaign in Ukraine even forgot about the New Year’s debate with Russia on gas, so loved by everyone. Or not before?
    The West has already put its dogs on the Maidan, they will only warm up the situation, and their goals are already visible, is it not time for Russia to put forward its proposals? Syria famously happened, can we really help the fraternal people?
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 December 2013 10: 23
    0
    Everything would be over as soon as possible, otherwise this uncertainty would have bothered me, "it would be better to have a terrible end than horror without end," you need to define your policy towards Ukraine, which has chosen one side or the other.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 17 December 2013 10: 33
    +4
    Quote: Igor39
    Long live free Ukraine! Senator McCain shouted on the Maidan ... laughing

    We need to drink them all and smash everyone’s faces, and in the morning tell everyone that it’s they themselves ..... each other, no more dogs show their nose here am
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 December 2013 10: 46
      +2
      You only do not drink the Ukrainians. And they will remember Kiev, the father of Russian cities, and the heroes of Chernigov ... they will tie these senators to a tree in the forest and forget where ... there will be a scandal ... wink
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 17 December 2013 11: 28
      +2
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      We need to drink them all and smash everyone’s face,

      You don’t have to beat the face - it’s too much honor, but to drink it is a good idea, only to drink with purgen ....
  • tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 17 December 2013 11: 03
    +3
    Anschluss, you say? will not work. only after the Zapadensky ballast breaks off. There is nothing to him, only they drink blood. and then concentrate an expander near the borders. Let me get nervous.
  • tasey
    tasey 17 December 2013 11: 29
    +1
    I repeat once again - along the Dnieper and the Crimea. "Zapadentsy", if they want the streets of revenge in Europe, hay them ... And the East and the Crimea - let them develop in the ascending order, they do not have to be de jure in the Russian Federation. Klitschko? - get so many "turnips", how many "gray" ones will remain alive in the head?
  • Lelek
    Lelek 17 December 2013 11: 35
    +4
    Maidan in translation into English is KETCH (scuffle). Poland, Lithuania and Hungary are rubbing their naughty little hands, shaking with the desire to grab a piece from the big Ukraine and become GREAT powers, not closetovers, as it is now. And as for Yanukovych, everyone who tried to stand with one foot here and the other there got in-between (for tomatoes). bully
  • wk-083
    wk-083 17 December 2013 12: 01
    +1
    Euromaidan bunch of homeless people and loafers, turned Kiev into a toilet!
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 December 2013 12: 01
    +1
    Euromaidan, it’s enough already to plump on the ball, otherwise all the European evacuators will soon officially abandon alcoholics, the same number of youngsters have already put dope on a glass.
  • netMolotov
    netMolotov 17 December 2013 12: 21
    0
    I would like to add a fly in the ointment against the background of expectations by many Russians of a split in Ukraine. Tell me - what do you think - Ukraine, deprived of Donbass and Crimea, will become more loyal to Russia? Or will the Poles and the Balts, against the backdrop of this hypothetical Ukraine, seem just bosom friends? In what time do you think this "Ukraine" will become a NATO member and will deploy American bases and missiles on its territory? One question - do you need it?
    1. askort154
      askort154 17 December 2013 13: 03
      +2
      netMolotov .... I would like to add a fly in the ointment amid the expectations of many Russians to split Ukraine. Tell me - what do you think - Ukraine deprived of the Donbass and the Crimea - will become more loyal to Russia? ... One question, do you need it?

      Oh, I forgot something. Remember, please, when: Western Ukraine, Poland, and the whole Baltic States, were loyal to Russia? .. thanks, I understand. Don’t remember the same! As for NATO, Ukraine will definitely be there as soon as it’s not in the CU, but under the EU’s wing. Do you really think that the West is pulling your ears into the EU association to give you a large spoon and a place in a barrel of honey?
      The West needs Ukraine, as another fort post, against Russia. Ukrainians are Westerners,
      stubbornly pulling Ukraine into a mousetrap with cheese. I hope that the Easterners understand this,
      and stop in time in front of the mousetrap. The main thing, that would be, without blood. ONE QUESTION - DO IT YOU NEED?
      1. netMolotov
        netMolotov 17 December 2013 13: 21
        +1
        askort154- I hope that the Easterners understand this,
        and stop in time in front of the mousetrap. The main thing is that without blood.

        Sorry, but you still do not understand my idea. As long as Crimea and the East are part of Ukraine, this will prevent Ukraine from slipping into extremely anti-Russian positions. Otherwise, there will be no one to stop the tyneboks rushing to power!
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 18: 05
          +2
          Quote: netMolotov
          As long as Crimea and the East are part of Ukraine, this will prevent Ukraine from slipping into extremely anti-Russian positions. Otherwise, there will be no one to stop the tyneboks rushing to power!

          You probably did not understand this. As long as Galychina is part of Ukraine, there will be no end to turmoil. Only they always stood in anti-Russian positions. And they will remain on those. Tyagnybok let tear to power ..., at home. And what the hell should the rest of Ukraine act as a buffer-guard against these Galitsa? If they continue to be part of Ukraine, they will always try to persuade ALL Ukraine to anti-Russian positions, and the tyneboks will always be eager for power in ALL of Ukraine.
          One question - do we need it?
  • TAGIR
    TAGIR 17 December 2013 12: 33
    +2
    Tell me which country was peacefully divided into two halves except Czechoslovakia. All countries fell into a civil war, which allowed one side to separate from the other on ideological grounds. The East will live without the western part, so the inhabitants will not want to fight. But zapadentsy will not survive without an east, so they will gnaw at everybody for a single country. Once the president lacks the courage and firmness to say no to European integration, and finally disperse this bunch in the center of the capital ...
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 17 December 2013 12: 58
    +1
    Sooner or later, Yanukovych will have to use force if he is to be a real state LEADER, in spite of all the consequences in the future, to prevent the state from rolling into the HAUS and from splitting.
    1. In the book
      In the book 17 December 2013 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: Turkestan
      Sooner or later, Yanukovych will have to use force if he is a real state LEADER to keep the state from rolling into the HAUS and from splitting

      laughing LEADER? Yes, only an organized crime leader
    2. Maxsh
      Maxsh 17 December 2013 13: 33
      +1
      Yeah, and immediately "Violation of human rights and freedoms ... Strangulation of democracy" "They" just need this ...
  • Stinger
    Stinger 17 December 2013 13: 04
    0
    Those. according to the author, it turns out that the EU was getting so dark that Azarov and Yanukovych found themselves only in Vilnius, “when so much dirty integration linen was discovered that was publicly examined”? So what? And it’s not more accurate to assume that after a transparent hint of Russia, how this will end, not the EU, but someone else had the idea that “The Secret has become apparent too soon!” and "He will burn on his forehead: I'm really a scammer"? Maybe "the only unifying figure in Ukraine today, any kind", finally decided to replace the trident with a two-headed golden cock on a weather vane. Oriented to the west, depending on the ratio of the euro-ruble.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      17 December 2013 13: 42
      +2
      Politics, in general, is a dark matter. But Yanukovych’s demarche in Vilnius is a fact. Perhaps Putin helped him to see his sight, perhaps Yanukovych has a feeling of pity for the Ukrainian people, in spite of everything he has experienced. European integration is indeed a loop for Ukraine, it’s also a fact. Just look at the fate of Bulgaria, Hungary, even the Czech Republic, where its citizens, and former oligarchs, have become nothing and nothing.
      1. In the book
        In the book 17 December 2013 13: 46
        +1
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        perhaps Yanukovych has a feeling of pity for the Ukrainian people

        Victor, do you have a feeling of pity for the chicken whose meat you eat? Or to potatoes?
        So that's exactly what Yanukovych thinks.
      2. oaziss
        oaziss 17 December 2013 15: 52
        0
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        It is enough to look at the fate of Bulgaria, Hungary, even the Czech Republic, where its citizens, and former oligarchs, have become nothing and nobody.

        Hmm, but your Russian officials successfully settle in Europe, buying real estate there, resting there, storing loot, treating and educating their children and grandchildren. And you, ordinary inhabitants, scare horror stories about geyevropa. Agree that this somehow does not fit, is not it?
        As an example, the first offhand
        http://www.forbes.ru/news/248805-krasnoyarskogo-gubernatora-ograbili-na-ego-vill
        e-na-lazurnom-beregu
        Pay attention to the real estate in France of this patriot of Russia.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 17 December 2013 13: 08
    +2
    Quote: Igor39
    Long live free Ukraine! Senator McCain shouted on the Maidan ... laughing

    He's probably about MYSELF! so that such as HE (Klitschko, etc.) are dumped from there!
    And KLITCHKO would not hurt at all- JUST it’s extraordinary to get into the accident!
  • santush
    santush 17 December 2013 13: 46
    +1
    It seems to me that the President of Ukraine needs to steer in the direction where it is more profitable for the country (in the CU) and spit on the protests of the EU and the USA, and public order violators to a strict answer! What is there to fear? You have the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine If the GKChP were more decisive, then the USSR would not have collapsed, and those guilty of its collapse would have been remembered who was what. And so Kravchuk crawls on Ukrainian TV all the time, Gorbachev too. They simply wouldn’t be, because for betraying the homeland in The USSR was the highest measure!
    1. General Ermolov
      General Ermolov 17 December 2013 16: 24
      +1
      President of Ukraine
      taxis only one way
      where his owners will point him
      and the money is not in Ukraine or Russia
      and in the West, and production is focused on Russia
      here is Yanyk and trying to sit on two chairs
      he finally undermined his authority and the party
      all over Ukraine
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 17 December 2013 17: 50
      0
      Quote: santush
      You have in your hands the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the SBU.

      And if the SBU is in other hands?
      This picture has been "walking on the net" for a long time, but I will explain:
      US Ambassador to Ukraine presents epaulettes to SBU Academy graduates ...
      This happened under Victor the First (Pupyrchaty), and where is the guarantee that the SBU is not under US control ???
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 18 December 2013 08: 43
        +2
        save this picture for posterity in the heading "shameful". yes
  • gen-48
    gen-48 17 December 2013 15: 08
    +1
    Everyone is familiar with the slogan - "Every cook must be able to run the state." And here, not the cook, but two from the casket, are identical from the face (just like in the cartoon - Yanukovych: “What do you want to rule without me?” Boxing brothers: “Aha.” Only to govern the country is not to amuse the audience in the ring, and Negroes to massage the liver. Moreover, every missed blow to the head is a small concussion. Klitschko seems to have no more than the bone one. He works out Eurogrants regularly, but he will go into oblivion. Russia has almost gotten sick with this, I would like to believe.
    1. netMolotov
      netMolotov 17 December 2013 16: 39
      0
      gen-48- Yanukovych: Do you want to rule without me? ”Brothers-boxers:“ Aha ”.

      Not so. Yanukovych: - Will you take off my hats and place in my place? I think it’s better to have a prezik cook than a gopnik.
  • netMolotov
    netMolotov 17 December 2013 15: 14
    0
    santush- The President of Ukraine, it seems to me, needs to steer in the direction where it is more profitable for the country (in the CU) and do not care about the EU and US protests,

    Sorry dear santush - now in Ukraine 40 million people can’t decide where to steer and only you know everything for sure - you are not the Lord God all-knowing case. Or is there only your opinion in this world, and everything else from the evil one?
    1. General Ermolov
      General Ermolov 17 December 2013 16: 25
      +1
      and who is guided by the interests of the country and people?
      take off the pink glasses
    2. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 18: 13
      +1
      Quote: netMolotov
      ... now in Ukraine 40 million people cannot decide where to steer ...

      Do not dissemble! This is decided by an ordinary referendum, and not by a chaotic mess. Just then, 40 million and decide where they steer ...
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 17 December 2013 15: 34
    0
    Pressure from Europe, Russia and the trust of the people !!!! Yanukovych, as a bad dancer, does not know what decision to take, thinking more about his own interests and those of the close oligarchs, the people of the country do not count! This is a president who promised a lot and didn’t do anything! In principle, there are three before him!
  • garlik
    garlik 17 December 2013 15: 53
    +1
    "Say what you like, but President Viktor Yanukovych is the only unifying figure in Ukraine today, no one. There is no successor to his policy, therefore, with his overthrow after early elections, Ukraine will disintegrate by itself, at least into the West and the East, in a natural way." - this is an erroneous opinion. Unfortunately, the East is not united. After the victory of the Westerners, the East will fall under them belay
    1. General Ermolov
      General Ermolov 17 December 2013 16: 26
      +1
      the east will not fall under anyone
      but the civilian is guaranteed
  • asin
    asin 17 December 2013 15: 56
    -1
    Reading your comments and watching the so-called "news" of your channels, I'm just shocked. This is sheer nonsense of people who understand absolutely nothing about the situation in Ukraine and use info from your "independent and honest" news. It is thanks to Yanyk, this boor and hat-stealer that we have such a catastrophic situation that we need to go somewhere, either to the EU or to the Customs Union, and hope for financial injections. almost everything has been stolen. Very soon there will be no money even for retirement. So the longer this bandit, together with his Downets gang, will "lead" the country, the worse the situation will be. And Putin only needs to control Ukraine and not let the West in here, i.e. geopolitical goals. And he deeply does not care about us ordinary people.
    1. General Ermolov
      General Ermolov 17 December 2013 16: 27
      +3
      do you think Klitschko or Yatsenyuk do not care?
      1. asin
        asin 17 December 2013 22: 11
        0
        But there was no such thief like these yet and I think it will not, they broke all records.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 17 December 2013 17: 39
      +4
      Quote: asin
      Thanks to Yanyk, this boor and hijacking, we have such a disastrous situation that we need to go somewhere, either in the EU or the CU, and hope for financial injections, because almost everything was stolen. Very soon there will be no money even in retirement.

      And after the "First Pomerancheva", under the power of Pimple, was it different?
      And do not remind, by chance, where did the money go from the "reprevatization" of "Krivorozhstal" during this period?

      Yes, Yanukovych is a BOP and a HAM, but the trouble is that ALL who come to power in Ukraine are STEALING, and at the same time it is godless.
      As if anticipating the precarious position of "Independence" and its collapse.
      They steal SO, as if they could not breathe before death.

      But you can’t breathe ...
      1. asin
        asin 17 December 2013 22: 30
        0
        They stole under Yushchenko, but the rate of theft was much lower. From a son-dentist (Alexander Yanukovich) in 2 years to make a billionaire, and this is official. And unofficially, how much they stole is scary to imagine.
    3. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: asin
      Thanks to Yanyk, this boor and hijackers, we have such a disastrous situation that we need to go somewhere, either in the EU or the CU, and hope for financial injections, because almost everything was stolen.

      And before Yanyk nobody stole anything ... laughing Yushchenko with his "dear friends", or Kuchma with his son-in-law - "holy" protectors for the good of the people ... lol Where have you been before?
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 17 December 2013 20: 01
        +1
        Quote: asin
        Putin only needs to control Ukraine and not let the West go here

        Quite right, but what for us their rotten pork and chicken, smelly snickers, we have our own "bear in the north" tastier. As well as the West does not allow Putin to come. You need to grow your REPKA, not drag it to the Urals and Dutch Siberia!
  • Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 17 December 2013 16: 11
    +1
    By God, stop hysteria! Everything will be normal, Yanyk certainly will not win the next election, BUT America comrade Putin will beat. Here, mark my word. The rioters will get tired, the Hebrews and the Americans will spend money on absolutely illegal actions within a sovereign country. I’m going to beat the woes, by March they will forget about these riots. The crisis will excite everyone. Who joins the argument?
    1. saag
      saag 17 December 2013 17: 05
      +2
      In spring there will be spring aggravation, they will again litter the Maidan, though in the warm sun all these miasms will carry far :-)
  • netMolotov
    netMolotov 17 December 2013 16: 12
    -2
    Lesorub- Pressure from Europe, Russia and the trust of the people !!!!

    In order to win a dispute with the EU over Ukraine, Russia must abandon the role of Abdullah offering Ukraine the place of his beloved younger wife in the harem. And focus on what Russia will be useful to Ukraine, and not vice versa. And in general, as a joke: a hundred percent option - the TS should announce its accession to Ukraine. Ha - let them try to refuse!
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 17 December 2013 20: 16
      0
      Quote: netMolotov
      And focus on what Russia will be useful to Ukraine, and not vice versa.

      Fish, but didn’t you cheat?
      Quote: netMolotov
      TS should announce its accession to Ukraine

      It seems that right on your Maidan Faberge eggs are collected from the Christmas tree every month and taken to Adis Ababa to be disposed of as unnecessary.
      The last horseradish without salt is eaten up, but all the same ...
  • General Ermolov
    General Ermolov 17 December 2013 16: 14
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In the morning there are already 4 articles for Ukraine. Maybe it’s close to the final denouement associated with the game of independence. If so, then I am FOR! It's time to stop this circus.

    Ukraine has never been united
    whoever said that
    The West both impoverished in the 39th year with Ukraine, and problems went
    for more than 70 years, the Westerners have done more for the collapse of the country and the mutual hatred of the West and the East, more than anyone else
    therefore, the division of Ukraine is only a matter of time

    Also, some here express the opinion that everyone should take to the streets
    and tell me who to marry? rating of Yanukovych and Regions below the plinth
    ride on the Maidan for their hard-earned money (and government employees receive a maximum of UAH 2000 a month no one will)
    or are you suggesting that workers in factories and factories quit their jobs, completely undermine the country's economy and leave their families starving?

    very clever to reason for a couple of thousand kilometers in another country
    and you come here and see for yourself
    in the news will not show the truth, not those not others
  • saag
    saag 17 December 2013 17: 01
    +1
    Quote: General Ermolov
    and tell me who to marry?

    Here is the slogan - "Let's build Europe in our own country" :-)
  • General Ermolov
    General Ermolov 17 December 2013 17: 25
    0
    Quote: saag
    Quote: General Ermolov
    and tell me who to marry?

    Here is the slogan - "Let's build Europe in our own country" :-)

    my slogan
    For Russia, one and indivisible
    but now get involved in Russia where the issue with the Caucasians is acute
    nobody wants
  • Petrhabra
    Petrhabra 17 December 2013 18: 14
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Why should VVP be "McCain"? That in Russia there are no other political leaders of lesser rank at the McCain level who would work out Russia's position in Ukraine?

    That's right, send Valuev to Hohland ... I think he can explain the nickname "xy from xy"
  • voliador
    voliador 17 December 2013 18: 40
    +1
    Klitschko has already put forward these requirements of the European Union on behalf of Euromaidan. And who is he after that?

    Nicknames for a long time do not think about their country, they are long gayropeytsy. So it is not surprising that he sang with such a paranoid-fascist element as Tyagnibok.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 19: 19
    0
    FACE MAIDAN:
  • alone
    alone 17 December 2013 19: 57
    +1
    To wish a split and a civil war for the people who are called fraternal Slavic here is disgusting and disgusting. People, change your mind! Do you need Syria at your borders?
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 18 December 2013 00: 46
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      To wish a split and a civil war for the people who are called fraternal Slavic here is vile and disgusting.

      Let's say that not all the people in Ukraine are fraternal for Russia. How about the Galychan people who are equal to the "exploits" of the 14th SS Waffendivision "Galychin"?
  • konvalval
    konvalval 17 December 2013 20: 01
    0
    Quote: asin
    Reading your comments and watching the so-called "news" of your channels, I'm just shocked. This is sheer nonsense of people who understand absolutely nothing about the situation in Ukraine and use info from your "independent and honest" news. It is thanks to Yanyk, this boor and hat-stealer that we have such a catastrophic situation that we need to go somewhere, either to the EU or to the Customs Union, and hope for financial injections. almost everything has been stolen. Very soon there will be no money even for retirement. So the longer this bandit, together with his Downets gang, will "lead" the country, the worse the situation will be. And Putin only needs to control Ukraine and not let the West in here, i.e. geopolitical goals. And he deeply does not care about us ordinary people.

    Well, if you understand the situation in Ukraine
    why did you choose Yanukovych?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 December 2013 21: 04
      +1
      Quote: konvalval
      why did you choose Yanukovych?

      Because the thief-Julia was even worse!
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 17 December 2013 21: 09
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Because the thief-Julia was even worse!

        Paraphrasing your words, we can conclude - of the two evils chose the least.
        Good evening, dear Elena. hi
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 17 December 2013 21: 49
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          of the two evils, the smallest was chosen.

          That's right!
          Good evening Apollo!
          And really good against the background of the latest agreements in the Russian Federation!
          Ukraine and Russia have concluded an agreement "on joint actions" for the construction of a bridge across the Kerch Strait. The corresponding document was signed following a meeting of the Russian-Ukrainian interstate commission in Moscow, Interfax reports.

          On December 11, the corresponding draft agreement was supported by the Ukrainian government. Meanwhile, as it became known to "Transport Business", the document was not agreed with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic, where they refused to discuss the project until the border in the Kerch Strait between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was determined.

          The passage through the Kerch Strait was first built in 1944, but a year later it was destroyed by winter storms. In Soviet times, they did not begin to restore it. The idea of ​​building a new bridge that would shorten the route from Ukrainian Kherson to Novorossiysk by 450 kilometers began to be actively discussed only in the 1990s (it, in particular, was promoted by Yuri Luzhkov, who was then mayor of Moscow).

          All this time, the governments of Russia and Ukraine periodically made attempts to draw up the necessary agreements. In 2010, the contract for the construction of the bridge was signed by then-President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev and his Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovych. During their meeting (at the Russian-Ukrainian interregional forum in Gelendzhik), a model of the passage through the Kerch Strait was 4,2 km long and worth 24 billion rubles.
        2. asin
          asin 17 December 2013 22: 23
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          Yulia was just much better, she at least listened to the dissatisfied among the people when adopting unpopular laws and decrees and could "drive off" back. And this rod is like on a tank and the opinion of people does not interest them at all. And in theft, the Downbass members surpassed everyone by several orders of magnitude. And at the expense of voting, I, by virtue of my thinking, well could not vote for this hat thief. But the degenerates who voted for this "professor" were found half of the country.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 18 December 2013 14: 57
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            Quote: asin
            But the degenerates who voted for this "professor" were found half of the country.

            Right! And the other half-country of degenerates tried to put an outright scammer into the presidency, who had long been in prison for crying.
  • konvalval
    konvalval 17 December 2013 20: 11
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    No matter how Yanukovych befalls Gorbachev’s fate.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 December 2013 21: 53
      +1
      Quote: konvalval
      No matter how Yanukovych befalls Gorbachev’s fate.

      Nope! Then he received an "offer" from Klitschko!
      The leader of "BLOW" Vitali Klitschko called in the ring President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. He voiced his statement in Kiev at the People’s Chamber. This was reported by the polemic correspondent. “I want to say that he is my personal rival, and I challenge him to the ring,” Recall that Klitschko from the Maidan scene said that Yanukovych laid the Ukrainian GTS to Russia.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133918.html
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 18 December 2013 15: 01
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        Quote: Egoza
        “I want to say that he is my personal rival, and I challenge him to the ring”

        Well, yes, this moron is not capable of anything else ... laughing
  • I think so
    I think so 17 December 2013 20: 19
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    A strange question in the title ... And what is YANUKOVICH PRESIDENT? According to recent events, THIS cannot be called the PRESIDENT ...
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 17 December 2013 21: 19
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    The author is fully rights. But I’m afraid that if Yanukovych does slip by now, no elections will unite Ukraine!
    How to combine it !? What an idea !?
    Western Ukraine - infected with Russophobia to the bone, eastern Ukraine - gravitates to Russia.
    Western Ukraine has nothing to lose especially - there is Eastern! That pull in different directions.
    But Ukraine will split up, nothing good can be expected. If only a concrete wall in 5m was set up from a Westernized infection!

    The situation is stalemate, to be honest ....
  • Egoza
    Egoza 17 December 2013 21: 56
    +1
    Quote: netMolotov
    As long as Crimea and the East are part of Ukraine, this will prevent Ukraine from slipping into extremely anti-Russian positions.

    That's it! Today a "new idea" was thrown to the Maidan - "We are against the TS". And in Sevastopol there was a meeting of the opposite kind. And clear calls - If an agreement is signed with the EU, then Sevastopol-Crimea-Russia.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 17 December 2013 22: 01
    +1
    The situation in Little Russia is nowhere worse. A split within a society that has never been single, and as a consequence of this, the threat of the collapse of an amorphous territorial entity. Alas, Little Russians, not the first time, give the right to write their History to strangers.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 18 December 2013 01: 36
    +2
    Hurry that this square squalor fell apart into pieces! Crimea would have gone to Russia, the Westerners to Poland, they would quickly teach any Farion and Tygnybokov from which end to gnaw a radish in a gruel: barked another square "Glory to Ukraine!" and for 10 years in the mines of Silesia it raises the GDP of such a sweet European Union ... The southeast, if not everyone has run wild there, will also return to Russia, and the center will be marked, having received "Ruin" No. 2, like in the 17th century, it will be forgotten about freedom and independence, and zinks bulging with zeal will sing the anthem of the USSR: "The unbreakable union ..." that's just not "free republics", but the Russian provinces ...
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 18 December 2013 15: 04
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      Quote: nnz226
      Hurry, this independent squalor would fall apart!

      good good good drinks