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21st century Russian self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV" will be the best in the world

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We have already written that in their time, starting work on their Kruseider self-propelled howitzer, the Americans threatened a whole revolution in artillery. But the widely publicized project was frozen. And now, it seems, radical updates in this area will come from our country. It is the Russian SAU "Coalition-SV" that will become a trendsetter for decades. The Messenger of Mordovia talks about this instrument and about artillery in general with a leading Russian expert in the field of ground weapons, the chief editor of the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, Viktor Murakhovsky.


21st century Russian self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV" will be the best in the world

-Viktor Ivanovich, now 2CXNNXXX19 is entering the army. Your opinion about this ACS?

- SAU is good, due to the automated guidance and fire control system (ASUNO) its potential technical capabilities are fully realized. But it is necessary to make a new SAU, because in the previous layout there are fundamental flaws that reduce effectiveness in combat conditions.

- Are you talking about the "Coalition"? And how will it be different from Msta? What is fundamentally new in it?


- Basically - uninhabited BO, automatic loading, automatic guidance.

- Some people compare the “Coalition” with the American “Krusader”, in fact, they are very similar? Much in common in the concept?

- The concept is similar, the implementation is different. We have some things done differently and more efficiently.

- At one time they wrote about the development of GLONASS-guided projectiles in our country, do you think that such ammunition will find its place in our artillery?

- Required. We work out (pass tests) different types of ammunition, correction systems and guidance. This includes an autonomous satellite-guidance correction module installed on conventional ammunition instead of a head fuze, a satellite plus radio-ballistic combined module, self-guided munitions according to a target signature, etc.

- How important is the firing range in modern conditions?

- The firing range is not an end in itself. It is important to have a range of actual firing sufficient to solve problems in all types of combat. For brigade-level artillery, it's 25-30 km. That is, taking into account the removal of firing positions from the front edge, the SAU must fire at 40-45 km.

- What do you think about the wheeled version of the “Coalition”, that this is a tribute to fashion or necessity?


- The wheel option is preferable for some regions - with a developed road network or with accessible terrain. For example, in the Central Asian strategic direction.

- Viktor Ivanovich, we still have a lot of towed guns in service, so it turns out that they need to be replaced with self-propelled ones?

- Not everywhere. In heavy and medium brigades, self-propelled guns are necessary, while in specialized brigades (mountain, assault, reconnaissance, etc.), towed guns are more convenient.
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde 10 December 2013 13: 20
    49
    It is the Russian self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV" that will become the trendsetter for decades don't say gop until you jump over (Russian proverb)
    1. Nick
      Nick 10 December 2013 19: 19
      +8
      Quote: avant-garde
      don't say gop until you jump over (Russian proverb)

      Just a forecast, based on the available data ... wink
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 11 December 2013 08: 13
      +1
      Hi, Perfectly fine, a real informational message, It’s advisable for some Foreign Ministry workers to adopt, To say a lot about everything and with a calm soul, you can work, You can shovel everything as much as you like, everything is written with brilliance about the new system, Only there is a statement from the MSTA designers should hit about 70km, as far as I know this is a real goal and here the fellows don’t take anything closely what is written about the range, Asian tigers even talk about this range and some people already have Japan and Korea is working hard on its beast, In general, one amazing thing is planned detail, the Yankees are selling with might and main a multiple launch rocket system that already uses guided missiles each strictly for a single target and the range also has a gradation of 20-40-100 km, only the cost is sensitive, This system also goes to the US Marine Corps, the Yankees have been tormenting this range Self-propelled guns because they already have a marine analogue Here are beautiful landmarks
    3. avg
      avg 11 December 2013 10: 47
      0
      Quote: avant-garde
      It is the Russian self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV" that will become the trendsetter for decades don't say gop until you jump over (Russian proverb)

      I read the article yesterday and for two days it is an eyesore to me. Today I could not stand it, well, I think now I will write to them, and you already said everything. And politely. Thank! yes
  2. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 10 December 2013 13: 22
    23
    At the exercises held in September, modern Russian military equipment was developed, developed and put into service.
    For half an hour the battle was fought in automatic mode, in the conditions of active interference counteraction.
    Unmanned aerial vehicles detected targets, gave target designations, self-propelled guns advanced to positions, fired, anti-aircraft missiles worked at targets.
    Almost without human intervention. Those. and control of the troops was carried out by a computer in automatic mode. good
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 10 December 2013 13: 35
      +4
      And where is the info about it? where can I read or see?
      1. Encoder
        Encoder 10 December 2013 14: 34
        +4
        There was a little news story. Unfortunately I do not remember when.
      2. Civil
        Civil 10 December 2013 15: 15
        +3
        They will show in hardware, and we'll see :-)
      3. Cherdak
        Cherdak 10 December 2013 21: 54
        +1
        [media = http: //my.mail.ru/video/mail/mo-shin/40/210.html]

        And where are the promised two trunks located one above the other?

        Saved, damn it?
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 11 December 2013 01: 53
          12
          Quote: Cherdak
          And where are the promised two trunks located one above the other?

          Saved, damn it?

          Do not be discouraged. Trunks went to the modernization of the T-90. bully
      4. Cherdak
        Cherdak 10 December 2013 21: 58
        +1
        Quote: ytqnhfk
        where can I read or see?


        Who would have suggested that they thought of making this beauty
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    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 December 2013 13: 40
      11
      major intonations began to alarm, let's wait ... otherwise they will again show Medvedev alone and that’s all ...
    3. IRBIS
      IRBIS 10 December 2013 14: 05
      +7
      Quote: Ivan Pomidorov
      Almost without human intervention.

      I know this man...
      Quote: Ivan Pomidorov
      Those. and the troops were controlled by a computer in automatic mode.

      We have been in the army for a long time in an "automatic" mode. And without a computer. Personally, only money is received at ATMs ...
    4. Rustam
      Rustam 10 December 2013 14: 25
      10
      Ivan Pomidorov was presented at the meeting modern Russian military equipment, developed and put into service.


      1-What technique and where was it? specifically you can find out what


      2- To expert Viktor Murakhovsky - you are a good gentleman, do not use phrases the best in the world and no analogues-We have recently been loving to say this and to promote ourselves beloved-Only at the exit, something does not work

      yes about the Coalition which wasn’t exactly on the Kamaz chassis — that’s when to appear (if it appears winked , pass the test, then we will talk.

      ps-how do we like phrases — unparalleled, a breakthrough, the best in the world (in which world? in my own world) I’m just fucking crazy
      1. Encoder
        Encoder 10 December 2013 14: 39
        19
        quote - ps - how do we like phrases - unparalleled, a breakthrough, the best in the world (in which world? in my own little world) I just go crazy

        Yes, these are not our phrases. Are you watching something about foreign developments, and there for some reason these phrases do not bother you? Ours, oh how far to them, ours are still embarrassed, they are recklessly PR and lying.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 10 December 2013 15: 01
          +8
          Coder something watch and there you are for some reason these phrases do not bother?



          I don’t know your name, I will contact you by nickname

          colleague Coder confuses me a lot, many know my position, I will repeat for you

          -Russian armyit’s not a garbage can in which, at unbelievable prices, you can supply junk - saying that it’s modern and technological

          - you start to poke, mumble well, you understand (not about everyone, there are a lot of those who create joint ventures or invest and go forward themselves) and work, try to compete, look at Western competitors, but do not PR for your beloved ones and poor products ( well, it would be cheap) making salaries of 500 or more per month, and hard workers (we don’t take Moscow) are paid 8 thousand, there are such

          - let's go back to the Western models, they are also promoting but already finished products — but what are they talking about the Coalition on the Kamaz chassis — which is not there and may not be — then why say that it will be unparalleled (tested with zap samples) where the product - in Tagil it was not

          cramped together they recklessly PR and lie.


          not at the expense of lying, and they both use custom articles and so on
          but we are talking all the same about our army and about deliveries to it of a darling, really modern equipment

          yes, they’re lying about it (here’s an example) our Mistral was doused with mud for two years and that they just didn’t invent it -then dear people blushing refutedThe result is where the clowns with USC who told us tales of 10 frigates 22350 and 20 corvettes 22380-82 by 2020 (and everyone believed them and said that it was cool)
          where the result is already native for 8 years (and there’s no need to talk about allies), a shmon went to the NE near to fraud with the state defense order - at a price it already bypassed the UDCs that are being built in France for us (4000 tons and 21000 tons) soon to get to Franzysim 6000-ton Fremma-even if it goes into testing, how many years will all systems bring to the desired state?

          -Where Mistral forgive our UDC Vladivostok-launched and completed in record time and people already understand that this is the most modern ship in record time.

          PS- I’m used to praise those whose products are manufactured and modern, and not to publicize something that no one has ever seen before, that's how we will appear then and we will talk.
          1. Armata
            Armata 10 December 2013 15: 11
            14
            Hi rustam. Msta-S is a great car. Kaolitsiya is just a combat complex. Armata was made under Kaolitsy. Then they stuck a double-barreled shotgun on it, it didn’t. Now, intensive work is underway to adapt the complex to Armata. By the way, and now I'm in Tagil.
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 10 December 2013 15: 19
              +2
              Mechanic SU Today,
              Hi rustam. Msta-S is a great car



              hi buddy, yes I'm talking about what you don’t need to publicize something that no one has seen (except for a narrow circle of people) and especially talk about having no analogues in the world

              this is what I wanted to say — show me, go through the tests — compare with zap samples according to the TTX, set up the assembly, give an acceptable price lower than the western one and forward — I’m against

              Sorry, but when in 2007 one ghoul declared to us, buy everything anyway and at the price that we will set you up (here after that my worldview has changed) Serdyukov was not there yet
              1. Sergh
                Sergh 10 December 2013 15: 58
                +7
                Quote: Mechanic
                Kaolitsiya just a combat complex

                Hi Eugene!
                There was, it was about the double-barreled "Coalition SV", so right now it was simply cut off as unnecessary and high cost and did the right thing. And who is too incredibly distrustful and Thomas the unbeliever, then I show:

                1. Kars
                  Kars 10 December 2013 16: 03
                  12
                  Is it nothing that the tower is welded to the hull? Is it not visible in the video that dual charging works?
                  1. postman
                    postman 10 December 2013 16: 57
                    +5
                    Quote: Kars
                    But nothing that the tower is welded to the hull?

                    killed, killed on the spot
                    1. Sergh
                      Sergh 10 December 2013 17: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: Kars
                      But nothing that the tower is welded to the hull?

                      Uncle Vasya the welder, came on Monday from a hangover, mixed up the rail with the tower, and that’s the result! Although it happened to him and worse.
                      Kars, I wanted something from me, don’t you understand? I was not there, if Che.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 10 December 2013 18: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Sergh
                        Uncle Vasya the welder, came on Monday from a hangover, mixed up the rail with the tower, and that’s the result!

                        How do you respond to people forging the sword of the Russian Federation
                        Quote: Sergh
                        I was not there, if Che.

                        Quote: Sergh
                        And who is very distrustful and Thomas is an unbeliever, I show:

                        see what you show.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 16: 18
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              . By the way, I’m now in Tagil.

              Eugene, take a photo-photo wink
              1. Armata
                Armata 11 December 2013 09: 00
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Eugene, take a photo-photo
                Maybe you also have the key to the engineer’s apartment?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 09: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  Maybe you also have the key to the engineer’s apartment?

                  And what do you take laughing
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 10 December 2013 17: 14
        +3
        Quote: Rustam
        how do we like phrases that have no analogues, a breakthrough, the best in the world

        Yes, you’re right about this, no one will praise yourself .. but about the howitzer, nothing is said about the prospects of using electromagnetic acceleration of the projectile .. now these developments are already underway, and in the coming years there will probably be valid samples that cross out weapons on old physical principles .. I think it’s necessary to lay the possibility of such modernization in the artillery being developed ..
      3. Sibiriya
        Sibiriya 11 December 2013 03: 29
        +1
        Replace the word best - with the corresponding requirements. Since all the equipment is done according to the technical specifications drawn up by anyone knows (God forbid that the frames are not transferred). I don’t remember the case that our equipment was inferior to analogues and has one which still has no analogues. If everything would have been bad for a long time, they tore us up like a heating pad, but we are alive however ...
      4. dmitrich
        dmitrich 11 December 2013 05: 05
        0
        you ask the author of the article these questions.
    5. mirag2
      mirag2 10 December 2013 14: 54
      0
      It's true?
    6. smel
      smel 10 December 2013 14: 59
      +3
      I had seen enough of them like probably no one else. Sorry, Tomatoes, I don't believe it. If there is, then a reference please. And who fulfilled this fantasy I’m very, very surname and by name I know
      By the way, the author is also raving about mountain brigades and towed artillery ... Let him remember the 291th motorized rifle regiment 42 the motorized rifle division in the mountains near Borzoi. There was a towed "Nona" 2B14. We washed ourselves ... until they made changes to the staff and took 2c1 in the 74th brigade ... As they say, teach materiel
    7. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 10 December 2013 16: 36
      0
      Quote: Ivan Pomidorov
      in conditions of active interference counteraction.

      What jammed it? By our devices?
      Quote: Ivan Pomidorov
      Those. and the troops were controlled by a computer in automatic mode.

      Oh, what good fellows we are. Everything at our height
  3. smel
    smel 10 December 2013 13: 23
    +9
    It would be more interesting to listen to the battery or battalion commander with 2s19 with ASUNO. How does he evaluate the current modification and see the prospects
    1. Basilevs
      Basilevs 10 December 2013 22: 33
      +2
      There is a desire? You can talk. I finished my service in the early 2000s, the first modification I know, like the back of my hand; 2s19M1 I have been studying work on my own for a long time, so if it’s interesting ...
      1. smel
        smel 11 December 2013 12: 22
        +1
        I ended up at 2011. And I saw a lot of such knowledgeable people. So just name the organization where you had to master this miracle of technology. And at the same time you can tell where and who used it at least at 10% of the declared capabilities.
        1. Basilevs
          Basilevs 11 December 2013 22: 29
          +1
          I’ll start with the question of what kind of miracle of technology we are talking about. If the one that I mastered since 1993, where I fought in the 1st and 2nd Chechen campaigns, which I repaired, rebuilt and fired from, just as I stated in my comments, then this is the very first modification. I had to master this MIRACLE of TECHNOLOGY in the N-th self-propelled artillery regiment in a position from the platoon commander to the chief of staff of the division. And I can tell you that I personally shot the first shot in the district in 1994, I personally detected the rate of fire at the rate indicated by me, I personally once noticed the time from pressing the data transfer button on 518 equipment to the shot - 9 seconds. And he personally communicated with the breeders in 94 and 95 with his proposals, and even saw one of them in iron by car. And 2S19M1 differs from mine only in terms of coordinator, more precisely, as a stopper; and ASUNO with GLONASS. And here it’s not a damn thing even used on
          Quote: smel
          at least 10% of declared capabilities
          , because they are used by such KNOWLEDGE, whom you SEE MANY. I do not need to rank them, especially with such an aplomb. I am responsible for my words.
          1. Basilevs
            Basilevs 11 December 2013 23: 18
            +1
            In addition to the foregoing,
            Quote: Basilevs
            2s19M1 I have been studying work on my own for quite a long time,
            in the remains of that same N-th regiment. Due to the lack of a control complex and the desire to study the materiel, data transfer and aiming are done in the good old oral - visual way. I personally tested and tested the ASUNO, it works great, although it’s not very convenient to use. The only drawback is that they did not put an ABS on the gun. And there will be at least some prospect if this technique is used as it should, rather than standing on the training ground. So, I can’t say anything about the prospects.
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            2. Basilevs
              Basilevs 11 December 2013 23: 37
              +1
              One of the early versions of the modernized 2C19 is somewhere around 1999-2000. ABS is visible above the POU.
            3. smel
              smel 12 December 2013 06: 19
              +1
              I do not need to rank them among them, all the more, with such an aplomb. I am responsible for my words.
              In this case, it was 99 glanders at the time when it was commanded by Hero of Russia Korolkov Arkady. After the events you mentioned, which were carried out with the direct participation and control of the breeders (the division didn’t work completely and not higher than accuracy, but the nearby doctor without ASUNO worked faster and more accurately) nobody ever did such things, and even more so independently did not create. The exception is the 385-I abr (4-th division) in the 2008-2009-th year in the PUrVO. Of the large number of d-nov (not to be mentioned here), zilch worked.
              Well, on the issue of working in various conditions in the first and second call. It’s not for me to tell you what happened and how. Even this glander did not use ASUNO. 2с19 broke and failed in batches despite the fact that they worked with almost the same OP. In the 99, the situation was better, but the 292 replaced the equipment almost every month. 944-th glide similarly. As a result, these last two organizations switched to 2с3м. So if I drove all of you in those difficult times, then I have no less information and analysis on the issue of military use, losses of military hardware and military equipment, and losses of military / industrial forces than you do. And my first post is that the nonsense of the developer and the ideological mastermind is not interesting. And the opinion of those officers who operate the equipment is interesting, - this is what concerns with respect
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    2. papuasimus
      papuasimus 11 December 2013 17: 03
      0
      I agree to all 100% or more.
      Pvoshniki already conducted firing staff. Regular! Not selected testers. The result of the staff was not much worse than in the control firing.
  4. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 10 December 2013 13: 39
    +7
    Article minus plainly nothing is written and the unsubscribe is not said somehow!
  5. Corsair
    Corsair 10 December 2013 13: 41
    +6
    Quote from the article:
    Different types of ammunition, correction and guidance systems are being tested (tested). Including - an autonomous satellite guidance correction module installed on conventional ammunition instead of a head fuse, a combined satellite module plus radio-ballistic, ammunition with homing according to the target signature, etc.


    How many all sorts of "goodies", as much as salivation flowed! If everything is realized in metal, as one thinks, indeed we will become LEGISLATORS for someone, in the most literal sense.
    1. VADEL
      VADEL 10 December 2013 14: 29
      +1
      I hope YOU don’t want this "yummy" to come to your table. smile hi
    2. Professor
      Professor 10 December 2013 16: 53
      +5
      Quote: Corsair
      How many all sorts of "goodies", as much as salivation flowed! If everything is realized in metal, as one thinks, indeed we will become LEGISLATORS for someone, in the most literal sense.

      Here others have come up and implemented.

      http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/atks-pgk-turning-shells-into-precision-artil

      lery-07430 /


      http://defensetech.org/2013/05/10/army-ships-precision-guidance-kits-to-artiller

      y-units-in-afghanistan /


      http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/article-cheaper-gps-shells-113665766.html
      1. oblako
        oblako 10 December 2013 18: 36
        +1
        Well embodied, but "someone who" has something to do with it?)
      2. oblako
        oblako 10 December 2013 18: 36
        -1
        Well embodied, but "someone who" has something to do with it?)
  6. Sirs
    Sirs 10 December 2013 13: 52
    +3
    She will not be the best, but one of the best, and that's for sure.
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 10 December 2013 14: 44
      +2
      Let's hope that not one, but many of them will be. :-)
      1. Sirs
        Sirs 11 December 2013 02: 44
        0
        ))) Of course, there will be a lot of it both with us and our trading partners, I hope that TTX partners will be more modest than for their own army.
  7. mountain
    mountain 10 December 2013 13: 56
    +3
    The Russian self-propelled gun of the XXI century "Coalition-SV" will be the best in the world.
    If they wrote the best, then the best, but who doubts?
    1. Armata
      Armata 10 December 2013 14: 58
      +6
      I doubt. As an engineer I can say, everything is compared in a field test, and so is a chatter. Given that they put 1 on a promising platform, is that immediately the best?
  8. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 10 December 2013 13: 59
    +4
    It looks, of course, a gorgeous "toy". No doubt that it will still be "that" self-propelled gun.
  9. VADEL
    VADEL 10 December 2013 14: 38
    +1
    - Some people compare the “Coalition” with the American “Krusader”, in fact, they are very similar? Much in common in the concept?

    - The concept is similar, the implementation is different. We have some things done differently and more efficiently.

    I wonder what kind of "bolt" they twisted in there for as many decades ahead what God grant if so!
  10. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 10 December 2013 14: 40
    +4
    The question immediately arises: how many will be with us and when?
    And this is so for comparison, just interesting
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 10 December 2013 15: 21
      +4
      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      And this is so for comparison, just interesting

      The Fritzes are handsome - they made the "THING" and are having a rest, but we have some incomprehensible "experts" who scribble about incomprehensible articles about what kind of "super - duper" self-propelled gun we can do someday, the projectors are fucking. enough.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 10 December 2013 17: 07
      +2
      The rate of fire and accuracy are amazing. One battery can provide such a density that mom, do not worry. In our aircraft, these self-propelled guns are not enough.
  11. Encoder
    Encoder 10 December 2013 14: 42
    +5
    Kutsay article. But if you rummage then Old can be found. In general, it is still too early to write MSTA in the worst.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 10 December 2013 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: Coder
      . In general, it is still too early to write MSTA in the worst.

      She only shoots at a distance two times smaller than German or Swedish self-propelled guns, all that’s business. sad
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 10 December 2013 16: 00
        +3
        Cons, of course, from patriotic motives can be set, it’s a shame for the state itself, only the MSTA will not, further and more accurately, shoot it to my great regret.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 10 December 2013 16: 19
          +9
          Further she shoots only with the help of a perniciously expensive excalibur. Which is essentially a missile and a very small number of warheads. The NATO members took advantage of it, looked at the results and wept so that not all the gold that glitters.
          1. typhoon7
            typhoon7 10 December 2013 18: 44
            +2
            For some reason I can’t believe that the MSTA hits such a miserable distance. In the 80s we hit at such distances that the German is resting. Perhaps it was such an ammunition I don’t know, but since there is still no information about this, I will continue to believe that I dreamed about all this.
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 10 December 2013 18: 50
              +2
              Oh, you disclose secrets. Just like a little one, my mother in her childhood did not say that decent boys did not divulge state secrets in intents, eh? Here I also have a lot of interesting things to tell, but I keep myself in control.
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            3. Basilevs
              Basilevs 10 December 2013 22: 42
              +1
              Believe it better. The usual OFS on a long-range charge is 24700. But in terms of rate of fire - a series of 10 shells can really fire a 5 second shot. It’s already more difficult - the loading mechanism will not allow, the sleeve will not have time, and the supply of charges in the lodgement on the left side is limited.
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  12. Flibustiero
    Flibustiero 10 December 2013 14: 49
    0
    Not bad at all! I like :)
  13. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 10 December 2013 15: 06
    +1
    Quote: Rustam
    1-What technique and where was it? specifically you can find out


    I apologize, this exhibition was in Nizhny Tagil.
    "Russian Arm Expo - 2013" http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124050053048051053.html
    There was a display of modern Russian technology in action.
    Including self-propelled guns and artillery fire control systems.
  14. runway
    runway 10 December 2013 16: 13
    +4
    Indeed, we have been hearing about the "Coalition" for a long time, but the fact that "MSTA" "has exhausted its reserve of capabilities ..." is something new. It is clear that artillery, like any living organism, must develop continuously.
    TTZ for a promising ACS, its line-up, have long been determined taking into account the latest achievements of our "partners". But questions - even to the promising ACS remain. Why does the "specialist" Murakhovsky claim that all the problems have already been solved? At least it’s very strange to hear about this, even from the editor-in-chief of Arsenal Otechestvo.
    1. Armata
      Armata 10 December 2013 16: 44
      +6
      Quote: piston
      At least it’s very strange to hear about this, even from the editor-in-chief of Arsenal Otechestvo.
      Just because he is just a journalist. And who will accept the work for a glossy U-turn without a sensation?
  15. me
    me 10 December 2013 16: 17
    +2
    Forgot to add the phrase "has no analogues"
  16. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 10 December 2013 16: 50
    +2
    Is not a fact. From the beginning it is necessary to test the normal
  17. yan
    yan 10 December 2013 16: 57
    +2
    A wheeled version is preferable for some regions - with a developed road network or with accessible terrain. For example, in the Central Asian strategic direction.
    or in European countries, there is also good coverage .... by the road
  18. pv1005
    pv1005 10 December 2013 16: 58
    +2
    Let it be the best, but not according to the principle "Russian trains are the most trainable trains in the world" and "Russian tablets are the largest tablets in the world." And so for the theses brought to life with hands and feet FOR.
  19. alexpro66
    alexpro66 10 December 2013 16: 59
    +5
    Quote: Mechanic
    Hi rustam. Msta-S is a great car. Kaolitsiya is just a combat complex. Armata was made under Kaolitsy. Then they stuck a double-barreled shotgun on it, it didn’t. Now, intensive work is underway to adapt the complex to Armata. By the way, and now I'm in Tagil.

    What is this new .... ??)) The Armata code is a heavy platform - it meant initially the creation of UNIFIED heavy chassis on its basis and certainly this platform was not created, neither at first nor at the end, only for the Coalition (these are just your next fantasies ) and besides, the development of the Coalition began 15 years earlier than the Armata, when they were already working with might and main on 195, just its lightweight and slightly lengthened chassis was planned for the Coalition. And most importantly, the double-barreled gun was "stuck" not "later" - the Coalition was originally developed with a double-barreled (its main feature was an automatic system for loading two barrels), but then it became a single-barreled and the double-barreled gun was called SV TO drooling ..) You are our expert ...
    1. Armata
      Armata 10 December 2013 17: 34
      +2
      Well read on on sites. Tell me in which year it became a unified platform, and in what year, and on the basis of what facilities it was started to be developed. Well, and still a good stone for the all-knowing, on what territory are the 4 samples and 5 made?
      1. alexpro66
        alexpro66 10 December 2013 17: 54
        +5
        There is no limit to your conjectures !!! You seem to be unable to read? The Armata code was assigned immediately for the development of the platform of the heavy chassis family and not for the chassis of the Coalition self-propelled guns. Read above there everything is written intelligibly and plus look through my posts, I gave a photo of a model of the Army Coalition on chassis 195 .. And if your speculations are based on knowledge gleaned from the Internet, do not blame others for it. And logically, your conjecture is understandable - Armata is the successor of 195 - that means Armata was created for the coalition - just as always, you hear the bell just don't know where it is)) And about the "samples" - well, enlighten the forum in your hands)) One of your statements about the shooting The coalition (and at the exhibition there was only a model, not even a model-model !!!))) and the photos you have at the exhibition in Tagil are not just a stone, it is a mountain that fell on a liar.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 10 December 2013 19: 39
          +2
          Alexpro request personally from me appear more often on the site. Personally for me it is extremely interesting to read you.
          Regards in advance.
          1. yan
            yan 12 December 2013 11: 13
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            You have a wonderful userpic hi
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  20. iulai
    iulai 10 December 2013 17: 04
    +2
    About 5 years ago, I saw a Swedish self-propelled gun on the REN program "Military Secret", one on one with "Kaolitsia". The crew, the driver and the operator, without leaving the cockpit, hit a target 40 kilometers away, an old passenger car served as the target. It took them 3 minutes from march to deployment and firing. So to say that "kaolitsiya" is the best is debatable
  21. воронов
    воронов 10 December 2013 17: 51
    +3
    Wait and see
  22. bubla5
    bubla5 10 December 2013 18: 07
    0
    satellite guidance correction module, mounted on conventional ammunition instead of a head fuse, combined satellite plus radio-ballistic module, ammunition with homing according to the target’s signature, etc., and even 45 km. With such performance characteristics and special forces there will be less work, received data about the militants and one salvo, the problem is solved, it only seems to be from the realm of fiction so far
  23. HAM
    HAM 10 December 2013 18: 42
    +3
    It will be, it will be, when it is already: it has become, it is.
  24. APASUS
    APASUS 10 December 2013 19: 34
    +1
    The second half of the article should have been devoted to new types of guided ammunition, so that everything would be logical. And then the car seems to be there, but the ammunition in another series?
  25. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 10 December 2013 19: 37
    +4
    All this talk about concepts and "outstanding" results of artillery or aircraft development is like a child's war game. Well, it’s impossible to seriously talk about closed topics, on Internet sites, then not going to jail for divulging state secrets. So the talk is about "nothing". We draw conclusions.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 10 December 2013 22: 11
      +1
      So about that speech. The whole joke is that at least until the first samples in all and the first teachings, we do not recognize a damn thing. But in reality, only war will put everything in its place and how weapons will be bought, which is basically the same thing.
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  26. runway
    runway 10 December 2013 20: 46
    +6
    Do not believe advertising!
    Having familiarized myself with the enthusiastic comments about the modern artillery systems of German and Swedish production, I allow myself to intercede for the native army.
    Despite the fact that the German "Donar" and the Swedish "Archer" are really good SPGs, their capabilities are clearly exaggerated. For example, the statement of the same "specialist" Marakhovsky, who claims that a direct hit is necessary to disable the PzH 2000! I would like to clarify right away: What caliber shell? Where were these tests carried out?
    I had to take part in comparative competitions of artillery units of various countries. And I must say that the result of the accomplishment of the assigned artillery task depends on the coordinated actions of the reconnaissance and firing units, the willingness of the commanders to carry out any tasks without using a computer, and the calculations - in the event of failure of the automation. The more electronics and automation in the complex, the higher the probability of their failure at the most inopportune moment. And then what will these two cranks do in the cockpit of a modern self-propelled gun packed with electronics?
    Our MCTA is being upgraded. Her opportunities are increasing. With proper operation and maintenance, it is not inferior to the most modern foreign models.
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 11 December 2013 02: 51
      0
      I had a foreman at the facility, an artilleryman, so he counted 5-digit numbers in his mind in 2-3 seconds! The habit remained from the hell he said they taught so he didn’t manage to calculate the enemy’s coordinates during this time you were killed! I was stunned how accurately and at what speed he multiplied in the mind!
  27. kruplen
    kruplen 10 December 2013 21: 04
    +3
    Article by nothing !!! I thought well, here's the news on technology, they will talk about those. news .. and then hesitated with these Maidan and watered. opinions, but here is the best and that's it ..
  28. voliador
    voliador 10 December 2013 22: 00
    0
    Now, if the state passes. tests, then there will be something to talk about.
  29. understudy
    understudy 10 December 2013 22: 08
    0
    Personally, I am already shaking from all these numerous plans with enthusiastic words about what "will", "will" ...
    "THERE IS!", Then we'll talk.
  30. alexpro66
    alexpro66 10 December 2013 22: 26
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexpro request personally from me appear more often on the site. Personally for me it is extremely interesting to read you.
    Regards in advance.

    I would love to have a story to tell, right now there are factory tests with representatives of the Ministry of Defense, but there is such a narrow circle of admitted persons that they will immediately calculate me .. I can say one thing. Two BM are completely ready, one is installed on the first chassis, so far everything is "satisfactory")) .. ...
  31. psiho117
    psiho117 10 December 2013 23: 48
    +2
    Quote: piston
    Do not believe advertising!
    Having familiarized myself with the enthusiastic comments about the modern artillery systems of German and Swedish production, I allow myself to intercede for the native army.
    Despite the fact that the German Donar and the Swedish Archer are really good SPGs, their capabilities are clearly exaggerated. ... And I must say that the result of completing the assigned task of artillery depends on the coordinated actions of reconnaissance and fire units, the readiness of commanders to perform any tasks without using a computer, and calculations - in conditions of failure of automation. The more electronics and automation in the complex, the higher the probability of their failure at the most inopportune moment. And then what will these two eccentrics do in the cockpit of a modern self-propelled gun, stuffed with electronics?

    Exactly. A howitzer that does not have the ability to fire with manual loading and guidance is not viable. All these robo-cannon projects aim to either drank the dough for the development of defense orders (America, Europe), or to show off "I don't know what for, but we can do that too" (Russia).
    Although the German gun is really very good - in the conditions of the traditional West lag in the MLRS area, it is designed to provide a similar salvo density and deployment speed.
    What successfully and copes.
    I don’t know if our designers need to chase after its characteristics, if Grad and Hurricane occupy this niche in our country.
  32. psiho117
    psiho117 11 December 2013 00: 20
    0
    By the way, all these corrective GPS-gadgets can be successfully installed on NURs to our MLRS, and what is important - they will not need to withstand crazy overloads like an art projectile, believe the rocket starts much more "softer", which means the cost of electronics will significantly decrease ...
    I understand that Zabugorye, apart from MLRS-a, simply does not have anything salvo, so they stress on the modernization / development of howitzers and ammunition for them, but we are traditionally strong in this industry, so why there is no information about the development of guided missiles for the Grad, Hurricane, Tornado, TOS-1A? It seems that how the missiles were "tweaked" to the Tornado, and that's it, the groundwork for modernization has been exhausted.
    1. SergeySK
      SergeySK 11 December 2013 04: 53
      0
      And why let me ask TOS-1A guided missiles ?? He has a maximum range of 6 km! And the main task is to work on the areas!
  33. Apologet insane
    Apologet insane 11 December 2013 05: 32
    0
    Oh, it reminds me of the recently released Russian killer iPhone. IPhone killed - Siri ripped the speaker from laughter.
  34. psiho117
    psiho117 11 December 2013 05: 36
    0
    Not at all. Let me remind you that the niche of this system is not firing at squares (for this there is Grad, Tornado and Hurricane, against their background TOC with its kutsa firing range does not look), but support for infantry and armored formations.
    For this, a more accurate ammunition is required - if you shoot close and have a thermobaric badabum that can demolish a house, then be kind, shoot accurately.
    1. SergeySK
      SergeySK 11 December 2013 06: 18
      +2
      TOC was originally created as a means for burning areas with chemical or bacteriological infection i.e. where the enemy does not smell! It was in service with the chemical forces!

      The fact that now they are trying to adapt it to defeat manpower and other things can only be said in the light of its performance characteristics and initial purpose!

      At the moment, a new version of TOC with an extended-range missile is being developed, here you can wait for both corrected and controlled, and so on!

      Hang on a current rocket that was considered not rational!

      I repeat TOC was originally created not as a battlefield machine but as a chemical and bacteriological infection control machine AREA ! ! !
      1. plohoy
        plohoy 11 December 2013 12: 39
        -1
        - zhi, shi - write with the letter "i";
        - cha, schA - write with the letter "a".
        hi
        1. SergeySK
          SergeySK 11 December 2013 21: 56
          0
          Sorry for my illiterate essay, I guess I’m not gonna grunt too.
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  35. Alexis56
    Alexis56 11 December 2013 23: 50
    0
    God forbid, not the last. am