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Personnel policy, discipline and education in the Navy of the USSR 1970х on the example of 10 dipl

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Personnel policy, discipline and education in the Navy of the USSR 1970х on the example of 10 diplTo begin, I will give a few examples, and then I will try to present my opinion on this issue.


After returning to base, May 19, 1977 at flotilla Admiral Smirnov N.I. On the same day, he called me to talk in connection with my forthcoming appointment as the commander of 1 diplomatic missions. He asked a few questions, and then said: "I have known you for a long time, starting from the Baltic Sea, your service went well. I looked at my track record." Then he was silent for a moment and asked: "Why were you called Alfred?" I explained that my mother so desired, she is Latvian by nationality and wanted to give her son a Latvian name. After this, the admiral said: "Consider that I talked with you, I agree with your appointment, which I will report to the Navy Civil Code."

Shestak in the crew is very bad with discipline. Two of his midshipman fought with his wives, got to the guardhouse. One midshipman flotilla commander, Vice Admiral B.I. Gromov. ordered to demobilize. He had a report where he asked not to demobilize this midshipman, since before that he served normally, was a good man. The commander answered me: “Yes, he is a good man, but he is no longer a man on family ground. Here, recently, a captain hung himself on a birch base on a birch because of family turmoil, he was also a good man. And he may hang himself. ". I did not have time to come to headquarters, as I was told that another midshipman from Shestak had a fight with his wife and was sitting in the guardhouse.

Officers gathered, where Admiral Smirnov told how a nuclear submarine maneuvered 675 project SF in the Mediterranean. The submarine commander was drunk, resurfaced and began chasing two US warships, resulting in a collision that brought the submarine and the ship various damage. The Americans recorded the entire race on film and film. Admiral Smirnov talked on this occasion with the US Admiral, who said: "I have no complaints against the Soviet commander. The American commander is guilty, because he did not take all measures to evade the Soviet submarine."

The division commander let me go on vacation, June 16 I flew to a sanatorium.

While on vacation in Leningrad, I received an urgent telegram from Kamchatka from AN Lutsky, where I was instructed to arrive in Moscow in the personnel department regarding my appointment to the position of commander of a nuclear submarine division. I was warned to replenish my knowledge of personnel records and current policy, as in Moscow, I will be interviewed on these issues by personnel officers, senior managers and employees of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Therefore, I spent the second day at home and tried to remember this gibberish. 1 August I flew to Moscow, stopped by my sister. The next day, he was already in the General Staff of the Navy in the personnel department, where he met with his division commander, Rear Admiral AN Lutsky, who was also called to Moscow in connection with his appointment to the position of deputy flotilla commander. Vice-Admiral Bodarevsky, the head of the staff, received me and Lutsky, who both of us liked with our care, sensitivity, calmness and humor. He told how to behave in the General Directorate of Personnel of the Ministry of Defense (GUK) on Begovaya. After that, they put us in a separate room, where we were studying documents on personnel work before dinner. Then we were brought to the GUK to lieutenant-general, Hero of the Soviet Union Kovtunov. On this trip we were accompanied by the personnel department of the Navy, Rear Admiral Volgin. The general put us in front of him and started asking questions.

The first question was Lutsky.
- How are things in your division?
- The division this year received a good rating.
- And do not you deceive the higher command? Or maybe you are cheated?

Lutsky was a bit taken aback by these questions, but he convincingly answered that there was no deception.

The general continued at the same pace.
- It means everything is OK? Okay then? And everyone knows the statutes? And does your deputy Berzin know the statutes? Let him tell you the duties of a sailor!

I replied that the sailor’s duties were set out in two statutes: ship service and internal service. The general interrupted me with a question.
- How many points?

I did not answer this question, but the responsibilities of the sailor told everything. After that, Kovtunov continued to interview me.
- Here we will appoint you, and you begin to steal?
- No, I will not start. Nothing to steal: 6 submarines, two old barracks and a broken UAZ.
- Ah well! And if there was anything, would they steal?
- I would not, since childhood is not accustomed.
- But we appointed one general as a division commander, and a month later he began to steal fuel and sell it to the left. And you will not?
- No, I will not.
- Volgin, will Berzin steal?
- No, it will not.

Kovtunov looked at his notes and continued.
- Okay. Here we will appoint you, and you will lead your mistress?
- I won't, I love my wife.
- But we appointed one general to the army commander, and he immediately started a mistress for himself, and left his wife.
- I will not.

Kovtunov again turned to Volgin.
“Volgin, will Berzin get his mistress?”
- It will not.
- Okay. Berzin, and children, by chance, are you not addicts or fartsovschiki?
- The son is studying at the institute, and the daughter is at school, both are secretaries of Komsomol organizations.
- It means nothing, answer essentially the question!
- Not addicts and not fartsovschiki.
- But we appointed one general as chief of staff of the army, and his son turned out to be a drug addict and a homosexual. Do your children become addicts?
- Will not.
- Berzin, and how old are you?
- Forty four.
- Well well! You are a bum! You are forty-four years old, and you are only a deputy division commander. I was thirty eight years old during the war, but I already commanded a corps.
- Comrade General, I passed all positions in the submarine fleet, everywhere I served honestly.
- Berzin, and you are fussy. All tanned, probably mostly relaxing, but not serving?
- No, no. A month ago I returned from a long hike, two months under water. Was sent to a sanatorium, and after it immediately to you.
- Do you have a summary of the statutes of the Armed Forces?
- Yes, there is.

I was warned about this even before my trip to Moscow. They told how a captain of the 1 rank did not have such an outline. Kovtunov kicked him out of the office. The captain of the 1 rank sat for two weeks in the hotel "Moscow" and outlined the statutes, and only after that the conversation with him was continued.

- Berzin, give the characteristics of your submarine commanders.

I began to report, but after a minute Kovtunov interrupted me.
- Which of the commanders can grow up in the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy?

The question, of course, was stupid in form and content, since Commanders appointed people not the best and most capable, but on the basis of political expediency and personal loyalty to the regime, or rather, to the General Secretary of the CPSU. I said that I find it difficult to answer this question. The conversation had already been going on for an hour and a half, it was plus thirty-five degrees outside, the shirt was all wet with sweat. Then Lutsky and I were taken to Colonel General Goncharov, he talked with us for about fifteen minutes. Goncharov was mainly interested in my and my wife’s nationality. In those days it was a stumbling block. In the personnel agencies, in the KGB, in the party organs, nationalities were divided into indigenous and non-indigenous. Non-indigenous were considered: Jews, Chinese, Koreans, Poles, Germans and Greeks. Indigenous - all the rest. But even indigenous people were under suspicion - Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians, who were born and lived in their republics before 1940. Therefore, he began with the question of nationality.

- What is your nationality?
- I consider myself a Latvian.
- Clear. Why do you have such a strange name Alfred?
- So the mother called, this is a Latvian name.
- Clear. And what is the nationality of your wife?
- Russian.
- Clear. Well, her father is a Greek?
- Yes, Greek, captain of rank 2, rescue ship commander, and her mother is Russian. By the right of choice, my wife is Russian.
- Clear. What nationality do you have children?
- Russians.
- How do you feel about your appointment?
- I go to this position with great desire.

Potters strangely looked at me and nodded his head.

Later I was told that I had to answer: "I regard my appointment as a great confidence of the party and the government, which I will justify with my work."

Completely izmochalennye after all these moronic conversations, we went with Lutsky to the hotel "Moscow", where he stayed. Washed and went to a restaurant for lunch and dinner, because it was already the case in the evening. We ordered a bottle of dry wine, a snack, a first, second, and dessert. Discussing the past day, we finished our meal, when suddenly the figure of Admiral Maslov, the Commander of the Pacific Fleet, appeared in front of our table. It also dumbfounded us, as if Mephistopheles appeared in a beautiful cloak. True, the admiral was a tracksuit, he began to ask questions to Lutsky.

- What are you doing here?
- We have dinner.
- See see…

Maslov stared at our bottle of Tsinandali.

- We arrived with Berzin in the GUK and the Central Committee of the CPSU in connection with the appointments.
- Yes Yes i remember. So how are things going?

Lutsky told in brief. Maslov listened and went to the buffet for cigarettes, he was on vacation traveling through Moscow.

The next day we arrived at the headquarters of the Navy in the personnel department. At first we were taken to the head of the political department of the Navy - a member of the military council, Admiral Grishanov, and then to the commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral of the Soviet Navy Gorshkov. The first to call for Grishanov was Lutsky. It turns out that the head of the political department of the flotilla, Rear Admiral Katchenkov I.A. He added his addition to the characteristics of Lutsky, where he wrote that he was little accessible to people, arrogant, arrogant, etc. etc. But it is clear that this “supplement” did not affect Grishanov, since he generally knew Katchenkov. After Lutsky they invited me. Grishanov's first question: "What is your nationality?" I was just amazed that here they are interested in this question. I don’t read what I’m thinking about life, I don’t care about, I don’t care. They were all fixated on nationality. After asking about the same questions by nationality, Grishanov spoke the following:

- Do you like Lenin mixed up. Lenin in the family were Russian, German, Kalmyks.
- I do not know about Lenin, but like mine, I told you.
- How are your children smart? Solzhenitsyn not read?
- Children are normal.
- Good. And how are you in the division with combat readiness?
- The percentage of combat-ready submarines is maintained.

After lunch, Gorshkov accepted us. A huge office, in the corner of a globe taller than a man. The pots of small stature, face stern, looks on 70 years. He listened to Lutsky, immediately gave instructions for the quickest introduction of the K-204 and K-201 submarines into the permanent-readiness forces. There were no special questions, speeches or instructions. So, the second day has passed.

The next morning we were taken to the Central Committee of the CPSU. At the entrance stood a KGB officer who looked at our party cards and told where to go. We found the necessary cabinet number, where we were received by Rear Admiral VI Panin, he was in charge of the Central Navy in the Central Committee. We told Vasily Ivanovich about the first two days of our conversations in the University of Finland, with Grishanov and Gorshkov. Then he went to report on us to Colonel-General Volkov, and we went to the corridor and sat in the chairs that were there. On the street + 30 degrees, air conditioners work here, there is no visual agitation and portraits, a man in a black suit (watching from the KGB) is constantly walking down the corridor. Finally, we were invited to Colonel-General Volkov, he asked a few questions and let us go. Panin led us to one of the buffets, warned us not to grab anything and not be surprised. And there was something to be surprised about: red and black caviar, sturgeon and baked ham, red fish, sausage, all kinds of fruits and vegetables, and much more (the year was 1977, the majority of the population of the country only heard about these products, but did not eat). Lutsky and I scooped up trays of all kinds of delicacies. The barmaid counted me and said: "68 cents from you." I answered her: "You have counted something for me a little". She politely replied: "We are never wrong." Having eaten, we descended to the cash desk of the Central Committee's aeroflot, where we were quickly and politely issued tickets. At the entrance, the KGB officer no longer checked our party cards, but simply wished a happy journey, calling everyone by name. The next day we left for a flight to Kamchatka, where Lutsky ordered me to fly to Vladivostok and engage in the K-204 submarine. Lutsky himself began to manage the flotilla, because flotilla commander Gromov B.I. brought from the sea with pneumonia.

Meanwhile, the head of the political department of the flotilla, Rear Admiral Katchenkov, gathered the heads of the political departments of the divisions and conducted a training session on the upcoming Komsomol conference of the flotilla. The heads of political departments portrayed the public: they spoke, they voted, they read resolutions, they sang the anthem of the Soviet Union and the International, and even imitated the lunch break. Katchenkov watched as someone sings and said: "... Here you are singing weakly, I can not hear your voice ..." And so they did it for three days.

At the ceremonial building in honor of Victory Day, there was no submarine commander K-48, captain 2 of the rank of Rovno, who was recently appointed to this position and successfully proved himself from the very beginning. On various channels I was informed that he was at home in a severe hangover. I called him to the part. He came to my office, at that time I had the head of the political department, Captain 2, rank Pogrebnykh, and deputy division commander, Captain 1, rank Anokhin. I asked Rovensky: "Are you drunk?" The answer is no. Long sought the truth from him, he denied everything. Then Rovensky sobbed and began to voice a recitative: "Comrade, divisional commander, your soul is overgrown with wool, you are a rude and callous man." We all began to reassure him, and I let him go home. Until the evening I finally found out. Rovensky got drunk in parts, after that he began to wander among the sailors, midshipmen and officers of his crew, until my deputy captain of rank 1 Anokhin found him, who put him on the UAZ and took him home. I asked Anokhin about this and he told me everything. In the morning, I again invited Rovensky to me and, in the presence of my deputies, asked the question: "Did you drink alcohol?" The answer is no. Then I turned to Anokhin: "Tell me how it was?" Anokhin did not have time to open his mouth, as Rovensky said: "Yes, I was drunk. I will not do it again." I could not stand it and asked: "So who has a soul overgrown with wool?" Rovensky replied with embarrassment: "I, Comrade Comrade." On this and done.

On the 2 flotilla was supposed to arrive a member of the Military Council - the head of the political department of the Navy, Admiral Grishanov. The chief of the political department of the 2 flotilla, Captain 1, rank Ambarov, and his deputy, Captain 1, rank Trump, came to inspect the pool, they were met there by the flagship specialist of the flotilla in physical education, Major Petrov. Ambarov looked at the pool and began to give instructions to Petrov: "Soon we should have Grishanov, for his arrival to paint everything, hang up new curtains so that there were terry robes, terry and simple sheets" Petrov: "All this is not allowed by the state, but for I cannot afford to buy money. " Ambarov: "For all high officials, all this needs to be had." Ambarov refers to Kozyr: "It is necessary, Vladimir Nikolayevich, in the political department to throw off the robes for 10 rubles." Ambarov: "Where is your refrigerator, samovar?" Petrov responded by asking: "Will Grishanov swim in the pool or drink tea?" There was no answer. Grishanov arrived, all officers were assembled in the officers' house, where they heard the command of the divisions and the heads of political departments. The commander of 25, dipl Rear Admiral Privalov, spoke on how they were fighting in the division with drunkenness, that they had organized a circle of sober-minded people, which caused Homeric laughter in the hall. In the evening, anonymous writers called 25 Chief of Staff a dipl to 1 captain of rank Yerofeyev and asked to write into the circle of sober-minded people.

In 1979, I was at the 20 regional party conference together with a member of the Military Council, the chief of the 2 political department of the flotilla, captain 1 of rank Ambarov, went to Petropavlovsk on his Volga, he sat me in the back of the driver, and he sat in the back seat, explained to me: "In the West, bosses drive in the backseat, and also more safety." On the way, he said that he served in the office of Grishanov, that he noticed him and once offered to walk him in the evenings. It looked like this: Ambarov came home after work, had dinner and drove to 20.00 at Grishanov’s house, he went outside and they walked and talked together, and so almost every day.

9 July 1979 Propulsion K-325 (commander captain 2 rank Valuev, senior on a hike, chief of staff captain 1 rank Alkaev NN) departed for combat service. A day before the exit, I checked with the headquarters of the submarine. The commander of the warhead-2 captain 3 rank Obodovsky was missing. This man drank in the Northern Fleet, continued to drink in the Pacific Fleet. Captain 2 of rank Lushin presented Obodovsky to the order for crossing the submarine under the ice, the order was given. Obodovsky arrived at the boat at the very last moment. For this person, I also turned on the team, the answer: "Educate."

In 1979, they were sent to study at the Academy of the 1 captain of the rank of Kopiev, and in the division there was less than one well-trained, competent, strong-willed and honest commander.

21 July 1979 was informed that on Lieutenant Submarine K-325, which was in combat service, the Chief of Medical Service, Senior Lieutenant Buerakov, died. K-325 approached and went to drift in Sarannaya Bay. On the torpedo TL-552 came a group of officers, including me, to investigate this emergency. Investigation showed that earlier Buerakov allowed cases of drunkenness at sea, including at the transition from the Northern Fleet under the ice to the Pacific Fleet. On this military service, he got drunk on July 18, he was made a suggestion by the submarine commander and deputy commander for political affairs, took alcohol from him, and 19 found him in an unconscious cabin, poisoned with hypnotic pills, it was not possible to save him.

The commander of the 2 flotilla, Rear Admiral Pavlov, ordered the command of the divisions to arrive at the dining room of the 8 dipl, where they promised to show us an exemplary table setting. We came to the dining room; the dining room is dirty, no order. Pavlov appeared, immediately brought dishes with fresh cucumbers and tomatoes, kebabs and roasted whole turkey. All this was put on the same table. This is the so-called "sailor's food." Then the participants themselves sat down at this table and began to eat delicacies. I went to the training center for the admission of the CBD to the crew of the 2 captain of the rank Dorogin and did not participate in the “eating”.

In parenting, the most important principle is the personal example of the educator (“do as I do”). Our main tutors - the officers of political workers were very far from a positive example. Persuaded us: "Do not drink, do not steal, do not commit adultery!" But they did it all themselves. Our bosses in communication allowed rudeness, abusive abuse, biased evaluation of their subordinates. Often appointed to the high positions of people with low moral qualities, close-minded, tyrants, limited. The main criterion for the appointment was loyalty to the CPSU and the Soviet Government. Not the Motherland, but the CPSU and the Soviet Government. The drunkards were kept on submarines for years, but if a person says at least one word against the Politburo (for example, that there are all very elderly people), then these people were immediately removed from their posts and appointed with a significant decrease or transferred to the reserve. Very often, personnel and political bodies were concerned with the nationality of a person. Sometimes it was just a stumbling block, reaching idiocy. The division command was constantly engaged in the education of submarine commanders. Despite the large number of combat services, submarine commanders and other officers were systematically sent to study at the Naval Academy. Our political department, which was headed by the captain of the 1 rank, VM Pogrebnykh, worked a lot in educating the personnel and strengthening the combat readiness of the division. Captain 1 rank Pogrebnyh V.M. and the officers of the political department went out on submarines to combat service and to work out the tasks of combat training at sea. I have the best memories of him. The deputy commanders for the political part of our submarines were mostly conscientious, responsible and knowledgeable officers.
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  1. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 17 December 2013 08: 42
    +8
    Mdaaaa ... There’s nothing to say. Thank you so much Alfred Semenovich!
  2. makarov
    makarov 17 December 2013 08: 51
    +6
    I am grateful to the respected AUTHOR for TRUE material without tinsel and embellishment !!!
    Respect to you !!!
    1. aleks
      aleks 17 December 2013 14: 09
      +3
      However, his division was mainly served by worthy people - somehow it does not fit with the general outline. I met bosses and similar, but much more worthy and senior officers and admirals. I agree that I too nanny with drunkards, forcing them to educate .
  3. svp67
    svp67 17 December 2013 08: 58
    +5
    Of course it is interesting, but the YEAR OF TALK raises the question ... as I understand it, around 1977 ... and then the issues of ADDICTION and HOMOSEXUALISM were somehow not particularly relevant, most of which I did not even hear such words ...
    1. mike_z
      mike_z 17 December 2013 09: 43
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      most of them didn’t hear such words ...

      Yes, in the North and Pacific Fleet, most likely did not hear about drug addiction, but not in the south. There, this business was already gaining momentum. In 80, I entered the guard on Severomorsk lip, there were two sailors under investigation from the aviation who robbed the pharmacy of the unit. They proudly walked me (he guarded himself, he was young, curious) and told me that they took the best. Then I remembered for a long time the names of drugs of group A, in which I understand very little. We were glad that in the North no one could understand drugs and they would be given only (!) Six years each. And at the Black Sea Fleet they would give a dozen, at least. It was. And recently, my granddaughter said that she and her friend counted 63 syringes that were lying on the road from their school to their home ... Severomorsk has changed, like the whole country. They heard about homosexuals later, when the deputy of one destroyer for this case was removed from the ship right in the middle sea, in the year 83-84, it seems. I remember my last name, but I won’t write. Yes ... then it was all marvelous.
    2. Know-nothing
      17 December 2013 10: 29
      +3
      In what year was Khrushchev yelling "damned races"? Maybe this very word sounded in the GUK, but the respected author softened the intonation.
    3. makarov
      makarov 17 December 2013 11: 38
      +3
      Stop being mean. Back in 1962, at an exhibition in the Manege, Khrushchev under Furtseva and the host, openly told Ernst Neizvestny that "only homosexuals and homosexuals gathered here," to which Unknown suggested Furtseva unmask, and he was ready to Nikita practically and in fact, immediately that he is not a homosexual, but a traditionalist and a womanizer
  4. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 17 December 2013 09: 11
    +3
    ADDICTIONS and HOMOSEXUALISM as it was not particularly relevant
    Well, where they are not particularly relevant, and where they are very relevant. In TECH cabinets, anything could come up.
    1. svp67
      svp67 17 December 2013 09: 29
      +3
      Quote: Old_Kapitan
      In TECH cabinets, anything could come up.
      In those offices at that time, I was more interested in "how do you implement the decisions of the last PARTYEZD in life"? How many and what works of the founders of the ML did you read and how much did you outline? When did you read the books "Renaissance" and "Small Earth"? These are the questions just from that time ... Could ask about the attitude to alcohol, but to drugs ?????? At that time, for any "unofficial" attitude towards drugs, they simply imprisoned, this "passion" was prosecuted CRIMINALLY, like COURAGE, not homosexuality, then it was called THAT ...
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 17 December 2013 17: 27
        0
        So the author did not hide that about politics and charters, too, were muzzled. As he called sv now - this is another question, I doubt that even then they were called iron moses. I’ll add - in 79-80 (I don’t remember exactly) the doctors were written off from us - I turned out to be a fagot. About drugs - read the rest of the comments. To get it: see a gopher? Not! But he is!
        1. dv-v
          dv-v 18 December 2013 06: 23
          +1
          "there is no word, but there is **")) - for psychologists, sexual perversions in a closed gender collective as "our father".))
      2. dv-v
        dv-v 18 December 2013 06: 21
        0
        in his time at the time of the urgent departure of the USSR, he fully communicated with political workers that both divisions and flotillas — degeneration in full. they came up with some kind of dick for a tick, and I was a participant - I said there alone.)) they still suggested to the party at first.))
  5. drop
    drop 17 December 2013 09: 15
    13
    In 1979, I was appointed Chief Engineer of the 6 State University of the USSR Ministry of Radioprom. In addition to conversations in the Defense Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, which were of a completely different nature, they were constructive, reviews were submitted to the Government about my work as the Chief Designer, signed by the Deputy Glavkomov. It was only after this that the order of appointment was signed. At present, the appointment to government posts is different. The appointees do not have a work program, so the GDP growth rate is 0,6%. We worked so that these rates were 12-20%. the deadline for the introduction of new military vehicles did not exceed 4's. I have the honor
  6. jjj
    jjj 17 December 2013 09: 23
    +6
    Only naval "top-level conversations" are described. But it was like that everywhere. Personnel policy was brought to the point of absurdity. So the Union collapsed.
    And how many people have recently seen political departments in all military branches
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 17 December 2013 20: 16
      +3
      And what is the political department to love? Basically the most two-faced and nasty little people served.
  7. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 17 December 2013 09: 30
    -2
    Of course, it’s interesting to find out everything that’s ready-made, but in my opinion it’s wrong to wash the dirty linen of the Soviet Army on everyone’s eyes, especially since there are so many who want to spoil her glorious past! You can not lie, but not to say too much!
    1. creak
      creak 17 December 2013 21: 09
      +1
      Truth is never superfluous, and our wonderful poet Tvardovsky was right when he wrote: "One untruth is at a loss for us, and only the truth to the court ...". The author is a fine fellow that he wrote as it was, without embellishment, I also had to deal with manifestations of such insanity, when the political officers forgot that the enemy was beaten not with Marx, but with a weapon ...
  8. govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 17 December 2013 09: 41
    +5
    Yes. take sensibly the captain of the third rank and entrust him with cleaning garbage cans! -some teams were not uncommon. The Navy in a strange way combined the ability to perform complex military missions and complete impotence in the establishment of life and the organization of service. I started at Deer Bay in the 80s. even reluctance to talk about coastal conditions.
  9. mike_z
    mike_z 17 December 2013 09: 53
    +8
    The article is a definite plus! Thanks! And she appeared on time. Just on NTV yesterday showed the first episodes of the film "Goryunov" about the Navy ... What period ?? Everything is mixed, like in a bad cocktail. A. Pokrovsky, Y. Pakhomov (it seems), some other writers-marine painters + "fantasies" of the authors of KYNO, who have never seen the PL in person. Filming from the north to the south ... I do not reproach the authors for the eclecticism of the names of ships and boats, let it be, this is not a documentary, after all. But other moments characteristic of the Navy could at least be brought closer to reality ... We don't have a single sensible film about the modern Navy. IMHO. What do you say, colleagues?
    1. govoruha-otrok
      govoruha-otrok 17 December 2013 15: 51
      +3
      72 meters, perhaps?
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 17 December 2013 17: 21
        +1
        72 meters, perhaps?
        I agree. If you omit some technical nuances (this is still a movie - very, very close.
        1. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 17 December 2013 20: 19
          +1
          Even if omitted, very far.
          1. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 17 December 2013 20: 51
            0
            Even if omitted, very far.
            Could it be more specific?
            1. mike_z
              mike_z 18 December 2013 08: 39
              0
              "72 meters" is simply the only film in recent years (yes, there are years - two decades (!) A film about the modern Navy. This, of course, is not "Goryunov", which the further, the more terrifying, that is still a fairy tale! Although the film looks good and interesting. "Cunning" is only we see, and most viewers do not need to know the details. The point is different - there is almost no serious literature about the modern Navy. Everyone is fixated on A. Pokrovsky, but this is not the whole fleet! He's a fine fellow in collecting bikes. Many could, including myself. But they did not. But he did. For "Shoot" and the first part of "Shoot-2" - "respect and respect." but these are literary matters, not “for here.” There is a very good writer - Yuri Nikolayevich Pakhomov, I highly recommend, who are not familiar, to read it. This is the fleet! Head and shoulders above Pokrovsky. Beautifully written stories! But they do not write scripts according to Pakhomov, By the way, in the previous post I was mistaken - in the film about Goryunov from Y. Pakhomov there is not a single page glasses. Therefore, we are waiting for a good film. There you can use both Berzin and Radzevsky. Why not?
  10. moremansf
    moremansf 17 December 2013 10: 17
    +2
    Many thanks to the author, respected Rear Admiral A.S. Berzin, for the article, without embellishment ... Over the years of service in the Navy, I myself have witnessed this senility more than once ... Sometimes the source notes were more important than combat training, such excesses took place ... a lot, of course, depended on the man himself, there were real officers among the political workers, competent, helpful, wholeheartedly rooting for their crew and not afraid to stand up for their colleagues in far-fetched accusations ...
  11. moremansf
    moremansf 17 December 2013 10: 24
    +2
    Quote: mike_z
    Just on NTV yesterday showed the first episodes of the film "Goryunov" about the Navy ... What period ?? Everything is mixed, like in a bad cocktail. A. Pokrovsky, Y. Pakhomov (it seems), some other writers-marine painters + "fantasies" of the authors of KYNO, who have never seen PL in person.

    I completely agree with mike_z - not the best series about the fleet ... for the total mass of viewers, it can only cause a negative reaction ... rudeness, drunkenness, inconstancy is not the best advertising of the fleet ... I'm not a film critic, but in my opinion the authors of the series overdid it his desire to create a new movie masterpiece ...
  12. moremansf
    moremansf 17 December 2013 10: 28
    +4
    I take this opportunity to congratulate this author of the article, Rear Admiral A.S. Berzin and all submariners with their professional holiday. Health, good luck, prosperity !!!!
  13. SIT
    SIT 17 December 2013 12: 32
    +2
    It was in those days that I first heard the aphorism now known from my company commander, when he was following the politician so not so loudly in a low voice - that’s the man’s job! I envy! The mouth closed and the workplace removed.
  14. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 17 December 2013 13: 28
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the article. I had a brigade commander VV Grishanov (the son of that Grishanov) so he plowed like a "savraska", which was surprising for an officer whose dad was in the General Staff of the Navy. Then the political commissars were not so annoying, but the special officers were something ...
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 17 December 2013 17: 31
      +1
      Then the political leaders didn’t bother so much, but the osobists are something ...
      And we have a special officer - Art. lt Chervontsev was excellent. What can not be said about the substitute - neither fish nor meat.
      1. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 17 December 2013 20: 21
        +2
        The sun fries and soars, the political commander goes on vacation. The best Zampolit-sleeping Zampolit!
  15. pifon
    pifon 17 December 2013 16: 15
    +1
    Everything is somehow messed up ... no beginning, no middle, no ending ... - torn pages from the diary! This is about style. But in fact - if all the episodes took place to be (and certainly there were much more), it becomes clear - for all the accidents, disasters, etc. in the submarine fleet. Bl., Only the soul ached!
  16. xomaNN
    xomaNN 17 December 2013 16: 35
    0
    Neither to you polygraphs, nor psychological tests ... In times were. I myself remember the party committee in the regional committee of the CPSU held before the overseas. Recall and write down - Satire humor drives: winked
  17. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 17 December 2013 21: 34
    -2
    Quote: ranger
    Truth is never superfluous, and our wonderful poet Tvardovsky was right when he wrote: "One untruth is at a loss for us, and only the truth to the court ...". The author is a fine fellow that he wrote as it was, without embellishment, I also had to deal with manifestations of such insanity, when the political officers forgot that the enemy was beaten not with Marx, but with a weapon ...

    There has been too much truth lately, which is pouring mud over our history, and people like you, for such a truth, but at the same time for such a lie that is now happening in the country. True-minded, you always love the truth that is beneficial to you, people with the thinking of conscripts, boast about how you thumped in the capter, and strive to disgrace commanders for one-time sins. You are truth-seekers who are ready to humiliate Soviet history, but such as spotted and wrestling-alcoholics to extol to heaven. Good article, but the midshipmen and the drunken captain are superfluous here.
    PS And also lovers of truth, you are one of those who say to the Afghans "we did not send you there," and believe that it is right to raise the dirt of that war, okay, God be your judge!
    1. creak
      creak 18 December 2013 10: 06
      0
      I ask you not to poke, judging by the manners. It’s not for you to judge the thinking of those who exchange opinions on the forum. Here you have besides hackneyed stamps - to pour mud, cast a shadow, do not come to your mind, it is very similar to the political leaders in question. What was on the minds of the authorities, then was on the tongs ...
      Yes, I am in favor of telling the truth, but I never told the Afghans: "We did not send you there" because I myself am an officer, a participant in hostilities.
      Therefore, behave more politely and modestly, you are not on the party committee ...
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  18. Iraclius
    Iraclius 17 December 2013 22: 52
    +2
    A very remarkable article and the author is a wonderful person. Only, here, the feeling of some squeamish and arrogant pettiness of the author does not leave. People are people and everyone has flaws and weaknesses. It is clear that people with vices like drunken alcoholism, if wisely, have nothing to do in the Navy.
    But to list in the diaries how the captain got drunk on Victory Day or covered dinner in a scruffy dining room is petty, even humiliating for the author. As if there were no more important problems. To be honest, for the most part, household drunkenness was the result of domestic disorder on the shore and, as a result, of family devastation. Here it was necessary to deal with what in the first place. And our bosses, as always, blame the drunkards.
  19. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 17 December 2013 23: 49
    +1
    Loved the last paragraph! About the first half of it. Fully characterizes today's reality lol Although here you need to cry, and not laugh ...
  20. okroshka79
    okroshka79 19 December 2013 00: 55
    +2
    In my understanding, almost all political officers of the 70-80s were either drunks or moral. There were some very decent among them, but this is an exception to the rule. On the ship we had a zamushka Anatoly Ivanovich I. - a complete drunk. Drank to delirium tremens. Once a fever attack with noise hallucinations happened right in the cabin of the division commander. So they were taken to Murmansk for treatment, after which they were sent to further educate the construction battalions in Polyarny. A big political worker was a neighbor on the landing. On weekends, a company of young sycophants-half-liter workers gathered at his place. After them, the entrance cleaner was full of "klandike" of empty vodka bottles behind the elevator shaft, although in Severomorsk there was no vodka on sale in Voentorg stores, and the non-Voentorg stores simply did not exist. or elections? And what about the slogan "Let's bring the organization of classes in the specialty to the level of political studies!" Or when, instead of credits and admission of personnel to the acceptance of the ammunition on the ship, instead of this, a Komsomol meeting was held on the trouble-free acceptance of the same ammunition, and there was no time for credits and admission. remember all this about this category of servicemen. Ballast, he is ballast.