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Tank biathlon: crews are preparing for new launches

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In the Leningrad Region, preparations are under way for international tank biathlon competitions. Although there are still eight months to start, the crews have a lot to do, for example, to bring all the elements of the program to automaticity. Among those who will take part in the championship 2014, and the current champions.


It’s almost eight months before the start of the 2014 tank biathlon competition, but now it’s important to bring the action to automaticity. Driver mechanic tank T-72 Igor Artemyev at the helm of a combat vehicle is not the first year. At the tournament held this year in Alabino, his crew was second to none. The team became the best not only among the Russian participants, but also confidently beat the squads of Kazakhstan, Armenia and Belarus.

"I liked the fact that I had to compete with all the crews. All the army, from all districts. I wanted to see what kind of crews the CIS teams have," said Igor Artemyev, 138 mechanic rifle brigade driver.

Here, everything is like in a real sport: the route for tanks is three laps of six kilometers with obstacles, at the finish of each lap is a firing line. They shoot at targets that imitate armored vehicles. For every mistake or exit from the route - a half-kilometer penalty circle.

Driving, overcoming obstacles, searching for a target, shooting - all these exercises are performed by tankers, as a rule, separately, while in biathlon, all operations are combined into a complex and performed for a while. Military experts say that the effectiveness of training crew members with such a new sport will only improve.

The Russian crew, led by Nikolai Morokov, is the first world tank champion in biathlon. Having learned about the recruitment of a team in such an unusual sport, at first people were very surprised, no one knew what they would have to perform on the court. The chief of staff of the tank battalion, Andrei Petrov, recalls: “They didn’t know what criteria they would choose. started driving and shooting. "

In the spectator stands - a full house. About three thousand spectators, among whom were foreigners, came to watch the sport using heavy military equipment. The military from Germany, the United States and Italy have already expressed their desire to take part in the competition next year. By the way, the Italians plan to participate in the Centaur wheeled tanks, but the current champions believe that the secret of success lies not in technology. “The main thing is crew coordination and understanding of each other. Then there will be a victory,” says mechanic driver Igor Artemyev.

The winning team of international competitions has yet to go through the qualifying round of the Russian stage. In the meantime, Igor Artemyev intends to bring the passage through the bridge to automatism. In his opinion, this is the most difficult obstacle of tank biathlon.
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  1. Pacifist
    Pacifist 16 December 2013 11: 15
    23
    Put a minus, but not because it is against it. Quite the opposite, with all limbs behind. It’s just bitter to watch how our guys perform not on the tanks of the latest modifications, but on the warehouse unadjusted trash. And at the same time, there was a pathos about the competition for the carriage, and the fact that qualified crews missed the shooting due to the fact that suo not calibrated is normal ?! Remember my word, the Americans and Italians will tidy up on the top versions, if not the tanks themselves, then there will be a top and adjusted one.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2013 11: 22
      16
      oh Winnie! if the NATO team tackles on top versions, then our test drivers from Tagil will drive on the fact that Medvedev was shown alone ... laughing
      1. Pacifist
        Pacifist 16 December 2013 11: 31
        +6
        For this, the crews must prepare for them for the competition, and they prepare for the t-72b driven out of the warehouse.
        1. major071
          major071 16 December 2013 12: 04
          +8
          The idea is good, I liked it (the tanker himself), but the quality of the equipment is depressing, I hope that when foreign tanks come to biathlon, we will also perform with dignity and decent equipment. soldier
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 16 December 2013 15: 36
            +6
            Quote: major071
            quality of technology depressing


            I totally agree. This is an advertisement, and even what! And immediately you can show all the possible types of camouflage (winter, tropical, desert, etc.)
            1. typhoon7
              typhoon7 16 December 2013 21: 23
              +2
              Alas, you can only dream of such a handsome man. It is thought that the cars that are in the arsenal of the armies of the competitors will participate in the competitions.
              1. poquello
                poquello 16 December 2013 21: 35
                +1
                Quote: typhoon7
                Alas, you can only dream of such a handsome man. It is thought that the cars that are in the arsenal of the armies of the competitors will participate in the competitions.

                Perhaps, but this is fundamentally wrong. It is necessary to allow factory and interested teams.
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            2. VOLCHOXURAL
              VOLCHOXURAL 16 December 2013 21: 32
              0
              Quote: Cherdak
              Quote: major071
              quality of technology depressing


              I totally agree. This is an advertisement, and even what! And immediately you can show all the possible types of camouflage (winter, tropical, desert, etc.)

              Tropical, desert - why? European and North American! soldier
        2. AVV
          AVV 16 December 2013 12: 39
          +2
          But the competition should be held either on a caterpillar or wheeled chassis, and conditions will not be equal, because the wheeled chassis is faster and easier, but they are inferior in cross-country ability, so you need to make obstacles such that on the wheeled chassis the track doesn’t turn out to be easy walk !!!
        3. IRBIS
          IRBIS 16 December 2013 15: 24
          +9
          Quote: Pacifist
          For this, crews must prepare for them to compete

          Generally, the crews should be engaged in real combat training, and not preparing for "competitions" for some newfangled crap. What do all these "exercises" teach tankers, may I ask? To destroy the technique? Violate the Driving and Shooting Rules? Which of all this is useful in a war? Turn on your brains, guys! Someone decided to mark the innovation, but here, on the site, there are professionals. I graduated from a tank school and was a company commander, and my opinion is that all this is bullshit on vegetable oil, someone's spectacular "deflection". Spectacular but totally useless!
          1. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 16 December 2013 15: 46
            +6
            Quote: IRBIS
            my opinion - all this garbage on vegetable oil, someone's spectacular "deflection". Spectacular but totally useless!

            Thank you, otherwise I thought that it was just because of not professional thoughtlessness that I thought so, but it turns out that the tankers think so.
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 16 December 2013 18: 22
            +1
            But you must admit that 3-4 people can be selected for such competitions.
            And isn't it interesting for you as a professional to see what the technicians and people of "probable friends" are capable of?
            What can be expected from them approximately. wink
          3. Bogdarin
            Bogdarin 17 December 2013 12: 32
            +1
            Something I, dear, I do not understand at all. It’s great to maneuver, overcome obstacles, knead dirt, work quickly and smoothly, shoot different types of targets from a place and on the go with different types of weapons - this:
            Quote: IRBIS
            The technique to ruin? Violate Driving and Shooting Rules? Which of all this is useful in war?
            For some reason, it always seemed to me that the one who shoots better and faster knows the control of the armored vehicle perfectly, and understands the crew mates in short - he will win.
        4. DimychDV
          DimychDV 16 December 2013 18: 33
          0
          Biathlon is, of course, the sport of the highest achievements. But the idea of ​​holding it is focused on raising precisely the mass potential of tank troops. So I really like this impulse even on non-new cars. and I have no doubt: it comes to foreigners - our rolled out equipment fresher. Perhaps the most secret would not be worth it. So that they were afraid not of what was shown, but of what they did not know.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 16 December 2013 20: 23
            +5
            Quote: DimychDV
            Biathlon is, of course, the sport of the highest achievements.
            Biathlon is biathlon - winter, skiing, rifle, time trial and shooting for accuracy. To copy this for tank crews, well, you can just as well hold competitions in "tank waltz", this does not characterize the true training of the crew and does not reflect much what the crew should really know and be able to do. Competitions should be created for tanks and their crews, not taken from skiers with rifles. In addition, each crew, for objectivity, must act in their own tank, since each vehicle, even one brand, has its own character, its own temper, which a stranger does not know, does not feel. A tank is in action, it is always a spectacle, you don't need to suck a ridiculous show out of your finger, you just need to organize a competition, a true competition of tankers, and not biathletes on tanks or dancers, and it will be a more worthy spectacle.
        5. VOLCHOXURAL
          VOLCHOXURAL 16 December 2013 21: 28
          +1
          Quote: Pacifist
          For this, the crews must prepare for them for the competition, and they prepare for the t-72b driven out of the warehouse.

          Yes, and God be with them. Competitions next year, time will be. And to kill the tops today, I don’t see much point either.
        6. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 17 December 2013 03: 15
          +1
          Quote: Pacifist
          Put a minus, but not because it is against it. Quite the opposite, with all limbs behind. It’s just bitter to watch how our guys perform not on the tanks of the latest modifications, but on the warehouse unadjusted trash. And at the same time, there was a pathos about the competition for the carriage, and the fact that qualified crews missed the shooting due to the fact that suo not calibrated is normal ?! Remember my word, the Americans and Italians will tidy up on the top versions, if not the tanks themselves, then there will be a top and adjusted one.

          I do not put the article neither plus nor minus. Since there’s nothing at all.
          Victor, tank biathlon should be divided into two blocks:
          1. Training and combat activities of tank units.
          2. Patriotic SHOW.
          Both goals are important.
          - On the first block:
          There are still no changes in the UKS ... Actually the tankers were waiting for them.
          - On the second block:
          It is still not indicated: on which tanks the adversaries will arrive and on what technical conditions they will “compete” with us in competitions.

          Quote: Pacifist
          For this, the crews must prepare for them for the competition, and they prepare for the t-72b driven out of the warehouse.

          A little bit wrong ...
          The Biathlon was won not by the Country, not the District, and not by a specific Ground Forces Brigade ...
          NOT...
          lol
          Tank Biathlon Cup went CREW.
          yes
          And this crew comes from the 138th brigade .... This (in essence), the “eighties,” which were shoved into the T-72B3 ....
          So you were a little mistaken ... This crew continues now training not on T-72Б, but on T-72Б3.
          .........
          With all my obscene "tank-fuel oil bewilderment" to the T-72B3 modification I will explain:
          -T-72B3 is the perfect machine for theoretical battle, which means "Tank Biathlon" ...
          So this crew can be a worthy competitor to the foe. This is where we can win in the "second block" (it is also important).
          .
          But I'm more interested in the "first block" ... I'd rather take a deep breath of the smell of Litol and proOru with exhalation (asking GSh):
          -Changes in the UKS where ...............?!?!?!

          .
          Training and Combat Training of the Russian Federation - BASIS OF DEFENSE.

          IMHO.
      2. Dimon-chik-79
        Dimon-chik-79 16 December 2013 13: 00
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        then our test drivers from Tagil will drive on the fact that Medvedev was shown alone ...
        On wooden mock-ups in full size, or what?
      3. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 16 December 2013 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        oh Winnie! if the NATO team tackles on top versions, then our test drivers from Tagil will drive on the fact that Medvedev was shown alone ... laughing

        One hundred pounds. What’s what, and we like to let dust in our eyes. How to miss such an opportunity.
      4. PANZER
        PANZER 16 December 2013 14: 57
        +2
        What is it interesting on? The maximum that will put it T-90
      5. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 16 December 2013 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        oh Winnie! if the NATO team tackles on top versions, then our test drivers from Tagil will drive on the fact that Medvedev was shown alone ... laughing

        Yes, I also think that if the NATO team rolls, then ours will not meet them at grandfather triceps! soldier
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 16 December 2013 11: 30
      0
      I looked depressing impression ... separate loading archaism of some kind ...
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 16 December 2013 12: 01
        +6
        When designing armored vehicles, our engineers are always forced to rely on customer requirements (GABTU).
        That is why we have what we have.
        Maximum reserved volume, with minimum dimensions (hence the tightness of the BO and separate loading on the T-64, T-72 (90), T-80 tanks).
        So the product is fully consistent with customer requirements. yes
      2. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 16 December 2013 12: 38
        +2
        ShturmKGB
        He looked depressing impression.

        In short - just agree with you.
        If they also trained... How does everything look ordinary?
        I wonder where they found 3000 spectators? Well, the invitees are understandable, they "took" places. And mere mortals - WHERE they watched laughing and WHAT laughing

        Bullshit, akin to Olympic torch-carrying.
      3. user1212
        user1212 16 December 2013 13: 08
        18
        ShturmKGB
        I looked depressing impression ... separate loading archaism of some kind ...

        Why did this separate loading suddenly become archaism? A black man shoving shells into a gun means HiTech?
        1. typhoon7
          typhoon7 16 December 2013 16: 57
          +3
          Well said! +
      4. mvg
        mvg 16 December 2013 22: 55
        +1
        read carefully, where did the separate loading come from .. what does archaism have to do with it? so the party decided, after the T-62, everyone just went their own way
    3. q_556
      q_556 16 December 2013 13: 07
      +2
      They ride junk so that there is fair competition with teams from the Union republics - they have a new nova cat crying, so it would be unfair.
      But when the foreigners arrive, the situation there is different, it will be necessary to show all the best.
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: Pacifist
      not on tanks of the latest modifications

      most likely this was due to the participation of Kazakhstan and Armenia
      although by and large the teams should carry their namesake
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      1. poquello
        poquello 16 December 2013 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Pacifist
        not on tanks of the latest modifications

        most likely this was due to the participation of Kazakhstan and Armenia
        although by and large the teams should carry their namesake

        That's right, and the teams need to be like in Dakar.
    6. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 16 December 2013 13: 24
      +2
      I think how the technical regulations will be agreed upon - the general one, that the t-72 will not be up to the point that it is possible to create, put in and upgrade in one or three instances the benefit of the wagon. Although, on the chassis of the same 80
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 16 December 2013 14: 50
        +1
        Watch this action on the T-90MS.
        And so the complete disillusionment, these sucking action, played out on the technique intended for scrap.
    7. poquello
      poquello 16 December 2013 16: 21
      +3
      Quote: Pacifist
      Put a minus, but not because it is against it. Quite the opposite, with all limbs behind ...

      That's why I put + both the article and you, if there were no article, there would be no topic.
      Positive emotions - there is a tank biathlon.
      Negative emotions - entertainment is weak, there is no demonstration of advanced and best technology in competitive tasks.
      Conclusion - in today's situation, the world show will definitely not be pulled.
    8. Cher
      Cher 16 December 2013 20: 04
      +2
      And who canceled the show?
    9. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 16 December 2013 22: 50
      0
      It would be better not to create a firing line, but a separate route of 30 kilometers (winding, with obstacles) with random targets! And if the target missed - then not the penalty time, but "killed"! hi And nah off the track ... tongue
  2. Russ69
    Russ69 16 December 2013 11: 16
    +3
    In general, it will be interesting to look. What no, nevertheless, a comparison of different tanks ...
  3. queen
    queen 16 December 2013 11: 20
    +1
    how they will tear them to us, that’s the question .. or they will study the transfer of technology.
  4. erased
    erased 16 December 2013 11: 24
    +2
    And it’s good that they will not perform on the T-55. And there maybe the T-90AM will be put up. Or in general, the new Armata will be spotlighted. We'll see...
  5. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 16 December 2013 11: 26
    +5
    It is interesting to see the competition between our guys and NATO members, I would like to see ours in a more modern car.
    It is noteworthy that the Italians want to compete in a wheeled car.
    The organizers need to seriously think that at least in terms of driving performance, the cars corresponded to approximately the same level, because the wheel equipment has different running characteristics than the tracked one.
    Then our crew needs to prepare for the BTR-90 with a module from the BMP-3.
    armored personnel carrier
    laughing
    танк
  6. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 16 December 2013 11: 29
    16
    that fuli biathlon ... let’s immediately tank fights without rules
    1. poquello
      poquello 16 December 2013 16: 49
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Petrovich
      that fuli biathlon ... let’s immediately tank fights without rules


      let's, on these
      Technical characteristics of the Argo combat robotic complex (RBTK):

      The full curb weight does not exceed 1020 kg;
      The maximum speed of movement is 20 km / h, on the water - up to 2,5 knots.
      Maximum dimensions 3350x1850x1650 mm;
      Continuous work, at least 20 hours;
      Armament: 7,62 mm PKT machine gun, 3 RPG-26, RShG - 2.
      http://warsonline.info/bronetechnika/boevoy-robotizirovanniy-kompleks-argo.html
  7. Neighbor
    Neighbor 16 December 2013 11: 37
    +3
    Now, if the crews were drawn by draw for a week or a month in a pinch, of the entire composition of the Russian Armed Forces in an arbitrary tank (also by lot).
  8. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 16 December 2013 11: 50
    +3
    The fact that they appear on old (albeit modernized) tanks is sad and stupid. How they are going to compete with the Germans and Amers is unclear. Or amers stuck in 72ku?
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 16 December 2013 12: 05
      +1
      The NATO team was invited to compete with their equipment, i.e., at the Leopards, Abrams, Leclerc, etc. So at the end of the competition they talked on TV.
  9. Berserker
    Berserker 16 December 2013 12: 06
    +4
    I think that competing with foreigners is a great idea! Show yourself and others to see!
    1. alone
      alone 16 December 2013 21: 55
      0
      Only the crews would have guessed. It was interesting to watch the red tank when the military districts were competing. Everyone waited and waited for him to hit the target.
  10. Neighbor
    Neighbor 16 December 2013 12: 07
    0
    The minus from the "effective" manager is more expensive for me than the plus.
  11. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 16 December 2013 12: 15
    +2
    I honestly thought that NATO members will turn on the "back" and abandon the competition.
    But if they decided, I think it will be interesting to see.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 17 December 2013 03: 43
      0
      Quote: wanderer_032
      I honestly thought that NATO members will turn on the "back" and abandon the competition.


      And why, if not a secret?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2013 10: 11
      0
      Quote: wanderer_032
      I honestly thought that NATO members will turn on the "back" and abandon the competition.

      giving up is almost better than losing, it can all affect the sales of equipment
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2013 10: 11
      0
      Quote: wanderer_032
      I honestly thought that NATO members will turn on the "back" and abandon the competition.

      giving up is almost better than losing, it can all affect the sales of equipment
  12. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 16 December 2013 12: 57
    +3
    Quote: Ivan Petrovich
    that fuli biathlon ... let’s immediately tank fights without rules

    And what would be interesting with laser imitators or wooden discs
  13. user1212
    user1212 16 December 2013 13: 13
    +4
    I do not quite understand why the T72 was considered so old on the forum. T72 is available since 1973. Abrams since 1980. Both have a bunch of modifications. The latest T72 modification has been supplied to the troops since 2012. Abrams SEP2 since 2008. Not such a big gap
    It is not clear how Abrams will be able to participate in biathlon. It cannot be charged on the go as no automatic loader. And Americans do not usually risk manually loading a gun in motion.
    1. avg
      avg 16 December 2013 14: 59
      +3
      I do not quite understand why the T72 was considered so old on the forum.

      Because the global trend for the rapid development of the OMS fell precisely on the years of our degradation, and now the T-72B participating in the biathlon are clearly inferior to the best foreign tanks.
      1. user1212
        user1212 16 December 2013 19: 57
        +1
        That's exactly what the best EXHIBITION samples are. How many tanks of the latest SEP2 modification are in the US Army? 588 pieces. Another 2400 M1A1 (almost the same age as T72b) and 1963 M1A2 units. German tank of the latest modification Leopard 2A6 225 units in the army. Another 125 2A5 series. All the rest are 2A4 tanks of 84-86 model. We have more than 500 T90 tanks of all modifications (of which about 200 units are in storage), as of 2012. 4000 T-80BV and T-80U, of which 3000 are in storage, as of 2012. If we roughly equate the tanks by the year of production, then we get an approximate equality in the "modernity of tanks" in the troops. Another question is in what condition our tanks are and how they are maintained.
        It’s just me that the appearance of a tank at the exhibition is not equal to the instant modernization of the entire fleet of tanks until the last modification. In any army.
    2. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 16 December 2013 20: 01
      0
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc9Zn7b4o4c
      1. user1212
        user1212 16 December 2013 20: 10
        +2
        Here, by the way, an interesting article has already surfaced on the effectiveness of Soviet-Russian DZ in the opinion of Americans
        http://topwar.ru/23040-chto-dumayut-yanki-pro-russkie-tanki.html
  14. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 13: 18
    +3
    u need to be changed.
    when the Kazakh crew frankly left the race due to their own fault, and they stopped the stopwatch to replace the commander, and as a result they took 2nd place, to put it mildly, not sports
    1. Andy
      Andy 16 December 2013 13: 41
      +4
      I agree with the Belarusians (they really would have used the 2nd place, if not the 1st!) dishonestly acted to please the Kazakhs.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 14: 18
        +4
        generally anecdotal situation, they asked to stop shooting on the battlefield because, the commander of one of the tanks, due to the fault of a crew member, flew into the buoy with his own shell
        1. avg
          avg 16 December 2013 15: 08
          +1
          Correctly stopped. You probably forgot that safety measures first of all.
          Who knows what kind of injury he has. Now it seems normal, but after 5 minutes. - out.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: avg
            Correctly stopped. You probably forgot that safety measures first of all.

            Well, what is the correctness? !!!
            the injury was caused by the fault of the crew, if the loose part didn’t gasp on his head, then there are no questions, there is no fault on those who prepared the equipment. (although in this case the crew had to check the car), a crew member needs to be replaced, no problem, the stopwatch is spinning, change at least everyone
            1. avg
              avg 16 December 2013 16: 22
              +1
              the injury was caused by the fault of the crew, if he hadn’t gasped on his head, then there are no questions

              The correctness is that in any cases they provide first aid first, and only then they figure out who is right and who is to blame.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 16: 48
                0
                Quote: avg
                Correctness is

                sorry but this is a competition, and who is to blame there and did not have to understand
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                1. avg
                  avg 16 December 2013 17: 50
                  +2
                  Biathlon competitions will be at the Olympics. And what happens at the training ground is called “Shooting from the tank with a regular shot” and is organized and conducted according to the “Shooting Course”, where everything is scheduled, including Responsibilities of the “Senior Head of Firing”. According to these duties, he acted.
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                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 17: 54
                    0
                    Quote: avg
                    Biathlon competitions will be at the Olympics

                    Quote: avg
                    h Responsibilities of the “Senior Head of Firing”. According to these duties, he acted.

                    Well, to put it mildly, they’re wrong, besides, no one says that the injured should have been left in the tank, but since this “Shooting from the tank with a regular shot” had the form of international COMPETITIONS, and not military exercises, then ...
                    1. avg
                      avg 16 December 2013 18: 15
                      +1
                      Sorry, I tried to explain the situation to you, but you stubbornly do not want to understand that gross violation of the firing course entails criminal liability. You call what is happening now a "battlefield", now "international competitions", without citing any regulatory documents, because they simply do not exist. I am sure that if you had a chance to conduct shooting, then this dispute simply would not have happened. You would have learned “KS” and received such instruction that you would remember your responsibilities for life.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 19: 36
                        -3
                        Quote: avg
                        You call what is happening "battlefield"

                        I probably missed something, do not tell me where I called "what is happening" the battlefield ?? !!!
                        Quote: avg
                        I’m sure that if you had a chance to carry out firing, then this argument would simply not exist. You would learn “KS” and receive such instruction that you would remember your duties for life

                        you apparently are not breaking through like a tank, no one is saying that it was necessary to break something, the conversation is about the fact that it was impossible to turn off the stopwatch because the fault was completely on the carriage, if you do not remember the broadcast was carried out in including from the tank itself.
                      2. avg
                        avg 16 December 2013 19: 52
                        0
                        I probably missed something, do not tell me where I called "what is happening" the battlefield ?? !!!
                        I think re-reading your posts is not difficult for you. There it was written about the stop.
                        generally anecdotal situation, they asked to stop shooting on the battlefield because, the commander of one of the tanks, due to the fault of a crew member, flew into the buoy with his own shell

                        So, this is probably you, my friend, you’ll be from an armored train. hi
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                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 20: 00
                        0
                        Quote: avg
                        There it was written about the stop.

                        not only are you not breaking through. so also with an understanding of the problem, no one called the given situation the battlefield. read carefully what exactly I wrote
                      5. avg
                        avg 16 December 2013 22: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        ... this particular setting no one called the battlefield. read carefully what exactly I wrote


                        I repeat your post personally for you:

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        generally anecdotal situation on the battlefield they ask to stop shooting because, the commander of one of the tanks due to the fault of a crew member flew into a buoy with his own shell
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                      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 22: 38
                        -1
                        Once again, you distinguish an example from a real situation ?!
  15. IRBIS
    IRBIS 16 December 2013 18: 07
    +2
    Quote: avg
    Correctly stopped. You probably forgot that safety measures first of all.

    That's right - safety requirements, violation of which during shooting is "two balls" automatically, without trial.
    1. avg
      avg 16 December 2013 18: 19
      0
      This is not about evaluation, but about stopping the shooting. That's right. The shooting stops, analysis is carried out and the crew, in case of its guilt, gets two.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 19: 58
        0
        Quote: avg
        This is not about evaluation, but about stopping the shooting. That's right. The shooting stops, analysis is carried out and the crew, in case of its guilt, gets two

        it is a matter of evaluation and unfortunately, according to the results, the Kazakh crew was in second place, in fact, came last
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 16 December 2013 19: 44
    +1
    Not only flew in, but also crushed the hand of a breech.
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 16 December 2013 18: 36
    0
    I’ll add about the Kazakhs when I watched the biathlon on TV from the actions of the Kazakh crew was in shock.
    When loading shells into the tank, Mekhan nearly crushed the commander and gunner.
    In this regard, I immediately had a question, where did they get this "oddball" and how could they even send them to a competition where people defend the honor of their country?
    He only had to be disqualified for injuring the commander. what
  • sashka
    sashka 16 December 2013 13: 22
    +2
    In the past, anything and everywhere was breaking. And this is on a specially prepared technique. We’ll have to build a new tank in a single copy or two. And better than five. After all, we need spare ones.
    And the "guests" will not send conscripts on old equipment
  • Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 16 December 2013 13: 26
    +1
    The theme is good in that you can try everything new that is. Changed the module did not go, set another
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 16 December 2013 13: 28
    +2
    Competitions in tanks?
    Who is competing - crews or is it a tender for the purchase of armored vehicles?
    If the crews, then the tanks should be the same and prepared by the forces of the team.
    If it’s a tender, it’s aerobatics, but they don’t invite onlookers to such events, even for money ... request
  • Sochi
    Sochi 16 December 2013 13: 35
    +3
    watched biathlon ... not like it. Too monotonous, three circles on the same track. I wish there was a more real route from point A to point B with real ravines, bridges and fords, perhaps somewhere with artificial elements and more real targets (armored personnel carriers, tanks, etc.), shooting on the move, destroying the trench (machine gun nest, gunner , calculation ATGM), the destruction of an air target (air bunk on a leash) from an anti-aircraft machine gun, etc. What could be more real could correspond to the real conditions of the battle ... AAA !!! fantasize so much to the fullest - and drive 3-4 days along this route with the accrual of penalty points ... this was a sight to behold, and the crew’s skill in their coordination was visible . And then it turned out a shooting range with riding in a circle ... formalism or lack of imagination? Or just window dressing? - I do not know.
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 16 December 2013 13: 51
      +3
      You got excited. What you offer is more like a scenario of at least a BTU with b / s. At first I was indignant that the shooting was from the place, and then I remembered the shooting course. All crews should perform the exercise at once, safety am Everything that you suggest I like, but everything rests again on safety measures (I mean a long march and overcoming extreme barriers.
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 16 December 2013 14: 27
        +1
        I think that in our open spaces it is really possible to find and equip a track in compliance with safety standards. And the crews should be selected for such competitions in stages with increasing complications. Yes, such a track is for the pros, annuals will not pull this. Do they want a professional army? So you need to prepare such pros. Remember how the soldiers in the army shoot - from a hundred meters at a fixed target ... and "shoots" are such a target? Who teaches them to calculate the lead? Excess in the mountains? Where will the goldatik go? One hope is that with automatic fire and the whole platoon, the company will "plow" the target in the region, so that the ant will not remain alive there.
        And so yes, got excited ... But you want to.
        1. Andrew 447
          Andrew 447 16 December 2013 18: 34
          +2
          From a hundred meters on a fixed target, this is the initial exercise before the oath, even for tankers when firing from a machine gun targets at 300 meters are set.TrackYou can't make a ring track at the range large, on a small one you can catch a stray projectile from those who shoot later. That means you have to lay a route from the range to the range, and this is a very big cost. About the crews I agree "LEARN MILITARY AFFAIRS" VI Lenin ...
  • tnship2
    tnship2 16 December 2013 13: 45
    0
    Class. Still, and paintball guns, like in paintball, tank platoon battles, online broadcasts, and then they looked what came of it.
    1. jt_elven
      jt_elven 16 December 2013 16: 00
      +2
      in World of Tanks ???
  • alex-cn
    alex-cn 16 December 2013 14: 29
    0
    I already wrote once, but I repeat. The best way to fight!
    Always would be the only way!
  • Alex_T
    Alex_T 16 December 2013 14: 42
    +4
    It is not clear how the Centaur wheeled tanks are going to overcome the "vertical wall" obstacle.
    1. poquello
      poquello 16 December 2013 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: Alex_T
      It is not clear how the Centaur wheeled tanks are going to overcome the "vertical wall" obstacle.

      Everything is decided if desired, penalty points for example.
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    3. alone
      alone 16 December 2013 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: Alex_T
      It is not clear how the Centaur wheeled tanks are going to overcome the "vertical wall" obstacle.

      for the centaur will specially make a horizontal wall lol
  • NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 16 December 2013 16: 30
    +1
    On wheels only at a gallop across Europe, and across Russia only at geese and the wider the more reliable. We in Russia do not need wheels, we probably will not fight in the desert.
    1. poquello
      poquello 16 December 2013 19: 33
      +1
      Quote: NORILCHAN
      On wheels only at a gallop across Europe, and across Russia only at geese and the wider the more reliable. We in Russia do not need wheels, we probably will not fight in the desert.

      And technology will fight in the desert, we are not alone in our technology.
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  • Dr. Pilyulkin
    Dr. Pilyulkin 16 December 2013 17: 18
    +1
    Quote: cherkas.oe
    Quote: IRBIS
    my opinion - all this garbage on vegetable oil, someone's spectacular "deflection". Spectacular but totally useless!

    Thank you, otherwise I thought that it was just because of not professional thoughtlessness that I thought so, but it turns out that the tankers think so.


    Maybe garbage. Maybe in vegetable oil. But maybe someone from the guys who still do not understand what path in life to take, it will be interesting. My elder watches with pleasure. And I'm with him. I’m sitting and thinking, maybe a future tanker next to me on the couch. )))
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 16 December 2013 18: 53
    -2
    Quote: Pacifist
    Put a minus, but not because it is against it. Quite the opposite, with all limbs behind. It’s just bitter to watch how our guys perform not on the tanks of the latest modifications, but on the warehouse unadjusted trash.

    I completely agree! And especially the coloring. Well, who invented it? I would have painted my car in such colors. No, this is not even paint - it is an ordinary whitewash! Squalor! Where are the designers? It is necessary to show the style, to demonstrate the whole drive - something like HOT WHEELS, only RUSSIAN HOT CATERPILLARS!
  • Kotlin12
    Kotlin12 16 December 2013 19: 03
    +3
    1 question - when will tanks start firing shells from paint at each other
    2 question - when it will be possible to bet online
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 December 2013 20: 24
    +2
    I consider this a mischief, an advertising company in poor performance. It has nothing to do with combat training.
  • Megre
    Megre 16 December 2013 21: 53
    0
    In Syria, our T 72s burn like matches. Instead of providing the Syrians with protection, including active protection, we are engaged in some kind of ........ These grandmas would put an active defense (arena) on all tanks. And the Syrians would be helped. Clowns.
    1. Megre
      Megre 16 December 2013 22: 00
      +1
      Video in the topic. If our tanks in Syria are burned by bearded monkeys with grenade launchers, then what will happen if personnel armies come out against us. Will there be anything before biathlon? Combat training is called combat rather than circus clowning.
    2. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 16 December 2013 22: 48
      +3
      Quote: Megrae
      In Syria, our T 72s burn like matches. Instead of providing the Syrians with protection, including active protection, we are engaged in some kind of ........ These grandmas would put an active defense (arena) on all tanks. And the Syrians would be helped. Clowns.

      And they are burning from our own grenade launchers! The beard had an RPG-29 "vampire" in his hands! The most deadly! Development of 1988 in my year, in Afghanistan it was not. And it was not sold to anyone. Could get only in small batches to friends in the CIS! The question is - where did they get it from? The answer is from "friends" in the CIS !!!
      And shake on a mustache !!!
      And at the expense of help with equipment, and much more than that, for the Syrians, with all hands - FOR !!!
    3. user1212
      user1212 17 December 2013 04: 51
      +3
      Quote: Megrae
      In Syria, our T 72s burn like matches. Instead of providing the Syrians with protection, including active protection, we are engaged in some kind of ........ These grandmas would put an active defense (arena) on all tanks. And the Syrians would be helped. Clowns.

      In Iraq, the Abrams were destroyed from heavy machine guns. A hit from above into the rear of the hull caused a fire of the Armed Forces and led to the complete destruction of the tank. Abrams breaks aboard from RPG7 with shells removed from the armament of the USSR in the early 70s. The Syrians would not be Arena but Contact5 or Relic. And the ability to use tanks would also not hurt.

      Not like a match?
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 16 December 2013 23: 05
    +1
    Good afternoon!
    A tank biathlon is most likely necessary (to popularize the Army), such events have been held in Europe for a long time. Yes, and a simple layman (such as I would be interested - and even if some foreigners participated). ONE depressing, this is an outdated technique! At such events should ride T 90! That would be a big plus!
  • kelevra
    kelevra 16 December 2013 23: 06
    0
    A great way to hone training from tankers and show technique! Practice is the basis for a quick response in any situations! And there’s also a real chance for other countries to test their school in efficiency with other countries.
  • alert_timka
    alert_timka 16 December 2013 23: 14
    +1
    Foreigners will not be able to complete the entire range of exercises, for a simple reason, they do not have guided projectiles on tanks
    1. poquello
      poquello 16 December 2013 23: 28
      +2
      Quote: alert_timka
      Foreigners will not be able to complete the entire range of exercises, for a simple reason, they do not have guided projectiles on tanks

      It’s not a question, no - we accrue penalty points, and the division of results is necessary by specialization. Which team is better.
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 17 December 2013 04: 48
      +1
      Quote: alert_timka
      Foreigners will not be able to complete the entire range of exercises, for a simple reason, they do not have guided projectiles on tanks


      Wrong.

      "Foreign tank guided ammunition"

      http://topwar.ru/33754-zarubezhnye-tankovye-upravlyaemye-boepripasy.html#
  • Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 17 December 2013 05: 14
    +4
    [quote = IRBIS] [quote = Pacifist]
    all this garbage on vegetable oil, someone's spectacular "deflection". Spectacular, but absolutely useless! [/ Quote]


    Yes, another window dressing !! I think it would be better to have some regular exercises, not joint ones, but mine!
  • sapran
    sapran 17 December 2013 12: 43
    0
    To my great regret, friends called and said that the team had gone through to train the crew from Ukraine. (top of insanity)
    Why I think the participation of the team from Ukraine is superfluous in this competition I will try to explain briefly:
    1. This does not affect combat training directly in tank brigades and battalions in Ukraine (a slightly different program was adopted there in preparation for competitions for the best tank platoon and crew)
    2. The equipment that they want to send to the competition, it does not belong to MBT in the staff list of battalion brigades (is it well accepted but where is at least one battalion equipped with this type of tank?) And if so, this is least of all connected with advertising of the real situation affairs in ZSU.
    3. The program of the upcoming competitions has not been fully worked out and the most important thing is not agreed upon (here you will also be shot with a TOUR, and a target, and range.
    Let all the same people dot everything and only after that it will be possible to take part in this "show"